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Just waiting for Soriano deal to become official

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 26, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alfonso Soriano said goodbye to his Cubs teammates last night and reportedly caught a late flight to New York. Bob Nightengale reports that Soriano could be in the Yankees lineup as early as tonight against the Rays.

“I don’t know what the Cubs got, but I’m happy and I think they’re happy too,” Soriano told Cubs reporters last night. “I’m happy to go back to New York where I started my career.”

There’s money involved, and that always causes a bit of a delay in making a trade official. A source said last night that the deal was close, but not quite done.

When the trade is officially completed, the Yankees will have an open 40-man roster spot that Soriano can take, meaning they’ll only have to open a spot on the 25-man active roster. Have to assume Soriano steps into the lineup in the cleanup spot, right? He fits nicely as a right-handed bat between Robinson Cano and Lyle Overbay. The Yankees have had some of the major’s worst production from left field and the right side of the plate, and Soriano should help with each of those issues. He doesn’t get on base much, but he has the home run power the Yankees so desperately need.

UPDATE, 9:05 a.m.: Hello from somewhere high above the U.S. The Cubs are reportedly choosing from a list of pitchers that include Corey Black and Tommy Kahnle, two young right-handers who were in big league camp this spring. Either one has legitimate big league upside, but neither is necessarily considered a front-line prospect. Just based on a handful of clubhouse conversations this spring, I thought Black seemed like a guy with a good head on his shoulders (and he has a big arm for a smaller guy). Didn’t talk to Kahnle much this spring, but he’s pitching well out of the Double-A bullpen.

Buster Olney is saying the Yankees will pay a little less than $7 million of Soriano’s remaining salary including, somewhat surprisingly, about $5 million next season. Kind of expected them to pay almost nothing next year, but the Cubs might not have been OK with that. They’d probably like to pay less next year as well. Meanwhile, Jim Bowden says the deal has been approved.

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376 Responses to “Just waiting for Soriano deal to become official”

  1. austinmac July 26th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    We all love for our team to win, this year and every year. The concerns we express are sacrificing tomorrow for today and not acting to help tomorrow. Letting our free agents walk for either nothing or a draft pick hurts in both respects.

  2. blake July 26th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    blake says:
    July 26, 2013 at 7:49 am
    @JonHeymanCBS: #yankees are expected to pay less than $10M of the $25M or so to go on soriano. #cubs #yankees

    @JonHeymanCBS: #cubs will receive a prospect back. corey black, a pitcher, is one possibility. #soriano

    If its black then I’m not wild about that…..you’re talking about trading a high upside reliever for probably a 5% or less greater chance of makin he playoffs and like a 1 % or less greater chance of winning the WS……

  3. blake July 26th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    blake says:
    July 26, 2013 at 7:23 am
    “You root how you want to. I just don’t understand Yankee fans who believe 100% that losing is the quickest way to fix this. That’s not a quick fix. It’s anything but. And it could be decades before they sniff the postseason again if they lose, become irrelevant and have Cashman drafting & developing our future stars.”

    Here is the thing though……you may lose either way…..likely will if significant additions aren’t made.

    I’m only interested in the Yankees getting good again as soon as possible…..if you don’t have a title contending team then trading assets for younger more controllable assets is one way to get good again faster.

    I don’t like the Yankees to lose…..and ideally Id love to go for it this year and also be able to be good long term….but I’m not sure both of those things are possible.

    If they keep on worrying about next year next year then it’s going to be increasingly harder for them to compete…..

    If they can add enough this year to to for it in Mos final season then I won’t oppose…..I’ll cheer…..but I do t see where they are getting enough help to do it and it’s going to suck next year when project 189 kicks in and they have an even older and even more mediocre roster

  4. blake July 26th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Mac,

    Yes….as I’ve been saying ….if you don’t have to give up anything for Soriano then fine…..he does upgrade a spot….however if you do that they you’re going for it most likely and you’re losing the opportunity cost by not selling and trying to get some assets for the future….

    If it be worth it if you won the WS? Of course…..would it be worth it if you squeeze into a WC spot and promptly get stomped or miss the playoffs all together? Id argue no…..

  5. pat July 26th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Soriano has hit as many HRs as the whole Yankee team has in the last month and the $8M price tag is reasonable but I’m not feeling an adrenaline rush from this move.

    Cashman has a new big hairy monster to add to his collection!

  6. austinmac July 26th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Short term success with long term planning. I would like to see some evidence of the latter.

  7. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Soriano is essentially like adding a new bumper to an 87 camaro. The car is upgraded….but it’s still an 87 camaro…..

  8. JobaTipsHisCap July 26th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Another bad move by Cashman, he should be let go.

  9. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    If it be worth it if you won the WS? Of course…..would it be worth it if you squeeze into a WC spot and promptly get stomped or miss the playoffs all together? Id argue no…..
    ———-

    You’ve got to be in it to win it.

    It’s not that hard to see a world in which Jeter and Granderson return, CC shapes up, Pineda makes an impact, Soriano contributes and we look decent. Obviously there are a lot of factors here, but the Yankees have to give themselves a chance.

  10. pat July 26th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Heyman: Yanks will pay 7-8 M for Soriano

    Sherman: Yanks will pay 8- 12M for Soriano.

    Give or take 5 million is a pretty significant difference.

  11. Tar July 26th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    “If it be worth it if you won the WS? Of course…..would it be worth it if you squeeze into a WC spot and promptly get stomped or miss the playoffs all together? Id argue no…..”

    For me it’s about making the post-season or not. If you feel like you can you go for it. Even if your chances are slim once you get there. Because anything can and does happen.

    The question is can they make it in? Right now the answer in my mind is, no way.

    Soriano helps but is like a baby step, when really they need three giant leaps.

    Cash has a few more days to figure it out, hopefully he makes the right move one way or another.

    Have a good day everyone.

  12. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 3m
    #Yankees are going to pay $8M to $12M of the $25M-ish that Soriano is still owed #Cubs

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 2m
    Corey Black is small RH who throws 95. #Cubs were looking to add pitching. #Yankees

    The Yankees have wasted so much money this year on nothing……it’s going to be fun when they cry poor this winter.

  13. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    And Black is a High A player. It would be nice to keep him, but “prospects are suspects.” Soriano has more homeruns than our entire team this month.

  14. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    “It’s not that hard to see a world in which Jeter and Granderson return, CC shapes up, Pineda makes an impact, Soriano contributes and we look decent. Obviously there are a lot of factors here, but the Yankees have to give themselves a chance.”

    lot of ifs there…..the facts are that the Yankees have 7 games to make up and they have the 2nd worst offense in the AL……

    The Yankees have a shot at the WC…..I don’t see any way they outplay Boston and Tampa by 7 full games the rest of the way and win the division…..I just don’t think they’ll have the firepower for that sort of run. Anything can happen…..I just don’t get much satisfaction for mediocrity…..and the Yankees this season have been the definition of mediocre. I’d rather be bad with a direction than mediocre with none…..

  15. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    What teams are bad with a direction? I think this is such a myth.

    The Giants are a team who shaped up to win the World Series twice in three years. It can be done.

  16. longtimefan July 26th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Soriano–Oh goodness, gracious, our season is saved, just what we needed another over paid veteran in the declining years of his career

  17. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    “And Black is a High A player. It would be nice to keep him, but “prospects are suspects.” Soriano has more homeruns than our entire team this month.”

    I’m usually not bothered by trading relievers…..but Black is upside and could move fast…..and you’re trading him for a rental that probably won’t have any impact on the outcome of the season…….It’s not a huge deal and the Yankees probably won’t miss Black…..but you never know….Mo won’t be around next year…..Robertson is a FA after next year…..strengths can turn into weaknesses really quickly and it would be very annoying if it turns out 3 years from now that the Yankees need a closer and Corey Black is closing for the league minimum in Chicago……because its’ possible.

  18. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    “What teams are bad with a direction? I think this is such a myth.”

    Cubs, Mets, Pirates were for years…..it’s not a myth…..the Nats got good by being bad with a direction and they did it quickly……(this year withstanding).

    Now you can be bad and think you have a direction but have none (Royals)..,…and that’s no good….but the absolute worst place a team can be is stuck right in the middle……being not good enough but telling yourself you are. That leads to years and years of wheel spinning.

  19. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Sure, and the same thing happened with Melancon/Berkman. But you’ve got to take the shot while you’ve got it and live with the results.

  20. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    “The Giants are a team who shaped up to win the World Series twice in three years. It can be done.”

    they were also bad with a direction for awhile…..how do you think they got Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarder?

  21. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:17 am
    “What teams are bad with a direction? I think this is such a myth.”

    Cubs, Mets, Pirates were for years…..it’s not a myth…..the Nats got good by being bad with a direction and they did it quickly……(this year withstanding).

    Now you can be bad and think you have a direction but have none (Royals)..,…and that’s no good….but the absolute worst place a team can be is stuck right in the middle……being not good enough but telling yourself you are. That leads to years and years of wheel spinning.
    ——–

    Cubs aren’t good, Mets aren’t good, Pirates are good but they have a history of second half collapse, and the Nats aren’t good. Our crumbling team is still better than three out of those four teams.

  22. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    “Sure, and the same thing happened with Melancon/Berkman. But you’ve got to take the shot while you’ve got it and live with the results.”

    IF you have a legit shot…..that’s the big disconnect for me…..the Melancon for Berkman deal was worth it because that team was a lot better than this one and did have a chance. Again this team has score less runs than anyone in the AL aside from the minor league team in Houston.

  23. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am
    “The Giants are a team who shaped up to win the World Series twice in three years. It can be done.”

    they were also bad with a direction for awhile…..how do you think they got Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarder?
    ———

    But the scrapheaper additions helped them get to the playoffs and win in the playoffs.

  24. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    I mean, the Cardinals are the only surefire playoff team/World Series contender in my opinion. Teams across the board are weaker this season. It may not look pretty, but a lot of teams have a legitimate shot.

  25. LGY July 26th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    ~$10M for Soriano?

    What are we up to, $50M, in dumpster diving?

    What a poor use of resources.

  26. Doreen July 26th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    They are not crying poor. It is a conscious effort to limit their payroll. Which they can scrap if they want. If they make it to the playoffs, they will not scrap the plan. If they don’t, there’s more of a chance they scrap it, but I’m not sure.

    A lot of things are in flux right now and we just have to wait to see how it shakes out.

    It will be nice if adding Soriano helps. It’s not an earth-shattering acquisition, but it’s something…which is better than nothing.

  27. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Blockbuster deal:

    Yankees Get: Alfonso Soriano

    Cubs Get: PTBNL

    Attorneys Get: Arod’s contract

    Bud Selig Gets: Arod’s butt on a platter

  28. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    “Cubs aren’t good, Mets aren’t good, Pirates are good but they have a history of second half collapse, and the Nats aren’t good. Our crumbling team is still better than three out of those four teams.”

    they won’t be for long if some changes aren’t made…..I didn’t say the Mets and Cubs were good now…..I said they were bad with a direction. The Cubs have a top 5 farm system now…..and the Mets have Matt Harvery and Wheeler. They are both young teams who have the ship pointed in the right direction after years of their ownership lying to itself.

  29. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    “But the scrapheaper additions helped them get to the playoffs and win in the playoffs.”

    no the guys they picked high in the first round helped them win…..Lincecum, Cain, Bumgardner, Posey etc…..sure they added pence and some other guys (and honestly they got very lucky)….but the core of those titles were a result of them being bad enough to draft star players.

  30. pat July 26th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Alex seems to be utilizing the support staff from Roc Nation Sports lately.

    Perhaps he already has a new career picked out for himself post playing days.

  31. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    “What are we up to, $50M, in dumpster diving?”

    up to almost a Choo or McCann contract……it’s ridiculous…..its there money and they can waste it all they want…..but they better not cry poor this winter is all I can say.

  32. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Bob Nightengale ?@BNightengale 11m
    The #Yankees payroll for luxury tax purposes, before Soriano trade, was at $234.3 million, the highest in #MLB. #Dodgers are 2nd at $227.9M

    234 million dollar 1987 camaro…..with a new bumper (Soriano)

  33. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    It’s going to be fun watching this team cut over $50 million dollars in payroll next year with Tex, Alex, CC, and Cano (hopefully) on the books.

  34. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    I’m assuming the dollars we’re paying for Soriano will be this year and not next year… right?

  35. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    One more acquisition to go.

    Phil Hughes for _______________

    It’s gotta be a major leaguer since we are buyers.

    Prado?

    Gattis?

    McCann?

    Miguel Montero?

    Garrett Jones?

  36. Doreen July 26th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Part of getting a good farm system is to be bad enough to draft high.

    While the Yankees farm system isn’t as rich as some would like, it is better than it was several years ago, and that’s with the Yankees not having great drafting spots and losing draft picks for signing free agents.

    Plus it is very easy for teams not in contention to trade star players before their free agency in order to get younger players or top p respects, because losing that player or this players is not going to make much difference in their overall status.

    The Yankees are in contention every year, and even this year they are not out of it. Why would you give up your chance to win today? Tomorrow never comes.

    Look at the Nationals. They screwed up Strasberg’s innings management last year, and he was not used in the post season, figuring there would always be next year. Fact is last year may have been their best shot, and Strasberg’s best shot. You have to deal in the known, not the up unknown as much as possible.

    And the189 is not about not About not having miey, or not even about not wantng to spend money. It is about not wanting to pay almost 50% tax and it is about the idea that it should be possible to build a contending team at the luxury tax limit, which would still top the payrolls if most teams. It is going to hurt in the short term, any change usually does.

    Next year is a huge question mark, for sure. But it should shape up to having some prospects on board. And depending on how the ARod situation settles, things could look a lot different going into the off season.

  37. David in Cal July 26th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Sori won’t hit that many HR’s for the Yankees. He has hit 11 HRs at home and only 6 on the road. It’s a lot easier for a RH batter to hit a HR in Wrigley Field than in Yankee Stadium. Sori’s OBP is only .287. He will be of limited help this year and probably no help next year. There must be better ways for the Yanks to spend money and prospects.

  38. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    “One more acquisition to go.

    Phil Hughes for _______________

    It’s gotta be a major leaguer since we are buyers.

    Prado?

    Gattis?

    McCann?

    Miguel Montero?

    Garrett Jones?”

    the first 4 of those players wouldn’t be traded for Hughes…..the last one isn’t all that great.

    If the Yankees have decided to go for it then I don’t think they can trade Hughes…..not the way CC is pitching and knowing Andy could get hurt at any minute. This is why they have to pick a lane…..you’re either in or you’re out.

  39. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Good morning all.

    Good post Doreen.

    Blake- Joel De La Cruz, a 24 yo Tampa pitcher was rumored earlier as a possible target for the Cubs.

    As far as Hughes is concerned, I haven’t seen his name come up in trade rumors, by any team looking for a starter. Keep hearing Peavy, Norris, Volquez, Gallardo, and yes, even Bedard.

  40. 86w183 July 26th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Morning all —-

    I like the move, if it’s $ 8 M and Corey Black.

    Blake —

    You are really over rating Black. He’s a 5’10″ gas thrower who averages about four innings a start and walks a lot of people. He really struggles versus RH hitters and has a huge ERA (4.25) for a pitcher friendly league, which ranks 20th among FSL starters.

    Projecting him as the Cubs closer is far fetched.

  41. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “Look at the Nationals. They screwed up Strasberg’s innings management last year, and he was not used in the post season, figuring there would always be next year. Fact is last year may have been their best shot, and Strasberg’s best shot. You have to deal in the known, not the up unknown as much as possible.”

    yup….this is what I and others were saying. You have no guarantee you’ll make it back…..and there was no guarantee that shutting him down would keep him from getting hurt.

    Mike Rizzo is a good GM…..but that was one of the dumbest decisions I’ve ever seen a GM make. It was a decision based on nothing but hypothesis…..and it was a decision based on the wrong assumption that they’d just be back next year……

  42. blake July 26th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    “You are really over rating Black. He’s a 5’10? gas thrower who averages about four innings a start and walks a lot of people.”

    he averages 4 innings a start because he’s probably going to be a reliever….that’s what pretty much everyone sees him as……and I didn’t project him as anything…..I said it was possible and it is.

  43. blake July 26th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    to have a good farm system you need to do 3 things 1) you have to draft well (generally it helps a lot if you get to draft in the top 15 consistently 2) you have to develop well. 3) and you have to make good decisions at the big league level based on who you are and what you can do financially.

    The Rays make really good decisions on that 3rd point…..they know who they are and they act appropriately for who they are and what they can afford.

    The Yankees aren’t the Rays and I don’t want them to be either…..they shouldn’t be…..but if they aren’t willing to spend like they used to then they are going to operate differently than they have…….they want to be like everyone else financially then they need to act like it.

  44. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Right now this would be offense for next year, opening day:

    1B-Tex if healthy
    2B-?
    SS-Jeter
    3B-?
    C-?
    DH-Soriano
    RF-Ichiro
    CF-Gardner
    LF-Wells

    Not very confidence building!

  45. pat July 26th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Buster:
    Soriano is owed about $24.5m through ’14. CHC are going to pick up about $17.7m. NYY will pick up about $6.8m of that, including $5m in ’14.

  46. Mike Ri July 26th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    1B-Tex if healthy
    2B-?
    SS-Jeter
    3B-?
    C-?
    DH-Soriano
    RF-Ichiro
    CF-Gardner
    LF-Wells

    ———
    YUCK

  47. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    And the189 is not about not About not having miey, or not even about not wantng to spend money. It is about not wanting to pay almost 50% tax and it is about the idea that it should be possible to build a contending team at the luxury tax limit, which would still top the payrolls if most teams. It is going to hurt in the short term, any change usually does.

    —————–

    They could have done this any time before.. or any time after.. they don’t need to do it next year when they have over $90 million dollars tied up in 4 players (two of which are coming off major injuries/surgeries).

    They’re doing this now to save money and not pay the tax. Fine. They should have prepared better for it once they knew this was the goal. Instead they signed/acquired one year guys to huge money deals that are just as useless as the guys we’re paying $20+ million to per season.

    They’ve had opportunities to cut payroll and still be competitive. Waiting and seeing is fine for fans Doreen, but not for the people steering the ship. You can’t have your business plan be ‘wait and see’ when you know how low in the system your top talent is and how many years you’re stuck with big money deals.

    The frustrations is all about how they’ve stood by and done nothing to actually make $189 work. This is Mariano’s last season and this is the team they put together? That’s embarrassing.

  48. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    It depends on how you fill in the blanks

    1B-Tex
    2B- Cano
    SS-Nunez
    3B-Prado
    C-McCann or Navarro
    DH-Jeter
    RF-Ichiro
    CF-Gardner
    LF-Soriano/Wells

  49. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    NYY will pick up about $6.8m of that, including $5m in ’14.
    —————————-

    Where are you getting the 5M from for 2014-what source?

    The rest is from Buster Olney, and the minor leaguer going to the Cubs is still being decided on, per Hardball Talk.

  50. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Or this

    1B-Tex
    2B- Cano
    SS-Jeter
    3B-Prado or Headley
    C-McCann or Navarro
    DH-Soriano/Wells
    RF-Ichiro
    CF-Gardner
    LF-Choo

  51. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    The farm kids weren’t even projected to hit anytime before 2015 and in some cases even that is an optimistic projection… and worse yet, not many of them have distinguished themselves the way the org has hoped. I feel badly for Austin, because he was just picking it up and hopefully Mason is on his way, but these guys aren’t going to be starting next year. Next year our OF will be Gardner, Wells, Ichiro and Soriano and god willing maybe Almonte.

    I’d like to think JR can impact next year… maybe you trade for a 3B (I dunno how Adams and/or Musty could be the answer).. but this team needs help and there’s a fair bit that won’t come from within.

  52. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    1B-Tex
    2B- Cano
    SS-Jeter/Nunez
    3B-Prado or Headley
    C-McCann or Navarro
    DH-Soriano/Wells
    RF-Ichiro
    CF-Gardner
    LF-Choo

  53. 86w183 July 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    “You are really over rating Black. He’s a 5’10? gas thrower who averages about four innings a start and walks a lot of people.”

    he averages 4 innings a start because he’s probably going to be a reliever….that’s what pretty much everyone sees him as……and I didn’t project him as anything…..I said it was possible and it is.

    ************************************************************************

    Wanna bet? He’s more likely to still be in the minors three years from today than he’s going to be a closer in MLB.

  54. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    The team needs a 3B, a C and an OF.

    2 of those 3 are available in free agency.

    3B would have to be a trade.

  55. NYYROC July 26th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    If the NYY could get Sori for a mL P, couldn’t they get Konerko (to platoon with Overbay) for something similar?

  56. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    $5 mil next year for Soriano to be the everyday DH is not a bad deal. As for Black, the Yankees have a ton of middle relief arms. Unless Corey Black turns into Mo I don’t see how a Yankee fan has a problem with this trade.

    Soriano’s not blocking any young players, he’s not taking away at bats from any young players, and he’s easily now the best right handed hitter in the lineup.

  57. pat July 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Where are you getting the 5M from for 2014-what source?

    Buster_ESPN 32m
    Soriano is owed about $24.5m through ’14. CHC are going to pick up about $17.7m. NYY will pick up about $6.8m of that, including $5m in ’14.

  58. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    NYYROC July 26th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    If the NYY could get Sori for a mL P, couldn’t they get Konerko (to platoon with Overbay) for something similar?
    —————

    Indications are Konerko doesn’t want to leave Chicago and he has 5/10 rights so he’s not going anywhere.

  59. blake July 26th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    “Wanna bet? He’s more likely to still be in the minors three years from today than he’s going to be a closer in MLB.”

    of course I don’t want to bet…..because it’s not likely he’ll be a good closer in 3 years. I just said it would suck if he was….meaning it’s possible. There is a better chance he’s a closer in 3 years than there is that Soriano helps the Yankees win the WS this year though…..

  60. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Blake –

    If there’s one area that the Yankees have plenty of depth to make a trade like this it is with RHP.

  61. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    People will laud Cashman for this, because all he’s picking up his about $7m. but in reality, he’s paying $7m for a washed up guy. Same with the Vern trade. He’s paying little. So there’s low risk, high reward, but all these $$ could have been put to better use, for instance on Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez.

  62. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    ESPN’s Buster Olney reports that the Cubs will pay roughly $17.7 million of the approximately $24.5 million left on Alfonso Soriano’s contract.
    The Yankees will be on the hook for about $1.8 million this year and $5 million next year. The trade sending the veteran outfielder back to the Bronx only needs commissioner Bud Selig’s approval at this point. The Cubs are expected to receive pitching prospect Corey Black in the deal.

  63. blake July 26th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    “$5 mil next year for Soriano to be the everyday DH is not a bad deal. As for Black, the Yankees have a ton of middle relief arms. Unless Corey Black turns into Mo I don’t see how a Yankee fan has a problem with this trade.”

    if the Yankees were good I wouldn’t have a problem with it…..my issue is them thinking this trade is going to make a difference and also adding 5 more million onto an already very tight 2014 budget.

    Now if Hal comes out tomorrow and says project 189 is over…..and we are going to start operating like the Yankees again…..then fine…..but based on what we know now it’s not a bad move….it’s just a meaningless move IMO

  64. Doreen July 26th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Shame, perhaps. But they have been working within a budget for a few years now, mostly staying status quo.

    I don’t know that it can be said they don’t have a plan, when were not in the room with them, and they are never going to talk specifics. They may not have a plan, they may have a plan and we don’t like it, or they may have a plan that well like better once it unfolds.

    I don’t think there was ever gong to be a perfect time. Life doesn’t happen that way. If you wait around for conditions to be perfect, generally speaking, nothing happens.

    They were never going to trade today for tomorrow.

    Does anyone here know how much they send on development, scouting, etc.? Because the idea gets tossed around here that they need to spend more, so I assume people know theyre not spending enough or as much as other teams?

    Can they do better? You can always do better.

    Did they leave themselves no margin for error this season? Yeah.

    Perhaps I’m naive to a certain extent. But I’m not seeing how, if the goal is to win every year, how you do things too much differently than they have done overall. Moves here and here? Sure.

  65. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

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  66. Wave Your Hat July 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Soriano’s OK, this team needed someone like him. I’m not wild about a trio of Soriano, Wells and Ichiro next year, but that’s nine months away.

  67. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    “$5 mil next year for Soriano to be the everyday DH is not a bad deal. As for Black, the Yankees have a ton of middle relief arms. Unless Corey Black turns into Mo I don’t see how a Yankee fan has a problem with this trade.”

    if the Yankees were good I wouldn’t have a problem with it…..my issue is them thinking this trade is going to make a difference and also adding 5 more million onto an already very tight 2014 budget.

    Now if Hal comes out tomorrow and says project 189 is over…..and we are going to start operating like the Yankees again…..then fine…..but based on what we know now it’s not a bad move….it’s just a meaningless move IMO
    —————————–

    The issue I have with your argument is that you’re not going to find a better DH option than Soriano for less than $5 mil.

    If we look ahead to next year you figure that Soriano will DH against RHP with Almonte in LF and then Sori will play LF against LHP with Jeter at DH and Nunez at SS (that’s assuming Alex is suspended for much of next season)

  68. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Deals like this protect the farm so there is no reason for a prospect hugger to lash out when Cashman trades for Wells or Soriano. If you want a better player, get better prospects and be ready to part with them. The Yankees don’t have better prospects and if they did they would probably stockpile them. The farm has been preserved throughout a season of unprecedented injury.

    BTW, while keeping all the top prospects, the Yankees stand 2.5 back in the WC with Jeter and Granderson due to return. Trade Phil Hughes for a bat and the Yankees could easily make the playoffs without touching the farm.

    You prospect huggers should be kissing his fanny.

  69. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Wave Your Hat July 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Soriano’s OK, this team needed someone like him. I’m not wild about a trio of Soriano, Wells and Ichiro next year, but that’s nine months away.
    ——————

    Correct, and with what they’re obligated to pay those three guys it’s entirely possible that they trade one or two of them this winter.

  70. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I would still like to see the Yankees swing a trade for Logan Morrison as a 1b replacement for Overbay.

  71. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I wouldnt say Soriano is exactly what this team needs. He’s just more poo that Cashman is throwing at the wall. Another old, washed up strikeout machine.

  72. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Who’s Logan Morrison?

  73. pkyankfan69 July 26th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Considering the fact that there was no way the Yanks were going to be sellers at the TD I’m fine with this move… Dealt from a position of great depth in the minors and acquired a definite upgrade at the plate. Not a huge impact move but it helps and we didn’t give up all that much. Meh.

  74. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    blake, if they’re spending a lot on scouting, development, training and medical staff, it certainly doesn’t show. I think it’s more of “they get what they pay for” and they’re getting crap

  75. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    “I’m happy to go back to New York where I started my career.”

    ___________

    He must be stoked! Get out of Chicago and start winning again.

  76. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Friday, July 26, 2013
    IIs Alfonso Soriano Even an Upgrade?
    Although it’s not actually official yet, all indications are that Alfonso Soriano will be a Yankee by this weekend. Soriano left the Yankees as a shaky defensive second baseman with speed and power in the Alex Rodriguez trade and returns as a plus defensive LF who still has pop but doesn’t run all that much. Soriano has never been much of a walker although his 3.9% BB/PA this season would be his lowest since 2002. He still loves swinging at pitches in the left-handed hitters batters box, so that will be fun to watch.

    In order to determine what Soriano adds to the team, you have to figure out who he’s replacing. He’s an option for LF and DH, and that’s pretty much it. So his playing time is going to come at the expense of Travis Hafner and Vernon Wells, most likely. Here are their rest-of-season ZiPS projections, pro-rated to 250 PA.

    Player PA avg obp slg wOBA BR
    Alfonso Soriano 250 .251 .295 .469 .327 31
    Vernon Wells 250 .249 .294 .427 .313 29
    Travis Hafner 250 .238 .333 .427 .332 32

    If you factor in defense and believe the defensive metrics, Soriano probably adds a run or two of value above Wells. So in theory if Soriano is replacing Wells he adds three runs or so to the Yankees over 250 PA. That may not seem like much, but that’s about a week’s worth of offense for this team.

    It’s entirely possible that Hafner’s projection is way off and that his days as an effective player are over. It’s also a fact that he adds no defensive value at all, whereas Wells can at least man the OF and 3B in an emergency. But at least for now Hafner projects as the best hitter of this sordid cast of characters. But once you factor in defense I’d say that Soriano is a more valuable player to have than Hafner as well.

    http://www.chatsports.com/new-.....-2-8214158

  77. Wave Your Hat July 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Chip-

    With what they are paying Wells and Soriano next year – practically nothing – I think those two are a lock to be Yankees next year.

  78. Rich in NJ July 26th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    This is a bad way to run a baseball team that is already in decline, doesn’t have a lot of ML ready prospects, and seems to want to cut payroll going forward.

  79. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    They were never going to trade today for tomorrow.

    ————–

    But that’s exactly what they did…? And they did it in the least cost effective way possible!

    Describing it as ‘moves here and there’ is sort of minimizing the decision making process. A couple ‘moves here and there’ make this team a contender this year and next year AND under the payroll goal.

    They keep adding money to the books in 2014, however marginal it might be, and all of it is attached to more old and aging players.

    I do think they have a plan and the plan is simply to be under the cap in 2014. I don’t think there have been any proactive personnel decisions made to make that a possibility without being a mediocre club.

  80. Yankee Trader July 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Just attached the above article. The Yankees better hope they at least get a healthy and productive Jeter and Granderson back soon, because adding Soriano, IMO will not be enough to get them into the playoffs this year.

  81. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Rich in NJ July 26th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    This is a bad way to run a baseball team that is already in decline, doesn’t have a lot of ML ready prospects, and seems to want to cut payroll going forward.
    —————-

    What did the Yankees give up that impacts them negatively?

    $5 million towards next year’s payroll? We don’t even know if they are going to stick to the $189 mantra – if you believe what Sweeney Murti was saying last week, they probably won’t based on how badly this season has played out.

  82. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Wave Your Hat July 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Chip-

    With what they are paying Wells and Soriano next year – practically nothing – I think those two are a lock to be Yankees next year.
    —————

    If they determine that they need a roster spot I think they could deal Vernon Wells for a Corey Black type minor leaguer

  83. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Rich in NJ July 26th, 2013 at 9:33 am
    This is a bad way to run a baseball team that is already in decline, doesn’t have a lot of ML ready prospects, and seems to want to cut payroll going forward.

    ________________________________________________________

    So is standing pat and doing nothing when your offense clearly needs a boost, especially against lefthanders

  84. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Chip – they’re giving up the possibility of decent prospects by selling off Hiroki, Ichiro, and maybe some team dumb enough or desperate enough to want Lyle Overbay, Chris Stewart, etc.

  85. Patrick July 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I don’t think this is a bad deal. Not paying Soriano much and Corey Black is not a guy I worry about losing.

  86. Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    we are absolutely stacked now.

    we would have dominated the 2007 All Star Game

  87. Patrick July 26th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    With Soriano, Jeter and he who must not be named coming back, that might be enough help on the right side of the plate to push this team into the playoffs. I’d still like another hitter though, preferably at first base.

  88. JM July 26th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Mark Teixeira ? @teixeiramark25
    #Yankees just traded for one of my favorite teammates of all time!

    At least someone is pleased with the Soriano deal

  89. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Chip – they’re giving up the possibility of decent prospects by selling off Hiroki, Ichiro, and maybe some team dumb enough or desperate enough to want Lyle Overbay, Chris Stewart, etc.
    ———————–

    First – The Yankees weren’t going to do that because they are still within reach of the wild card and getting Granderson and Jeter back so they want to at least give themselves a shot at the playoffs.

    Second – if the team falls back over the next month there is still the 8/31 trade deadline when they can sell off players.

  90. PacoDooley July 26th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Those calling this a bad deal are too much in love with mid level prospects. The team is better off with Soriano, and a lineup that could have Soriano, Granderson and Jeter in a matter of weeks will look much better than the one they used last night. The team is unlikely to go anywhere this season, but their chances are better now than before the trade.

  91. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    The money dropped on Wells, Ichiro and Youk would have covered most of Darvish’s posting fee… All of Cespedes’ contract… all of Beltran’s contract… Math is fun.

  92. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    JM July 26th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Mark Teixeira ? @teixeiramark25
    #Yankees just traded for one of my favorite teammates of all time!

    At least someone is pleased with the Soriano deal
    —————–

    Jeter is too. He and Sori were great friends.

  93. Tidrow July 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    When people say Cashman should trade Hughes, Joba ect for a bat it makes me ask the question: when was last time Cashman made a trade where the Yankees gave up a good, young major league player like Hughes for an equally young, good MLB player that wasn’t a salary dump?

  94. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    People fretting the loss of Corey Black really need to calm down. He’s a releiver with some upside, yes, but he is A ball, far from a sure thing. Could be another JOba type arm and we all know where he is headed. Also, Yanks are loaded with these middle releiver types down there. Whitley, Pinder, Kahnle, Burawa, Betances. Black is no big loss.

  95. Patrick July 26th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Yeah Chip is right. I think there are a lot of us (myself included) that want Cashman to blow it up and stock up on prospects. But the fact of the matter is, the Yankees are still very much in the wild card hunt. Heck we are still “in” the hunt for the division. Sort of. I anticipate the Rays will run away with it in the next month.

  96. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Patrick July 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I don’t think this is a bad deal. Not paying Soriano much and Corey Black is not a guy I worry about losing.
    —————

    Correct. Would I like them to do more? Absolutely. If they can improve the team this year without mortgaging the future then by all means make the moves.

    I’m not worried about the $189 because, quite frankly, I don’t care about Hal’s money.

    If overpaying Wells, Soriano and Ichiro for one additional year means that they don’t re-sign Cano to a dumb contract then I think that alone makes those deals worth it.

  97. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Yankee Trader July 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Just attached the above article. The Yankees better hope they at least get a healthy and productive Jeter and Granderson back soon, because adding Soriano, IMO will not be enough to get them into the playoffs this year.

    ——————-

    Jeter is basically going to need to come back as last years version (anyone else kinda still sick over the fact that Nunez to 3B isn’t an option?) and Grandy will need to mash early. Hopefully he doesn’t strike out more than 80 times before the season comes to a close.

    If Grandy is eying FA, hopefully he comes out playing like an MVP contender again. It will definitely help the D no matter what, but we need offense.

  98. Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I don;t know if Corey Black is good or not

    but I do know that Soriano will be on the DL by the end of August and Corey Black will be in the NL bp in the 2017 ASG

  99. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Yanks are 3 games out a wid car spot with 2 months to go, so no way are they gonna become sellers. They won’t get much for Joba but I beleive Hughes has some value. They might be able to get a couple of decent prospects for him, once Jake Peavy is traded. Braves will be looking for a starter now that Hudson is gone.

  100. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    I think the greatest possible outcome would be to overtake the O’s and keep them behind us all year. I think that we’ll get the 2WC if we can do that. Texas hasn’t look nearly as good but they do get to play a couple crap teams a lot more through the end of the year and did just acquire Garza…

  101. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    but I do know that Soriano will be on the DL by the end of August and Corey Black will be in the NL bp in the 2017 ASG

    _____________________________________________________

    and you know this how exactly?

  102. NYYROC July 26th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Just hoping that Cashman doesn’t think adding Sori, plus getting Grandy, ARod and Jeter back is going to do it. Never can tell what they’ll get from guys coming off DL, or how long they’ll stay in lineup. Plus by the time ARod and Grandy get back it may too late.

  103. PacoDooley July 26th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Tidrow July 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am
    When people say Cashman should trade Hughes, Joba ect for a bat it makes me ask the question: when was last time Cashman made a trade where the Yankees gave up a good, young major league player like Hughes for an equally young, good MLB player that wasn’t a salary dump?
    —————————————-

    When they traded Montero for Pineda. They saw young arms as a major premium and traded a MLB ready catcher to land a proven arm.

    I still think that they end up winning that trade if Pineda can avoid another shoulder injury. (big if, but he has been pretty solid in his rehab and minor league starts thus far, while Montero has been awful).

  104. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    I’m amazed at how Corey Black went from a guy most Yankee fans couldn’t pick out of a lineup to a potential All Star 3 years from now simply by virtue of being traded.

    In terms of right handed relief the Yankees still have in their system:

    Dellin Betances
    Chase Whitley
    Tommy Kahnle
    Mark Montgomery
    Caleb Cotham
    Scottie Allen
    David Herndon

    and a host of others. It’s called dealing from a position of strength.

  105. Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Tackel – I can;t reveal my sources…let’s just call it a hunch

  106. MG July 26th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    I like this deal, it gives them a chance to win more games in 2013 and I think Soriano will outperform his Cubbies numbers in Yankee Stadium batting behind Cano.

    As for Black, the Yankees have over 100 pitchers in the system and add more every season-the chance of one reliever in High A ball making an impact on the big club at any point in time is probably way less than 5% and when they can pick up guys like Kelly it doesn’t seem like much, if anything, to give away.

  107. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 9:55 am
    Tackel – I can;t reveal my sources…let’s just call it a hunch

    __________________________________

    Yes we know all about your ‘hunches’. Usually the opposite happens, in which case, I’m rooting for you

  108. ManningRules July 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    I’m not for this.

    Is he the difference maker alone? Just doesn’t make sense, imo.

  109. Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    You might be right….but I also have a hunch you are not a very well liked guy

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    I still recall Steve Goldman’s assessment of Soriano during the 2003 World Series: “He’s swinging at pitches that were thrown in Pittsburgh the day before.”

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