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Postgame notes: “I wish I had an excuse”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 22, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Jonny Gomes, CC Sabathia

The Yankees didn’t have a single extra-base hit, and they were ultimately beaten by the last of three Red Sox home runs. There are obvious limitations to this Yankees offense, but that wasn’t the biggest problem tonight.

“We didn’t struggle today,” CC Sabathia said. “We scored seven runs. And not being able to win that game is unacceptable.”

Sabathia had another bad one tonight, and his evaluation of what’s going wrong was pretty cut and dry.

“I suck,” he said. “I wish I had an excuse or something. … It’s embarrassing. I’ll just try to get through it. Figure something out and try to stop hurting this team and (start) helping.”

Sabathia allowed the first two Red Sox homers, and for the second start in a row he couldn’t pitch out of the sixth inning. He’s allowed 15 runs — 10 earned — in these past two starts, and he’s already allowed more home runs this season than ever before in his career. He said the last time he could remember struggling like this for an extended period of time was the beginning of 2008 when he was with Cleveland. He had a 3.83 ERA during that time frame. He has a 4.37 this year.

“Obviously he’s a superstar pitcher,” Chris Stewart said. “And anytime he goes out there and only goes five innings, when we’re used to him going eight or nine innings for us, to not get out of the sixth is something we’re not used to. The velocity’s starting to come back. It’s not like the velocity hasn’t been there in these past couple starts. … It’s just missed pitches. He’s leaving pitches out over the plate, and for some reason they’re not missing them. It’s not like he’s missing with a whole lot over the plate and he’s getting away with some, it’s that he’s left a couple there, and they’re just not missing them. It’s unfortunate that that’s the way it’s going, but hopefully he can get back to living on the edges, throwing strikes with everything.”

Joe Girardi said that Sabathia has “got to straighten it out,” and Sabathia said basically the same thing. He said — once again — that he’s perfectly healthy, and he thought his arm slot was better today. He just made costly mistakes, and that’s happened too many times this season.

“As long as I’m healthy and feeling good, I feel like I can help this team,” Sabathia said.

Robinson Cano, David Ortiz• This was the Yankees fourth walk-off loss of the year, and only their second loss when scoring five runs or more. They’ve generally taken advantage of good offensive games, obviously they didn’t tonight.

• Last time the Yankees were held without a home run in a series of any length at Fenway Park was a one-game series in 2006. Last time they were held homerless in three games or more at Fenway was in August of 1995.

• Despite the seven runs, the lineup had plenty of its own short-comings. The Yankees left 12 men on base, and Lyle Overbay — who had been terrific lately — went 0-for-6. “When you leave a small village on the basepaths, it’s frustrating for me personally,” Overbay said. “We had chances to win that game, a lot of chances.”

• It’s worth noting that Eduardo Nunez was clearly safe — but called out — stealing second base in the 11th inning. “I could see it from 150 feet,” Girardi said.

• Robinson Cano extended his hitting streak to 12 games. He was one of three Yankees (also Nunez and Brett Gardner) to record three hits. Gardner was on base five times. Five different Yankees reached base at least three times, six if you count Ichiro Suzuki for reaching on a first-inning error.

• Gardner is now tied with Mickey Mantle for the ninth-most stolen bases in Yankees history. This was the third time in his career that he reached base five times in a game.

Ichiro Suzuki, Eduardo Nunez• The Yankees relievers combined for 9.1 scoreless innings in this series before Adam Warren gave up the walk-off homer. Tonight, Preston Claiborne, Boone Logan, Dave Robertson and Shawn Kelley went five scoreless with 10 strikeouts and one hit.

• Girardi said he has no timetable on Alex Rodriguez. “He’s going to be out for a while, so we’ll just deal with it and continue to play,” Girardi said.

• Final word to Girardi: “We’re not hitting a lot of home runs right now. Some of our guys that we expected to hit some of the homers are struggling a little bit. When you get seven runs, you expect to win, that’s the bottom line. Last year everyone thought we hit too many home runs. Now we’re not hitting enough. We scored seven runs. That’s the bottom line.”

• I’ll be leaving for the airport in a little more than two hours. Who’s coming with me?!

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97 Responses to “Postgame notes: “I wish I had an excuse””

  1. Nick in SF July 22nd, 2013 at 2:07 am

    Other than that, how was your birthday?

  2. Hans Davenport July 22nd, 2013 at 2:18 am

    He looks older then 33. Its excruciating to watch him work out there. Painful.

  3. Hans Davenport July 22nd, 2013 at 2:18 am

    Other than that, how was your birthday?

    Like asking Mrs. Lincoln how she liked the play.

  4. Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 2:27 am

    It is what it is, at least for now. Maybe by next season he figures out how to maximize his remaining stuff and/or he gets a little arm strength back as more time passes from his elbow surgery.

    There can be a silver lining within this season if they face reality and start selling to shorten the time when they can be really good again.

    I just hope they see that and don’t try to fool the fans.

  5. jacksquat July 22nd, 2013 at 3:20 am

    The last two articles start with talk of small ball and singles, but like Girardi said, bottom line they scored 7 runs. The entire story tonight is CC. It’s going to be very tough to say the least to compete with the #1 pitching like a #4.0

  6. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 6:02 am

    I agree CC, right now the suck, and are hurting this team.

    All it would have taken is 1 hit by Overbay, and the outcome would have been different.

    That call at 2nd base in the 11th inning is so wrong, there is no excuse for the ump to miss it. Clearly, a need for replay in baseball is past due. These umps need to be held accountable for missing such calls.

  7. sunny615 July 22nd, 2013 at 6:55 am

    don’t forget to thank Lyle “rally killer” Underbay for his craptastic performance last night.

  8. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 7:04 am

    Bojo,

    The rotation is built around this guy. They’re going to continue to build around CC. And you want them to turn around and rebuild the staff around 2 guys who have been inconsistent for how many years? Hughes and Joba will definitely be dealt. My only question this whole deadline is will Kuroda and Gardner? I mean how about putting some value guys on the line instead of pawning off junk?

    I’m rooting for a strategic sell off phase where they reload in-season. They’re not going to be able to reload by trading Hughes and Joba.

    Hughes + Betances might get you Prado but that’s about the extent of how much this team can add.

  9. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 7:19 am

    By the same token, if CC were to be dealt, they have to have a plan to build around someone else other than 2 guys who have been inconsistent for however many years in Hughes and Joba.

    Teams have asked about Cano and he’s a big name even though his contract status probably has something to do with that but I wonder if a team like LAA would try for CC, offering a package centered on Trumbo and a few minor leaguers.

    The rumor the Yankees were dangling JR Murphy sounds pretty absurd at the moment. It’s a move an aggressive buyer would make, not a strategic seller.

    Cashman has in the past admired the Red Sox front office.

    Did he pay attention to how they dealt last year and seemed to reload in-season? Granted their farm is better and they had some good fortune with Lackey rebounding and journeyman like Carp hitting .300 with the help of IGF-1 for the whole clubhouse led by a 40 year old hitting as well as he did in his prime years, but so what if it takes the Yankees 2 years instead of one.

    Look around you Brian Cashman.

  10. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Jesus, the red Sox did not “re-load” in mid-season. They GUTTEd the team and went on to post a 69-93 record and miss the post-season for the third year in a row.

    If that’s what you are advocating, fine. But at least know what you’re suggesting. Boston spent two years trying to make acquisitions to remain a post-season team and it failed so the blew it up.

    Seeing how the Yanks have missed the post-season once in 18 years the situations are not even remotely comparable.

  11. Doreen July 22nd, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Frankly, I think you play out the season hoping for he best and do The work in the off season. They will not be able to get good value in-season, considering their best peces are free agents, and also considering that too many teams are still looking at a wild card spot.

    If CC can’t figure it out, if Andy can’t figure it out, they are done, but for a change of luck, all of which has been bad this season. Even if you are of the opinion that you make your own luck, this season as been historically unlucky.

    They really can no longer say that reinforcements are coming soon. Who knows if or when Jeter and/or ARod will return or if they’ll really be productive if/when they do? Even if Granderson makes it back “before August,” it will take some time for him to acclimate after missing pretty much the whole season, and Granderson can’t save the season alone.

    They can’t trade for what they need right now. And I don’t want them to make moves they will be sorry for in an attempt to salvage a season that the baseball gods have clearly made a proclamation on. Play on, do your best. If they make the playoffs with what hey have they will deserve accolades. If not, they will have the entire off season to try and work out exactly what they want. I don’t want desperate decisions to save a virtually unsalvageable season.

    That they have survived thus far is a testament to their will, and their bullpen. But I’m not sure Girardi can take any more bad news. The guy looks worn out.

  12. blake July 22nd, 2013 at 7:41 am

    Tough loss…..anytime this team scores 7 runs and loses that’s tough. They can’t do that……they have to win essentially every game in which they score more than 3 runs if they want to have a chance.

    CC has to be better or they are done …. They are probably done anyway….. But they have no chance if he isn’t better

  13. Doreen July 22nd, 2013 at 7:43 am

    86w183,

    Good post.

    Not to mention that the Red Sox benefitted from a newly minted Dodgers team looking to acquire talent, AND had to do something to correct the chicken and beer stuff. The Yankees do not have the same issue, where there is any indication of guys phoning it in or bad vibes in the clubhouse. And all that went on gave them carte Blanche with their fanbase to “blow it up.”

  14. Hassey July 22nd, 2013 at 7:43 am

    NOW is it safe to say that this current collection of Yankees sucks?

  15. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 7:45 am

    If CC is healthy he’s signed for four more years so he better not be “done”.

    They keep teetering on the buyer/seller point without making it clear which is the better way to go at this point. I am convinced they have virtually no chance of post-season play without at least two added bats and I agree with Doreen that counting on A-Rod, Jeter or Granderson is pointless.

  16. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 7:45 am

    I admire CC as both a Man and as a competitor.

    He doesn’t make excuses or shirk responsibility.

    That said, he really let the Team down last night.

    Even a marginally decent start would have resulted in a win.

  17. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 7:47 am

    86,

    The Red Sox did NOT gut their team. I make the comparison because the Red Sox were strategic sellers and that template worked for them. They did not have a fire sale per se. How can you say that when they kept together a core of guys like Pedroia and Ellsbury, Buchholz and Lester? They trimmed the fat and returned to contention the very next season. The Yankees can do something similar except we can probably reload in-season if we offer up players like Kuroda and Gardner. If we started trading guys like Cano and CC, that would be more of a fire sale.

  18. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 7:48 am

    We can gnash our teeth about CC all we want and he has been awful.

    But the story of this team is pathetic offensive productivity. They have scored four runs or fewer in TWO-THIRDS of their game, which is historically bad. Overbay, who’s actually been a pleasant surprise had one of the worst days in the history of baseball last night — oh-for-six while hitting into TWO DP.

  19. sunny615 July 22nd, 2013 at 7:49 am

    I guess you guys really are the Bronx Bunters. Bunch of worthless scrap heap players…

  20. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 7:49 am

    And I think we all know what the chances of that happening are.

  21. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 7:51 am

    86-

    We should find out in fairly short order.

    I do not want them to overpay for marginal improvements.

    If they can fix their weaknesses in a relatively equitable manner great.

    I hope they move Hughes, Joba, and anyone else who they think they can spare.

    And it would be very interesting if they became sellers. But I do not see them doing that.

  22. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Jesus —

    Gutting a team doesn’t mean they traded the entire roster. Use your head.

    When you deal your highest paid players for a bucket of spit, two bags of hair and some fingernail clippings you are gutting your team.

    That’s how you go 69-93 with one of the five highest payrolls in the game.

  23. sunny615 July 22nd, 2013 at 7:52 am

    You guys are dreaming if you’re going to find anyone to take on CC’s contract while he sucks this hard. $20+ M per year for a 4.37 ERA pitcher? Pfeh, they could get a 4.37 ERA pitcher in their AAA teams and cost nothing. The Dodgers took all those Sux players and their salaries. Name one team who’ll risk taking on CC’s alone.

    Didn’t think so. And the Yanks aren’t going to pay a chunk of CC’s salary to go play for another team.

  24. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 7:53 am

    CC was throwing up to 94 early in the game. I expected better.

    To those who want to sell, there isn’t much that will bring back value. Another depressing fact. It is Cano and then guys with little value.

  25. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 7:53 am

    I believe what you’re getting from CC is what you can expect to see going forward.

    This is the ideal time to trade CC to a team like the Dodgers for all you can get. LA has the money, and if they feel CC could put them over the top, they may be willing to make a very good offer.

    After all, pitching in the NL West is a lot easier than the AL East, so CC might do much better there.

    I disagree that this team will be built around CC, he’s on a downward trend since the latter part of last season, just one more bad contract coming back to bite the Yankees in the A**.

  26. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 7:54 am

    If you choose the route of a buyer, you’re begging teams to give you a useful bat for Hughes, Joba and JR murphy. And when you fail you complain to your fans in the press.

    If you’re a strategic seller, you lay out the merchandise Kuroda, Gardner, Hughes, Logan and Joba and you make like a Philly cheese steak and ask for top prospects for guys like Michael Young. Then you send other GM’s complaining to their fans about high prices.

    Which would you rather be, Brian Cashman?

  27. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Mac-

    Kuroda would net a huge return.

    At least an elite prospect.

  28. LGY July 22nd, 2013 at 7:56 am

    How good has Brett Gardner been this season.

    113 OPS+ with excellent defense. Phenomenal.

  29. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I thin Kuroda has a no-trade.

    MLBTR reports the Yankees are interested in Soriano. Please, no. Another salary for next year’s books who is over the hill. Great strategy.

  30. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 7:58 am

    86,

    The Red Sox did NOT gut their team. How do you gut your team and the very next season vault to the top of the American League? Use YOUR head.

    The front office engineered a strategic selloff.

    They parted with guys who were not part of their long term plans and kept a core of guys who would be needed to stay competitive. They obviously surrounded them with complimentary pieces and they needed only one off-season to do it. We have an offseason plus a trading deadline to reload.

    The trick is to determine the core of guys we need to compete, which likely includes both CC and Cano.

    The rest should be up for grabs.

  31. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Mac-

    COTS does not show one for this season.

    Not sure if he does or doesn’t have one ?

  32. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:00 am

    I won’t complain if they decide to sell off impending FA and I mean any and all of them.

    Kuroda and Cano should bring excellent returns. Hughes should as well. Joba and Logan probably a little less.

    Youkilis and Granderson have virtually no value at this point in time and CC, Mariano and Andy aren’t going anywhere.

  33. Hassey July 22nd, 2013 at 8:02 am

    With the latest reinjuries and DL delays and August knocking, I have come around to agree to trade Kuroda and everyone not nailed down

    Anyone see nix lately?

    With yanks fading Does giro still get MoY?

  34. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:02 am

    They’re going to build around Cano so get that idea out of your head. There’s no other bat to build around.

  35. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am

    86-

    Thing is even if they fall off the face of a cliff I don’t see this Team as big sellers.

    They just don’t seem to do it.

    As to the “why” I have no answer.

  36. blake July 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Gardner has been pretty much what was expected by many if he could stay healthy…..nice to see.

    I don’t think Sabathia is done by any stretch….I think he’s just in an adjusent period right now where he’s having to learn how to get outs with a different set of weapons than he used to. He will figure it out…..it’s just come at a bad time for the team given that most nights they can’t score

  37. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am

    MTU -

    The Yankees will not trade Kuroda, I’m sure they are hoping he’ll come back for one more season, although I doubt it given this season. Although Kuroda does not have a no-trade, he would most likely not agree to a trade, and simply return to Japan.

    CC is done, over, just look at the end of last season, and how he’s doing this season. He’s giving up way too many HR’s, his ERA and WHIP are way up, just stick a fork in him, he’s done!

  38. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am

    I know Cot’s doesn’t show a no trade, but he has always had one in the past so I would be surprised if he doesn’t but who knows.

    Have you noticed it is regularly reported that such and such hasn’t happened since whenever? Generally, not a good thing. Such as today, the first time since 1967 they have gone six games without a homer. That’s 46 years.

  39. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:04 am

    On a positive note —-

    Betances was really good again. Two innings, one hit, four strikeouts.

    That’s ten straight scoreless outings covering 18 innings. In those he’s allowed just nine hits, struck out 28 and walked eight.

  40. Hassey July 22nd, 2013 at 8:04 am

    CC already looking forward to retirement as a manhattan handsome cab

  41. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:06 am

    If you’re a buyer, teams are looking to pluck guys like Betances and Murphy.

  42. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Just dropping in to say Luis Cruz has a 1 wRC+.

  43. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Luis Cruz could be the poster boy for the team. He plays daily hitting under .150. Why?

  44. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Al-

    Unless the Yankees pull several seriously big rabbits out of their hat I would actually like to see them become sellers rather than just muddling thru.

    At this point I am content to see which direction Fate leads them in.

    We should know where we are at after the next 2 series.

    If they do poorly in them it’s turn out the lights time.

  45. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:09 am

    What makes this year different is that it’s been a long time since the Yanks were in such bad position at the trading deadline.

    In 2008 when they missed the playoffs, they were 4 1/2 games out of first place but just 1 1/2 games out of the Wild card on July 31.

    Unless they have a great ten days they will be significantly further back on July 31 this year.

  46. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 8:10 am

    blake -

    An adjustment period, really! Look at CC’s number from late last season to now, all trendind downward, he is done, over-the-hill, finished. At best he’ll be a #4 or #5.

    Bartolo Colon, at his age, is 10 times better than CC at this time. Another bad contract that will keep this team from making the necessary moves in the future to return this team to a top notch AL East power.

  47. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:11 am

    86-

    We have plenty of really good relievers.

    Maybe we should trade 1 or 2 ?

    ;)

  48. RadioKev July 22nd, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Luis Cruz and Austin Romine are the worst non-pitchers in wRC+ with a minimum of 50 PA.

    Austin Romine has a -1 wRC+. I didn’t even know that was possible?

  49. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Why is Hafner still with this Team ?

    We dumped Boesch instead.

    How does that make sense ?

    :(

  50. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Before G. Love comes in here and does his “Cashman will use injuries as an excuse to do nothing” routine, I want to suggest… Why not use the injuries (Tex out, Arod likely out) as an excuse to become sellers? Why not just say look, this team couldn’t contend without these players and with all these injuries and we decided to trade Kuroda and reload with some younger guys. It was a tough decision but we feel like it’s time to hand over the staff to CC and the younger guys like Nova and Pineda with Banuelos and DePaula on the away blah blah blah we still feel strong about our rotation heading into the future.

  51. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Romine needs to be sent down to AAA ASAP. Can’t wait to see Cervelli again.

    They’re lucky Stewart has overachieved this season.

  52. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:16 am

    I don’t think anyone has a better collection of bullpen arms. If the Yanks were buyers that and catching depth are organizational strengths. It’s just hard for me to them being buyers.

    I believe CC is far from done. He’s been pretty bad for a dozen starts now, but I’m not giving up on him. He’s only 33. It might take him a year to get back to where he was before the elbow issues. Who knows?

  53. 86w183 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Gotta go do somethings

    Back later

    Have a day, all!

  54. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 8:18 am

    What I’d like to see is the Yankees get rid of all the trash Cashman brought in, and bring up players from AAA and let’s see if we have something there we can count on for the future.

    J.R. Murphy as your new C
    Musty as a 3B or OF position
    Betances as a 7th or 8th inning RP
    Pineda as a SP

    And whoever you feel might be a future position player worth looking at.

    Release Hafner, Cruz, Lillibridge for starters.

  55. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Al-

    Works for me but the Yankees won’t do it until Sept. callups.

    I favored seeing what Murphy could do for quite a while.

    Can’t be worse than what Romine has done. He’s just not ready. You’ll ruin him.

    Nah. He can hit but he doesn’t know the pitchers. etc.

    :)

  56. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 8:22 am

    CC is not the answer, he and Pettitte are a big part of the problem.

    Kuroda is the staff ace!

    Right now Hughes, Nova and Phelps are all better than CC, sad but true.

  57. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:23 am

    And this fella Mustelier is just a figment of everyone’s imagination.

    He doesn’t even exist.

  58. YES July 22nd, 2013 at 8:24 am

    This should be Cashman’s last year in the Bronx. The guy is an embarrassment to the organization. From his name calling of Alex in the media to his issues with his mistress a few seasons ago. The guy has had the largest payroll in MLB for years and has 1 World Series title for it. This team finds itself old, slow, and injury riddled with a modest at best Minor League system. Just why would anyone want this guy running their major league franchise is beyond me.

  59. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:24 am

    If you were to gut the rotation and sell CC, the best you could do right now is Trumbo + Conger and a couple minor leaguers we’ve never heard of.

    You might be able to acquire those same players with Kuroda.

  60. MG July 22nd, 2013 at 8:25 am

    CC really got hit hard last night and it was very surprising to me because he was throwing the ball very well in the 1st 2 innings.

    He’s putting way too many pitches center cut in the strike zone, that’s something he’s never really done before.

    His velocity has come back since early in the season and he’s pitching worse, that’s a sign to me that he’s lost some confidence more than anything else.

    This year may not get any better for him (or it could turn around in 1 start) but I don’t see a guy that is ‘done’, that would much more be the case if he was still throwing 89-90 with no location.

    Many pitchers, even Hall of Famers, have bad years and rebound the following year-the Yankees have tons of money invested in CC and aren’t likely to pay someone else to take his contract so they just have to be patient and wait for next year.

    This season is essentially over anyway, there isn’t anything they can do to put this team in contention other than hope the guys they have produce and that is looking more and more unlikely every day, particularly with the Rays on a roll and looking like they could run away with the AL East.

  61. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:27 am

    MG-

    In that case would you sell off any of our assets to begin reloading for coming years ?

  62. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 8:27 am

    The AL East will belong to the Rays and O’s for the near future, along with the Sux, if they can get better pitching.

    Folks, get use to it, the FO failure to make wise decisions over the past 3-4 years has severly damaged this team for years to come, and now lacking the willingness to spend will hurt that much more.

    BLOW IT UP!

  63. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Later

  64. comnsnse July 22nd, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Most on this blog are aware of what needs to be done.

    The enduring question is and will be who will do it given the lack of legitimate information as to who is running the franchise with respect to personnel decisions?

    Any successful enterprise has a chain of command, at the top being ownership or a CEO.

    You then hire professional and competent department heads to run the day to day business and let them do their jobs.

    The owners or CEO do not micromanage their employees on a daily basis on personnel decisions, their primary responsibility being financial.

    The problem here is exactly who is to blame for the mess of aging personnel with bloated contracts and a seemingly poorly functioning developmental program.

    Only ownership can clear this up in the minds of those (fans( who pay the bills either as season ticket holders or TV viewers paying for the service.

    Repeat, the only facet of a pro sports team in this case which an employee should be held accountable is the budget, and how to maximize its effectiveness.

    If his “department” fails you find someone else. The problem here is the continued obfuscation as to who are the responsible parties!

    Decisions have to be made on budgets, personnel both on the field and off, and at some point made clear to the fan base that supports this multi billion dollar enterprise.

    Or lose that support and potential income!

  65. Phranchise July 22nd, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Still completely dumbfounded on that pitch selection to Napoli in the 11th. Warren is not know as a k guy. He doesn’t have an overpowering fastball with movement. You put him in a spot to make a mistake to a dead fastball hitter when the worst thing is he walks with 2 outs if you try an offspeed pitch. He had nearly sized up the pitch before the homer. And this is on the back of having 2 strikes on him early in the game and call for a fastball again on the inner side of the plater where CC didn’t have his control. Shocker. Another homer. Stewart has been solid for sure and is obviously limited as a player, but those were two horrendous pitch selections.

  66. MG July 22nd, 2013 at 8:33 am

    MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:27 am
    MG-

    In that case would you sell off any of our assets to begin reloading for coming years ?
    ————————————-
    If Kuroda didn’t have a NTC then he is someone who could get back some prospects but there is no point in talking about it since none of us knows the 100% truth.

    Chamberlain and Hughes could be traded for sure since both are free agents to be

    Logan is a free agent, I think he’s pretty good but certainly is replaceable.

    Granderson has little or no value in a trade, IMO, because of the injuries-why would anyone pick him up for the stretch drive when he hasn’t played?

    Even if you did all of the above, you probably get a net of one guy who will produce at a major league level, is it really worth talking about as an improvement?

    I’d trade Hafner, Wells, Lillibridge, Cruz, etc, etc, etc for Matt Kemp or Joey Votto, do you think the Dodgers or Reds would do that? :)

  67. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Granderson has little or no value in a trade

    _________

    But Gardner does.

    And if Granderson takes the QO, then he would be locked up through 2014, which gives the yankees the same amount of years controlled as they have with Gardner.

    Next year Gardner is a rental.

  68. fantasygame101 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:37 am

    it is not overbay faults that he hits into 2 inning ending dp. It was against a lefty which he should be pinch hit for but they do not have another 1b, better yet a rh1b. Finally, the deficiency was expose so badly last night that hopefully will force them to make a move.

  69. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 8:38 am

    CC’s contract will be another one that they will be stuck with not much in return..lot of innings on that arm

  70. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:40 am

    When you approach the deadline with an eye for the future rather than as a last-minute opportunity to vault into playoff contention or dominance, it becomes much easier and you can be more flexible in your dealings.

    For instance, if you sell off Kuroda, you don’t need an impact bat from a major league roster. You just need an excellent package of prospects. Same goes for Gardner.

    And instead of trying desperately to get one useful bat, not even an impact bat with a package of Hughes + Joba + Murphy, you can just gun for the top prospects offered for Hughes and Joba. Same goes for Logan.

  71. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 8:41 am

    BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 8:27 am
    The AL East will belong to the Rays and O’s for the near future, along with the Sux, if they can get better pitching.

    Folks, get use to it, the FO failure to make wise decisions over the past 3-4 years has severly damaged this team for years to come, and now lacking the willingness to spend will hurt that much more.

    BLOW IT UP!

    ————————–
    agree 100%…saying anyone on the team could be traded says a lot about this team

  72. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:42 am

    When you feed team’s immediate needs at the trade deadline, you can reload with players that help you in the future.

    We obviously have too many needs to realistically fill at the deadline. So if you really want to capitalize and reload as Jeter and Arod age out (Tex to a lesser extent) and stay ahead of the game, this trade deadline becomes ultra-important for the future of this franchise.

  73. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Buster has provided the perfect cover story for the Yankees to become strategic sellers.

    ” We’ve had a incredible number of unfortunate injuries to many of our key players this season. Murphy’s law has been in full effect and never stronger. We have tried our best to
    compensate for the injuries but even many replacements have fallen victim. We have tried everything in our power to overcome and our players have played with heart and conviction.
    In the end, the injuries proved too many and too costly for us to succeed this season.
    We always wish to compete and our goal is always to be the very best we can be. In that regard we have decided to begin to sell some of our assets to start the process that will take us to # 28 and beyond. We appreciate the support and loyalty of our fans as they are the best fans in the World. We are committed to rebuilding this storied franchise and I promise you we will be back stronger than ever.”

    Signed,

    Hal Steinbrenner

  74. Phranchise July 22nd, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Yankees will have to be smart going forward and Hal will need to open up his purse. Things could be far worse and they looked bad the year closing the stadium. Here’s what they do have.

    Pitching :

    CC will still be effective, but a year off of the surgery etc I think he will return to form, it’s not like he’s ancient. A lefty even with dimished stuff can still be very effective.

    Pineda – we will see what he has, but he is very young and anything close to what he was in seattle would be huge

    Nova – another great younger arm, maybe getting back to where he was?

    Phelps – a 5th starter maybe, but a gamer and will be solid there

    Kuroda/Andy/Hughes – whomever. 1 of the 3 will be back at least.

    Minors – DePaula, Banuelos, Warren, Campos plus the other guys recently drafted.

    Starters at least they have depth.

    And then in the pen they have some arms still.

    Offensively they have issues, but with a healthy Tex and resigned Cano with Gardner at the top. You have 3 of your top 4 hitters there.

    The Sox as much as their in first shoudl be light years better than this Yankees team, yet they almost lost 2 of 3 at home. Bucholz will never be healthy and is a free agent. Lester has regressed the last few years. Started out well and now regressing again. And if we think Dubrount, Dempster and Lackey will continue to pitch like they have good luck. Lackey was losing stuff in LA before the injuries. Unless he is roided up this won’t continue. Pedroia is a free agent who will be signed, but they will lose Ellsbury (Bradley is no where as explosive) and then Ortiz just like our guys continues to get older so health will be an issue. So I don’t buy into the Sox are built to last either. The one thing they do have is more serviceable minor league players to contribute and a blue chip guy like Bogarets. But rarely do players burst onto the scene and carry a team. Think about how many years Cano took to develop.

  75. Tackelberry July 22nd, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Probably toughest loss of the season. If they had won, maybe ot would have jump started them. I had just said 2 seconds prior on the Napoli at bat. “please please don’t throw him a fastball. Walk him if you have to”, and boom, a 94 mph FB right there for him to crush. Ohwell, gotta like how this team battle back at least. Nunez looks like he may finally be finding his stroke. One thing I would so immediately though is DFA Hafner. He is finished!. All I see him do is trike out. Maybe draw a walk if he’s lucky. I’d rather let Neal or Mesa play. Can’t be any worse.

  76. Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2013 at 8:46 am

    How can we bounce back…?

  77. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 8:42 am
    When you feed team’s immediate needs at the trade deadline, you can reload with players that help you in the future.

    We obviously have too many needs to realistically fill at the deadline. So if you really want to capitalize and reload as Jeter and Arod age out (Tex to a lesser extent) and stay ahead of the game, this trade deadline becomes ultra-important for the future of this franchise.

    —————————–
    problem is Cash would have a hard time giving up on this team this year…have to admit he did put in OT trying to make this team stay in the playoff hunt

  78. NYYROC July 22nd, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Over the past 2 years or so, many here have discussed guys (Grandy, PH, Swisher etc.) who were soon to be FAs. The talk was that Cashman should either trade or extend them. He has done neither. As a result he has put the team in a bad spot…scrambling to find “value” in 1 year deals for old, “used to be ” players. I wonder if he and his pro scouts hurt their hands patting thmeselves on the back in April for “finding” Wells and Hafner?

    Whether he believes the team can win this year or not, he needs to trade the impending FAs to either make a run or strengthen the team for 2014+. Letting the FAs walk for a draft pick is next to worthless, given the NYY track record for drafting and developing. Plus any draft pick will take 3-5 years in the NYY system to make any impact.

    The clock is ticking.

  79. Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Hafner’s looked so bad that he’s making me appreciate Wells’ approach.

  80. ac1 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:50 am

    tackel i said the same thing when it got to 3-2. i wrote, walk him, do not give him a fastball.
    not two seconds after hitting send, there it goes…..

  81. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 8:50 am

    MTU….
    …………………..
    how’s it going with you and mans best friend

  82. Phranchise July 22nd, 2013 at 8:51 am

    And in an age where free agents are more limited or older players you need to keep your trade chips. So Hal will not be able to spend his way out in free agency. He will buy his way out by investing in what he has. I think you have to offer Hughes a 4 year deal and offer Grandy something. Hughes will excel in the NL if not here. If he is on a reasonable contract, young and mlb ready starter, he is a massive trade chip as you can eat some contract and get something in return. If you let him walk for a draft pick this year it is what it is, but gvien our minor league development again this year I don’t even trust if they landed a #1 pick we would get an impact player in the end.

  83. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 8:52 am

    still have a hard time understanding why R Martin wasn’t resigned and to a lesser extent Ibanez

  84. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 8:54 am

    have to believe Hughes would like to pitch in SD

  85. Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2013 at 8:54 am

    I tend to agree with blake on CC.. I’m going to think of this as his Mike Mussina 2007 season and hope we see him take a new and more effective approach for next year.

    They better be lobbying Kuroda every chance they get. Thinking about next year’s rotation without him is a bit terrifying.

  86. ac1 July 22nd, 2013 at 8:55 am

    still have a hard time understanding why R Martin wasn’t resigned and to a lesser extent Ibanez
    ___

    Because he hit .210 and under .200 for most of 2012.

  87. UpState July 22nd, 2013 at 8:56 am

    CC:…at least he ‘man’s-up’ when he sucks; appreciate that quality. (as opposed to when Joba got ‘lit-up’ repeatedly and still said he pitched good in his interviews.

    Hafner: seriously, it’s DL time to either get healthy and/or work on his mechanics & pitch selection

    RH 1B : we all know (and Overbay recognizes it) that we shouldn’t have him in against LHP. Really don’t understand why we don’t have even a ‘cast-off’ RH 1b from anywhere. Where’d that other Rivera clown go ?

    Kelly : gotta keep him; kinda non-descript, but someone we should keep

    Musty: If we’re hanging on to little Cruz – then there certainly must be ‘other issues’ with Musty that we’re not privvy to. If Musty is supposed to be so good – where the heck is he ? (taking injury into the equation)

    Alfonso Soriano: If 189 wasn’t a realty – don’t you think we’d take him off the Cubs hands regardless of contract ? 189 is why Cashman cannot acquire ‘good quality dumps’ (if that’s actually a real phrase)

  88. blake July 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am

    The Yankees should sell but they won’t…..

    Last nights loss was tough but in reality they did what they needed to do in Boston to survive and at least keep the division a possibility…..they won a game…..that’s the difference between being 7 back and being 9 back.

    Before the series started I said they had to win Kuroda’s start because the other two were probably gonna be losses ( that’s when I thought Lester was pitching ).

    The won a game….they survived….doesn’t change anything regarding all the holes they have….they are on life support….but still Alive

  89. Phranchise July 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Martin was an easy selection with Montero gone, it’s not like he cost a lot. Stewart has played light years better than anyone could ask for, he’s not a starter. Stability until Muprhy or Sanchez show up. No brainer. Romine has been hurt and his bat was always a question.

    Ibanez I get to an extent. Old, how many years, limited in the field. But they bring in Hafner, even more an injury concern and cannot play the field at all.

    And Swisher I get too. Loved the guy even with post season struggles. You can’t discount what his power and health made for this team for years. A stable player. But they needed to go in another direction somewhat and he was the easiest change.

    But then again you sign Ichiro for 2 years rather than 1?

    And then you get Wells for 2.

    Desperation?

    Only thing worse was if Drew did take your money. He is horrendous.

  90. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Joeman-

    The Mop still has one serious problem which is his left eye. It’s going in the right direction but slowly.

    In other areas his auto-immune lesions from the rabies shot are healing very well.

    If he doesn’t lose that eye and finishes the healing process I think we will consider ourselves
    blessed.

    I am improving as well along with him.

    Thank you for asking.

  91. Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2013 at 8:59 am

    It’s funny how the questions about Hughes have continued.. to come this far and still be torn, as I am, isn’t comforting lol.

  92. Shame Spencer July 22nd, 2013 at 8:59 am

    :arrow:

  93. joeman July 22nd, 2013 at 8:59 am

    I believe CC’s contract over the next 4 years is worth 96 mil

  94. MTU July 22nd, 2013 at 9:00 am

    New one ——>

  95. austinmac July 22nd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Joeman,

    The explanation why they didn’t re-sign their players is easy. Money.

    Al is right. The decision over the past three years will haunt for years to come.

    They are left with expensive declining players, few, if any, milb replacements on the horizon and an unwillingness to sign international or mlb free agents with any real costs.

    Either blow off the cap or go into a full sell mode.

  96. BIG AL July 22nd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    You don’t give up Gardner and re-sign Granderson, unless Granderson is willing to do a 1 year contract for $12M or less, he should be let go. Gardner is the future, you can’t keep trading away the youth in favor of guys on the downside of their career.

    Moves that could have been made, example -

    Beltran wanted to be a Yankee, but Cashman said no to him, more than once. The Cuban players available for $$$ only, Cashman makes no real effort, or offer, A Japanese SS that could have helped this team this season, Cashman not willing to make it happen. A small sample for sure, but, this and keeping our future CF, A-Jax have hurt the team.

    Oh well, it simple does not matter what any of us think or feel, the Yankees FO will do only what they think is necessary to keep making money, and to hell with the product on the field.

    Do not buy any tickets to games.
    Do not buy anything that provides a profit to the Yankees.
    Stop watching YES.

    Send a message, We are mad as hell, and will not accept the way this team is being run!

  97. comnsnse July 22nd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Albatross contracts with CC, Tex, Arod eating up more than one third of the 189mm.Now fill in the balance with the other 22 roster players?

    Can not do it without some youngsters from within or without under control until those three contracts disappear!

    Lean times they are a coming!

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