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Jeter expected back in the lineup today

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

 Derek Jeter

As long as he shows up and says he’s healthy — and when has he not done those things? — Derek Jeter will be in the Yankees lineup this afternoon. It will be his second Major League game of the season, and his first straining his quadriceps in his initial attempt to come off the disabled list. At this point, the Yankees need their captain. They need him to hit. They need him to lead. They need him to get this season moving in the right direction again. Is one man enough to get things turned around?

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145 Responses to “Jeter expected back in the lineup today”

  1. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Repost:

    Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Let’s play a game this morning…. here is the schedule for August. How many series should we win?

    3 at the Padres
    3 at the White Sox
    3 vs. Detroit
    4 vs. LA
    3 at Boston
    4 vs. Toronto (seriously, this has to be a record setting year for 4 game sets…..)
    3 at Tampa
    3 at Toronto

    Then we have 2 August games against Baltimore with the third game of the set coming on Sept 1.

  2. UnKnown July 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    the captain will save the season. Those of you going to the game today enjoy should be an awesome time.

  3. blake July 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Hope it lasts this time

  4. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Jump to opening day 2014. Here are the new New York Yankees as they take the field.

    Playing 1B Teixeira
    2B Adams
    SS Jeter
    3B Mustelier
    C Murphy
    RF Ichiro
    CF Gardner
    lF Soriano

    And your DH Wells

    Welcome to your once proud Bronx Bombers!

  5. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    YT-

    Wrong in several respects IMO.

    Cano will be at 2nd.

    Musty will not be our 3b. A trade or acquisition will be.

    Murphy will not be our lead Catcher. A trade or acquisition will be.

    And our pitching will be really good.

  6. blake July 28th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    If they don’t trade Cano and then let him walk ….then that woukd represent the height of incompetence

  7. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    A-rod’s upcoming suspension will give the Yankees an extra 20 mil or so to work with for next year.

    So instead of need to get to 177 they can actually spend 197.

  8. Tar July 28th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    “They need him to get this season moving in the right direction again. Is one man enough to get things turned around?”

    Emotionally speaking ..Yes, realistically speaking…..

    It sure would have been nice to have both Alex and Jeet back.

  9. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Tar-

    I think Alex will be back this season.

    No idea if he can stay healthy or not.

  10. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    MTU

    If Cano is allowed to get to free agency, and the Yankees are now in the rebuilding phase, when it comes to their offense, plus given the money factor, why would Cano want to come back to the Yankees?

  11. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    YT-

    Because he see himself as a Yankee and wants to stay there if at all possible.

    I think the Yankees will make him a very competitive offer.

  12. MaineYankee July 28th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    MTU

    Your pictures on your site are really good. Well done.

    For any that remember ray(redsox fan), I saw him yesterday at a school reunion. Naturally we had a good natured discussion of our respective teams.

    Fortunately I had support from another classmate that was a Yankee fan.

  13. Tar July 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Hey Maine :D

    I just mentioned Ray the other night. Good to hear he’s doing ok.

  14. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    I hope everything will go well for him ….rather not see him in the field just DHing for a week

  15. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Thanks for the feedback Maine.

    I remember Ray. He’s a good guy. Miss his perspective.

    Good to see you round. Hope all is well.

    Randy is back so you’ll have someone to harass again.

  16. MG July 28th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    I probably had the only positive result for a Yankees fan watching yesterday’s game-I fell asleep in the middle of the game from boredom, thus allowing me to stay up until 1:30 AM playing in a poker tournament that started at 7, finishing 2nd out of 80 players.

    The season is obviously on the brink of being over, I just don’t think that giving up now is the right thing to do given Mo’s impending retirement, Andy’s probable last season, and Jete coming back today after rehabbing since the winter.

    Call me nostalgic, call me loyal to a fault, call me whatever you want, but let them play it out, sign Cano to a reasonable deal and put some players around him next year, and put a competitive team on the field without the injuries either due to age, infirmity, or just bad luck.

  17. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Joeman-

    They need his bat much more than his glove so I think they should ease him in.

    DH’ing is a good way to do that.

    Same with Jeter. Don’t push him too hard too fast.

  18. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    MTU, how dare u do pictures better than I can! :) BTW, I have a bunch of succulents just begging to be taken.

  19. Rich in NJ July 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    If they don’t sign Hughes because of ancient Sori and Ich I will need a new remote or five. But on the bright side, I may be watching less and less YES because the games are boring and could get worse under Hal the clown.

  20. MaineYankee July 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Tar July 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am
    Hey Maine

    I just mentioned Ray the other night. Good to hear he’s doing ok.

    —————————————————————

    He drives bus for Concord Trailways between Portland and Boston.

    Trenton will be here in Portland at the end of the season and we talked about going to one of the games.

    He and GB7 were friends here and he asked me if he had departed and wasn’t surprised with the answer. He knew he had health problems.

  21. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Cano is going to want a lot of money and a lot of years, will be 31 in Oct and he could make this his last big contract in terms of years,I don’t know if I would go there with him. They are dealing with the Arod and CC’s contracts now which total about 45 mil right now….long term contracts are no good

  22. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    MTU

    The Dodgers need a 2nd baseman and can surround him with a very potent offense. Cano might see the writing on the wall.

    A suspended ARod
    No more Mo
    A declining Tex
    A retiring Jeter
    Gone are Kuroda, Hughes, Granderson, Logan, Pettitte

    Why stay? To be listed in the record books as the greatest Yankee 2nd baseman of all time, many of those years spent on a rebuilding team?

  23. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Mills-

    Who says I do ? You might be Ansel Adams cousin for all I know.

    Or Gaugin’s nephew.

    It’s a long way from where you are to Utah.

    Why don’t you run them down here in the prelude or wrx.

    Should only take a couple of hours with your skill.

    :)

  24. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    which total about 45 mil right now per year

  25. MG July 28th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    I know that today is the Matsui retirement ceremony and will never understand how the Yankees thought that letting him go after the 2009 WS MVP award to sign Nick Johnson could be a good move.

    It’s one thing to let a guy like Matsui go to sign a really good bat, but Nick Johnson?

    Whoever came up with that plan should have been terminated for cause.

    The cause? Abject stupidity…

  26. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Joe knows not to push, Jeter, he knows what happened to, Orr. I don’t care if Pruf likes Mario, Bobby is the best ! :)
    I realize what’s going on, I’m Canadian, and if I say Orr is better than, Lemieux, that’s the way it is.

  27. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    MTU July 28th, 2013 at 8:58 am
    Joeman-

    They need his bat much more than his glove so I think they should ease him in.

    DH’ing is a good way to do that.

    Same with Jeter. Don’t push him too hard too fast.

    ————————————
    agree…right now nothing good can happen by him playing the field

  28. MaineYankee July 28th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    MTU

    Things are well here, Thanks.

    I saw Matsui play here in Portland when he was rehabbing from his injury you mentioned.

    My son also got his autograph.

  29. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    YT-

    Honestly, I have no idea which way it will go with Robbie.

    All I know is that he is our best hitter and we can definitely use the production going forward.

    I hope they can come to mutually agreeable terms is all.

    If not, c’est la vie I guess.

  30. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Posted this earlier. Video of Matsui’s last hit and story of many of his memorable moments as a NYY.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

  31. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Maine-

    Hope the Mrs. is well too.

    That is a treasured autograph for sure.

    Things have been tough for us for the last 6 months or so.

    Hoping there is light at the end of the tunnel soon and not another oncoming train.

    Glad to hear you have fared better.

    :)

  32. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    really liked Orr,Espo and the crew…but the one I really liked was the prue power forward who did it all on the ice and was as mean as they come Cam Neely

  33. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    MG

    The Brittle Man, Nick Johnson, might have cost the Yankees another one or more World Series appearances.

    Had Nick Johnson not been on the roster as the DH for the upcoming 2004 season, The Boss would have likely signed David Ortiz.

  34. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    MTU, I like Ansel Adams doing stark silver birches in the snow, in fact, Adams could do a sidewalk turd and people would want to hug it. I can make it in a couple of hours your way Prelude/WRX, just don’t want to deal with la Police, Sting.

    P.S., Gauguin is wonderful, substantial influence on, Munch.

  35. JimK July 28th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Why Cano may not be with the Yankees next years and why the logical choice is LA: Cano is named after Jackie Robinson; the Dodgers look like a legitimate contender for the foreseeable future; they have a line-up where other teams cannot pitch around Cano.
    Unknown factors: Jay-Z is from NY, but for exposure purposes LA may still work; Mattingly is the LA MGR, do not know what type of relationship Mattingly had with Cano (not that Mattingly signs the players, but that may play into Cano’s decision.
    I also think Hughes will sign with the Dodgers for the most obvious reason, he is from Southern CA.

  36. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Cam Neely!, if only he were as good as, Barry Pederson :)

  37. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Mills-

    My wife is distantly related to Gaugin. Her Father was a French Canadian from Moncton.

    Interestingly, she is very artistic by nature.

  38. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:15 am
    Cam Neely!, if only he were as good as, Barry Pederson
    ——————————-
    Barry does a lot of TV for them on NESN in hockey season

  39. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    The way things are shaping up the Yankees might wind up with quite a few more supplement picks next season.

  40. blake July 28th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    If Cano leaves after they refused to trade him then boy what a bungle that would be…..I think they are gonna re -sign him to a bad contract but there is always a chance he leaves if he reaches free agency…..LA could be very appealing if they offer more money……better weather….better and younger team…..more committed ownership.

  41. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    This has been my weirdest baseball season,….and I’m trying to think who to thank. Ummmmmmmm, ….thank you, Naomi Watts, you’re the perfect Canadian in Mulholland!

  42. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    QO’s to Grandy, Hughes, Cano, Kuroda.

    Might get 2 of 4 or more depending.

  43. MaineYankee July 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    MTU

    I’ve seen that you have been having tribulations and am sorry for that.

    Hopefully they end soon and you come out stronger on the other side.

  44. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Thanks Maine.

    Appreciate the positive thoughts.

    Our turn in the barrel I guess.

    Just wish it didn’t all hit like a flash flood.

    Things are slowly resolving so you might just be right.

  45. blake July 28th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Again if the yanks wanted to think outside the box a bit the. They could have their cake and eat it to by trading cano now then attempting to re-sign him this winter.

    If he’s going to free agency anyway they should consider it…..there is this myth out there that by not trading him he is guaranteed to stay…..he’s not ….they could still lose him and for nothing .

    If I’m cano then I wouldn’t be opposed to playing for a contender for 3 months ….and it might also increase his FA value because if he’s traded then teams wouldn’t have to give up a draft pick to sign him

  46. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    if everyone on their current roster who can leave at years end leaves where is their payroll at

  47. pat July 28th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Reportedly the Angels might be sellers.

  48. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I don’t think there’s any way they can trade Cano at this time..that ship sailed last year

  49. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    MTU, no surprise she is artistic – genetics vs environs. My dad was a florist, built his own audiophile centres and was dead prior to my conscious reception. Still, I developed plants despite my mother never having one in our home, and I got to know, Glenn Gould, despite being stuck with abbba in the back seat – just goes to show.

  50. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I’m still not sure I fully trust that the Yankees will be off the hook based on the LT when an Arod suspension is handed down. I haven’t seen any indication that Brauns AAV was lowered this year based on his suspension. There is no information out there regarding how a suspension would be calculated in terms of the cap and a suspension.

  51. Frankg July 28th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Derek is about as ready to come back as is Alex.

  52. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    w/o alex about 69 Mil plus arb raises, bonuses, etc. for several guys.

    Those would need to be estimated.

  53. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    pat July 28th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    Reportedly the Angels might be sellers
    ——————————————————–
    I can see that, they had their little run but settled back into a rut..plus AP is hurt again, with all his injuries I always wondered about him

  54. yankeefeminista July 28th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Unknown, thanks for posting the Alex vid and for the good wishes regarding attending the game! Very excited to be on my way to the Bronx and to have Matsui in our midst and Jeter back. :) I’ll check back in later. Have a good morning, all.

  55. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Mistake, ” abbba ” is, ” abba “, I just can’t get one of the b’s to go backwards on this bb.

  56. Tar July 28th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Blake

    I’m with you on Cano. I also think that is feasible to trade and than sign him back.

    Just would like to exhaust every last moment, right up to the TD, before that happens.

  57. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Bungling Cano, Granderson, Hughes and Joba is pretty much assured when they don’t trade them. Acting as if they are in a pennant or wild card race is just silly. Look at the roster. Look at the lineup. They need Ruth and Gehrig from 1927.

    Is YT’s lineup’s realistic? No, they will add another 38 year old or two and expect fans to come.

  58. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:32 am
    w/o alex about 69 Mil plus arb raises, bonuses, etc. for several guys.

    Those would need to be estimated.
    ——————————-
    so with Alex it’s still under 100 mil

  59. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Tar, u can rarely trade players and get them back, but nice double overtake if you can get it done.

  60. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Also, here’s another question: isn’t the LT calculated based on the payroll on opening day? What if Alex appeals and it isn’t resolved before opening day in 2014?

    The fans can discuss this all they want.. if the Yankees are depending on having those dollars available next year that seems like a gamble.

  61. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Oops. Jeter would add about another 10 or so.

    So make that at least 79 mil.

    Kuroda between 15-20.

    4 each for GGBG and D-Rob (estimate).

    About 9-10 mil for the other arb guys (estimate)

    Leaves about 60 for the other needed guys and bonuses, etc.

  62. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    one bad signing after another this year..looks like it started with the stiff Youkilis and ended with Soriano.. and with the injuries about sums up the 2013 NYY season

  63. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    That leaves out Cano as well.

    He’ll eat at least 20 mil or so.

  64. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    There is not one hint the Yankees would consider trading our departing players except Joba. Cashman doesn’t seem to know how or is not allowed.

    Next year is 1965. Recovery will come with a new owner just like the 1970s. It can’t happen soon enough.

  65. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    How can A-Rod be listed in the voting on ESPN as one of the 20 All Time Greatest Yankees ?

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnatio.....istId=1027

    Anyone have a theory on this ?

    There are 20 guys listed for 20 spots and asks the reader to rank them, I would think there might be a better candidate than A-Rod to include in the Top 20, no ?

  66. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    trade of Soriano

  67. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Trading and resigning a player in his FA year would not just be outside of the box for the Yankees but also for any MLB team. It’s just not going to happen, regardless of whether or not it’s a good idea.

    They’ll either lose Cano for nothing or resign him and cry about the cost. Those are the only two potential outcomes here.

  68. JimK July 28th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Shame, I looked at the CBA and honestly did not get into it in depth but for LT purposes it appears the tax is based on actual salary paid during the “championship (regular season beginning on Dec 1) season.” ARod’s contract would be factored in based on their formula for determining the value of long term guaranteed contracts, but the fact that he is not paid during a suspension will lower their “actual salary paid.”
    The CBA also has language on disabled players and how the value of their contract will be determined against the LT, but I only glanced at that section.

  69. Madrugador July 28th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    I don’t remember 1965 but I do remember 1969. Those were not easy years to be a fan.

  70. blake July 28th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    If Cano really wanted to stay as a top priority then he would have signed an extension like Pedrioa did….. assuming he’s going to stay just because is a bad idea…..he’s out for the most money

  71. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    People, next years budget is a disaster with or without AROD. They have no team and tens of millions on the books.

    Returning players are our fabulous catching trio, Teixiera, Jeter, Gardner and the three oldest outfielders in baseball(or so it seems). Kuroda, Pettitte and Hughes are likely gone from the rotation.

    Is disaster not assured?

  72. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Kuroda between 15-20.

    —————–

    I think Kuroda made $16 this year and he’s now a $20 million dollar pitcher if he wants to come back. He’d get that from almost any other team on a one year deal.. hell, LA might try to add him again for another one off just to go all in. I could also see the Rangers, Tigers, Red Sox, and Angels interested in his services.

  73. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    U guys can have, Josh Johnson for,……….let’s see, who do I want?…….Cliff, the pinch homer extraordinaire!

  74. Madrugador July 28th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Any consideration that Hughes and Cano might get qualifying offers in the off season so the Yanks can get a compensatory first round pick in the draft when they walk? Not that they actually have shown that they know how to use those high draft picks.

  75. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Mac-

    If A-Rod’s money for next year comes out it’s not quite as dire.

    I think at least 20 mil of it will be gone. maybe a touch more.

    I think a deal will be struck, or he will be bought out for a percentage of the total owed.

  76. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    JimK July 28th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Shame, I looked at the CBA and honestly did not get into it in depth but for LT purposes it appears the tax is based on actual salary paid during the “championship (regular season beginning on Dec 1) season.” ARod’s contract would be factored in based on their formula for determining the value of long term guaranteed contracts, but the fact that he is not paid during a suspension will lower their “actual salary paid.”

    —————-

    Yeah it’s extremely fuzzy.. the fans shouldn’t count on it, and the Yankees DEFINITELY cannot be counting on that LT relief.

  77. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Mag-

    I absolutely expect that if they elect FA.

    that should net 2 picks.

  78. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Kuroda between 15-20.

    ===========

    Didn’t Kuroda want to come back to NY this and took less money to play where he wanted (NY) ?

  79. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Shame,

    You are right on Cano. Players lose their loyalty when they are traded and the team to which they are traded have great interest in retaining them.

    How can one ask Cano to do a team friendly, Pedroia type deal when the Red Sox did the deal with years remaining on his deal and the Yankees scoffed when Boras approached the Yankees to do that? Once again, absolutely no foresight. That is the point to which I keep returning.

  80. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Shame-

    I estimated 17.5 for Hiroki but if it was 20 it wouldn’t be a problem.

  81. blake July 28th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    “Any consideration that Hughes and Cano might get qualifying offers in the off season so the Yanks can get a compensatory first round pick in the draft when they walk? Not that they actually have shown that they know how to use those high draft picks.”

    Sure but a sandwich pick is less value than you can get by trading them….. Way less in Cano’s case

  82. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    blake July 28th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    If Cano really wanted to stay as a top priority then he would have signed an extension like Pedrioa did….. assuming he’s going to stay just because is a bad idea…..he’s out for the most money

    —————-

    Yeah he likely is. And there was a time when that would leave me confident… :(

  83. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Latest rumor on Sirius (MLB Channel) this morning has A-Rod getting suspended until 2015

  84. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Shame-

    I estimated 17.5 for Hiroki but if it was 20 it wouldn’t be a problem.

    ————–

    Not for you or I but possibly for the team lol. They really will have very little wiggle room next year.

  85. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    If the difference in money is great just about every player will take the higher offer.

    Sometimes they’ll leave a smaller amount on the table but almost never a significant amount.

    A few mill maybe.

  86. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Shame-

    It won’t make much difference to the Team either if A-rod’s salary comes out due to a suspension which I am expecting.

  87. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Baby Ruth ( great name ), a year without Mr. Rod will be like a year of not asking Mr. Weiner what’s up.

  88. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    MTU,

    There are few good free agents, and when exactly did we last outbid anyone for a desirable player? 2009?

    I have been saying since last fall, 2014 will be 1965 all over again. They have no youth. They do have the old outfielders, the 40 year old Jeter, Teixiera who was last good several years ago, CC, Nova and Robertson. That is about it unless you want to count our catchers.

    I do believe you would be very hard pressed, with a possible Astros exception, to find a team in a worse position going forward. Who would it be?

  89. blake July 28th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “You are right on Cano. Players lose their loyalty when they are traded and the team to which they are traded have great interest in retaining them.”

    You’d have to talk to him first…..explain what you’re trying to do and that the goal is to have more to build around him next year if he’s willing

  90. Against All Odds July 28th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    the Yankees scoffed when Boras approached the Yankees to do that?

    ———————

    This.

    They had a chance to extend him.

  91. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Shame-

    when they get down to around 30-40 w/o arod they will be most of the way there.

    They’ll have a SP ro, a respectable pen, a bench, the entire IF except for 3b.

    And an OF including a 4th OF’er.

    I’d invest in a good 3b and maybe an OF upgrade. a lefty DH.

    I don’t think it will be as terrible as many think providing a-rod gets suspended.

    Only Kuroda. No AP.

    trades also possible over the Winter.

  92. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Latest rumor on Sirius (MLB Channel) this morning has A-Rod getting suspended until 2015

    ______________

    It’s really the best news to come out of 2013 if true. I really like Shin Soo Choo and Brian McCann and want to be able to accommodate a salary if they trade for someone like Prado or Headley. I would also like the option to bring back Cano, Granderson and Kuroda. I know I can’t have all those guys but ditching Arod’s salary gives them tremendous flexibility assuming it doesn’t count against the luxury tax.

  93. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Blake,

    Pedroia was not an approaching free agent. The Yankees refused to treat Cano differently than the usual let them become free agents philosophy that could work when you could outbid everyone. Now, it is stupid.

  94. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    jmills …………

    You mean it will be calm and quiet like going to church ? :)

  95. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    mac-

    I think the picture you paint is more pessimistic than the one I can envision.

  96. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    What a crappy 2013, we’re all contriving a premature xmas wish list.

  97. Madrugador July 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Blake-
    I am not so sure Cano is worth that much in a trade right now. He is just a rental for the team who gets him so could the Yanks really get more than a sandwich pick?

    MTU
    I like to idea of extra draft picks but have not seen a great ability of this team to utilize those picks or develop them.

    I thought Kuroda wanted to pitch his last year in baseball in Japan and was trying to leave enough in the tank to do that. I am not sure he will sign with any American team next year. This guy actually has some integrity. I don’t see him resigning to pitch unless he can do so at a very high level.

  98. Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Shame the luxury tax is calculated at the end of the season in december. There is no language that says being on any list removes the calculation of the luxury tax.

  99. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Jesus ………….

    Don’t you think NYY will try to get to $ 189 as opposed to signing high priced FA’s ?

  100. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    MTU,

    I simply look at the returning players–very few and likely not Cano–and then look at their age. They will need a decent catcher, a 2B, a SS who can play daily, a 3B, outfielders who can actually hit, two or three starters and a closer.

    Disagree with the openings?

  101. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Buster-

    If A-Rod is suspended I think that’s the case.

    His salary is removed from the LT calc. for the duration of the suspension.

    150 games is around 20 mil. 162 around 26 mil.

    A 2 yr would be 54 mil.

    We really only need to worry about next season though because that’s the one that resets the Tax.

    In 2015 Hal, or whoever, can re-open the money spigot for a while at least.

  102. MaineYankee July 28th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    austinmac

    The RS have more of a history of letting players walk than signing them like they did Pedroia.

    Also when they have left it was often with bad feelings toward the RS.

  103. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    So if the rumor is true and A-Rod gets the boot till 2015 (his career will effectively be over then) does his salary cap number for 2014 (that he presumably won’t get while suspended) count against the cap next year ?

    Anyone know ?

  104. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Ruth, it will be surreal in Sunday’s church, and then we will all be mute in the car Bach conducts in the driven snow.

  105. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    If I pay for something, a car, a house, a bag of groceries I expect to be taxed on it. If someone taxes me for something I don’t pay for and don’t own and control, then there’s a problem.

    The Yankees will not have use of their suspended player, therefore should not have to pay taxes on him.

    They would be paying MLB teams a tax for a player MLB itself removed from their lineup. That seems totally unfair.

    Why should a salary be calculated by MLB on a player MLB says cannot play for me? Seems like excessive punishment.

  106. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Maine,

    That may be their history, but unlike the Yankees, they showed a willingness to act differently. They also were willing to trade expensive parts last year. The Yankees act on one hand like they did when they were the money kings, but then don’t have the money when the players become free agents.

  107. jpmatrixfan88 July 28th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Baby Ruth,

    It is my understanding that for any length of time alex is suspended without pay for, does.not count against our payroll or luxury tax for that matter. So if he is suspended next season getting under 189 will be a lot easier.

  108. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    jmills …………….

    I like ! No more of his ‘DRAMA’ and his feeble attempts to be the center of attention. :) Bach is good especially after Mr. A-Rod hopefully slinks away in shame and name.

  109. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Buster,

    I agree it would make no sense to tax on a player MLB says can’t play. Regardless of the CBA language, which I haven’t studied, I would guess such salary wouldn’t count. At least I sure hope not.

  110. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Yes Mac I do.

    I think Cano will likely be back.

    Jeter can share duty with nunez if need be.

    We can afford to buy or trade for a 3b.

    GGBG, Ichiro, and Almonte can hit. Just not with power. Soriano can provide power.

    CC, either Kuroda or AP, Nova, Phelps, Pineda/Nuno/Warren/Banuelos

    D-rob is your closer. or possibly Kelley. Betances if he shows something.

    No one will be Mo. D-Rob is capable and he’s been groomed for it. Other options exist as I mentioned.

    There will money for other items if A-rod is suspended.

  111. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    MTU,

    I believe you’re right. It just makes no sense to tax an unpaid player. The Yankees would be paying a tax to be shorthanded on the field. Makes no sense. They should be able to reallocate their money and adjust to the loss of a player.

  112. ac1 July 28th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    If they don’t sign Hughes because of ancient Sori and Ich I will need a new remote or five. But on the bright side, I may be watching less and less YES because the games are boring and could get worse under Hal the clown.
    ___

    1 had ZERO to do with the other.
    1. We are on the hook for something like 1 mil for Wells in 2014.
    2. We have a lot of pitching. We aren’t paying Hughes 50 M so be an average at best starter.

  113. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Buster-

    JF is our resident expert on these matters

    perhaps he will weigh in

  114. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Shame the luxury tax is calculated at the end of the season in december. There is no language that says being on any list removes the calculation of the luxury tax.

    —————–

    Thank you.

    So all this stuff related to Arod’s salary not counting toward the LT is nothing but conjecture based on no actual evidence?

  115. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    jpmatrixfan88 …………………

    Sweet :) Good news for the front office and fans, hopefully giving NYY the flexibility to sign some lumber and or Cano to improve the lineup.

    Thanks for that.

  116. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    It’s based on logic. You can’t tax an item that isn’t being paid for.

  117. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    U guys should dig up ( or create for that matter, who’s to say? ) more dirt on that post Craig Nettles third baseman of yours, thus buying a longer room until,….how about 2019? The dude surely can’t play after that. Then again, given the potential of new concoctions, who snows?

  118. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    This is not the same as buying a car.. the Yankees signed a contract with a player. If he is suspended, they won’t need to pay him in real dollars but I still don’t see what part of the CBA stipulates that amount will not count towards the calculation of the LT. If it doesn’t count against the LT, how does the AAV work going forward? I think it presents more problems than people realize.

  119. ac1 July 28th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    If Nixxy is back, Adams is likely gone.
    Surprising that they would bring yet another guy back after such a short rehab stint.
    If so, can we bring Granderson back now too?

  120. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    The contract is suspended.

  121. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    It’s based on logic. You can’t tax an item that isn’t being paid for.

    —————–

    Arod’s contract is just a small portion of a $200+ million dollar payroll. They’re not taxing his contract exclusively, they’re taxing the entire sum of the Yankees payroll, which the Yankees were responsible for constructing.

  122. yankee21 July 28th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    As a minimum Cashman needs to find a trading partner for Hughes and move Joba. There really is no excuse not to. Hughes will get the money as a FA he will go back west.

    Hughes is at best a #2-3 starter in a big ballpark and often just a #4 starter everywhere else.
    NY has alternatives to him such as Warren, Phelps, Nuno, Marshall, Pineda Turley etc…
    The Yankees have depth in their system in SP.

    NY has a ready replacement for Joba in Betances.

    NY has to move these guys before the TD. I don’t expect them to sell anyone else, not in their DNA and too far out of their box for their absolute rigid thinking.

  123. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    I still believe if A-Rod is suspended his money will not count towards the LT.

    Common sense would dictate that whether it is specifically stated or not.

    Perhaps a special ruling will be required.

    An agreement cannot possibly cover ever single imaginable contingency.

    With as much as Selig hates A-rod I can imagine he’d come down on the Yankees side on that one.

  124. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    MTU,

    I wish us much luck with that team. It won’t hit 100 homers. Kuroda and Cano are questionable returnees. There are no good third baseman free agents and exactly who are we trading for one? We may not have one top 100 players in the minors next year unless Sanchez actually hits over .250 in his second year in A ball.

    How is your team better than the one we have now?

  125. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    The player and the player’s signed contract are both suspended. Therefore you can’t tax it.

  126. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    You’re talking about it making no sense to tax a contract for an unpaid player.. and I get that.. but real dollar value and LT value are not the same thing, which is made very clear in the CBA.

  127. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    You would be taxing a suspended contract.

  128. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Yankee21,

    I never expected Cano would be moved, but I completely agree it makes zero sense not to move Hughes and Joba. But, I don’t think Hughes will be moved. I have not read one word by anyone that says otherwise.

    I know, I know stealth Cashman. Is he still with the team or was he replaced by wise guy Cashman?

  129. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Just looking at the Giant’s calculations from last year.. I see no indication their total payroll does not include a portion of Melky’s salary based on his suspension.

  130. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    And shame 20-27 million is about 10 % of the total.

    That’s very significant.

    I believe the Yankees might be maneuvering towards that end.

    Getting a-rod off the books for 2013 so they have more money to work with in that critical year.

  131. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    sorry. meant 2014. duh

  132. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    MTU,

    No mistakes are allowed–except my typing. :)

  133. yankee21 July 28th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Regarding Matsui. Clearly one of my favorite Yankees of all time. Under normal circumstances I would have made plans to be in NY for his day today. I respect him like I do very few players, and I would be among the many fans showering him with appreciation. I really miss the guy.

    This year however, I have made a conscious decision to not attend any Yankee games, I don’t want to endorse the Hal and Cashman regime, home and on the road.

    So they can live without my $100-$200 ticket. I’m sure this attitude means squat to Hal but I really don’t give a flying S.

  134. Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    “How can one ask Cano to do a team friendly, Pedroia type deal when the Red Sox did the deal with years remaining on his deal and the Yankees scoffed when Boras approached the Yankees to do that?

    The myth that would not die. :neutral:

  135. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    The whole point of taxing large salaries is to redistribute money to other teams who can’t afford to sign big money players like Alex Rodriguez.

    So MLB has the power to force the Yankees to pay other teams even after MLB removes the same player whose contract generates income for these other teams?

    I highly doubt you can tax a suspended contract.

    Either the Yankees pay a player to play and other teams get money or the Yankees don’t pay a player to play and other teams get no money.

    You can’t have the Yankees not having a player to pay while paying other teams money for that player not to play.

    You can say this 1000 different ways.

    It always seems like excessive penalty to the Yankees as they lose both a player and money, however unprecedented.

  136. Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    The yankees can be taxed in 1 year for an amount more than they paid, there’s no fair or not in the cba since its designed to stop teams from circumventing it. A suspended player is not a special thing, it just means being placed on the restricted list. There is nothing in the cba that says a player is removed from calculation for being on that list. Logic says sure he won’t count, but when has logic ever mattered to mlb? Multiyear deals are calculated on the contract, not physical payroll so as far as I guess arod will count.

  137. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Again, they’re not being taxed on one contract they’re being taxed on their cumulative payroll. Which is a very different thing. They do not tax contracts. Other teams don’t need to worry about this because they have lower payrolls and aren’t subjected to the tax to begin with.

  138. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    :arrow:

  139. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    MTU ……………

    More like 14%, no ?

  140. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Mac-

    Aramis Ramirez is rehabbing a knee or something right now. He should be fine for next season and likely available.

    He is not a youngster but he can still hit and field and would not cost a king’s ransom.

    He can fill the slot for 2014 until the payroll tax resets in 2015.

    As far as Cano goes I just think a deal will be reached.

    If Kuroda decides not to return we get AP to fill in for 1 more season. I don’t think he’s cooked just yet.

    So there are just a few other alternatives.

  141. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    The bottom line is you’re taxing a suspended contract. Once you suspend the contract, you should have to suspend tax collection on it.

    The Yankees could refuse to pay tax on it and win a lawsuit against MLB.

    There is no way in bloody hell MLB will take their player and their money on top of it. It’s unprecedented.

  142. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Ruth-

    yeah. Ok. Lot’s of approximating anyway.

  143. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Buster-

    They could also request a special ruling or dispensation since the item is not specifically covered in the CBA.

    If Selig rules against them other actions might well be forthcoming.

    I think Selig will agree though on that special case as it makes sense and sets a proper precedent IMO.

    The Union appears to have no interest one way or the other in what happens with a-rod.

  144. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    New one ——>

  145. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    From Joel Sherman

    Need a definitive accurate answer from MLB.

    a) They only get a substantial insurance payback if he is unable to ever play again due to the hip injuries. Thus, it doesn’t matter if he comes back or not, as long as it leads to permanent absence at some point; b) They are competitive folks who think A-Rod could actually help the 2013 team; c) They believe what the rest of the sport believes — Rodriguez will soon be suspended for 100-plus games. If the suspension holds after appeal and is served mostly and/or all of next year, this would be best for the organization because it means not paying him during the suspension and not having that part of the salary count toward the luxury tax payroll. That would help make it easier to meet the mandate to get under the $189 million threshold in 2014 and earn additional, substantial financial benefits.


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