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Postgame notes: “When I used to play, we don’t lose games like this”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Last time Alfonso Soriano was a lineup regular in the Bronx, he was a leadoff hitter with 38 home runs. He had three teammates who finished with at least 100 RBI, the bench was full of guys with slugging percentages well over .400, and the Yankees had the second-best OPS and third-most runs in the American League.

“I remember the Yankees when I used to play, we don’t lose games like this, 1-0,” Soriano said. “I remember we lost one or two games like that with two hits, 1-0, but that’s part of the game. The game changes a lot. Nothing we can do about this game tomorrow, just think about tomorrow and try to win tomorrow.”

This Yankees team has been shutout nine times, three more than all of last year and tied for their most in a season since 1992. This was their fourth two-hit game of the year. They haven’t homered in nine games, their longest such drought since 1984, and if they don’t hit a home run tomorrow, they’ll match their longest homerless streak since 1976.

With 58 games to play, the Yankees are four games over .500 and eight games behind the first-place Rays. If this thing is going to turn around — if this team is going to start winning like Yankees teams of the recent past — it’s going to have to happen soon.

“I think that’s fair to say,” Joe Girardi said. “We have to win games, there’s no doubt about it. If we’re going to get back in this race, we’re going to have to win games, and we’re going to have to start tomorrow.”

Derek Jeter is expected back tomorrow. Alex Rodriguez and Curtis Granderson are expected back in early August. Is that enough offense — coming back with enough games left — to make a difference and make this team win again? The new guy seems to think so, or maybe he’s just remembering teams that are long gone.

“I know the offense is not good right now,” Soriano said. “But as soon as we put one inning together, I think everything will be fine.”

Ivan Nova• The Yankees have been shut out twice in the past week, and both were Ivan Nova starts that deserved better. He’s allowed a total of four runs through 14 innings in those two starts, and he’s 0-2 in them. “Sometimes when you pitch good, it’s hard to be charged with a loss,” Nova said. “It doesn’t feel great, but at the end, I’m still happy with the way I pitched.”

• This is only the second time in Nova’s career that he’s lost back-to-back decisions as a starter. He also lost three in a row last year. It’s also the first time in his career that he’s lasted at least seven innings in four straight starts.

• With Nova, there always seems to be a focus on his curveball — probably because he can be a terrific pitch — but that’s not what Nova’s focused on lately. “It’s not really my curveball,” he said. “It’s all my pitches. I’ve been throwing strikes. I’ve been aggressive with everything. I know a lot of people give the credit to my curveball, but it’s all my pitches have been great.”

• Chris Stewart on Nova’s curveball: “It’s the same curveball, but he’s mixing in the other pitches.”

• Obviously the high point for Nova came in the fourth inning when the first two batters reached base and Nova responded with three straight strikeouts against Ben Zobrist, Matt Joyce and Kelly Johnson. “When he needed big outs, for the most part he got them today,” Girardi said. “He got strikeouts when he needed them.”

• Of course, getting big outs doesn’t mean much when the offense can’t do its part. This was only the Yankees third 1-0 loss at the current Yankee Stadium since it opened. They had one such loss in 2012 and one in 2011.

Chris Archer, Alfonso Soriano• The Yankees had only three base runners today: Ichiro Suzuki reached on an error, Lyle Overbay singled and Brett Gardner doubled. Those came in the fourth, fifth and sixth game. They went down in order their first three innings and their last three innings.

• To his obvious credit, Chris Archer has been terrific this season. This was his second complete game shutout of the month. “He threw me a lot of good pitches to hit, and I just missed them,” Stewart said. “He’s got a decent fastball, and it’s got some good angle on it when he drives it downhill. It gets on you a little bit sometimes too. He obviously mixes in the slider well to get us off the fastball, and that’s the name of the game is mixing enough to miss bats, and he did a good job of that today.”

• Both Stewart and Nova actually seemed happy with the pitch that Johnson hit to drive in the one Rays run. “It’s kind of the way our breaks are going,” Stewart said.

• Hitless for a second straight game since the trade, Soriano admitted that he feels pressure, but also said he feels comfortable handling that pressure and has always felt it playing here. “I think any time you’re part of a trade, you kind of want to make a big splash,” Girardi said. “But this is not a new place for him, which I think helps him, and fans are really warm to him.”

• Final word goes to Girardi: “I said from Day 1, Day 1 when we left spring training, we were going to have to win close games. We weren’t going to slug people. I knew that. So, no, it’s not a total shock.”

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169 Responses to “Postgame notes: “When I used to play, we don’t lose games like this””

  1. joeman July 27th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    the Bros are going to run Cash out of town…which might be a good thing for him

  2. joeman July 27th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    and another thing they play jeter at SS he’s going to hit the DL again

  3. blake July 27th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    “I remember the Yankees when I used to play, we don’t lose games like this, 1-0,” Soriano said. “I remember we lost one or two games like that with two hits, 1-0, but that’s part of the game. The game changes a lot. Nothing we can do about this game tomorrow, just think about tomorrow and try to win tomorrow.”

    10 years changes a lot Sori….these aren’t your old Yankees

  4. austinmac July 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    I hope Jeter’s career doesn’t end like Mantle’s on a terrible team. It has to be difficult.

  5. austinmac July 27th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Blake, it is however, the old Soriano.

  6. blake July 27th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    austinmac says:
    July 27, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    Blake, it is however, the old Soriano.

    Well it’s more “old Soriano” than “the old Soriano”

  7. Yogi Mantle July 27th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    But Cashman said pitching is the keys to the kingdom.

    While it is important to have good pitching, the best teams have balance. That is something Cashman seems to have forgotten. A potent offense that works starting pitching and doesn’t allow them to go deep in games goes a long way toward winning games.

    This offense was questionable last year, and they lost some good bats. What exactly did Cashman think was going to happen this year? Magic? PED storm through the clubhouse making mediocre hitting more explosive? Seriously. How did he put this team together and think they were going to score enough runs?

  8. blake July 27th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    @DannyKnoblerCBS: Great news for a Yankee team that can’t hit: 2-game series in LA coming up, they get Greinke and Kershaw.

    Good night and good luck

  9. blake July 27th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    @DannyKnoblerCBS: Yankees shut out on 2 hits today. Next three games: Matt Moore, Zack Greinke, Clayton Kershaw.

  10. JimK July 27th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Cano will also get the opportunity to see how well LA fits for next year.

  11. JimK July 27th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Also would not be surprised to see Hughes there next year.

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Yogi, yes, the offense was a phantom last year.

    It was going to be exposed against good pitching, and that is exactly what chanced.

  13. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Blake-

    They’ll be lucky to win 1 out of 3.

  14. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Who is, Soriano? – just, kidding. Hope everybody, is fine. As Sylvia Plath is my witness, the rest of ‘em can pick set up after their own yard. ” Go, Sylvia! “.

  15. blake July 27th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    MTU says:
    July 27, 2013 at 6:48 pm
    Blake-

    They’ll be lucky to win 1 out of 3.

    I think it’s just a 2 game series…..it’ll be a miracle if they win 1

  16. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Blake-

    I meant including Moore.

  17. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    MTU, we’ve all been thinking about you, and your little dog too, Dorothy :)

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock July 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    jmills,

    We could use Sylvia in the cleanup spot. :)

  19. mick July 27th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    What exactly did Cashman think was going to happen this year?
    =======================================
    This all goes back to the Montero trade as a symbol for this downed offense.
    Did anyone expect injuries to Tex, Granderson, Jeter, Arod, Nunez and Cervelli who was emerging?
    The loss of Swisher and Martin is not the reason for this decline, the above ones are.
    Hafner replacing Ibanez has been a bust but Overbay has done yeoman work.

  20. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Mills-

    I wish was the Wizard of Oz so I could have saved his eye.

  21. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Alfred, we could all use Sylvia in the cleanup spot; nice to see you, mon ami.

  22. blake July 27th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    MTU says:
    July 27, 2013 at 6:51 pm
    Blake-

    I meant including Moore.

    Oh….yes….be lucky to win a game….actually they’ll be lucky to score 3 runs total the next three games

  23. UnKnown July 27th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Is it alright to be concerned about the offense yet or would that be considered “premature panic”…

  24. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Blake-

    Can’t predict baseball.

    Maybe they have off games, or maybe Jeter sparks the O to life.

    Who frickin’ knows.

    Those are 3 really tough guys if they’re on. That is for sure.

  25. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    I’m not given to, premature panic, but,… that’s sometimes the way it goes! :)

  26. Hans Davenport July 27th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Audra Mae and The Forest Rangers did a version I like Hans.

    Thanks Greg I’ll check it out.

  27. blake July 27th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    MTU,

    I’m hoping for some reverse jinx action…..but truth is there is a decent chance the Yanks are 10 or more games out this time next week. They lose tomorrow and they are 9…..

  28. longtimefan July 27th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Yogi Mantle July 27th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
    But Cashman said pitching is the keys to the kingdom.

    While it is important to have good pitching, the best teams have balance. That is something Cashman seems to have forgotten. A potent offense that works starting pitching and doesn’t allow them to go deep in games goes a long way toward winning games.

    This offense was questionable last year, and they lost some good bats. What exactly did Cashman think was going to happen this year? Magic? PED storm through the clubhouse making mediocre hitting more explosive? Seriously. How did he put this team together and think they were going to score enough runs?

    Well said

  29. comnsnse July 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Repeat after me, the only baseball decisions being made by the mysterious committee are budgetary.

    Cashman is the culprit and those concerned with his removal from well paid assistant to unemployment have not been paying attention.

    If the same people, Newman, Oppenheimer, Eppler et all are all still in place and they have been ineffective Cashman should have fired a few as examples given the lack of prospect development in a decade.

    That he did not is on him and if he could not should have had the courage of his convictions and resigned.

    That he did none of those things is on his resume’ as a well paid eunuch, no matter his plaintive wailing to the media or the apologists in the media or on blogs.

    Nothing more, nothing less!

  30. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    I think, maybe, a certain population has a problem with, Sylvia Plath. Idiots!

    And, what does Naomi Watts have to say about it ? :)

  31. Tar July 27th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Cashman’s comments about Sori really make me wonder if he doesn’t have one foot out the door.

    Why else would he want everybody to know what he is, and what he isn’t responsible for?

  32. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Blake

    The Yankees could be 11 games out and 1 game over .500 by the trading deadline.

    Too many question marks and holes in the lineup to make a serious run and little more that Cash can do to trade for a difference maker.

  33. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Tar-

    He threatened to leave once before if he was not given more autonomy.

    I believe that request was granted for a time.

    Currently it sounds like it has been rescinded again.

  34. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    no analysis is going to help at this point.

    this yankee failure is clearly due to management performance issues.

    just like an over the hill player gets released, it’s time for yankee management heads to roll.

    demand excellence. demand change.

  35. tucker July 27th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    If the Yanks lose the next three in a row, do they seriously think about selling? It needs to at least be an option when Cashman takes out his marker to jot down options on the white board for the committee to review.

    Wonder if Hal knows yet that they have lost two in a row to the Rays?

  36. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Hi, Tar, and, YT, haven’t seen u guys in a while. Yt, Tar, my Jays seem effed.

  37. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Randy-

    A fish rots from the head down.

    Does that mean we get a new owner 1st ?

  38. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Randy
    Welcome back.

  39. disco stu July 27th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    What is scary about this year is that I would not put it past management to write off this seaon (which may end up ending with this finishing UNDER .500) and simply say that with all the lengthly injuries there was no way to truly gauge if this year was a sign of things to come or an abberation and because of this, they plan to go into next year with basically the same team and banking on a better showing because they will be healhier.

    I really hope that is not what Hal and Cashman are going to sell us once this train wreck of a season merifully ends … this team is way to old at its core, devoid of any blue chip talent in the minors ready to be called up, and appers to have no real plan on how to improve moving forward (other than stuffing their own wallets by reducing payroll starting next year).

  40. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    I don’t see the Yankees as sellers.

    It’s just not their M.O. whether it makes sense or not.

    They won’t wave the white flag publicly even if it is obvious.

    Selling is waving the white flag.

  41. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Randy, where the heck have u been!!!!!!?

    I like Craig Nettles over, …..Bill Spaceman!

  42. Tar July 27th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Jmills we are effed right along with you.

    But since misery loves company you are always welcome to join in our therapy sessions. :D

  43. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Jmills

    I’d still trade the current Yankees offense for your Jays offense.

  44. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Yt, Tar, I will never admit, therapy.

    Just my way :)

  45. tucker July 27th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    MTU, you are probably right. But this team is not fooling the fans. Ownership knows this. It has been spelled out in lower ticket sales and slumping ratings.

  46. NYY fan in NH July 27th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    tough times for Yankee fans. The front office has decided that greed is more important than winning. The product on the field is right along the lines of the mid to late 80′s teams. Pretty sad! This season is pretty much lost. We have to accept that as fans!

  47. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    MTU

    I’m not sure the Yankees could be sellers even if they wanted too. What would an opposing GM want from the Yankees if they are seeking a young, proven, cost controlled player-a difference maker in a pennant chase? Nova.

    Young is the key word!

  48. Pat M. July 27th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Tin Cup was so inspired by Phil’s back to back 3 woods last weekend he’s been at the range hitting 300 yarders with his 3 wood…..

  49. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    YT-

    Kuroda has huge value to a team in contention in need of a star pitcher.

    For example, the Brave just lost Hudson. You don’t think they’d love to have Kuroda as a replacement ?

    The D-backs are being swallowed whole by the Dodgers.

    You don’t think they’d love to add another Ace to their staff ?

    etc.

    ;)

  50. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    “A fish rots from the head down.

    Does that mean we get a new owner 1st ?”

    peter angelos is the same guy he was before, yet angelos got a new management team in there and the orioles are much improved after two years of the new management.

    hal can do the same thing.

    hire someone competent to do the job and get the hell out of the way.

  51. joeman July 27th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    How does it feel
    How does it feel
    To be without a home
    Like a complete unknown
    Like a rolling stone ?

  52. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Why else would he want everybody to know what he is, and what he isn’t responsible for?
    ===================
    It seems like Cash wants to be a seller which is what many here call for.
    If he’s being honest and didn’t want Soriano, he’s on your side.
    He always did cry for autonomy and might suffer from a slight Napoleonic Complex but he prolly feels like a eunuch at this point.
    Hal is on a mission and Levine is the GM, that might be bothering him a little.

  53. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Tucker, I think a whole lot of people make fun of, Rush, but, the band, they don’t deserverve it!

  54. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Joe, rock on!!!!!

  55. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    hire someone competent to do the job and get the hell out of the way.
    ============
    as long as Cash goes along with Hal’s plan, he is Hal’s man.

  56. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Randy-

    I don’t think Hal is innocent in all of this.

    And I don’t think the people who advise him really want to be challenged by someone who might be competent and given true autonomy.

    I think they’d be inclined to hire someone from within like Eppler, or some other yes man they could find.

    I’m for a clean sweep. New owner on down. I hope he takes his 4 bil and buys a new hotel chain. He lacks the passion for running a baseball Team. He’s much better at things like Hotels.

    I don’t think you can compare young Stein with a crafty and crusty old buzzard like Angelos.

    Young Stein is wet behind the ears.

  57. joeman July 27th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    There’s a feeling I get when I look to the west,
    And my spirit is crying for leaving.
    In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
    And the voices of those who stand looking.

    Ooh, it makes me wonder,
    Ooh, it really makes me wonder.

    And it’s whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
    Then the piper will lead us to reason.
    And a new day will dawn for those who stand long,
    And the forests will echo with laughter.

  58. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    pat m -

    i totally missed the british open. that’s how you know i’ve been busy.

  59. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Somebody, just tried to buy my Subaru, WRX – poor ba$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$tard, didn’t have the cash, the temps, whatever u want to call it.

  60. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    MTU

    I was referring to young and cost controlled and major league proven.

    If they are willing to trade Kuroda, then they should be able to get a good return.

    Cashman btw, is under contract next year for 3M. Girardi is a FA.

  61. Hans Davenport July 27th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    and another thing they play jeter at SS he’s going to hit the DL again

    I know. I don’t get it?

  62. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Question: Is the constant bickering here therapeutic or an attempt to get a groundswell going to get Cash fired and Hal to sell the team?

    Feel free to not answer…

  63. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    YT-

    If that is what you are restricting it to I don’t see anything other than a reliever or a SP.

  64. Hans Davenport July 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    crafty and crusty old buzzard like Angelos.

    Angelos no longer tries to run the team. Real baseball people do. That’s why they have begun to succeed.

  65. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Mick, I don’t, bicker, I’m just rather, insipid :)

  66. joeman July 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    MTU

    I was referring to young and cost controlled and major league proven.

    If they are willing to trade Kuroda, then they should be able to get a good return.

    Cashman btw, is under contract next year for 3M. Girardi is a FA.

    ——————————-
    would Cash walk and leave 3 mil on the table for a year..then come back in 15 with another team

  67. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Potential Hal Plan?

    Trim payroll , sell the team?

    Is this good business practice?

    Sincerely,

    mick

  68. joeman July 27th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Hans Davenport July 27th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
    and another thing they play jeter at SS he’s going to hit the DL again

    I know. I don’t get it?

    ————————–
    don’t have to get it just watch

  69. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Hans-

    But he had to be smart enough to know to hire those people and relinquish control to them.

    Think the Hal/Levine axis would do that ?

    That’s what I meant about him being crafty. Not that he runs the Team. Just the opposite.

    ;)

  70. Tar July 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    “Hal is on a mission and Levine is the GM, that might be bothering him a little.”

    mick

    If true he is on his way out, and probably sooner rather than later.

    But if true that Levine is behind a lot of this non sense, and he is the one put in charge of the hiring process,….we be screwed.

    And I really don’t think Lohud opinion means anything to the Yankee brass.

  71. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    jmills- by bicker i mean more like constant complaining.

  72. ron July 27th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Cashman,and co do not know how to build a team.
    You don’t need a potent offense,just a capable one,league avg players,or slightly above,2 big bats,great pitching.
    Problem now is,we waited to long to trade anybody,the big contract players are declining with several years left on their contract,and they have no value in a trade.Our soon to be fa,good players have little value because they will become expensive,and are not controlled.No prospects filling voids,maxed out payroll.
    We should of traded hughes,cano,granderson,logan,joba for 5,or 6 prospects,more if you can get them,then signed some decent free agents.
    We don’t need a trout,harper,fielder,etc.. in fa to build a decent team
    The rs got rid of their bad contracts,signed a few nobody fa,have the same players that they had in last place,last year,except for the fa they signed,and they were nothing special.
    Iglesias,nava are 2 big pieces from their farm system that are helping.
    They were smart enough to realize that those particular players,and their contract would kill them.
    CC has 3 years,and an option,tex 3 years,arod 4 years.
    I can live with 3 years of tex,and cc.
    Arods 4 years,and cc’s 4th option year is going to hurt.

  73. dayglo July 27th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    MTU says:
    He threatened to leave once before if he was not given more autonomy.
    I believe that request was granted for a time.
    Currently it sounds like it has been rescinded again.

    Tar Says:
    Cashman’s comments about Sori really make me wonder if he doesn’t have one foot out the door. Why else would he want everybody to know what he is, and what he isn’t responsible for?

    1+1=Cashman’s last year

  74. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Mick, granted, I can be a complaining component. Any new music?

  75. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Mick-

    I have always thought Hal was a seller. Now I kind of hope he is as well.

    And yes trimming payroll as long as the operating revenues are not badly destroyed along with it is a good idea if a sale is coming.

  76. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    From NY Times 30 minutes ago:

    Aaron Boone

    “It’s the perfect storm of injuries and, now, your star power and your great players over the years are at that point of getting old. I see it as a transitional phase, entering into a transitional phase.”

    The Yankees, whose business model depends on competing for a championship every year, have no recent experience as a team in transition. They have reached the playoffs in 17 of the last 18 seasons, often taking advantage of an American League East that offered little competition besides the Red Sox. This season is different, with Boston, Tampa Bay and Baltimore seeming much stronger, and healthier, than the Yankees.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07.....1&

  77. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    “I’m for a clean sweep. New owner on down. I hope he takes his 4 bil and buys a new hotel chain. He lacks the passion for running a baseball Team. He’s much better at things like Hotels.”

    mtu-

    i agree with you and would prefer a new owner too. i was just being realistic. lousy owners can hire good management and get out of the way.

    hal will probably have to be publicly embarrassed to even think of hiring someone independent enough to demand to be left alone to run the team.

    hal has the option to be stubborn and keep control.

    hal has the right to be a loser, and he’s executing that right .
    that’s what he is right now, and it’s only going to get worse.

  78. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Tar-Thanks for the response.

    Cash could be axed, or have the desire to be, for PR reasons.
    Hal might be looking for a shiny new Yesman to be the face of the Yankees.
    Whatever happens here, I doubt it will be the long drawn out process of the CBS Years as Hal will have to put up or shut up in the next 2-3 years.
    If there is a sale, we can only hope it is to an entity that is not worse.

  79. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    “I still like the Soriano trade. It will help when he gets a chance to settle in a bit.”

    Agree with G. Love on this one. The guy hasn’t faced AL pitching on a consistent basis for 7 years. Did we really expect him to show up and light up the sky? Give him a chance to adjust just a little.

    “Nova deserved better. CC needs to go find his mojo out of rotation and our fearless GM needs to get lost.”

    Agree with this also. IMO, regular seasons games with a scuffling offense, with your team well out of first place, is not the place to woodshed after you’ve given up 7 ER three games in a row.

    **************

    This had to be a tough game to watch. Look, the offense didn’t come through in key spots yesterday, but guys got on base quite a bit. Two hits today could therefore mean a total hat tip to Archer. According to Chad, “Rays starter Chris Archer has been terrific this season. This was actually his second complete game shutout of the month, and he’s emerging as a sort of unexpected Rookie of the Year candidate.”

    Acher has a 2.39 ERA, a WHIP of 1.05, and hitters are hitting .193 against him. Maybe it wasn’t going to make any difference today no matter who he faced.

    Anyway, and most importantly for the day, WELCOME BACK RANDY!!!

    I really missed having you around, as did everybody else I’d say.

    :)

  80. Pat M. July 27th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    NY Yankees will have new ownership before the decade’s end. Classic business model for selling by trimming payroll and longterm obligations as well as selling off parcels of the organization ( YES ) piece by piece. Cashman has little juice in the big picture as he’s simply the guy that other GM’s know and can handle the day to day stuff that doesn’t require Hal’s committee boardroom crap…..

  81. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Mills-Did not mean to imply that you were a complainer.
    Not much into new music these days, the old suits me just fine.

  82. fantasygame101 July 27th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    just like torre, I want to know if cashman can win a championship with other organization. I really hope cashman is out bec. there is no accountability right now.

  83. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Wouldn’t Hal be better off selling by meeting the new payroll, then reinvesting in meaningful FA’s with value contracts, winning a WS, then selling high?

  84. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Pat M.-

    The sooner the better as far as I’m concerned.

    Let’s get a guy who loves sports and wants to win.

    A Mark Cuban type.

  85. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Mick, there is new music worthwhile; don’t take it from me! :)

  86. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Or let Jeter retire and form a consortium to help him buy the Yankees like a Magic Johnson type situation.

    Now that would be somethin’. That would be somethin’ fine.

    :)

  87. mick July 27th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Mills- I fear my musical days are over or have been since the 80′s-Post Disco.

  88. comnsnse July 27th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    The O’s and their resurgence are a by product of good draft position Machado,Markakis,Weiters, better trades Davis, Jones, Tillman and a very good if FA Hardy.

    When the young pitching Gausman and Bundy come to pass they will contend along with the Rays for years barring FA’s leaving.

    There is no mystery or magician , simply the happy confluence of the right circumstances that occasionally occur in sports, with a little bit of luck that all the components are coming together at the same time!

  89. Tar July 27th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    “If there is a sale, we can only hope it is to an entity that is not worse.”

    Thats true even if it just a GM change.

    I have been one of Cashman’s biggest critics, but even I will concede that there is probably worse out there. I fear Levine being put in charge, will test my theory.

    Being honest, Cashman has made some good deals, and some not so good. But I think that is true for every other GM out there.

    For me the lack of developing prospects, and his arrogance especially to his own players is what bothers me the most about him.

    Like Torre he’s had his time here, and now it’s probably past time for him to go.

  90. Pat M. July 27th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    mick….That cycle takes time besides The Yanks are riding high as far as Forbe’s is concerned. Hal needs a wake-up moment and simply cut the cord and let baseball people run things. Much like Gabe Paul did before George became a buffoon and enjoyed the back pages of the NYC newspapers. Hire someone like John Hart and restructure the baseball operations and move Randy Levine to Tampa and get the heck out of the way.

  91. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Mick, don’t give up hope, there is music to this very day – rest assured!

  92. Tar July 27th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    fantasygame 101

    I didn’t read your post before i posted mine. It seems we are thinking along the same lines.

  93. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    The O’s and their resurgence are a by product of good draft position Machado,Markakis,Weiters, better trades Davis, Jones, Tillman and a very good if FA Hardy.
    =================
    The one constant beween the O’s and TB’s success has been years of failure.
    The Yanks had to endure this as well but not lately.
    Indeed, it could be many dry years ahead.

  94. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    So many things in Life really are cyclical in nature.

    Even baseball ?

    :)

  95. ron July 27th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    The Yankees could of traded for the machados,weiters,instead of signing cano,or losing him.
    Cano,granderson,hughes,joba,logan,swisher,martin,etc…
    That is how you build a team.

  96. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Pat M- One similarity about Hal and George might be the control factor.
    Both might have fancied themselves GM’s.
    George endured much ridicule before succeeding and much of it was achieved without him tho his checkbook was still there.
    Hal might have a lot to learn but I think he will get out if there is too much failure and he digs too deep a hole, unlike Dad.

  97. JobaTipsHisCap July 27th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    when will Jays pass them?

  98. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Good night all

  99. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    See ya’ in the AM Trader.

  100. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    The reason I find the constant bickering here annoying is that I don’t want to be prematurely effected by any decline in Yankee baseball.
    There will be plenty of time for that if they indeed plummet beyond recognition.
    As long as I can hold out hope I will.
    When/if desperation sets in I will recognize it as I have before.

  101. luis July 27th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Good evening,

    Is missing the PS altogether enough to be the much needed wake up call?

    George had no clue about how to run a ball club and I don’t think Hal has any idea either… He is not even a fan of the sport… If he is calling the shots lately as this rumors tend to confirm ( via a commitee ), we are in deep trouble.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    comnsnse – you missed the meaning of my post on niblick. Because I really like you, I will take the time to explain it one more time. It has nothing to do with “slavish devotion” or lack thereof. If that were the case I would be calling many people out! It has to do with the guy PRETENDING to be a Yankee fan and calling ME out when I criticize the Sux. Now do you get it?

    The dots here are so easy to connect that even a baby could do it. Here’s a guy who never gets upset when posters here call Yankee players the most horrible names, who never has a positive thing to say about the Yankees (probably a throw-away line here or there to keep his cover), who typically shows up when the Yankees are losing and criticizes the Yankees nonstop, yet calls me juvenile and stupid for calling the fenway fools the “Sux” and had a fit when I criticized Bucholz’s wife. Now do you get it?

    If you don’t I’m afraid we’ll just have to leave it that way. I don’t need to be told to lighten up. I’m pretty light, thank you, and not in the brain. I also don’t need some loser pretender calling me juvenile and stupid for trashing the Red Sux or for saying something about a Sux player’s wife when he sits blithely by when people here call CC a “fat slob” or a piece of garbage, and he’s not at all bothered by that.

    Now are you getting it?

    If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, by cracky – IT’S A DUCK!!!

    :)

  103. Bx is Burning July 27th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Please – no Prokhorov.

  104. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Mick, that was pretty good, how do u think about taking on, yes, Sylvia? Talk about American #1 poet, she is the best.

  105. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    And really, did Cash think it would be easier to work for Hal than his father?
    Hal has an agenda and no one will get in his way, esp a “good GM.”
    Cash gives the perception of building a farm system.
    What he can’t do is be a trailblazer/seller as Hal has different ideas.
    Ideas which I don’t think would mesh with a “smarter” GM.
    Cash is prolly a lame duck GM right now even tho not in his walk year.
    Unlike Theo, I am not sure if another team would want him at this point, if he decided to leave, so we might have to wait another year, depending how much he is worth for Hal to keep or if he can get more elsewhere.

  106. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    “So many things in Life really are cyclical in nature.

    Even baseball ?”

    mtu-

    are you saying this would be a very good time for yankee fans to explore other hobbies ?
    i would tend to agree :)

  107. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Maybe Cashman’s buddy Towers will get to return the favor ?

    ;)

  108. Pat M. July 27th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Luis…….Watch how Jim Buss is running The LA Lakers as compared to his dad Dr. Jerry Buss. Doctor Buss did sign off on key issues however the let his basketball people run the organization. Now Jim has been around basketball for a longtime ( unlike Hal ) but he’s trying to re-invent the wheel and now the most successful sports franchise 40 plus years is taking on water much like the Yanks. Stop being part of the problem and get out of the way !!!

  109. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Luis, evening, hi down under; I understand they are pulling for Sylvia Plath in your Venezuelan parts too. Just, kidding, so happy we have, baseball, to breathe too :)

  110. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Pat M.- Jimmy Buss dissing the Zen Master was a no no.
    Will he take on Kobe next?

  111. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Not well versed on Sylvia but I do know she tried cooking herself but do not know why Mills.

  112. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Randy-

    It’s good to have you back.

    I wonder, during your absence, did you lurk at all ?

  113. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    ” A bag full of god ” – I don’t think any one could convey it like, Plath.

  114. Pat M. July 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    mick….the real problem in LA is that Jim is running the basketball end of things rather than Jeanie Buss who is a very savvy sports owner with a great eye on how to run professional teams. She studied under the great Jerry West who can be argued as the greatest GM of any sports team in North America

  115. blake July 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    As I said yesterday (and got lectured for)….I have no interest in the Yankees being continually mediocre…..I want them to get good again as quickly as possible and if they aren’t going to spend their way out of this in the winter then they should seize an opportuny to turn some expiring assets into longer term one this summer…..

    I hate it for Mo but it’s what needs to happen

  116. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    This is the easy part of Hal’s journey as all he has to do is not spend money to reach his short term goal.
    The hard part will be when he gets to where he wants to be contractually and has to spend again, or not.

  117. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Mick, Plath had a whole bunch of things going up against her – the person derserves a, break.

  118. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Blake-

    Think they’ll do that even if they fall completely out of it ?

  119. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    mick….the real problem in LA is that Jim is running the basketball end of things rather than Jeanie Buss
    ============
    pat m…well then maybe jim is mad at phil for having his way with his sister?

  120. luis July 27th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Pat,

    I used to marvel on how the Lakers were able to stay on top regardless of all the regulations toward parity that the NBA imposed ( caps, drafts and so on )… Why is it that the son is running things and not Jeanie?

    Hello jmills, I am not very well versed on American poetry. Sorry :oops: .. But yes, it is good that at least we get to breath baseball.. Even if both our teams are doing so bad

  121. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Luis, don’t worry about it,….u are well versed anyways – say hello to jmv from me!

  122. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    jmills was sylvia mad?

  123. luis July 27th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Blake,

    For what it’s worth… I got lectured the night before as well… I was even called a vulture, hedging my bet on the safe side and waiting to tell everybody “I told you so”… At this point in time, they need to rebuild. Unless they want the payroll to sore past 280 mil.. Which in all honesty, would be almost suicidal for the franchise. There are times when it is better to take a step back to take two forward afterwards… There is nothing wrong in that.. I just wish they would do so with a clear plan with clear objectives down the road

  124. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Hal needs a wake-up moment and simply cut the cord and let baseball people run things.
    =========================
    pat – what would this wake up moment be other than complete collapse?

  125. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    I was even called a vulture
    =================
    luis who would do such a thing?

  126. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Mick, Plath is, concrete, hardly, mad.

  127. UnKnown July 27th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    #freeEmmanuel

    Enough Doctors (and Shutouts), Let’s Play!

  128. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    mills she might be angry

  129. blake July 27th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    MTU says:
    July 27, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    Blake-

    Think they’ll do that even if they fall completely out of it ?”

    No

  130. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    mtu-

    i checked in enough to keep up on things.

    i kept tabs on your pup’s progress and hope he beats the problems he’s had.

  131. blake July 27th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Luis,
    There is nothing wrong with stating an opinion if its what you really think…..

  132. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Thanks Randy.

    I appreciate your interest and concern.

  133. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Mick, I’m angry too,… and just as soon as I’m going to get Plath over her, I’m going to sense acceptable.

    Poetry,…goes like that

  134. mick July 27th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    gardy, jeter SS,cano, sori , nunez DH,overbay, wells, lilly, stew?
    bench: romine, adams, ichi, mesa

  135. blake July 27th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    If folks think I’m crazy or a bad fan or whatever for wanting them to sell then that’s fine…..I just don’t see how anyone who has watched this team this year can think they have even a remote chance of winning the World series…..

    My thought process is that if you cant win it all then yourA decisions should be primarily made with the goal of getting good enough to be able to win the World Series…..that doesn’t mean you fold up shop…..you have to play the game and you have to sell tickets…..but it does mean that the first goal of the decisions should be about getting better for next year and beyond…..not trying to squeeze blood out of a rock and givin yourself a blue moon chance in 2013.

  136. UnKnown July 27th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    You never know what you really have till it’s gone.

    Any Yankee lineup of the last 30 years is better than this one is currently.

    Hall, Nokes, Pags, Barfield, Balboni, Polonia, Kelly, Geren, Sax etc. all better.

  137. mick July 27th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    blake- do you really think hal would have the stones to trade mo?

  138. blake July 27th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    mick says:
    July 27, 2013 at 9:04 pm
    blake- do you really think hal would have the stones to trade mo?

    When did I say they should trade Mo? I said I hated it for Mo that this year has been like this…..Id never trade Mo just on principle

  139. mick July 27th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    so who would you trade?

  140. blake July 27th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    They should trade Cano though if he won’t sign an extension…..they should trade Granderson and Joba and Logan and they should trade Hughes too if he won’t do an affordable extension .

  141. blake July 27th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    I would talk to Cano and if he is going to hit free agency then Id trade him and make him aware that Id still try to sign him this winter if he wanted to come back.

    Id have a similar conversation with Kuroda and even Hughes…..

  142. mick July 27th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    None of those deals, other than Cano, would be considered “selling.”

  143. blake July 27th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Trading Cano would take guts…..but they aren’t winning it all with or without him so if he isn’t extended by the end of the month then I’m trading him

  144. luis July 27th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Blake thanks

    Mick,

    I was paraphrasing to be honest, but in the end that what the poster meant

    Got to go… Have a good one all

  145. blake July 27th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    mick says:
    July 27, 2013 at 9:09 pm
    None of those deals, other than Cano, would be considered “selling.”

    Kuroda? Granderson? Hughes? That’s all selling…..Id only trade Kuroda if I didnt think it would affect his decision for next year…..he has a no trade so you’d have to talk to him anyway…..if you get the idea that he’s going back to Japan anyway then you see if he wants to go to a contender to finish out his time……if he was interested in coming back though and trading him would affect that then you can’t trade him…. Then need him back if he will come

  146. mick July 27th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    maybe kuroda…depends what you get back…hughes and grandy are not selling, they are getting something back where you would get nothing….cano has them over the barrell, without him they are a last place team now and next year so if they know he’s not coming back then even trading him isn’t selling.

  147. UnKnown July 27th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Phillies getting pounded again. Garage sale starts tomorrow at 9 AM.

    Get there Cashman.

  148. mick July 27th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    in fact, they don’t have much to sell..

  149. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Get us Michael Young and Ruiz.

  150. mick July 27th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    luis, if you want to complain every day then you can’t play the victim card .

  151. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    mtu-

    pets come to us in a lot of ways.

    i hope this makes you laugh a little.

    in the early nineties, i was moving into a condo in sarasota on the inter coastal on a rare freeze night in florida. while carrying a box into the door, i felt something on my head. i walked into the bathroom and there was this turquoise colored parakeet sitting on my head freezing his ass off..

    i was in kind of a hurry, so i left it on a towel on the towel rack gave it some crackers and water and shut the door. he made it through the night so i cut out a window in a cardboard box and thats where he lived while i was trying to find it’s owner. i never found them. eventually he’d fly over from his box and land on my shoulder and watch tv. so i finally told him he could stay.

    my roommates at that condo were mlb players during that time. i definitely took some heat for my pet parakeet.
    but he traveled with me for the next six years from florida to my business on cape cod and had a spot in the gallery on cape cod and in the one in florida where he chattered away at customers.he definitely had a sense if humor. a very funny bird.

    he’s buried out back in the garden in a special spot.

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    Sweet story, Randy; the blog’s missed you.

  153. jmills July 27th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    A long time ago ( last year ), I promised MTU an amazing Bench Card of him running at the dugout and making the catch at the same time. Damn, I wish I didn’t say I would give MTU that card ! :)

  154. randy l. July 27th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    mtu-

    now that i think of it that parakeet lived through all the championships from 1996 through 2000.
    he saw a lot of really good baseball.

    he definitely watched more yankee baseball than hal did during that time.

  155. blake July 27th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Randy,

    You need a new bird.

  156. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Randy-

    Sometimes I think that people can be divided into 2 basic types when it comes to pets and animals in general.

    Those who love them and want them in their lives, and those who basically want nothing to do with them preferring not to have the responsibilities or hassles that are part of ownership.

    The level of love that I have for my Mops can probably only be understood by someone who has felt a similar type of attachment.

    The other type probably think I’m just plain crazy to go thru what I have.

    But for me that’s love.

    And I freely admit I’m crazy so that’s not even being contested.

    Anyone who has conversed with me here over the years knows that.

    ;)

  157. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    New one —–>

  158. MTU July 27th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Mills-

    You are officially released from your obligation.

    Signed,

    MTU

    :)

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    mick July 27th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
    luis, if you want to complain every day then you can’t play the victim card .

    New rules, part of the loyalty oath?

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    Mtu, thanks, I need all the help I can get!

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    Mick, truly, Tom Seaver! :)

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