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Pettitte: “The biggest thing is to mean what you say”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Andy Pettitte

When his name showed up in the Mitchell Report, Andy Pettitte came clean. He admitted in the winter of 2007 to using HGH to help himself recover from an elbow injury. Pettitte said yesterday that he’s hardly heard a thing about his connection to performance enhancing drugs since then.

“Never hear a word,” Pettitte said. “When I came back I never heard about it. Ya’ll know how I live my life. I believe that God had his hand on me in that sense. How else can you explain it? How can you explain my kids going to school and never having a problem with it? I can’t explain it.”

Is it possible that another way to explain it is that baseball is often willing to forgive — to some extent, anyway — those who own up to the mistake quickly and fully, and then never show a hint of regression?

“Maybe, I’m not sure,” Pettitte said. “I feel like you still wonder how in the world it’s turned out like it has for me. … It’s weird for me to talk about. I know what I did. I don’t even want to get back on that (topic), but it’s been in my rearview mirror ever since I’ve come back and played. For me it hasn’t been an issue. I know there’s been an awful, awful lot of people probably trying to go out and try to prove or think I was trying to lie about something when I said I wasn’t doing anything to try to cheat. It’s been in my rearview mirror. I don’t know how it will affect these other people.”

Andy PettitteThe stain of performance enhancing drugs always lingers. Whether Pettitte hears about it or not, it’s at least a small part of his legacy. In his admission, Pettitte said he used HGH twice to heal faster from an injury, not to improve his performance. It’s cheating either way, and Pettitte accepted that responsibility. Whether you accept his reasoning or accept his apology is up to each individual, but he at least gave fans that option.

Admission and acceptance seem to be the most significant steps toward some level of forgiveness. It’s the difference between being a man who made an ethical mistake, and being a man who tried to at all costs to take the easy road through something meant to be difficult. Neither is particularly good, but it’s certainly possible to see one as more forgivable than the other.

“I have no idea (why players keep doing it),” Derek Jeter said. “You’ve got me. It’s like you’re rolling the dice, playing Russian Roulette. I don’t know. You’re taking a chance obviously, a huge chance, and guys are getting caught for it.”

The Ryan Braun suspension is only the beginning. You can bet we’re going to hear a lot more about performance enhancing drugs in the coming days and weeks. For some players who are busted, there will be no turning of public opinion — Alex Rodriguez might be one of those, Braun might be too — but for some guys, there’s one chance to limit the public relations damage and help this sport begin to heal from its own damages. It begins with an admission and an apology.

“You move forward,” Pettitte said. “The biggest thing is to mean what you say and move forward with it. Obviously (Braun)’s a young player. He’s got a long career ahead of him, hopefully, and you put this in the rearview mirror and (don’t) do anything like this again.”

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317 Responses to “Pettitte: “The biggest thing is to mean what you say””

  1. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:57 am

    “@joepawl: Yankees’ OPS from RHB this year: .589.

    Hilariously bad.”

    it’s unthinkable really with a 230 million dollar payroll……that said I’m not sure what else Cashman could have done this year……where the team is now isn’t a function of poor decision making in the last 12 months…..it’s a function of not acting on a growing problem over the last 3 or 4 years…..it’s a function of passing on Cespedes and Puig and taking risks to improve the club……it’s a function of continuing to believe you can dress anybody up in pinstripes and they’ll hit like a Yankee…..

  2. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Yankees close to acquiring Alfonso Soriano…

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....n8CCldxIEK

  3. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Rosenthal sez Cubs already got Soriano’s approval.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ano-072313

  4. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    BIG AL

    You are back from walking the mop.
    I’ll post this again.

    Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 8:37 am
    I may be way off base, but, I don’t see A-Rod coming back to play baseball again. My feeling is he’ll try to take a medical retirement, hoping to salvage the remainder of his contract.

    ———-
    The doctors would have to show in the off-season that he needs further surgery on his hip/hips, that would prevent him from Ever playing major league baseball again. A diagnosis of avascular necrosis of hip requiring him to have a total hip replacement would do it. Bo Jackson tried to come back after that same surgery with the same diagnosis.

    Maybe someone else has any thoughts about whether he would have the ability to get a medical retirement.

  5. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    I greatly look forward to watching Soriano swing at sliders in the other batters box…..at least then I can pretend it’s 2000

  6. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 9:04 am

    This Soriano move is perception management.

    The Yankees can’t ever be seen as a team that is willing to do anything but focus on winning in the here and now.

    I expect more of this at the trade deadline.

    They’re actually not finished trying to add a useful player with a package of Hughes + Joba + JR Murphy.

    I wonder who that might be…

    Prado?

  7. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:05 am

    The biggest problem with the team is their inability to develop anything other than relievers. So when a problem arises due to injury or whatever, they scramble to waste money.

  8. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Soriano has Ruth like numbers when leading off an inning. :)

    Breakdown of his splits this year:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....so-soriano

  9. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Think he’ll be our DH? They dropping Pronk?

    Grandy should be back soon – so where are they going to put him? Who gets dumped? Pronk or Wells?

  10. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Blake:

    Would you rather continue to see Hafner put up pathetic at bats like last night and the last 2 months instead? Would you rather see him up ther facing the lefty in a big spoit like last night with a chance to get back in the game and hit into a DP or strike out instead? Cmon now! I know Soriano isn’t a big difference maker but he’s much better option against lefthanders than Hafner or Lillibridge

  11. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2013 at 9:07 am

    sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 9:06 am
    Think he’ll be our DH? They dropping Pronk?

    Grandy should be back soon – so where are they going to put him? Who gets dumped? Pronk or Wells?

    ____________________________________________

    Pronk is gone as soon as Jeter gets back

  12. astrocityfan July 23rd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Is Soriano signed through next year as well? If he can match his current production, he can give them a boost but how likely is he to continue to produce?

  13. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    They found the best righties available for money alone this year in Wells and Soriano – and both bandaid the budget in 2014.

    Prado has a bad contract as well. And Towers is interested in Hughes (according to Pat M.)

    Prado fills in nicely for Arod in 2014 and Jeter after 2014.

  14. Giuseppe Franco July 23rd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I really hope this Soriano deal falls through.

    It’s exactly the kind of move I don’t want to see them make.

    Do the right thing and sell.

  15. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    The one thing I didn’t want to see the Yankees do is jut try to muddle thru.

    I hope they do not give away anyone worthwhile for Soriano.

    Certainly not a good young arm.

    Give ‘em Neal.

  16. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 9:09 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 8:41 am
    Braun is still good though and that’s the difference in him and most PED guys…..the problem is the budget and his character…..I’d have a hard time cheering for that guy after he lied straight to the whole nation….his teammates etc…..Arod as least admitted it when he got caught.

    I just don’t understand why star players use…..the risk and consequences are just so high unless you really don’t think you’re a star without them. Braun is finished reputation wise now……of course he still has his 100+ million dollar contract which may be enough for him……
    ———————————-
    blake, you could be right but, on the other hand, he could have been using PEDs for his entire career-his stats have been remarkably consistent since his rookie season, if he was this good without them why would he even think about using anything?

    It isn’t like he’s an idiot, he’s a smart guy from an educated family.

    As for coming to the Yankees, I would have a very difficult time rooting for him after his claims of innocence and throwing the sample collector under the bus. Additionally, as someone who shares the same faith with him, I’m embarrassed that he would go through all of this crap to save himself-it isn’t the same as Bernie Madoff in any way, shape or form but is still both embarrassing and pathetic.

  17. Poetkiosk July 23rd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I expect more of this from Cash – (quote from when Youkilis had to get surgery)

    “As of right now we’re going with what we have, and if we ever run into something that makes sense then we’ll look at that. We’ll keep going with what we’ve got.”

  18. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    “Would you rather continue to see Hafner put up pathetic at bats like last night and the last 2 months instead?”

    nope….it’s an upgrade for sure. I don’t have a problem with the move if the reports of how the money is structured are true…..I just think it’s a meaningless move that isn’t going to affect their fate this year……and this they should be selling instead of adding more layers of duct tape to a sinking ship

  19. LGY July 23rd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Youkilis, Wells, Ichiro, Hafner, Wells.

    Over $40 million.

    Would have been nice to see that invested in the IFA market and draft the past few years.

  20. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:09 am
    The one thing I didn’t want to see the Yankees do is jut try to muddle thru.

    I hope they do not give away anyone worthwhile for Soriano.

    Certainly not a good young arm.

    Give ‘em Neal.
    ————-
    I’ll guess Melky Mesa, the human ‘K’ machine…

  21. LGY July 23rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Whoops forgot Soriano on the list

  22. NYYROC July 23rd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Heard on Mike and Mike that Braun said the whole thing has been tough for his family..like he wanted sympathy. He has only himself to blame.

  23. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Dodgers supposedly not interested in Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez, the Cuban FA pitcher. Yanks are one of the interested teams according to MLBtraderumors.com. WOnder if they’ll surprise us and swoop in and splurge on the 26 year old righty

  24. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    JB

    Prado’s contract. Yankees won’t absorb it.

    Martin Prado 3b
    4 years/$40M (2013-16)

    4 years/$40M (2013-16)
    acquired by Arizona in trade from Atlanta 1/24/13 (Justin Upton deal)
    signed extension with Arizona 1/31/13 (avoided arbitration, $7.05M-$6.65M)
    13:$7M, 14:$11M, 15:$11M, 16:$11M

    Since the papers are reporting that Soriano’s deal will be similar to Wells so that there won’t be a hit 2014 I am more convinced than ever that Yankees plan to be below 189 million next year

  25. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    How much money do they have to set on fire this year before it almost exceeds what they will save with their tax dodge?

  26. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Soriano will only be a help against lefties.

    Who is our DH against righties ?

    Hafner should be deleted ASAP.

    Same w Romine. Back to AAA

    We need a 3b who can hit.

  27. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    “Like they did in the Vernon Wells deal, whatever the Yankees pay will be laid out for the little more than the $6 million remaining Soriano’s contract this season. That way the Yankees aren’t on the hook for money next year when they want to get the payroll to $189 million.

    In return the Cubs will get a mid-level prospect.”

  28. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    At this point who would you rather have though, Soriano or Arod?

    I think Soriano’s got more life left but that remains to be seen. Now it’s time to reacquire Nick Johnson again.

  29. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:14 am

    “It isn’t like he’s an idiot, he’s a smart guy from an educated family.”

    I watched his press conference and he convinced me that maybe he was telling the truth…..turns out he was just good at telling lies.

  30. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2013 at 9:14 am

    No way Braun should have been given a deal likle this. The way he circumvented the system and got off before on a technicality and to now admit he was guilty all along? Should have nailed him to the wall. Same with Arod. NO DEALS!!

  31. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I hear Giambi is open to coming back for $20 mil. Cash is drooling…

  32. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    assuming Hafner gets DFA’d to clear a spot?

  33. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    JB

    Prado’s contract. Yankees won’t absorb it.

    ________

    Never said the Yankees would. AZ would just like LAA with Wells and CHC with Soriano.

  34. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Joel Sherman reporting that Cubs were scouting AAA releiver Chase Whitley lately. Could he be the guy? Yanks are loaded with middle releife types. He’d be no big loss at all.

  35. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “No way Braun should have been given a deal likle this. The way he circumvented the system and got off before on a technicality and to now admit he was guilty all along? Should have nailed him to the wall. Same with Arod. NO DEALS!!”

    I’m sure MLB wanted to avoid the appeal process and get an admission of guilt…..they did nail Braun….this is the worst outcome for him. He is suspended for the rest of the year and he’s now seen as a scumbag lier….

  36. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    MG-

    Watch Mesa turn into Austin Jackson.

    He k’ed a lot too and they never thought he could hit for any power.

    With our luck that’s exactly what will happen with Mesa.

    He finds himself with another Team.

  37. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Acquiring Soriano by itself isn’t a solution, they would need to add major league quality players at 3rd base, another catcher and a right handed bat that can play 1st to have any chance of making the playoffs.

    If they make that attempt in the next week it’s fine, otherwise why waste any money on Soriano, who can at least still hit and has roots in the Yankees system.

  38. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Hafner should have been DFAed already. He is totally useless. At this point, I’d rather see them DH Ichiro at times and play Mesa or Neal in the OF. As for 3rd, I’d have stuck with Adams a little longer. Looked like he was having better at bats and making better contact just before they optioned him. Cruz is another pierce of dead weight

  39. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am
    MG-

    Watch Mesa turn into Austin Jackson.

    He k’ed a lot too and they never thought he could hit for any power.

    With our luck that’s exactly what will happen with Mesa.

    He finds himself with another Team.
    —————–
    Mesa has K’ed almost 100X in 250 plate appearances this year and is 26 years old.

    Austin Jackson is the same age as Mesa, has 4 full years of ML experience, and K’ed at half of Mesa’s rate in the minors.

    Not the same thing at all, you can’t make that comparison.

  40. Alan Slocum July 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Clearly these guys think that MLB is so incompetent that they would always continue to be able to dodge the bullet. If, as has been speculated, the evidence against A-Roid is far beyond what they had on Braun, I think MLB needs to quit plea-bargaining and hand down the lifetime suspension that would be most appropriate. He needs to be perminently away from the game.

  41. jacksquat July 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am
    MG-

    Watch Mesa turn into Austin Jackson.

    He k’ed a lot too and they never thought he could hit for any power.

    With our luck that’s exactly what will happen with Mesa.

    He finds himself with another Team.

    Not really comparable. Jackson merely k’d too much relative to his power, so there was some doubt how he would do in the majors because that combination often does not make for good results.

    Mesa’s K rates are epic.

  42. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I’d love to buy low on Prado if they could and Hal would be ok paying the money….he’s better than he’s played this year….is a good 3B….can play outfield and is a great clubhouse guy. He’s solve 3B for a couple of years anyway…..that said I don’t know why the Dbacks would trade him cheaply…..and I doubt they’d eat much if any money to trade him.

  43. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:25 am

    MG-

    I was only half-serious and being somewhat facetious.

    I have no big problem parting w Mesa although I prefer Neal.

    Neal does not look like he’ll ever hit a ML curveball and Johnny Damon had a better arm.

    ;)

  44. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    You know, the thing that I find interesting about this PED stuff is the one major aspect of the whole situation that’s being overlooked: None of these guys tested positive (outside of Braun, who was on horse steroids if his test is any indication).

    None of these guys would have gotten caught if not for journalists in Miami. I’m still not sure how baseball can count this as a victory. They will of course.. but why is it not giving anyone else pause?

  45. jacksquat July 23rd, 2013 at 9:28 am

    The Soriano signing is just Wells redux regarding the contract. The Yankees will probably pay all of what he is owed for the rest of 2013 and a small amount of 2014.

  46. Hans Davenport July 23rd, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Watch Mesa turn into Austin Jackson.

    He k’ed a lot too and they never thought he could hit for any power.

    With our luck that’s exactly what will happen with Mesa.

    He finds himself with another Team.

    Other teams have hitting coaches that actually spend time with these young guys. The Yankees wanted ready made players no matter how old. Soriano. Oh boy, That’s exciting.

  47. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Soriano isn’t lighting it up but he’s better than what we have and he would shift Wells to the DH spot permanently when Grandy comes back.

    Realization: Our OF next year will be Wells, Soriano, Ichiro and Gardner.

    What world is this?!

    Hopefully they’ll be willing to release either Wells or Soriano.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock July 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:03 am

    I greatly look forward to watching Soriano swing at sliders in the other batters box…..at least then I can pretend it’s 2000
    ///

    2003 was the worst. He killed us.

  49. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    What happened to Dino Laurenzi, Jri, the man who took the heat from Braun for keeping the specimen over the weekend since no carrier was open?

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock July 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Fake Melky can’t really hit – fantastic glove, though.

  51. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Hans-

    At a number of our positions any guy with a pulse is an upgrade.

    ;)

  52. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    None of these guys would have gotten caught if not for journalists in Miami. I’m still not sure how baseball can count this as a victory. They will of course.. but why is it not giving anyone else pause?
    -

    Resentment if young millionaires?

    Guys get 4 game suspensions for substances in the NFL. It is part of the routine. Baseball seems to think it is sacrosanct. But it is merely just another for profit business that has made this country great.

    My guess is Selig is trying to repair his legacy of complicity before he exits the scene. Too late.

  53. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:25 am
    MG-

    I was only half-serious and being somewhat facetious.

    I have no big problem parting w Mesa although I prefer Neal.

    Neal does not look like he’ll ever hit a ML curveball and Johnny Damon had a better arm.
    —————
    I know, I was just busting your chops :)

    Neal is more of a retread but if the Cubbies will take him I’m all for it, anything to get his daily Tweets off the ride side of this page is welcome. For the record, though, my grandmother had a better arm than his, I’ve never seen a major league player at any position throw so badly.

  54. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Shame-

    Are you purposely trying to make me barf ?

    :)

  55. Hans Davenport July 23rd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    he’s now seen as a scumbag lier….

    Like 80% of the fans didn’t already see him as a liar. Outside of Milwaukee I never heard of many fans who believed him. I generally go with the test results. How about you? Stop acting like this was a revelation. Geez. This isn’t the big deal that you and a handful of people seem to think it is.

  56. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Assuming that the “midlevel” prospect going back to the Cubs is not someone of any real value to the Yankees (a fungible RHP like Brett Marshall or a position player like Walter Ibarra) then I have zero problem with the trade for Soriano. Given that Cervelli is probably going to be suspended quite shortly I would be happy to hear that Dioneer Navarro is included in the trade.

    Soriano should be the everyday DH right now. When Granderson, Nix and Jeter come back your lineup against RHP should be:

    Gardner – CF
    Ichiro – RF
    Jeter – SS
    Cano – 2b
    Soriano – DH
    Granderson – LF
    Overbay – 1b
    Nix – 3b
    Stewart – C

    vs. LHP

    Gardner – CF
    Ichiro – RF
    Jeter – DH
    Cano – 2b
    Soriano – LF
    Nix – 3b
    Overbay – 1b
    Nunez – SS
    Stewart – C

    Further – if Alex is suspended for 150 games as was earlier speculated – then Soriano is your everyday DH next season and doesn’t block the ascension of any prospects like Almonte back to LF.

    Is he old? Yes. Does he strike out too much? Yes. Do we know he can play in NY? Yes. Does he bring offense to a club that is desperately in need? Yes. Does he cost too much either in money or prospects? Again without knowing the prospects involved I’ll speculate and say no.

  57. comnsnse July 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Swimming in dangerous waters.

    This deal for Soriano is an indication of the level of desperation, but more the case of not understanding the depth of their real issues.

    He will have difficulty in a more spacious LF, he can not be a full time DH since Jeter may fill that role.

    But here’s the most damning point and important for fans to grasp.

    Is this a “committee” decision and was this a “solution suggestion” by Cashman?

    If either is the case we’re doomed as well the team may be beyond this year!

  58. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I don’t believe A-Rod is an innocent party when it comes to PEDS, but, what I can’t wrap my head around is this; If he never tested positive since his earlier non binding test, and he was unwilling to buy evidence he could have buried, why should I believe a low live that could have just hand written A-Rod into this whole thing to make it worth more to MLB, and as an attempt to extort money from A-Rod. From what I’ve read, the majoity of notes were hand written, and unless there is more proof than that, I’d question any such evidence as possible fraud.

  59. jacksquat July 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    2014 is shaping up pretty old.

    Jeter SS 40
    Ichiro RF 40
    Arod 3B 38 (maybe)
    Soriano DH 38

    Wells LF 35
    Teixeira 1B 34
    Cano 2B 31 (maybe)
    Gardner CF 30

    Cervelli C 28

  60. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Yeah now that Alf is back can we release Hafner and put the guy out of his misery? I feel badly for him at this point.

  61. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 5m
    And evidence against Braun was described as Lego block compared to skyscraper vs A-Rod #Yankees

  62. Hans Davenport July 23rd, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 am
    What happened to Dino Laurenzi, Jri, the man who took the heat from Braun for keeping the specimen over the weekend since no carrier was open?

    He doesn’t need any anyone’s approval. The guy has 3 college degrees, one is a Masters in sports medicine and physical therapy disciplines. He was head of a physical therapy department when this happened. Basically the drug testing courier gig was a sideline for him.

  63. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    None of these guys would have gotten caught if not for journalists in Miami. I’m still not sure how baseball can count this as a victory. They will of course.. but why is it not giving anyone else pause?
    -

    Resentment if young millionaires?

    Guys get 4 game suspensions for substances in the NFL. It is part of the routine. Baseball seems to think it is sacrosanct. But it is merely just another for profit business that has made this country great.
    —————–

    There’s clearly a double standard between PED use in baseball and PED use in football but that’s not baseball’s fault. It’s the fault of media, fans and members of Capitol Hill who put baseball in this position in the first place.

  64. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Chip-

    I don’t think ole Sori hits righties very well. 50 point split.

    Hits dingers though and I guess that’s what they’re looking for.

    Probably would be better if they had someone better to DH against righties.

    No question he is better than Hafner. So that’s good.

  65. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Leaking damaging revelations to reporters is reflective of MLB’s contempt for the process they signed on to.

  66. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I just wish we could add one guy that had positive splits against RHP.

  67. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 5m
    And evidence against Braun was described as Lego block compared to skyscraper vs A-Rod #Yankees
    —————

    That’s not good for Alex.

  68. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Chip

    Maybe the Yankees plan for Soriano to return to 2nd in 2014, when Cano signs with the Dodgers.

  69. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Later folks, y’all have a great day.

  70. Mike in Harrisburg July 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Called it. Though predicting the Yankees would acquire yet another aging former stud is not exactly brain science. To me this is exactly the same MO as the Ichiro trade. A husk of a superstar shows signs of life and the Yankees jump all over him.

  71. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Shame-

    Are you purposely trying to make me barf ?

    ———————

    I’m sorry but it had to be said lol. Soriano, Wells, Gardner and Ichiro. That’s probably your 2014 OF. Hopefully Almonte finds his way back. Maybe they’ll actually add someone else and just release Wells or Soriano.

  72. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    It’s the fault of media, fans and members of Capitol Hill who put baseball in this position in the first place.
    -
    They can handle it the same way as the NFL If they choose.

  73. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Maybe the Yankees should just put cardboard cutouts out there for 2014.

    Call up Matsui for advice on how to make them.

  74. 4TrainNorth July 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Soriano has 13 walks ALL SEASON. That’s crazy. But, seeing as there is no cavalry after all, guess we have to be happy with even a small upgrade. Plus, the Yankees get the benefit of having him hit number 400 in pinstipes. They love that crap.

  75. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Vern is actually hitting .326 in July so I think he’ll continue to play and they’ll just work both he and Soriano in at DH…..this move makes the team better…..but it’s not going to be a difference making move with regards to the standings most likely.

  76. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Leaking damaging revelations to reporters is reflective of MLB’s contempt for the process they signed on to.
    ————————

    What makes you think it’s MLB leaking the information? Baseball has too much to lose by making this acrimonious with the Union by violating the JDA themselves. Right now the Union and the League are on the same side – if the Union gets irked then this becomes a problem. Beyond that, if a player’s suspension is overturned because MLB leaked information then they look awful.

    My guess would be that it is the agents of the players who are leaking the info. They’re the ones with something to gain. Make the process invalid by releasing supposedly private information between the player and the league and your client gets off on a technicality.

  77. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Soriano’s splits. Great when leading off an inning!

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....so-soriano

  78. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 am
    None of these guys would have gotten caught if not for journalists in Miami. I’m still not sure how baseball can count this as a victory. They will of course.. but why is it not giving anyone else pause?
    -

    Resentment if young millionaires?

    Guys get 4 game suspensions for substances in the NFL. It is part of the routine.
    ——————
    that is an oversimplification, there is a 3 stage process and any player that is Stage 3 and tests positive is permanently banished from the NFL

    WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF A VIOLATION IN THE INTERVENTION STAGES?
    –Stage One: Three-seventeenths (3/17) of the amount in Paragraph 5 of your NFL Player Contract.
    –Stage Two: 1st violation: 4/17 of the amount in Paragraph 5 of your NFL Player Contract (or a 4-game suspension if you did not successfully complete Stage One). 2nd violation: 4-game suspension (or a 6-game suspension if you were suspended for your first violation in Stage Two).
    –Stage Three: Banishment.

    http://www.nflevolution.com/wo.....1-5081.pdf

  79. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    It’s the fault of media, fans and members of Capitol Hill who put baseball in this position in the first place.
    -
    They can handle it the same way as the NFL If they choose.
    ——————-

    No they can’t. Public perception and media scrutiny won’t let them at this point. Nor will Congress. They have threatened to pull MLB’s antitrust exemption if they don’t clean up the sport.

  80. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Shame-

    If you feel you must be so brutally honest try to give me a heads up first so I can disappear
    before you say it.

    I’ve had enough bad news lately.

    :)

  81. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:47 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Vern is actually hitting .326 in July so I think he’ll continue to play and they’ll just work both he and Soriano in at DH…..this move makes the team better…..but it’s not going to be a difference making move with regards to the standings most likely.

    —————

    Vern’s streaky to the extreme. His valleys are LOW. Soriano will probably be much of the same. The only good thing is they can get rid of Hafner now. Rotate Alf and Wells and ride Ichiro and Gardner into the ground until (hopefully) Granderson returns.

  82. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Chip

    Maybe the Yankees plan for Soriano to return to 2nd in 2014, when Cano signs with the Dodgers.
    ——————-

    A double play combination of Soriano and Nunez would possibly be the worst in baseball defensively.

  83. Tackelberry July 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Another quality start for Nova last night against a good hitting team. Got screwed on 2 very close calls at 2nd base. THought runner was definitely out in the 1st inning and call could have gone either way on Andrus in the 6th inning. COuld easily have been 0-0 through 6. Homer to Cruz was just a mistake. Fastball right down the pipe and up. Wonder if Yanks will chase Cruz this offseason, even if he is part of the Biogenesis mess.

  84. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I predict 100 games for Alex which he will serve now…..that’s basically the rest of this year and about 1/4 of next year……..

  85. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Chip

    Because the same reporters, particularly Quinn, has gotten every story since at least Bonds. MLB has pointed to the same info to highlight their seriousness in cracking down on the cheats. So I see the leaks as serving MLB’s interests primarily.

  86. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    MTU –

    I think this trade spells the end of Hafner’s time as a player with the Yankees. In the short run they might send down Thomas Neal to make room (or he’s the guy they traded) but once Jeter, Nix and Granderson come back I think Hafner, Mesa and either Cruz or Nunez are sent out.

  87. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Chip

    Because the same reporters, particularly Quinn, has gotten every story since at least Bonds. MLB has pointed to the same info to highlight their seriousness in cracking down on the cheats. So I see the leaks as serving MLB’s interests primarily.
    ————————-

    How has any of this served MLB’s interests? Until now they’ve looked like bumbling fools when it comes to PED enforcement at the major league level.

  88. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 9:50 am

    the Yankees need 4 players to have a chance in 2014, Soriano would be one of them.

    I’ll give them a shot if they get a major league 3rd baseman, another catcher, and someone to play 1st base against lefties. These have to be major league qualify guys, not someone picked up off the scrap heap.

    Soriano by himself gives them a chance to finish above .500 and out of the playoffs (unless 85 wins gets you in) and that’s about it.

  89. implosion July 23rd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Mean what you say??? Andy said he used one time and his father gave it to him. Yet he hung out with Roger all the time. If you believe he meant what he said then you all are beyond stupid. Please give me a break. I watched him put his hand on a bible and said he used one time. LIAR LIAR LIAR. I am a huge Yankee fan but this is just another example of stupid fans drinking the kool aid.

  90. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I predict 100 games for Alex which he will serve now…..that’s basically the rest of this year and about 1/4 of next year……..
    ————————-

    I’m saying 150 to 165.

  91. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    I think they are getting Soriano because of A-rods imminent suspension…Don’t see how he fits here though..

  92. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    “I think MLB needs to quit plea-bargaining and hand down the lifetime suspension that would be most appropriate. He needs to be perminently away from the game.”

    Joel Sherman used a phrase on the radio that MLB might be trying to avoid- “scorched earth”. Ban a player for life and they have nothing left to lose and might want be willing to share info that could hurt MLB and/or other players who are currently not on the publics radar.

  93. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Blake-

    If what you say is true with what will happen with A-rod this season they absolutely will need to find a 3b.

    They cannot keep sending our motley hitting 3b crew out there.

    Headley ? Young ?

  94. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Nova was certainly a bright spot…..he pitched well….just never had a chance.

  95. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:54 am

    To me Alex is actually not the major issue – Cervelli is. If he’s suspended then the Yankees need to either promote JR Murphy or make a deal for a catcher because the tandem of Stewart and Romine isn’t getting it done.

    I’m fixating on Navarro because I don’t think it would be hard for the Yankees to get him and I do think that he could be a major upgrade.

  96. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I predict 100 games for Alex which he will serve now…..that’s basically the rest of this year and about 1/4 of next year……..
    ————————-

    I’m saying 150 to 165.

    ————–

    I think 150 might be about right. At least Alex should be fresh by the middle of next year lol.

    But without it helping us in terms of payroll.. I really just don’t even care. It’s just a periphery thing.

  97. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “If what you say is true with what will happen with A-rod this season they absolutely will need to find a 3b.”

    Cashman has probably called chipper again.

  98. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:56 am

    pat July 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    “I think MLB needs to quit plea-bargaining and hand down the lifetime suspension that would be most appropriate. He needs to be perminently away from the game.”

    Joel Sherman used a phrase on the radio that MLB might be trying to avoid- “scorched earth”. Ban a player for life and they have nothing left to lose and might want be willing to share info that could hurt MLB and/or other players who are currently not on the publics radar.
    ——————-

    That’s basically how MLB got into this mess. Jose Canseco (rightly or wrongly) felt that he was being blackballed by MLB rather than accepting the fact that he was no longer a useful player and wrote his book. We all laughed and laughed at him for being an idiot, then Ken Caminetti backed up some of what Canseco said, Congress took interest, MLB conducted exploratory studies and here we are….FYI that’s also why I think Canseco should be in the Hall of Fame. Not for what he did as a player, but outside of Bud Selig I can’t think of anyone who has had a bigger impact in the sport over the last twenty years than Canseco did.

  99. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    they need a RHH and that’s what Soriano is ..only reason they might trade for him

  100. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    pat July 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 am

    “I think MLB needs to quit plea-bargaining and hand down the lifetime suspension that would be most appropriate. He needs to be perminently away from the game.”

    Joel Sherman used a phrase on the radio that MLB might be trying to avoid- “scorched earth”. Ban a player for life and they have nothing left to lose and might want be willing to share info that could hurt MLB and/or other players who are currently not on the publics radar.

    ———————

    Yeah I think all the talk about Alex getting a lifetime ban has always been hot air. If I’m Alex and got banned from baseball I’m going to sign a book deal immediately and call out players, coaches, FOs, etc. You’re telling me Torre never knew if a guy in his clubhouse was juicing? That’d be a pretty tough blow for MLB with him sitting in the Commissioner’s Office.

  101. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    MG-

    I agree. Those are the obvious needs, and they would have to be of the quality level you suggested.

    Trading Hughes + should bring back some part of that.

    Young, if he doesn’t take too much would be a good get. He plays 3rd and 1st.

    Mick suggested Young and Ruiz for Hughes, Joba, +

    I’m just not sure the Phillies are sellers now.

  102. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “If what you say is true with what will happen with A-rod this season they absolutely will need to find a 3b.”

    Cashman has probably called chipper again.
    —————

    Ivan Nova to the Royals for Mike Moustokis?

  103. Mike in Harrisburg July 23rd, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Alex may well do that anyway.

  104. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Blake-

    or Angel Berroa.

    ;)

  105. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    How has any of this served MLB’s interests? Until now they’ve looked like bumbling fools when it comes to PED enforcement at the major league level
    -

    You keep citing Congress. This dog and pony show is their way of demonstrating that they are very, very, very serious!

  106. joeman July 23rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Arod gets a 150 game suspension no way he comes back being more than a 25% player he once was..that’s over a year and a half of not playing a game in the majors and at 40 years old

  107. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I saw Sherman’s report on MLB Network last night and he says the Yankees front office and Arod hate each other at this point in time.

    If I am the Yankees and hate a guy who is about to get suspended then I refuse to pay him a dime and make him sue me-they have deeper pockets and the eventual result would probably be a medical-based retirement, it isn’t that much of a stretch anyway.

    I’m not saying it will happen but it would be the right business decision for the Yankees, the worst they could get out of it was paying Arod his money plus legal fees.

  108. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:03 am

    ….FYI that’s also why I think Canseco should be in the Hall of Fame. Not for what he did as a player, but outside of Bud Selig I can’t think of anyone who has had a bigger impact in the sport over the last twenty years than Canseco did.

    and if Canseco did it for the good of the game, I would agree with you. Since he did it for the good of his bank account, I’ll pass.

  109. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    How has any of this served MLB’s interests? Until now they’ve looked like bumbling fools when it comes to PED enforcement at the major league level
    -

    You keep citing Congress. This dog and pony show is their way of demonstrating that they are very, very, very serious!
    —————-

    Not a dog and pony show when you actually catch and enforce penalties; much like it’s not a wild goose chase if you’re actually catching geese.

    Look, the fact is that whether you agree with what MLB is doing or not, they’re still doing the right thing – they are catching and penalizing players who are in violation of the CBA. The rest of it, whether PEDs are good or bad or indifferent; is white noise.

  110. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I’m pretty sure someone out there would trade Bats for relievers. We really do have great bullpen arms, even in the minors. I would love to get Trumbo, Morales or Moustokis.

  111. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 10:06 am

    pat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:03 am
    ….FYI that’s also why I think Canseco should be in the Hall of Fame. Not for what he did as a player, but outside of Bud Selig I can’t think of anyone who has had a bigger impact in the sport over the last twenty years than Canseco did.

    and if Canseco did it for the good of the game, I would agree with you. Since he did it for the good of his bank account, I’ll pass.
    ————–
    if someone wrote Canseco a check for $5K he would agree to just about anything, he would even box a former child actor turned DJ to a draw.

    Oh, he already did that, let’s find something else…

  112. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    MG-

    They cannot void a contract due to a suspension.

    Better to cut some sort of deal with A-rod to make him go away then to entertain a lengthy and well-publicized court battle IMO.

    He is not getting a medical suspension either because he does not need a total hip replacement.

    They can use the money they won’t have to pay him due to the suspension for other purposes.

    That might help. Could be 20-25 million dollars.

  113. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Not a dog and pony show when you actually catch and enforce penalties; much like it’s not a wild goose chase if you’re actually catching geese.
    -

    We were talking about the leaks.

    Look, the fact is that whether you agree with what MLB is doing or not, they’re still doing the right thing – they are catching and penalizing players who are in violation of the CBA. The rest of it, whether PEDs are good or bad or indifferent; is white noise.
    -
    Testing is the right thing because it subjects every player to the same level of scrutiny.

    Paying alleged criminals is worse than the offense.

  114. Hankflorida July 23rd, 2013 at 10:08 am

    The Yankees have not hit a home run going on two weeks, and the last right handed hitter to go deep may have been Text. Soriano hits the long ball about 5% of his at bats. He may give us similar numbers to Swisher which has been missing this season. When Granderson comes back, Suzuki should have a lesser role, but since his acquisition may have been for both the Asian market and the countdown to 3000 hits and not for the fact that he does not have the credentials for a corner outfielder with Gardener in center, his not getting enough playing time may be a problem. Having Granderson and Soriano in the outfield means that the other piece of the puzzle is a DH who can also power the ball into the stands.

  115. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I believe Andy admitted using HGH twice. No idea if he did more, don’t really care.

    Soriano is unquestionably an upgrade for a horrible lineup versus LHP. Would like to know the $$$ terms and the mid-level prospect. If they rotate Soriano, Wells, Gardner, Ichiro and Almonte they could be reasonably productive out there.

    It also frees up resources for offensive upgrades at C and 3B.

    Still not likely to be a very good lineup next year.

  116. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:09 am

    The Tigers need a closer.

    The Braves are desperate for a left-handed reliever.

    The Pirates just lost Grilli.

    Lot’s of teams need good relief help.

    No question about that.

  117. MG July 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am
    MG-

    They cannot void a contract due to a suspension.

    Better to cut some sort of deal with A-rod to make him go away then to entertain a lengthy and well-publicized court battle IMO.

    He is not getting a medical suspension either because he does not need a total hip replacement.

    They can use the money they won’t have to pay him due to the suspension for other purposes.

    That might help. Could be 20-25 million dollars.
    ——————–
    I’m not an attorney but they could allege fraud if he knew that he was in the Mitchell report and didn’t disclose it before signing the contract extension.

    It’s a negotiating tactic and happens all the time in business-you are unhappy with something, you stop paying and make them sue you.

  118. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    If Alex gets suspended 150 games then that’s basically 2 full years almost that he won’t have played in the big leagues…..at his age man that would be hard to come back from.

  119. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    “Ivan Nova to the Royals for Mike Moustokis?”

    Id do it….

  120. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am

    MG-

    I hear you but I don’t think that’s the way to go. Not FWIS anyway.

  121. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Tim Brown ?@TBrownYahoo 7m
    Joe Girardi has had it with the steroids and cheaters. From post-game Monday night: http://tinyurl.com/kxjsgxt

  122. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Blake-

    They need Nova for next season.

    I guess you’re figuring Gordon would return to 3rd ?

  123. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Soriano, I know, I know, so stupid.

    But his HR off Schilling in Game 7 lives on in my mind as what would have been one of the biggest 5 HRs in Yankee history…still is, I guess, bottom 9th notwithstanding

  124. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Chip-

    I’m also for the Navarro thing.

  125. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:17 am

    “They need Nova for next season.

    I guess you’re figuring Gordon would return to 3rd ?”

    Moustakis was who it was…..they may need Nova yes….but they need offense way more.

  126. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    “….if he knew that he was in the Mitchell report and didn’t disclose it before signing the contract extension.”

    He wasn’t in the Mitchel Report.

  127. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:07 am

    -
    Testing is the right thing because it subjects every player to the same level of scrutiny.

    Paying alleged criminals is worse than the offense.
    ——————–

    Except that just testing is not what the union or the league wanted or agreed to. MLB has an investigative arm but does not have the power to compel anyone to cooperate with them. As such they have to resort to other means to get cooperation from those who have no reason to do so otherwise. And, in drug cases, the people you have to deal with aren’t going to be squeaky clean.

  128. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    I wonder how Aaron Rodgers feels.. He was Ryan Braun’s best friend, he bet his $39M salary that his buddy wasn’t doing steroids. He has to feel betrayed, no other word to use.

  129. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    “But his HR off Schilling in Game 7 lives on in my mind as what would have been one of the biggest 5 HRs in Yankee history…still is, I guess, bottom 9th notwithstanding”

    yup it really would have been….that was a great moment that got squashed.

  130. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    How many current Yankees have cheated at some point and not gotten caught? How many Rays or Sawx? The outrage is selective.

  131. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    “Ivan Nova to the Royals for Mike Moustokis?”

    Id do it….
    ——————

    Wonder if the Royals would – we’ve heard that they’re willing to part with offense to get pitching that they can control. Both players are young, under team control and have been both great and awful. It’s a reasonably fair deal.

  132. Yankee Trader July 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I’ll predict that it’s 150 games starting next year.

    Have to go.

    Have a great day.

  133. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Except that just testing is not what the union or the league wanted or agreed to. MLB has an investigative arm but does not have the power to compel anyone to cooperate with them. As such they have to resort to other means to get cooperation from those who have no reason to do so otherwise. And, in drug cases, the people you have to deal with aren’t going to be squeaky clean.
    -

    As I said, it is worse than the offense and it isn’t helping the game’s image based on attendance.

  134. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I still highly doubt the Yankees could void Alex’s contract…..but if the union doesn’t back him then I’d think it would be easier to try right?

  135. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 am

    How many current Yankees have cheated at some point and not gotten caught? How many Rays or Sawx? The outrage is selective.
    ———————

    Anyone who has ever gone fishing knows that you can’t catch every fish.

  136. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I still highly doubt the Yankees could void Alex’s contract…..but if the union doesn’t back him then I’d think it would be easier to try right?
    ——————-

    There’s no provision in the CBA to void a player’s contract for violation of the JDA – I think the Union would encourage Alex to accept a suspension but if the team tried to go after his contract they would defend the hell out of him.

  137. fantasygame101 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    are we accumulating part time dh for 2014? I am already ok with wells as the 4th of, part time dh for 2014. And now, Soriano? at least wells can play the of but Soriano is a part time DH only. Vision to right the ship is what this organization needs. I am saying that without even knowing what they will give up for Soriano and assuming that he also will be a freebie for 2014.

  138. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Except that just testing is not what the union or the league wanted or agreed to. MLB has an investigative arm but does not have the power to compel anyone to cooperate with them. As such they have to resort to other means to get cooperation from those who have no reason to do so otherwise. And, in drug cases, the people you have to deal with aren’t going to be squeaky clean.
    -

    As I said, it is worse than the offense and it isn’t helping the game’s image based on attendance.
    —————–

    I don’t think it has anything to do with attendance and I think you’re wrong about MLB overstepping in their efforts to enforce the JDA.

  139. bruceb July 23rd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I actually like Soriano and believe he could provide some short-term help for the homerless Yankees. But short-term is not what Cashman should be looking for.

    We went short-term with Hafner, Overbay and to a certain extent Soriano and Wells, even though both those players are signed for two-years.

    Surely the type of guys we should be signing right now are players that people like me have never heard of? In other words, players with their futures ahead of them, rather than behind them like Soriano.

  140. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Chip-

    “Anyone who has ever gone fishing knows that you can’t catch every fish.”

    Depends if you use dynamite or not.

    ;)

  141. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:25 am

    No way on earth I do Nova for Moustakas.

    I’d love to get the guy, but not at that price. Phelps + Claiborne maybe, but not Nova.

    Last night was a really good one for Nova. Seven innings, three runs (two with better 2B umpire) and he really didn’t have much of anything. Afterwards he wasn’t pleased. That’s pretty good development both in learning to pitch without good stuff and handling media afterward.

    A year ago he would have been very pleased with himself.

  142. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    If they are not going to be sellers, then short term is what they need to do.

    If they added Soriano and Granderson they just might make a post-season run.

  143. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Honestly, It isn’t a bad move. We really aren’t giving the Cubs any major prospects. They cover nearly all salary, it’s a win-win. A change of scenery might be good for Soriano, The short porch might too for his power.

  144. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    blake-

    A-Rod can hire lawyers just as good or better than the Yankees. And go on as long as he needs or wants to.

    He is a very rich Man.

    And he’d be an even greater fool not to fight and leave money like that on the table.

    Best approach IMO is to try to cut some sort of deal with him.

    Kinda like an out-of-court settlement.

  145. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    I don’t think it has anything to do with attendance and I think you’re wrong about MLB overstepping in their efforts to enforce the JDA
    -
    It is a business first and foremost with big bucks at stake.

    I am not wrong because I never said that.

    I said it is unseemingly, tantamount to selective prosecution, but that if the insist on doing this crazy stuff, stop the leaks.

  146. DAM23 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    I still think a yanks should be selling, but will be cool seeing Soriano with Yanks again. Especially if it means Hafner goes home today.

  147. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    “Wonder if the Royals would – we’ve heard that they’re willing to part with offense to get pitching that they can control. Both players are young, under team control and have been both great and awful. It’s a reasonably fair deal.”

    I think they might….it’s a risky trade for the Yanks really…..Nova has proven more at the big league level than Moustakis has…..he’s only 24 but he’s kinda stunk as a big leaguer…..you’d basically be making the deal in hopes that he blooms late. It’s a trade that could pan out or it could bust big time if Nova goes there and becomes a reliable 2 or 3 and Moose never gets any better……

  148. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Honestly, It isn’t a bad move. We really aren’t giving the Cubs any major prospects. They cover nearly all salary, it’s a win-win. A change of scenery might be good for Soriano, The short porch might too for his power.
    -

    It is a bad move because they should be sellers.

  149. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “A-Rod can hire lawyers just as good or better than the Yankees. And go on as long as he needs or wants to.

    He is a very rich Man”

    true but I still think not having the union behind him would hurt…..

  150. Mike in Harrisburg July 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Honestly, It isn’t a bad move. We really aren’t giving the Cubs any major prospects. They cover nearly all salary, it’s a win-win. A change of scenery might be good for Soriano, The short porch might too for his power.
    -

    It is a bad move because they should be sellers.

    —-

    Both are right, on different timeframes.

  151. mick July 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Selling would be a panic move.

  152. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Blake-

    He doesn’t need the Union. Just a set of good lawyers.

  153. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I feel very strongly both ways

    On the one hand we have hero Soriano game 7 2001 WS

    On the other hand we have KKKKKKKKKKK Sorianio 2003 WS

    On the thrid hand we have the broken down old man that is now playing LF for the Cubs

  154. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “Please, never question again why Yankee fans hate Arod, I mean Aroid, and love Jeter.”

    Arod has been a bad-news bear ever since the Yanks have gotten him, and an embarassment both on and off the field. He’s brought non-stop negative publicity to the Yankees. People can question what they want but if they can’t at least understand why there are people who never want to see Arod in pinstripes again, that I can’t understand.

    ***********

    Big Al – a good reason that Arod didn’t pay off Bosch is that he had no idea whether Bosch was setting him up as proof, i.e., whether that information ALSO would be turned over the MLB as further proof of his involvement.

    ************

    blake – I hope you didn’t also buy Clemens’ schtick. When evidence is overwhelming and someone gets off, it’s usually because a critical witness (Pettitte) suddenly has a memory lapse or the attorneys have thrown some distractor at the wall that has stuck. Clemens HOF vote is great indication that those who followed that trial cover to cover got it, despite the verdict.

    I believed Jose Canseco the minute I read about the information he put out, when everybody else was considering him a laughingstock. I also had no doubt that Braun was guilty once all of that information came out. I think you really have to use nothing more than common sense. If it looks, acts, and quacks like a duck, you’re looking at a duck.

    Here was a big hint with Canseco – and again, being a lawyer maybe this hit me square in the face. When you lie about someone’s livelihood the way Canseco was considered to have lied, and not one person of all that you’ve defamed comes out and sues you (or even threatens to sue you) – you know you’re on to something.

    *************

    I’m starting to wonder if I’m part of the reason the Yankees are losing. I didn’t get to watch any of the game Saturday and they won. I got to watch parts Friday and Sunday, and they lost. I will not be watching any of tonight’s game. If they win, I’ll continue to do that, at least for a while. If they get on a roll I’ll try to sneak back in and hope I don’t jinx them.

    :(

    ****************

    I believe that what Andy said about admitting and not repeating does hold water. When the news about Giambi came out, I wanted to never see his face again in a Ys uniform. When he admitted and apologized, all was forgiven. It took me a little longer with Andy just because of all of his God stuff – it made me feel like he was a bit of a fraud there – but I learned to love him again. His turnabout at Clemens trial did make me question his integrity again, but that’s on him. Karma is a biotch and he got hurt almost immediately. But when you have people lie to your face, or promise never to do something again and then do it, well now you fall into the “fool me twice” realm. When your behavior brings continual disgrace to the team I love and the game I love, I’m done with you. Anyway, that’s how I feel about it. We’re all individuals and not everybody feels the same way about the same things.

  155. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Playing devil’s advocate here… but what exactly has the MLB have evidence wise to suspend Arod? He hasn’t actually produced a positive test and associating with a doper – while stupid – isn’t against the rules. Buying them isn’t a crime either. They don’t have any actual proof that Arod USED them – just bought them. So technically – couldn’t Arod just say you can’t suspend me and I’ve never tested positive for the Biogenesis case so I’ll sue you if you try to suspend me? Even if the MLBPA doesn’t back him, they could go to arbitration and it still wouldn’t have definitive proof he used them. Just bought them. It’s still circumstantial.

  156. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    I don’t think it has anything to do with attendance and I think you’re wrong about MLB overstepping in their efforts to enforce the JDA
    -
    It is a business first and foremost with big bucks at stake.

    I am not wrong because I never said that.

    I said it is unseemingly, tantamount to selective prosecution, but that if the insist on doing this crazy stuff, stop the leaks.
    —————

    Well I think you’re wrong about that then – I think they are prosecuting those players who they can link to PED use. When the Mitchell Report came out the players named were mostly Mets and Yankees – it wasn’t that MLB was looking at the Mets and Yankees it was that the people who were cooperating with MLB had previously worked for the Mets and Yankees and so those were the instances of cheating that they knew about.

    They didn’t go after Biogenesis because they thought it would help them catch Braun and the others, they went after Biogenesis because they were linked to Melky and the players they’re going after are on Biogenesis’s client list. If Braun and Alex hadn’t been on that list, MLB wouldn’t have walked away.

    I’m sure there are other clinics out there and players are using them and I’m also sure that baseball is hoping to go after all of them. But until they catch another cheater and get him to cooperate with them and name the clinic then those others will get away with it.

  157. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am

    I still think the best move to do right now is Trade Phil Hughes, Promote Michael Piñeda.

    Get a bat in Hughes trade, Get a bat for a reliever.

    Joba doesn’t have high value, but at this time even a mid-prospect/fringe prospect is probably better then losing him to free agency.

    If they were to swap Nova for a Bat as Chip suggested, we put Phelps back in when healthy. Really what we need is position players, I don’t know what trade scenarios are likely though. I like the Cubs haul for Garza, good job by Theo.

  158. sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am

    I mean – it isn’t like Arod won any MVP’s recently and he’s already been voted baseball’s most hated player 20 years a row and it’s not like he’s got a sterling reputation to protect. It’s all about the contract ($$$$) so why wouldn’t he fight it?

  159. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I’m sure this was said, but the only way Soriano is acceptable here is if the Cubbies eat a lot of his salary for next year, dont give up any big prospects, AND they release Hafner.

    Soriano can be the DH next year with Alex likely suspended.

  160. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “When the news about Giambi came out, I wanted to never see his face again in a Ys uniform. When he admitted and apologized, all was forgiven.”

    Giambi apologized but never admitted what he did or even what he was apologizing for.

  161. DAM23 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Wonder if CC and Pettitte stinking up the joint lately has squashed any ideas of trading Hughes. They won’t get anything for Joba.

  162. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I think many would like to see A-Rod just retire with his millions and just fade from view.

    Question is how to best accomplish that ?

    There are very large sums of money involved and that only brings out the worst in most people.

    The resolution will likely not be an easy one nor a pretty one.

    Like a messy divorce.

  163. mick July 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Yanks are getting Soriano for nothing.
    Why not take him?

  164. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “If they are not going to be sellers, then short term is what they need to do.

    If they added Soriano and Granderson they just might make a post-season run.”

    Bingo.

    You can’t have it both ways. You can’t want to win now and also be fretting about the future and come up with the perfect solution because there ain’t none.

    Why sell when there’s nothing terribly worth buying? You can’t buy enough quality at this point to make it worth your while selling, but you can make small moves that actually might make a difference.

    I’d rather see small moves than see the Yankees sell off any of their future.

    Suck it up, hope it works, and pray for a regrouping for next season.

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “Yanks are getting Soriano for nothing.
    Why not take him?”

    Agree.

  166. DAM23 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Could the yanks and arod work out a buyout? Go away Alex and we’ll pay half your contract? Would Players Assoc. allow it?

  167. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 10:48 am

    If you don’t think Soriano will help this team consider:

    Yankees HR in July: 7
    Soriano HR in July: 8

    Hafner slash line for July: .160 .250 .220 .470
    Soriano slash line for July: .254 .292 .657 .949

    Team batting against LHP (full year): .236 .308 .340 .649
    Soriano v. LHP (full year): .280 .312 .508 .820

    He will even help the team against RHP (consider he will be replacing the lowest producers, not the average).

    Team v. RHP: .246 .307 .388 .695
    Soriano v. LHP: .245 .273 .452 .725

    Soriano is also seems to get better in August and September. If we only give up Chase Whitley then this is a really good move in my opinion.

  168. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I like the Nostalgia of having him back. That first at bat will be awesome…

  169. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Agree about Soriano.
    Lets face it.
    We NEED RH Bats with Power.
    There is a chance we wont see another homer by a righty until he is in our lineup.
    AND he can DH next year with Alex gone.

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “Giambi apologized but never admitted what he did or even what he was apologizing for.”

    He couldn’t at that point because there were indictments going on and he was instructed not to be more specific. I think he did the best he could and I believe there was pretty much a tacit understanding that he was acknowledging use.

  171. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    23-

    If he is guilty of such a serious offense perhaps they would just stay out of it realizing it was not really a precedent but merely an exception ?

  172. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    All MLB needs is circumstantial evidence to suspend him outside the limited parameters of the postive test penalties. That’s how Braun got 65 games instead of 50.

    Soriano is far from a “broken down old man”. He has a .756 OPS this year, .820 against LHP.

    That’s not great, but it’s far better than most if not all current Yankees.

  173. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:50 am

    For me the real question is would the Yankees settle for half a loaf even if it were possible ?

    That’s still a lot of moolah to write off.

  174. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Braun’s teammates hate him now.
    they can forgive the roids, but they dont forgive the adamant lying.
    He will have some uncomfortable days next spring.
    In Alex’s case, who really cares at this point?

  175. Captain Clutch July 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I wouldn’t mind the Soriano move if he was only signed for this year. But who wants him next year when he is 38? I guess the only money that the organization will put on the books is short contracts for older players. Especially players that other teams are desperate to get rid of(Wells and Soriano). Granderson and Soriano in the same lineup is going to be scary, they better not bat near each other. Actually building something would be nice….

  176. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:52 am

    sunny615 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Playing devil’s advocate here… but what exactly has the MLB have evidence wise to suspend Arod? He hasn’t actually produced a positive test and associating with a doper – while stupid – isn’t against the rules. Buying them isn’t a crime either. They don’t have any actual proof that Arod USED them – just bought them. So technically – couldn’t Arod just say you can’t suspend me and I’ve never tested positive for the Biogenesis case so I’ll sue you if you try to suspend me? Even if the MLBPA doesn’t back him, they could go to arbitration and it still wouldn’t have definitive proof he used them. Just bought them. It’s still circumstantial.
    —————-

    According to Jon Heyman, MLB has receipts, copies of checks and other documents to link Alex to Bosch.

    The JDA doesn’t specify that you have to use the steroids – just that there’s a probability of it.

    Either way, if MLB is seeking a lifetime ban that would cost him over $100 million – if they’re offering him a deal of 150 or 165 games, then he has to take it. You can’t risk that much money on whether an arbitration panel finds your story believable with circumstantial evidence piled against you.

  177. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    The main plus with Soriano is HE CAN HOMER….
    Will he hit .300? NO
    But at least he is a threat when he bats.

  178. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    “I like the Nostalgia of having him back. That first at bat will be awesome…”

    I also believe there will be a little bit of healing there because I don’t think he was treated entirely fairly by the Yankees.

  179. Captain Clutch July 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Also the Cubs better be paying almost all of that contract for next year

  180. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    86-

    Get me Young and Ruiz and I’m happy.

    Or at least satisfied.

    Soriano, Young, Jeter, Grandy, and Ruiz make a significant difference in O at some key spots.

  181. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Soriano isn’t an optimal addition to the team.

    Optimal would be a return of Tex, ARod, Jeter, Granderson and a trade for Stanton. Sadly, this isn’t a possibility. We can’t evaluate trades in comparison to what we’d like to happen, but what is possible.

    Right now, the market for RH power looks really weak. Soriano might be one of the best options we have right now.

  182. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Maybe they go to Alex and agree on a 2014 suspension for the year?
    I just dont see him sitting back and accepting that, especially when Braun only got 65.

  183. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    blake July 23rd, 2013 at 10:30 am

    “Wonder if the Royals would – we’ve heard that they’re willing to part with offense to get pitching that they can control. Both players are young, under team control and have been both great and awful. It’s a reasonably fair deal.”

    I think they might….it’s a risky trade for the Yanks really…..Nova has proven more at the big league level than Moustakis has…..he’s only 24 but he’s kinda stunk as a big leaguer…..you’d basically be making the deal in hopes that he blooms late. It’s a trade that could pan out or it could bust big time if Nova goes there and becomes a reliable 2 or 3 and Moose never gets any better…
    —————

    Yeah but the Yankees have arms and they can get more arms. Position players are harder to come by. It is a risky move for the same reason that Montero/Pineda was a risky move.

  184. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    “Well I think you’re wrong about that then – I think they are prosecuting those players who they can link to PED use. When the Mitchell Report came out the players named were mostly Mets and Yankees – it wasn’t that MLB was looking at the Mets and Yankees it was that the people who were cooperating with MLB had previously worked for the Mets and Yankees and so those were the instances of cheating that they knew about”

    There is a major metropolitan area bias and on a separate matter, as long as proven cheats like Otiz are celebrated it will all be a farce.

  185. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Ironic isnt it that Soriano may be coming to replace Alex’s bat in the lineup, considering he was traded for Alex in the first place.

  186. mick July 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I still like Michael Young.
    We need some new old blood, a transfusion…
    You saw how it worked in April.

  187. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “I think he did the best he could and I believe there was pretty much a tacit understanding that he was acknowledging use.”

    and I believe he has hid behind the good will of the media and has continued to do that until this day.

  188. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Maybe they go to Alex and agree on a 2014 suspension for the year?
    I just dont see him sitting back and accepting that, especially when Braun only got 65.
    ————-

    Reports are that the evidence they had on Braun was nothing compared to what they have on Alex.

    My guess is that in addition to the steroid use they also have Alex on that charge we heard about over the winter that he was trying to buy the records so he could destroy them before MLB got them.

  189. Tyler July 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Any guesses as to the mid-level prospect that the Yanks are giving up for Sori?

  190. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 am

    “Well I think you’re wrong about that then – I think they are prosecuting those players who they can link to PED use. When the Mitchell Report came out the players named were mostly Mets and Yankees – it wasn’t that MLB was looking at the Mets and Yankees it was that the people who were cooperating with MLB had previously worked for the Mets and Yankees and so those were the instances of cheating that they knew about”

    There is a major metropolitan area bias and on a separate matter, as long as proven cheats like Otiz are celebrated it will all be a farce.
    —————

    Ortiz’s violation came prior to the JDA going into effect. You can’t punish people for something they did before it was against the rules to do it.

  191. DAM23 July 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Compared to DH we have now, adding Soriano feels like getting Babe Ruth. Says a lot about Hafner. lol

  192. Wave Your Hat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    The Soriano move (if true) sure depresses me. It isn’t enough to win this year, and it begins to cement in some awfully dull pieces for next year.

  193. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Tyler July 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Any guesses as to the mid-level prospect that the Yanks are giving up for Sori?

    —–

    The Cubs scouted 24-year-old Triple-A right-hander Chase Whitley over the weekend, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Whitley has a 3.52 ERA with 8.7 K/9 and 3.1 BB/9 in 38 1/3 innings this season.

    mlbtraderumors.com

  194. NYYROC July 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Somebody metioned Cubs scouting P Chase Whitley.

  195. Chip July 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Tyler July 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Any guesses as to the mid-level prospect that the Yanks are giving up for Sori?
    ———————-

    Sounds like Chase Whitley:
    From MLB Traderumors

    The Cubs scouted 24-year-old Triple-A right-hander Chase Whitley over the weekend, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Whitley has a 3.52 ERA with 8.7 K/9 and 3.1 BB/9 in 38 1/3 innings this season.

  196. Kerry July 23rd, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Tyler July 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Any guesses as to the mid-level prospect that the Yanks are giving up for Sori?
    ——————————————————————————
    According to http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....riano.html – it’s Chase Whitley.

  197. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Wave Your Hat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:58 am
    The Soriano move (if true) sure depresses me. It isn’t enough to win this year, and it begins to cement in some awfully dull pieces for next year.

    —–

    If they get Soriano, a couple other players, and Jeter and Granderon return they could make a playoff push. I do agree about next year. The OF will be crowded with guys in their late 30s.

  198. mick July 23rd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Sori has better power #s this year vs RH pitching than left.
    No need to platoon him with Hafner.

  199. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    pat July 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “I think he did the best he could and I believe there was pretty much a tacit understanding that he was acknowledging use.”

    and I believe he has hid behind the good will of the media and has continued to do that until this day.

    ——————

    Yeah.. the treatment offered to both he and Andy (who involved his own father.. which was a laughable story then and now for a guy working out with Roger Clemens on the regular) is unreal.

    I just want to point out that we’re talking about Soriano and Granderson as possible additions that will give us, not a shot at the playoffs, but a shot at a playoff run. What world is this. We go on for another 3 weeks at a .500 clip and we’ll need Boston, the Rays and the O’s to sink like an anchor or divine intervention to make the post season.

  200. Tyler July 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Locke, Roc, Chip-

    Thanks! Sori is far from a solution but it’s worth a shot especially if the Cubs are eating most of that contract. Bullpen depth is one thing that this organization has. I’d love to see Betances get called up.

  201. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Ortiz’s violation came prior to the JDA going into effect. You can’t punish people for something they did before it was against the rules to do it.
    -

    The word I used is celebrated. He got no scrutiny, unlike MLB’s poster boy of evil.

    But ok, he is having his best year at 37. He is probably just a hard worker.

  202. tucker July 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am
    How much money do they have to set on fire this year before it almost exceeds what they will save with their tax dodge?
    Xxxxxx

    It really is astounding what they have spent on aging talent (Wells, Youk, Ichiro, potentially Soriano). They will spend more on these guys this year than they will save in 2014. And that
    doesn’t account for the money they lost from lagging ticket sales that can be directly tied to the
    subpar product on the field.

  203. Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Farewell Chase Whitley. We hardly knew ye!

  204. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Any guesses as to the mid-level prospect that the Yanks are giving up for Sori?
    ___

    Chase Whitley

  205. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 am

    “blake – I hope you didn’t also buy Clemens’ schtick. When evidence is overwhelming and someone gets off, it’s usually because a critical witness (Pettitte) suddenly has a memory lapse or the attorneys have thrown some distractor at the wall that has stuck. Clemens HOF vote is great indication that those who followed that trial cover to cover got it, despite the verdict.”

    with Braun it at least seemed plausible or possible that there was an error or false positive with the test…..or somebody tampered with it…..he stood in front of the world and said without question he was innocent and there was no way he was guilty…..he left no wiggle room in his comments……so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and at least maintained that it was possible he was telling the truth……turned out he lied straight to everyone’s face.

  206. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Word from Alex’s “camp” is they do not believe MLB has more evidence against Alex than they did Braun and they intend to fight allegations.

  207. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:04 am

    No way we can have Sori AND hafner on the roster. If he comes, Hafner has to be released. God help us if he isnt.

  208. eb03 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Getting Soriano is the worst move that could possibly be made. Cashman couldnt be any worse a GM than a guy living on the streets of NY, or even one of those crazy NY cabbies.

    Imagine what all the money that was spent on Youk, Wells, Hafner, Ichiro, and now Soriano could have been used on… Maybe Darvish, maybe this new guy Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez.

    The mismanagement of the Yankees is reaching a new low.

  209. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Word from Alex’s “camp” is they do not believe MLB has more evidence against Alex than they did Braun and they intend to fight allegations.
    ___

    Alex also believes the Yankees are working with MLB?
    How can he continue to play here given this relationship?

  210. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    See everyone thinks I’m nuts to suggest that the Sux are tipped off to drug testing, but would you have believed the Chicago Black Sox scandal, or that NBA referees were taking money to make bad calls? That stuff sounds ludicrous until you find out about it.

    Here’s my “evidence”, shaky though it may sound. Fat Slob Ortiz couldn’t hit his way out of Minnesota, but turned into Babe Ruth when he hit fenway. It was totally obvious he was using. Then we find out that his name was on the 2003 list, but the union lawyer plays ventriloquist and Ortiz never has to answer another question about it. The Sux tank badly and fans stop going to fenway. Of course this is bad for the Sux and bad for baseball. The Sux need to win their fans back, and Selig, being an intimate of Henry, devises a way for that to happen. And suddenly you have a team hitting nonstop, where even Igelesias, who couldn’t hit a lick, can’t stop hitting.

    Would it be outlandish to believe that “for the good of the game” you have a team drinking milkshakes and being tipped off as to when testing will be done? Not at all when you’re talking Bud Selig and John Henry. They’re as grimy as they come (check out other scurrilous things they’ve done in the past in tandem).

    Anyway, I absolutely believe they’re juicing and being warned about testing. Maybe the “agreement” is that once the fan base is won back, the other stuff will stop.

    Anyway, karma has gotten Laptops and now Lester is having problems, so while it may win back the fan base, in the end I truly don’t think it will much matter because without pitching they aren’t going to be able to sustain it.

  211. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Imagine what all the money that was spent on Youk, Wells, Hafner, Ichiro, and now Soriano could have been used on… Maybe Darvish, maybe this new guy Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez.
    ___

    You dont know how much the Yankees will pay for Soriano yet.
    We didnt need pitching so what does Darvish have to do with anything?
    I agree they could have gone after Cespedes, Puig, etc…. Though i have my doubts whether the Yankees would even play those guys or keep them in the minors.

    You guys dont get to play until there are no other options here.

  212. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    YOUNG guys. Sorry

  213. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    - TUESDAY MORNING MUSINGS -

    If the Yankees can go the entire season with Hafner doing his imitation of a windmill, why not Soriano in 2014 at 0 cost? Some of us advocated adding Soriano back in April, when it was obvious that the Yanks needed offense. Of course, Hal was concentrating on $$$ back then and Not the W-L record that was to ensue. Cashman? As usual, day late, dollar short.
    I continue to say, sticking Overbay, Wells, and Hafner in the center of the batting order is a dagger to the heart of the offense. SIMPLE
    MLB Umps at 2B continue to Butcher steal calls from coast-to-coast. Happened last night, all night. Epidemic Of Ineptitude.
    Leaving “The Freak” in for a 148 pitch No Hitter was obviously dumb, and cost the Giants a game last night. NOW the bigger question is whether an injury will strike Lincecum as we saw with the Mets Santana. They never seem to learn.

  214. eb03 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    tricia, it’s not that they’re warned about testing. it’s simply that the red sox cheat better than the yankees too. they use undetectable drugs and do not leave paper trails behind a la ARod.

  215. NYYROC July 23rd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Will be interesting to see how Joe uses the roster. When Jeter comes back he’ll probabaly DH most of the time. Meaning Sori has to play OF. Gotta figure Gardy & Ichiro play most of the time. Wells odd man out? What happens when Grandy comes back (per Cashman early August)?

  216. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 11:10 am

    How can he continue to play here given this relationship
    -
    $

  217. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Trisha -

    What good is the MLB testing system if A-Rod never tested positive, after that test that did not count.

    Had it not been for the Miami newspaper, MLB would still be going along thinking all is well, a joke.

    I can’t simply take the word of such a low life that will say whatever Selig wants him to, in order to spare himself jail time. Selig has had it out for A-Rod, and Braun (ever since Braun made MLB and Selig look like fools), so any rational person that does not believe this matter is personal to Selig, does not have their eyes open.

  218. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 am

    If we get Soriano, I bet Wells starts platooning at 1B with Overbay.

  219. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I bet Wells takes over 1b and Overbay starts platooning in LF

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Word from Alex’s “camp” is they do not believe MLB has more evidence against Alex than they did Braun and they intend to fight allegations.”

    LMAO!!! The time for Alex’s “camp” to put up a fight would have been when this first broke. Innocent people usually do that. Look for Arod to spend a lot of time away from baseball.

    But that said, what is your position on all of this, if you have one? You come on with these little snippets, usually in defense of Alex, but you never make a statement. Are you saying you believe Alex is innocent, or don’t you really care about that stuff one way or another, you just want him back? Do you have an opinion – not that you have to give one. I just find it peculiar that you show up with someone else’s information that always seems to try to credit Alex but you never say anything on your own. Or if you do, I apparently have missed it. Do you have an opinion on the use of PEDs in baseball and whether people who do it should be punished?

  221. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I agree with the Ortiz stuff. I thought it was insane that A-rod had to answer questions about using roids prior to 2004, yet ORTIZ on the same list as A-rod didn’t answer any questions. They lawyered him up and that was the end of it. Meanwhile this guy had to apologize for stuff that he did prior to drug testing taking place. No doubt in my mind that Ortiz juices or has juiced sometime in his career post 2004.

    Please Note: I’m aware that he is a cheater and still uses, but It was pretty unfair at that time how it was handled. Even Manny Ramirez was on the list of 105 or whatever numbers of players it was.

  222. Wave Your Hat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:15 am

    By the time Jeter and Granderson get back, and have had enough reps to have become productive, it is going to be too late to make a play-off push. They’ll be 7 or 8 games back of the wild card, with two or three teams to climb over. Even with Soriano, the team isn’t going to be good enough to make up that kind of ground.

  223. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Think it over. Would you rather have Wells or Soriano in 2012? The Wells trade looks absolutely Stupid when you stack the numbers each player has compiled to date this season. Cashman continues to show why this franchise is currently where it’s at.

  224. tucker July 23rd, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Am surprised the Cubs would be willing to eat the vast majority of Soriano’s $24.9million contract in exchange for Chase Whitley. Must be more to this deal. If the Yanks pay all of the 6.9 million remaining this year, will the Cubs pick up all of the $18 million owed next year?

  225. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Make that 2014

  226. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Alec Baldwin interviews Gooden:

    http://www.stitcher.com/podcas.....oplay=true

  227. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “I can’t simply take the word of such a low life that will say whatever Selig wants him to, in order to spare himself jail time. Selig has had it out for A-Rod, and Braun (ever since Braun made MLB and Selig look like fools), so any rational person that does not believe this matter is personal to Selig, does not have their eyes open.”

    Big Al, opening your eyes means taking a look at the names on that list and realizing that Bosch didn’t just pull random names out of the air. And if you think Selig wanted this dumped in his seedy lap, you don’t know jack sh*t about Selig. Selig had this foisted upon him by Congress. He didn’t want this any more than he wanted a case of the clap. He and Fehr stonewalled this as much as they could, until they couldn’t any more.

    Do you know why Congress has Bud by the throat? If you know the answer to that, then you will see why your response really doesn’t hold water. If you don’t, I’ll tell you and then you’ll better understand Bud’s newfound “commitment” to eradicating steroids from the game.

  228. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    My Primary target Now that Soriano is probably being added would be MORNEAU.

  229. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    WYH-

    Agreed. They’ll need a lot more than Soriano.

  230. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Braun going “plea deal” gives Bosch all the credibility necessary to fry all those on his paperwork. The house of cards is crumbling Fast.

  231. Hankflorida July 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Mick and Trisha, convince me that Hal making a blue print to have Gardner and Suzuki play together in the outfield is a sound baseball decision after losing the power numbers from last years team and that it is not based on reinventing the team to one of speed and defense in order to build a team that does not threaten his cap.

  232. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    New Lohud game. Guess the length of AROD’s suspension. I am going with 125 games.

  233. Hassey July 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Dave Collins and Jerry Mumphrey

  234. djsunyc July 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Shame Spencer July 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 am
    You know, the thing that I find interesting about this PED stuff is the one major aspect of the whole situation that’s being overlooked: None of these guys tested positive (outside of Braun, who was on horse steroids if his test is any indication).

    None of these guys would have gotten caught if not for journalists in Miami. I’m still not sure how baseball can count this as a victory. They will of course.. but why is it not giving anyone else pause?

    ————————-

    considering braun agreed to this suspension, it gives what boesch was saying a whole lot of credence.

  235. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    The Soriano trade doesn’t cost the Yankees anything really no…..but the problem that a lot of folks are overlooking IMO is the opportunity cost lost this season by not selling some assets to build for the future.

    If you really think this team is good enough to win the WS then ok…..I won’t argue because our evaluations of the team are just different fundamentally…..but if you’re like me and think they just aren’t good enough and likely nothing Cashman can do will make them good enough then it’s time to pull the plug and think about next season…….that’s what pretty much every other club in baseball would do if they had the Yankees roster.

  236. Captain Clutch July 23rd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    @Jim_Duquette

    GM Jed Hoyer just told us – “we’ve had convos with teams about Soriano, but nothing is close at all”

  237. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    “New Lohud game. Guess the length of AROD’s suspension. I am going with 125 games.”

    I’ll stick with 100….in which he starts before he’s able to come back from the DL

  238. blake July 23rd, 2013 at 11:26 am

    wow…..there is a lot of misinformation out there in baseball reporting.

  239. Captain Clutch July 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    If the Cubs are eating a lot of that contract they are going to want decent prospects back. I can’t see Cashman doing that. Whitley might be one piece but it would take more.

  240. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I actually like Morneau. The Twins would ask for a worthy prospect probably.

  241. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Blake-

    I understand your POV and I have some sympathy with it.

    But the Yankees never say die.

  242. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    New Lohud game. Guess the length of AROD’s suspension. I am going with 125 games.
    ____

    Rest of 2013 and ALL of 2014.

  243. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    So they want more tha Chase for the ghost of Sori.

  244. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “Braun going “plea deal” gives Bosch all the credibility necessary to fry all those on his paperwork. The house of cards is crumbling Fast.”

    Yes, yes, and yes.

    And kudos to the MLB players who came out and said there should be life-time bans for steroid use. I’m sure there are a lot of players who are tired of seeing the sport they love used as a cesspool because of players who continue to use PEDs.

  245. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Cashman is responsible for this roster. Why would you allow him to “sell assets to build for the future”? That’s DUMB

  246. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Biggest problem is the Yankee brass feel like fans wont get behind a rebuilding.
    They think because we are angry we are losing, that they have to keep trying to bring vets in.
    What they dont get is we arent mad we are losing but how we are losing.
    I personally can accept losing if it means building for a better team next year and after.

  247. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Hankflorida, well they did think they’d have Granderson in the outfield also, and I don’t fault them for playing Gardner. He’s one of the fastest guys on the team, and no matter how he has to get on base, there are potential runs there.

    I think they are trying to make some kind of hybrid,

  248. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    ac-

    You might be the exception rather than the rule ?

  249. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    You can Not talk about “pulling the plug” in July when you have a record Over .500. Once again, DUMB

  250. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 am

    New Lohud game. Guess the length of AROD’s suspension. I am going with 125 games.
    ____

    80 games.

  251. RadioKev July 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Does the MLB have any grounds to go after the lifetime ban for A-Rod? If so, I’d say he’ll take a deal for the full 150. I can’t see him getting less than 100 games if he does plea.

  252. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 am

    I think they are trying to make some kind of hybrid, going back to pitching as their chief strength, and sure they are trying to keep under that cap in the process. Don’t forget, they didn’t count on having their entire infield (save Cano) out for the season, nor Granderson. There’s power in the regulars that are down.

    How did I do?

    :)

  253. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Does the MLB have any grounds to go after the lifetime ban for A-Rod? If so, I’d say he’ll take a deal for the full 150. I can’t see him getting less than 100 games if he does plea.
    ____

    If they go 150, that means we have to deal with alex in the minors in 2014 on rehab too?
    Would like him just to go for a full year so we dont have to hear anything about him for a change.

  254. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 11:36 am

    A life-time ban might be good. We want to make examples of these players in order to tell future generations “This is wrong, Don’t even try it”. Some people are really passionate about the sport and it really upsets them when these things happen.

    As much as I dislike Schilling, he is one of those who love the game tremendously. People should be punished, some life-time bans others harsh suspensions. I wish MLB did a press conference saying we are suspending these group of players A, B , C, D etc. It is much better than each of them being suspended individually. Clean up the game, show them this won’t be tolerated.

  255. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    ac1 – I live in Florida and am an avid Jaguars fan. The fans here have been able to get behind the rebuild once we fired the GM and Head Coach after years of embarrassing seasons. It’s going to take a lot more then missing the playoffs with a .500+ team get the regular fans to accept a rebuild.

    I think the LoHudders see the bad contracts, aging stars, and bottom loaded farm system as a sign it’s time to rebuild, but the regular fan base doesn’t. I recently talked to somebody who said Jeter was one of the best SS in baseball – I think that level of analysis is representative of the typical fan.

  256. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    trisha -

    You are entitled to have any opinion you wish, but to say any person being accused in the newspapers of wrong doing must come out a defend themselves, or be judged as guilty, is not how it’s suppose to work, and as an attorney, you of all people should know that. We don’t convict those accused of wrong doing in the press, and if A-Rods attorneys told him to not respond to the news stories, he was wise to follow their direction. By all your previous statements, it’s obvious you have a great dislike for A-Rod, and that’s fine, but to give 100% credence to the Biogenics low life, that kept hand written notes, much of them not dated, and easily altered to suit his purpose, to stay out of jail, then you sound like those that want to hang some one charged with a crime that’s being tried in the court of public opinion, rather than allowing all the facts to be laid out in a proper hearing.

    Yes, A-Rod very well might be guilty, but, until it’s proven, or he admits to it, I’ll simply wait for this to play out, rather than jump on the band wagon of those quick to judge and condemm.

  257. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    All this winning has spoiled many Yankee fans. They now feel entitled to Championships each and every year.

    That’s partially the Brass’s fault for setting that bar so high.

    They don’t remember, or at least accept, the lean times as readily.

    No one stays on top forever. And no one languishes at the bottom forever.

    People need to be a little more realistic. But most aren’t.

    ;)

  258. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:38 am

    “None of these guys would have gotten caught if not for journalists in Miami. I’m still not sure how baseball can count this as a victory. They will of course.. but why is it not giving anyone else pause?”

    Why should it give you pause? And who cares whether its a victory for MLB or not? If it’s helping to clean up the game, it’s a victory for the game.

    You can say the same thing for the players named in the Mitchell Report. None of those guys would have been named if it hadn’t been for the Mitchell Report. Yet that was considered a victory for MLB, and interestingly enough some of the guys came out and admitted use, despite the fact that hadn’t tested positive. Andy is one.

    I personally don’t care what means they have to use to clean up the game, if the end result is they clean it up.

  259. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    A-Rod getting that 2nd Opinion from his Hip Dr, tells me he is looking to hang ‘em up. He wants Dr Hip to say that his current injury is related to the hip condition and that the hip(s) will be a problem the remainder of his entire life. END OF STORY, END OF A-ROD.

  260. fantasygame101 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    this yr plus next yr suspension is my guess. if the evidence is that great, mlb should go no less.

  261. Warning Track Power July 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Regarding the game last night, the team never really had a chance since they
    arrived in Texas at 6 am local time.
    The game was a throwaway.
    Looking for a better result these next 3 games because the Rangers have their own
    hitting problems at the moment.

  262. ConcernedCitizen July 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am

    If Yankees get Soriano, does Hafner get DFA’ed?

  263. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    A-Rod getting that 2nd Opinion from his Hip Dr, tells me he is looking to hang ‘em up. He wants Dr Hip to say that his current injury is related to the hip condition and that the hip(s) will be a problem the remainder of his entire life. END OF STORY, END OF A-ROD.
    ___

    Tells me he doesn’t believe the Yankees and their Doctors.

  264. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Kelvin – I think they might have announced the Braun deal to influence the other players to accept deals rather then drag out the appeals process. The best thing for baseball, in my opinion, would be for all the biogenesis guys to accept deals. That way the appeals process can be avoided and it will be in the news for less time.

  265. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:41 am

    If Yankees get Soriano, does Hafner get DFA’ed?
    ___

    It SHOULD. But seeing how the Yankees make decisions, more likely they find the youngest guy on the roster and send him back to AAA because “he has options”.

  266. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Agree once again DONNYBROOK.

    People make it out to be like this medical retirement thing is a long shot. The man has had 2 surgeries on his hip joint.

    PPD = Permanent Partial Disability.

    I bet that’s all they need to document for a medical retirement.

    An example of PPD is if you can’t hyper extend your thumb.

    I shattered my thumb joint and have this PPD on my medical record.

    The hip joint need only limitations in mobility and I bet Arod can score a PPD.

  267. Locke July 23rd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    ConcernedCitizen July 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 am
    If Yankees get Soriano, does Hafner get DFA’ed?

    —–

    I’d guess so… I hope so. He was great for the first month, but has been really struggling since then.

  268. Wave Your Hat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “If Yankees get Soriano, does Hafner get DFA’ed?”

    With Neal and Mesa on the roster, no way.

  269. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    And so I suck at hitch hiking.

  270. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Donny-

    It’s not that easy. That ain’t gonna fly.

    The insurance company has their Physician’s and they must agree too.

    It’s not like getting a note that you’re sick from your Parents so you can miss school.

    There is over 100 MILLION dollars at stake.

    ;)

  271. fantasygame101 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    until granderson comes back, hafner should still be the dh against righty. Since this season is all about hope and luck, I hope that he found his swing back and get lucky again.

  272. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    “No one stays on top forever. And no one languishes at the bottom forever.”

    **************************************
    Tell that to the Astro’s, lol

  273. mnmboys July 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 am

    They have to start thinking about replacing the left side of the infield and there is no one internally to fill those spots. would a team like texas trade Profar for Cano as a rental to have the opportunity to win it all this year? We can then resign Cano as a free agent after the season. They need to make moves for beyond 2013. Soriano and Young accomplish little beyond 2013.

  274. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I don’t think a medical retirement with this much money involved is a one step process. The groundwork could be being laid, but it would likely takes months to a year to get a full resolution.

  275. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    After A-Rod was grilled by the MLB Gum Shoes, he went MIA for that night’s Bush League Game, then when he did play the following night, got hurt. Then he wants a 2nd Opinion via Dr Hip. It all fits. A-Rod is desperately searching for an exit strategy where he can Not admit to using, And keep his $$$.

  276. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Big Al – I’m pretty quick at these things. Call it part of my perspicacity. There isn’t an iota of a doubt in my mind that Bosch’s list is accurate. Gio Gonzalez IMMEDIATELY protested and MLB aceded because it was shown he was actually using legal supplements he bought there.

    If Arods lawyers counseled him to shut up and hope it went away, then he had idiots for attorneys. I certainly doubt he was counseled to keep quiet because he’s innocent.

    BECAUSE I’m a lawyer I know how these things works, perhaps better than you do or most laypeople do. I haven’t been wrong yet in making “quick” judgments – I’d rather call them assessments. I don’t need someone to walk me through the alphabet letter by letter in order for me to be able to find Z.

    If you need to hold it ’til the bitter end, then do so.

    Bosch will only end up in jail if he lies, not if he tells the truth.

    By the way, you didn’t answer my question. Do you know why your responses are not holding water in terms of Selig and his “personal vendetta” or do you not? Do you know what hold Congress has over Bud and why Bud is playing the role of assertive hero in all of this? Yes or no?

  277. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Al-

    I did say “forever” not just a long time.

    ;)

  278. ManningRules July 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “think they are trying to make some kind of hybrid, going back to pitching as their chief strength, and sure they are trying to keep under that cap in the process. Don’t forget, they didn’t count on having their entire infield (save Cano) out for the season, nor Granderson. There’s power in the regulars that are down”

    If they didn’t assume at least a few DL stints for infielders closing in on 40 years old, post-surgery for each, and all the other issues, then shame on them.

    Seriously.

  279. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    MTU,

    The insurance company that scored a contract with the New York Yankees has been banking on them for years. The Yankees are a preferred client.

    There’s no such thing as fraud when you’re a multibillion dollar corporation and preferred client. The Yankees will get preferential treatment. Of course Arod’s doctor has to do his fair share. 2 hip surgeries down, 1 to go.

  280. pat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 am

    My position is there are at least 3 sides to every story and all sides deserve a voice. My “snippets” are meant to share what I’ve heard.

    I don’t care about players using PEDs. I think they already used/use a bunch of them with league sanction.

    I think the people who play the “what about the children” card are just too lazy or incompetent to parent their own children. I have 4 kids who all play sports- 2 on the collegiate level- and we have taught them to admire players skills but role models are people you know.

    I think the media controls too much of what people think.

    I think Alex needs to play 1 more game in a Yankee uniform so all those speaking from the pulpit would possibly think twice before pretending to know it all next time.

  281. Rich in NJ July 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    They have to start thinking about replacing the left side of the infield and there is no one internally to fill those spots
    -

    Some of us have said for several years that they needed to put a plan in place. Instead, they have done nothing that matters.

  282. ManningRules July 23rd, 2013 at 11:47 am

    “BECAUSE I’m a lawyer I know how these things works, perhaps better than you do or most laypeople do. I haven’t been wrong yet in making “quick” judgments – I’d rather call them assessments. I don’t need someone to walk me through the alphabet letter by letter in order for me to be able to find Z.”

    Good Grief.

  283. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    MTU -

    From news reports I’ve read, the insurance co. docs will have little to no input concerning A-Rods ability to play baseball. His personal doctors, and the Yankees team doctors will make that decision, knowing insurance doctors are shills that would say he could play, if they removed his left leg.

    A-Rods doctors are too well respected to be thought of as just writing him off, if his condition didn’t warrant it.

  284. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Profar is as close to untouchable as their is.

    He certainly isn’t going anywhere for a rental.

    Even one of Cano’s stature.

    Besides, that assumes the Yankees would trade Cano which I don’t think they will.

  285. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I agree with ac1

    But I would not be shocked by a negotiated career ban that gets Alex some of his money but eliminates any chance he plays again.

    Does he really want to try and comeback in 2015, the season during which he turns 40 and will have played two half-seasons in four years?

    IF the Yanks get Soriano AND want to go for another addition it really should be someone that can play 3B. It’s the weakest position on the team.

    Best available is probably Aramis Ramirez, but there’s serious $$$ on his contract…. $ 16 M for 2014 + mutual option for $ 16 or $ 4 M buyout for 2015.

    I wouldn’t do that

  286. Wave Your Hat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    “Some of us have said for several years that they needed to put a plan in place. Instead, they have done nothing that matters.”

    That’s because the Yanks think, or seem to think, Jeter will be playing SS when he’s 50.

  287. ManningRules July 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Some of us have said for several years that they needed to put a plan in place. Instead, they have done nothing that matters.

    Bingo. But apparently, they had no idea that there may have been the slight chance of it all collapsing with a couple guys closer to 40 than 35, playing key defensive positions, coming of major surgeries…

    Crickets..

  288. DONNYBROOK July 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am

    A lotta people believe medicine is black and white. An MRI does NOT show All injuries, and interpretations of such are Not the same in the medical community. A-Rod has had Major surgeries on Both hips, and now he is relying on his Own Dr that performed this “major surgery” to Red Carpet his escape. Actually pretty SMART

  289. mnmboys July 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Rich – I dont think they planned on Jeter busting his ankle and staring at a career threatening injury or ARod being dumb enough to get busted with PEDs again.

    They should look over the rosters of the teams out of the playoffs and find a way to get younger on the left side. I like the Castro kid on the Cubs for example

  290. Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Prado solves 3B and SS with Nunez until Jeter retires and then maybe Headley is signed with Prado sliding to SS.

    It only takes one acquisition now and one later.

    Prado (2013-2014) + Headley (2015)

  291. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    And Big Al, I respect your decision to wait until everything plays out, and yes that’s how it’s supposed to work in our justice system. I just find it impossible to take off my lawyer hat, and lawyers are paid to make assessments before the whole thing is played out. Based on everything I’ve heard to date, I’ve made the assesment that I have.

    :D

  292. Wave Your Hat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    The reason the Yanks seem to have no SS/3B alternatives is simple. They have an icon clogging up SS, and $100MM clogging up 3B.

  293. mnmboys July 23rd, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Get the Castro kid from the Cubs to play SS and move Jeter to 3B

  294. BIG AL July 23rd, 2013 at 11:54 am

    trisha -

    I’ve said all I’m willing to on the subject of A-Rod and PEDS.

    It appears you are getting to the point of making this personal, so I’ll back out, and leave you go at it.

    By the way, I’m not a school boy in need of a lesson!

    Have a nice day, bye y’ll.

  295. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Al-

    That makes no sense. They are the ones paying the claim, and it’s a huge one at that.

    They will certainly want their own guys to examine A-Rod to see if they agree with the findings.

    if they do it’s no problem but they may not. And they certainly have strong reasons to dispute any claim.

    Over 100 Million of them.

    Insurance companies are the Kings of business. They have the best lawyers known to Man.

    And when necessary I would imagine they can find a physician who might be willing to take a contrary POV.

    if A-Rod were to be re-injured in some way and require a 3rd surgery then perhaps you’d be onto something.

    or he got that necrosis that took Bo Jackson. There is no evidence that’s the case at this point.

    I he can swing a bat and run to 1st base he isn’t getting paid.

    A sore quad isn’t sufficient. Nowhere near it.

  296. jacksquat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    djsunyc July 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    considering braun agreed to this suspension, it gives what boesch was saying a whole lot of credence.

    No, it doesn’t. MLB is just threatening players with longer suspensions to get them to try to plea bargain. That’s what Braun did. That’s probably what most of the others will do. The “evidence” has not even stood up in an arbitration hearing, nevermind a court of law.

    I’m not defending Arod or any of them, but I think the process sucks. They have paid for sketchy papers from a person/people who engaged in criminal acts. This is what is being used to strong arm the players. The players are in a bad spot because you never know what basically boils down to one arbitration judge will decide, with rules that are not as stringent as a court of law.

    Selig is saying “this slimy guy says you did stuff so I’ve decided to suspend you”.

  297. Warning Track Power July 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Soriano is NOT the answer. My level of excitement for him is very low.

    Hafner has to stay on this team until Granderson returns.

  298. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Big Al —–

    I have a friend who writes sports disability policies.

    He says normally a third party medical entity is pre-determined to either serve as the determining evaluation in a claim OR to serve as an arbitrator in the event the company disputes the claim.

    Are you aware of something differing from that in A-rod’s/other case?

  299. ManningRules July 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    “By the way, I’m not a school boy in need of a lesson!”

    Oh, that matters very, very little, Big Al. If there is a corner in which Trisha can toss you into to spew her regurgitated verbal vomit on you, she will.
    Again, shes a lawyer – she knows it all.

  300. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Not smart at all Brook because he is not the final authority on the matter.

    He is just one of many experts who would be consulted.

    Appeal to authority is a standard logical flaw.

  301. Warning Track Power July 23rd, 2013 at 11:58 am

    jacksquat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 am
    djsunyc July 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    considering braun agreed to this suspension, it gives what boesch was saying a whole lot of credence.

    No, it doesn’t. MLB is just threatening players with longer suspensions to get them to try to plea bargain. That’s what Braun did. That’s probably what most of the others will do. The “evidence” has not even stood up in an arbitration hearing, nevermind a court of law.

    I’m not defending Arod or any of them, but I think the process sucks. They have paid for sketchy papers from a person/people who engaged in criminal acts. This is what is being used to strong arm the players. The players are in a bad spot because you never know what basically boils down to one arbitration judge will decide, with rules that are not as stringent as a court of law.

    Selig is saying “this slimy guy says you did stuff so I’ve decided to suspend you”.
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    I agree. The entire process sucks. MLB went out of their way to pay for information.
    How credible is that information when money was exchanged?
    MLB is doing all they can to appear as the hero’s. It was only 10-15 years ago when
    MLB turned the other way when so many players were taking Steroids.
    Funny how that works? I think Bud Selig should be the subject of an investigation. How does that sound?
    MLB and the media should be ashamed of themselves right now. Instead they are taking
    turns patting one another on the back for a job well done.

  302. MTU July 23rd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    New one —–>

  303. jacksquat July 23rd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    ManningRules July 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 am
    Some of us have said for several years that they needed to put a plan in place. Instead, they have done nothing that matters.

    Bingo. But apparently, they had no idea that there may have been the slight chance of it all collapsing with a couple guys closer to 40 than 35, playing key defensive positions, coming of major surgeries…

    Actually, they probably still would have been ok if not for injuries to players who shouldn’t have missed the entire season like Granderson and Teixeira, and Cervelli would probably help also. Not to mention even losing younger guys like Nunez who was replaced by even worse, and even Almonte.

  304. ac1 July 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I dont think Jeter has the arm for 3B.
    I think Jeter is the type of guy that when he diminishes past being a positive on this team, he will retire.

    And YES, the Yankees have NO SS in the system, but they are starting to take care of the 3B issue with a college player in the first round this year. Maybe he moves fast. Also, keep letting Adams and Musty work at 3rd. If Cano resigns, they should also try to move that 2b they got in the 2nd round to SS.

  305. ManningRules July 23rd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    “this slimy guy says you did stuff so I’ve decided to suspend you”.

    I think it’s a good approach. Not knowing if Selig has anything on them or not, the guilty will certainly crumble under the cloak of public embarrassment even further.
    I would imagine that RB had no idea what they had, exactly. But, he knew he was guilty and he knew the other route might be even worse.
    Just my opinion – I’m not a lawyer.

  306. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    For AROD or the Yankees to prevail in a claim for disability they will need to prove by the greater weight of evidence he is unable to play. You can be sure the insurance company will thoroughly review every record, every physical exam and every imaging study. They can probably have him examined by a doctor they choose.

    Collecting $100M is not easy. The Astros fought bitterly to get money for Bagwell’s claim, and his seemed pretty obvious to me.

  307. G. Love July 23rd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    I’ll take Soriano and not complain. If you think he can’t help this lineup, you’re blind.

    He’s step 1. If they’re getting Soriano, more steps will be coming.

    The fact that they are going to get him tells me Cashman is about to shake this lineup up.

    I, for one, don’t think it’s too late.

  308. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    “Good Grief.”

    I’m thinking grief is never good.

    *************

    “I don’t care about players using PEDs. I think they already used/use a bunch of them with league sanction”

    That’s what I wanted to know.

    And while I hear what you’re saying about parenting and teaching, unfortunately not everyone has parents who teach proper values, or who even bother teaching. In those cases, it apparently does take a village to raise a child and perhaps role models that shouldn’t necessarily be, become them. I’d rather have every child have a fighting chance, and if teaching by making negative examples of people who cheat is one way to do it, then maybe there’s value in it.

    ***************

    For any one you who seriously would consider wanting a known ‘roid user (back) on the team, at least remember that one of the by-products is breaking down of the body.

  309. 86w183 July 23rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    jacksquat —-

    You really think Braun would willingly surrender $3.4 Million dollars and untold public humiliation unless he was guilty and the evidence was overwhelming?

    I sure don’t.

  310. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    There is actually overwhelming evidence against nearly all the players in this case. Receipts, Checks, Actual signatures, blood samples, heck just maybe even footage of players coming in to this guys office.

    Ryan Braun accepted the suspension immediately because players union will not fight for players who have overwhelming evidence against them. The odds were stacked against him, he knew he would lose an appeal, best bet is to do a plea deal.

    The other players I’m sure are shocked, scared to death, nervous is the proper word.

  311. austinmac July 23rd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Trisha,

    I see Soriano as better than what we have, and if he doesn’t cost a good prospect, why not? However, my concern is age and now we have another old player for 2014.

  312. Hankflorida July 23rd, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue says:
    July 23, 2013 at 11:33 am
    I think they are trying to make some kind of hybrid, going back to pitching as their chief strength, and sure they are trying to keep under that cap in the process. Don’t forget, they didn’t count on having their entire infield (save Cano) out for the season, nor Granderson. There’s power in the regulars that are down.

    How did I do?
    You did fine as you are willing to admit the the hybrid concept is where Hal wants to go where he does not have to shell out big bucks for the power hitters like his father did. My problem is that our park does not fit his concept of pitching, speed and defense. The Dodgers did it successfully when they went from 178 home runs to 78 but they groomed their team from Ebbets Field to Chavez Ravine, and the Giants did it after the Bonds era. Mick thinks that Hal will be a big spender, but you are more realistic on his intentions to stay under the cap. Even though I disagree as this reinvention may bring us back to the “Horace Clarke Era,” you may be right that this is the beginning of a new formula for success.

  313. Kelvin July 23rd, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    I agree with G.Love, It is not too late. I see better things on the horizon as well my friend.

  314. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 23rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    “It appears you are getting to the point of making this personal, so I’ll back out, and leave you go at it.

    By the way, I’m not a school boy in need of a lesson!”

    Big Al – not at all personal! I said I understand why you’d want to wait ’til the end to see the outcome and not make a judgment before that.

    And I see you apparently don’t know the answer to my question. That’s all you had to say. If you ever want to know, all you have to do is ask.

    ;)

  315. Captain Clutch July 23rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Hopefully Cashman can also get someone to play 3rd base or platoon with Overbay. Assuming that Jeter and Granderson come back plus if they get Soriano that would definitely help. I am obviously not including Arod since I doubt we will see him again this year.

  316. comet July 23rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 23rd, 2013 at 11:42 am
    Agree once again DONNYBROOK.

    People make it out to be like this medical retirement thing is a long shot. The man has had 2 surgeries on his hip joint.

    PPD = Permanent Partial Disability.

    I bet that’s all they need to document for a medical retirement.

    An example of PPD is if you can’t hyper extend your thumb.

    I shattered my thumb joint and have this PPD on my medical record.

    The hip joint need only limitations in mobility and I bet Arod can score a PPD.

    *************************************************************************

    Brett don’t you think an insurance company that has to pay out in this fantasy will fight this tooth and nail? They’re not going to pay because ARod is too old to play effectively. They will only pay if there is medical proof from some pretty reputable and neutral doctors that ARod cannot continue his baseball career because of medical reasons. Age is not a medical reason. In any event according to JF the Yankees still have to count his salary for cap purposes.

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