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Yankees lineup: Jeter at short

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Vin Mercogliano here again from the Bronx, and it’s official: Derek Jeter is back (again). Jayson Nix is also here, but he said he won’t be activated until tomorrow.

Brett Gardner CF
Derek Jeter SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Alfonso Soriano LF
Vernon Wells DH
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Brent Lillibridge 3B
David Adams 1B
Chris Stewart C

RHP Phil Hughes

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183 Responses to “Yankees lineup: Jeter at short”

  1. Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Remember that logic said wells would count as negative money to the luxury tax and mlb said nope suckers the most we’ll give you is zero.

  2. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    And shame 20-27 million is about 10 % of the total.

    That’s very significant.

    ——————–

    The percentage that Arod’s salary makes up of our payroll is irrelevant since that was a decision made by the organization.

    I highly doubt MLB will interpret the rules to favor the Yankees in any respect.

  3. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    MTU ……………

    More like 14%, no ?

  4. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Zero is a fair deal.

    Nunez should be in there instead of Wells but whatever, watch Wells have a multihit game.

  5. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    MTU,

    Ramirez has a bad knee, is declining and is owed something like $15M for next year and perhaps money beyond. To me, this is compounding the problem. Too old by half.

  6. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    I liked David Wells, even if he did think Toronto fans were,….somewhat lacking. The guy won 20 here and massaged rocket Roger wanting to get the hell out.

  7. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    The bottom line is you’re taxing a suspended contract. Once you suspend the contract, you should have to suspend tax collection on it.

    ———————–

    I really don’t know that there is another way to say it… MLB does not tax contracts. MLB taxes the AAV of contracts that exceed a certain amount of money. Real dollars not being spent has never been an indicator of on-the-books calculations.

    It will certainly be unprecedented because the Yankees are one of the few teams subjected to the LT but again, I can find no indication that the Giants payroll was reduced based on Melky’s suspension. So it’s highly likely, fair or not, that it will count and assuming otherwise would a mistake IMO.

  8. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    cumulative AAV of contracts*

  9. Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Its apparently not unprecedented if melkys contract counted in sf calculation when he was suspended.

  10. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    I didn’t get Ichiro trying to bunt with the tying run on second. It is a surrender move. Today, he is in an RBI position at 6th. Ah well, so it goes.

  11. Baby Ruth July 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    The sooner he is suspended then we will know the skinny on the money :)

  12. Madrugador July 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Matt Moore pitching, does anyone have a multihit game?

  13. Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    The yankees could be taxed on 9 million for jeter who is not even on the roster next year potentially. Fair?

  14. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Look, if we’re thinking about this in terms of fair play, MLB will be forcing Arod out of the game for perhaps multiple seasons. He’s a guy with 2 hip surgeries, a PED user past, and a ton of baggage.

    You honestly believe MLB would like to help the Yankees even more by not only ridding them of him as a player but also by removing him from their books…?? In what world is MLB that kind?

  15. randy l. July 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    pace-o-meter at 84.

    i want to apologize to all for predicting 91-92 wins.

    hey when you’re wrong , just come right out and admit it :)

  16. eb03 July 28th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    “If I had a dollar for every reactionary, butthurt into-the-breach defense you make on Brian Cashman’s behalf, I’d be a rich man.”

    ___

    bodhisattva, you realize “butthurt” is offensive to gays, right? So you’re prejudiced against homosexuals… nice.

  17. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Isn’t it enough that the Yankees could be recouping $20ish million real dollars which could conceivably pay a large portion of their LT charge if they have one…????

  18. eb03 July 28th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    so are you going to admit that Montero stinks, both offensively and defensively, randy?

  19. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    From Joel Sherman

    Need a definitive accurate answer from MLB.

    a) They only get a substantial insurance payback if he is unable to ever play again due to the hip injuries. Thus, it doesn’t matter if he comes back or not, as long as it leads to permanent absence at some point; b) They are competitive folks who think A-Rod could actually help the 2013 team; c) They believe what the rest of the sport believes — Rodriguez will soon be suspended for 100-plus games. If the suspension holds after appeal and is served mostly and/or all of next year, this would be best for the organization because it means not paying him during the suspension and not having that part of the salary count toward the luxury tax payroll. That would help make it easier to meet the mandate to get under the $189 million threshold in 2014 and earn additional, substantial financial benefits.

  20. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    I really don’t know that there is another way to say it… MLB does not tax contracts. MLB taxes the AAV of contracts that exceed a certain amount of money. Real dollars not being spent has never been an indicator of on-the-books calculations.

    ____________

    NYC is full of attorneys who’d kill to get that case. If MLB collects taxes on a group of players, removes a player from that group and continues to collect taxes on the group of players including the player who is now suspended without pay, the Yankees could surely contest it. And while MLB might wage unprecedented penalty on the Yankees and interpret it differently, they don’t want to be sued. So they better figure out a way to take one or the other. The player or the money.

  21. blake July 28th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    At least one thing is right with the world again…..

  22. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Shame-

    I’m not so sure your right on that one.

    The Yankees have some leverage with Selig by asking for a special ruling.

    For instance, maybe Selig does not want to see A-rod on a field anytime soon but knows he can’t win a lifetime ban. So A-rod appeals this season and can’t be suspended.

    What if the Yankees said we’ll play him if you don’t rule in our favor and make this reasonable exception for next year ?

    If you do we keep him on the bench so you don’t have to see him ?

    A-rod can’t force the Yankees to play him.

    If you don’t he’s going out there as much as possible so he can thumb his nose in your face.

    that might motivate Bud to help the Yanks ? A Quid pro quo.

    ;)

  23. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    But there’s this missing component to your argument which is that the Yankees will in fact receive a credit of whatever amount of salary Alex won’t get in real dollars. In any other world, if someone hands you $20+ million dollars you’re taxed on it lol. The Yankees suing MLB is hardly an issue, they won’t. MLB is doing them a huge favor here.

  24. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    And this whole precedent needs to be set now so perhaps MLB attorneys are fleshing out those details now and that’s why it’s taking so long.

    MLB is about to remove the New York Yankees superstar player.

    They’d better get it right and let the bankers stick to counting beans.

  25. Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Actually mtu arod probably could force the yankees to play him. The mlbpa would be all over collusion in that case. Just like you can’t accidentally bench a player for a month so they don’t reach an easy to attain salary escalator.

  26. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    thank you YT.

    Not much else makes any sense.

    I’m buying that position.

  27. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Here’s the spreadsheet from Cots on the NYY payroll obligations:

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpQLwiiQL4kzEzLhsUqVjLQ&output=html

  28. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Oh MLB is handing the Yankees 20 million dollars?

    lol

    and

    lol

    and

    lol some more

  29. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    What if the Yankees said we’ll play him if you don’t rule in our favor and make this reasonable exception for next year ?

    ——————

    That’s the Yankees problem, not MLBs. By all accounts MLB will get Alex one way or another.

    MLB is doing US a favor, there is no scenario where it is the other way around. Based on the media reports, we’ve been more than happy to help MLB do us that favor.

    If anyone here can find any evidence that the Giants got a payroll discount last year based on Melky’s suspension, I’m open to taking a look at that.

  30. blake July 28th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Project duct tape has failed……if Hal doesn’t shift gears the YS will be a ghost town next year

  31. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Oh MLB is handing the Yankees 20 million dollars?

    lol

    and

    lol

    and

    lol some more

    ———————-

    Yeah it’s almost as laughable as the idea that the Yankees will wage a lawsuit against MLB for signing $200+ million dollars worth of contracts lol.

    This is not just about Arod’s money. IF they get a credit on the real dollars of his salary they can just pay whatever amount it brings them above the LT with that. Why would MLB give them even more of a break…?

  32. eb03 July 28th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/.....ction-call

    The title of this article is hilarious. Blaming the ump for Ortiz’ roid rage.

  33. Hankflorida July 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    The cap must be lifted, and the Yankees must sign Cano and Granderson. They must through trades or free agency find a power hitting third basemen and outfielder to play with Gardener, and YES must give up the Japanese market and find a place for Suzuki to go where he can play regularly. This will cost money, but Hal cannot undo the past of his father’s mistake of buying a lemon like A-Rod by penny pinching to a point that he destroys the future of the team. There is an old Broadway expression, “Will it play in Peoria,” which means that you do not bring a show onto the big stage until it is tested out well in mainstream America. So, Hal, open your pocketbook and get us those players who have played well with other teams and bring them to the biggest stage of them all here in the Big Apple because it’s “Showtime.”

  34. Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “If anyone here can find any evidence that the Giants got a payroll discount last year based on Melky’s suspension, I’m open to taking a look at that.”

    What do you mean by “payroll discount”? Melky was suspended without pay for 50 games, right? Is that in dispute?

    The Giants didn’t pay any luxury tax last season, so Melky’s suspension doesn’t tell us anything about what an Arod suspension would mean, I don’t think.

  35. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I didn’t say the Yankees would wage a lawsuit, only that MLB should be careful not to invite one and let the bankers stick to counting beans.

    I don’t care if the tax is on a “value” of a “collection” of “player(s)”, you’re still indirectly taxing a suspended contract and any attorney should be able to draw that relationship regardless of the language.

  36. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Looks like Hal will lose one customer who would have purchased seasons legends seats.

    ARod perks:, may purchase 4 Legends Suite or comparable season tickets for 2009-17

  37. blake July 28th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I think there needs to be an investigation as to whether or not Alex ordered steroids from Melky’s website

  38. Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    And welcome back, randy.

    You did the right thing by serving out your suspension after losing your bet and now the insurgency has its Karl Marx back.

  39. Jerkface July 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Nick, despite that they did not pay any lt, their payroll was calculated just like every team to see if they would be over.

  40. exiledintampa July 28th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Can Arod be DFA’ed and forced to play in the minors? No one would pick up his contract. It would force him to play where he wouldn’t want to be. Might even increase minor league attendance.

  41. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Since their high water mark, the Yankees are 24-32. They are far below .500 for over one-third of the season. In my eyes, that is who this team is. I am very glad to see Jeter back, but if he optimistically can play and hits .280-.290 with three homers over the rest of the season I don’t see that as changing anything.

    To reach the playoffs nd climb over a number of teams, they have to play far above .500. Does anyone really see that as possibility?

  42. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “If anyone here can find any evidence that the Giants got a payroll discount last year based on Melky’s suspension, I’m open to taking a look at that.”

    What do you mean by “payroll discount”? Melky was suspended without pay for 50 games, right? Is that in dispute?

    The Giants didn’t pay any luxury tax last season, so Melky’s suspension doesn’t tell us anything about what an Arod suspension would mean, I don’t think.

    ——————-

    Melky’s AAV was calculated just like it would have been normally even though they didn’t pay all of it because of the suspension. That’s why it’s relevant, though that seems to be escaping many.

    We’ll see in December if the Brewer’s got a break on Brauns but again, I’m inclined to believe it will be dealt with in the same way and his AAV will be on the books in line with his contract.

  43. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    No offense meant but I think some of you might be a bit too pessimistic for 2014.

    We should know the A-Rod situation fairly soon.

    Hopefully, that will settle all the speculation and debate on the matter.

    I, for one, am hoping for a deal to be cut wherein A-rod is suspended for next season and the Yankees will have some extra payroll to work with.

    You all are free to believe whatever you want.

  44. Jesus Bustero July 28th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    It’s no coincidence we started to lose as soon as Randy was unable to float daily advice through LOHUD to Girardi.

  45. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    blake July 28th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    I think there needs to be an investigation as to whether or not Alex ordered steroids from Melky’s website

    ————————–

    I wouldn’t surprise me if he tried!

  46. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Nick,

    It was widely reported Boras approached the Yankees about an extension. How does that turn into an urban legend? Did you need to be in the room for it to be reality?

  47. Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    So if there official 2012 payroll as it pertained to the luxury tax is posted someplace, that should tell us if the salary reduction due to Melky’s suspension was taken into account. And it’s not just Melky, they had a reliever who came off a suspension during the season. I forget his name.

  48. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    MTU – It’s not about pessimism, it’s about how these suspensions have been handled in the past. All players suspended for PED use have still maintained their on the books AAV. Why people seem to think that for Alex and the Yankees this will be different is incredibly confusing to me.

    What you should be happy about either way is that they will get a real dollars credit for the time with which he is suspended. That means that even if they go slightly above the hard line LT amount, they have money to pay for that which technically was already accounted for. If they plan to do that, I don’t know. But it’s at least a possibility that wouldn’t cost the Steins ‘extra’ money.

  49. blake July 28th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “I wouldn’t surprise me if he tried!”

    Why won’t my order go through!

  50. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Randy, welcome back! I missed your, Garth Iorg, and Bill Spaceman Lee is a dick stories. Imagine, u were on the same field as, Nettles :)

  51. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    So if there official 2012 payroll as it pertained to the luxury tax is posted someplace, that should tell us if the salary reduction due to Melky’s suspension was taken into account. And it’s not just Melky, they had a reliever who came off a suspension during the season. I forget his name.

    —————–

    It’s on Cots and the AAV is what Melky’s contract AAV was – $6 million dollars.

    There is no reduction listed indicating his AAV counted as less because of his suspension.

  52. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Nick

    “Reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form.”
    ? Karl Marx

    Would this explain Randy’s stance on Yankees lack of FO management?

  53. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Here’s the Giant’s 2012 payroll: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dC13WFRROVJ0ZGlobXZ3OWhGWnhmVGc&output=html

  54. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    MTU,

    No doubt I am feeling pessimistic. I think rightfully so until and unless the Yankees become willing to sign good players to multi year contracts. I m so tired of getting players for their last year of baseball.

    Could the team turn it around in the years ahead? Of course, but to turn it around they need to change how they have operated since 2009.

    Any top 100 players in the minors? BA says one and since then he has been in a tailspin. I see no offensive help for a long time.

  55. randy l. July 28th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    nick in sf-

    did you know that the yankees present OPS is .674 which is lower than jesus montero’s lifetime OPS of .699?

    now i’m not sure what conclusions are to be drawn, but for some reason it’s an interesting set of numbers.

    and of course, what is the chance is there that montero at age 23 will improve that OPS as he gets older ?

  56. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    For the record: I’d love to be completely wrong. The more money the Yankees have to work with the better, obviously.

    But in every other suspension, I’ve checked the final payrolls for the year and the AAV amount is not impacted.

  57. Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “It was widely reported Boras approached the Yankees about an extension. How does that turn into an urban legend? Did you need to be in the room for it to be reality?”

    Snark from the Texas heat!

    I don’t need to be in the room for it to be reality, I would just settle for it being reality.

    If there are actually reports that Boras approached the Yankees about an extension, I will gladly concede the point, but I haven’t seen any such reports — I don’t count multiple LoHud posts by someone named “Chip” as credible reports.

    My recollection is that Boras suggested that the Yankees not pick up their friendly team option on Cano and then negotiate a new contract, in effect making Cano a free agent two years early. This was clearly not a serious suggestion and Boras said he was joking.

    Lets see some of those reports and clear this up.

  58. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Shame-

    All I care about is that they have extra money to spend for A-rod’s suspension w/o affecting resetting the tax.

    Other that that I could less about any of these machinations or calculation formulas.

    Personally I find them tedious and boring.

    I’m interesting the Yankees having the maximum financial edge they can have. That’ it.

    Plain and simple.

    I’m not in the least bit interested in parity or improving our competition.

    I want to be able to roll over them like a Monster truck on the way 28 and beyond.

    Money helps.

  59. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Randy,

    But, Hafner, Wells, Soriano and Ichiro are likely to improve, right?

  60. fantasygame101 July 28th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    so if adams is the rh1b, why not let him play 1b in the minors when he was sent down? again showing their lack of plans/visions. If Soriano was not cashman call, then it is the reason why it got done, otherwise there would be no addition up to this point.

  61. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    To many question marks and holes this season.

    If the Yankees lose the next three, ending up one game above .500, and possibly 11 games out of first are they Buyers or Sellers Wednesday?

  62. Kelvin July 28th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Players don’t get paid while suspended. Does it count toward LT? Not sure, but cots wouldn’t represent that. Gotta research deeper.

  63. Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    randy l., I’m not sure why you’re bringing up Montero to me, but I would say the Yankees as a team have a good chance to improve their OPS if they replace some of the current bad players with better players. If they don’t, they won’t.

    Montero has a chance to improve his OPS too, but he also has a chance to be suspended soon, so we don’t really know how that’s going to shake out.

  64. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Nick, the reports were from more than a year ago. I would rather watch the Yankee offensive juggernaut than to spend my day researching it. I will rely on my still effective memory.

  65. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Randy, a Marx devotee’? One of the most brilliant minds of the 19th. century which is interesting since we have been regressing to that century in America since the 70′s!

    As for baseball it appears the Rays are assembling the best starting staff in the game since the Braves trio.

    Scouting and development and not every one a high draft pick!

    Fire Cashman and the entire Tampa cabal, worthless but Oh what a bunch of brownosers sucking the Steinbrenner teat!

    That gents is George’s legacy of player development!

  66. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    YT-

    I’ll say it again. Other than spare parts I don’t see the Yankees as sellers even if they were dead last.

    They just don’t operate that way and that’s it.

    If they do it will be a huge surprise. A real change. One I do not expect to see.

  67. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    MTU, how’s the little one? Sorry, I should have asked straight off the bat, all kidding things Blue Jays aside.

  68. Shame Spencer July 28th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Pssh, we’re on the same page there, MTU. They can still use the real dollar credit for Arod’s contract creatively, including using it as a cushion to go slightly above $189.

    ” Kelvin July 28th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Players don’t get paid while suspended. Does it count toward LT? Not sure, but cots wouldn’t represent that. Gotta research deeper.”

    What Cots tells us is still relevant to the argument though. Essentially, what it shows is that players’ AAVs are static regardless of the real dollars spent because of suspensions. The Yankees could very well fight the idea that Alex’s should count because it has other payroll implications based on their cumulative payroll being so high – but there’s nothing in the CBA or in past suspensions that actually makes it clear it will NOT count. All of the current evidence based on the CBA and past suspensions lends itself to the idea that it will. And that’s the only evidence we have to work with.

    Until this is clarified by MLB or the MLBPA, I really don’t see why anyone would be assuming it doesn’t count.

  69. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Nick,

    The Red Sox tore up Pedroia’s last year. What would have been wrong with Boras asking for that? As I recall it, the Yankees ignored the approach and Boras laughed it off and said never mind.

  70. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I should possibly read, Marx, maybe been caught up in Rand far too long, but I do like individualistic stuff, Gil Evans.

  71. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Mills-

    His auto-immune reaction is greatly improved. We see the specialist again this Mon.

    Unfortunately, it looks like he will lose an eye.

    Thank you for asking and for your concern.

  72. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Sense,

    Only Price was a high pick. The Rays are just much better at drafting and developing.

  73. randy l. July 28th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “Would this explain Randy’s stance on Yankees lack of FO management?”

    my stance is quite simple.

    the yankees used to be starbucks and now they are selling dunlin donut products at starbuck prices.

    and on top of that they are telling you that you are not a real starbuck fan unless you like the toxic heart clogging low quality dunkin donut products.

    and some fans are showing their loyalty by saying ” yum, love that watered down coffee”,
    here’s $5 for a large cup.”

  74. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Shame-

    Then I’m happy. I don’t really care about all that other crap.

    I just want the Yankees to have more financial flexibility.

  75. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    The moment Girardi has been waiting for. Probably started crying when he saw Nix, he was so happy.
    From Murti.

    Jayson Nix (hamstring) is expected to be activated from the disabled list on Tuesday.Nix rejoined the Yankees on Sunday after a brief rehab assignment, but the club will wait until after Monday’s off day to activate him. He’s been out since July 3 with a strained right hamstring. Jul 28 – 10:17 AMSource: Sweeny Murti on Twitter

    Let’s hope Lillibridge goes and not Adams.

  76. Hankflorida July 28th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Mtu, right on as money talks! Cap or no Cap is not the question because either way if Hal doesn’t put a good cast of characters on the field, his show will flop and he will have to take a hit in his pocketbook.

  77. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    fantasygame101 July 28th, 2013 at 11:06 am
    so if adams is the rh1b, why not let him play 1b in the minors when he was sent down? again showing their lack of plans/visions.

    As you said, that would have taken some thinking.

  78. Chip July 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    I’m going to go back to something I said this offseason – the problem that the Yankees have right now is that they have two goals that are in conflict.

    Hal wants to cut payroll but he doesn’t want to sacrifice ticket sales by rebuilding. So you have a GM who (reportedly) wanted to go for midlevel free agents on one year deals like Schierholtz and Martin, who would like to probably trade for young talent but then you have an owner and team president who look at Ichiro vs. Schierholtz and see Ichiro’s hit record chase as a way for them to draw fans and also increase the team’s presence in Japan.

    It wouldn’t shock me if they kept along this path next year and just tried to use Derek’s likely last season as a drawing card instead of re-evaluating how they try to put the team together.

    What you’re looking at is where the Mets were a few years ago – bringing in token players to try and maintain interest and it took a long time for them to hit rock bottom, bring in a team president with a long term vision and rebuild the team.

  79. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Randy,

    But, Hafner, Wells, Soriano and Ichiro are likely to improve, right?

    I guess if they were wine in casks they might.

  80. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    MTU, the fact auto immune is on the rise is systemmically wonderful! Sorry about the isolated eye situation, but at least it seems to be truly isolated at this point. Hugs all around.

  81. eb03 July 28th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Montero’s a bum with no position. his OPS is barely better than the Yankees team OPS. that doesnt indicate anything other than Montero is just a big a piece of trash as most of this current Yankees roster.

  82. Nick in SF July 28th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    “Nick, the reports were from more than a year ago. I would rather watch the Yankee offensive juggernaut than to spend my day researching it. I will rely on my still effective memory.”

    This is why this myth persists, I think. It’s the old “too good to check” standard. A more energetic type has already tried and failed to substantiate the story, although the “Boras was just kidding” story was found.

    “The Red Sox tore up Pedroia’s last year. What would have been wrong with Boras asking for that? As I recall it, the Yankees ignored the approach and Boras laughed it off and said never mind.”

    Not quite the same thing. The Sox aren’t tearing up Pedroia’s 2014, but the extension is superseding the team option for 2015, which is now the first year of the rest of the new contract. Boras said he wanted the Yanks to decline the friendly team option and then negotiate a new contract, but Cano would’ve been a free agent.

  83. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    again bad move playing jeter at SS today…

  84. JT July 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Big crowd today. Matsui is genuinely loved by the fans….

  85. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Continuing the Steinbrenner “buying success legacy”.

    When you think about it he basically followed the same scenario from the 70′s on with the only period where actual player development formed the core was the 90′s with Williams, Jeter, Mo, Andy and Posada.

    That modus operandi has now betrayed the organization and now with the financial rigging governing the sport may well lead to another “dark ages”.

    This is why I believe the opportunity and justification exists to clean house!

  86. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Hank-

    I’m not so patiently waiting to see if the Yankees do some of the other things I think they should do before the TD or whether they come up short and provide more excuses.

    Blake is 1000% correct when he says the Yankees should pick a lane, and getting stuck in the middle is the worst place to be. I don’t want to see them stuck in the middle.

    I figure shoring up is more natural for the Yankees than selling and waving the white flag.

    And a little more money for 2014 might help plug a few more holes in the dyke.

  87. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    joeman July 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am
    again bad move playing jeter at SS today…

    They didn’t put much thought into that did they? Just pencil him in, 38 years old and coming off a broken ankle.

  88. yankeefeminista July 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    We just arrived at the Stadium. Jeets taking bp. I just got my Matsui bobblehead. The place feels Japan; so many Japanese people here to celebrate Matsui. Just like the old days . I’m expecting the Creatures to include Matsui in the role call. Great festive feel. Hoping for a W. Enjoy the pregame and the game!

  89. Hankflorida July 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Comnsnse, comparing the Braves staff to Tampa is for the kids on this blog, how about Feller, Lemon, Garcia and Wynn. With all those arms, the Indians still could not beat “The Big Apple” teams.

  90. yankeefeminista July 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    *roll call

  91. RadioKev July 28th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Get Matsui into the lineup

  92. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    and of course, what is the chance is there that montero at age 23 will improve that OPS as he gets older

    There’s more chance of him improving at 23 the most all of the current roster at 30-37.

  93. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Yf, here’s to the best of days for you in, Japan ( Sting of course was a smashing success there,…as he was everywhere ). I hope Dave Stieb has a seat bedide ya’!

  94. Yankee Trader July 28th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Have to go now. I think most of us agree that the Yankees have too many holes and question marks, this season and in the future.

    Personally I don’t see the Steinbrenner’s selling the team anytime soon. Also don’t see Cashman resigning and therefore forfeiting the last year, three million, on his contract. Based on the arrangements , contract wise for Wells and Soriano, there is little to no doubt the Yankees plan to stay under a Payroll of 189M.

    Have a great day.

    Until later.

  95. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I think, ” bedide ” should be, ” beside “. I hope nobody’s counting.

  96. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Randy, while it’s certainly more complex than the Dunkin Donuts analogy, you’ve hit the nail on the head.

    The only consideration I allow is that the Steinboys and girls have an excellent money management and business oriented team in Trost and Levine.

    It is difficult to fathom why this group sitting on a 3-4 billion dollar brand would not see the implications of the single entity that propels the brand wallowing in mediocrity for long.

    Unless they’ve factored the diminishing valuation with respect to a sale into the price.

  97. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    YT, over and out, see you some Tuesday mourn’.

  98. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    See ya’ YT.

    Sorry you see things so pessimistically but I can understand you POV.

    After a while it seems more productive to look at the glass as half full with an eye towards the future which will no doubt be better.

  99. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    If I owned the Yanks, hopefully I’d have enough to see them properly through.

  100. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    HankinFlorida, of course but I’ll bet most do not recall that Indian staff.

    Younger fans different culture and referrence points.

    However the operative word in your post was “team”and as we know except for 54 the Yanks had the better teams.

    47-64 10 WS wins out of 15 appearances in 17 seasons, absolutely incredible!

  101. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Is Adams at 1st a sound move?
    Why not LillyPad and he flip?

  102. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    “47-64 10 WS wins out of 15 appearances in 17 seasons”

    Good thing Selig wasn’t around or he would have found a way to destroy all that “unfair” success by one Team.

    :)

  103. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    15 appearances in 17 years? Imagining Naomi Watts having breakfast with me is easier; I’m a Leaf fan barely lucid when they last won.

  104. 86w183 July 28th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Good morning all —-

    Almost afternoon, just finished a four hour drive. FWIW ’47 – ’64 is 18 seasons…. still incredibly impressive. Not being picky, but I know comnsnse depends on me for facts.

    Nice to see Jeter back, would be nice if Granderson gets two more hits in Tampa today and comes up tomorrow. Who leaves for Nix? Mesa for Grandy I assume

  105. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    U guys can make 15 appearances in 18, I’m having brunch with, Naomi.

  106. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    No doubt Adams will be sent down when Lillibridge returns. The team evidently loves to play the vets who have prove over their career they cannot hit. Adams at least has some possibility he might.

  107. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Cashman lauds how clutch Matsui was: “Im wearing a ring on my finger – the 2009 ring – because of Matsui’s efforts.”
    ========================================
    Here’s your chance to jump Cash once again as he disses Alex.
    Do it, I dare ya…..

  108. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I mean when Nix returns.

  109. Hankflorida July 28th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Good thing Selig wasn’t around or he would have found a way to destroy all that “unfair” success by one Team.
    Mtu, if you think Selig is bad, look what Landis did to the White Sox team!

  110. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    LillyPad is going nowhere. Adams deserves to play.
    In AAA.

  111. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    86, Hmm, subtle dig? No problem as long as you appreciate that “turn about is fair play”. A smiley face would have softened the dig, and don’t try buttering me up with the damning with faint praise stuff! ;)

    Mills you did have the benefit of seeing one of the best of his generation finally get his ring.

    The great Dave Winfield, under appreciated by dopey Yankee ownership and perhaps many fans.

  112. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    every day…

  113. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
    ==============
    I’m excited.

  114. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Winfield was the Arod of his time but clean.

  115. pkyankfan69 July 28th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    What time does the Matsui coverage start? Is it 12 or 1230?

  116. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Lillibridge has never hit. Never. Great option over one of the Yankees only infield prospects. Let’s see what we have. He will not hit worse than Lillibridge.

  117. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Mick, you jump Cash, me and Naomi will take the ring.

  118. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Mick the mysterious, sometimes I don’t get your allegiances, are you a Cashman supporter?

    Many of your posts seem the opposite, please clarify so I make take issue with you.

    Which of course I’m loathe to do given your humorous if obstreperous nature! ;)

  119. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    LillyPad is more versatile, Adams needs to play everyday.
    In AAA.

  120. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Mick the mysterious, sometimes I don’t get your allegiances, are you a Cashman supporter?
    ===========
    Try and label me, I dare ya…

  121. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Mick,

    Are you too excited over Lillibridge who hit .195 last year and .133 this year? He is trending. Next year, he can go for the sub .100s.

  122. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Adams has now played 2B, 3B and 1B. Seems versatile to me.

  123. mick July 28th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    LillyPad is a ballplayer…

  124. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I’m so glad I got Winfield some years after hitting that seagull – any reasonable Canadian knew he didn’t mean it. Dave still struggled vs the Braves, but at least he managed to squirt one past third making a two time winner of one of my faves, Sir Key.

  125. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Adams has now played 2B, 3B and 1B.
    ============
    2B is his position but he’s no Bobby Richardson.

  126. 86w183 July 28th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Well if Adams is the only one of the group they trust to play 1B then he should stay up and someone else go away.

    The smart thing would be to go with 11 pitchers, but they won’t. Warren could go down and start a couple of times in Scranton. They can always call up Betances if they need to add an arm, but right now the pen is very well rested.

  127. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Time for the Matsui/Jeter Day festivities.
    I hope a good time is had by all with a win capping it off..

  128. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Mick,

    Your label is one who disagrees with anyone about anything. Disagree? :)

  129. MTU July 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Hank-

    I just think Utopia’s stopped right after the Garden of Eden.

    The only one I can think of you can’t experience while alive.

    So I very much doubt Selig or any other human is gonna come up with one.

    I think he has too much unchecked power.

    He’s like a King just lording it over everyone. Handing down edicts and proclamations.

    Everyone under his rule is expected to accept that all of his actions are benevolent and fair.

  130. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Did Mesa go down for Jete?

  131. exiledintampa July 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Win #55 for #55!!!

  132. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Your label is one who disagrees with anyone about anything.
    ======================
    It seems to be according to you, agreed?

  133. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    What happened to the Wells at 1st experiment?
    Adams could DH.

  134. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Of course I agree.

  135. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Lillibridge plays every IF and OF position and very well defensively.

    Now if our esteemed batting coach can change his stance and approach ,he would make an excellent bench guy going forward.

    On another note, I like Girardi as a mgr. and appreciate he must verbally support his player in these sappy interviews with the media.

    But frankly his comments are fodder for daytime soaps, cloying, obvious and cliche’ ridden.

    It’s embarrassing and should be for the reporters as well! ,)

  136. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    ” Obstreperous ” – o.k., that one sends me to, Oxford. Next thing, Trish is going to respond with perspicacious sight. Me, I’m given to enchiridion things.

  137. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Mills, I had to look that one up too, to see who I am, of course.

  138. 86w183 July 28th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Comnsnse — No dig at all… you jabbed me once for pointing out a fact that wasn’t particularly relevant at the time… that’s all.

    I don’t do emoticons… but always assume I’m kidding if there’s any doubt. I try to make my points as directly as possible.

    Winfield was a great player… I think fans appreciated him a lot more than The Boss did.

    Forced a great trade for Mike Witt… Winny went on to hit almost another 100 HR, Witt went a Pavano-esque 8-9, 4.91 as a Yankee.

    Some here need to be reminded the “Good Old Days” of the boss weren’t all good.

  139. austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    I thought Nix was a ballplayer. Is Lillibridge our back up ballplayer?

  140. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Mills, “reasonable Canadians”?

    You mean like Don Cherry, eh? ;)

    My favorite Canadian besides the Rocket was John Candy!

  141. 86w183 July 28th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    I think Hafner to the DL was the move for Jeter.

  142. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Some here need to be reminded the “Good Old Days” of the boss weren’t all good.
    ==============================
    Don’t forget letting Reggie go.

  143. comnsnse July 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Enchiridion, Is that a cousin of a Brontosaurus? ;)

  144. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Obstreperous – turbulent, unruly,…. generally dismissive, I love it! Has a genuine sense of entelechy ’bout it. :)

  145. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Ya think sushi sells out at the Stadium today?

  146. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    realizing one’s potential is an all encompassing task..

  147. Hankflorida July 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    86, as comnsnse wrote the good ole days errr 10 WS and 15 pennants in 17 seasons, but at least George tried!

  148. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 11:25 am
    joeman July 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am
    again bad move playing jeter at SS today…

    They didn’t put much thought into that did they? Just pencil him in, 38 years old and coming off a broken ankle.

    ——————————
    just like playing him before the AS Break

  149. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Nix and LillyPad are all we need.
    They can play every position.

  150. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Get Eddie Feigner to pitch and let Nix play the entire IF with Lilly in the OF.

  151. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    if AROD sits rest of this year and all of next that’s two years away from BB..find it hard to think he’ll be a ML ready player in 15

  152. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Comnsnse, John Candy was, and is, a great soul on SCTV, I suspect involved sleep apnea brought on cardiac failure. He is fondly remembered.

  153. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    No doubt Adams will be sent down when Lillibridge returns. The team evidently loves to play the vets who have prove over their career they cannot hit. Adams at least has some possibility he might.

    I guess they are not convinced after 700 at bats and a .206 lifetime average that Lillibridge cannot hit?

  154. RhapsodyInBlue July 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    John Candy as the Beaver on SCTV was some classic stuff.

  155. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    any way the NYY can get M Trout

  156. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    86w183 July 28th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    I think Hafner to the DL was the move for Jeter.

    Yes he was.

  157. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Nix and Grandy mean Adams and Mesa, youngin need to play.
    In AAA.

  158. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    and that kid from the LAD who’s getting on base at a .750 clip

  159. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Too bad Nunez couldn’t DH today but he could replace Jeter at SS.
    No use losing the DH.
    No doubt Overbay replaces Adams in late innings.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock July 28th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    UnKnown says:
    July 27, 2013 at 11:58 pm
    Might as well end the night with this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxqileiCgeY#at=164

    Dude totally OWNED the 2009 POST

    Alex THE GREAT!!

    Happy Birthday Man.
    ///////

    Awesome post :)

    Alex has
    Not
    Been cropped
    Out (Kremlin style) of the pregame jumbotron highlights here in the Bronx, and
    There was even segment touting his MVP seasons, so that is perhaps of some
    Significance

  161. eb03 July 28th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Matsuiii!!!!

  162. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Or maybe Overbay is sitting in respect to Matsui…

  163. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    The Yanks will soon issue a Return Alex Jersey Day after he is suspended for this and next season.

  164. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    austinmac July 28th, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Adams has now played 2B, 3B and 1B. Seems versatile to me.

    He could be, but it has been so long since the Yankees actually developed a position player they forgot what they are supposed to do with a player once he gets to AAA. That isn’t in any binder including those in the FO.
    They don’t work players out at other positions in the minor leagues. They must believe its easier to learn a new position in the majors.

  165. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Matsui……………he came back now he just might be the 2nd best hitter on the team

  166. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Alfred, Alex could hit, ditto, Barry. All the stuff in the world gets me over certain humps, but I don’t think baseball is included.

  167. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Right. Let’s work out the rookie in the middle of a desperate WC chase.
    Glad you’re not the GM.

  168. GregD July 28th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Nice interview with Matsui

  169. Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    any way the NYY can get M Trout

    Had they drafted him he would be at AA or traded for Jason Vargas.

  170. mick July 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Jeter loves Matsui.
    He knew who the true hero of 09 was.

  171. eb03 July 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    If YES doesnt show the entire ceremony, not just “some of the ceremony” as DUI Bob Lorenz just said, then YES is a disgrace. Well, YES is already a disgrace.

  172. joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Hans Davenport July 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    joeman July 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    any way the NYY can get M Trout

    Had they drafted him he would be at AA or traded for Jason Vargas.

    ——————-
    or on the DL

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    next==>>(no negativity allowed today)

  174. jmills July 28th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    ” No negativity allowed ” – promises, promises. Have an amazing one, everybody!

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