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ICYMI: Martinez out at Marlins hitting coach

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just in case this one didn’t get your attention yesterday, former Yankees first baseman Tino Martinez resigned as the Marlins hitting coach yesterday. The resignation came after players complained about Martinez’s methods, which were seen as harsh and — in at least one instance — physically intimidating. Here’s the AP:

97a753aa3e56e419380f6a706700080cMIAMI (AP) — Tino Martinez resigned as the Miami Marlins’ hitting coach hours after complaints by players that he verbally abused them became public.

In one instance, Martinez acknowledged he angrily grabbed a player.

Martinez was in his first year as a professional coach this year. He sat in the dugout during Sunday’s 3-2 win over the Pittsburgh Pirates, then met with Marlins officials and resigned.

“I want to apologize to the Marlins organization for my behavior,” Martinez said. “I have made some comments to certain players at certain times that I thought was more constructive criticism. Obviously, they didn’t feel that way, and it kind of backfired on me.”

Martinez said he once touched a player in anger, grabbing rookie Derek Dietrich by the jersey in the batting cage early this season. Dietrich, demoted last Monday to Double-A Jacksonville, was among the players to complain.

Martinez said he offered to resign earlier, but team owner Jeffrey Loria wanted him to stay on the job. When the complaints by players became public in a story Sunday by the Miami Herald, Martinez became certain he should resign.

“It has been building for a few days,” he said. “I didn’t know this was going to come out publicly. When this came out, I thought it was the right thing to do.”

Marlins minor league field coordinator John Pierson will become interim hitting coach. First-year manager Mike Redmond said everyone in the organization was disappointed with the outcome of Martinez’ brief tenure.

“Coaching’s tough,” Redmond said. “Going from a player to a coach is hard, and part of the grind is learning how to deal with different situations with different players and different personalities. All that stuff is a challenge. Some people can do it, and some people can’t.”

The young Marlins rank last in the majors in runs, home runs, batting and slugging, and the 45-year-old Martinez said he became frustrated as players struggled.

“I just thought with some young players you needed to be a little firmer and try to get them on the right track,” he said. “I probably used some four-letter words. I thought I was doing the right thing. Obviously, I wasn’t.”

Martinez batted .271 with 339 home runs, and he was a four-time World Series champion with the New York Yankees. He had a three-year contract with the Marlins but said because he resigned, he’ll receive no buyout.

He declined to speculate on whether he’ll coach again.

“I don’t know long term how it’s going to affect me,” he said. “Right now I’m disappointed in myself. I’m embarrassed. Right now I’m not worried about the future. I just want to make sure my family is OK.”

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38 Responses to “ICYMI: Martinez out at Marlins hitting coach”

  1. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Good read, WTP.

    (Conte said that designer or stealth steroids are now detectable and have fallen out of use.)

    So they go old-school, come back and use fast-acting testosterone, like your body produces. The only way to (detect) is using this CIR testing, for $400 bucks a pop, and they’re testing these guys, on the average in baseball, twice a year. . .Here’s what my understanding is. . .They test in spring training, then, shortly after training camp, early in May, damn, these high-profile players get tested again, and in most cases, what does that mean? Green light, open season, “I’ve had both tests.”

    If they’re going to give you that (loophole), and you know other guys are doing (steroids), you calculate the risk-to-return. What (punishment) are you going to get, 50 games? The incentive is too great and the consequences too minimal.

    What’s the biggest lie of all? It’s Bud Selig saying, “The steroid era is over.”
    —————————————————————————————————
    Bud Selig saying the steroid era is over
    was like George Bush giving a speech in May 2003, on USS Abraham Lincoln with the “Mission Accomplished” banner hanging behind him.

  2. G. Love July 29th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    This story about Tino is just bizarre.

    He had some really great examples as coaches with the Yankees to follow unless Chambliss was putting him into walls when he’d go 0-4 and no one reported that stuff.

  3. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Theoretically, it would be a step in the right direction to save $25M in 2014 from A-Rod’s contract but only if that money is used on other resources, but as Chip rightfully argues, who knows if that saved money will be spent at all or will it simply be relocated to that hiding place under Hal’s mattress.

    However, and I’ll repeat the argument I’ve been making in recent days, I’m not exactly confident this front office would even spend that $25M wisely given their recent [and abysmal] track record on really stupid contracts (ie: Youkilis, Ichiro, Wells, Hafner, and Soriano).

    If I had a choice between another $25M unwisely spent or not spent at all I’d have to choose not spent at all and not think twice about it.

  4. blake July 29th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Doesn’t sound like Tinos character and honestly sounds like some fringy prospect decided to make a big deal of somebody trying to make him better…..who knows….I got cussed at all the time growing up by coaches…..it was part of the game

  5. bruceb July 29th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Was that a case of roid rage from Big Pappy in the dugout at Camden Yards on Saturday?

    I sure hope MLB is investigating…or perhaps they’re too busy nailing down the ARod ban? Either way, the time has come to put up or shut up. Fed up reading that the bans are coming down tomorrow or some time next week. Enough already.

  6. Kelvin July 29th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Lol I kept getting redirected to School blog post. Weird stuff going on today, blame A-rod for it, why not.

  7. Chip July 29th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Would Arizona be willing to deal Chris Owings (ss) and Matt Davidson (3b) for Hughes, Robertson and a good prospect like Mason Williams?

    Yankees get a 3b and SS who could contribute at the big league level as soon as next season in return for only one player who would contribute next year.

    Arizona fortifies their pitching staff and their pen and trades away two highly rated prospects who are blocked by Prado/Goldschmidt (Davidson) and by Gregorious/Hill (Owings)

  8. Chip July 29th, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    bruceb July 29th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Was that a case of roid rage from Big Pappy in the dugout at Camden Yards on Saturday?

    I sure hope MLB is investigating…or perhaps they’re too busy nailing down the ARod ban? Either way, the time has come to put up or shut up. Fed up reading that the bans are coming down tomorrow or some time next week. Enough already.
    ——————

    MLB has investigated the incident and declined to suspend him.

  9. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    bruceb July 29th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    Was that a case of roid rage from Big Pappy in the dugout at Camden Yards on Saturday?

    I sure hope MLB is investigating…or perhaps they’re too busy nailing down the ARod ban? Either way, the time has come to put up or shut up. Fed up reading that the bans are coming down tomorrow or some time next week. Enough already.
    =====================================

    Pappy went and got 4 hits yesterday & the MLB.com site reported it like he was a hero !

    …and he can drop the F-Bomb in front of a whole stadium; and it was ‘just fine’.

    Damn – they (RS) always get away from any negative in the national press (even last year with the ‘chicken suckers’ they got off easy.

  10. JimK July 29th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Tino was probably just channeling his “inner Pinella.”

  11. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Chip July 29th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
    Would Arizona be willing to deal Chris Owings (ss) and Matt Davidson (3b) for Hughes, Robertson and a good prospect like Mason Williams?

    Yankees get a 3b and SS who could contribute at the big league level as soon as next season in return for only one player who would contribute next year.

    Arizona fortifies their pitching staff and their pen and trades away two highly rated prospects who are blocked by Prado/Goldschmidt (Davidson) and by Gregorious/Hill (Owings)
    =================

    Would hate to trade away Robertson; but you have to trade someting to get something back.

    (have them throw in a AA OFer, too )

  12. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    something (sorry)

  13. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    JimK,

    Thank you for that link. There are indeed ‘Rules’ that are not publicly posted on MLB’s website, which is annoying, which govern a lot of the transactions. However, I think you’re misinterpreting it. First though, re: the JDA. ‘But for’ means in this case that a player gains service time while on the restricted list for the days they would have gained service BUT FOR their inclusion on the restricted list. There are only 180 total service days in a season (post seasons dont count), with the max gaineed being 172, so its basically saying that a player gains service in that time even if they are restricted and would not gain service in any other manner.

    And of course the CBA backs this up:

    (2) For purposes of calculating credited service, a Player will be
    considered to be on a Club’s Active List if:
    (a) placed on a disciplinary suspension by a Club, the Senior
    Vice President, Standards and On-Field Operations or the Commissioner, or on the Disabled List; or
    As for your rule. ‘Player limits’ is regarding the active and reserve roster for a team which has a player limit of 25 and 40 respectively. There is no player limit in the luxury tax.

    Again, there is nothing written that states a restricted list player does not count. The closest I have ever found is the general rule that ‘All players on the active list must be counted’. Which is not exclusionary of the restricted list.

  14. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    JimK July 29th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    Tino was probably just channeling his “inner Pinella.”
    =====================================

    Think anyone listened to “Lou” ?

    Think he was ‘colorful’ ?

    Wimpy kid(s)….

    PS: don’t trade those ‘tattle-tale’ prospects to NY….

    (even worse – better not trade them to Philly – they’ll make them cry every day !!!)

  15. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    We know what a ‘Player Limit’ is because it is defined in the CBA. It is not defined as anything to do with the CBT, and of course players do not have to be on the 25 man or 40 man roster to count against the teams luxury tax threshold!

  16. Chip July 29th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Again, there is nothing written that states a restricted list player does not count. The closest I have ever found is the general rule that ‘All players on the active list must be counted’. Which is not exclusionary of the restricted list.
    ——————————————

    But it doesn’t matter if Alex counts towards the LT or not.

    Let’s say that the payroll next season is $205 mil – they would then owe approximately $24/$25 mil in luxury tax – but with Alex suspended, $25 mil of the $205 is phantom money (money they don’t actually have to pay) so in terms of financial outlay – the Yankees would be breaking even.

  17. JimK July 29th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Chip, I looked up the AZ prospects you mentioned and I doubt that the D’Backs would let Davidson go for Hughes and Robertson and Williams. Davidson was the Futures Games MVP and Williams aside from his DUI is not hitting at A ball.

  18. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    This incident with Martinez is yet another example why hard ass or drill sergeant coaches/managers don’t usually mesh very well in MLB clubhouses anymore.

    Those kinds of personalities are much less accepted now than when guys like Billy Martin and Earl Weaver were managing.

  19. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    @TJQuinnOTLESPN

    LoHud Yankees blog down. ARod responsible. Account will be suspended
    pending further investigation

  20. Hankflorida July 29th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Comnsnse, I agree with you that steroids pales before the mark of gambling, but my point was Landis used the term for baseball to maintain a clean image because even though a jury exonerated them, they had tainted the game. Clean image is a precedent that is recorded and can be interpreted by a judge to apply to even steroids that is not in the same category as gambling. I am sure that A-Rod’s lawyers have advised himof the “Eight Men Out” and to quote from Woody Allen’s movie, “Crime and Misdemeanors,” there may be a thin line between the two.

  21. MG July 29th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    eb03 July 29th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    at least Weiner is paying the price, karma-wise, for defending Ortiz like he defended nobody else.
    ————————
    you are such a low life piece of sh*t

  22. SonyBravo July 29th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Strange story about Tino. So much athlete misbehavior comes as no surprise at all, and then there’s the rare case that kind of throws me – like Andy Pettitte taking PEDs. Tino has never come across as anything but a super guy.

    But I guess there’s something in hyper-competitive guys like Tino and Paul O’Neill that turns humble, mild-mannered family men into water-cooler-smashing, bat-splintering, and (now) player-abusing freaks within the baseball sphere. Some people really compartmentalize.

    Not that that’s any excuse, as if they’re Incredible Hulks who can’t control it. I’m disappointed to hear this about Tino. Still love the guy, but disappointed. Hope he gets another chance somewhere, but he needs to get a grip.

  23. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Chip,

    I dunno about that, I think they really wanted the revenue sharing money, which the phantom money would not give them back. In fact, I think there would be public pressure for the team to spend that phantom money anyways.

    86w,

    The CBA does not say anything about what you are constantly touting as the truth. Please cite your sources, tia.

  24. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    How severe were Tino’s “hurtful words” ???

  25. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    The Tino situation tells me one thing and one thing only:
    Marlins players are “soft”.

  26. CompassRosy July 29th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Very strange and surprising about Tino. He seemed like one of the most mild-mannered players around (maybe not to Edgar’s level, but close) when he was with the Mariners.

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

    As I predicted last night, amid the trade speculation re: Morse . . .
    Mariners have activated Michael Morse from the disabled list and DFA’d Jason Bay

  27. joeman July 29th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    if this was up already..sorry

    According to the New York Daily News, MLB officials “hope to know by Monday” if Alex Rodriguez will accept a deal for his role in the Biogenesis case.
    That deal, according to various reports, would leave A-Rod with a suspension that covers the remainder of the 2013 season and all of 2014. If the veteran third baseman does not accept that sentence and instead tries to fight for something lesser, he could wind up with a lifetime ban. Accepting MLB’s offer would allow Rodriguez to keep a large majority of the $100-or-so million that he is still owed from the Yankees.

  28. JimK July 29th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    JF, I guess we will have to agree to disagree; why add the ‘but for” language as it adds nothing to the first part of the sentence: ” A player suspended under this section 7 shall receive major league service while suspended during any period he would have received such service…”
    If your interpretation is correct the “but for” language is unnecessary, which is contrary to standard contract and statutory interpretation.

  29. bruceb July 29th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    I know this will come across as heresy but maybe behind the public persona, Tino has a nasty streak inside of him?

    Can’t be easy playing on a team that wins every year and then coaching a bunch of perennial losers. Some former players just aren’t cut out for it.

    This story would have been much more believable had it been Paul O’Neill. I could imagine him getting into it in the clubhouse alright!

  30. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Joeman
    Based on your report, sounds like MLB is playing hardball with ARod.

    I hope ARod sends what they are pitching to him over the wall in Center field.
    A no doubt HR. 450 feet or more.

  31. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Gotta wonder when karma is going to bite C R 9 on the ass.

  32. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    JimK,

    Then why would the CBA say the same thing in the exact words you’re asking for? You’re reading it wrong because the way the sentence is designed tells you the meaning of ‘but for’.

    It states players on the restricted list ‘shall receive service while suspended during any period he WOULD have received serviced BUT FOR his placement on the restricted list’. The WOULD and the BUT FOR work together to tell you that the player is receiving their service rather than not receiving their service.

    By your same logic, why the use of the but for language when they could have easily said ‘a player on the restricted list does not receive service time’? Its because they do receive service as laid out in the CBA.

  33. astrocityfan July 29th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    if i was arod id take the deal. but pride is a terrible thing and can make people do stupid things.

    As an aside, reports this weekend said Hal made Cashman trade for Soriano because he wanted to win. so this would lead me to conclude that if he had extra money to spend he would spend it on players. Maybe not wisely but still…

  34. blake July 29th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Hal just wants it to seem like he cares….it’s false hustle

  35. Hankflorida July 29th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Astrocityfan, I hope your words are true and Hal is willing to spend, and maybe not wisely has been there for George as he tried to copy Ed Barrow and George Weiss; but at least, George tried, and I think that is what a fan wants in the owner of a ball club.

  36. filthy slider July 29th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Sounds like Mike Redmond couldn’t wait to turn the knife in Tino’s back. I’ll cheer when Redmond gets canned, I shouldn’t have to wait to long.

  37. J.R. NYY July 29th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    i find this so pathetic. how big a wuss are these marlins so he grabbed a kids jersey or used the f word. its ridiculous and now Tino has to resign like a degenerate, i hope he comes back to NY we could use that kind of guy around here.

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