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A-Rod’s doctor says there’s no injury

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 24, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Having been diagnosed with a Grade 1 quadriceps strain, Alex Rodriguez asked for a second MRI review by Dr. Michael Gross of Hackensack Medical Center. Today, Dr. Gross went on Mike Francesa’s radio show and announced that he does not believe Rodriguez is injured.

“I looked at his MRI this morning,” Dr. Gross said. “(Rodriguez) asked me to look at it. I spent about 20 minutes going over it. I look particularly at his quadriceps muscle. To be perfectly honest, I don’t see any sort of injury there. … A Grade 1 strain is a clinical diagnosis, which means you base it on the person’s symptoms and on examining them. It’s not impossible not to see much on an MRI. It’s such a small thing that you might not see it on an MRI. That said, I didn’t see anything.”

Dr. Gross said he also spoke with Rodriguez this morning, and Rodriguez said he feels no pain in the quadriceps, which further leads Dr. Gross to believe there’s no injury. Rodriguez asked whether he’s healthy enough to play.

“I said, ‘Alex, very specifically, without examining you I couldn’t possibly make that call,’” Dr. Gross said. “But I asked him, ‘Do you think you’re fit to play?’ And he said, ’100 percent.’”

Of course, it’s worth noting that just four days ago — the day before he went for an MRI — Rodriguez reported to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre complaining of quad tightness and switched from third base to designated hitter because of the injury.

“It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

 
 

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240 Responses to “A-Rod’s doctor says there’s no injury”

  1. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    I bet Manny Ramirez has more life in his bat than Alex.

  2. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “How could MLB possibly ban A-rod for life?? That’s not part of the steroid testing. He’s never been caught, should be 50 games maximum.”

    they can do whatever they want….the question is can they make it hold up? In order to make a lifetime ban stick they have to have more on him than just he used some stuff from Tony Boesch….I mean they’d have to prove he obstructed the investigation….distributed and recruited more guys to use etc…….something besides just using himself.

  3. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Jay Jaffe ?@jay_jaffe 5m
    still waiting for “A-Rod is worse than Hitler” column we deserve. Surely a crusty old fart has written that & is saving it for right moment

  4. luis July 24th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Later guys…

  5. Don July 24th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    The Arod story is completely crazy.

  6. Shame Spencer July 24th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Where is Selena Roberts when you need her, amirite??

  7. john smith July 24th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    they can do whatever they want….the question is can they make it hold up? In order to make a lifetime ban stick they have to have more on him than just he used some stuff from Tony Boesch….I mean they’d have to prove he obstructed the investigation….distributed and recruited more guys to use etc…….something besides just using himself.

    Just feels very unfair to me to suspend players for random amounts of time. Where does 65 games for Braun even come from? I thought first time offenders = 50 games? Feels really shady to me

  8. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

    _________

    And there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth yet fans think the Yankees are trying to keep Arod on the DL.

    Arod has no grounds to insinuate that the Yankees are making up stuff to collect insurance money. Maybe this accusation was retaliation for the NY Daily News article suggesting Arod was rushing back to baseball to file for medical retirement and engage in his own game of insurance fraud.

  9. chicken little July 24th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    This whole thing stinks of A-Rod not being able to help himself. Granted, its crystal clear that the Yankees can’t stand A-Rod and want to be finished with him, but what benefit is there of having your doctor go on the radio and decree you healthy to play? I mean, why give the Yankees even more ammunition to hate you? Instead, have your doctor call the Yankee doctor to discuss it with him and deal with this quietly. But again, since he has been in the MLB, A-Rod constantly has had to make himself the story, more often than not, to his own detriment.

  10. Shame Spencer July 24th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Jay Jaffe ?@jay_jaffe 5m
    still waiting for “A-Rod is worse than Hitler” column we deserve. Surely a crusty old fart has written that & is saving it for right moment

    —————–

    It is funny how there are some factions of the media that are more focused on the media coverage than the actual events.

    I’m telling you… at one point you’re going to see a guy so vilified that he bites back and makes it hurt.

    People can brush off this idea that a player can point a finger at a manager or coach or GM because they won’t have proof but I’m telling you, once the door is cracked open you’re inviting people to knock it down. And they will. That’s always how stories like this go. One mistress tells all and 100 find their way out of the woodwork. One person makes an accusation and journalists are selling their family members to find out the dirt.

  11. john smith July 24th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Just think .. we could have been rid of A-rod after 2007. He was off the team, Cashman had no desire to re-sign him.

    That is, until Hank and Hal stepped in.

    :(

  12. kd July 24th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Bob Klapisch ?@BobKlap 4m

    A-Rod’s “doctor” implying there’s no injury? First, this MD has not examined AR. Second, wasn’t AR the one who reported quad prob on Sat?

  13. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    A-Rod’s biggest problem is he continues to insist on going outside the Yankees for doctors, supplements, drugs, etc.

  14. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    A-Rod NEEDS the drama. It’s like a disease.
    A week ago I was actually excited for his return.
    I should have known better.

  15. mick July 24th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Alex is acting under the advise of his lawyers I would assume.
    I would also assume most of what he says are lies.
    Whatever happens, happens…
    Stopping him from playing says more about the Yanks than Alex.

  16. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    No one is stopping Alex from playing. HE complained about the quad.
    You know what, I say bring him back and let him play TONIGHT.
    If it goes like the other injuries, he will be injured again by the end of the week anyway.

  17. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    A-Rod’s biggest problem is he continues to insist on going outside the Yankees for doctors, supplements, drugs, etc.
    ————————–

    Well if the Yankees are using phantom injuries to keep him off the roster when he’s healthy then the only way to prove that is by going to outside doctors.

    I agree with Blake – The Yankees are being petty at this point and bringing a lot of this pox upon their own house.

  18. 86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    time to put in a call to Luca Brasi

  19. pat July 24th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    According to Heyman…..”The Yankees are now in the process of finding Gross to have him consult with Ahmad……Yankees people have said A-Rod’s strain is less severe than Derek Jeter’s but were surprised to hear there was an A-Rod doctor saying he didn’t find any strain.”

  20. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    The side games don’t matter at all. Arod can lash out against his perpetrators and play the part of victim for the rest of his life. But in the end, he has to answer to the fans and if he can’t perform, then he will be seen as a disgrace.

    I think it’s hilarious that he thinks he can fake it with words and media wars, damage control and perception management.

    Like Tex.

    The guy who was calling himself old before his return and making excuses knowing that as soon as he resurfaced he’d be exposed to be a shell of his former self without roids. And when the chips were down and he faced the fans he hit .150.

    I guess it boils down to if you think Arod is still a good baseball player.

    My bet is, like Tex, he’s washed up.

    Without roids, he is Melky Cabrera.

  21. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Bob Klapisch ?@BobKlap 4m

    A-Rod’s “doctor” implying there’s no injury? First, this MD has not examined AR. Second, wasn’t AR the one who reported quad prob on Sat?
    ———————–

    I like how he put “doctor” in quotes as if to suggest that the guy is not a real doctor.

  22. mick July 24th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    No one is stopping Alex from playing. HE complained about the quad.
    ==============================
    I’d go with this theory: see above.

    “I would also assume most of what he says are lies.”

  23. kd July 24th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    i didn’t think he’d play a ml game in pinstripes again, but now he’s deliberately contradicted the yankee medical staff. he’s gotta be done. i really can’t see how he comes back after these shenanigans

    cashman must be furious.

  24. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    From the NY Times – “The Yankees’ insurance policy on the contract includes a four-month deductible, and after that, they are reimbursed for 33 percent of the salary in the first year. If Rodriguez is considered permanently disabled, the insurance will cover 75 percent of the remaining money after the four-month period.”

  25. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    BREAKING NEWS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON’T LIKE TO READ

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

  26. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    No one is stopping Alex from playing. HE complained about the quad.
    ———————

    But even with it sore he was able to DH – how many times have we seen players with a little soreness used at DH?

    Given the poor output by the offense you would think that if he’s healthy enough to DH the Yankees would have found a way to get him on the field.

  27. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    “Arod is like the drunk uncle that won’t leave the party and the Yankees are trying to make him.”

    I’m not leaving this party without my $100 million. Give me my money or fix me another glass of whisky.

  28. mick July 24th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”
    ==============
    What is your point?

  29. raymagnetic July 24th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    No one would know about this “injury” is Alex wouldn’t have brought it up.

    At this point Alex and his doctors should shut the fuduck up.

  30. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Mick,

    My point is Arod was the original source of this whole injury. The Yankees took the necessary precautions. Now Arod is taunting the team because he knows NYY and MLB are united against him. Hilarious. This guy is going down in flames BIG TIME. He’s out of his mind to pull this stunt on the radio. He is totally losing it.

  31. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    “Just feels very unfair to me to suspend players for random amounts of time. Where does 65 games for Braun even come from? I thought first time offenders = 50 games? Feels really shady to me”

    he didn’t fail a drug test…..those penalties (50 games) are specifically for the drug testing and positive tests…..so my understanding is that because this is different and not related to that then it’s outside the realm of what’s covered in the CBA…..of course you could ask the question….why isn’t it covered in the CBA?

  32. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    “I’m not leaving this party without my $100 million. Give me my money or fix me another glass of whisky.”

    yea that’s the thing…..the Yankees clearly want Alex gone……Alex clearly wants to play baseball again…..so what do you do?

  33. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    But even with it sore he was able to DH – how many times have we seen players with a little soreness used at DH?
    _____________

    Guys who have leg injuries and havent played in 9 months?
    For a team that continues to bring players back and watch them re-injure themselves?

    You people are the same people that go on and on that the Yankees brought Jeter back too soon. He said he was fine too….

  34. Kelvin July 24th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Point is, A-rod took himself out of that game. NOT THE YANKEES… So why is this Doctor on the air reporting this or insinuating that he is healthy and it has something to do with the Yankees..

    A-rod is like Bad news bears, I can’t deal with this no more lol.

  35. ManningRules July 24th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Spot on.

    Tonight in Texas – at third – ARod.

    Tell him if he is a no-show, he’ll be docked the pay, and the statement will read –

    “In a last resort effort to mend somewhat mottled fences, the Yankees informed Alex that he was welcome to join the team in Texas, and play third base, and bat fourth for his team. Alex was a no-show, and the Yankees have decided to pursue other avenues”.

  36. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”
    ___

    So we should play a guy who has been out all year with leg issues, who says he cant field OR accelerate? So what if he hits a groundball? Does he jog to first? Come on people!

  37. ManningRules July 24th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    yea that’s the thing…..the Yankees clearly want Alex gone……Alex clearly wants to play baseball again…..so what do you do?

    Pay him 60M to leave, or let him settle it all out in court over the next five years.

  38. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Kelvin July 24th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Point is, A-rod took himself out of that game. NOT THE YANKEES… So why is this Doctor on the air reporting this or insinuating that he is healthy and it has something to do with the Yankees..

    A-rod is like Bad news bears, I can’t deal with this no more lol.

    ___________

    Exactly, which is why I agree that the Yankees have grounds for suspension. You can’t report an injury then lash out at your team when they follow protocol and take necessary precautions. Jeter complained of a quad strain as well. He was DL’d. You don’t see Jeter seeking a second opinion on a diagnosis that doesn’t require an MRI in the first place.

  39. Tackelberry July 24th, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Cashman must be furious. Now he has to hop on a plane to Texas and try to explain this whole mess and quiet this latest swarm of controversy arounf the ballclub

  40. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    As blake just wrote, the 50 games for a first failed test don’t apply here, this is a different protocol. They are apparently basing their penalties on evidence of systematic PED use and associated actions, perhaps including steps to thwart/evade the investigation itself.

    The MLBPA has already acquiesced in regard to this point, I think.

  41. Shame Spencer July 24th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    “It is a little sore,” Rodriguez said on Saturday night. “So I decided to DH instead of play third. I felt it a little bit this morning. I didn’t feel it so much on the ground balls (in batting practice), but in the acceleration.”

    —————-

    Guys say stuff like this throughout the year and are considered day to day.. they usually aren’t sent back to Tampa to continue to do nothing for an undisclosed period of time.

    There are way too many blanket statements being made about a more nuanced situation. He said it was sore, still played in the game.

    His statement doesn’t prove anything one way or another and is irrelevant to today’s reports. It sounds like the story from the Arod camp is his quad was sore and now it isn’t and let me play.

  42. pat July 24th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Sounds like Alex was (and still is) at the minor league complex while the doctor was live on the radio.

  43. ManningRules July 24th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “So we should play a guy who has been out all year with leg issues, who says he cant field OR accelerate? So what if he hits a groundball? Does he jog to first? Come on people!”

    Yes. If his doctor says that there is no injury, and he says he can play, then let him play. Who cares if his quad snaps at the hip and folds up like the blinds in your grandma’s livingroom?

    Not me. I hope he rips it right in half and lays there like the punk he is. Then for ten years, that picture hangs in high school locker rooms with the saying
    “Drugs – don’t do them”.

  44. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Except if your time on the DL has expired (which Alex’s has) and you tell the team that you’re now fine and they still keep you shut down – you do have the right to go public and say “I’m fine, they’re not playing me and using a long healed injury as the excuse.”

  45. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    I don’t believe a word that Arod or his people say. He is really a nut.

    Cashman said the other day that a grade 1 strain usually takes about 3 weeks to heal.

    So considering the fact that Arod is only going to miss 7-10 days that means it’s not that serious but he still needs to rest it.

    Arod definitely isn’t helping himself to put a uniform back on, it sounds like he wants the yanks to get rid of him.

  46. NYYROC July 24th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Slightly OT, but when Bonds was going thorugh all his controversy, I was amazed at how, once he stepped into batter’s box, he could block it all out and hit the way he did. Maybe his greatest skill was concentration.

  47. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    I am also sick of hearing

    ARods doctor says…
    ARods lawyer says…
    ARods representatives say……

    I have never seen a pro athlete, NOT involved in a real crime, need this many people.

    You dont hear:

    Jeter’s lawyer says…
    Jeter reps say….
    Jeter’s doctor says…..

    It’s like this man is incapable of shutting up and just being part of a team….

  48. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    “So what if he hits a groundball? Does he jog to first? Come on people!”

    With his shaky hips and questionable quads, maybe Arod should moon walk to first base.

    Unfortunately, the country’s leading authority on moon walking happens to be conveniently</i< dead.

    #conspiracy

  49. john smith July 24th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    yea that’s the thing…..the Yankees clearly want Alex gone……Alex clearly wants to play baseball again…..so what do you do?

    Only 2 choices. Let him play or bite the bullet and buy out his contract.

  50. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    oops

  51. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Guys say stuff like this throughout the year and are considered day to day

    ________

    Guys like Jeter who report soreness in a leg coming off severe injuries are considered day to day when they complain of soreness in the leg?

    Alex is coming off 2 major hip surgeries and finishing up a rehab assignment.

    Day-to-day?

    hahaha.

    ok

  52. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Mike Ferrin ?@MikeFerrinSXM 27m
    So A-Rod got a Dr., who hasn’t examined him, to say an MRI doesn’t show something that may not show up on an MRI? Man, I love this story.

  53. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Guys say stuff like this throughout the year and are considered day to day.. they usually aren’t sent back to Tampa to continue to do nothing for an undisclosed period of time.
    ____

    These are NOT guys who have been injured all year with a history of leg problems…

  54. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    The Yankees are trying to shame/pressure Alex into retiring – that much is pretty obvious.

    A) Good for Alex for not folding (as of yet)
    B) If Hal and the others were grownups instead of children they would have approached Alex like men and said, “Listen, we all know what’s coming in terms of the suspension, we also know that even when healthy your performance has deteriorated to the point where we’re not sure that you’re much more than a DH against LHP. Why don’t we come to an understanding, you retire, we give you a job with a lifetime services clause, you don’t have to worry about the suspension, we’ll backload payments to you the way the Mets did with Bonilla, everyone’s happy”

  55. pat July 24th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Here’s a few dots to connect….

    @TJQuinnESPN 2m
    Sources tell OTL a teammate of Braun’s at Miami, Marcelo Albir, acted as a liaison between Bosch & Braun. Albir hasn’t returned messages Albir was one of the defendants in MLB’s lawsuit v Biogenesis, but he was dismissed from the case in June.

  56. Giuseppe Franco July 24th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    ManningRules July 24th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    “In a last resort effort to mend somewhat mottled fences, the Yankees informed Alex that he was welcome to join the team in Texas, and play third base, and bat fourth for his team. Alex was a no-show, and the Yankees have decided to pursue other avenues”.

    —–

    I don’t see how that helps anyone. They signed him to that contract and he’s not going anywhere until they pay him what he’s owed. No other team is going to take him.

    A-Rod has certainly had his share of screw ups but the Yanks’ front office has had plenty of their own.

  57. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    the problem with there being no clear protocol for something like this is that MLB can do pretty much whatever they want “in the best interest of baseball” …..now they have to make it stand up before an arbitator if there is an appeal but initially I guess MLB could ban him for life and order him to write his name on the board a million times if they wanted…….

  58. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    john smith July 24th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    yea that’s the thing…..the Yankees clearly want Alex gone……Alex clearly wants to play baseball again…..so what do you do?

    Only 2 choices. Let him play or bite the bullet and buy out his contract.
    —————

    And if the Yankees were smart they would have approached Alex like adults about some buyout like Bonilla’s over the winter – but now, after publicly smacking him down this often, he has no reason to work with the team.

  59. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    “Only 2 choices. Let him play or bite the bullet and buy out his contract.”

    Or stall out if there’s a massive penalty from MLB on its way.

    Is there some financial/insurance incentive to not let him play even a few games? Do they get a bigger payout if he never plays for the big club at all?

  60. Jesus Bustero July 24th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Mike Ferrin ?@MikeFerrinSXM 27m
    So A-Rod got a Dr., who hasn’t examined him, to say an MRI doesn’t show something that may not show up on an MRI? Man, I love this story.

    _________

    The signature of a desperate man in a desperate situation, fully out of control.

  61. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Arod knows that he isn’t 100% healthy.

    I think he wants to play now hurt since he knows that he will most likely miss most of next year with the suspension.

    The game of baseball that he loves so much is going to be taken away from him very soon.

  62. BD (Boston Dave) July 24th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Is there a definitive ruling on luxury tax implications if Alex is suspended (regardless of how long) ?

    Everything i had read said that if Alex were suspended for say, 2014, he would not count towards the $189 threshold.

    I believe Jerkface was skeptical of this.

    If he is suspended next year that could have massive implications.

    Remember – Yanks really only need to get under $189M to “reset the clock.”

  63. BD (Boston Dave) July 24th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    get under $189 one time, it should read

  64. 86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    It’s not like he was playing well before the “injury”. He wasn’t ready to play… he was something like 8-40 in the minors, wasn’t he?

    Cashman doesn’t have to fly to Texas…. he can text “once again, Alex should just STFU ” from anywhere.

    And if does down there since when is a First Class set from NYC to Dallas a major hardship?

  65. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    B) If Hal and the others were grownups instead of children they would have approached Alex like men and said, “Listen, we all know what’s coming in terms of the suspension, we also know that even when healthy your performance has deteriorated to the point where we’re not sure that you’re much more than a DH against LHP. Why don’t we come to an understanding, you retire, we give you a job with a lifetime services clause, you don’t have to worry about the suspension, we’ll backload payments to you the way the Mets did with Bonilla, everyone’s happy”
    ____

    Really?
    1. You dont know what conversations they had.
    2. I am laughing about this insistence that Alex would accept retirement just because we all want him to.
    3. Alex has earner ZERO benefit of the doubt.

  66. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    “…if the Yankees were smart they would have approached Alex like adults about some buyout like Bonilla’s over the winter…”

    They can’t buy their way out of the luxury tax hit. But if Arod receives a massive suspension from MLB, they don’t have to pay him that money and might even get luxury tax relief.

    After his suspension is over (assuming it’s not a lifetime ban), then they can talk buyout if they don’t want to see his face anymore.

  67. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Arod should speed away from the Tampa complex in a white bronco just for effect

  68. 86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    If he is suspended his pay does not count.

    AAV of his contract is $ 27.5 M. His 2014 salary is $ 25 M.

    If he were suspended for the entire year he would count as a $ 2.5 M cap charge.

  69. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Yay!! The manager’s pet Nixy…..
    ————-

    @AnthonyMcCarron

    Granderson says he and Nix will play for the Class A Tampa Yankees tomorrow night.

  70. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Captain, should be YAY Granderson!
    We need anyone who can provide power to this dead ball lineup.

  71. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    “If he is suspended his pay does not count.”

    they don’t have to pay him his salary but I’m not sure how it actually affects the AAV for the year he’s suspended in……is that specifically spelled out in the CBA?

  72. BIG AL July 24th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    At this point in time, if I were the Yankees FO, I’d offer A-Rod 50% of his remaining salary to announce his retirement, and hope he’d take it.

  73. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    At this point in time, if I were the Yankees FO, I’d offer A-Rod 50% of his remaining salary to announce his retirement, and hope he’d take it.
    ___

    Again, why would Alex agree to that?

  74. DAM23 July 24th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Best case scenario for Yankee fans: MLB gives A-Rod lifetime ban. Entire Yankee front office/ownership indicted on attempted insurance fraud. :)

  75. pat July 24th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Is there some financial/insurance incentive to not let him play even a few games?

    It appears Chip just showed us a financial incentive if they keep him out until August 1….

    Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    From the NY Times – “The Yankees’ insurance policy on the contract includes a four-month deductible, and after that, they are reimbursed for 33 percent of the salary in the first year. If Rodriguez is considered permanently disabled, the insurance will cover 75 percent of the remaining money after the four-month period.”

  76. BIG AL July 24th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    blake -

    From what I’ve read, if A-Rod is suspended, the Yankees do not pay him while he’s suspended, but, his salary still counts towards the budget.

  77. Giuseppe Franco July 24th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    BIG AL July 24th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    At this point in time, if I were the Yankees FO, I’d offer A-Rod 50% of his remaining salary to announce his retirement, and hope he’d take it.

    ——

    Well, if I’m A-Rod, I’m not accepting a $50M buyout if they owe me $100M.

    And I don’t think that would ever fly with the Players’ Union. Guaranteed money is guaranteed money.

  78. UpState July 24th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    News Flash !

    The baby will be named……. George Alexander Louis.

    The baby will be known as……. His Royal Highness Prince George of Cambridge.

    The baby will be called …. “Jelly”.

    The name Alexander is in honor of … NYY Baseball player Alex Rodriguez.

  79. Kelvin July 24th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    I have a good feeling about Grandy returning, I’m positive we can still make a run for it this year. That is, if we also have a decent trade deadline this year.

  80. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    It sounds like Granderson is about 2 weeks away from returning. But knowing how the Yanks do things I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him at the beginning of next week.

  81. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Soreness is pretty much expected and typical rehabbing from any injury, especially a hip injury. It doesn’t necessarily mean there is an additional injury..having him shut down for a few extra days was probably a good thing, but if he feels ready to play then trot him out there and see what he can do.
    If not send him to Taiwan so everyone can fall in love with him again and drool for his return.

  82. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    if Hal was smart he’d call a press conference and announce that project 189 was over…..that the organization was tired of being held hostage by Alex’s contract…..that they were going let the investigation with MLB move forward but that they were going to operate like the Yankees in spite of the money he’s owed. Then go prove it……it’d go a long way with the fan base.

  83. DAM23 July 24th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    There you go. Alex could take buyout and go play in Japan.

  84. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    It sounds like Granderson is about 2 weeks away from returning. But knowing how the Yanks do things I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him at the beginning of next week.
    ___

    Only fear is Grandy will be very gunshy about inside pitches now.

  85. blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    “From what I’ve read, if A-Rod is suspended, the Yankees do not pay him while he’s suspended, but, his salary still counts towards the budget.”

    if that’s true it doesn’t help all that much…..I just dont know

  86. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    if Hal was smart he’d call a press conference and announce that project 189 was over…..that the organization was tired of being held hostage by Alex’s contract…..that they were going let the investigation with MLB move forward but that they were going to operate like the Yankees in spite of the money he’s owed. Then go prove it……it’d go a long way with the fan base.
    ____

    Was a big mistake to ever announce the 189 plan to begin with.
    Could have just stopped signing big contracts without drawing major attention to it.

  87. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Soreness is pretty much expected and typical rehabbing from any injury, especially a hip injury. It doesn’t necessarily mean there is an additional injury..having him shut down for a few extra days was probably a good thing, but if he feels ready to play then trot him out there and see what he can do.
    ___

    The guy said he couldnt accelerate. A big part of baseball is running.
    What good is he if he can’t run or play the field?

  88. Giuseppe Franco July 24th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    I know the Yanks would be thrilled with the payroll relief that a suspended A-Rod would give them but when you consider the predictably stupid contracts they’ve handed out to Wells, Ichiro, and Youkilis the past 6 months, I’m not exactly confident they’d spend it wisely.

  89. BIG AL July 24th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Chip July 24th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    From the NY Times – “The Yankees’ insurance policy on the contract includes a four-month deductible, and after that, they are reimbursed for 33 percent of the salary in the first year. If Rodriguez is considered permanently disabled, the insurance will cover 75 percent of the remaining money after the four-month period.”
    *******************************************
    Selig and MLB keep talking about the integrity of the game, how about what appears to be insurance fraud being used by the Yankees to save money.

    The insurance company should be damanding one of their doctors view the A-Rod MRI, and perform a full medical to evaluate whether or not he’s in condition to play. If the insurance company agrees with Alex, they can then inform the Yankees they’ll deny any claim submitted. Let the fun begin!

  90. 86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    It’s the insurance collections that have zero effect on the luxury tax calculation.

    If he is suspended and does not get paid they won’t be charged for his SALARY. They WILL be charged the $ 2.5 M difference between the AAV, which is $ 27.5 M and the 2014 salary of $ 25 M.

    That’s the way I understand it from multiple learned observers.

    I have no idea how MLB would view a massive buyout, should that become an issue. I doubt it would even be discussed until after resolution of his Bio-Genesis case with MLB.

  91. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    pat, but that seems to be if he’s declared permanently disabled. We’ve already seen it theorized that Arod would welcome such a declaration because it would basically be a retirement with full pay.

    Except after talking about quad soreness a few days ago, now he’s got a doctor going on the radio saying he’s fine. It doesn’t look like he’s going for permanent disability, unless he’s itching to get into a game to then show that he can’t function or something.

    How about this for a theory: Arod was a mess after his meeting with MLB and wanted to stall out himself while he huddled with advisers. Now he thinks a big suspension is inevitable so he wants to get back into real games as quickly as possible during the appeal process so he can try to hit the 13 homers he needs to get to 660 and hit his next $6 million incentive?

  92. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Cecil Fielder certainly tore it up on the basepaths.

  93. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Cecil Fielder certainly tore it up on the basepaths.
    _____

    What does this have to do with anything?
    He wasn’t coming off two leg surgeries was he?

  94. DAM23 July 24th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    How long will MLB let this drag on? Be nice if the focus could return to the great pennant races which are shaping up.

  95. 86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    BIG AL —

    The insurance carrier is not going to do anything until/unless a claim is filed. It has no standing until then.

    In all of these policies the standard of proof needed to document disability is clearly spelled out as is the process of resolving a dispute over that documentation.

  96. DAM23 July 24th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Interesting theory Nick. 13 home runs might take a while though.

  97. G. Love July 24th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Nick,

    I think most of us would happily take those 13 HR’s right about now if he were capable.

  98. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    It’s an analogy…because not every player is fast…even with two leg surgeries he’s probably in the same league, and the first one isn’t really an issue at this point, and with time he would get better than what some players provide..it doesn’t hurt to put him out there and see what he could provide, what the Yankees have been running out there has been a whole lot of nothing.

  99. Don July 24th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Even if A-Rod were to come back this week it is doubtful whether he could perform at a decent level. I think he is finished.

  100. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    It’s an analogy…because not every player is fast…even with two leg surgeries he’s probably in the same league, and the first one isn’t really an issue at this point, and with time he would get better than what some players provide..it doesn’t hurt to put him out there and see what he could provide, what the Yankees have been running out there has been a whole lot of nothing.
    _____

    This was the same argument made for bringing Jeter back.
    And he lasted 1 day.

  101. Yankee Trader July 24th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    From Joel Sherman-again I want to add if his sources are accurate:

    a) They only get a substantial insurance payback if he is unable to ever play again due to the hip injuries. Thus, it doesn’t matter if he comes back or not, as long as it leads to permanent absence at some point;

    b) They are competitive folks who think A-Rod could actually help the 2013 team;

    c) They believe what the rest of the sport believes — Rodriguez will soon be suspended for 100-plus games.

    If the suspension holds after appeal and is served mostly and/or all of next year, this would be best for the organization because it means not paying him during the suspension and not having that part of the salary count toward the luxury tax payroll. That would help make it easier to meet the mandate to get under the $189 million threshold in 2014 and earn additional, substantial financial benefits.

    A suspension is expected in two to three weeks. It felt as if union head Michael Weiner were speaking about Rodriguez when he told me recently if the evidence is overwhelming, the union will encourage the guilty to make the best deal possible for themselves rather than appeal. And word is the evidence — perhaps texts, e-mails, mailing labels, etc. — is voluminous.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....xvC7orfApL

  102. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yanks are working with MLB behind the scenes on Arod’s suspension.

    They would obviously love to get rid of him as much as Selig wants him to be punished also.

    So Arod can’t run and he said his defense is far behind his hitting. His lateral movement is bad…yes bring him back.

  103. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    will be happy to see granderson back in the lineup soon.
    Even Nix on the bench would be better than what we are running out.

  104. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    I don’t think he’s going to try to push it to leg out an infield hit.

  105. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    I would take those 13 homers too or even the smaller number if he comes up short. He was able to hit a couple for SWB right before his meeting with MLB and it seemed like he was moving with much more fluidity by then too, especially in comparison with the stiff lumbering we saw when the 20-day period began.

  106. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    “How long will MLB let this drag on?”

    Good question.

    Maybe they have already made their position clear to A-Rod and are just giving him some time to think it over before a formal announcement is made.

    It also possible that A-Rod’s lawyers requested the time.

    It is in no one’s best interest to be hasty IMO.

    I expect an announcement will be forthcoming fairly soon.

    Until then we wait.

  107. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    I don’t think he’s going to try to push it to leg out an infield hit.
    ____

    Exactly.
    We can’t count on him to give full effort.
    He will essentially be homer or bust, and clog the bases when he is on.
    Since we hit almost no homers, we dont need a base to base player.

  108. 86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Nick in SF —-

    I like the theory. Might be the same reason the Yanks medical people saw a quad muscle strain on the MRI but Alex’s doctor couldn’t. Hmmmm??

    All I know is I’ve seen at least a dozen of his re-hab AB and he looks awful. And that includes both HR. Slow bat and very heavy legged.

  109. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Just like Cano doesn’t push it to leg out infield hits…rather not have him on the team too? As we don’t hit many homers, would you rather take the opportunity to see if you could have someone who might provide some?

  110. MG July 24th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    blake July 24th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
    “I’m not leaving this party without my $100 million. Give me my money or fix me another glass of whisky.”

    yea that’s the thing…..the Yankees clearly want Alex gone……Alex clearly wants to play baseball again…..so what do you do?
    ——————-
    Put him in the lineup, at 3rd, tonight and again tomorrow afternoon.

    Then put him in the lineup at 3rd on Friday night, Saturday and Sunday.

    Let him hear the boos crescendo down on him in both Texas and New York.

    Play him until he’s either crushing it, hurts himself again, or gets suspended.

    They have nothing to lose since the guys now playing 3rd suck anyway.

  111. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    This is the beginning of the end for Arod. Even if he comes back this year he will get hurt right away and go back on the DL. Then he will be suspended for 100 something games. Either there will be a buy out of his contract or he will medically retire.

  112. pat July 24th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Nick

    Not sure the 4 month period is for permanent disability. I thought it was saying if he is medically unable to play for 4 months, they get 33% payout of his salary. Conspiracy theory…..Keeping him out another week for a ~ $9M payout or letting him play this week and get nothing?

  113. GregD July 24th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    all this could be resolved if they just raised the $189 Million threshold to $500 Million…….. :)

  114. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    MLB is probably putting the final touches on their case against him right now.

    I am sure we will hear something in the next week or 2.

  115. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I don’t see how the Yankees could claim that Alex’s hip injury ended his career:

    1. He played 20 rehab games
    2. He was slated to come off the disabled list
    3. The reason he didn’t come off had nothing to do with a hip, it was a quad strain.

  116. charlestonchew July 24th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    I’m with Alex on this one. I understand why everyone is angry with him and see this as a stunt, why their patience has run thin, and why they’re rather never see ARod hit a baseball again.

    But we MUST remember that Alex was a player of a generation FULL of steroid users and he was likely not the worst perpetrator. He just happened to be the best. This is a kid who was taken out of high school by nobody other than Scott frickin Boras and thrown right into ML play. The guy never had a chance to grow up, surrounded by greedy, drug-abusing ML players. He plays the victim sometimes because, in a lot of ways, he has unfairly been slaughtered by the media and by his fellow players for something that was commonplace (and still IS commonplace) in MLB.

    He’s trying to come back and play the game (literally the only thing he knows how to do) and the team that thought it wise to pay him 275million+ is shunning him. It has to be a lonely feeling. I’m not defending steroid use, of course, just pointing out that there’s a context to every life. We can’t be so self-righteous when we talk about Alex and then not jump down the throats of other players who did the same. We don’t bash Willie Mays and Hank Aaron for using amphetamines their whole careers (you think Ripken had any amphetamines in his system? I bet he did). PEDs are a part of athletic competition, just like pollution & low-wage slavery is a part of capitalism. There are undesirable things about baseball, but they are often what separates good and great.

    I’m sure many disagree with this perspective, hell… I’m not even sure I 100% agree. This is a really complex thing. But I believe Alex has had his handful of spite and punishment for his past already, moreso than any other player. He has become the face of PEDs, not Bonds or Sosa or McGwire. Does he really deserve that? An 18 yr old kid coming into the game in the midst of all these juicers? We all have agency and we can’t be excused for everything we do, but doesn’t that fact make it just a little bit different than some of the other folks who are juicing?

    I like Alex and want him to play for this team again. And I’m really unhappy that the Yankees are trying to make that impossible This team needs him–and I don’t think he’s the villain everyone else does.

  117. astrocityfan July 24th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Yankeesource tweeted three hours ago that adams was back up. Anyone else seen that? he also tweeted that Heathcott is tearing the cover of the ball right now and randy ruiz hit another homer. Unless ruiz is due to be suspended, i just cant imagine why he hasnt been given a look at least as a rh dh. He could platoon with overbay. I mean this team is starved for power. What does the guy have to do??

  118. Yankee Trader July 24th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “So does Rodriguez fight relentlessly, trying to dirty up the process and the people in charge with counter-accusations, and/or by dragging more players down with him? Or does he forge the best deal to try to play at a future date or have involvement in the game post-career and avoid the Pete Rose death penalty?”

    MTU

    MLB could be waiting to hear how teammates and former teammates, Cervelli, Montero, Cabrera act to give them more info to protect their respective careers, on how they became associated with Biogenesis.

  119. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Just like Cano doesn’t push it to leg out infield hits…rather not have him on the team too? As we don’t hit many homers, would you rather take the opportunity to see if you could have someone who might provide some?
    ___

    Are you really comparing Cano and Alex?
    The guy who consistently hits .300? Hits homers? Plays flawless field?
    Plays everyday?
    Rarely causes drama?

    Dogging it isnt the same as being unable to do it.

    Unreal you compared those players.

  120. astrocityfan July 24th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    bryan hoch posted earlier today, cruz to dl adams back up. sorry if i missed it earlier

  121. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    I noticed Adams was back, but I don’t think Ruiz is much of an answer, they’re probably banking on Soriano for that.

  122. MG July 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    if they had MRI systems back when The Mick played he probably never would have gotten in the field in the ’60s.

    Call Arod’s bluff, play him now and every day going forward until he says he can’t play.

    What do the Yankees have to lose from this? If he breaks down, they have an insurance claim that is backed by his injuries.

    If he doesn’t get hurt but can’t hit major league pitching, they have a claim that his injuries have diminished his ability to play baseball at a major league level.

    And, if he gets booed out of the park but still manages to play well, it’s a win for the team.

    I just see no downside in the ‘play today, play every day, Arod’ scenario.

  123. pat July 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Granderson said he saw A-Rod, who stopped and talked with him and Jayson Nix for a few minutes. A-Rod was in good spirits, Granderson said, and wanted to take batting practice with them. He didn’t say anything about his quad.

    Granderson said A-Rod was “like a little kid at recess when we asked him if he wanted to come hit with us, but [Yankees officials] stopped him and said he had to do some other things.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....hit-vetoed

  124. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Once public positions are taken by both sides it makes it harder to back away should they wish to do so.

    I would expect both sides are being cautious for that reason.

    They are probably both feeling each other out right now.

    Like I said before, no need to be hasty because if this isn’t handled right it could get ugly.

    And that’s for both sides.

    Before you engage in all out war make sure there is no other way out first.

    Make sense ?

  125. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    no I compared how they run infield hits…you compared the rest.

  126. balotin July 24th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    It’s time to force a resolution one way or the other. Arod should say he is ready and force the Yankees hand to bring him up and play him. Then Selig can do whatever he was planning. Arod with his team of lawyers will drag this out anyway into next year. Im just sick of reading about it now every day

  127. 86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Chip —-

    It comes down to the wording of the policy. Certainly it’s not simply “can he walk” ??

    And it’s probably not ” can he be the best player in baseball” ??

    The standard that is set is probably somewhere in between. That standard would also detail the level of documentation needed to support the claim and the method the insurance carrier has to challenge and claim and what entity would evaluate that challenge.

    There’s not going to be a lot of guesswork…. except for those of us who don’t have access to a copy of the policy.

  128. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    YT-

    Could be a lot of things.

    We’re just going to have to try to be patient.

  129. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Just to point some things out:

    1. Since May 23 the Yankees have two home runs from RH (Jayson Nix and Tex)
    2. Their last HR from a RH batter was over 350 at bats ago (Nix)
    3. The Yankees have a total of 24 home runs from RH hitters 6 from LHP and 3 of those off of Mark Buehrle.

    Even with a strained quad – Alex could help this team.

  130. DAM23 July 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Granderson said A-Rod was “like a little kid at recess when we asked him if he wanted to come hit with us, but [Yankees officials] stopped him and said he had to do some other things.”"

    Alex is in detention.

  131. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    I also don’t consider Cano to be dogging it…I think he recognizes his speed isn’t going to get it done, and rather than trying to push himself and get hurt he recognizes his worth to the team as being on the field…I wouldn’t insult him as a player to be consider him, “dogging,” it.

  132. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Call Arod’s bluff, play him now and every day going forward until he says he can’t play.”

    Works for me, if it is indeed a bluff.

    It’s kind of odd that the well-sourced Ken Davidoff said this morning that Yankees would like A-Rod to play this season.

  133. MG July 24th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    Just to point some things out:

    1. Since May 23 the Yankees have two home runs from RH (Jayson Nix and Tex)
    2. Their last HR from a RH batter was over 350 at bats ago (Nix)
    3. The Yankees have a total of 24 home runs from RH hitters 6 from LHP and 3 of those off of Mark Buehrle.

    Even with a strained quad – Alex could help this team.
    —————
    play ‘em tonight, tomorrow afternoon and every day after that.

    Can you imagine the booing he would get in Texas?

    If it was Reggie Jackson he would jack 3 out of the park in that scenario

  134. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    With a few outlier exceptions, I think most of us here would be happy to have Arod come back even for a couple weeks if it would help the team win games.

    One would think and hope that the Yankees would also look at it coldly and rationally and just want the asset in question — and you can’t spell asset without ass, hello! — to yield some positive results if possible. So what would the logical reasons be for not wanting to bring Arod back to the big team if his quad is actually okay?

    1) Financial. There could be some financial ramification to having him back on the roster, as pat has convered above.

    2) Performance. They watched every single AB during his rehab, and maybe they don’t think he can help the team and/or the quad issue was real and they don’t want him back for just a game or two and then have to go back on the DL a la Jeter.

    3) Personal. This isn’t exactly logical as stipulated above, but it could still be real. Perhaps they just thoroughly hate his guts now so much that they just don’t want him back on the team, period, especially if they think/know it’s only going to be for a very brief period.

    I don’t know if any of this is really a factor in what’s going on, but in general you can’t go too far off course if you follow the money trail.

  135. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    86w183 July 24th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Chip —-

    It comes down to the wording of the policy. Certainly it’s not simply “can he walk” ??
    ——————

    If Alex is willing to have his doctors testify that his hips are fine for baseball then that’s it – party’s over for the Yankees and this insurance scam.

  136. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    YT-

    I am going for a Thallium stress test Friday.

    Will I glow in the dark afterwards ?

    :)

  137. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Reggie would hold out a mirror and blow kisses to himself while doing it too.

  138. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Just your pee will MTU :)

  139. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    “If it was Reggie Jackson he would jack 3 out of the park in that scenario”

    After not having played for a year at 38? Doubtful

  140. UpState July 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Randy Ruiz :

    35 YO … R/R

    AAA

    130 AB’s……11-22…. .275

    ===================================

    Alot of DHing…but 11 games at 1B

  141. astrocityfan July 24th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    they need more than soriano and ruiz has been hitting for over a month now. he has 11 home runs in 139 abs and hitting 278.

  142. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Rich –

    Luis Cruz on the DL – David Adams called up.

  143. MG July 24th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    “Call Arod’s bluff, play him now and every day going forward until he says he can’t play.”

    Works for me, if it is indeed a bluff.

    It’s kind of odd that the well-sourced Ken Davidoff said this morning that Yankees would like A-Rod to play this season.
    ————–
    Whether it was a bluff or not, just make believe it’s the old days and if you can walk you can play.

    If Arod only has the rest of the season to play baseball before a very long suspension it would likely be OK for him as well.

  144. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Howler-

    Do I need a UV light ?

    :)

  145. charlestonchew July 24th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    The Yanks have been incredibly stubborn re: players like Ruiz and Mustelier. Shelley Duncan provided a spark at one point–and you can’t tell me he’s much better than either of those guys.

  146. Yankee Trader July 24th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Short of a total hip replacement, a quad injury, hamstring pull, even an achilles tendon rupture, won’t get him a permanent disability from playing major league baseball. Maybe that’s why ARod mentioned Bo Jackson who unsucessfully attempted a baseball comeback after having a total hip replacement for avascular necrosis.

  147. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Just think you’ll always be able to find your way back down the trail at night now :)

  148. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Call Arod’s bluff, play him now and every day going forward until he says he can’t play.”

    Works for me, if it is indeed a bluff.

    It’s kind of odd that the well-sourced Ken Davidoff said this morning that Yankees would like A-Rod to play this season.
    ——————

    From a financial standpoint if they can hold him back until 8/1 they save a ton of money. Also if he plays this year and is suspended next year then it helps them with the $189 goal. So I’m sure they would be happy to have Alex play from August on, help them get into the playoffs and then go away.

  149. MG July 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    “If it was Reggie Jackson he would jack 3 out of the park in that scenario”

    After not having played for a year at 38? Doubtful
    ——————-
    I was actually thinking about the booing scenario, not the injury side.

    He and Frank Robinson were well known for getting up after being dusted at the plate and hitting the next one out of the park. Both of them took out their anger on the baseball.

  150. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Chip

    It shouldn’t have taken a DL stint for a terrible veteran hitter, and he may only have until Nix, or preferably A-Rod, return, but it is in their longer term interests, so YAY!

  151. igotid88 July 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Just because Alex said he felt sore and chose to play dh doesn’t mean there’s a strain. He was probably being cautious and not try to get hurt.

  152. G. Love July 24th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Nick,

    My feeling is we’re paying Arod, he might as well play until this suspension stuff becomes a reality.

    That’s dead payroll that could perhaps help win some games if he can hit.

    That said, it’s all coming to a head and something is going to happen shortly.

    I think he may get suspended by the team for today’s stunt with Francesa.

  153. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    “He and Frank Robinson were well known for getting up after being dusted at the plate and hitting the next one out of the park. Both of them took out their anger on the baseball.”

    I am a little too young to remember much about Frank Robinson other than seeing his baseball card (and being told it was valuable), but I can recall older kids telling me that he was as tough as they come.

  154. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Good point Howler.

    Who needs a GPS when I’ll have a GITDUS to guide me.

    :)

  155. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Chip

    It shouldn’t have taken a DL stint for a terrible veteran hitter, and he may only have until Nix, or preferably A-Rod, return, but it is in their longer term interests, so YAY!
    ————–

    Hey, if he performs, he’ll play.

  156. Wave Your Hat July 24th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Alex is not going away. I just don’t get all this. MLB can’t impose a lifetime ban – if they did ARod could go into a friendly court, get an injunction and litigate it until he retires in 4 years, couldn’t he?

  157. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Howler-

    I do see some downside on further thought.

    Anything I piss on will become a mutant.

    :(

  158. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    You’ll just have to be careful of scorpions and rattlers

  159. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 24th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Alex is not going away. I just don’t get all this. MLB can’t impose a lifetime ban – if they did ARod could go into a friendly court, get an injunction and litigate it until he retires in 4 years, couldn’t he?
    ———————

    Nope.

    The League and PA have a contract in place that provides players due process. If the League can show that Alex was afforded due process by being presented the facts against him and given an opportunity to appeal. And they can show that the punishment inflicted is not in conflict with the CBA then a judge will look at Alex and say, “have a nice day.”

    Unless that judge wants to take the step of declaring the CBA as being a null and void document – which I believe would cause both the Union and the League to flip their collective poops.

  160. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Francesa just said that Arod told the Yanks that he is fine and wants to be in the lineup Friday night at YS.

    Yeah I am sure that’s going to happen lol

  161. MG July 24th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    “He and Frank Robinson were well known for getting up after being dusted at the plate and hitting the next one out of the park. Both of them took out their anger on the baseball.”

    I am a little too young to remember much about Frank Robinson other than seeing his baseball card (and being told it was valuable), but I can recall older kids telling me that he was as tough as they come.
    ————-
    great hitter, crowded the plate, got hit with pitches often, tough as nails.

    probably just below Mays and Mantle in ability and the principal of the worst trade in baseball history-the Red traded him to the O’s for Milt Pappas because they thought he was ‘over the hill’ at age 30.

    That trade was worse than the Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock trade because Broglio had been an All Star while Brock was still early in his career.

  162. Yankee Trader July 24th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    MTU

    No I don’t think the radiation doses will make you glow in the dark.

    Good luck.

  163. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    “My feeling is we’re paying Arod, he might as well play until this suspension stuff becomes a reality.”

    I agree, so maybe we’ll find out in the next few days if that’s what the Yankees think too or if there’s other stuff going on.

  164. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Howler-

    I think I’ll piss on a small pine tree so it turns into a Sequoia.

    We need more of those.

    :)

  165. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    YT-

    Thanks. It’s a 5 hour procedure. I’d better bring a book along.

    :(

  166. Wave Your Hat July 24th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Chip-

    Couldn’t ARod, if pushed to it, go into court, claim the CBA does not give MLB the authority to hand him a lifetime ban and that therefore MLB is acting outside the scope of its authority, therefore the appeal process provided for in the CBS is inapplicable, cite irreparable harm and ask for an injunction prohibiting MLB for inforcing the ban?

    That doesn’t seem like an outlandish scenario to me.

  167. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Thanks, MG

  168. Wave Your Hat July 24th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    …from enforcing…

  169. RadioKev July 24th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Anyone call Cashman yet?

  170. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Good luck…time for me to do my 4 mile walk to give my baby 10 month old hip replacement some exercise too…

  171. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    @AnthonyMcCarron

    Alex: “I feel great. That’s all I’ve got to say.” and then he left

  172. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Arod can ask for whatever he wants, but that doesn’t mean a court is going to give it to him.

    And even if he finds a sympathetic judge, that ruling would be appealed before the ink is dry and I don’t think Arod would be receiving his salary while the whole thing was being litigated.

  173. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Anyone call Cashman yet?
    ———–

    I am waiting for him to tell Arod to shut up again lol

  174. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Howler-

    I want to make the trip from Vancouver up to Wells-Gray on to Yoho and end in Jasper someday.

    Bo Knows tells me it will pop my eyes out and as I am photographer that sounds good.

    Have a good walk. You can safely pee on anything you like.

    :)

  175. eb03 July 24th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Just get Alex back here. he’s a great guy and a role model for all the young folk.

  176. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    @RealMichaelKay

    You’re not going to hear ARod on my radio show anytime soon. He’s looking for blind support and he won’t get it here. Not seeing it his way.

  177. Howler July 24th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    That’s pretty much exactly the trip I’m doing in Sept…Van, to Wells Gray for a few days and then on to Jasper for 2 1/2 more weeks…it’s my first big trip since I had the hip put in…it’s why I’m pushing these walks…I really want to get some grizzly and wolf shots…last walk around my neighborhood I saw a vulture, two eagles, two hawks and a deer :)

  178. RadioKev July 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    If Alex played basketball he could just demand a trade. Isn’t that how it works?

  179. blake July 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay 5m
    You’re not going to hear ARod on my radio show anytime soon. He’s looking for blind support and he won’t get it here. Not seeing it his way.

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay 5m
    Always one of his big supporters against all the naysayers, but now….well, I’ve got to be able to look in the mirror

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay 4m
    If he wants to face a tough, but fair, grilling he’s always welcome to come on.

  180. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 24th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Chip-

    Couldn’t ARod, if pushed to it, go into court, claim the CBA does not give MLB the authority to hand him a lifetime ban and that therefore MLB is acting outside the scope of its authority, therefore the appeal process provided for in the CBS is inapplicable, cite irreparable harm and ask for an injunction prohibiting MLB for inforcing the ban?

    That doesn’t seem like an outlandish scenario to me.
    ————

    We do know that players can be banned for life under the JDA for three violations of the Agreement. If the league can show three violations and we know that the MLBPA has said that the players involved in this case are not subject to those suspension limits (which to me suggests that MLB has a lot of latitude in handing down punishments).

    The short answer to your question is that sure he can ask for an injunction, but without being able to prove that what MLB has done is outside the scope of its ability that’s a problem. Plus you factor in the stance that the Union has been taking lately, if the Union lawyers back up the League’s lawyers and say “yup, this is what we agreed to” then Alex is up a certain body of water filled with feces sans a means of propulsion.

  181. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    How the heck would Michael Kay know what the evidence is or isn’t ?

    His voice could wake the dead anyway.

  182. eb03 July 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Thank goodness Alex doesn’t racially abuse and bite folks like the Cryin Uruguayan. Those 2 acts are worse than a little juicing.

  183. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Moral preening from Michael Kay? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

  184. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Besides all of this, is anyone else sick of seeing, “arod reps say…..”.

    The fact he needs reps to speak for him is a problem in of itself.

  185. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    @BobKlap

    One other complication: A-Rod did not ask #Yankees for permission for 2nd opinion, which is required by Basic Agreement.

  186. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    Howler-

    Here’s some of my photographic work :

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109721757058432487394/albums/5875575719536916705?authkey=CIWEr5Hsk9q2qgE

    Take a look.

    :)

  187. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    “And even if he finds a sympathetic judge, that ruling would be appealed before the ink is dry and I don’t think Arod would be receiving his salary while the whole thing was being litigated.”

    I don’t think so either, but it’s not like he is living paycheck to paycheck, so that part isn’t that important.

    I would suspect that if A-Rod receives a lifetime ban, barring just mindblowing, irrefutable, unbelievably credible evidence, it won’t stand.

  188. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    I say at this point put him back in the lineup.
    He just better understand the public is not on his side and if he struggles, it will be worse than before for him.

  189. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    It’s obvious that the Yanks will look into anything to try and void Arod’s contract.

    But it won’t happen.

  190. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Captain, are you surprised alex didnt follow the basic agreement?
    This is a man who constantly cheats then whines about not getting a fair process.

  191. pat July 24th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    AndrewMarchand: Yanks looking into if A-Rod violated the CBA by seeking a second opinion without consulting them http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....ng-slugger

  192. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    “This is a man who constantly cheats then whines about not getting a fair process.”

    How do we know he constantly cheats? We only know he cheated because of a selective leak of document sealed under court order?

    He may well be the worst person ever, but the facts aren’t there yet.

  193. RadioKev July 24th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
    I say at this point put him back in the lineup.
    He just better understand the public is not on his side and if he struggles, it will be worse than before for him.
    ———-

    This guy is burning down all the bridges now. With his team and with the MLB. Good luck, he’ll need the fans on his side if he wants to keep playing baseball.

  194. kd July 24th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    ARod’s actions seem to be that of a desperate man. I hope he’s not surrounding himself with ‘yes men’

  195. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “AndrewMarchand: Yanks looking into if A-Rod violated the CBA by seeking a second opinion without consulting them http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml…..ng-slugger …”

    That wouldn’t seem like a gray area, they have to already know. But even if it somehow did, it’s a minor breach.

    It’s a PR game of chicken.

  196. Kelvin July 24th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    There’s so much A-rod s-h-i-t out there, I don’t know what to believe anymore. I really don’t want him on the team anymore, such a distraction.

  197. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    With each new tweet it’s seeming like the “just play Arod now until the suspension, maybe he can help the team” viewpoint it looking more and more naive. :sad:

  198. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    blake July 24th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay 5m
    You’re not going to hear ARod on my radio show anytime soon. He’s looking for blind support and he won’t get it here. Not seeing it his way.

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay 5m
    Always one of his big supporters against all the naysayers, but now….well, I’ve got to be able to look in the mirror

    Michael Kay ?@RealMichaelKay 4m
    If he wants to face a tough, but fair, grilling he’s always welcome to come on.
    ———————-

    I would be more impressed if he didn’t roll over on YES Broadcasts.

  199. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    I dont blame cashman for trying to find any way out of the contract.
    Its crazy one man can cause so much drama.

  200. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    “With each new tweet it’s seeming like the “just play Arod now until the suspension, maybe he can help the team” viewpoint it looking more and more naive. :sad:

    I don’t think it’s naive, it’s practical. They appear to be all-in this year. They have no better option at 3B/RH DH, and they are paying him a ton of money.

    Unless they can magically make his contract disappear and then use the money on better, younger players, I want him to play.

  201. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “AndrewMarchand: Yanks looking into if A-Rod violated the CBA by seeking a second opinion without consulting them http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml…..ng-slugger …”

    That wouldn’t seem like a gray area, they have to already know. But even if it somehow did, it’s a minor breach.

    It’s a PR game of chicken.
    —————–

    At this point if Alex sneezes the Yankees are going to try and see if it was a breach of the CBA – anything they can do to void his contract.

  202. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    “I dont blame cashman for trying to find any way out of the contract.”

    Cashman is doing what he is told.

  203. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Rich are you seriously trying to say you believe there is a chance he didnt do what he is accused of?

  204. austinmac July 24th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    I very much question what AROD could provide. He might run into a pitch now and then, but I bet he would K an inordinate amount of times. If he could really help, bring him on.

    Rich, Robinson was a very tough guy. He crowded the plate against anyone at any time. What a trade for the Orioles. God, I hated the O’s.

  205. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    ac1

    No matter what anyone is accused of in life, I only believe it when I see evidence.

  206. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    You can’t void a contract for not getting permission to get a 2nd opinion.

    IMO that’s ridiculous Chip.

    It’s a minor infraction at best.

  207. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Rich i usually agree on the innocent until guilty theory. Alex gives no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, plus fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you. He already admitted use in the past.

  208. bruceb July 24th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    ARod and his “people” are using Francesa…and Francesa is happy to be used as he gets the scoop. I’m sure ESPN and Kay are not too happy. ESPN has turned into a monster, to be honest. Too many agendas and too many masters to satisfy to stand any chance of unbiased reporting.

  209. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    ac1

    He was one player on a list of like 100. Unlike Ortiz, he admitted his usage. I’m not sure what makes him a worse guy.

  210. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    “Unless they can magically make his contract disappear and then use the money on better, younger players, I want him to play.”

    Scroll up a bit. There might be a hefty financial incentive to keep him off the team until the beginning of August and/or a suspension, whichever comes first. Emphasis on “might”.

    I would like to see Arod back too, if it would help the team. Which it probably would.

  211. austinmac July 24th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    I simply can’t believe a major league baseball player gives up the right to a doctor of his choosing for a second opinion. That is ridiculous and grasping at straws.

  212. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    Even if A-Rod is as guilty as sin MLB still has to be able to prove it sufficiently.

    When you can lawyer-up the way A-Rod can that might be a lot easier said than done.

    A-rod is not some helpless babe in the woods. He is a very rich Man.

    He can afford the best counsel(s) in the business. And if his back is to the wall he has little to lose by fighting anyway.

    Don’t make this sound like a slam dunk for MLB without knowing the facts 1st.

    ;)

  213. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Rich i am not comparing him and ortiz. So because he was one of many, it makes it ok?
    He cheated. I dont believe ortiz either. He confessed when he had no other choice. He also lied on cbs before it. So yes, he gets no benefit of the doubt.

  214. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    “fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you.”

    I think you’ve got that saying backwards.

  215. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Arod is like a politician… Deny deny deny then confess and claim you made mistakes, you are sorry, yadda yadda.

  216. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Nice shot by Francesa at Michael Kay, “You’re going to get both sides of the story here. I have no affiliation with Alex, I don’t have him on my show and I don’t make appearances with him. I’m also not going to side with the Yankees because I don’t work for the Yankees. I just want to know why, if he’s healthy, are the Yankees refusing to play him. You don’t hear this on the telecasts because the Yankees don’t want them talking about it on their programs or on other programs.”

  217. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Nick you are correct i have it backwards. My bad. Same idea though.

  218. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    If Arod gets some punishment now, it’s not for appearing on a list of 100 from a survey test in 2003, even if past history is animating Bud’s ire.

    It will be for transgressions made during the current CBA.

  219. MG July 24th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    austinmac July 24th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    I very much question what AROD could provide. He might run into a pitch now and then, but I bet he would K an inordinate amount of times. If he could really help, bring him on.

    Rich, Robinson was a very tough guy. He crowded the plate against anyone at any time. What a trade for the Orioles. God, I hated the O’s.
    —————
    mac, we have the same memories of those O’s-they not only had both Robinsons (Frank and Brooks) and Boog Powell plus they had great starting pitching-Jim Palmer, Dave McNally, and Mike Cuellar.

    What really pissed me off about them, though, was that they lost the WS to the Miracle Mets, that was unbearable for a Yankees fan back in those days when the Yankees sucked.

    As for Arod, I just think the theater alone would be worth having him in the lineup-almost like the Roman Coliseum and the crescendo of boos raining down, it would give him a chance for his ‘Spartacus’ moment where, instead of being killed by K’s, he turns the crowd around by hitting one out of the park.

    But his 1st game should be in Texas, they really hate him there.

  220. austinmac July 24th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Let’s imagine this hypothetical. AROD is examined by the Yankees team doctor who says “Alex you need career ending back surgery fusing four lumbar discs”. Alex reponds by saying “But, my back doesn’t hurt.” Are they actually saying Alex would have to have that surgery or else be subject to losing his contract and could not get a second opinion without permission.

    If so, I hear a surgery recommendation coming.

  221. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    I’m not sure a scorched earth policy is what either side would desire but if things are not handled with finesse that might be exactly what they get.

    In that case everyone is gonna lose.

  222. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Chip, alex is the one who claimed he as hurt. He is coming off a bad injury and not days before jeter hurt his quad too. I dont get why this is so confusing.

    Maybe alex shouldnt have claimed to be hurt if he wasnt hurt.

  223. Pauldanand July 24th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Marvin K. Mooney will you please leave now?

  224. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    “Arod is like a politician… Deny deny deny then confess and claim you made mistakes, you are sorry, yadda yadda.”

    A la Ryan Braun.

    If Arod does accept a plea deal, I hope his PR team can craft a better statement than Braun’s, which was really pathetic.

  225. Captain Clutch July 24th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    The biggest joke is the homerun bonus’ in Arod’s contract. He makes $6m if/when he ties Mays, Ruth, Aaron and Bonds. He is only 17 homeruns away from Mays.

  226. Hans Davenport July 24th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    All the worries are soon over Nix is at High A! I guess when Nix gets here Lilliputian is gone and Adams can rot on the bench. I don’t think Nix will sit. He’ll be in the lineup everyday and bat second.

  227. Rich in NJ July 24th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    “If Arod gets some punishment now, it’s not for appearing on a list of 100 from a survey test in 2003, even if past history is animating Bud’s ire.

    It will be for transgressions made during the current CBA.”

    Of course, but that’s why people have called him a cheater and are more likely to disbelieve him.

  228. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    MTU July 24th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    You can’t void a contract for not getting permission to get a 2nd opinion.

    IMO that’s ridiculous Chip.

    It’s a minor infraction at best.
    ———————-

    Oh I fully agree that it’s idiotic. A person has the right to see whatever doctor they want to see. I think the Yankees are completely wrong in how they’ve handled Alex this year. They’ve been acting like petulant children. It’s almost as bad as George hiring a PI to follow Winfield to try and see if they could void his deal.

  229. blake July 24th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    I’ve been trying to determine just how large a mirror Kay would have to have to view his entire head in it.

  230. ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Agreed braun was pathetic.
    I see him actually as worse than alex.

  231. Chip July 24th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Chip, alex is the one who claimed he as hurt. He is coming off a bad injury and not days before jeter hurt his quad too. I dont get why this is so confusing.

    Maybe alex shouldnt have claimed to be hurt if he wasnt hurt.
    —————

    There’s a difference between being sore (a natural reaction to getting back in shape) and being injured to the point you can’t play.

  232. MG July 24th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    ac1 July 24th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    Rich i usually agree on the innocent until guilty theory. Alex gives no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, plus fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you. He already admitted use in the past.
    ————-
    actually, our former president, the brilliant theoretician George W Bush, said it best:

    “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

  233. blake July 24th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    “The biggest joke is the homerun bonus’ in Arod’s contract. He makes $6m if/when he ties Mays, Ruth, Aaron and Bonds. He is only 17 homeruns away from Mays.”

    it’s a joke now but again in 2007 he was going to be baseball’s savior from the evil Barry Bonds…..he was going to bring honor back to the HR record and he was going to do it in pinstripes…….the narrative was a lot different when his contract was signed. I’m not trying to justify it…..just sayin

  234. Nick in SF July 24th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    “Of course, but that’s why people have called him a cheater and are more likely to disbelieve him.”

    His past history of cheating does influence opinion, yes.

    :arrow:

  235. RadioKev July 24th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    MTU,

    It sounds like the MLB has a mountain of circumstantial evidence. That could be enough in arbitration. The lifetime ban threat seems to be a way to bargain down to a 100-150 game suspension in a plea deal.

    They obviously want the plea to save themselves the chance of losing.

  236. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Chip-

    Like I said. Either side underestimating the other is a mistake in my eyes.

    Scorched earth policy burns everyone to one extent or another.

    No one should be desiring that or wanting things to go in that direction.

  237. MTU July 24th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Kev-

    A deal makes more sense than a knock down drag out to me.

    ;)

  238. Jerkface July 24th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Here is why I don’t think a suspension will help the luxury tax:

    1. The CBA does not say players on the restricted list do not count
    2. Here is how salary for the luxury tax is calculated

    (8) “Guaranteed Year” shall mean any championship season
    included in a Uniform Player’s Contract for which more than 50%
    of the Player’s Base Salary is guaranteed by the Contract in the
    event of termination under paragraph 7(b)(2).

    (11) “Salary” shall be defined as provided in Section E below
    and shall be attributable to Contract Years as provided in Sections C
    and E below.

    (1) General Rule
    “Salary” shall mean the value of the total compensation (cash or
    otherwise) paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform
    Player’s Contract, including any guarantee by the Club of payments
    by third parties, for a particular championship season. Salary shall
    include, without limitation, the value of non-cash compensation such
    as the provision of personal translators, personal massage therapists,
    and airfare and tickets exceeding normal Club allotments. Consistent
    with the rules set out below, all compensation paid to a Player pursuant to the terms of a Uniform Player’s Contract shall be attributable to the Contract Year(s) in which the Player is required under the
    Contract to render services to a Club as a baseball player, regardless
    of how the compensation is characterized under the Contract.

    (2) Average Annual Value of Guaranteed Multi-Year Contracts
    A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1)
    championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to
    have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual
    Value” of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by
    operation of Section E(4) below). “Average Annual Value” shall be
    calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guaranteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other
    payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to
    a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c)
    any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed
    to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall
    be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years

    The JDA simply says they do not receive pay, it does not state that the contract is modified in any way. Which means that the AAV of the contract, which is calculated off the contract not the physical pay, would not be modified.

    There is no language that says you would simply subtract 25 million from 27.5. I don’t know where 86 is getting that. And I would need more than some beat writer saying sources said so, because we all remember the Daily News sources turned out to be wrong, and that was ‘confirmed’ 3 ways, but was wrong.

  239. tbone1570 July 24th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    austinmac July 24th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Let’s imagine this hypothetical. AROD is examined by the Yankees team doctor who says “Alex you need career ending back surgery fusing four lumbar discs”. Alex reponds by saying “But, my back doesn’t hurt.” Are they actually saying Alex would have to have that surgery or else be subject to losing his contract and could not get a second opinion without permission.

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    mac,

    The player isn’t barred from getting a second and independent opinion. The player is “obligated” to inform the club in writing that they will be getting another opinion prior to seeing the second doctor. It’s been reported that A-Rod got the second opinion without informing the club that he was going to do so.

  240. Wave Your Hat July 24th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    I can’t see any sort of due process in a lifetime ban. Braun gets 65 games and ARod a lifetime ban? When before has MLB used multiple violations in a situation where the accused has no prior violations? Did the CBA really intend to punish situations where there is no positive test more harshly than where there is a positive test? Does the CBA really grantLB the right to suspend in the absence of a positive test?

    I think a court or arbitrator is going to be very very reluctant to deprive ARod of his livelihood.


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