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Braun suspended for the rest of the season

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 22, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

We’ll have some pregame notes in a bit, but right now, here’s the story of the day. Ryan Braun has acknowledged his use of performance enhancing drugs and been suspended for the rest of the season. Could have massive implications for Alex Rodriguez if the league has similar evidence against him.
Here’s the announcement from the league.

Commissioner Allan H. (Bud) Selig announced today that Milwaukee Brewers outfielder Ryan Braun has been suspended without pay for the remainder of the 2013 Championship Season and Postseason for violations of the Basic Agreement and its Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. The suspension of Braun is effective immediately.

Ryan Braun said: “As I have acknowledged in the past, I am not perfect. I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions. This situation has taken a toll on me and my entire family, and it is has been a distraction to my teammates and the Brewers organization. I am very grateful for the support I have received from players, ownership and the fans in Milwaukee and around the country. Finally, I wish to apologize to anyone I may have disappointed – all of the baseball fans especially those in Milwaukee, the great Brewers organization, and my teammates. I am glad to have this matter behind me once and for all, and I cannot wait to get back to the game I love.”

“We commend Ryan Braun for taking responsibility for his past actions,” said Rob Manfred, Executive Vice President, Economics & League Affairs for Major League Baseball. “We all agree that it is in the best interests of the game to resolve this matter. When Ryan returns, we look forward to him making positive contributions to Major League Baseball, both on and off the field.”

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328 Responses to “Braun suspended for the rest of the season”

  1. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    this is the first one to drop. seems like there are many more coming

    arod’s gotta be pretty scared right about now

  2. MG July 22nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    bye Alex…

  3. Captain Clutch July 22nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Wow, Arod’s can’t be far behind but he won’t admit it so his will be appealed. Even though I doubt the players association will fight for him.

  4. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Wow. This guy talked some big talk about his innocence.

  5. Captain Clutch July 22nd, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    I am sure the Yankees love the without pay part. Hal is counting his money as we speak.

  6. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Alex is in a different situation. While I’ve advocating cutting him if he’s suspended, I bet the Yankees are taking the exact opposite stance. Fight it for now and deal with it next season.

  7. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    This is a pretty fair plea bargain.

    But I still think many more players are doing PEDs than MLB will ever know or admit, and I really don’t care.

  8. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    if braun gets 65, they’re gonna give alex 100. minimum

  9. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Further proof the Arod “injury” is bogus.
    The guy is revered by some here but he is a born liar.

  10. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Pete Abraham ?@PeteAbe 1m

    MLB must have a boatload of evidence for Braun (and the MLBPA) to accept such a suspension.

  11. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    “Further proof the Arod “injury” is bogus.”

    Whatever it isn’t, it isn’t proof.

  12. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    kd July 22nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    if braun gets 65, they’re gonna give alex 100. minimum
    ———-

    MLB wanted Braun just as bad, if not more than Alex.

    Braun talked an awful lot of smack.

  13. theREALkevin July 22nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Why isn’t this on ESPN yet?

  14. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Even though I doubt the players association will fight for him.
    =====================
    This has already been stated by them.

  15. fantasygame101 July 22nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Is this a compromise? If not what happens to the 150 games suspension. If this is a compromise, braun got so much lighter penalty.

  16. DONNYBROOK July 22nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    A-Rod has gotta be barfing his guts out in reaction to the Braun confession. As I said previously, Biogenesis is gonna be just like Pete Rose vs the MLB Gum Shoes. No Where To Turn for those targeted.

  17. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Just gettin’ warmed up. Time to roast an Arod hot dog.

  18. bruceb July 22nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    So Braun now admits that he is a liar?

  19. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Looks like the “idiot” schilling was right…

  20. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    “Just gettin’ warmed up. Time to roast an Arod hot dog.”

    He’s almost certainly worth hundreds of millions. You may eat hot dogs, but he probably eats something far more expensive.

  21. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    braun has 7/127 left on his deal. i bet the brewers try to cut him. this might be the line in the sand that selig draws, it’s a small market team owned by the commissioner who will be financially strapped for a long time under that deal. this is gonna be interesting

  22. ac1 July 22nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Shouldn’t he get double punished for lying about the positive test and the biogenesis stuff? This essentially means MLB has what they need and arod is toast.

  23. Jerkface July 22nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    If this means MLB’s evidence is legit then the best case scenario for the Yankees and A-rod is for A-rod to appeal/fight. Either he wins and gets off, or he gets hit with a harder penalty which is potentially more advantageous for the team. If he gets the 65 games Braun got for only this season the Yankees are still going to end up in trouble with his bonus/salary in 2014.

    And of course there is the fact that I dont think his suspension will help them with the LT at all.

  24. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Arods hip problems are caused by PEDs

  25. Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Looks like Braun and his team got away easy. Last place team, going nowhere, can afford to lose him for the rest of the season.

  26. Jerkface July 22nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    braun has 7/127 left on his deal. i bet the brewers try to cut him.

    They can cut him all they want, he’ll still get paid. They can’t terminate a contract for drug offenses because the JDA does not allow it.

  27. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 4m
    Hopefully, Ryan Braun has reached out to collector Dino Laurenzi, Jr. and offered his apology for how he cast doubt re Laurenzi’s integrity.

    Alex is no saint, but Braun really was a piece of cr@p about this.

  28. bruceb July 22nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Could ARod’s quad injury be fake…an excuse to stop him returning against Texas tonight? Maybe he’s already done a plea deal with MLB?

  29. ac1 July 22nd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Was 100 originally for Braun but this is about 75. Guess not fighting it for him a compromose

  30. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    kd July 22nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    braun has 7/127 left on his deal. i bet the brewers try to cut him. this might be the line in the sand that selig draws, it’s a small market team owned by the commissioner who will be financially strapped for a long time under that deal. this is gonna be interesting

    _______

    What do you mean cut him? Get out of his deal? How? Eat all that salary?

  31. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    He’s almost certainly worth hundreds of millions. You may eat hot dogs, but he probably eats something far more expensive.
    ======================
    you seem to “relish” that. no pun intended…

  32. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Yes Mick. Alex’s salary gives Rich in NJ a little boner.

  33. DONNYBROOK July 22nd, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    My guess would be this same type of “plea deal” was proposed to A-Rod on that Friday he saw the MLB Gum Shoes, and then went MIA at the Bush League game that night.

  34. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Or should I say Alex’s celery.

  35. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Isn’t this considered Brauns 1st offense and subject to a 50 game ban?

  36. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Yes Mick but MLB has better attorney’s than Braun.

  37. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    I doubt the quad injury is a cover. The Yankees know he’s guilty. Anyone with common sense knows he’s guilty. It’s not like they’re caught off guard by the process.

    But as a type this… who knows. In a logical world, Alex would never have gone back to PEDs. What do I know.

  38. ac1 July 22nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    65 games seems low for a guy who rested positive and was involved in biogenesis. I don’t see how they can justify more than that for Alex since he never tested positive.

  39. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Now you know why Cash told aroid to stfu.
    Can’t say I blame him…

  40. Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Braun’s suspension is not under the JDA. It’s under the commissioner’s powers to suspend for “just cause”.

  41. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    Isn’t this considered Brauns 1st offense and subject to a 50 game ban?
    ———

    MLB was going after him for lying as well. This is kind of an old argument/story.

    Yes, but no.

  42. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    Yes Mick. Alex’s salary gives Rich in NJ a little boner.
    __

    Project all you want. And, I’m sorry that you need to do that.

  43. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Braun’s suspension is not under the JDA. It’s under the commissioner’s powers to suspend for “just cause”.

    _______

    Interesting point. I’ll let the board attorneys duke this one out.

  44. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Braun is a liar. He made a big stink about denying these allegations during
    ST. Had a press conference and now look at the bum.
    FYI:
    Over the weekend he went 1-8
    Maybe he knew what was coming???

  45. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    and I really don’t care.

    ——————

    Neither do I but I’m sure Selig and clowns like Verducci will sit on their high horse and claim the game is being cleaned up.

  46. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Or should I say bored attorneys.

  47. Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Since the suspension was not under the JDA, the 50/100/life escalation doesn’t apply.

  48. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    wonder if the brewers would rather have signed prince fielder than ryan braun now?

    look at melky’s numbers… braun’s gonna be league average when he comes back

  49. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    And, I’m sorry that you need to do that.
    ==============
    No you are not, but then again you worship the ground Aroid walks on.

  50. Hans Davenport July 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Shouldn’t he get double punished for lying about the positive test

    He appealed that on a technicality as to the date of delivery.

  51. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    and I really don’t care.

    ——————

    Neither do I but I’m sure Selig and clowns like Verducci will sit on their high horse and claim the game is being cleaned up.
    ———

    This is the only American sport actually trying to… whether you support that or not, whatever, but they are actively trying.

  52. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    Yes Mick but MLB has better attorney’s than Braun.
    _

    Probably not. Good attorney’s take good plea bargains because you never how the arbitrator will rule. The Brewers are out of it. This was a smart decision.

  53. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm
    And, I’m sorry that you need to do that.
    ==============
    No you are not, but then again you worship the ground Aroid walks on.

    _

    That is a pathetic thing to say, but whatever.

  54. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    look at melky’s numbers… braun’s gonna be league average when he comes back
    ===============
    No he won’t. He will continue to use.

  55. Jerkface July 22nd, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Niblick, you’re incorrect, it is part of the JDA. Its just that the particular provision for the MLB front office’s use of the power has no set penalty system. The various offenses have their own scales, the ‘just cause’ offense does not which is why they could make up the punishment amount. Its still from the JDA though, which is why no one is getting their contract voided.

  56. PacoDooley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    How about the Garza trade (not to distract from the A Rod and Braun talk too much). If Garza fetches that decent haul, you have to imagine that Kuroda would net some real talent.

  57. Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    How bad will Cervelli hit, then?

  58. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    That is a pathetic thing to say
    =========
    Pathetic is idolizing Aroid.

  59. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    The board/bored attorneys should get to work on the insurance language in the contract and report back to us about the prospect of a medical retirement. And you get a gold star if you can name the real name of the insurance adjustor, bronze star for identifying the name of the insurer who backed Arod’s contract. The multibillion dollar Yankees have payed hundreds of millions over the years to insure big contracts. It’s time to negotiate.

  60. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    I wonder what ESPN will talk about tonight during the telecast.
    Speculation at it’s highest level tonight over ARod until an announcement
    regarding him is announced.

    If Bud had any balls he would have made all the announcements at once.
    Why take your time and release only 1. Get them all out there already Bud.
    If you have anymore

  61. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:02 pm
    That is a pathetic thing to say
    =========
    Pathetic is idolizing Aroid.
    _

    What do you act like such a fool sometimes?

  62. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Good attorney’s take good plea bargains
    =====================
    how is this a plea bargain, he admitted to using.

  63. Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Jerk, it may be a suspension for violating the JDA, but it is not a suspension under the JDA. Thus the 50/100/life doesn’t apply. The question as to terminating his contract is open. Nothing in the JDA would prevent the termination.

  64. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Jerk, it may be a suspension for violating the JDA, but it is not a suspension under the JDA. Thus the 50/100/life doesn’t apply. The question as to terminating his contract is open. Nothing in the JDA would prevent the termination.

    _________

    Oh dear.

  65. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    I hope AROD doesn’t reach a similar deal. It will give Hal a saving this year but none next.

  66. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    How about the Garza trade (not to distract from the A Rod and Braun talk too much). If Garza fetches that decent haul, you have to imagine that Kuroda would net some real talent.
    ———–

    Good trade for the Cubs… things have unraveled for the Rangers, although this should help them in the playoffs.

  67. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Here are some Braun quotes from earlier this year:
    I don’t know. These resemble some of the comments ARod has been saying this year:

    “I understand why a lot of you guys are probably here but I made a statement last week,” Braun said. “I stand behind that statement. I’m not going to address that issue any further. As I stated, I’m happy to cooperate fully into any investigation into this matter.”
    He did answer one drug-related question, regarding the recent announcement by Major League Baseball and the players union that players will be subject to in-season, unannounced testing for human growth hormone.
    “I’ve always been supportive of the system,” Braun said. “I’ve always been supportive of additional drug testing or whatever testing they have that’s available.

  68. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I would say Garza is underrated, but it might sound like I’m overrating him. He’s solid.

  69. chicken_stanley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Baseball tonight round table about Braun situation just on the tube… Larkin solidly on players side saying “what did he do?” Got really loud… weird

  70. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Kuroda could be an important factor in advancing in the playoffs for some teams.

  71. Hans Davenport July 22nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm
    Braun’s suspension is not under the JDA. It’s under the commissioner’s powers to suspend for “just cause”.

    Where did you read that? Here’s what I just read.

    Ryan Braun has been suspended without pay for the remainder of the 2013 Championship Season and Postseason for violations of the Basic Agreement and its Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. The suspension of Braun is effective immediately.

  72. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    They want admissions like Braun’s. Alex , like Rose, will never admit to anything as that would be telling the truth which is hard for him to do.

  73. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    chicken_stanley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm
    Baseball tonight round table about Braun situation just on the tube… Larkin solidly on players side saying “what did he do?” Got really loud… weird
    —————————————————————————–
    I agree with Larkin. It should be explained to the last detail what
    Braun did.
    What he violations were. The public needs to know. The fans need to know more than the standard “PED user”.

  74. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm
    Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    and I really don’t care.

    ——————

    Neither do I but I’m sure Selig and clowns like Verducci will sit on their high horse and claim the game is being cleaned up.
    ———

    This is the only American sport actually trying to… whether you support that or not, whatever, but they are actively trying.

    ————

    Trying to do something they had no problem making money off of until sh*t hit the fan. It makes sense why Bud keeps coming back yr after after yr he’s changing the narrative. When he’s long gone ppl will say once Bud found out how much of issue the game had with PEDs he did everything to stop it.

  75. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    PacoDooley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    How about the Garza trade (not to distract from the A Rod and Braun talk too much). If Garza fetches that decent haul, you have to imagine that Kuroda would net some real talent.

    ————————————-
    looking at two SPers that have just about the same stats…with Kuroda a very slight edge

  76. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    The plea bargain gives Braun the certainty of the length of the suspension, and he gets to serve it while his team is absolutely out of the playoffs.

  77. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Colon is a poster boy for this and could be next to go.

  78. UnKnown July 22nd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    So Garza’s new name is TBD huh? Prob see him Thursday. This is going to be a tough ass series.

  79. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    How about the Garza trade (not to distract from the A Rod and Braun talk too much). If Garza fetches that decent haul, you have to imagine that Kuroda would net some real talent.
    ———–

    Good trade for the Cubs… things have unraveled for the Rangers, although this should help them in the playoffs.

    ——————
    they are also trying to get Colby Lewis healthy.

  80. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Alex admitted use before when his test failures were only reported. He will admit to it if it help him. That’s the way of the world it seems.

  81. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    How do you know its a plea bargain?
    That would mean they wanted more, how do we know they did?

  82. PacoDooley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Looks like an overpay for Texas – I know Olt has looked pretty poor in the Major Leagues (and is already 24, so not like he is too young for the level), but he has potential and the rest of the package rounds out nicely. Good for the Cubs, and I don’t think they could do better for a guy that is an injury risk.

  83. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    why Braun first for sure I thought it would have been Arod

  84. UnKnown July 22nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Y’s have another chance to jump start their season by playing really well this week. Still looking for that spark to get it rolling in the right direction.

  85. chicken_stanley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    WTP – it wasn’t the content of his message I found weird its how he said it… he got really fired up and it sounded almost personal

  86. champ809 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    There is nothing to negotiate. ARod retires for medical reasons he gets every penny of his $ suspension or no suspension.

    If he comes back he gets suspended and if he appeals his suspension he’ll end up serving it next year which would be preferable to the Yankees as any loss salary would count in their cap savings next year and help them come under $189mil and still field a good team. the yanks are probably almost hoping for this scenario.

    The question is how much does ARod really value the $ because at this point he would most likely lose between 20-25 mil under a suspension and there really is very little upside to him coming back and playing.

  87. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Braun is the appetizer – Arod the main course.

  88. PacoDooley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Colon is a poster boy for this and could be next to go.
    ———————-

    Did you see the quotes after his last start – i cannot imagine he is doing this clean, especially after already having failed a test. I don’t know if he is linked specifically to Biogenesis, but I think he is using.

  89. Jerkface July 22nd, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Jerk, it may be a suspension for violating the JDA, but it is not a suspension under the JDA. Thus the 50/100/life doesn’t apply. The question as to terminating his contract is open. Nothing in the JDA would prevent the termination.

    No, you’re wrong. It is a suspension under the JDA, because it specifically comes from a section of the JDA. And the JDA itself states that teams forfeit all rights to punishing a player for drug use to the front office. The question of terminating his contract is closed, because it isnt possible.

  90. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    T.J. Quinn ?@TJQuinnESPN 2m

    A-Rod will be a different story. MLB’s case against him includes possibility he interfered with investigation. They’ll go after him harder.

  91. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Trying to do something they had no problem making money off of until sh*t hit the fan. It makes sense why Bud keeps coming back yr after after yr he’s changing the narrative. When he’s long gone ppl will say once Bud found out how much of issue the game had with PEDs he did everything to stop it.
    ———

    Oh sure. It’s definitely not as noble as the MLB would like it to look. But in all fairness, people were upset by the cheating, they started acting, and they’re still acting. Of course some people are getting away with it still, but I don’t think it’s entirely just for show.

  92. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Here’s the simple fact about A-Rod: Can the Yankees just make his contract go away (iow, rescind it)? No, almost certainly not. So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?

  93. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    Braun is the appetizer – Arod the main course
    ————————————-
    appetizers aren’t good for you…but I do eat my main meal before my salad

  94. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    Braun is the appetizer – Arod the main course.
    ————————————————————–
    Bud gave Braun a break since he’s affiliated with the Brewers.
    For lying last year in ST and for getting caught now, Braun should also
    be suspended for some of the 2014 season.
    Since his team sucks what is the loss for his team? Very minimal impact on the field.
    Plus, Bud announced Braun first because Bud has nothing on ARod.

  95. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    kd July 22nd, 2013 at 6:16 pm
    T.J. Quinn ?@TJQuinnESPN 2m

    A-Rod will be a different story. MLB’s case against him includes possibility he interfered with investigation. They’ll go after him harder.
    _

    The leak recipient-in-chief.

  96. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?
    ==================
    b/c they don’t like him for some reason?

  97. Jerkface July 22nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Section 7G is the JDA section being used here.

  98. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    For lying last year in ST and for getting caught now, Braun should also
    be suspended for some of the 2014 season.
    ============================
    That might have been the offer…100 games or cop a plea.

  99. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?
    ==================
    b/c they don’t like him for some reason?
    _

    Who gives a sh!t. This is business. I want the teams I root for to win. To win, you have to have a lot of good players. Because the Yankees can’t develop talent, they have to spend money, and spent it correctly. They have foolishly sunk another $100m+ on A-Rod. If he can’t play and play well, it makes it harder to win.

  100. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:19 pm
    For lying last year in ST and for getting caught now, Braun should also
    be suspended for some of the 2014 season.
    ============================
    That might have been the offer…100 games or cop a plea.
    ————————————————————————————-
    I understand but so lame. The lawyers, players and Bud could care less about the fans.
    They are all probably patting themselves on the back right now for what they think is a job
    well done.
    Sorry. Not a job well done.
    Why won’t they release what PED’s he used, what they were for, etc….
    Why just a blanket PED use and no specifics? What is the league trying to hide?
    A fan cannot believe anything Bud says.
    So much for the 100 games. Cop a plea and that’s reduced if you play
    for the Brewers.

  101. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    kd July 22nd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    T.J. Quinn ?@TJQuinnESPN 2m

    A-Rod will be a different story. MLB’s case against him includes possibility he interfered with investigation. They’ll go after him harder.

    ________

    Oh dear God.

  102. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?

    ———————–

    Everyone needs a villain. Face less targets are harder to root against

  103. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    They have foolishly sunk another $100m+ on A-Rod.
    =========================
    Well, it matters to many. He was never popular here and didn’t become popular after 09 either.

  104. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:23 pm
    So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?

    ———————–

    Everyone needs a villain. Face less targets are harder to root against
    _

    I save my villains for real life. Someone once said that TV is chewing gum for the eyes. That’s how I view spectator sports.

  105. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    Here’s the simple fact about A-Rod: Can the Yankees just make his contract go away (iow, rescind it)? No, almost certainly not. So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?
    ——–

    Because he lied to us and issued false apologies while continuing to cheat which he supposedly recognized as a wrong doing?

    That the Yankees have now lost his services for an additional 50+ games?

    That he’s shaming the Yankee name?

  106. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    They have foolishly sunk another $100m+ on A-Rod.
    =========================
    Well, it matters to many. He was never popular here and didn’t become popular after 09 either.

    _
    So do the haters want to give back the 2009 WS trophy?

  107. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    So do the haters want to give back the 2009 WS trophy?
    ——-

    Do you like, not appreciate complexity?

  108. champ809 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    I’ll reserve my judgement on this trade ( Garza ) till I see the PTBNL but off the bat I think Texas did well in that they gave up nothing can’t miss or stud like. Olt has some upside but he’s no lock. I think for the Cubbies though he can come up right away and take over 3B as Vitters didn’t pan out and they have a hole in the organization at that position.

    Grimm is a mid rotation/back rotation guy to me…I see his ceiling as a #3 in his best years and more of a #4 type.

    Olt and Rizzo could be nice bookends for the Cubbies for the next few years.

    Texas just fired their shot over the bow with this deal. They now lineup Garza, Darvish, Holland, Ogando and Perez until they get Harrison and Lewis back. That’s major depth potentially.

  109. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    They have foolishly sunk another $100m+ on A-Rod.
    =========================
    Well, it matters to many. He was never popular here and didn’t become popular after 09 either.

    _
    So do the haters want to give back the 2009 WS trophy?
    ——————————————————————————-
    I bet some would.
    Cut of their nose to spite their face.
    MORONS!!

  110. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    Here’s the simple fact about A-Rod: Can the Yankees just make his contract go away (iow, rescind it)? No, almost certainly not. So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?
    ——–

    Because he lied to us and issued false apologies while continuing to cheat which he supposedly recognized as a wrong doing?

    That the Yankees have now lost his services for an additional 50+ games?

    That he’s shaming the Yankee name?
    __

    Do you really think that the Yankees had no information the he or Giambi before him, or maybe Sheffiled, or a bunch of other players did PEDs?

    Yet they signed them anyway.

    So who is really shaming the Yankee name?

  111. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    i would give it back if they take away Bonds and McGwires records.

  112. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:26 pm
    So do the haters want to give back the 2009 WS trophy?
    ——-

    Do you like, not appreciate complexity?

    _

    Yes, particularly complex hypocrisy.

  113. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Interesting to me that owners thrived and made tens of millions of dollars during the height
    of the PED/Steriod use about 10-15 years ago.
    Now these owners are acting like they are above the law and pretending to care enough
    about the game to clean it up.
    HYPOCRITES. All of ‘em and that includes Bud.

  114. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    I would give back 2009 if they take back 2004 and 2007 because of Manny and Ortiz.

    And then turn back the clock to 1918…

  115. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Best of both worlds might be Alex too injured to return this year — so he misses the season and they get 80 % back and THEN he’s suspended for all/part of 2014.

    This assumes Alex will never return to be a standout player, and thus the less the Yanks have to pay him the better.

  116. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Nelson Cruz is on the list. If he gets and accepts his suspension in the next few days the Rangers will need a RF’er.

  117. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:28 pm
    I would give back 2009 if they take back 2004 and 2007 because of Manny and Ortiz.

    And then turn back the clock to 1918…

    _

    Sure, but do you think that what is known is an exhaustive list of all the cheaters?

    Probably not, right?

    So why do we selectively indict teams that may have been targeted as a result of market-size envy?

  118. PittsburghYankeeFan July 22nd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Verducci is an ass. A whole generation of young pitchers screwup up due to the “Verducci effect” nonsense. Jackass.

    Selig must tread very carefully here. Equal punishment for all, or MLB will be sued for the reminder of ARod’s contract if he somehow singles out ARod and the Yankees toss him. Selig is also a jackass.

    That is the real crux of the question: this season is likely toast. So is 2014. OK, we can all deal with it. It would be amazing if the Yankees can get out from under ARod’s contract forever. It would open up oceans of possibility.

    I think the medical retirement scenario is perfect–they get the $27.5 million AAV back if he retires, or do they?

    If ARod wants to come back at a later date for another team, he serves the suspension, and takes a heck of a lot less money to play. To bad, ARod: you gave up $100 million plus because you just couldn’t stay away from this crap.

  119. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Baseball can’t allow this anymore as it is losing credibility.
    Nothing can be perceived as real and it gets worse with every new scandal.
    They are becoming the WWE or whatever they call the wrestling thing.

  120. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Yes, particularly complex hypocrisy.
    ——–

    Yeah, that’s a particular feature of complexity, when there are contradicting views regarding a subject. Glad you recognize it?

    A-Rod has lied, and cheated, and done harm to the Yankee team of the future with this forthcoming suspension. I mean, why do we need to pretend like it doesn’t matter? If this game matters at all to you or your free time, I don’t see how a key figure in franchise history acting like a total ass doesn’t matter.

    That doesn’t mean I want the Yankees to lose. That doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy 2009 (a great overall team). I just don’t see the point in pretending like A-Rod isn’t a heel. He is.

  121. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    best thing mlb can do is suspend all of the remaining players before the trade deadline. won’t be fair to teams some hear earlier than others

    nelson cruz could be a big loss for that club

  122. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    If Alex is too injured to play the remainder of the season and doesn’t appeal an upcoming suspension , he can start serving it while on the DL, a loophole in the system.

  123. chicken_stanley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Been a lot of contradictions on espn in the last 30 minutes so take this with a grain of salt – it was just stated that no further details of the Braun case will be released to the public.

  124. PittsburghYankeeFan July 22nd, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    It’s not the money to the Yankees, it’s getting the AAV out so they get under the salary cap for now and the next few years. If they can only toss Tex somehow…

  125. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Best of both worlds might be Alex too injured to return this year — so he misses the season and they get 80 % back and THEN he’s suspended for all/part of 2014.

    ________

    If Arod wants to (foolishly) attempt to build a case for medical retirement so that he can avoid the pay loss penalty – in which case he would try to avoid the field this year – you would get your best of both worlds.

    His daily briefings with his attorneys must be terrifying.

  126. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm
    Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:23 pm
    So why is it in a Yankee fan’s interest to root against him?

    ———————–

    Everyone needs a villain. Face less targets are harder to root against
    _

    I save my villains for real life. Someone once said that TV is chewing gum for the eyes. That’s how I view spectator sports.

    ————-

    Very well said.

  127. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    YT,

    The way it works is the Rangers get Garza for our series and lose Cruz after it. It defines the year.

  128. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    chicken_stanley July 22nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm
    Been a lot of contradictions on espn in the last 30 minutes so take this with a grain of salt – it was just stated that no further details of the Braun case will be released to the public.
    —————————————————————————
    Does not surprise me. If MLB wants to clean up the game, then why not
    reveal all the details.

  129. DONNYBROOK July 22nd, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Braun’s admission\suspension issa plea deal. He probably got The Commish to agree to seal all the documents. There’s nothing wrong with that.

  130. Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Alex admitted use before when his test failures were only reported. He will admit to it if it help him. That’s the way of the world it seems.

    ———————-

    Yeah, a part of me almost thinks they wanted Braun more than Arod after the dog and pony show he put on. I think almost everyone doubted Braun from the start… or maybe it was just us cynics.

  131. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Donny
    C’mon, there is a lot wrong with not releasing the details to the public.
    The fans want to know. The fans need to know.
    The league should do the right thing but of course lawyers and tens of millions dollars
    are involved, so the public gets to enjoy another s**t sandwich, courtesy of MLB.

  132. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    If they can only toss Tex somehow…
    ===============
    Tex is a known Juicer.

    Mark Teixeira « juicepress.com
    juicepress.com/teixeira/?

  133. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    . I just don’t see the point in pretending like A-Rod isn’t a heel. He is.

    —————-

    Is he a heel or his just a athlete living in modern times. Sports cheer great players that were womanizers, adulterers, cheaters, drug users, etc. Ty Cobb is praised and the man was a full blown bigot.

  134. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    If Alex is too injured to play the remainder of the season and doesn’t appeal an upcoming suspension , he can start serving it while on the DL, a loophole in the system.

    ___________

    A loophole that likely factors into a plea bargain deal.

  135. eb03 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Alex is figgedy fooked.

  136. Hassey July 22nd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    as with every other major sport, if my favorite team is not in the playoffs, I do not care about anything else happening to that league or sport

    who cares about Braun getting suspended…call me when the Yankees are a contender again

  137. Nick in SF July 22nd, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    It would be in the Yankees’ best interests if Nelson Cruz accepts a partial plea bargain and is suspended from batting during this series but is still allowed to play defense.

    In other news, “Ryan” has now been crossed off the list of potential Royal Baby names.

  138. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    And you know, I’m fine with A-Rod fans. He’s been a supreme athlete. He’s graceful to watch. He’s had an exciting career.

    But there is legitimate baggage with the guy. Not recognizing that is silly.

  139. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Verducci is an ass.

    ————–

    Can’t stand him a all smh.

  140. Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Has their been an ARod sighting today?

  141. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Of course since the Brewers are owned by a blind trust-cough, cough–Bud treated one of their players equally.

    The best we Yankee fans can hope for at this point is Alex is smart enough and his doctors helpful enough to prove permanent disability. It may not save cap calculation money, but it would return real money Hal would no doubt use to make we fans happy.

  142. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    YT,

    The way it works is the Rangers get Garza for our series and lose Cruz after it. It defines the year.

    ————–
    Austinmac

    It just figures! :(

  143. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    I just don’t get how anyone can root for arod.
    Sure win a game with a hr its fine , but its tainted.
    The game is tainted, its slipping in popularity, teams are losing money.
    They have no choice but to try to clean it up.
    I don’t think this will be enough to do that…

  144. DONNYBROOK July 22nd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    All the fans need to know is that MLB is doing all it can to keep The Game clean. The integrity of The Game is what is crucial. The nuts and bolts of this investigation is National Enquirer stuff. You cheat, your gonna be caught, and your gonna pay a price. That is the message that is being trumpeted by MLB this day.

  145. RayVT July 22nd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    In other news, an Asian team is ready to sign ARod, Braun, Colon, Cruz to 1 yr or more deals to play overseas! LOL! It would be funny if Cruz was suspended in a few days & Manny R replaces him in Texas.

  146. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Yeah, that’s a particular feature of complexity, when there are contradicting views regarding a subject. Glad you recognize it?

    A-Rod has lied, and cheated, and done harm to the Yankee team of the future with this forthcoming suspension. I mean, why do we need to pretend like it doesn’t matter? If this game matters at all to you or your free time, I don’t see how a key figure in franchise history acting like a total ass doesn’t matter.

    That doesn’t mean I want the Yankees to lose. That doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy 2009 (a great overall team). I just don’t see the point in pretending like A-Rod isn’t a heel. He is.
    _

    Let’s stipulate that A-Rod cheated because he admitted it after his 4th Amendment rights were violated when the list sealed under court order was leaked.

    Do you really think that there was no prior information to people in the know in MLB that he probably was cheating? That Texas clubhouse in the early ’00s was like Venice Beach in Cali in the ’80s.

    So even if we ignore the fact that giving a 10 year contract to a player entering his age 32 season is ridiculously dumb, especially since it meant ignoring the sound advice of the GM (see, I get complexity. I can both criticize and praise Cashman), why would you give such a ridiculous contract to someone like that?

    The buck always stops with the decision-makers.

    Again, as long as we are stuck with him, I want him to do well. If you can get rid of the contract and shift the money to more productive assets, let’s do it!!!!

  147. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    The game is tainted, its slipping in popularity, teams are losing money.

    —————-

    I wonder why that is.

  148. eb03 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    it

  149. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    . I just don’t see the point in pretending like A-Rod isn’t a heel. He is.

    —————-

    Is he a heel or his just a athlete living in modern times. Sports cheer great players that were womanizers, adulterers, cheaters, drug users, etc. Ty Cobb is praised and the man was a full blown bigot.
    ——-

    Ty Cobb is the ultimate example, he’ll always trump A-Rod because of his racism.

    I mean, you can have both. Babe Ruth wasn’t perfect either. Miggy ain’t perfect. I just think this should be recognized, and talked about. You can like someone’s work, and disapprove of the way they’ve lived their life.

    I just don’t like fans of any sport so willing to ignore and forgive for entertainment sake. Particularly football.

  150. eb03 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    it’s about time we accept that this season is over for the yankees.

  151. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Again, as long as we are stuck with him, I want him to do well. If you can get rid of the contract and shift the money to more productive assets, let’s do it!!!!
    ————-

    Fair enough

  152. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    I wonder why that is.
    ==============
    AAO-Why do you think it is?

  153. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    MLB won’t let Arod duck the suspension on the DL. The difference between Braun and Alex is Braun is currently on the field, so the penalty carries weight. It’s hilarious to think Arod can just hide out on the DL and serve his suspension there. There’s just no way after all this MLB dishes out an empty penalty.

    This guy will be lucky to see another game in pinstripes.

    Medical retirement is my prediction.

    Again, it’s not about the medicine, it’s about the negotiations with insurers.

    Once again, the Yankees are a multi-billion dollar corporation. There is no such thing as insurance fraud for them. They are a paying customer. They are entitled to negotiations if you will. Wink wink.

  154. JimK July 22nd, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Can we start singing “Goodbye Arod?”

  155. kd July 22nd, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    my two cents: a large percentage of players from the 90′s to the mid 2000′s used. maybe even 75% or more. arod was just one of them, but arguable the best of the bunch. he hit home runs off of pitchers who were juicing. it doesn’t make it right. it is what it is. manny, papi, etc essentially got away with it. arod’s not so lucky. he’ll just have to go home and get a hug from his millions of dollars

    i also don’t think that biogenesis was the only place where players went to get PEDs. this group just got caught, similar to the mitchell report.

  156. Triple Short of a Cycle July 22nd, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    I so hope Chris Davis is on that list

  157. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    I hope Davis is not.

  158. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    The best we Yankee fans can hope for at this point is Alex is smart enough and his doctors helpful enough to prove permanent disability.
    ——————–

    If Alex needs a total hip replacement for a avascular necrosis of his hip joint, ala Bo Jackson, that would serve as a “permanent”, not being able to continue playing Major League Baseball, disability. Continued pain without structural damage won’t get him a “doctor’s note.”

  159. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    I agree with kd.

    Later.

  160. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 6:42 pm
    Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    . I just don’t see the point in pretending like A-Rod isn’t a heel. He is.

    —————-

    Is he a heel or his just a athlete living in modern times. Sports cheer great players that were womanizers, adulterers, cheaters, drug users, etc. Ty Cobb is praised and the man was a full blown bigot.
    ——-

    Ty Cobb is the ultimate example, he’ll always trump A-Rod because of his racism.

    I mean, you can have both. Babe Ruth wasn’t perfect either. Miggy ain’t perfect. I just think this should be recognized, and talked about. You can like someone’s work, and disapprove of the way they’ve lived their life.

    I just don’t like fans of any sport so willing to ignore and forgive for entertainment sake. Particularly football.

    ——————

    I see where you’re coming from.

  161. DONNYBROOK July 22nd, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    My guess would be that when A-Rod had that meeting with the MLB Gum Shoes, they told him they would negotiate with him, but there was no way in hell they would do so and allow him to suit up in a MLB Game. Do that and we will blow the lid off this thing Publicly. Hence, A-Rod comes up with the Quad Quandry, just as his rehab clock expires

  162. Tyler July 22nd, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    I root for what they accomplish on the field. They are all talented guys in that right. I don’t root for them as role models and people who do are bound to be disappointed. Maybe a guy like Rivera is a rare counterexample but these guys are as flawed as anyone else in their personal lives.

  163. Tyler July 22nd, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Cubs get Olt for Garza. I bet they win a World Series in 5-7 years. Theo is accumulating an amazing minor league system.

  164. Yankee Trader July 22nd, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Freddy Galvis, a Philly, served his suspension while on the DL- loophole in the system.

    Read:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ist-061912

  165. Hans Davenport July 22nd, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    This from Roto World

    Ryan Braun has been suspended without pay for the remainder of the season for violating MLB’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. The first big shoe to drop in the Biogenesis investigation, Braun has agreed to accept the suspension and will not appeal

    Its under the JDA and he has said he will not appeal.

  166. Hans Davenport July 22nd, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    I hope Davis is not

    Agreed.

  167. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:44 pm
    I wonder why that is.
    ==============
    AAO-Why do you think it is?

    —————————-

    They have done a poor job creating new stars. Their lack of marketing of the game has come back to bite them in the butt and the lack of offense plays a role as well. Is it a coincidence that interest in the game has waned over the past few yrs with offense declining around the league. Fans like power and HRs.

  168. Giuseppe Franco July 22nd, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    kd echoes my sentiments as well.

  169. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Stars create themselves.
    Market a game that people deem fraudulent?

    “with offense declining around the league. Fans like power and HRs.”

    maybe the drug policy is working.

  170. JimK July 22nd, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Rich, there is no 4th amendment violation here; the 4th amendment protects individuals against the government, not their employer. HIPAA maybe

  171. tbone1570 July 22nd, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Warning Track Power July 22nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    C’mon, there is a lot wrong with not releasing the details to the public.
    The fans want to know. The fans need to know.
    The league should do the right thing but of course lawyers and tens of millions dollars
    are involved, so the public gets to enjoy another s**t sandwich, courtesy of MLB.

    **********************************************

    I think the confidentiality provisions of the JDA prevent MLB from announcing specifics as to the reasons for the suspension. That means it would be up to the player the release the specifics behind the suspension. Of course, the way the commissioner’s office leaks, we’ll find out something soon.

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock July 22nd, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Tyler July 22nd, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    I root for what they accomplish on the field. They are all talented guys in that right. I don’t root for them as role models and people who do are bound to be disappointed. Maybe a guy like Rivera is a rare counterexample but these guys are as flawed as anyone else in their personal lives
    ///

    Well said, Tyler. And this is so obvious, that I would say that any adult who thinks sports figures should be held to a higher standard, or that they occupy some “higher” moral ground because they can hit a 95 mph fastball or throw one, or that these talents give them access to be “better” people, well all I can say is, those folks have a very superficial grasp of human nature. It’s no surprise, then, that the same people go from idolizing athletes to demonizing them when they “disappoint.”

    I would say they don’t know much about the human heart of darkness and of light, or that one heart can house both. They probably don’t have much insight into their own, otherwise, they wouldn’t need to elevate these people so high in order to bash them down when they falter.

  173. mick July 22nd, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    they wouldn’t need to elevate these people so high in order to bash them down when they falter.
    ==============
    and you are so above that , right?
    feel free to not answer…

  174. Duh Innings II July 22nd, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Even though Braun can’t be stripped of his MVP award, that award might as well be as it will be forever tainted.

    Here’s to A-Rod being banned for an even longer time if not for life so the Yanks can collect 80% of his salary in insurance money!

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