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Pitching matchups in Boston

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 19, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
LHP Andy Pettitte (7-6, 4.39)
vs.
LHP Felix Doubront (6-3, 3.91)
7:10 p.m., YES Network and MLB Network

Saturday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (8-6, 2.65)
vs.
RHP John Lackey (7-6, 2.78)
4:05 p.m. FOX

Sunday
LHP CC Sabathia (9-8, 4.07)
vs.
LHP Jon Lester (8-6, 4.58)
8:05 p.m., ESPN

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282 Responses to “Pitching matchups in Boston”

  1. Chip July 19th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    They’ll probably put CoJo on the 60 day DL since he’s done for the year to free up the roster spot for Lillibridge.

  2. Shame Spencer July 19th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Tough matchups. We’ve had up and down success on both Lackey and Lester. Have to hope we can take the game tonight to try to split the next two. I think Kuroda will be more than up to the task of going up against Lackey.. we just gotta jump on him and score some runs.

  3. Chip July 19th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    By the way – anyone who thinks Lillibridge is going to hit for the Yankees the way he did in Scranton is drunk

  4. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Saturday is the one they have to win…..the other two are toss ups but they have to find a way to score a few against Lackey and give Hiro a chance.

    They win a game in Boston they are still at least in it….. They go up there and get swept then stick a fork in them

  5. austinmac July 19th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Darn it Chip. You just sobered me up.

    Ray, I agree on the 23+ year old. That is the one place they could, if they chose, use pure money for long term benefits. Lately, they have deferred.

  6. RayVT July 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    bruceb July 19th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    Fortunately they are still Beantown! They choke almost all the time! The Yanks have zero expectations upon them but RSox have a ton! I could easily see this sweeping the other way to NYY!

  7. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Chip says:
    July 19, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    By the way – anyone who thinks Lillibridge is going to hit for the Yankees the way he did in Scranton is drunk

    Being drunk is the best way to watch this team most of the time

  8. RayVT July 19th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Chip July 19th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Another round for everyone! LOL! Hopefully he just hits like Ciriaco did against the Yanks last year.

  9. Shame Spencer July 19th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    They win a game in Boston they are still at least in it….. They go up there and get swept then stick a fork in them

    ———————

    We’ve already dropped two series against the Sox. I really hope we’re able to rebound and win this one. We could use it now more than ever.

  10. Tyler July 19th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Lackey actually hasn’t been bad this year but yeah they have to win the Kuroda start. It would be awesome if Pettite could give them a vintage start tonight because they can hit Doubront too. Or at least they used to be able to.

  11. austinmac July 19th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Lackey has been pitching very well. He has been their best starter recently, reportedly throwing 94.

  12. Hankflorida July 19th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Blake, I agree with you that making deals for the 2nd Wild Card by the trading deadline may not be a wise decision, but if they are close enough to catch the Sox, does it pay to go all out with the rent a player mentality just like they did in trading for David Justice?

  13. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    I think our guys with pitch fine in bOston…..will they score any runs? I dunno

  14. bruceb July 19th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Hope you’re right, Ray, but they’ve won 8 of their last 9 home games. Just me being my usual pessimistic self.

  15. Warning Track Power July 19th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    bruceb July 19th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    No Jeter. No ARod. No reinforcements. Red Sox fans will be falling over themselves to get into Fenway this weekend. Get the brooms out.
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Expect the unexpected. Especially when these 2 teams meet.

  16. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “Blake, I agree with you that making deals for the 2nd Wild Card by the trading deadline may not be a wise decision, but if they are close enough to catch the Sox, does it pay to go all out with the rent a player mentality just like they did in trading for David Justice?”

    I think primarily you just have to take an honest look at the team and determine if it’s really a title contender or not…..and if the moves you can make change that. I have a hard time seeing them being able to improve the offense enough to make a difference….JMO ….which is why objectively I think it would be best for the organization for them to sell…..I realize they aren’t goin to

  17. RayVT July 19th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    bruceb July 19th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    You never know in baseball. If the Yankee pitching holds up anything is possible. That said RSox probably smell blood & are ready to pounce.

    I truly think the last 5 days off will have done wonders for this NYY team. This is like coming up for air. I would be concerned if Bucky were pitching game 1 & Lester #2 as then I think a sweep by the RSox could really be possible. Now I think it lines up in favor of the Yanks.

  18. fantasygame101 July 19th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    two lefty, not a surprise. Where is our right handed 1b? this is a problem known to most except cashman, that is why he brought in a left handed 1b that is worse than the current.

  19. Chip July 19th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    I think our guys with pitch fine in bOston…..will they score any runs? I dunno
    ——————

    Andy will get lit up.

  20. Chip July 19th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    RayVT July 19th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Chip July 19th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Another round for everyone! LOL! Hopefully he just hits like Ciriaco did against the Yanks last year.
    ————–

    Lillibridge has had a lot more time in the majors than Ciricaco did when he came up last year though

  21. ac1 July 19th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    We need a rh bat that can play 1b, 3b and hit. Too bad adams couldnt get it together before being sent back. I feel like he was getting close, walking more meant seeing pitches better. The hits were coming… Besides michael young who wont make a huge difference, i dont even know who can fill this role for us…..

  22. Rich in NJ July 19th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    This team isn’t nearly as good as the one that added Justice, so you would need three Justices.

  23. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    “Andy will get lit up.”

    eh I think he’ll pitch ok…..the problem is that the Yankees are facing a lefty so he might have to throw a shut out to win and that’s unlikely…..same thing sunday for CC…..they have to win Saturday

  24. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    “This team isn’t nearly as good as the one that added Justice, so you would need three Justices.”

    right….that’s the whole self evaluation thing…..the Yanks need to look in the mirror…..are they good? Not really…..can they make moves to make them good? if the answer is no then act appropriately

  25. austinmac July 19th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Blake,

    RAB has been running a poll on whether the team should buy or sell. Fifty-five percent say sell. As has been said many times, I think the fans would get behind a clear effort to re-build if done with a purpose. We would all rather watch and hope a young player will succeed rather than watching an old guys continued decline.

    But, watch. Murphy for Soriano or something equally moronic is sure to occur because someone in the front office will think that will put “fannies in the seats”. Actually, it will cause fans to stay away in droves.

  26. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    FX has Lackeys last start as a max of 94.9, which he did 4 times, and 40 pitches above 92mph and his changeup sitting around 85.

    He has changed his career around since his return. They also have him throwing 67% strikes over his last 6 starts. He’s not walking many.

  27. Rich in NJ July 19th, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    The rest should help all three of these Yankee starters.

  28. Rich in NJ July 19th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    “But, watch. Murphy for Soriano or something equally moronic is sure to occur because someone in the front office will think that will put “fannies in the seats”. Actually, it will cause fans to stay away in droves.”

    If that’s the case, I hope they get swept this weekend and beyond, but I think the panic moves will be a little less odious.

  29. Shame Spencer July 19th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    The Sox know how to use Fenway to their advantage… we have to try and generate some runs however we can.

    Sorta wish Alex was coming back for this series lol.. not sure how much it would help but he’s always liked the Green Monster.

  30. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “I truly think the last 5 days off will have done wonders for this NYY team. This is like coming up for air. I would be concerned if Bucky were pitching game 1 & Lester #2 as then I think a sweep by the RSox could really be possible. Now I think it lines up in favor of the Yanks.”

    As mentioned, Lackey has been their best pitcher the last month, followed by Dubront. Lester is their weak link this weekend, and even then, he gets to face the NY lineup, so count me in as those not clamoring to see this..

  31. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    mac,

    I’d love to feel like this team had a chance….maybe Cashman will pull off a miracle and get the type player(s) they need over the next 2 weeks…..but I just don’t see it. I have no interest in watching the Yankees become mediocre as a fan…..as I’ve said before I’d rather tear it down and have a direction than to wallow in the middle somewhere…..that’s the most boring and hopeless place to be.

  32. Hankflorida July 19th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Maybe some of the Yankee left handed hitters would be able to punch the ball off the left field wall in Fenway like Yestremski did. Overbay has that power and can hit to all fields, and maybe Gardener and Suzuki can zero in on that wall. I assume that Hafner will sit against lefties.

  33. Shame Spencer July 19th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal Scout who saw A-Rod last night: “Moving well, much better than Jeter was … We’ll see in the field … ‘D’ will be work in progress.’’ #Yankees

  34. austinmac July 19th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    I try not to read too much into things, but for the first time AROD is quoted as saying his hip hurts when he plays. He has been saying he felt great until that statement. He and his advisors must be deciding upon the best outcome with the hip and suspension coming. Is this the beginning of something or am I just seeing shadows?

  35. Rich in NJ July 19th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “maybe Cashman will pull off a miracle and get the type player(s) they need over the next 2 weeks”

    The real miracle would be an admission that this isn’t their year.

  36. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    ” I assume that Hafner will sit against lefties.”

    Crosses fingers, legs, toes, and anything else I can cross…

  37. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    “The real miracle would be an admission that this isn’t their year.”

    You can’t make this admission when you spend 230m on payroll. Regardless of injuries or anything else, they can never make that admission, imo.

  38. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Oh Hank if that was you on the previous thread with that nasty.

    Please return to said thread as I’ve provided suitable responses!

    Blogsters, One thing Lillibridge is a terrific fielder but has never his anywhere except SWB!

  39. Warning Track Power July 19th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Shame Spencer July 19th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    @Ken_Rosenthal Scout who saw A-Rod last night: “Moving well, much better than Jeter was … We’ll see in the field … ‘D’ will be work in progress.’’ #Yankees
    ——————————————————————————————————-
    Interesting since I read a report that ARod did not get one defensive chance
    last night.

  40. ac1 July 19th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    I would actually play hafner tomight. Maybe the break has helped him regroup…….
    If you see after a few at bats tonight he is the same, sit him.

  41. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    “You can’t make this admission when you spend 230m on payroll. Regardless of injuries or anything else, they can never make that admission, imo.”

    I wouldn’t want to admit I paid 230 million for this team either

  42. ac1 July 19th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Also bring adams back to play 3b and let alex dh.

  43. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    I would actually play hafner tomight. Maybe the break has helped him regroup…….
    If you see after a few at bats tonight he is the same, sit him.

    I don’t think they’re in any position to start giving away bats on a possible regroup..from what – four years ago? I think it’s safe to assume that it’s a better idea to sit Hafner and wait for RH relievers later.

  44. Rich in NJ July 19th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    “You can’t make this admission when you spend 230m on payroll. Regardless of injuries or anything else, they can never make that admission, imo.”

    At some point, losing may set them free.

  45. blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    I think Giardi should play the 8 players (besides Cano) that have the best chance of being hit by pitches…..need base runners.

  46. Warning Track Power July 19th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    ac1 July 19th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    Also bring adams back to play 3b and let alex dh.
    —————————————————————–’
    No. That ship has sailed. Adams proved his is not even a 200 hitter in the bigs at this moment.
    I would not give up on him, but the Yankees should look at someone else right now.

  47. Warning Track Power July 19th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    blake July 19th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    I think Giardi should play the 8 players (besides Cano) that have the best chance of being hit by pitches…..need base runners.
    ——————————————————–
    CANO?? I forgot about Cano’s injury. Did he return from the DR yet? Is he limping? S.O.B.!!!

  48. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    I agree. Adams did more damage than good to his stock for the moment.

    That’s what happens when you call up a guy who isn’t ready (looking at you Sanchez guys)

  49. Rich in NJ July 19th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    “That’s what happens when you call up a guy who isn’t ready (looking at you Sanchez guys)”

    Adams is 26. If he isn’t ready now, he probably never will be. Sanchez is 20, btw,

    If left alone, I think he would hit. That he began walking in the weeks before he was sent down, after not walking at all when he was hot, was a pretty good indication that he was beginning to make the adjustment.

    Not that their talent is equal, but if Pedroia had the awful start to his career as a Yankee, he might never have had a ML career with the club.

  50. Hankflorida July 19th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Oh Hank if that was you on the previous thread with that nasty.

    Please return to said thread as I’ve provided suitable responses!

    Comnsnse, you have mixed me up with Hans as I was the one who discussed “Push Em Up Tony DiMag and the Crow with you. We have no dispute as we both believe “The Thumper,” was the greatest hitter of our time.

  51. Nick in SF July 19th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    “I believe randy can come back in just a couple weeks..”

    Let’s hope he doesn’t try to come back and rant on day game after a night game or he could end up on the DL almost immediately.

  52. Jerkface July 19th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    How a player performs in their initial call up is not an indicator of readiness. No one knows when a player is ready to make the transfer to the majors. Nor do you know if that player will still require an adjustment period despite being ‘ready’. There are some guys that will sparkle in the majors immediately. There are others that will need to acclimate. Even Mike Trout struggled in his initial call up and there is no telling if he would have done the same had they waited a year.

    All you can look at is performance in the minors (which itself is not necessarily an indicator), scouts, and a roll of the dice.

    There are some players who no matter how long they play in the minors ‘getting ready’ they will still struggle in their initial call up. The Yankees have had a habit of overbaking their position players and underbaking their pitchers in the minor leagues. Perhaps that should be reversed.

  53. blake July 19th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    “Let’s hope he doesn’t try to come back and rant on day game after a night game or he could end up on the DL almost immediately.”

    :)

  54. Warning Track Power July 19th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Rich in NJ July 19th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
    “That’s what happens when you call up a guy who isn’t ready (looking at you Sanchez guys)”

    Adams is 26. If he isn’t ready now, he probably never will be. Sanchez is 20, btw,

    If left alone, I think he would hit. That he began walking in the weeks before he was sent down, after not walking at all when he was hot, was a pretty good indication that he was beginning to make the adjustment.

    Not that their talent is equal, but if Pedroia had the awful start to his career as a Yankee, he might never have had a ML career with the club.
    —————————————————————–
    No reason to give up on Adams, but for now he needed to be sent back down to make room for someone else to try.
    I wonder what year it was and what place the RS were in when they let Pedroia work
    through that awful start. Not sure of the circumstances then.

  55. ac1 July 19th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Pedroia was 2006 and batted .191

  56. JobaTipsHisCap July 19th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I’d be happy if they win one over the weekend

  57. MTU July 19th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Niblick-

    Thank you for your response.

    Are you a Lawyer by trade ?

    If not, how do you know you can’t recover for pain and suffering in that situation ?

    I do not know if it was a bad batch of rabies vaccine itself, or something added to it.

    Our specialist didn’t say in those specific terms except to say it was definitely the rabies shot.

    She did say she felt confident that Pfizer will pay at least some of our costs.

    We’ll see. FWIS what’s fair is for them to pay for all the costs of care which they induced.

    And also for the countless hours of care and effort required to bring our dog back to health.

    I know that’s probably idealistic but that’s how I feel.

    I am definitely not going to make it easy for them to ignore us. I can promise you that.

    Maybe if we make them uncomfortable enough they’ll just pay us to go away.

    ;)

  58. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Francona was loyal to a fault. I can’t remember the year, but he left Ortiz in all year against Lefties when he was hitting them at a Hafner-like clip. I forgot about Pedroia’s awful start.

    I also was not aware Adams was 26, but for some reason though he was 23. Either way, I suppose, he’s over-matched at this level right now.

  59. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    HankinFlorida, mea culpa, meaculpa, mea maxima culpa!

    I knew something was wrong but imagine my consternation when a fellow Floridian is saying he ignores me. Did you actually read those posts?

    I will not let stand either ignoring or ignorance which there is far too much of on planet earth!

    I do get along so much better with people who agree with me, or at the very least have coherent responses. Hans will ever more be consigned to the blog inferno! ;)

  60. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Manning ,say what you will but Papi is the greatest DH of all time and George always said they should have signed him.

    Just think of how they might have avoided the Giambi wasted dollars and peds scenario!

  61. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    comnsnse –

    I didn’t say anything negative about anyone. At the time, he wasn’t hitting lefties (I’m not sure the numbers), and Francona left him in to work it out the entire year. Maybe 2008?
    Whatever it was, I recognize Ortiz as one of the best players in the game. My yankeedom isn’t blind to his accomplishments, regardless of uniform.
    I would have given anything to have in YS the past ten years – My guess is that he’d be well over 500HR by this point.

  62. Hans Davenport July 19th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    According to someone earlier, Brent Lilliputian has never hit anywhere before SWB. Not exactly true. In 2011 with Chicago WS he hit 13 Homers and put up a .845 OPS in the small sample size of about 230 plate appearances. Wouldn’t expect that, but the blanket statement that he had never hit anywhere prior to SWB is false.

  63. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “Just think of how they might have avoided the Giambi wasted dollars and peds scenario”

    ….depends on who you ask. Some believe that MLB calls Ortiz and other good hitters when they’re about to be drug tested so they can magically cleanse his system and show no traces of illegal PED. Or maybe, they just has a stunt doubles go take the test for them? Pee and blood in a bag? I’m not sure how he does it, but he’s getting away with something!

  64. RayVT July 19th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    If Ortiz had signed with the Yanks, then Ortiz’s PEDs would have been an issue! Kind of like Manny!

  65. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Sorry for the typos.
    When will this phone will learn that I never mean to say “ducking” or “shot”…

  66. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    “If Ortiz had signed with the Yanks, then Ortiz’s PEDs would have been an issue! Kind of like Manny!”

    Because Pettitte is still under the microscope?

  67. RhapsodyInBlue July 19th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    If Ortiz signed with the Yankees he would have been outed in the Mitchell Report.

  68. Hans Davenport July 19th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Francona was loyal to a fault. I forgot about Pedroia’s awful start.

    Francona like Showalter are really patient with young players. They’re not afraid to play them. I still think Tito is the best manager in baseball today and Buck is close.

  69. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “If Ortiz signed with the Yankees he would have been outed in the Mitchell Report.”

    Yes. Because MLB was protecting the Rex Sox and all the other good players that weren’t on the Report? They just felt the need to pick on NY, or had reason to? The MR did ruin the legacy of more than just Yankees.
    I don’t understand some of the conspiracy theories sometimes..
    I tend to believe that guys aren’t failing drug tests, or ending up on these lists because maybe, just maybe, they’re clean?

  70. 86w183 July 19th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    the Yanks already had Giambi when Ortiz was a FA.

  71. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “the Yanks already had Giambi when Ortiz was a FA.”

    This seems like another lifetime ago. Those 2003-2009 seasons were so much fun between these two teams.

  72. RhapsodyInBlue July 19th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    It was tic manning.

    More of a likelyhood big dumpi would have outed by Selena Roberts.

  73. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Manning&Ray, I know you can not be serious about Sox players being “warned” by MLB about impending testing! And here I was enjoying your posts, I mean the Yanks have had their share of peds users admitted or not going back to the Clemens period, while all pro sports have had the shadow of “enhancements”( no pun intended) since the 60′s!

    Hans, I am willing to forgive your unnecessary obstreperousness with a simple declaration of your undying fealty to my cause!! ;)

    BTW, you did not exactly post a bounce back to my comments about your BB (blog behavior) by quoting Liilibridge’s only decent MLB year.

    This would seem to underscore your need for my wisdom in the future, perhaps I can proof read your posts before you actually do so?

    Hans, you deserve the busting for your previous remarks but I’m only joshing you now! :)

  74. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “Manning&Ray, I know you can not be serious about Sox players being “warned” by MLB about impending testing! And here I was enjoying your posts, I mean the Yanks have had their share of peds users admitted or not going back to the Clemens period, while all pro sports have had the shadow of “enhancements”( no pun intended) since the 60?s!”

    No, I’m not. I’m piggybacking on another posters ridiculous statement that the Red Sox, as a team, are being warned by MLB and Selig becuase “they’re all buddies”.

    I cannot, however, speak for RayVT, since I have no idea if he believes that or not.

    It was more joke on my part.

  75. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    baseball needs to get here now. This place gets out of control without it.

    At least when the games are on we can talk about what’s happening now, and not speculating on trades and drugs, and who sleeps with who, and who got what in the complimentary gift basket the next day.

  76. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    86 and Papi bashers, yes they did sign Giambi but George wanted Papi who would have been much cheaper and obviously much better in the long run.

    George was over ruled by the committee during his health decline.

    Those same Ba****ds who are still on the job and screwing up in 2013!

  77. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    manning, are you saying page 6 content is not welcome?

    I hope you don’t mean the pictures too! ;)

    Hey guy do you really see anything so absorbing and imminent that must be discussed incessantly?

  78. blake July 19th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Jerry Crasnick ?@jcrasnick 17m
    Heard today that “if they’re a left-handed reliever and breathing,” the #braves have probably checked in on them.

    Boonie for somebody

  79. 86w183 July 19th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    comnsnse —

    I’m not a Papi basher, but it was a YEAR after the Yanks signed Giambi that George wanted Papi and they also had a studly young hitter named Nick Johnson which is why they passed.

    It is incorrect to imply they could have signed Papi AND saved the $$$ on Giambi

    I thought they should have kept Tino for the 3 years, $ 25 M he got from St Louis instead of giving Giambi 7 years and $ 119.

  80. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    86, I believe you are saying that while George may have wanted Papi after the Giambi signing therefore obviously a non issue?

    Then while I agree with your time line why would he have expressed that desire?

    I’m asking because it had been widely disseminated as to his interest?

    Could it have been when they were replacing Tino they might have obtained him in a trade with the Twins prior to signing Giambi?

  81. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Boston Lineup:

    Ellsbury
    Victorino
    Pedroia
    Ortiz
    Napoli
    Gomes
    Saltalamachia
    Snyder
    Iglesias

    Dubront

  82. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    It’s 3 hours away – is our linuep a secret?

  83. RayVT July 19th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Not really a conspiracy guy myself, but Mitchell was employed by the Red Sox when he did the report. And only some folks were outed. Most weren’t. Add that to ESPN being Beantown lovers & I could see why some folks would think that!

    If ARod had said he got some shakes in the DR & didn’t know what was in them & smiled, do you think the ESPN press would have let it slide???

  84. ManningRules July 19th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    6/7 RH hitters in that lineup.

  85. comnsnse July 19th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    86, it’s not necessary to use caps for emphasis.

    I understand small cap emphasis implied. Thank you.

  86. jskwrite July 19th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Ortiz definitely got a break from a lot of people when he was outed as being on the list for whatever reason. The Mitchell Report was definitely a “piece” of what happened, but it’s mostly bay-area players and players on the NYC teams. The more I think about the PED fiasco, the more you start applying it to career arcs (Nomar’s career arc?) you really have to start saying to yourself “you’ll just never know”. Maybe Jeter has used PEDs? Maybe Sammy Sosa didn’t? As ridiculous as it sounds, you probably will never know. Unless they failed a test like Manny or Palmeiro, it’s just speculation.

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    Wall St., the banks yes, Red Sox ?

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    1. Brett Gardner (L) CF

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    That list was only able to be compiled because a grossly incompetent judge in the Balco granted a search warrant for the two lists which you needed both of to identify who tested positive. There was no reason the warrant should have been granted EXCEPT to ascertain whether any Balco related client/defendant was on the list.

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