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Postgame notes: “We just haven’t been very good lately”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 22, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter

Derek Jeter has spent most of this season in Tampa, spending far too much time rehabbing an broken ankle and not nearly enough time watching this underwhelming Yankees lineup. But Jeter’s gotten a good look for the past the past few games, and the Captain isn’t satisfied with what he’s seen.

“We put way too much pressure on our pitching staff,” Jeter said. “It’s hard to pitch like that when we aren’t scoring runs for them. You feel as though you’ve got to be perfect. I’m not a pitcher, but I can only assume. I’ve been in situations where you feel like you’ve got to score 10 runs. It puts a lot of pressure on your offense. Right now there’s too much pressure on our pitching staff.

“We’ve got to find a way to score runs. That’s the bottom line. There’s no way to sugarcoat it. We just haven’t been very good lately. I’ve only been here for a couple of weeks so it’s kind of hard for me to address the entire season, but we’ve got to find ways to score.”

The Yankees didn’t score at all today. That’s what happens when a team’s only offense comes from a couple of walks, a hit batter and three singles. According to the Rangers media relations department, the Rangers are the first team since 1916 to throw consecutive shutouts of three hits or less against the Yankees (Derek Holland pitched a two-hitter at Yankee Stadium on June 27). Care to guess which team did it in 1916? According to Elias, it was the Red Sox, with Babe Ruth pitching a shutout in the second game.

“Once I knew it was Darvish (pitching for Texas today), the first thing in my mind was, you gotta keep your team close,” Ivan Nova said. “We’re not hitting well lately, and he’s a tremendous pitcher. I think I only threw one inning where I get 1-2-3. Every inning somebody get on base, and I was mentally trying to not let nobody score.”

Sure sounds like that’s what Jeter’s talking about when he says too much pressure on the pitching staff. What keeps manager Joe Girardi from ripping the lineup day after day?

“I see the effort,” Girardi said. “Look at the last inning; 14-pitch at-bat from our leadoff hitter? If he gets on and Ichiro gets a hit, now you’re facing Robbie Cano and it’s a different game. You look at the catch Luis Cruz made, he doesn’t come out of the game. The effort has been tremendous. … There’s only two things you can control in life; your preparation and effort. I’m getting that. I’m not going to get down on these guys, because I get that every day.”

Brett Gardner• Jeter did tee and toss today. He said he expects to take regular batting practice inside tomorrow. He’s also believes he’s scheduled to run tomorrow. Those would be firsts since the quad injury.

• Of course, Ryan Braun’s suspension — and what it might mean for Alex Rodriguez — has been a bigger topic of discussion than today’s game. “I was up here getting treatment in the first couple innings, and they weren’t even talking about the game (on television),” Jeter said. “They were just talking about the suspension. It’s unfortunate, because every time something like this happens, you’ve got to hear about it. It’s not a good thing. … It’s showing that the program MLB has is working. They’re really making an effort to clean it up. In that sense it’s good, but it would be a lot better if they were trying to clean it up and no one was getting suspended, you know what I mean?”

• CC Sabathia played with Braun in Milwaukee. “I’m shocked,” Sabathia said. “Just playing with him and knowing him, being around him. I never would have thought, but you never know.”

• What was Girardi’s first reaction when he heard the news? “That he was guilty,” Girardi said. “You don’t accept a deal unless you were guilty. It’s disappointing. It’s just another black eye for our game. I know this game is very resilient and there have been a lot of scandals over the years, but you get tired of it. … I would just like to see people do things the right way. The message to me is — and I think it’s a great message for kids — if you cheat and you lie, you’re eventually going to get caught.”

Ichiro Suzuki• As for today’s actual game, Ivan Nova went seven innings and allowed three runs. Not an overwhelmingly great start, but not a bad one either. He had a lot of base runners but generally limited the damage. “I don’t really like it,” Nova said. “Even though only three runs, I didn’t throw enough strikes, you know? I can’t command my curveball really good today. My fastball was off. I don’t have a feeling for my changeup. I don’t really like it.”

• Obviously Darvish is Darvish, and that plays into a game like this. If it weren’t for the fact the Yankees offense has played like this time and time again, it might be a little easier to tip a cap to the Rangers ace. “He just located real well and got ahead, and he didn’t give you much to work with,” Lyle Overbay said. “Toward the end, his velocity was getting down so you’re not too worried about the 88 mph slider and then the 97 (fastball), so you can sit back a little bit more. He was on his game tonight.”

• Also, it would be nice to excuse the Yankees for getting into Dallas around 6 a.m. They had to be worn out today. But again, there’s no room for excuses in a season like this. To the Yankees credit, they didn’t take that excuse. “Sometimes the schedule is not kind to you and your sleep, but it’s part of the baseball life,” Girardi said.

• Couple of questionable calls at second base, but again… “It’s part of it,” Girardi said. “We didn’t really score any runs, so we could have lost 2-0, 1-0. Some of those calls, you’d like them to go your way, but sometimes they don’t.”

• Final word goes to Girardi, who was asked what will help this team score more runs. “Getting more hits,” he said. “It’s not really a trick.”

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158 Responses to “Postgame notes: “We just haven’t been very good lately””

  1. Jesus Bustero July 22nd, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    Maybe by the time Arod’s timely quad heals his team of attorneys and doctors will have navigated through the 5 stages of death and loss and:

    a) developed a more crystallized plan to fight the penalty through appeals (Shock/Anger)
    b) determined the most viable path towards medical retirement (Denial)
    c) successful negotiated the best possible plea bargain (Bargaining)
    d) some combination of the above (Acceptance)

  2. UpState July 22nd, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Ed Lucas – Miami Marlins

    R/R …. 6-3 / 210

    Age 31… Primarily 3B

    also plays 2b / SS / 1B / LF

    138 AB….. 1-8……268 (.340 obp)

    Can’t be too expensive to get…..gotta be better than Cruz.

    Not a LT solution at third – but appears substantially better than what we have available now !

  3. tbone1570 July 22nd, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    Rich in NJ July 22nd, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Clairborne? Someone mentioned Kelley earlier today. Most non-Mo relievers have very variable careers. Also, Roberston is a FA after next years, so get value while you can.

    ***********************************

    OK, they’re not terrible options and they do fit into the “189? plan.

  4. Niblick July 22nd, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    It’s amazing how Joe continues to blow smoke up the asses of his non-performing players.

  5. Against All Odds July 22nd, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    UnKnown July 22nd, 2013 at 11:29 pm
    Sutcliff whining about PED use tonight and saying it’s disappointing that guys like Wally Joyner never got a chance to make more all-star games because of guys like Alex.

    In reality Wally was user himself, idiot Sutcliff. No one knows who did what and to steal a line from Girardi “That’s the bottom line.”

    —————

    That’s why I no longer ge so worked up about it because so many players used and many individuals that ppl think are clean guys were some of the biggest users.

  6. DAM23 July 22nd, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    I would think we’ll hear about suspensions soon. MLB needs to get this in and out of news all at once.

  7. DAM23 July 22nd, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    I think Joe is right. The effort is there, the players just stink.

  8. blake July 22nd, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    blake says:
    July 22, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    Nick in SF says:
    July 22, 2013 at 11:08 pm
    blake, when it comes to dental implants, do you use the one-stage or two-stage method?

    If you mean like placing the implant and waiting to put a crown on vs immediately loading it…..I’ve done both….a lot depends on the area you’re putting it in and how good the bone is. Two stage is safer especially in the back but sometimes you can get better esthetics doing a one stage in the front…..just depends on the patient and what you’re doing exactly

  9. blake July 22nd, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Niblick says:
    July 22, 2013 at 11:46 pm
    It’s amazing how Joe continues to blow smoke up the asses of his non-performing players.

    What’s he supposed to say? These players suck and can’t hit? It’s not that the players aren’t performing …..it’s that most of them aren’t any good and there isn’t anything Joe can do about that

  10. UpState July 22nd, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Washington Nationals:

    Ryan Zimmerman & Anthony Rendon

    How are they managing with these two sharing third base ?

    Either available ?

  11. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 am

    I doubt Zimmerman will play 3B much longer…..he can’t hardly throw

  12. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 am

    JimK July 22nd, 2013 at 11:26 pm
    Rich, I read your link and whether the court statement is privileged or not is based on the decision of the lawmakers, therefore it is not blanket immunity. Like everything else in law the answer is always “it depends:”

    The following link provides additional info on this topic:

    http://legal-dictionary.thefre…..nd+Slander
    __

    Well, that merely means that legislative bodies make laws, as we know.

    It is the general rule, however, with regard to court proceedings.

    I am not sure on the applicability to arbitration hearings.

    But if, for the sake of argument, it is actionable, because it would be about Dino Laurenzi’s profession, it would be libel per se, so general damages would not have to be proved.

  13. Niblick July 23rd, 2013 at 12:06 am

    Blake, he could say exactly what you have said. Be honest for the first time in his life.

  14. UnKnown July 23rd, 2013 at 12:10 am

    “We put way too much pressure on our pitching staff,” Jeter said. “It’s hard to pitch like that when we aren’t scoring runs for them. You feel as though you’ve got to be perfect. I’m not a pitcher, but I can only assume. I’ve been in situations where you feel like you’ve got to score 10 runs. It puts a lot of pressure on your offense. Right now there’s too much pressure on our pitching staff.

    “We’ve got to find a way to score runs. That’s the bottom line. There’s no way to sugarcoat it. We just haven’t been very good lately. I’ve only been here for a couple of weeks so it’s kind of hard for me to address the entire season, but we’ve got to find ways to score.”

    Leave it to the Captain to say what needs to be said. B.S. on this “Well the pitchers just can’t let them score more than 2 runs crap.” Offense needs to do it’s job. If not than we’re done.

  15. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Great hitting makes it a lot easier to pitch. That’s why I always hated the pitching wins canard. Now, if you have a staff of Matt Harverys, sure, but no one does.

  16. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Thanks, blake. I think my friend wants to know if it’s at all feasible for him or her to travel to someplace like Mexico City and have an implant procedure performed during a single visit or if it would take multiple trips.

  17. Jerkface July 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Tar,

    Ichiro is having a mediocre season WAR wise. I don’t care if he is doing better than Markakis because Markakis is having a bad year. The guys hitting on the Orioles are Davis, Jones, and Machado. Without those 3 they would not have the amazing offense they do. The Yankees don’t have a Davis, so having a slightly better than Markakis Ichiro is not helpful. And honestly, Markakis gets on base more so he would probably be more helpful *to the yankees* than ichiro is.

    Ichiro is -5 for his bat, -3 for his position, then +8 for base running + defense and then +10 for playing lots of games (its the replacement level adjustment). So essentially his entire WAR comes from the fact that he is a starter. His bat cancels out his defense and base running.

  18. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 am

    They are trying. No pep talk or lecture will cause these guys to hit. Neither will putting a lineup in a hat. I don’t want to hurt the team with a ridiculous Cano contract, but can you imagine the team without him? And no, Hal is not going out and signing McCann, Choo etc.

  19. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 am

    I thought his entire WAR came from Sapporo money. :neutral:

  20. UnKnown July 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 am

    Great hitting makes it a lot easier to pitch.
    ———-

    True but if this team could just get league average hitting it would win the East.

  21. igotid88 July 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Hope today is one of the high scoring days

  22. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I don’t fault Girardi, but this is the worst possible situation for a manager. A bunch of lousy declined veterans and virtually no kids with upside. Who wants to watch that, let alone manage it?

  23. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 12:18 am

    “True but if this team could just get league average hitting it would win the East.”

    Two of Pettitte, CC, Hughes would have to step it up.

  24. sammiejohnson July 23rd, 2013 at 12:18 am

    UpState July 22nd, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Washington Nationals:

    Ryan Zimmerman & Anthony Rendon

    How are they managing with these two sharing third base ?

    Either available ?
    ____________________________________________________

    Rendon is their 2b. He replaced Danny Espinoza at 2B early this season. Espinoza wasn’t hitting a lick. I don’t think either Zimmerman or Rendon would be available, and neither would be cheap if they were.

    And Blake is right. Zimmerman will probably move to 1B eventually. I think that might be why the Gnats stuck with their guns and only signed LaRoche to two years this winter when he wanted three. They knew they would need 1B for Zimmerman before long.

  25. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 12:19 am

    It seems clear to me Ichiro can still play, and on other teams could work, but for a team with no pop, a right fielder with a sub .700 OPS doesn’t work. It isn’t good that he and perhaps Wells are starters next year.

  26. Jerkface July 23rd, 2013 at 12:20 am

    And having Ichiro on the team is not a huge issue. Having him on the team as the starting RF as planned from the offseason is the huge issue. Did they think he was going to hit .330?

  27. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 12:21 am

    austinmac

    He can slap singles but he has no power and he doesn’t walk. The best way to utilize him now is as a LH v. LHP.

  28. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 12:21 am

    It’s having Ichiro as one of the top hitters on the the team that’s another issue.

  29. UnKnown July 23rd, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Also the narrative being that the players we have now are playing as well as can be expected might be true, but than by definition that means we’re toast right?

  30. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 12:27 am

    I don’t know, not all narratives are worthy of attention or rebuttal.

    The current roster, with this offense, is good enough to win games, but only in the sense that every roster in baseball is good enough to win some games.

    So the standard is not whether the squad can have nights where they string together 13 singles mixed in with some walks and bad opposition defense — any team can have such nights — it’s whether they can score runs with any kind of consistency to take advantage of good pitching performances.

    This roster can’t, clearly, so without reinforcements, yes, they are toast.

  31. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 12:34 am

    I’m no expert, but it is probably not a good sign to have a significant part of your offense made up of released players.

  32. berniebaseball July 23rd, 2013 at 12:42 am

    Girardi should accept some responsibility. Play Mesa & Neal.

  33. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 12:49 am

    jonmorosi
    Just left Brewers clubhouse. Sources there indicated Braun did NOT explicitly admit PED use in remarks to team.

    jonmorosi
    I asked Yovani Gallardo if he still believes Ryan Braun did not use PEDs. “Yeah, I do,” he said.

  34. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Can’t risk exposing Neal to injury or no Yankee would tweet thanks for seeing another day.

    As for Melky, have to wait for conclusion of Biogenesis investigation. Taint of scandal could spread from Melky to Melky.

  35. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Gallardo probably believes in the power of contact highs.

  36. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Too stupid and greed to sell:

    King: Yankees close to acquiring Alfonso Soriano
    By Mike Axisa
    Via George King: The Yankees are close to acquiring Alfonso Soriano from the Cubs. Chicago will pay the bulk of the $25M or so left on his contract through next season, and the money will be structured in such a way that Soriano has no impact on the 2014 luxury tax calculation, similar to Vernon Wells. King says the Yankees will be sending a mid-level prospect to the Cubbies.

    Soriano, 37, has ten-and-five no-trade protection, but he has indicated he will not veto a deal to return to New York in the past. He came into Monday’s action hitting .259/.289/.476 (103 wRC+) with 17 homers this season, including a 123 wRC+ against lefties. Following what has become an annual slow start, he’s put up a .300/.326/.744 (186 wRC+) line with ten homers over the last 30 days. The Yankees are desperate for power, particularly from the right side, so Soriano definitely fills a need. · (9) ·

  37. sammiejohnson July 23rd, 2013 at 1:15 am

    This just in from George and the NY Post:

    ARLINGTON — In dire need of a bat with thump and an indication the Yankees may believe that Alex Rodriguez isn’t going to play this season, the toothless Bombers are close to acquiring Alfonso Soriano from the Cubs, The Post has learned.

    They have got to be kidding.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....n8CCldxIEK

  38. sammiejohnson July 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 am

    Sorry Rich. Didn’t see your post first.

  39. Jerkface July 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 am

    As long as the prospect is no one of consequence, fine, whatever. Not really the fix they need. And now the 38 year old Soriano joins the broken down Wells and 40 year old Ichiro and 40 year old DJ and potentially 39 year old A-rod next season! Hooray!

  40. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 am

    That would have made sense in March/April/May instead of Wells.

    Now, it’s nauseating and a sign that this franchise is intent on never being great.

  41. Pat M. July 23rd, 2013 at 1:19 am

    I made reference to the Soriano situation a few hours ago as the issue was what The Cubs wouild pay and how much will they be getting in return. This is desperation at a very high degree by the NY Yankees. It’s as if their lives depend on making the playoffs this season and to hel with the future.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 1:19 am

    Thank God there are people with ethics and operating moral compasses!

    You know, sometimes I forget that some of the comments here do not at all typify the feelings around baseball from both fans and players. I’ve done a lot of reading on the Braun issue, and it seems that the only people still willing to close their eyes to the whole PEDS issue and would happily wish it away are basically here! Thankfully there are also people here who are very vocal in their opinions that this cheating has to end and that penalties should be even more harsh than they are.

    What heartened me the most was reading comments from some of the players in MLB.

    Skip Schumaker’s was one of the best. I think his parents would be so proud of him, and his son should be extremely proud of him:

    “Watching him talk right now makes me sick,” Schumaker said. “I can’t stand it. It needs to be eliminated from the game. I have an autographed Braun jersey in my baseball room that I’ll be taking down. I don’t want my son identifying what I’ve worked so hard to get to and work so hard to have, I don’t want him comparing Braun to me.

    “In my opinion, he should be suspended — lifetime ban. One strike, you’re out. It’s enough. It’s ridiculous,” Schumaker added. “He lied to a lot of people. I was convinced, after that MVP, that he didn’t do it.”

    _____________________________________

    Ryan Braun Reaction: Fed-up Players Feel ‘Cheated’

    By MIKE FITZPATRICK AP Sports Writer
    July 23, 2013 (AP)

    Jason Bay watched it on television, just like everyone else. Ryan Braun read that defiant statement out in Phoenix last year and insisted he was innocent.

    Then on Monday, the Milwaukee Brewers slugger accepted a 65-game suspension for unspecified “violations” of baseball’s drug program and labor contract.

    “I think for me what makes me mad,” said Bay, a Seattle Mariners outfielder, “they played his apology from spring training that year when he did the whole thing and it was very heartfelt — and basically it just kills all the credibility of anybody.”

    Reaction poured in from around the majors after Major League Baseball banned Braun without pay for the rest of the season and the postseason, the beginning of sanctions involving players reportedly tied to a Florida clinic accused of distributing performance-enhancing drugs.

    Braun, the 2011 NL MVP, dodged a 50-game penalty last year when an arbitrator overturned his positive test for elevated testosterone because the urine sample had been improperly handled.

    “I think everybody’s frustrated, especially the players. I think we all feel a little bit cheated,” Mariners pitcher Joe Saunders said.

    Los Angeles Dodgers utility man Skip Schumaker thinks Braun should hand over his MVP award to Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp, who finished second in the 2011 balloting.

    “Watching him talk right now makes me sick,” Schumaker said. “I can’t stand it. It needs to be eliminated from the game. I have an autographed Braun jersey in my baseball room that I’ll be taking down. I don’t want my son identifying what I’ve worked so hard to get to and work so hard to have, I don’t want him comparing Braun to me.

    “In my opinion, he should be suspended — lifetime ban. One strike, you’re out. It’s enough. It’s ridiculous,” Schumaker added. “He lied to a lot of people. I was convinced, after that MVP, that he didn’t do it.”

    Braun, struggling through an injury-plagued season, will miss Milwaukee’s final 65 games, costing him about $3 million of his $8.5 million salary. But his punishment probably won’t affect the Brewers’ playoff chances much — they were last in the NL Central at 41-56, already far out of wild-card contention.

    “I talked to a lot of the guys and we think the penalties aren’t harsh enough,” Saunders said. “They should step up the penalties even more. That will really set the tell-tale sign that if you cheat and do get caught, you’re going to lose a lot of money.

    “I think it should have been a year’s suspension, at least. Just my take on it. I don’t get why guys have to do that stuff.”

    Braun issued a statement Monday saying he’s not perfect and realizes now that he has made some mistakes. He apologized “to anyone I may have disappointed” and said he was happy to have the matter behind him “once and for all.”

    But that doesn’t mean there’s no fallout for others in the game.

    “It’s a sad day,” Los Angeles Angels manager Mike Scioscia said. “We went through some dark times in baseball when PEDs became very, very prevalent, and obviously they’re still being used — hopefully to a lesser degree. But there’s no place for them. It’s a black eye when something like this happens.”

    Bay thinks Braun could have handled his situation differently.

    If you look at the guys who have done stuff and just come out and admit it, a lot of guys don’t remember who those guys were,” Bay said. “But the guys who run up and down and say, ‘No, no,’ and then it gets drug through the mud 10 times worse, it makes it tougher on themselves and the rest of us.”

    It appears more penalties are coming, too.

    Braun was one of a dozen players targeted by MLB, including injured New York Yankees star Alex Rodriguez, following a report by Miami New Times in January that they had been connected with Biogenesis of America, a now-closed anti-aging clinic.

    “The guys that are cheating or whatever are taking something away from the other players. They’re lying to the fans, they’re lying to their teammates, they’re lying to their GMs, their owners, and they’re going to get caught,” Angels pitcher C.J. Wilson said.

    San Francisco Giants manager Bruce Bochy thinks MLB is “doing a great job” of attempting to clean up the sport.

    “I think it’s important for the integrity of the game. With the kids who are coming up to play baseball, it’s an important message to them, the fans, and also the players that do it right,” he said.

    Still, others can’t understand why PEDs remain an issue.

    “For these guys still to be involved with this stuff just baffles me. The education’s there and everybody knows what you can and can’t take,” Miami Marlins manager Mike Redmond said. “It baffles me that this continues to be a black cloud over the game. I know Major League Baseball’s done a great job of cleaning up the game and the testing policy and all that. And it’s working. But at the same time, too, it seems like we’ll go through a lull and then, bam, here comes another guy that gets suspended. It’s got to stop.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/w.....d-19742806

  43. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 1:23 am

    This is no longer a baseball team. It’s a carnival freak show.

  44. Pat M. July 23rd, 2013 at 1:29 am

    Rich in NJ……How ironic that if true Soriano is returning to The Yanks as A-Rod is departing ….Completes the circle I suppose

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 1:31 am

    “Following what has become an annual slow start, he’s put up a .300/.326/.744 (186 wRC+) line with ten homers over the last 30 days. ”

    This is bad?

  46. UnKnown July 23rd, 2013 at 1:33 am

    Happy to know that everyone being so vocal about Braun are such perfect people and never have done anything morally wrong in their lives. Or for that matter ever will. NOW I can sleep easier for sure. :roll:

    “only people still willing to close their eyes to the whole PEDS issue and would happily wish it away are basically here!”

    What an honor. :evil:

  47. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 1:38 am

    Soriano!!! He was exciting when he was thought to be 25.

  48. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 1:38 am

    Kind of fitting that they’d bring Soriano back to replace Arod. Kind of.

  49. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 1:40 am

    Pat

    Who can we bring in to get Hal, Levine, Cash et. al. to depart?

  50. UnKnown July 23rd, 2013 at 1:43 am

    I’m excited to see Soriano come back to the Bronx. I wonder if he still rocks that extra long bat. Man did that dude K a ton in 2003 Post. 26 times to be exact.

  51. Pat M. July 23rd, 2013 at 1:43 am

    Rich in NJ…..Someone with a cool 2 billion to spend. One hell of a line of credit with the banks !!!! If anyone I believe needs to go first it’s Levine

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 1:46 am

    Apparently more perfect than those who blithely accept cheating and lying. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. And if you have a defective moral compass, you’re part of the problem.

    “only people still willing to close their eyes to the whole PEDS issue and would happily wish it away are basically here”

    Strange twist on what I actually said.

    “I’ve done a lot of reading on the Braun issue, and it seems that the only people still willing to close their eyes to the whole PEDS issue and would happily wish it away are basically here!”

    The honor is that there are people here who detest cheating and despise what the PEDs issue has done to the game that they totally revere.

  53. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 1:47 am

    I’d like to see a new ownership group that’s not afraid to turn over control to wunderkind Billy Eppler. He’s the future. Time to embrace it.

  54. sammiejohnson July 23rd, 2013 at 1:50 am

    “Someone with a cool 2 billion to spend. One hell of a line of credit with the banks !!!!”

    Larry Ellison?

    (If he will quit playing with his sailboats…. And Hawaiian Islands.)

  55. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 1:50 am

    So this move defines the Yankees as buyers…

    Which means the only player of significance likely to be moved is Phil Hughes…

    Try to get Prado.

  56. Pat M. July 23rd, 2013 at 1:52 am

    Jesus……Now that The SF Giants are designed to tee times in October, look for Billy B to see if he can snatch Hughes and bring him to Oakland. The other guy who has Hughes on his shopping list, Kevin Towers …..

  57. Nick in SF July 23rd, 2013 at 1:53 am

    Is Soriano going to fly to Texas with Matt Garza?

    Who pays for the flight?

    This better not count for 2014.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 2:03 am

    I seem to remember people here inquiring about the possibility of getting Soriano quite a few times. So not everybody thinks it’s a bad idea.

  59. David in Cal July 23rd, 2013 at 2:23 am

    The hitting is so bad that I suppose Soriano can help a bit. But, I don’t care whether the Yanks finish in last place or next to last place. I’d rather see them give up on 2013 and trade veterans for promising youngsters. The Yanks aren’t going to be good again until at least 2015. If they keep signing nearly washed-up players like Soriano and Wells, they’ll never be good.

  60. Pat M. July 23rd, 2013 at 2:59 am

    David in Cal……There was a small grass root group of LoHuders who even as far back to last August started a movement to push for a rebuilding process for 2015 -2016 NY Yankees… Move assests and in return you get good young future ballplayers. Especially when you know that winning is going to be a long shot this year with the leftside of the infield is down for more than 1/2 the season…..Slugging 1st baseman is toast for the year and Granderson is now coming back from 2 different broken bones……. And yet we’re taking on Soriano, lightening in a bottle ???????

  61. UnKnown July 23rd, 2013 at 3:02 am

    Apparently more perfect than those who blithely accept cheating and lying. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. And if you have a defective moral compass, you’re part of the problem.
    ————–

    Oh My God, Freaking BARF!!!! This is going to be one sickening display of who can boast the loudest about how perfect they are, that I can already see and am already entirely over it.

    I have made way to many mistakes in my life so I’m going to choose to not cast stones. That’s all I am saying. It’s a freaking baseball game we’re talking about. All the people who are so high and mighty should go catch the real disgusting filth littered throughout the world. Again no one knows what skeletons lie in people’s closets. And more importantly EVERYONE has some. I’m done with this issue. Completely bored and done talking about it. I’m leaving it to those that are way better individuals than myself to instruct all of us terrible people on how to live our lives. Hopefully while waiting for instructions I can somehow still hold my head up high. :roll:

  62. UpState July 23rd, 2013 at 3:35 am

    sammiejohnson July 23rd, 2013 at 12:18 am
    UpState July 22nd, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Washington Nationals:

    Ryan Zimmerman & Anthony Rendon

    How are they managing with these two sharing third base ?

    Either available ?
    ____________________________________________________

    Rendon is their 2b. He replaced Danny Espinoza at 2B early this season. Espinoza wasn’t hitting a lick. I don’t think either Zimmerman or Rendon would be available, and neither would be cheap if they were.

    And Blake is right. Zimmerman will probably move to 1B eventually. I think that might be why the Gnats stuck with their guns and only signed LaRoche to two years this winter when he wanted three. They knew they would need 1B for Zimmerman before long.
    =======================

    Thank you, SammieJohnson & Blake, Thank you !!!

    (I’ll keep looking for a 3B)

    Not Musty, though……

    Still intrigued by….. Ed Lucas – Miami Marlins

  63. Rich8859 July 23rd, 2013 at 3:37 am

    Soriano slides in and protects Cano, and becomes 2nd on the team in Homers and Rbis.

  64. Oscar Madison July 23rd, 2013 at 6:07 am

    This team has become a convelescent home for aging baseball players

    Wells, Jeter, ARoid, Hafner, Ichiro and now Soriano, how sad.

    Attendance should start to plummet very soon.

  65. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 6:52 am

    If this is Vernon wells deal 2.0 and the cubs are paying essentially all the money and the yanks aren’t giving up anybody then ok……but this doesn’t fix anything

  66. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 6:56 am

    Didnt lose ground in the division last night but lost in the WC….now 4.5 back there….

  67. Doreen July 23rd, 2013 at 7:09 am

    I’m not sure it helps. I hope it doesn’t hurt.

  68. Hans Davenport July 23rd, 2013 at 7:09 am

    lightening in a bottle ???????

    That’s the battle cry?

  69. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 7:18 am

    Doreen says:
    July 23, 2013 at 7:09 am
    I’m not sure it helps. I hope it doesn’t hurt.

    True….I just think instead of wastin his time to get alfonso Soriano , Cashman should be selling. Of course that’s not going to happen and they are going to lose the opportunity cost of not acting appropriately for how bad the team is……

    I’ll eat crow if they rally and make the playoffs and win the WS……but the most likely way this plays out is they slog along for the rest of the season ….do nothing to actually get better then blame everything on the injuries this winter

  70. ron July 23rd, 2013 at 7:24 am

    If we get jeter,granderson back,maybe even cervelli,soriano can help,if we can fix 1b,and 3b.
    Arod will be suspended so i’m not counting on him.
    Arod is so ashamed that he is hiding.He just can’t face people again over this issue after his first admission.He should just admit it,and move on.
    Braun was smart enough to take the best case scenario,and miss only 65 games,lose only 3.5 million.

  71. hardwired7 July 23rd, 2013 at 7:31 am

    In an effort to ensure competitive balance and fair play, opposing teams should be forced to spot the Yankees two runs before each game.

  72. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 7:31 am

    So if they get Soriano….what exactly are they gonna do with him? I guess he can DH at lot given that Hafner is pretty well cooked apparently

  73. Doreen July 23rd, 2013 at 7:32 am

    Blake,

    The thing is, the injuries are a real factor here. Tex and Grandy alone would have been a problem, since they both were being counted on to provide power. And neither one of their injuries could have been anticipated beyond the “injuries happen” mindset.

    The injuries have been multiple and pervasive throughout the system. They are something valid to point to as a major factor in a season gone awry.

    However, in making the decision to go with the players they did, trying to catch lightning in multiple bottles, they left themselves virtually zero margin for error. They tempted fate, I think.

    It seems clear to me that they are gong to try to keep Cano. Other than Cano, they have no real assets to sell anyway. Hugh’s is less and less likely to be traded the more CC and Pettitte falter.

    As long as they are in striking distance and as long as they think it can turn around, or that the other flawed teams in th division will hit tough spots in their schedule, they are not going to give in on the season.

    I don’t know what this is really about anymore.

    I really don’t want to defend them but I really am not sure what they can do right now. Might as well play it out and not make ill-conceived trades. So far, they’ve only spent money. Money they must have, I guess. This is all about a principle of not wanting to pay a tax anymore. I am torn between thinking that is fine, and that if you have that much money, who cares? But if that money ultimately has helped to build up your competitors, I can understand being fed up with it.

  74. ron July 23rd, 2013 at 7:33 am

    Blake
    That is what will happen.
    They just don’t know how to operate when they can’t spend to fix a problem,and the thing that bothers me is that they are sitting on millions,plus yes will be giving them enough to pay for most,or all of their payroll in the future.
    They spend 10 million to save a million.
    The smart thing would be to trade cano,granderson,hughes,etc..,then sign a bunch of free agents,just like the rs did.
    This gets us a bunch of prospects,while keeping our own.
    You don’t have to sign a ton of allstars in free agency to build a good team,and you don’t need 5 prospects to break through to compete.
    The rs have 2 prospects that are helping,nava,iglesias,the rest are fa signings,and players they already had when they finished in last place,only a year ago.

  75. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 7:35 am

    The yanks not only are 7 games behind Boston…..they also are 6.5 behind Tampa so it’s pretty unlikely they are going to outplay both of those teams by over 6 games the rest of the way……it’s possible but not likely.

  76. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 7:36 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 6:52 am
    If this is Vernon wells deal 2.0 and the cubs are paying essentially all the money and the yanks aren’t giving up anybody then ok……but this doesn’t fix anything
    —————-
    The money exchange is supposed to be structured in such a way that will have minimal impact in 2014. Now I am convinced that Hal plans to stay under the 189M threshold.

  77. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 7:38 am

    “The money exchange is supposed to be structured in such a way that will have minimal impact in 2014. Now I am convinced that Hal plans to stay under the 189M threshold.”

    Yup…..the injures got us….proceed with lopping 50+ million off the payroll please. We shall rise again in 2014…..with the help of our walkers

  78. ron July 23rd, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Problem with keeping cano,hughes,granderson is,they lost all of their leverage in a trade.
    Cano could of gotten us 2 elite prospects,minimum this past offseason,and now,maybe one.
    That one prospect difference is huge.
    Trading cano is insane.Signing him to a 7/161 deal is even more insane.
    This will prevent the Yankees from competing going forward.
    CC,tex,arod,cano,all declining,consuming 100 million dollars will destroy the team for years,unless they have a 230-300 million payroll,wich is fine with me.

  79. pkyankfan69 July 23rd, 2013 at 7:41 am

    Soriano to the rescue!

    What a joke.

    We’ll add 1 more marginal righty bat along with Aflonso and his .280 OBP, pretend like we are contenders in a desperate attempt to sell tickets for the rest of the year, inevitably miss the playoffs, and then further compound our current problems by giving Cano 8 years – $200M in the offseason. Hal might be a financial wiz but he either doesn’t have a clue on how to build a baseball team or simply doesn’t care as long as the money is rolling in.

  80. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 7:43 am

    It’s not only the offense that needs help. Now the Yankees have to worry about 3/5ths of their starting rotation, with CC, Pettitte and Hughes, underperforming.

  81. ron July 23rd, 2013 at 7:46 am

    If they wan’t to reset the lt to 17 %,and take a hit for one year,fine,but they have to spend like crazy in 2015.
    Problem is,you have cc,tex,arod rapidly declining,eating up 70 million,and cano either gone,or eating up another 23 million.
    Another big issue to why the Yankees are struggling is,cc is not that ace anymore,and has 4 years left.
    Ouch.

  82. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 7:50 am

    They should go after Alex Rios. Put him in CF, and shift Gardner back to LF where his arm is more accurate. He had a terrible offline throw trying to get a runner scoring from second on a short single to CF.

    2010 LF 9 assists, 1 error
    2011 LF 7 assists 3 errors
    2013 CF 2 assists 3 errors

  83. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Certainly Rios would be a more progressive move for this year and next than Soriano, but what does Chicago want for him? I would assume the price tag for Soriano is much lower.

    Soriano can still hit and he’s actually passable in LF — as good/bad as Ibanez was.

    If the 2014 Of was a combination of Ichiro, Gardner, Wells, Soriano and Almonte they could mix and max effectively. Neither Soriano nor Wells is very good versus RHP any more. It lets them focus resources on finding offense behind the plate and a replacement at 3B which will almost certainly be needed.

    The moment A-rod ‘s suspension is confirmed they should try to extend Cano.

  84. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Yup…..the injures got us….proceed with lopping 50+ million off the payroll please. We shall rise again in 2014…..with the help of our walkers.
    ————-
    Blake-

    I’m still laughing. Are we talking about players not needing crutches, because in Game of Thrones, the Walkers are Zombies!!! :)

    How’s Mom and your newborn son?

  85. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Add another old player and ship out a prospect. That sounds like perfect plan to me. This tells us they will continue on the same path. At least we have Ichiro, Wells and Soriano for next year’s outfield. The season tickets will sell like hot cakes.

  86. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:00 am

    “They should go after Alex Rios.”

    no….honestly they should sell. They don’t need to add more payroll onto a very bloated and inefficient roster. They need to get younger and they need to stop lying to themselves about this team.

  87. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 8:01 am

    I didn’t watch last night’s game (fortunately) so missed the snoozefest.

    As for the Yankees, I think they have 2 choices, either (1) pick up a 3rd baseman, right handed 1st baseman, catcher, and outfielder (Soriano?) before the deadline, most likely rental players who can still play and contribute, and hope to catch lightning in a bottle regardless of the cost or (2) punt the season and plan to rebuild by trading those players that have some value and are not in the plans for 2014 and 2015.

    What they should not do is bring in one guy with the exclusion of the other needs. If they bring in Soriano without other moves it is a complete waste of time, IMO.

    I also don’t think you just trade everyone and Cano needs to be signed-if the market demands they pay him for more than 5-6 years then they will have to eat it down the line and not bring on other long term deals that might be the same.

    One long term deal that might be a losing proposition in 5 years does not handcuff a team, it is a series of them that really hurt.

  88. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:01 am

    “How’s Mom and your newborn son?”

    great….no problems so far. He’s a pretty good sleeper…..we both are used to no sleep anyways so it’s not a huge change.

  89. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 8:02 am

    CC was man enough to admit he sucks. Now, if only Hal and Cashman were man enough to admit they both suck, and the deals they made, and failed to make over the past 3-4 years is what has put this team in the position they find themselves today.

    Yes, injury has played a part, but poor management is a greater part in the teams problems.

    What the Yankees need to succeed in the future, new ownership, new GM and new player development personel.

  90. ron July 23rd, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Cano is going to hit free agency,unless the Yankees offer him what he would get in fa anyways.
    He should of been traded this past offseason for 2 top prospects,and maybe a mid level one.
    CC,tex should of also been traded.
    The rs were smart enough to dump their bad contracts.Now they are not tied down by one single bad contract,and are in 1st place,making a ws run with the players they already had when they finished in last place,minimal contributions from their farm system in nava,iglesias,and a bunch of small fa signings.

  91. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 8:05 am

    86-
    Good morning. Heyman is reporting that it will be a mid-level prospect for Alfonso Soriano.
    Now what will the Yankees do with Granderson? If they can’t or don’t trade him, they might give him the QO offer, which he might accept to build up value.

  92. LGY July 23rd, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Robertson and Nova are very valuable trade pieces (Gardner too, but they can’t afford to trade offense).

    Two of my favorite players on the team but if they can bring back young offense gotta pull the trigger.

    Or alternatively my Nova for Braun idea :evil:

  93. jpb173 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Alfonso Soriano in…Travis Hafner out!!!

  94. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:09 am

    “Or alternatively my Nova for Braun idea :evil:

    I wonder……I still don’t think they’d do that…..the thing is that he’s owed a ton of money still…..but also he’s really good still too so….I guess it just depends on how mad they are at him. His contract isn’t really a bad one baseball wise right now…..unless you think his numbers are totally PED created….which i don’t

  95. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Even after all we have seen this year, there’s still lots of thoughtful, even creative, rationalization on here. kudos to youse guys, but how many different ways can you write that this year’s team sucks?

  96. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 8:12 am

    blake -

    Is Braun having PED like injuries el. A-Rod?

    I don’t want Braun, I’d rather keep Nova, he’ll be a big part of next seasons rotation, if Hal wants both control and a lower payroll.

  97. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 8:14 am

    I see the plan. Field an even older team next year. That way they can blame injuries again. Who said the management team isn’t smart?

  98. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 8:15 am

    There isn’t much on the FA market to help the Yankees at offensive positions of need. I probably should rephrase that, because just about every offensive spot has a need in some form.

    Brian McCann , a GA native is a FA

    Who’s on third in 2014 when Alex agrees to a 100+ game suspension.

  99. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:16 am

    “Is Braun having PED like injuries el. A-Rod?”

    who knows…..the thing is though with players on long term deals is that contracts can look great one minute and nose dive and be terrible the next……at 29 and a former PED user Braun would carry a lot of risk if you traded for him…..

  100. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Braun could play on my team any day

    He got caught and will do his time… After that, play ball!

    If we stopped rooting for every ex-con or tax cheat, there’d be no sports left on TV and empty stadiums across America…I’d imagine that if you peel back the onion a little, even Jeter wouldn’t be lily white.

  101. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 8:18 am

    YT -

    I may be way off base, but, I don’t see A-Rod coming back to play baseball again. My feeling is he’ll try to take a medical retirement, hoping to salvage the remainder of his contract.

  102. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Later – Mop walking time.

  103. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:19 am

    YT —-

    I never thought there was much chance they would keep Granderson — unless Cano and Kuroda both move on.

    If they give him a QO and he takes it they’ll have several guys on expiring contract andcan market them accordingly. A healthy Granderson would have excellent value.

    Soriano is still a good offensive player… certainly an upgrade…. and he is particularly good against LHP which is a huge need.

    I’m not a huge fan of this move, but they don’t have OF waiting in the wings and they don’t have a strong FA class of OF to choose from AND they will almost certainly spend most of not all of 2014 without A-Rod.

  104. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:19 am

    The Dodgers are the best team in baseball right now…..as I said yesterday….if they win the WS then their ownership deserves it. They took risks and they spent money to try and give their fans a winner……their fans have returned the favor by going to the ball park…..

  105. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 8:21 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:16 am
    “Is Braun having PED like injuries el. A-Rod?”

    —————————————————
    maybe not as bad yet but he’s only player in 61 of 98 games this year so something is up with him

  106. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 8:21 am

    I don’t know how anyone could propose trading for Ryan Braun.

    He could have been juicing during his entire career, it’s pretty clear to me that Arod never stopped after his admitted usage while in Texas and he was possibly using even while in Seattle.

    If a player has been using PEDs throughout his career, there is nothing to go on to predict his performance without them-how has it been going for Melky Cabrera so far this year?

  107. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 8:23 am

    I agree. Good for the Dodgers. They try to do what it takes to win. That idea has a distant familiar ring to it.

  108. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Ryan Braun……………is going to start breaking down it’s starting to show this year

  109. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:24 am

    The Dodgers are actually spending less than the Yanks this year, but they have way more committed for 2014 and beyond.

    Ryu, Grienke and Puig are additions that have really paid off. It would be nice if the Yanks took a chance on Miguel Alberto Gonzalez.

  110. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 8:26 am

    So let’s see:

    The Sox sold off a bunch of bad players that couldn’t help them win and are now in 1st place.

    The Dodgers acquired those players from the Sox that couldn’t help the Sox win and are now in 1st place.

    Maybe there is a little more to this than just dumping players, like (1) Bobby V poisoned the clubhouse to the point where no one wanted to play for him and quit and (2) a bunch of Sox player were also hurt last year?

  111. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:27 am

    “Slip sliding away. Slip sliding away.”

    :(

  112. ron July 23rd, 2013 at 8:28 am

    The dodgers are going to be in the same boat we are now.
    A bunch of bad,long contracts,but if they have the money to spend,and develop just enough prospects,while making the right decisions going forward,kudos to them.
    It is knowing when to hold,and when to fold on a player.
    You cant give out 4 huge contracts to players that will decline for most of those contract years,consuming 100 million in payroll,and then cry about the 189.
    The Yankees make their money by spending it,and collecting playoff revenue.
    Now they wan’t to save 50 million,or so,and lose much more in playoff revenues.

  113. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Why are so many so angry at Braun, etc?

    It’s not like he’s the leader of our kids’ Boy Scout troop. I could understand questioning his moral compass then.

    But devoting more than a glance at the headlines for this is about as good a use of your anger as getting mad at the black hawk down guys for chewing khat.

    Baseballs war on drugs will fail and the money is put to better use like building kids ball fields in Detroit that reuse water

  114. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 8:30 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:27 am
    “Slip sliding away. Slip sliding away.”

    —————————-
    playoffs are out of the question…last place in the AL east is just as close as 1st place…

    they need a plan in place going forward 2014 and beyond

  115. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:31 am

    ‘We just haven’t been good lately.”

    Ya’ mean like for a month or two Derek.

    ;)

  116. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Joeman-

    The PLAN is 189.

  117. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 8:34 am

    if he’s still here the NYY are going to hate CC’s contract starting in 2016 or even sooner

  118. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 8:35 am

    I used to like Tom verdict as a fresh articulate voice on breaking news and other issues

    Now I know he is just a jock sniffer- he thinks he is important and if he can’t play the game he’ll speak loudly enough on a topic so that he’ll make his own news by being a pain in the a$$ to someone somewhere

    I hope some player B-slaps him like Jim Everett

  119. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 8:35 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:31 am
    Joeman-

    The PLAN is 189.
    ———————————-
    most of that covers 4 players

  120. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I may be way off base, but, I don’t see A-Rod coming back to play baseball again. My feeling is he’ll try to take a medical retirement, hoping to salvage the remainder of his contract.

    ———-
    The doctors would have to show in the off-season that he needs further surgery on his hip/hips, that would prevent him from Ever playing major league baseball again. A diagnosis of avascular necrosis of hip requiring him to have a total hip replacement would do it. Bo Jackson tried to come back after that same surgery with the same diagnosis.

  121. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:38 am

    CC is going to have to be more of Pitcher than ever.

    In the mold of AP.

    Without the extra velocity his margin for error goes way down.

    Fortunately, his arsenal, athleticism, and pitching IQ should all help to make the adjustment a success.

    There is also a chance that the missing velocity returns as he gets further and further from his surgery.

  122. dan l July 23rd, 2013 at 8:39 am

    The Yankees are done…Cashman and his flunkies have to go…I hope they continue to lose and lose and lose.

  123. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:41 am

    “The Dodgers are actually spending less than the Yanks this year, but they have way more committed for 2014 and beyond.”

    correct…..the Yankees payroll this year is a mirage.

    MG,

    Braun is still good though and that’s the difference in him and most PED guys…..the problem is the budget and his character…..I’d have a hard time cheering for that guy after he lied straight to the whole nation….his teammates etc…..Arod as least admitted it when he got caught.

    I just don’t understand why star players use…..the risk and consequences are just so high unless you really don’t think you’re a star without them. Braun is finished reputation wise now……of course he still has his 100+ million dollar contract which may be enough for him……

  124. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 8:41 am

    With 10,000 innings logged, CC has jumped the shark

    The only thing he’s been able to reinvent is his diet

    He is careening downhill faster than a little rascals soapbox go-kart

  125. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    The Yankees best chance at getting good again quickly is to sell….trade Cano, Hughes, Granderson, Joba, Logan,….even Kuroda and get max return and start thinking about next year. You can still pursue Cano and Kuroda this winter if you want to……in Cano’s case trading him would probably up his value as FA because teams wouldn’t have to give up a draft pick to sign him……same with Kuroda.

  126. NYYROC July 23rd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    On the assumption ARod gets suspended, a few random thoughts:
    Hard to believe that he’s done it again after what happened in past.
    What motivates a guy to cheat like that: Money, the spotlight, love of playing baseball(are his hips so bad he saw no alternative?)?
    ARod is such a fan of the game, how could he tarnish it?
    Wonder if it will bother him to never get into HOF?

  127. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Joeman-

    The plan is still 189.

    The rotation, pen, and bench are all going to have to be relatively inexpensive.

    They should have an extra 20 mil to spend for a-Rod’s 2014 suspension.

    They build around Cano, Tex, and GGBG going forward.

    Then add a bat or two.

    In 2015 they re-open the money spigot.

  128. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 8:44 am

    MTU -

    Those oldies but goodies – Too bad that sond doesn’t apply to the Yankees. :)

  129. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Blake-

    It does make some sense but they are not doing it.

    This is the Yankees we are talking about.

    ;)

  130. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 8:49 am

    “In 2015 they re-open the money spigot.”

    Mike -

    It may be too late by then to salvage the fan base, and they most likely will have sold the remainder of YES, and seen ticket sales plummet to the point they’ll say they can’t afford to sign this player or that player, and when the sh*t hits the fan, Hal will simply sell off the team – which is what I keep hoping he’ll do sooner than later.

  131. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:49 am

    even if Hal blows up 189 short term…..there may not be enough to buy in free agency to get out of this mess and sustain it. I mean they could re-sign Cano…..sign McCann…..sign Choo etc and that’s gonna really help the lineup……but for how long?……also that’s going to make the club ridiculously expensive such that it’ll be hard to get under the cap for a long time.

  132. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Al-

    Next year might be interesting if nothing else.

    Especially our starting rotation. CC ,Kuroda (hopefully), Nova, Phelps, Pineda/Nuno

    Warren and Banuelos in reserve.

    We still likely will be short on offense. Hopefully not as terrible as this year.

  133. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Godd****t – just what the Yankees DON’T need – another aging useless expensive shell of his former self player… Just f’in brilliant Cashman. If you want it bad enough I hear Jason Giambi needs a f’in job you putz.

  134. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:52 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....n8CCldxIEK

    Yankees to get Soriano… barf.

  135. LGY July 23rd, 2013 at 8:53 am

    @joepawl: Yankees’ OPS from RHB this year: .589.

    Hilariously bad.

  136. NYYROC July 23rd, 2013 at 8:53 am

    So that means the NYY will have Ichiro, Wells and Soriano under contract for 2014. Wonder if that is the oldest OF in history?

  137. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:54 am

    “In dire need of a bat with thump and an indication the Yankees may believe that Alex Rodriguez isn’t going to play this season, the toothless Bombers are close to acquiring Alfonso Soriano from the Cubs, The Post has learned.

    According to a person familiar with the talks, the Cubs will pay the bulk of what is left on Soriano’s contract. He makes $18 million this year and the same for next season.

    Like they did in the Vernon Wells deal, whatever the Yankees pay will be laid out for the little more than the $6 million remaining Soriano’s contract this season. That way the Yankees aren’t on the hook for money next year when they want to get the payroll to $189 million. Soriano has a no-trade clause, but he would not block a deal to put him back in Pinstripes.
    Paul J. Bereswill
    Alfonso Soriano

    In return the Cubs will get a mid-level prospect.”

    George King, NY Post

  138. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Why do folks keep talking about trading Logan? He’s just 27, and one of the best LRP in the game, and our only one.

    Gardner is still young, and cheap, and should not be traded, unless he’s a part of a bigger package that brings back a real star OF, I’ll settle for Stanton.

  139. ron July 23rd, 2013 at 8:55 am

    The dodgers were well set up,before Crawford,agone,etc..,but they did help.
    It starts with pitching,ends with it also,but you still need a balance,and enough offense.
    Everybody thinks too big when thinking that we need these big,great power hitters in free agency,when a much lesser player will do.
    There are not that many great players in the game,and a lot of them are on ped’s,so offenses are returning to their baselines.
    The Yankees need to get back to acquiring .300 hitters with good obp,defense,and a balanced team,with great pitching,and you do that,one step,player,position at a time.
    We need a 3b,1b,and should be making moves that make sense.
    Trading cano for a stud 3b prospect that can play right now,and maybe a p prospect is where they should start.
    Then trade granderson for maybe a 2b,or ss prospect,hughes something similar.
    I’m talking very reasonable trades,when if it where last offseason,cano gets us 2 top prospects,maybe more.
    These prospects might not ever be good,but we might end up with a machado,etc..
    Remember,every great player was once a prospect.
    Get back to player development,scouting,etc…
    If you trade cano,another 2b will be at 2b.Yes we take an offensive hit,but don’t spend that 23 million on cano.
    Eventually that kind of thinking will put us in a great position with a lot of good prospects from trades,our own prospects,and a lot of money to spend in fa,not being taxed for being over 189.
    Eventually we will get out of this mess,and have a lot of money from the tv deal to spend.

  140. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “@joepawl: Yankees’ OPS from RHB this year: .589.

    Hilariously bad.”

    it’s unthinkable really with a 230 million dollar payroll……that said I’m not sure what else Cashman could have done this year……where the team is now isn’t a function of poor decision making in the last 12 months…..it’s a function of not acting on a growing problem over the last 3 or 4 years…..it’s a function of passing on Cespedes and Puig and taking risks to improve the club……it’s a function of continuing to believe you can dress anybody up in pinstripes and they’ll hit like a Yankee…..

  141. RMS July 23rd, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Please, never question again why Yankee fans hate Arod, I mean Aroid, and love Jeter.

  142. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “Why do folks keep talking about trading Logan? He’s just 27, and one of the best LRP in the game, and our only one.”

    cause he’ll also be a FA in 3 months and they team stinks.

  143. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:56 am

    No one’s getting dumped. The Yanks are buying… a toothless 37 yr old, aging, expensive, Alfonso Soriano – coming to save this crappy lineup.

  144. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 8:59 am

    BIG AL

    You are back from walking the mop.
    I’ll post this again.

    Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 8:37 am
    I may be way off base, but, I don’t see A-Rod coming back to play baseball again. My feeling is he’ll try to take a medical retirement, hoping to salvage the remainder of his contract.

    ———-
    The doctors would have to show in the off-season that he needs further surgery on his hip/hips, that would prevent him from Ever playing major league baseball again. A diagnosis of avascular necrosis of hip requiring him to have a total hip replacement would do it. Bo Jackson tried to come back after that same surgery with the same diagnosis.

    Maybe someone else has any thoughts about whether he would have the ability to get a medical retirement.

  145. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    soriano is comin’ to save the day… cashman – you’re a freakin goofball.

  146. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    ron —

    This isn’t “Bewitched” where you can wiggle your nose and make all those trades.

    To whom are you trading those players and who are you getting back.

    It’s easy to make vague pronouncements. Hell everyone wants terrific young talent, high average/OBP hitters and cost savings.

    Making it happen is another matter.

  147. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    This Soriano move is perception management.

    The Yankees can’t ever be seen as a team that is willing to do anything but focus on winning in the here and now.

    I expect more of this at the trade deadline.

    They’re actually not finished trying to add a useful player with a package of Hughes + Joba + JR Murphy.

  148. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    blake -

    Rest assured Hal will be under $189, simply because his interest is in saving and making money #1, not the product on the field.

    What the Yankees FO has done over the past 3-4 years, is take a fine racing machine like a Ferrari, and fix it up with duct tape, and expect it to continue winning races.

    Hal & Cash, enough of the dumpster diving, and sticking it up the fans a**, do it right, or get out of the game. I for one am sick of reading all these platitudes about how hard your trying to make deals, or the scrubs we brought in are really trying their best etc. – enough is enough!

  149. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 9:05 am

    The medical terms are unquestionably spelled out in great detail in the insurance policy. It likely specifies a particular doctor or medical entity that would be called upon to confirm his level of incapacity.

    No one is taking anyone’s word about pain and suffering here — especially A-Rod’s.

  150. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Cano at this point can’t be traded , Kuroda prob could and he could bring a nice package back…Back to Cano I’m would sign him back but for more $ and less years these long term contracts usually don’t work out well

  151. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    still can’t get over the fact they gave Youkilis 12 mil

  152. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    YT -

    To the best of my knowledge, all A-Rod has to do is say he’s unable to perform at a level necessary for him to play baseball, and if his doctors, and the Yankees doctors write off on it, that’s it.

    This would do the following:
    MLB gets A-Rod out of the game for good.
    A-Rod gets the remainder of his salary
    The Yankees pay just 20% of the remaining salary, the insurance pays the other 80%

    Everyone is happy, except the insurance company.

  153. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    joeman -

    I’d offer Cano $24 M for 5 years, no longer in terms of years, which would bring him to age 37.

  154. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am
    joeman -

    I’d offer Cano $24 M for 5 years, no longer in terms of years, which would bring him to age 37
    ————————————
    in line of what I’m thinking but have to think Cano will want more years

  155. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Soriano, I know, I know, so stupid.

    But his HR off Schilling in Game 7 lives on in my mind as what would have been one of the biggest 5 HRs in Yankee history…still is, I guess, bottom 9th notwithstanding

  156. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 11:05 am

    New Lohud game. Guess the length of AROD’s suspension. I am going with a compromise between 100-150 games–125 game suspension.

  157. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Al,

    The insurance company will hire doctor’s to examine AROD and review all records, films and tests. They will not lay down for $100M. Collecting disability would be a fight. The Astros had one with the insurance company about Bagwell.

  158. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Trisha,

    Adding Soriano will make the team marginally better this year. The concern for me is it continues to make the team older. It also tells me they are willing to spend this year but not next. Now, they have three outfielders over 35 that have contracts for next year.


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