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Wetteland: “You knew (Rivera) was going to be just fine”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 26, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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I was living a long way from New York, still doing a lot more farming than writing, when Mariano Rivera was serving as setup man for John Wetteland. Since I moved east and landed the Yankees beat, I’d heard that Rivera referred to Wetteland as his mentor, but I’d never heard it first hand until yesterday.

“That’s the way I feel with him,” Rivera said. “In ’95, I was a rookie and I always watched; ’96, I was the setup man and I always watched. Didn’t say much. But I always watched. I was attached to him like a leech. So I mean, I learned a lot from him, how to pitch, especially in playoffs. It was great for me to have him there in the bullpen. … It’s not that I was looking for the position, but I just wanted to learn, seeing the guys, see how — he’s older than me, been playing the game for so many years. You wanted to learn with those guys. And I did.”

Yesterday’s Rangers presentation of a cowboy hat and cowboy boots reminded me of the A’s giving Rivera a surfboard as a retirement gift. It’s a nice local touch, but it’s hard to imagine Rivera having much use for it. But yesterday’s pregame ceremony was more about who than what. Nolan Ryan and Joe Nathan were appropriate presenters, but it was all about Wetteland. That’s the moment Rivera will surely remember about his last trip to Texas.

“One thing that he says that I always remembered was, don’t get beat with your third-best pitch,” Rivera said. “Meaning when you’re go in there, you always bring your No. 1 pitch. You get beat with that one. In a tough situation, don’t get beat with that (other) one.”

After the pregame ceremony, Wetteland spoke for about 15 minutes about his relationship with Rivera and his memories of the game’s greatest closer. A few highlights…

John Wetteland, Joe Nathan, Mariano RiveraBack in 1996, did you expect this from Rivera?
“Who could say that, really, about anybody? If you look back in retrospect, it becomes clear why we’re standing here so many years later. I’ve never seen anybody pay such attention to detail when they’re young. He was even talking about it out there when we were kind of having a moment; he said that when he came in, there were already lots of ‘men’ in the bullpen and he felt like a little kid. I told him, ‘You never said a word. You just sat there. But you were always watching everybody.’ He said, ‘Yeah, I was taking in everything I could.’ When you look back from where he started and the process of how Mariano Rivera – not a scared kid, but a wide-eyed kid – becomes arguably and far-and-away the greatest closer that ever lived, you can kind of see it now. The thing that blows my mind is how the body holds up.”

First impressions?
“He was hittable. When I first saw him pitch, he was still a starter. It was fastball, slider, changeup. Pretty good command of everything, but there wasn’t a whole lot of separation with the slider, the fastball was a four-seamer mostly at the time. It had some explosiveness to it, but he really lacked that second pitch that was good enough to off-set that as a starter, or the combination of a second and third pitch. I saw him get hit around quite a bit. I remember when he came into the pen, it was in ‘96 I believe, we had a good core of guys there. He would sit there quiet, but he would know what was going on, what was being said. When we talked hitters, he was listening. Nothing escaped this guy. Nothing. I still remark on it to this day; when I bring it up to him, he says, ‘yeah, that’s absolutely what I was all about.’ He’s a very intelligent, wise man. He’s going to make some correct assessments along the way. I think that may have been the catalyst as to why he always seems to stay one step ahead of the game and the way hitters hit. If you’ve noticed, his pitching evolved too over the course of his career. He used different stuff at different time; little epochs of his career where he uses different ammunition.”

What made him no longer hittable?
“Cutter. Honestly, you can have a good Major League career if you have command of three pitches — even two if you have command of those – but you’re going to get hit a little bit. There needs to be a separator, and when the cutter arrived on the scene, that was a separator. Really, ever since, Major League hitters will tell you, ‘I swear I was on it, and next thing I know, I’m holding talcum powder.’”

Wish you’d been his teammate longer?
“Never crossed my mind. I think that’s more of a perspective than a want or a desire. I was with Mariano as long as I needed to be with Mariano, and he’ll tell you the same thing. And the Yankees needed Mariano then. When I became expendable, it was a perfect storm. It was a shrewd business move. That man was ready to step in. I could get a job somewhere. Everybody won. But the thing I find remarkable about his first year closing, you’re still talking about a young kid, and you’re talking about half a year or so of rubbing elbows with veteran guys and seeing how it’s done. We would play catch every day and work on things, but still it’s a half year and boom, he’s closing for the Yankees. And the guy that departed was the MVP. That’s got to be a really tough spot. I know that position is tough enough, and then you throw that on there. Once you see him come through things like that, those are the kinds of things that mark closers. What are the affectations? If there aren’t many, you’ve got a chance. To see him handle that kind of a situation in his career, the way he did, you knew he was going to be just fine.”

Feel honored to be a part of this?
“I had a fishing trip planned. I wasn’t going to miss today, period. That’s not going to happen. Obviously I love Mariano to death and there’s a lot of history there and a lot of great moments, a lot of next things shared. Quite honestly, as I’m thinking about that, it has more to do with him as a man and just talking to him. That’s kind of what we did out there. We talked a little bit about baseball, but it was mostly just about where we are as human beings, the way things are. And he’s talking kind of like an old man now. ‘Things used to be so different, John,’ you know, ‘And the kids used to be this way, and now…’ It’s so funny to hear this stuff. It’s just going to happen again. Shawn Kelley is going to grow up in the game and say the same things, but always when Mariano opens his mouth, it carries a little extra weight.”

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287 Responses to “Wetteland: “You knew (Rivera) was going to be just fine””

  1. Mike in Harrisburg July 26th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    What bothers me most about the potential 2014 lineups posted is that none of the holes are being filled by players in the system. It’s all free agents/trade acquisitions. I understand those are proven ways to field a team but it just strikes me as a pretty big institutional failure not to have a single guy showing he’s capable of taking on a full time role next year.

  2. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Exactly Shame. All this money wasted.

  3. MG July 26th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Memo to Thomas Neal:

    We get it, you are thankful that you are alive today.

    Why not change it up a little, today it could be thankful to not only be alive but also sitting on a major league bench again without having to throw a ball on 28 hops from right field to second base or strike out looking.

    Thank you,
    Yankees fans who hate repetitive Tweets

  4. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “One thing that he says that I always remembered was, don’t get beat with your third-best pitch,” Rivera said.
    —————-

    I guess Mo really took that “third-best pitch” thing to heart.

  5. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “The issue I have with your argument is that you’re not going to find a better DH option than Soriano for less than $5 mil.”

    if you’re talking about next year then maybe not….but what are they going to do with Vern next year? It seems like we’ve tried this route already……

    Also…..I’m not fretting losing Corey Black……all I said was it would suck if in 3 years the Yankees need bullpen help and he’s closing or setting up in Chicago…..because that’s possible. The Yankees are good at turning out bullpen arms but they have traded some good ones away that have done well for other teams……(Clippard)…..who is to say the bullpen will be as strong in 3 years as it is now……Mo will be gone, Robertson will be gone possibliy…..

  6. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    during his career how many WS would the NYY have won without MO

  7. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Exactly Shame. All this money wasted.

    ——————

    When you look at the dollars spent vs. how they could have been applied otherwise there is just no acceptable excuse.

    There’s a lot riding on Jeter and Grandy. I hope those guys come through but it won’t be on them if we don’t qualify.

  8. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Safe to say Wetteland envisions Shawn Kelley having a lengthy, thus prosperous career.

  9. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Mike – Ok, how’s this:

    CF – Gardner
    RF – Ichiro
    SS – Jeter
    1b – Teixeira
    2b – Zobrist
    DH – Soriano
    LF – Almonte
    C – JR Murphy
    3b – David Adams

    Bench: Cervelli, Nunez, Wells, Nix

    Rotation:

    CC, Pineda, Phelps, Nova, Nuno

    Pen:
    RHP – Robertson, Kelley, Whitley, Claiborne, Warren, Betances
    LHP – Rondon/Spence/Huff

  10. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Lets get Vernon Wells…..he can help us this year and can DH vs LHP next year….it’s only money……no wait wait…..lets get Soriano…..he can help this year and DH next year too…..it’s only money…….

  11. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “The issue I have with your argument is that you’re not going to find a better DH option than Soriano for less than $5 mil.”

    if you’re talking about next year then maybe not….but what are they going to do with Vern next year? It seems like we’ve tried this route already……
    —————–

    He goes to the role for which he was brought in – part time player to spell Ichiro or Gardner against LHP. It’s the Andruw Jones role.

  12. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Lets get Vernon Wells…..he can help us this year and can DH vs LHP next year….it’s only money……no wait wait…..lets get Soriano…..he can help this year and DH next year too…..it’s only money…….
    —————-

    It is only money and if the Yankees aren’t worrying about money then why should you? If taking on these obligations mean that they don’t focus on $189 isn’t that a good thing? If taking on these obligations mean not giving Cano an 8 year $200 million dollar contract, isn’t that a good thing?

  13. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Even though none of the openings were filled by prospects they still showed they can at least provide depth. You have to have guys like Nunez, Romine, Adams, Cervelli, Murphy and Almonte.

  14. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “He goes to the role for which he was brought in – part time player to spell Ichiro or Gardner against LHP. It’s the Andruw Jones role.”

    he and Vern gonna arm wrestle for the Andruw Jones role? My point is that if the reports are true then the Yankees will have spent over 20 million dollars on this role for the rest of this year and in 2014? And they are on a budget? puuullllease…..

  15. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Also…..I’m not fretting losing Corey Black……all I said was it would suck if in 3 years the Yankees need bullpen help and he’s closing or setting up in Chicago…..because that’s possible. The Yankees are good at turning out bullpen arms but they have traded some good ones away that have done well for other teams……(Clippard)…..who is to say the bullpen will be as strong in 3 years as it is now……Mo will be gone, Robertson will be gone possibliy…
    ———————

    As for this – like you said – the Yankees are good at turning out bullpen arms and because of that you can afford to trade one every so often that might turn out to be very good – like Clippard.

  16. MG July 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    blake, in logical terms you are 100% correct about the Yankees continuing to try to bolster the team with guys like Wells and Soriano.

    Professional sports, however, isn’t always managed in a logical way and are reactions to immediate needs.

    I’m sure if the Yankee knew that Teix and Granderson would miss almost the entire season as of today they would have made a different deal than picking up Wells for nothing in March-they might have just gone after Soriano then and either paid more of his salary or given up more in players.

    Hindsight will always be 20-20-if they somehow get on a run and get into the playoffs and then get hot all of this will be worth it, it not, then maybe they won’t do this again in the future.

    There is no question in my mind, though, that adding Soriano to the Yankees lineup as of tonight makes them a better offensive team and I am sure you will agree on that.

  17. Mike in Harrisburg July 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    @Chip – I have no idea how many wins that team gets. Probably less than one with Choo and McCann in it. Better than the current squad though, one suspects. My point was not that a homegrown team is going to be better than what you could put together otherwise but that not a single guy looks to have put himself in the position of having a regular spot to defend next year.

    With the likely need for regular spots at SS and 3rd I think Zobrist or Prado makes a lot of sense.

  18. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “He goes to the role for which he was brought in – part time player to spell Ichiro or Gardner against LHP. It’s the Andruw Jones role.”

    he and Vern gonna arm wrestle for the Andruw Jones role? My point is that if the reports are true then the Yankees will have spent over 20 million dollars on this role for the rest of this year and in 2014? And they are on a budget? puuullllease…..
    —————————-

    I meant Vernon Wells goes into the Andruw Jones role – Soriano is an everyday player.

  19. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    next up: Grady Sizemore.

  20. Mike in Harrisburg July 26th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    And to clarify I mean the lineup. I think Claiborne, Kelley and Warren have established themselves in the bullpen.

  21. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    one good thing ..it looks like Soriano is well liked by players on this team

  22. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Mike in Harrisburg July 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    @Chip – I have no idea how many wins that team gets. Probably less than one with Choo and McCann in it. Better than the current squad though, one suspects. My point was not that a homegrown team is going to be better than what you could put together otherwise but that not a single guy looks to have put himself in the position of having a regular spot to defend next year.

    With the likely need for regular spots at SS and 3rd I think Zobrist or Prado makes a lot of sense.

    ———————————
    to get those two there’s no way they stay under the $189 mil

  23. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    MG July 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    blake, in logical terms you are 100% correct about the Yankees continuing to try to bolster the team with guys like Wells and Soriano.

    Professional sports, however, isn’t always managed in a logical way and are reactions to immediate needs.

    I’m sure if the Yankee knew that Teix and Granderson would miss almost the entire season as of today they would have made a different deal than picking up Wells for nothing in March-they might have just gone after Soriano then and either paid more of his salary or given up more in players.

    Hindsight will always be 20-20-if they somehow get on a run and get into the playoffs and then get hot all of this will be worth it, it not, then maybe they won’t do this again in the future.

    There is no question in my mind, though, that adding Soriano to the Yankees lineup as of tonight makes them a better offensive team and I am sure you will agree on that.
    ———————-

    100% agree.

    Like I said, if the Yankees aren’t concerned about how this impacts next year’s budget then as fans it isn’t on us to worry about it for them.

    I just see a lot of fans going back and forth: $189 is bad because we need to spend more on players but we shouldn’t sign free agents because they’re blocking the kids on the farm and watching prospects come up and play is exciting….

    You can’t have both. You can’t go out and sign Choo and McCann and still play JR Murphy, Slade Heathcott and Tyler Austin – there aren’t enough bats to go around.

  24. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    to get those two there’s no way they stay under the $189 mil

    _____________

    Of course there is. If Arod is banned for life or if he is banned for 2014 and his salary does not count against the luxury tax. And if you don’t bring back Kuroda or Pettitte.

    You can easily accommodate Choo + McCann + Prado.

  25. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am
    Sure, and the same thing happened with Melancon/Berkman. But you’ve got to take the shot while you’ve got it and live with the results.

    ==========================================

    …or you can sit and do nothing and try nothing and cry about the injuries and quit and take your ball and go home….that’s a worthwhile angle..

    The Berkman trade was certainly worth it…he was VG while here and was basically the only one who hit in the post-season….yes, Melancon eventually turned out good….but wasn’t at that time and we’ve since replaced him with better options…..

    Take your shot while you’ve got it !

    (ask Washington how sitting Strassburg last year worked out for their ‘window’ !

  26. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “As for this – like you said – the Yankees are good at turning out bullpen arms and because of that you can afford to trade one every so often that might turn out to be very good – like Clippard.”

    how much of the Yankees bullpen success has been related to #42? He’s ridin off into the sunset……might not be as easy when you don’t have mr. automatic out there to save the day anymore.

  27. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I just see a lot of fans going back and forth: $189 is bad because we need to spend more on players but we shouldn’t sign free agents because they’re blocking the kids on the farm and watching prospects come up and play is exciting….

    ————-

    LoHud fallacy!!!

    No one has stood out as being an option besides Murphy. If you sign GOOD players no one will care who they’re blocking. Those are good problems to have. Not the problems we currently have where we have crappy players and crappy back ups for those crappy players.

  28. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am
    to get those two there’s no way they stay under the $189 mil

    _____________

    Of course there is. If Arod is banned for life or if he is banned for 2014 and his salary does not count against the luxury tax. And if you don’t bring back Kuroda or Pettitte.

    You can easily accommodate Choo + McCann + Prado.
    =============================================

    OOOOOOOO. Wouldn’t getting those ballplayers block Romine or JR or Heathcott or Adams or Almonte…

    Choo + McCann + Prado wold be blocking our prospects !!!

    Better sit and wait and hope, and wait and wait and wait…..

  29. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am
    to get those two there’s no way they stay under the $189 mil

    _____________

    Of course there is. If Arod is banned for life or if he is banned for 2014 and his salary does not count against the luxury tax. And if you don’t bring back Kuroda or Pettitte.

    You can easily accommodate Choo + McCann + Prado.

    ————————————–
    ok so no Kuroda..Pettitte..Hughes..who will the SPers be

  30. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Arod getting banned for life and having his money not count would be awesome.. but I don’t see any indication that will happen by the time they calculate the 2014 payroll. Isn’t that done on opening day of that season..? Or is it calculated at some point after?

  31. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “There is no question in my mind, though, that adding Soriano to the Yankees lineup as of tonight makes them a better offensive team and I am sure you will agree on that.”

    there is no question about that…..

  32. NYYROC July 26th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Once Grandy comes back, and Jeter and Alex on team, where and how often does Sori play? (assuming DJ & ARod will do a lot of DHing)

  33. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    This isn’t the same thing as the Melancon/Berkman deal…..that deal was worth it because they were the defending champs and actually good that year……not so much this year.

    I hope yall are right and Soriano leads us to victory……I’ll eat crow……I want to smoke it low and slow first though :)

  34. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am
    The money dropped on Wells, Ichiro and Youk would have covered most of Darvish’s posting fee… All of Cespedes’ contract… all of Beltran’s contract… Math is fun.

    ======================================

    Revisionist math is even more fun !

    Let’s make believe there never was a TEX contract….let’s make believe there never was a CC contract…..geez – what could we have done without that ‘spent’ money ?

    C’mon.

  35. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Revisionist math is even more fun !

    Let’s make believe there never was a TEX contract….let’s make believe there never was a CC contract…..geez – what could we have done without that ‘spent’ money ?

    C’mon.

    —————

    These dollars were all spent this season. There’s a big difference between going back 2-5 years ago and going back to money spent like 4 months ago.

  36. MTU July 26th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Blake-

    and use that Manning sauce.

    ;)

  37. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    I hope yall are right and Soriano leads us to victory……I’ll eat crow……I want to smoke it low and slow first though :)
    ———

    Whoa whoa whoa, is that a reference to the objective pipe!?!

  38. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:38 am
    Revisionist math is even more fun !

    Let’s make believe there never was a TEX contract….let’s make believe there never was a CC contract…..geez – what could we have done without that ‘spent’ money ?

    C’mon.

    —————

    These dollars were all spent this season. There’s a big difference between going back 2-5 years ago and going back to money spent like 4 months ago.
    ==============================

    Same revisionist 20-20 concept.

  39. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    MTU,

    yea I think it would probably mask the crow taste! Funny side note….the other day I had a cup of that and a cup of sweet tea sitting side by side and accidentally picked up the wrong cup and took a big drink…….talk about rough…..cleared my sinuses out well though.

  40. SoS July 26th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    I’m stoked about this trade for 2 reasons.
    1 the arod trade is now looks like its for a bag of balls. Got our HOMEGROWN player back for all the prospect huggers.

    2 We re finally going to see a homerun hit by our yanks. I forgot what that looked like.

    Later fellas!

  41. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Same revisionist 20-20 concept.

    ————

    Not at all when those other players were up for grabs before we spent money on Wells, Youk, Ichiro, and Soriano.

  42. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    I think it’s safe to say none of our prospects will make an impact in 2014 unless we’re talking about Murphy in a backup role. And they could use the extra year. And don’t forget Gardner, Ichiro, Soriano and Wells are done after 2014. So that will open up plenty of space for the OF prospects, even if you lock up Choo long term – which is critical.

  43. MTU July 26th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Blake-

    I bet it did.

    That would definitely get your attention.

  44. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Whooooa !

    I forgot – Soriano’s a homegrown guy – bonus, bonus, bonus !!!

    Now everybody’s happy !

  45. blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    “Whoa whoa whoa, is that a reference to the objective pipe!?!”

    I’ll smoke that too….I might need some pipe when Cash and Hal try to tell us they don’t need to spend money to field a title contending team this winter.

  46. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “As for this – like you said – the Yankees are good at turning out bullpen arms and because of that you can afford to trade one every so often that might turn out to be very good – like Clippard.”

    how much of the Yankees bullpen success has been related to #42? He’s ridin off into the sunset……might not be as easy when you don’t have mr. automatic out there to save the day anymore.
    ————————–
    Corey Black is a fungible arm. The Yankees have probably got 20 guys like him in the system and within the next two years they will draft another 5. He’s a 22 year old with a 4.5 ERA in Tampa and a 2:1 K/BB ratio.

    Consider something – four years ago the Yankees traded Arodys Vizciano who was much more highly rated than Corey Black. Has trading him hurt the Yankees in any way shape or form? No. Because he got hurt and hasn’t developed into anything. Have they missed Mark Melancon or Tyler Clippard?

    Saying that the Yankees can’t afford to trade a RHRP in A ball because Rivera’s retiring is like saying that they can’t afford to trade a short stop in their system because Jeter’s going to retire soon. It’s nuts. It’s basically saying that you can’t trade any minor leaguer ever because you might some day need them.

  47. SoS July 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Btw who the hell is black? I think that some of us would be ticked if we traded igawa for longoria.

  48. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Big difference between signing guys that were expected to help the team long term (Cc, AJ, Tex) and getting over the hill washed up below average guys that you knew weren’t going to provide much. Youk, Vern, Overbay, Soriano, Hafner.

  49. Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they quietly reached out to Vlad Guerrero’s camp

  50. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    I think Soriano is an upgrade but we’re talking about an upgrade over Travis Hafner. It’s all perspective.

  51. MTU July 26th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    With 20/20 hindsight I would have spent that 50 mil on Puig.

    :)

  52. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    This isn’t the same thing as the Melancon/Berkman deal…..that deal was worth it because they were the defending champs and actually good that year……not so much this year.
    ——————–

    But at the same time Melancon was much more advanced than Black is.

  53. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I think they should give Gardner a multiyear deal……..say 3-4 years…at the end of that contract, he prob loses a step and is no longer a good piece to have in the lineup……I think we need the speed he brings…. I just wish he would steal more…….

  54. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Shame’s right –

    The only person who loses in this trade is Pronk who is going to be a bench player until Granderson and Jeter come back – at which point he’s probably on the street.

  55. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Pronk has been terrible for three months………

  56. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    @FrankCaliendo “Alfonso Soriano Has never played 3rd base, right?”- Alex Rodriguez

  57. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:45 am
    I think Soriano is an upgrade but we’re talking about an upgrade over Travis Hafner. It’s all perspective.

    ___________________________________________

    And you wouldn’t sign up for that?

  58. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am
    Big difference between signing guys that were expected to help the team long term (Cc, AJ, Tex) and getting over the hill washed up below average guys that you knew weren’t going to provide much. Youk, Vern, Overbay, Soriano, Hafner.
    ====================================

    The latter were replacements for injuries compounded by the looming 189.

    With those 2 huge factors – they were the best alternatives available at that time.

    Overbay & Hafner carried the Yanks in the beginning ( a win in April still counts as 1 win)

    Youk got hurt; happens ( see TEX, Jeter, A-Rod, Granderson….etc…)

    Wells – reasonable deal – up & down season (upward right now)

    …or were there better options ???….using 20-20 hindsight is permissible.

    What were these better choices ?

  59. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Maybe they should release Pronk when Soriano returns……

  60. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    so who goes down? Mesa or Neal?

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock July 26th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    July 26, 2013 at 10:52 am
    Tackelberry needs a refresher course in irony.

    Hassey – I laughed :)

  62. NYYROC July 26th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Gotta be Neal. Mesa plays and has contributed.

  63. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    And you wouldn’t sign up for that?

    —————-

    Of course I would. Upgrades are upgrades, right?

    What I mean by ‘keeping it in perspective’ is that this isn’t a push for the playoffs move on it’s own.

    We need to get ALL the upgrades. #TeamGreedy

  64. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    GregD July 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Maybe they should release Pronk when Soriano returns……

    —————

    Hafner’s saving grace is we have a lot of other not-good players on our 40 man right now lol. He might last through the end of the season as a PH.

  65. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    NYYROC July 26th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Gotta be Neal. Mesa plays and has contributed.

    ——————

    Neal has contributed in the Twitter-verse.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock July 26th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    I prefer not to think about that 2010 ALCS, because I was so certain they were going to get smart after that.

  67. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    The bottom line is that this team has little chance of making the playoffs unless Jeter, Granderson, ARod, Cervelli come back and play extremely well. (And there seems to be little chance of all that happening) They aren’t going to be able to trade for a big bat because there are none available and the Yanks don’t really have the pieces to get one anyway. What this trade for Soriano does say is…..the Yanks are not sellers this year……….

  68. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Shame……and he’s lefthanded with power except that we have seen none lately…….

  69. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    “Corey Black is a fungible arm. ”

    probably…..but what if he isn’t? What it worth it? Guess we’ll find out.

  70. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “Consider something – four years ago the Yankees traded Arodys Vizciano who was much more highly rated than Corey Black. Has trading him hurt the Yankees in any way shape or form? No. Because he got hurt and hasn’t developed into anything. Have they missed Mark Melancon or Tyler Clippard?”

    again the Yankees were good then…..making trades like this is ok if you’re good. It makes a lot less sense if you’re not.

  71. RadioKev July 26th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Ichiro for DJ Mitchell

    Soriano for Corey Black

    Let’s see which one works out better.

  72. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I’ll tell you what I really want to sign up for……an offense that isn’t only better than Houston. Soriano isn’t going to make that much different…..he doesn’t even get on base 30% of the time and he’s not playing at Wrigley anymore. This is a marginal and probably negligible upgrade folks and it’s not going to be the difference in making the playoffs and not making the playoffs IMO……but maybe it’ll be cool to watch Soriano hit and pretend it’s 10 year’s ago.

  73. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    it was really great to see Romine hit the ball well yesterday……I still think he is a better offensive option than Stewart and I would love to see more of him…..in fact with three hits yesterday….shouldn’t Girardi play him again tonight because he has a hot hand……

  74. Nick in SF July 26th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    [Voiceover] Come to a place where dreams come true… and hearts are broken…

    Dude #1: I can’t quit you.

    Dude #2: Here is the thing though……you may lose either way…..likely will if significant additions aren’t made…..and ideally Id love to go for it this year and also be able to be good long term….but I’m not sure both of those things are possible.

    [Voiceover] Come to… Blakeback Mountain

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    (bonus cajun filet biscuit and sweet tea to blake for being a good sport)

  75. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    “it was really great to see Romine hit the ball well yesterday……I still think he is a better offensive option than Stewart and I would love to see more of him…..in fact with three hits yesterday….shouldn’t Girardi play him again tonight because he has a hot hand……”

    yes….very much yes….

  76. MG July 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Here is an interesting correlation between team OPS and runs scored (based on all MLB teams).

    For every 100 points on the OPS teams average about 0.6 runs per game.

    In April, the Yankees had a team OPS of the mid-700s

    In July, their team OPS is in the mid-600s

    That 0.6 runs per game difference makes them, with their pitching, a .500 team.

    If they can improve this back to the mid-700, they will undoubtedly get back those 0.6 runs per game and probably play to the same type of record as in April (.600 winning percentage).

    Wells and Overbay have each OPSed over .750 this month, they are not the issue right now.

    The best places to improve this are SS, 3B, and DH along with an outfield position.

    I like Almonte but he OPSed .530 in July, there is room for upgrade and Soriano will help.

    3B has been a disaster, certainly room there as well.

    Stewart hasn’t been hitting either behind the plate but there is no guarantee that Romine will continue to hit well-if he does, of course, he should and will play more.

    Nunez is playing better but his OPS in July is below .750, the combination of Jeter and Nunez should be better than that in August.

    Hafner has been awful, of course.

    They don’t need 3 or 4 guys OPSing .900 to get this back to where it needs to be, just upgrades-if they do, they should win 90 games and that would probably get them in as a wild card.

    Link to team batting stats: http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sorta.....38;split=7

  77. Howler July 26th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Funny thing is if Soriano hits a few HRs in his first week it’s going to be all, “woo hoo…welcome back Sori we missed you,” around here…
    Honestly I think the Yankees could win the WS and people here would be complaining about what the teams’ lineup next year, so much can happen during an off season, in the spring and during the year. You can never predict what a team is going to look like from the beginning of the season to the end, so there is no use crying over it.
    My heart is Black for our loss of the greatest reliever ever…or was he a step below Shawn Kelley, or never even make it to the bigs?

  78. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    better choices is giving your youth a chance at the major league level. rather than using washed up has beens or never weres. look at what zoilo did in limited playing time. imagine how much he couldve helped if he started the year.

    patching up a broken roster with more broken players is senseless. why not continue to give romine at bats rather than chris stewart??? stewart is a total waste. he doesnt help win games now, he’s never helped win games before, and he never will get any better. give the kid a shot, let him fail at the ML level and attempt to learn and grow from it.

  79. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    well done Nick ( I think) :)

  80. MG July 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    there was mention in one of the NY papers this morning that Long has been working with Romine on his hitting, trying to get him to go the other way more.

    It’s a small sample size but maybe that is one of the reasons for his recent improvement.

  81. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:05 am
    “Corey Black is a fungible arm. ”

    probably…..but what if he isn’t? What it worth it? Guess we’ll find out.

    __________________________________

    Even if he pans out, Yanks were dealing there from an area of strength. They’ll survive the loss of a High A releiver

  82. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    lot of hyperbole being thrown around about what Ive said about Black…..he’ll probably never amount to anything. The problem is that neither will the 2013 yankees…..

  83. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Blake….we know what Stewart is and we know we aren’t going to get any more……Romine may never be a great hitter but I think we can get more from him than we will ever get from Stewart…..and I think Romine is actually going to be a better receiver…..the one thing he doesn’t have is the experience and the rapport with the pitchers that Stewart has……..

  84. Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Warts and all, I can never hate Soriano
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2xYrmRojJw

  85. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Hopefully, we’ll see Romine get some more playing time. He could be part of the future, Stewart is not.

  86. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    here’s another alternative, fire Kevin Long and use $$ to buy a real hitting coach.

  87. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    I’m hoping Alf is just jacked to play for the Yankees again and lights it up for at least a few weeks to bridge us to Granderson’s return. That is totally plausible, IMO. We’ll see if it works out that way but it could create a huge boost over the next two weeks which is badly needed.

  88. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    hassey, if that youtube clip is the homer off schilling that shouldve won the 01 world series, im glad im choosing to not watch it. makes me too sad, still have nightmares that we won 01.

  89. Hassey July 26th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Yes, Brosius should have doubled up Bell at first to change history

    But in my mind we still won that WS

  90. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “Even if he pans out, Yanks were dealing there from an area of strength. They’ll survive the loss of a High A releiver”

    probably so…..how do you mean survive though?

  91. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Kevin Long is not the problem……..the talent is not there………..Vernon Wells hasn’t been a good hitter for several years and Overbay has never hit lefthanders……….not sure what is wrong with Hafner……

  92. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    “Blake….we know what Stewart is and we know we aren’t going to get any more……Romine may never be a great hitter but I think we can get more from him than we will ever get from Stewart…..”

    agree…..if there is a snowballs chance Romine can hit better than Stewie then why not…..they need offense any way they can get it.

  93. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Here were the Cubs 2 (as far as we know) choices:

    Corey Black
    RHP
    21
    5’11 – 175
    A ball

    ERA = 4.25
    Inn = 82
    Hits = 79
    K’s = 88
    WHIP = 1.50
    ——————————-

    Tommy Kahnle
    RHP
    23
    6’1 – 230
    AA ball

    ERA = 2.47
    Inn = 43
    hits = 23
    K’s = 50
    WHIP = 1.19

    Thoughts ???

  94. champ809 July 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Blake

    Soriano will make a difference and cano will be the one to attest to it when he realizes he’s getting more hittable pitches during games. It’s coming at just the right time as well as Cano is really hot right now and locked in. he should start to see pitches that he can really drive and damage.

    Also Sori is great in the clubhouse and Sori is a guy that has a history of hitting good pitchers not just the #4,5 guys.

    Black is a useful piece and thatCubs get a guy that may be on their team this time next year. Tops out a 98…but the Yanks are trading from a position of extrame strngth in that spot with many arms like him.

    Chip

    Caleb Cotham is a SP not a RP and i think they’ll keep developing him as a SP. he’ll most likely open next season in Scranton’s rotation.

  95. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “Kevin Long is not the problem……..the talent is not there………..Vernon Wells hasn’t been a good hitter for several years and Overbay has never hit lefthanders……….not sure what is wrong with Hafner”

    it’s really hard for me to understand how Kevin Long has anything to do with this offense…..just look at the lineup…..Harry Potter couldn’t make a spell to make most of these guys any good. It’s the roster….it’s not Girardi….and it’s not Long either.

  96. MG July 26th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Stewart is who he is, a good defensive catcher who throws out his share of runners and has a good rapport with the pitching staff.

    Offensively he’s very limited but does get the bat on the ball and can move runners

    There is certainly room for improvement offensively behind the plate, in order to help the team improve the team OPS by the 100 points mentioned above Romine would just have to give them 100 points more than Stewart

    Stewart’s OPS for the season is .610, that is higher than a bunch of catchers who have been mentioned on this blog as potential replacements like Suzuki and Ruiz and even higher than Avila on the Tigers.

    Is there room for improvement-absolutely, and Romine is, because of his recent success, to get a chance to win more playing time going forward.

  97. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Gardner
    Nunez
    Cano
    Soriano
    Overbay
    Lillibridge
    Ichiro
    Mesa
    Romine

  98. Wave Your Hat July 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    “agree…..if there is a snowballs chance Romine can hit better than Stewie then why not…..they need offense any way they can get it.”

    The Yanks current record is the result of pitching, defense and luck. The offense can’t come at the expense of the defense or the Yanks won’t gain enough ground.

    Stewie’s defense has actually been pretty decent. I’ve never been a fan of Stewie, but I think Stewie’s total package gives the Yanks more than Romine since the Yanks are playing for this year. I know Romine had a good day yesterday but he’s not an everyday catcher.

  99. Howler July 26th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I still think Kevin Long gets into players heads too much with all the adjustments he likes to make, look how he almost screwed up Jeter. The lineup isn’t particularly good, but even when it was, I don’t think he was a positive influence.

  100. 4 NYY July 26th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Put me down for Romine also. He’s hardly had an extended chance at all.
    What AB’s he’s had are few and far between. I’ve said I think he’s more than a decent catcher with some pop. Let him be the main catcher the rest of the way this year and maybe we’ll know something for sure.
    He hit .280 in the minors overall, and I really think he can do about the same up here. I hope it’s for us.

    These young guys need a real shot, just not up and down for a cup of coffee. Even Nunez needs to play in a longer stretch and see what he can really do.

    IMO, we’re going nowhere this year, so “LET THEM PLAY.” { Bad News Bears reference }

  101. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Neal should be the one to go to Scranton. Mesa may stink but he’s a better defensive player than Neal is.

    Once Granderson comes back – Mesa will go to Scranton.

    The interesting question will be when Jeter and Nix are back. Do they send down both Lillibridge and Adams and have Nix at 3b, Jeter at SS and Nunez as the backup infielder? Or do they keep either Adams or Lillibridge, and DFA Pronk?

  102. Howler July 26th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    please DFA Hafner just so I don’t have to hear that stupid nickname again.

  103. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Long has been the problem with the offense for a long time. when we had the talent, it was home run or bust, players like tex not going the opposite field, lack of situational hitting, getting runners in from 3rd less than 2 out. thats why our offense always craps out in the playoffs, because they’re home run or bust. im not talking about this year at all. in 2009, it was Alex, Damon and Jeter that carried us offensively, and we know Derek worked with Long for a period of time before quitting working with Long.If Derek doesnt wanna work with long, isnt that all that needs to be said?

  104. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:16 am
    here’s another alternative, fire Kevin Long and use $$ to buy a real hitting coach.
    ==============================

    Fire Long ?

    You’re pro-Romine who’s hit like a 12 YO since he’s been here (slogging in the .120 area)…..but just recently he’s taking extra batting practice and changing his wuuuusy approach….and after actually listening…..he got a few good (and certainly welcome) hits) !

    Thank you Kevin Long !!!

    (and Thank You to Romine for actually listening to the recommended adjustments)

    ….and you want to fire the one guy who’s helped your favorite player !!! ???

    Really ????

  105. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Hardballtalk poses an interesting question:

    Would the Yankees and Angels swap Alex for Pujols?

    Consider the following:

    1. Albert has approximately $220 mil left on the 8 years of his deal vs. $100 over four for Alex.

    2. While Pujols is the better player, Alex may end up costing his team nothing depending on his suspension and injuries.

    The question wasn’t so much about whether the Angels would do the deal. The author assumed they would jump at the chance to extricate themselves from the Phat Albert deal – the question is whether the Yankees would be willing to take on 8 years and $120 million of Pujols after watching him diminish these last couple of years, just to be rid of Alex.

  106. bruceb July 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    It would be nice to see Romine in the starting lineup again tonight but knowing our manager, Stewie will be in for all three games against the Rays. Not that I have anything against him; I just feel that now Romine is looking a lot more comfortable at the plate, we should play the hot hand.

  107. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    good rapport with pitching staff cant be quanitified, aside from the poor stat catchers era. he’s a good defensive catcher? aside from caught stealing, which usually has more to do with pitchers, how do you determine that…

    theres nothing chris stewart provides that any stop and shop clerk couldnt provide.

  108. Howler July 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    doubtful Chip, Yankees see the light at the end of the tunnel, and magic fairy Selig may help them out of that as well

  109. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    so Romine as a few good games (i have no idea what he’s done, so im assuming a few games at least), and you’re celebrating that small sample size and also celebrating Long for that minute sample size? let’s see some sustained success from romine before praising Long.

  110. MG July 26th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Howler July 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am
    doubtful Chip, Yankees see the light at the end of the tunnel, and magic fairy Selig may help them out of that as well
    ————-
    this is just my personal opinion but based on the way that Selig wants to get rid of Arod and the other cheaters to solidify his legacy (and try to wipe away the tarnish of the era) he may have an off the record agreement with the Yankees that if they make it tough for Arod to get back on the field he will reward them with an out of the contract.

    There is all conjecture but too much has been coming out of the Yankees that is both unusual and unprofessional regarding Arod (not that Arod isn’t at least equally at fault) for me to think anything else.

    We’ll see what happens down the road in the next couple of weeks…

  111. 4 NYY July 26th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Stewie is a robust .222 lifetime hitter. He HAS proven what he is .

  112. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    im not pro Romine. Im pro giving kids a chance rather than using scrubs like Nix, Stewart, Cruz, Gonzalez majority of playing time. the team might actually benefit long term by using kids rather than these journeyman scrubs

  113. Mike in Harrisburg July 26th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Agree with Howler. If the Yankees were to take on a fresh 8 year contract after getting so close to doing the impossible with Alex. Well…

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 26th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    “Funny thing is if Soriano hits a few HRs in his first week it’s going to be all, “woo hoo…welcome back Sori we missed you,” around here…
    Honestly I think the Yankees could win the WS and people here would be complaining about what the teams’ lineup next year, so much can happen during an off season, in the spring and during the year. You can never predict what a team is going to look like from the beginning of the season to the end, so there is no use crying over it.
    My heart is Black for our loss of the greatest reliever ever…or was he a step below Shawn Kelley, or never even make it to the bigs?”

    Yes.

    And here’s another potential fallacy, just because it’s never a proven. Monday morning Qbacking is the easiest thing in the world to pull out of your hat. Nobody here knows for a minute how Cespedes and other “always mentioned” would have performed had they come to the Bronx. And correct me if I’m getting this wrong, but isn’t Cespedes hitting 225 on the season? So is the theory that 225 is better than 224?

    I can never get too excited looking back because nobody knows a damn how any player would have done anywhere else.

    I’m happy to get Soriano back to the Bronx for many reasons. Nobody’s dislike of the situation will dampen my happiness, just as I’m sure nobody’s happiness about the situation will do anything to change those who feel disgruntled.

    Just another day in lohudville.

    Have a great day y’all. Or at least try.

    :)

  115. Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I dunno what incentive the Angels would have to swap Albert for Alex.

  116. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Why on GODS GREEN EARTH would Bud Selig and NYY need to do something ILLEGAL and conspire against a player who himself has done enough wrong to LEGALLY put him away and ban him for life?

    The reason why Melky, Montero and Cervelli are on the list is because ALEX LIKELY RECRUITING THEM. Plus Alex likely OBSTRUCTED the investigation.

    There is NO NEED to tempt law and conspire against a law/rule breaker of these proportions.

    Alex’s conspiracy story is BUNK

  117. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    going to hold back on expectations for Soriano…little gun shy here with guys coming in to save the day

  118. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Arod wants to play and the NYY are holding off on him playing…there’s a method to this madness

  119. Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Alex reported the injury that caused his removal. He complained of pain. He went to the Yankees.

    The injury was CONFIRMED by 2 doctors

    The injury was challenged by one doctor who NEVER physically examined Arod.

    Alex AGREED to his rehab timetable which was not based on Bud Selig, nor Brian Cashman. It was based on DOCTORS and an MRI which was all sparked by ALEX HIMSELF.

    WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED???

  120. bruceb July 26th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    I will be happy to see Soriano return…and even happier when a right-handed bat connects with one for the Yankees. Been a long time. But, like a lot of posters on here, my concern is that next year, we are going to have to find room for Wells, Ichiro and Soriano in our outfield/DH spot.

  121. 4 NYY July 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am
    Why on GODS GREEN EARTH would Bud Selig and NYY need to do something ILLEGAL and conspire against a player who himself has done enough wrong to LEGALLY put him away and ban him for life?

    The reason why Melky, Montero and Cervelli are on the list is because ALEX LIKELY RECRUITING THEM. Plus Alex likely OBSTRUCTED the investigation.

    There is NO NEED to tempt law and conspire against a law/rule breaker of these proportions.

    Alex’s conspiracy story is BUNK

    EXACTLY ! The sooner this crap with A-Roid is over the better !

  122. flatbush fan July 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    So Alex didn’t know he could file a grievance?

    I guess he throught the proper proceddure was to find another steroid tainted doctor to say he’s fit to play without actually examining Alex.

    Baseball genius right there….!

    pesonally i’d stick him at 3b until he fakes another injury to avoid further embarassment.

  123. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    who cares what Alex has done. the guy helped us win 2009. thus, he’s AGod. ill take Alexander Emmanuel over Brian Cashman all day.

  124. GregD July 26th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    bruceb——if Soriano hits……we will probably release Wells but of course, there’s the injury thing……..

  125. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    “Soriano will make a difference and cano will be the one to attest to it when he realizes he’s getting more hittable pitches during gam”

    why would anybody pitch to Cano to avoid Soriano? That makes no sense…..Soriano is way easier to get out than Cano.

  126. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Austin Romine … Kevin Long
    ========================

    After working with hitting coach Kevin Long on an adjustment

    Posted 2 hrs 36 mins ago via rotowire.com

    Austin Romine

    After working with hitting coach Kevin Long on an adjustment to his mechanics, Romine is now 6 for his last 15 with four doubles, the New York Post reports. [...]

    …but Long should be replaced …. riiiiiight.

  127. 4 NYY July 26th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Shame Spencer July 26th, 2013 at 11:41 am
    I dunno what incentive the Angels would have to swap Albert for Alex.

    I do ! NONE !

  128. blake July 26th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Soriano will help the offense only in the fact that he’ll hit one out every now and then…..he doesn’t get on base really at all…..Hafner still had a better OBP than Soriano does

  129. G. Love July 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    blake,

    You’re a little off the rails today. Hoarding low level prospects under the auspice that they all might become all stars is about the worst way to run a team.

    Most of these guys come up and fail. So you should lose just in case a few of them come up and succeed?

    How does that even make sense to you?

    We didn’t give up Adams or Romine or Zoilo, guys who actually can fill a role (somewhat) at this level.

    We gave up a middle relief prospect. Comparing this guy to Clippard is nice and all except Clippard had already made the majors, failed and had to reinvent himself. Black hasn’t even sniffed the big leagues.

    And if he does turn into a middle reliever (because this what if he’s the Cubs closer nonsense is nonsense), I would trade a middle reliever for a bat that can DH and play the OF and hit with power every day. A bat, that we have next year as well.

    Soriano’s not here to save the day. But he’s better than the dreck we’ve been watching of late.

    I don’t see where the Yankees have said, “We got Soriano, print your playoff tickets” to the fans.

    They will make some more moves and incrementally add offense that should get them in the playoffs.

    After seeing how this team scuffles and fights it’s way to a winning record with an offense that is barely limping, I’m excited to see what they do when the games count double. They’ve been put through the ringer this season and our pitchers and pen have stood up and guys who have no business being our game winning RBI men find a way.

    I wish some of you guys would stop acting like we have a losing record and are 10gb.

    You’re missing what might turn out to be a very special season. We’re not going to have a juggernaut offense. But no team in the league does.

    We’re adding Soriano, Granderson and hopefully Jeter to our lineup options. That’s an improvement.

    And if this team makes the playoffs with no Arod or Tex and goes deeper than than last year’s team, it’d be pretty cool.

  130. jacksquat July 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    This just in:

    Reports that Arod complained of sickness this morning. Yankee doctors have determined that he is pregnant and will be unable to play for at least 12 months. The Yankees have denied Arod’s request for a second opinion. The father is rumored to be Madonna.

  131. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Jesus Bustero July 26th, 2013 at 11:47 am
    Alex reported the injury that caused his removal. He complained of pain. He went to the Yankees.

    The injury was CONFIRMED by 2 doctors

    The injury was challenged by one doctor who NEVER physically examined Arod.

    Alex AGREED to his rehab timetable which was not based on Bud Selig, nor Brian Cashman. It was based on DOCTORS and an MRI which was all sparked by ALEX HIMSELF.

    WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED???
    =============================

    I just wanted to copy this … just in case someone skipped it or needed a second reading to understand some basics here…

    THX and props to Jesus Bustero

  132. eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    6 for 15?? get Romine’s hall of fame plaque and YS monument ready!!!

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    HOW STUPID and CARELESS would they have to be to tempt law, conspire against him moments before he is put away without the Yankees so much as lifting a finger to make it happen? HOW IDIOTIC would the Yankees have to be to give this desperate man even the smallest of openings and grounds for a grievance. The AMATEUR here should be obvious. The MORON faked an injury and violated the CBA by seeking a 2nd opinion for an injury HE originally reported TWICE from a doctor WHO NEVER EXAMINED HIM who has been CONNECTED TO STEROIDS who was NEVER ON THE LIST OF APPROVED DOCTORS in the first place according to the CBA. This same DUMBASS will receive a penalty from the Yankees for this violation, in terms of a suspension or fine.

    I know some of you like to slam the Yankees for doing stupid things but

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    If we get our guys back, can we make up 2 games against some of these just-as-flawed teams? Maybe I should become a Belieber again

    Can you imagine if we storm back and win the WS? It would be the greatest story in sports history. Cash would have a left hand full of Havanas and a right hand full of escorts

  139. Warning Track Power July 26th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

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  140. UpState July 26th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    eb03 July 26th, 2013 at 11:54 am
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    This is more about your ‘idea/wish’ to fire Kevin Long.

  141. Tackelberry July 26th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

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  142. 4 NYY July 26th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Can you imagine if we storm back and win the WS? It would be the greatest story in sports history. Cash would have a left hand full of Havanas and a right hand full of escorts

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    How many escorts can you hold in one hand ?

  143. blake July 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    “You’re a little off the rails today. Hoarding low level prospects under the auspice that they all might become all stars is about the worst way to run a team.”

    That’s not what I said though…..although everyone seems to think that I’m worked up over losing Corey Black.

    All I said was that it’d suck if in 3 years Black is closing for the Cubs (or pitching for them) and we need bullpen help……that’s not a prophecy or anything because it’s unlikely to happen.

    My take on this trade is that while it’s pretty low risk for the Yankees…..it’s also pretty meaningless also unless they do a lot more.

  144. comnsnse July 26th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Hilarious how some posters are having second thoughts about “playing the kids” while fantasizing about making the playoffs this year.

    Nothing that remotely addresses long term needs and a real plan ever seems to gain traction with some fans.

    Now we “need” to obtain Prado,McCann and Choo, has anyone calculated the years and dollars needed to cover these acquisitions?

    Does anyone care what message this sends to any legitimate prospects in the system?

    But perhaps the most absurd thing is a proposed starting staff for 2014.

    CC,Pineda,Nova,Phelps,Nuno, does this even require a comment based on their curent body of work?

    This Soriano deal is a bone to the fans, the Cubs accept that they will not be contenders immediately but the Yanks will desperately try to back fill with more age and dollars.

    Next year, Wells, Ichiro, Soriano,probably no Arod, a questionable Jeter, maybe Granderson, ditto Cano, but nothing could be more absurd than that proposed starting staff!

  145. Chip July 26th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    blake July 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    All I said was that it’d suck if in 3 years Black is closing for the Cubs (or pitching for them) and we need bullpen help……that’s not a prophecy or anything because it’s unlikely to happen.

    ————————–

    Yeah but the point is that you can worry about that every time a prospect is traded.

    It would have sucked for the Yankees if Roberto Kelly went on to be a superstar and Paul O’Neill stayed what he was in Cincy.

    The Knoblauch trade would have sucked for the Yankees if it turned out that Milton and Guzman were better than Andy and Jeter.

    Sometimes it does suck, like when Mike Lowell turns out to be far better than Drew Henson. But if you’re going to freak out about that possibility you’re just going to hoard your prospects.

  146. comnsnse July 26th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Blake, excellent take on the Soriano to the rescue deal.

    There is another “unintended consequence” to this charade.

    How and will this obscure an in depth review of Cashman and co., with particular emphasis on the minor league gurus?

    Does anyone really feel this is not needed? and overdue?

    Steinbrenners and the FO are you listening?

  147. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

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    The injury was CONFIRMED by 2 doctors

    The injury was challenged by one doctor who NEVER physically examined Arod.

    Alex AGREED to his rehab timetable which was not based on Bud Selig, nor Brian Cashman. It was based on DOCTORS and an MRI which was all sparked by ALEX HIMSELF.

    WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED???

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    thanks for clearing that all up

  148. comnsnse July 26th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Chip, your comments would have more merit if we were in fact getting a better return than age,dollars and faint hope.

    Each deal must be judged on it’s merit of course, but are their not serious questions going forward one of which is investigating why our development, drafting etc. is not producing?

    These kinds of deals tend to mask bigger problems imo because they imply the organization will always pull a rabbit out of the hat when only money is involved.

  149. joeman July 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Soriano’s NL (8 years) and AL (7 years) are just about the same…more HR’s,RBI’s & walks are more in the NL…Slug and OBP almost the exact same

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    And here’s another potential fallacy, just because it’s never a proven. Monday morning Qbacking is the easiest thing in the world to pull out of your hat. Nobody here knows for a minute how Cespedes and other “always mentioned” would have performed had they come to the Bronx. And correct me if I’m getting this wrong, but isn’t Cespedes hitting 225 on the season? So is the theory that 225 is better than 224?

    I can never get too excited looking back because nobody knows a damn how any player would have done anywhere else.

    I’m happy to get Soriano back to the Bronx for many reasons. Nobody’s dislike of the situation will dampen my happiness, just as I’m sure nobody’s happiness about the situation will do anything to change those who feel disgruntled.

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    First things first: I have no opinion on losing Corey Black. I know his numbers and that he can bring it, and that you can’t really teach velocity, and that his advance is that he doesn’t, ATM, have a great complementary arsenal, but I have never seen him throw a single pitch, so I have no strong sense of what has been lost.

    As for Soriano: Soriano is old. Is he going to launch them to the World Series? I sincerely doubt it. Would I be happy if he helped Mariano Rivera see even one more postseason appearance? Yes I would, but by himself, he’ll not achieve that; we need Jeter to be Jeter, Granderson to come back and give us something, dare I hope, Alex gets to live to play another game in pinstripes and is even 70 percent of himself?? If all of that mitigated in our favor, we might be able to deliver The Presence to his rightful place: a high-stakes ninth inning appearance. What I DON’T want to see is Soriano completely bump Almonte from the lineup: that would truly suck, but it would also be so predictable, wouldn’t it.

    Now, as to the above post:

    I am not sure at all how it relates to what trisha enthusastically “yes’d”…. the poster said people would be cheering if Soriano actually helped the cause… that seems obvious, doesn’t it?

    …that we could win the World Series and people would still be concerned with the following season… that too seems obvious enough to me: people on a baseball blog of the team they root for discuss the upcoming season and project the roster, where the team needs help, etc. If we were to win the WS, like any other year, most people in this space, after reflecting and celebrating such a conclusion to a season, would begin discussing/projecting the upcoming baseball year. ???

    …that Corey Black wasn’t going to be as good as Kelley, I guess… at least, I’m assuming that unsuccessful attempt at sarcasm/ridicule for some imaginary recipient/fellow poster who thought Black was going to be an uber reliever was in play, and trisha – who, I’m pretty sure has never seen Black, was high-fiving the observation/comparison? (more likely, just high-fiving the idea that something snarky was being said at someone else’s – or the symbol for the someone else – expense: someone (anyone) who second-guesses anything the Yankee front office does. (I’m going with No. 2).

    Finally,

    The “another fallacy” (for I’m not sure the original poster had established a first fallacy, but well) I can’t really find, either….

    But somehow, the ultimate comparison arrived at here is that Soriano, who is 37, might be a better “get” when all is said and done, than Yoenis Cespedes – who, at age 27, has had his true talented “outed” by a current .225 BA (one of here “Aha!” moments, I guess) and that anyone who wanted to sign him now can see the bald reality of his BA/worth.

    The “always mentioned”, I’m guessing, is a reference to 22-year old Yasiel Puig??? Who is hitting, um, .379. (she can’t mean Jesus Montero, since he wouldn’t qualify as a player who “had they come to the Bronx…” since he played here and went from the Bronx).

    So, um, is the point that Soriano, at 37, is a better get than Cespedes and Puig?

    That “no one can predict” how he will do here, because “no one could predict” what Cespedes/Puig, might do here??

    In which case, I have to ask: does it make a difference to trisha that Cespedes is a decade younger than Soriano?

    That Puig, at 22, could be technically Soriano’s son?

    Again, having trouble understanding the link of trisha’s post to the post she responded to, and the logic within her own post.

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