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Rodriguez’s lawyer gearing up for appeal

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alex RodriguezWith Biogenesis suspensions expected any day now, Alex Rodriguez’s lawyer says his client has no intention of bargaining with Major League Baseball for a lesser sentence.

If he goes down, it seems, he’ll going down fighting.

“We’re still involved in the process of preparing for an eventual appeal in this matter,” David Cornwell told ESPN radio this afternoon. “My understanding is that the next step that is going to be taken is that the Players’ Association and (Major League) Baseball will meet to discuss the investigation and Baseball’s focus on particular players. So we’ll see how that process plays out, but at this point, my understanding or my expectation is that we’re going to be working through the process toward an appeal.”

Cornwell’s interview came exactly one week after Ryan Braun — who’s actually won a suspension appeal in the past, with Cornwell as his lawyer — elected not to fight the league over its Biogenesis investigation. Rodriguez’s defiance comes even amid reports that the league could seek a lifetime suspension based on the current evidence and past transgressions.

“Obviously they believe that (Biogenesis chief Anthony Bosch) is credible,” Cornwell said. “I have my concerns. But what’s most important is whether or not arbitrator (Fredric) Horowitz will believe that he’s credible or not. That’s something we will present in the hearing room. … We believe that we have good, valid and strong defenses for Alex, and we intend to present them when the time comes.”

Although Cornwell did not get into specifics, he seemed to reveal at least some of his defense strategy when he questioned the “authenticity” and “reliability” of Biogenesis documents that were leaked to a Miami newspaper in January.

“What’s been made public are various documents that a disgruntled ex-employee of Biogenesis allegedly stole,” Cornwell said.

What would Cornwell consider a “win” in this appeal process?

“No discipline, obviously,” he said. “That’s easy.”

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710 Responses to “Rodriguez’s lawyer gearing up for appeal”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    YAWN!

    Typical defense lawyer talk.

  2. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    It’s inevitable that someone will test the credibility of Boesh.
    Some other Arod devotees might follow suit esp Melky.

  3. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Trish
    Based on your answer above, why do you feel that
    ARod is guilty of PED use at the Biogenesis clinic?

  4. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    While you are indeed correct somewhat in your statement regarding cheating, it is a matter of truly crossing the line that is now in question with PEDS.

    Cheating by stealing signs, spitballs, sandpaper, files, vaseline, loading bats, pinetar (LOL!), freezing the baseballs, watering the infield extra, tall grass, raising or lowering the mound & etc. are all temporary & also are part of the game to get an edge so to speak. (Yogi in CF with binoculars signallig the pitches.) Every team has done something along these lines.

    While individuals like Bonds & ARod get scrutinized and others get lifted up like McGwire, Ortiz, Bagwell & even Caminetti (before he died) it is much more prolific & basically undetectable from a team or league standpoint.

    Did you ever wonder why the RSox all had beards? Note it hides a lot of the effects of steroids & HGH. Certain kinds of injuries also are resultants on PEDs useage & lots of players have had them as well.

    Clearly PEDs is an issue, but not one that MLB truly wants to rid themselves of. PEDs affectes viewership with productions that bring FANS. If MLB could somehow show a strong stance on PEDs w/o really doing anything it would benefit them to do so. ARod is the poster boy for this. So you knock ARod out & trump up the Braun (he’s injured anyway & affects the Commish’s payroll positively) and you keep the outsiders (Congress & Fans) from interferring.

    ARod is a lightning rod. So he will blaze out & MLB will enjoy the burning at the stake. Ortiz, Kemp, Bautista, Cabrera, Sandoval, Howard etc all get passes.

    Things are not as they appear! Perhaps the STFU from Cashman was basically to distract our attention from the Yankee benefits & MLB benefits to having a scapegoat for PEDs. I wonder!

  5. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
    Wow. disgusting.
    ==========
    It’s not b/c you have Arod love is it?

    ——————

    There is a certain line fans should not cross. Whatever anyone thinks about Alex wishing he gets a career ending injury is messed up no matter how you slice it.

  6. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Here’s a question some of you should ask yourselves and then
    kindly answer for me.

    Who do you trust more?

    Victor Conte
    or Bud Selig

  7. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    How do guys who do steroids and other PEDs jeopardize their lives of others who don’t?

    Has A-Rod jeopardized the lives of Jeter, Mo, and everyone else because of his PED use?

    You’ll have to explain that one.

  8. fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    AROD will get suspended one way or the other. Selig will not let him getaway just like braun. Selig’s legacy is at stake so he will do his very best.

  9. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    I am just coming on and haven’t backread. Who wished that Alex would get a career ending injury? That is low.

  10. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    “Trish
    Based on your answer above, why do you feel that
    ARod is guilty of PED use at the Biogenesis clinic?”

    Because I believe that the evidence they have is highly credible. I’ve practiced law long enough to be able to have a pretty good handle on party behavior, and people who are indemnifed with the threat of prison over their heads if they are found to be lying tend to tell the truth.

  11. austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Trisha,

    You must get that to be a trial lawyer. Otherwise, you arbitrate truth. That’s correct?

    Do you or do you not believe in the fundamental right to a trial by jury as dictated by our constitution? That system calls for what I just expressed.

  12. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
    AROD will get suspended one way or the other. Selig will not let him getaway just like braun. Selig’s legacy is at stake so he will do his very best.
    ——————————————————————–
    You can say that again.
    Bud will go so far as to make up claims against ARod, pay key witnesses
    a large sum of $$ for their testimony, etc….

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    “Whatever anyone thinks about Alex wishing he gets a career ending injury is messed up no matter how you slice it.”

    Oh well. That’s how little I hope he comes back.

    “I am just coming on and haven’t backread. Who wished that Alex would get a career ending injury? That is low.”

    I did, and I think people who want a known cheater back on the field are equally low.

  14. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    The only thing this big monkey is a gonna appeal is a banana.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    There is a certain line fans should not cross. Whatever anyone thinks about Alex wishing he gets a career ending injury is messed up no matter how you slice it.
    ///

    It is sick.

  16. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    “Whatever anyone thinks about Alex wishing he gets a career ending injury is messed up no matter how you slice it.”

    Oh well. That’s how little I hope he comes back.

    “I am just coming on and haven’t backread. Who wished that Alex would get a career ending injury? That is low.”

    I did, and I think people who want a known cheater back on the field are equally low.
    ——————————————————-
    Trisha-
    You are out of line. I want to think you are intelligent enough to know this.
    Wishing a career ending injury is foolish.

  17. austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    The Yankees are down by a run in the ninth with runners on second and third and your team, the Yankees, send AROD to the plate. Who wants him to make an out and who wants him to get the game winning hit?

    If they send him up, he’s a Yankee to me. Get a hit.

  18. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Arod can appeal and likely push this off of 2013, but in the end he is likely to end up losing 2014 and that is fine with me because i would love a full year of not having to hear every bit of arod drama….

  19. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    How do guys who do steroids and other PEDs jeopardize their lives of others who don’t?
    =======================
    by lives i meant livelihoods and lives as others would need to keep up thru artificial means which could threaten their life and health as well as the loss of their jobs which indeed would effect their and their families lives.

  20. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    I wonder if he has no intention of bargaining for a lesser sentence because MLB never put that on the table and want him out of the game.

  21. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Mac
    Give me that base hit 7 days a week.
    He’s a Yankee. I want him to succeed.

    If he was wearing another uniform, I would hope that
    he did not get a hit in that clutch situation.

  22. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    well spoken mick.

    what’s wrong with hoping for a career ending injury. it’s not like she asked for alex to be maimed or lose a limb. so if he tears an acl and mcl and cant come back to play, is it that big a deal considering the money he’s made in his career. let’s get off our high horses.

  23. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    No one is forced to do PEDs, one player using them does not force anyone else to use them. Results not guaranteed for anyone and as you all believe players like Jeter have been able to skirt by without them there will always be those capable of doing so.

    Ray, I’m not sure I understand what is so ‘permanent’ about PEDs that you think those other methods of cheating are ‘temporary’? Cheating is cheating. Those things are against the rules as written.

  24. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Trisha!

    Hello! Defense Lawyer speak is YAWN, but let’s just suppose it is true? What would a defense lawyer say?

    While 99% of me says ARod is guilty, there is the 1%. I mean people have been killed that were innocent but the evidence seemed overwhelming. We have only heard one side from an ever gleeful group at that. I mean MLB needed a PED example & here ARod seemed to walk right to them on this.

    1.) In a murder case would evidence from a convicted felon stole from someone else be used as sole evidence t convict?

    2.) Would evidence leaked out to a jury by the prosecution be deemed complete & without rebuttal?

    3.) Could someone be framing ARod? Is there the potential for this since supposedly he was told to purchase information or be turned in. (Do you beat your wife often would be an appropriate question here that correlates.)

    4.) Suppose ARod’s cousin did the buying & the cousin supplied a bunch of people would that tie ARod to this? Do we think families don’t do things like that?

    Honestly we may never know what the real truth is in this case. (At least until ARod writes his book & no one sues him! LOL!) I look forward to the reading the chapter on the Bud jerk!

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Nick in SF: I may have been literally wrong, but spiritually, I was right on. These two are soulmates.

  26. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    and you are a punk.

  27. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    “Whatever anyone thinks about Alex wishing he gets a career ending injury is messed up no matter how you slice it.”

    Oh well. That’s how little I hope he comes back.

    ——————–

    I understand but still it’s just messed up. Trisha you would be surprised how many athletes live lives that we never get to hear. You would be surprised t some of the stuff they are involved in. Arod’s dirty laundry is out in the open.

  28. Ys Guy July 29th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    francesa must be up in saratoga if arod’s mouthpiece went on with kay.

  29. fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    To what extent does use of steroids affects the user’s life? the alleged users like bonds, Clemens, etc seems to still be ok. If it is not life threatening or even not something like you can not walk anymore, then it is not really an issue so anybody can take it and there still be balance in sports. The troubling part of this being not acceptable is that players does not do them properly which will results in even life threatening or injuries that would be avoided if done properly.

  30. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    blake says:
    July 29, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    I want the game clean…..the only thing that bothers me is the sanctimony that gets brown around any time you talk about PEDs….some folks act like that Arod woukd have been some fringe bench player without help…..which is crazy and they also act like they are 100% sure that all the player from back in the golden years were all white as snow and totally clean when nobody knows.

    I’ve heard more public outcry over Arod and Braun than over what Aaron Herndanez did and that’s the truth

  31. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    arod thumbs his nose at the world just like pete rose, who is back in the news by some strange coincidence.

  32. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    PEDs should be legalized because prohibition doesn’t work and actually does endanger players as they are forced to go through sketchy avenues to use. PED use is wide spread across every sport, and in the Olympics the teams are able to use healthily under doctor supervision. Let baseball players use under doctor supervision and then we don’t have to worry as much about side effects.

    Prolongs the playing career of good players, lets players return from injury faster, helps them to play the long schedule.

    They will eventually be legal anyways, so may as well get the head start and educate the players about proper usage.

  33. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    No one is forced to do PEDs, one player using them does not force anyone else to use them.

    ——————-

    It’s like any other drug in the world we live in. You choose to do it or not.

  34. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    If Arod is dead set on appealing then the Yanks won’t have much choice but to activate and play him

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    “Do you or do you not believe in the fundamental right to a trial by jury as dictated by our constitution? That system calls for what I just expressed.”

    Of course that’s the ideal, isn’t it austin? We both know however that the courts are replete with attorneys who will throw any defense up there to get there clients off, even knowing their clients are guilty as sin. Winess OJ. That tend to cause someone with a strong ethical base to feel somewhat jaded.

    But if you are getting to specifics and wondering if I believe Arod should be given a fair trial before he’s adjudged guilty, I guess I’d have to answer yes as a practical matter. That said, based on all of the reading I’ve done on what’s out there for evidence, based on what Boesch has to lose if he lies, and based on the precedent already set with Braun’s suspension in this case, I am highly comfortable that Arod has had illegal dealings with Biogenesis. JMO but it is MO.

  36. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    To what extent does use of steroids affects the user’s life? the alleged users like bonds, Clemens, etc seems to still be ok.
    =============
    how is caminnitti doing?

  37. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Or Junior Seau.

  38. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Lyle Alzado

  39. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
    arod thumbs his nose at the world just like pete rose, who is back in the news by some strange coincidence.
    ———————————
    Pete Rose should be in the HOF as a player.

  40. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    blake, and what aaron hernandez did, he may have done a double murder only a month before receiving a new $40m contract with 2 years left on his rookie contract. the only outcry is towards the Gators from 6 years ago, not even his pro team that harbored him and taught him that winning is everything.

  41. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    How do guys who do steroids and other PEDs jeopardize their lives of others who don’t?
    =======================
    by lives i meant livelihoods and lives as others would need to keep up thru artificial means which could threaten their life and health as well as the loss of their jobs which indeed would effect their and their families lives.

    ——-

    I think you’re really reaching there.

    Players who don’t want to do PEDs won’t do them. But if they do choose to do PEDs they know and accept the risks involved if they get caught.

    Selig and the rest of the moral authority on PEDs won’t find “Hey, A-Rod and Braun were doing it so I had to do it to keep up” as a good excuse.

    In fact, they might tack on a few more games to their suspension just for having such a weak excuse.

  42. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    “PED use is wide spread across every sport,”

    There’s no evidence to support that at all.

  43. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Junior Seau died from all the concussions he received playing a violent sport.

  44. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Until folks can talk about this stuff with proper perspective I have a hard time taking it all seriously.

    The problem with the whole thing is that a player can get a DUI and put themselves and numerous other people in danger and it’s a story for about 5 minutes then it’s gone and nobody cares ……but somebody taking PeDs is a major story for months….

    There is no perspective to the story or the topic at all

  45. fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    maybe caminiti did it the wrong way or it is not steroid related? if not properly administered, steroid could be more dangerous.

  46. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Junior Say-Ow!

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    “some folks act like that Arod woukd have been some fringe bench player without help”

    Funny you say that. I heard some sportscasters postulate that for all we know, Arod could hae been using from the time he was in high school. Unfortunately, that’s what this kind of cheating does.

    **************

    About jeopardizing player’s lives, do you remember Clemens’ roid rage when he flattened Piazza like a pancake when he beaned him, and when he threw the bat shard at him, saying he thought it was the ball?

    Those are potentially life-threatening injuries.

  48. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    I think you’re really reaching there.
    ==================
    I think you miss the point.
    You, being a user, condone it.
    I would be petrified to try it.
    It would be evident that you are playing above your head by using.
    In order for me to keep up, I would have to use or lose my job to you or some other user.

  49. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    I cannot believe someone is arguing for legalization of steroids in america. Maybe someone can argue for legalization of crack and heroine next.

  50. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Wow, Tino had to close his Twitter account after he *ahem* accidentally retweeted something about the Marlin players being soft…

  51. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    There is no perspective to the story or the topic at all
    ==============
    The perspective is that it takes the integrity out of the game.
    Nothing can be viewed as real, just like gambling does.

  52. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Maybe someone can argue for legalization of crack and heroine next.

    Sure, legalize them too.

  53. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    If A-Rod doesn’t take a plea, then I’d like to see him banned for life.

    The man is delusional.

  54. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Nothing can be viewed as real, just like gambling does.

    Haha they are not even the same. Gambling within the game puts the outcomes as being decided by the players at risk. PEDs do not.

  55. comet July 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    JF where do you get the notion that Olympic athletes can legally do PEDS? The Olympics keeps blood samples for over a decade and retests for PEDS as advances in science allow better screening. In the last year Medals were taken away from athletes who were caught in the shot put competition.

    http://rt.com/sport/olympic-me.....oping-391/

  56. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Ray Lewis got caught taking somethin that essentially metabolizes into HGH in the body before the Super Bowl……he played and NOBODY cared

  57. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    “Olympics the teams are able to use PEDS healthily under doctor supervision”

    PED use in the Olympics is prohibited.

  58. I Am Winning July 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    He is appealing because he didnt do anything? Well than why isn’t he going after Bosch? If he purposefully and willingly lied about him takin steroids or if he prescribed him something laced with steroids, I would being Bosch to court, first and foremost. This would LEGALLY clear his name. But he doesn’t seem interested in that, an is hoping to strike lightning in a bottle with this appeal.

    I will say it is lack of integer and common knowledge that ARod is being ripped apart, when a vast majority of other players, present and past, have done it. This isn’t an ARod issue, per say, but a sports issue. Plenty of people have made their millions off of performance enhancing drugs. ARod isn’t any more guilty than every other cheater in the game.

  59. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Shame
    Why did Tino have a twitter account?
    C’mon, like he really needs that.
    Unless of course it was mandatory per the Marlins organization

  60. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    You, being a user, condone it.

    ———–

    So, I’m a user now?

    That’s news to me.

  61. fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    My next question, is steroid illegal or you need a prescription to use them? if it is illegal then this should be a law enforcement case too.

  62. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    Maybe someone can argue for legalization of crack and heroine next.

    Sure, legalize them too.
    ———

    There’s actually a pretty solid argument about crack and heroine, but it’s not really worth getting into…

  63. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    I played baseball in college & an umpire literally asked me if a ball hit me & I told him no. My coach didn’t like that. I also had an ump call a ball right down the middle & the catcher asked the ump where was that pitch. The ump said right down the middle & that he had driven over 200 miles to umpire this game & he wasn’t going to call Ray (me) out on strikes!

    Honestly, one should never attempt to steal signs, but everyone does. You aren’t suppose to look at the catcher when he is giving the pitch sign, but hitters do. Catchers aren’t suppose to throw dirt on the hitter’s foot, but they do. These kind of things that a team can acknowledge & do something about on a game by game basis is not truly cheating. It ain’t cheating if everyone is doing it so to speak & everyone can retaliate too.

    I once told a hitter that peeked all the time that a fastball was coming & if he swung at it the next pitch to him will be at his head. He didn’t believe me but he swung & missed it. The next pitch was at hi head & it barely missed him. I told him if he ever looked again he would be hit & he would be hit every time he came up even if it was by me trying to throw to a base. He was my target. He never looked again!

    PEDs are being used by ? 60% of the MLB players by multiple accounts. They are undetectable due to the program for testing. Only the stupid or overindulgent get caught from testing. There isn’t much retaliation or correction available.

    IMO Bonds only started using PEDs when Mac & Sosa went ballistic with HR & glory because of PEDs. So Bonds who was a far supperior athelete did it to put his status in line with them. ARod probably did the same thing.

    Ortiz, Youk, Manny, Miggy etc are all probably users & are getting glorifed w/o discretion & ARod was compared to them as not being on their level! I’m sure he knew they were/are or aare not users & perhaps he justified using.

  64. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    i am very liberal, would love to hear it, RadioKev.

  65. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    So, I’m a user now?
    ============
    Didn’t you once admit to that?

  66. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Everyone on here be careful when responding to certain posters.

  67. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Pete Rose gambled as a manager, not a player.

    How does that disqualify him from entering the HOF as
    a player??

    Pure stubbornness by Bud Selig and his goons at MLB offices.
    That’s all.

    Bud does not care for Pete Rose or Barry Bonds.
    Does the media ask him why? Of course not.
    Would Bud answer truthfully? Of course not.

    Seem fair to Pete Rose? Of course not.

  68. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Anyone still want Ian Kennedy back?

    ==============================

    3-7
    5.22
    1.403 WHIP
    .304 RISP

    ….and to top this …… !

    This is ALL against NL teams; no AL lineups at all !

    Marginal pitchers shouldn’t crossover TO the AL.

    (Top pitchers – it makes no difference)

    IPK is not cut out to be back in the American League; recipe for disaster.

  69. fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    trade joba for ipk.

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    “what’s wrong with hoping for a career ending injury. it’s not like she asked for alex to be maimed or lose a limb. so if he tears an acl and mcl and cant come back to play, is it that big a deal considering the money he’s made in his career. let’s get off our high horses.

    Thank you. I don’t see the big deal either. In fact I would see it as well-deserved karma for all of the crap he’s pulled since he donned the pinstripes.

    ************

    jerkface, did you see the latest article about marijuana use in teens and how it’s linked to brain abnormalities later in life?

    legalization of drugs is not the answer.

  71. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    In order for me to keep up, I would have to use or lose my job to you or some other user.

    —————–

    According to reports, most players are clean and annoyed about stupid players drawing attention to how prevalent PEDs are having to answer questions about dirty players. So this shouldn’t be an issue..?

  72. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Pete Rose wont be allowed into the HOF because he’s set to be the star of Field of Dreams 2

  73. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    trade joba for a Dominic’s artichoke.

  74. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
    i am very liberal, would love to hear it, RadioKev.
    ———

    I gotta go play Ultimate. It’s to cut drug dealers/crime lords out of the equation. I’m pretty sure there’s a significant legalization movement in South America…

  75. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Ray Lewis got caught taking somethin that essentially metabolizes into HGH in the body before the Super Bowl……he played and NOBODY cared

    —————–

    Lol

  76. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    PED use in the Olympics is prohibited.

    Yes PED use in the olympics is ‘prohibited’, doesn’t stop the major governments from shooting everyone up with juice.

  77. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Pure stubbornness by Bud Selig and his goons at MLB offices.
    ============================
    lets ask bart giamatti what he thought. rose also took the plea to be banned from baseball so no HOF for him and it’s his fault again.

  78. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    How do we know Clemens’ reaction to Piazza was roid rage? EVen if he was “using” maybe Clemens was just in a trance when he pitched in the playoffs and nasty like Bob Gibson was when Gibson was on the mound. Or maybe Bob Gibson used PEDS too?

    There is far to much conjecture about PEDS generally. As fans, we really don’t know much about its culture or its prevalence either in 2003 or now. So, all this formulating of categorical knowledge is so much noise.

  79. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    jerkface, did you see the latest article about marijuana

    ————————-

    What are they taking with the marijuana?? Most kids these days aren’t just taking it just like that. Some ppl put angel dust on their marijuana.

  80. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    So, I’m a user now?
    ============
    Didn’t you once admit to that?

    ——-

    The only things I’m guilty of taking is a pre-workout supplement on my lifting days at the gym (and I have taken it before a ballgame as well).

    They are perfectly legal and can be purchased at any nutritional shop. Hell, some brands are even sold at Walmart.

  81. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
    trade joba for ipk.

    =======================
    Billy Preston — 1975

    “Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing…”

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Everyone on here be careful when responding to certain posters.
    ///

    Odds, new name, same schtick. A mile away.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    “The perspective is that it takes the integrity out of the game.
    Nothing can be viewed as real, just like gambling does.”

    Agree.

  84. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    jerkface, did you see the latest article about marijuana use in teens and how it’s linked to brain abnormalities later in life?

    —————-

    Excessive consumption of alcohol for young people can also cause those abnormalities.

  85. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    *too

  86. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
    Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Everyone on here be careful when responding to certain posters.
    ///

    Odds, new name, same schtick. A mile away.

    ————-

    Yea it’s pretty obvious.

  87. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Clemens was just in a trance when he pitched in the playoffs and nasty like Bob Gibson was when Gibson was on the mound. Or maybe Bob Gibson used PEDS too?
    =============
    If you ever saw Gibson pitch you wouldn’t say that.

  88. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
    i am very liberal, would love to hear it, RadioKev.
    ———

    I gotta go play Ultimate. It’s to cut drug dealers/crime lords out of the equation. I’m pretty sure there’s a significant legalization movement in South America…

    —————-

    They decriminalized all drugs in Portugal a few years ago. The country is still there apparently…

  89. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Excessive consumption of alcohol for young people can also cause those abnormalities.
    ___
    So can being a mean nasty person. Your head just might explode.

  90. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    If they legalized like cocaine and heroin and stuff then inevitably you’d have commercial companies to manufacture this stuff.

    I can see the ads now…… “Blake’s Coke…..fly high and never come down!” Snort responsibility

  91. I Am Winning July 29th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Fantasy,

    It is a law enforcement issue, and I don’t remember if it was the courts or the FBI that decided to pass on it. They were given the option just this year, Im sure you can google the article. There are much bigger issues in America than a few thousand people using steroids. The tens of millions that take mind altering drugs, I would think, take priority.

  92. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    And if you drink too much alcohol you die. Let each human do what they wish, as long as the effects are known. The study says use before 16 is the danger area, so what? Legalize it, put an age restriction on it.

  93. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    The only things I’m guilty of taking is a pre-workout supplement on my lifting days at the gym (and I have taken it before a ballgame as well).

    They are perfectly legal and can be purchased at any nutritional shop. Hell, some brands are even sold at Walmart.
    ====================
    I’m sure they aren’t using the Walmart variety.

  94. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    If they legalized like cocaine and heroin and stuff then inevitably you’d have commercial companies to manufacture this stuff.

    —————

    There’s already an industry that does that, it’s call Big Pharma.

  95. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    A mile away?

    As obvious as it gets. Couldnt be any more obvious.

    Teams are not able to use in the Olympics under doctor supervision, Jerkface. At least when you speak, use facts.

  96. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Maybe The most interesting man in the world come come work for me….” I don’t always ride the dragons wings…..But when I do …..I prefer Blake’s “

  97. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    “There’s already an industry that does that, it’s call Big Pharma.”

    I’m talkin about straight rec drugs though…..with no medicinal qualities

  98. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    I’m sure they aren’t using the Walmart variety.

    ————–

    Wasn’t andro available over the counter in the 90s..??

  99. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Shame, QFT.

  100. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Teams are not able to use in the Olympics under doctor supervision, Jerkface. At least when you speak, use facts.

    I’m saying the countries, like the US and China, supervise their olympic athletes with the help of Doctors in the use of PEDs. These guys arent training on their own. You may even read the article by Victor Conte in which he suspects the anti doping boards of each country are in on it. And that the UK teams were helped by Doctors.

    So yes, it is infact DOCTORS supervision. That it isn’t public, or literally on the stage at the olympics does not make it any less supervised.

  101. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    mcgwire was no choirboy

  102. ron July 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    There is more damage done bt pills from drug companies than marijuana.
    Too much soda can cause problems.
    Most foods are more dangerous that pot.
    Also,steroids are legal with a prescription.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Against, it has nothing to do with what they’re taking with it, it has to do with the age at which someone begins to use. I’m pretty sure it was it was starting use at 16 and younger that was linked to the eventual brain abnormalities.

  104. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    How do we know Clemens’ reaction to Piazza was roid rage? EVen if he was “using” maybe Clemens was just in a trance when he pitched in the playoffs and nasty like Bob Gibson was when Gibson was on the mound. Or maybe Bob Gibson used PEDS too?

    —–

    Amen, sister.

    Linking “roid rage” to incidents happening on the field in the WORLD SERIES, no less, is a real stretch.

    I also have to shake my head when any injury suffered by A-Rod or any other known PED user is undoubtedly a direct result of their PED use.

    You mean an injury can’t be the result of a 38 yr old man abusing his body the last 20 yrs playing the game he loves?

  105. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    i can see the argument for the legalization of drugs. not totally sold on it, but it’s something to be considered.

  106. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    “Blake’s Coke…..fly high and never come down!” Snort responsibility

    ————————-

    You can buy the Yankees and bring back the days of spending freely.

    Just remember never get high on your own supply.

  107. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    blake if you don’t give a crap why not snort some in front of your kids and show em what its like?

  108. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    ————————-

    You can buy the Yankees and bring back the days of spending freely.

    Just remember never get high on your own supply.”

    Good plan

  109. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Actually most PEDs & HGH are legal with a Doctor’s prescription and can be very helpful.

    Is a blood transfusion of an extra pint of your own blood legal? It isn’t against the law but it is a PED.

    There are some HGH drugs that actually grow replacement parts like fingers, organs, etc. Are they illegal? Nope! Are they PEDs in MLB.? Yes! There are PEDs that will increase your vision, strengthen your muscles, help recover from illnesses or injuries, help your mind to focus, increase stamina to exercise, heal organs that are injured & much more. MLB bans all of these. Even some medicines that we all take for allergies & colds.

    Basically, MLB has a blanket statement of what is banned & no testing for most of it. This creates a use problem because players are competing against each other on all levels & the basic fundementals are not the same.

    In HS players in my day came in looking like Atlantis or Hercules over a Summer & I was not a user, but they felt no pain & literally could kill someone with their added strength but it was promoted. (I left FB & played Soccer, track & baseball only after that. LOL!) I was not competing on the same level because almost everyone around me was using. My results increased because I worked extra hard, but my position relative to everyone declined for the most part. LOL! I did win MVP of the American Legion as a senior. But what could I have done if I used. Note the YMCA weight room was filled with users I knew. 2 played in the NFL. 3 played in the CFL. A whole bunch got college scholarships by using.)

    PEDs is an integrity of the game thingy unless everyone uses.

  110. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    “There’s already an industry that does that, it’s call Big Pharma.”

    I’m talkin about straight rec drugs though…..with no medicinal qualities

    ————

    Well yeah, I hear ya but with the quantity at which they’re produced and prescribed it’s sort of a joke… I remember I got my wisdom teef out and my doc gave me a script for 90+ oxys.

  111. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    mick says:
    July 29, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    blake if you don’t give a crap why not snort some in front of your kids and show em what its like?

    You really can’t tell when someone is joking can you

  112. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    You mean an injury can’t be the result of a 38 yr old man abusing his body the last 20 yrs playing the game he loves?
    =====================
    now you seem to be reaching a bit

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    “There is more damage done bt pills from drug companies than marijuana.”

    ron – note that I don’t have a vested interest in this. But it appears that adolescents should be counseled to wait until they are older than 16 if they’re going to smoke marijuana.

  114. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Well yeah, I hear ya but with the quantity at which they’re produced and prescribed it’s sort of a joke… I remember I got my wisdom teef out and my doc gave me a script for 90+ oxys.”

    Yea Rx drugs passed cocaine etc as the drug of choice in the US a couple of years ago…..believe me I deal with it every day

  115. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    If you dare watch any of the networks’ evening news you are assaulted by ads suggesting you talk to your doctor about “low T.” Cmon. I think many people don’t make any connection.

  116. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    You really can’t tell when someone is joking can you

    ————————

    He can but he’s just doing it to bust chops.

  117. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    The only things I’m guilty of taking is a pre-workout supplement on my lifting days at the gym (and I have taken it before a ballgame as well).

    They are perfectly legal and can be purchased at any nutritional shop. Hell, some brands are even sold at Walmart.
    ====================
    I’m sure they aren’t using the Walmart variety.

    ———

    Nope, they sure don’t.

    But don’t deflect the issue here. You called me a user, which I’m not.

  118. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    I’m aware of PED use by athletes of Olympic countries being supervised by doctors.

    It does matter that it is not on the actual stage of the Olympics. It matters because you said ” in the Olympics the teams are able to use healthily under doctor supervision”

    You also made the bold claim that PED use is widespread across every sport. Where is your evidence or corroboration of that?

  119. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Andro still is available. Saw it a few weeks ago at GNC.

  120. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    But don’t deflect the issue here. You called me a user, which I’m not.
    =======================
    No. The issue is not personal.

  121. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    “Well yeah, I hear ya but with the quantity at which they’re produced and prescribed it’s sort of a joke… I remember I got my wisdom teef out and my doc gave me a script for 90+ oxys.””

    By the way I can’t believe that…..90 is way more than required to become dependent on oxycodon…..for some folks the first time does the trick

  122. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Andro was OTC when McGwire was using it.

  123. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Also I will never understand the difference between taking Hgh to recover more quickly from an elbow injury and getting a cortisone shot for the same reason. Seems like utter semantics.

  124. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Did you know that over 8% of MLB players have ADHD?

    Don’t worry though, their Doctors prescribed them Adderol or Ritalin so it’s ok.

  125. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    “He can but he’s just doing it to bust chops.”

    I’m not so sure

  126. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    You mean an injury can’t be the result of a 38 yr old man abusing his body the last 20 yrs playing the game he loves?
    =====================
    now you seem to be reaching a bit

    —–

    Not really. Our bodies break down as we get age and professional athletes aren’t immune to it either.

    It doesn’t necessarily mean an injury is the direct result of PED use.

  127. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    I’m aware of PED use by athletes of Olympic countries being supervised by doctors.

    It does matter that it is not on the actual stage of the Olympics. It matters because you said ” in the Olympics the teams are able to use healthily under doctor supervision”

    Read what you’re quoting then look at what you said right there. Its prohibition has nothing to do with its healthy use under doctor supervision. And my opinion that its widespread in every sport is as follows: NFL , hardly any testing or consequences within the game, DUH players keep admitting to it and things like torabol and junk are widely known to be in use. A player on my fav team played with a broken leg for 2 months for crying out loud. Thats obvious. NBA, hardly any testing or consequences within the game, players have been caught for it. To me that means there is a much larger group of players not being caught.

    Soccer? I’m sure.
    Track and field? DUH.
    Cycling? Of course.

    Its my opinion, I don’t have the secret knowledge of every players secret life, but its p. obvious.

  128. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    I have to agree with blake from earlier. It is such a shame that Alex resorted to PED use. He never had to use them, he was the most talented player in MLB, and decided because of his personal insecurities, he would use to try to live up to his Texas contract. All IMO

  129. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    By the way I can’t believe that…..90 is way more than required to become dependent on oxycodon…..for some folks the first time does the trick

    —————

    I was actually still living with my parents years ago when this happened.. I remember coming downstairs and I found my dad cutting the things in half lol!! Ahhh mems.

    They first came with like 30-40, I can’t remember, and then he tacked on a refill and said if I needed more to come ask him.

    And yeah, Tar’s right, MLB players claim to have ADHD at higher rates than in the general population.

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Against, also, I hope you’re not suggesting that k lynn is C R 9 since he is one of the biggest Arod apologists on this forum and would hardly go along with anything happening to Arod other than Arod being welcomed back into the game.

    *************

    It’s evident that some posters here are talking off the tops of their heads and haven’t done a minute’s worth of reading on the dangers of steroid use and how it breaks down the body.

    “As fans, we really don’t know much about its culture or its prevalence either in 2003 or now. So, all this formulating of categorical knowledge is so much noise.”

    What is its “culture”? And what is the formulating of categorical knowledge? What categorical knowledge? This is quite vague and I’d like to know exactly what you’re saying. Thanks.

  131. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Torabol is really dangerous too.. and they basically give it to them like candy in the NFL.

  132. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Yep, and Jonathan Gray’s and other draft picks’ adderal use made them drop in the draft, didn’t it? No wait… the mlb teams didn’t care, even though adderal can be addictive and has contributed to teen deaths. mlb does not care about educating ball players regarding drug use because they are complicit in spite of their “war” on certain players. It is still all show.

  133. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    “….Chris Dickerson has been outrighted to Triple-A after accepting the assignment, according to the team….”

    —- yes, that CD !!!

    —– Who’s excited ??? (everybody)

    —- Who’s going to give him a call ??? (nobody)

    ……………he’s back in AAA with the Orioles.

  134. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Andro still is available. Saw it a few weeks ago at GNC.

    ——————

    I didn’t think you could still get it over the counter but maybe they do still have low dosages of it available that way.

  135. raymagnetic July 29th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Nothing wrong with smoking that chrinuc

  136. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    All I’m saying is be careful.

  137. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    We don’t know why ARod used PEDs. But we probably do know why Jeter & ARod didn’t pal around with each other.

    Jeter wants to be the best Jeter he can be.

    ARod wants to be the best MLB player ever. There are tons of PED users to compete with. End of story. The Bonds reasoning!

  138. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    You said “in the Olympics, teams are using….” You’re right about healthy use under doctor’s supervision, just not “in the Olympics.” Ill quit nitpicking words or phrases to attack.

    NBA, NHL. 2 of the 4 major American sports. There’s very little evidence to suggest much use in those 2 sports. Lack of testing in a sport doesn’t automatically indicate PED use.

    If anyone in the NBA is using, it’d be Lebron James. He’s hardly human, he’s one of a kind. There’s nothing to suggest he’s a PED user.

    What player played on a broken leg for 2 months?

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    I’ll try to catch up on all of the posts above to see if there were any that I missed that were directed to me.

    Otherwise, have a good night.

  140. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    I have to agree with blake from earlier. It is such a shame that Alex resorted to PED use. He never had to use them, he was the most talented player in MLB, and decided because of his personal insecurities, he would use to try to live up to his Texas contract. All IMO”

    I agree ….I heard an interview awhile back with I think it was Joey Cora who was Alex’s teammate in Seattle.

    He said that Griffey and Edgar really sheltered Alex and when he got to Texas and had that big contract he felt a lot more pressure than he’d ever felt…..he’d never been the man before ….it’s no excuse but sometimes kids have insecurities and they got the best of him……it’s not the worst thing anybody has ever done

  141. fantasygame101 July 29th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    I AM Winning,

    So this gov’t agency should go after braun too, he already admits to it so he should be prosecuted by the gov’t.

  142. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    I said IMO, RayVT.

    I am an ARod apologist, trisha, but I would like to see his salary off our books, even if just to see Hal and Hank pocket all the money and do a disservice to their father’s memory and to the fans.

    I just dont see an issue with wishing a career ending injury on someone. If anyone deserves it, it’s Big Papi. Papi has never suffered a consequence, Alex has suffered many consequences.

  143. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    July 29, 2013 at 7:36 pm
    Torabol is really dangerous too.. and they basically give it to them like candy in the NFL.

    Yup and again NOBODY cares

  144. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    What is there to be careful of? Am I going to leap through the computer screen and start strangling someone???

  145. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Not true about Jeter. Since Alex has been in the limelight RE: biogenesis, Jeter and he had been hanging out in Tampa and driving to rehab together. If Jeter wanted to distance himself from Alex, do you think he would be hanging around him?

    Speaking of Jeet, back to baseball, great game to be at yesterday. Stadium had a nice buzz to it with Matsui being celebrated and Jeter back in pinstripes.

  146. Rabbinoah July 29th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    I cannot believe someone is arguing for legalization of steroids in america. Maybe someone can argue for legalization of crack and heroine next.
    ——————————————————
    Easy. Take away the black market which creates the violence? Treat drug use through medicine and therapy and not law enforcement? Redirect the enormous sums of money now dedicated to the failed war on drugs to rebuild the communities destroyed by crack and opiates?

    I’d legalize cocaine and heroine before PEDs frankly.

  147. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Andro is not limited from sales. A lot of things that go with Andro are required to have a valid prescription.

    Both Andro & PEDs are not allowed by MLB. If you have a legal prescription for them, then you basically admited to using MLB illegal drugs. So players go to some clinic they have been tipped about to get a treatment. The OL for the Panthers many years ago all went to a Dr in Columbia SC for PEDs. Balco & BioG are literally just the tip of the proverbial iceberg on PEDs. BTW, they are freely given overseas especially in DR or PR or the islands.

  148. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I assume you’re talking about Logan Mankins that played with a torn ACL for the whole season?

  149. ron July 29th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Trisha
    Kids a lot younger are put on meds by their parents that cause autism,and just about every other sickness,disease,side effect you can imagine,but the big pharm lobbiests pay off politicians.
    Also,doctors,and ins companies are smarter than the rest because they are looking at drug use,abuse as a disease instead of a law enforcement,legal problem,and they are right.
    This is why we lost the war on drugs,wich is not a war at all.
    Look at all these countries that are bankrupting themselves on drug wars,and it is no better.
    Drinking is legal,and it does not cause me to drink anymore than if it was illegal.
    Go to a country where drugs like pot,heroin,etc… are legal,if you will,and there is not nearly the chaos,murder,etc.. as there is in the us,mexico,brazit,puerto rico,etc…

    The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.

    “Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success,” says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. “It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does.”

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/healt.....z2aTu5kO00

  150. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    I don’t believe LaBron is using, but he does have an early receding hairline which is a byproduct of some PEDs. Not proof though!

  151. chicken_stanley July 29th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    mick says:July 29, 2013 at 7:31 pmB

    But don’t deflect the issue here. You called me a user, which I’m not.
    ======================

    No. The issue is not personal.

    —–

    Mick – you may be thinking of a conversation GF and I had several weeks ago in which I stated that I have trouble throwing stones at players that use PEDs because, if I’m honest with myself, I can’t say I wouldn’t use if in their shoes. GF never indicated he was a user of PEDs.

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Speaking of Jeet, back to baseball, great game to be at yesterday. Stadium had a nice buzz to it with Matsui being celebrated and Jeter back in pinstripes.
    ///

    Glorious :D

  153. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    I guess I am a steroid user.

    I had a “steroid” shot injected directly into my ankle. But It certainly wasn’t my idea, and I didn’t go in some back alley, or some clinic to have it done either.

    It was supposed to help with the swelling and pain, at least that is what the Dr. said.

    BTW it didn’t work with the swelling, but I sure hit some moon shots in softball!!

    I kid.

  154. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    I too like ARod & I can understand why he would use & why someone wouldn’t use.

  155. Rabbinoah July 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    jerkface, did you see the latest article about marijuana use in teens and how it’s linked to brain abnormalities later in life?

    legalization of drugs is not the answer.
    ———————————————
    In places with legal marijuana, usage has *decreased*

    Also, without the stigma and fear of the law, drug treatment is easier to promote.

    Drugs are bad. But the drug war is worse. There are other ways for the government to fight addiction than SWAT teams and long jail sentences.

  156. mick July 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    if I’m honest with myself, I can’t say I wouldn’t use if in their shoes.
    ======================
    this was my point. why should other players be coerced into using substances they wouldn’t ordinarilly use to keep up?

  157. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    IIRC, tomingeorgia said he used something, briefly I believe.

  158. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    I am an Alex apologist because I see a lot of myself in him. Very out of touch with reality sometimes. Troubled. Both live comfortable lives, although he lives just a wee bit more comfortably than me. Immature. Discriminated against. the list could go on and on.

  159. blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    I was listening to the Jim Rome show the other day ( only thing that would come in on the AM) and he was going on and on about how great mike Tyson was and what a great interview etc……. I guess he forgot he raped somebody…..my point is ….does anybody ever see anyone sayin those things about Arod? All he did was take some drugs to hit a baseball better……

  160. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    It’s evident that some posters here are talking off the tops of their heads and haven’t done a minute’s worth of reading on the dangers of steroid use and how it breaks down the body.

    ——

    So in your extensive research you learned the long term effects of prolonged steroid and PED use and how it breaks down the human body – but at the same time you were SHOCKED to learn that baseball players cheat?

  161. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    The reason players go to the back alley is because if they went to a real Doctor it would show up as a medicine used by them in the MIB (Medical Insurance Bureau) which is something every worker agrees to that is under contract that their employer can check those records.

  162. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    I remember when they did that in Portugal.. I was still in grad school and one of my classmates did her dissertation on it. Really interesting stuff.

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    I don’t believe LaBron is using, but he does have an early receding hairline which is a byproduct of some PEDs. Not proof though!
    ///

    Hey, Ray :D

    Both Jete and Mariano have receding hairlines ;). Wearing a baseball cap all the time probably accelerated the process.

  164. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    He did something far worse! He left Beantown at the alter & ran away with the Yankees! He is dead to them!

  165. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    So do I! And I didn’t use! LOL! But did wear a cap all the time! LOL!

  166. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Ray

    I understand, but some try to make it sound like any steroid use is illegal.

    Which as you know it is certainly not, as long as a Dr prescribes it.

  167. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    I think they did the same thing in England.

  168. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    blake, nobody cares. Alexander is a Yankee, and that’s why the haters pounce. If Alexander was a Red Sox, we wouldnt be hearing about it. It’d be forgotten like Aaron Hernandez already has been.

    Im also a fan of the underdog, the hated, and the discriminated. Hence, I like Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson, Alexander Emmanuel. The Yankees, Duke.

    People would argue this, but the Yankees are the biggest underdog of all.

  169. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Most people don’t know anything really about steroids or PEDs. Only that it is bad. Which it really isn’t, but it can be performance enhancing in almost every way if desired.

  170. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Speaking of which….. I wonder if this Boesch character ever tried to pass him self off as a Dr.

  171. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    You said “in the Olympics, teams are using….” You’re right about healthy use under doctor’s supervision, just not “in the Olympics.” Ill quit nitpicking words or phrases to attack.

    How? I don’t get this point. You admit that you believe the countries provide their players with PEDs. I’ve read articles describing the kinds of things olympic teams do to win, including pumping their players full of drugs. It is under supervision, yes it is against the rules, but no one really ‘cares’. They care as an outward display of PR.

  172. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    I was listening to the Jim Rome show the other day ( only thing that would come in on the AM) and he was going on and on about how great mike Tyson was and what a great interview etc……. I guess he forgot he raped somebody…..my point is ….does anybody ever see anyone sayin those things about Arod? All he did was take some drugs to hit a baseball better……

    —————-

    Don’t even get me started on Tyson… athletes can beat and abuse women however they want and it’s basically the least offensive thing they can do in terms of sports scandals.

    Alex is maybe not a good guy. He might be a huge jerk. He’s very likely a liar. He likes his poker. He likes his women. But the way he has been treated in comparison to legitimately awful human beings is unnerving. And the way baseball has allowed this to spiral is insane when you have other leagues brushing this stuff under the rug left and right. Congress will never pull the non-exemption status of MLB, they just wanted to have a chance to grandstand on CSPAN knowing that for the first time in god knows how long people were actually watching.

  173. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Can someone tell me what player played on a broken leg for 2 months?

    Im really hoping the Jerkface is not a Patriots fan and was talking about Logan Mankins, mistaking a torn ACL for a broken leg.

  174. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Speaking of which….. I wonder if this Boesch character ever tried to pass him self off as a Dr.

    ——————

    LMAO!!! :lol:

  175. ron July 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Countries that decriminalize drugs,not necessarily legalize them are far better off than countries that declare all out war on drugs.
    Fact,not fiction.
    Drug use drops,hiv cases drops,treatment increases,murder,and other vioelent crime decreases,etc..
    Drug use is a disease,and the us never even came close to eradicating one single drug in its drug war.
    Have you seen mexico lately where the druglords are cutting the heads off of military,police,politicians,and hanging them on bridges,and that is with the us giving them billions of dollars for their drug war that is being pushed on them by the us.

  176. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    The countries don’t care. Teams and players are disqualified from Olympic events upon positive tests for PEDs.

  177. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Medals are stripped post-Olympics.

  178. blake July 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Id Argue the actual worst thing Alex had done was cheating on his wife when they had two very small kids at home

  179. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Steroids do serve a medical purpose and is prescribed everyday in hospitals and clinics all over the country.

    I was treated with steroids (Prednisone) for 5 days a few years back because of my illness. They did help a bit but I didn’t want to stay on it because I retained water like a camel and immediately gained like 10 lbs.

    No effing thanks.

  180. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    RayVT – I had to cut down on baseball cap wearing. My hair was thinning and I finally put the two together. Started using MSM and curtailed my cap time, and voila, hair! :D

  181. Ys Guy July 29th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    two interesting facts i got from flipping between the two tv games:
    the rangers have scored the least runs in the majors in their last 15 games, and:
    the marlins have 2nd best record in the nl since may 15th.

  182. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Id Argue the actual worst thing Alex had done was cheating on his wife when they had two very small kids at home
    ////

    Didn’t she have some deal going with a rock star, though?

    In any event, Alex never got hauled in for domestic abuse, like Miggy. I don’t think Alex could harm another human being in that way – doesn’t have it in him, as far as I can tell.

  183. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Id Argue the actual worst thing Alex had done was cheating on his wife when they had two very small kids at home

    ———————

    And for all we know, the former Mrs. Rodriguez was getting hers on the side too! (For real, I’m all for equality and that means admitting that based on statistics women cheat on their husbands just as much as men cheat on their wives – watch your women, fellas!!!)

  184. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    “So in your extensive research you learned the long term effects of prolonged steroid and PED use and how it breaks down the human body – but at the same time you were SHOCKED to learn that baseball players cheat?”

    I was SHOCKED to learn baseball players cheat when posters here felt the need to regale me with their versions of how players have cheated throughout the ages. Yes.

    And when someone said that all fans were complicit for knowing steroid use was going on and not getting upset about it back when it started, I said I had no idea that it was going on- and I didn’t.

    I learned about the effects of prolonged use when it was made a public topic – back when Canseco wrote his book. I’m not big on talking out of my ass once something comes to my attention, and so I do extensive research. And I did on steroid use.

    It appears others are much more comfortable talking out of their asses if it bolsters their position on a subject.

  185. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Cheating on a wife isn’t bad. Bill Belichick cheated on his wife, and he’s a God, not just a god.

  186. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Kerry Jenkins played through a broken leg. Yea your medals are stripped if you get caught, thats why countries spend lots of money and pay off testing boards not to get caught. All while players use healthily because they arent going to some miami youth clinic, but getting top doctors to treat them in olympic facilities.

  187. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    The simple fact is that people don’t like A-Rod personally so the media and fans love to kick the guy whenever they get the opportunity.

    The likability factor plays as big of a role in how someone is covered as anything.

  188. Ys Guy July 29th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    sorry, marlins 2nd best record in the nl since may 30th

  189. blake July 29th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    In any event, Alex never got hauled in for domestic abuse, like Miggy. I don’t think Alex could harm another human being in that way – doesn’t have it in him, as far as I can tell.”

    And drunk driving….as long as he wasn’t PED driving its cool

  190. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    So you’re most likely a Jets fan, possibly a Bucs fan. Whew! Thank God you’re not a Pats fan.

  191. waka flocka July 29th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    I just want to know what A-Rod did to warrant a lifetime ban. he hasn’t even served ONE suspension and now we are talking lifetime ban? like him or hate him but you can’t deny this is a witch hunt.

  192. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Likeability factor has nothing to do with anything.

    The uniform factor.

    Manny Ramirez was beloved, he was Manny being Manny, until Boston booted him out the door.

    Ortiz is beloved because of his uniform.

    Alexander is hated because of his uniform.

    You have to be a complete moron to not understand that.

  193. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    This is pointless discussion. Alex’s money is better off spent on another player(s).

    I CAN’T WAIT :)

  194. EndlessMike July 29th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    He took PEDS from Biogensis,than lied about it in 2009 and also might have interfered with the investigation like paying for documents so MLB won’t catch him. That’s three even though I don’t think all will stick.

    A-Rod should have just come clean back in 2009 and stopped taking steroids. Yet no he kept taking PEDS and it’s he’s fault.

  195. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Alex Rodríguez was nine years old when his father, Victor, left the family. The former Dominican Republic ball player and shoe store owner reportedly wanted to move back to New York City, while Rodríguez’s mother, Lourdes, wanted to stay in Miami. The boy was not told at first about the split, although his older brother and sister knew the truth. “I kept thinking my father would come back, but he never did,” Rodríguez recalled in an interview with Sports Illustrated writer Gerry Callahan.

    Rodríguez inherited his love of baseball from his father. But because his mother worked two jobs to support the family, it was hard for her to come to watch his youth league games. Rodríguez recalled the sadness he felt when he saw his teammates’ fathers cheer their sons. “After a while, I lied to myself,” Rodríguez admitted in a 1998 Seattle Times interview. “I tried to tell myself that it didn’t matter, that I didn’t care. But times I was alone, I often cried. Where was my father?”

    Rodríguez emerged as a talented high school player and was drafted by the Seattle Mariners. The news of the draft was chronicled in the newspapers, and Rodríguez’s father finally contacted him that same week. “I didn’t even know where he was calling from,” Rodríguez told the Seattle Times. “I didn’t know what to think. It was nice, but it didn’t make much impression on me, not after all that time.” The next year, when Rodríguez had been sent down to the Dominican Republic to play in its winter baseball league, his father showed up one day at batting practice. “When this man told me who he was, I almost broke down,” Rodríguez told the Seattle Times. They talked and made plans to meet the next day, but Rodríguez cancelled their lunch appointment.

    But Victor Rodríguez also read the Seattle Times article, and was saddened. The superstar athlete also felt a little bit of remorse, and arranged to have a satellite television dish delivered to his estranged father’s house so that he could watch the Mariners’ games. They met the following winter, and had another reunion that took place on Father’s Day of 2000. “I wish I could tell you I had planned it that way,” Rodríguez told the Seattle Times afterward, about the symbolic holiday meeting. “But I only thought that it was time, that I was ready and that I wanted to see my dad.”

    Read more: http://www.notablebiographies......z2aU1RpdeM

  196. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    You’ll be waiting a long time, Bret. That money is going straight to the pockets of Hal and Hank.

  197. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    C R 9 knows all about the likability factor, especially given how many hundred times he’s had to change his moniker to post comments (and his 2nd one today).

  198. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Noooooo don’t say that.

  199. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    3rd moniker today. Quit skimping, Franco.

  200. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    The simple fact is that people don’t like A-Rod personally so the media and fans love to kick the guy whenever they get the opportunity.

    The likability factor plays as big of a role in how someone is covered as anything.
    ///

    Yeah and people have a right to not like the guy, but what strikes me as disingenuous and disturbing, even, is the bloodthirsty calls for his head, all in the name of the sanctity of baseball. Meanwhile, those same zealots give only a cursory acknowledgement that frying Alex would be treating a symptom and ignoring the disease.

  201. k lynn July 29th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Throw bats at umpires, make a huge scene/ destroy dugout phone of opposing ballpark. Argue every strike call ever called against him. Likeability.

  202. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    I posted that story on Alex and his father because I’m tired of the same people in here running around with pitchforks and screaming their lousy fire-and-brimstone dehumanizing crap about him. Balance, please.

  203. ron July 29th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Since baseball’s drug testing agreement was implemented, there have been several privacy violations. The highest profile case belongs to Ryan Braun, whom, despite having his failed drug test vacated on appeal, is still regarded by many as being a cheat. Those who believe Braun was guilty anyway probably consider this to be justice. To them, improper testing procedures are only a mere formality. However, regardless of where you stand on his guilt, the validity of Braun’s appeal is really a secondary issue. The most egregious violation occurred when the results of the test were revealed, despite a policy calling for confidentiality until the process had run its course. The leak that thrust his name into the headlines effectively robbed Braun of his due process. Although his camp has stated it doesn’t believe the MLB hierarchy purposely revealed the results, the league is still responsible for the confidentiality of the process. After all, if baseball can’t ensure privacy, then none exists, which means Fehr and Miller were right all along.

    Braun has been “public enemy number one” since winning his appeal. (Photo: Reuters)

    Braun’s case is relevant again because of recent news suggesting that Major League Baseball is specifically targeting the former MVP in its investigation of the infamous Biogenesis notebooks. According to reports by Yahoo!and USAToday, baseball has effectively made Braun “public enemy number one” in its crusade to suspend players associated with the Florida clinic (so he doesn’t feel left out, Alex Rodriguez is also reportedly another high profile target). In response to the allegations, baseball’s executive vice president Rob Manfred has denied a disproportionate interest in Braun, but actions speak louder than words.

    The most damning revelation from the two news accounts was MLB’s plan to grant immunity to players in exchange for testimony. Unless the same offer is made to every player, the implication is clear. Baseball isn’t interested in punishing all PED users, just the players they deem significant. That’s not only an unfair application of justice, but it also has the potential to undermine the legitimacy of the entire system, which is exactly the position taken by MLB when asked by the MLBPA to consider mitigation to punishment based on intent.

    Aside from being high profile players, the Yahoo! report stated that Braun and Arod have become prime targets because baseball investigators believe the two players were dishonest in previous dealings. In other words, MLB isn’t looking to prosecute violations of the Drug Policy, but is instead seeking revenge for being fooled in the past. That’s particularly the case with Braun, whose victorious appeal has never sat well with baseball’s higher powers. By taking this tact, MLB has not only cast a prejudicial cloud over its investigation, but also violated the spirit of trust it has forged with the union and its players.

    If baseball continues to trample over its agreement with the players, you can bet the MLBPA’s willingness to cooperate with the league will diminish. Not only will that have a chilling effect on future modifications to the Drug Policy, but it will likely extend to other issues as well. Trust between labor and management is a very difficult bond to form, but an easy one to break. Selig and company have done their best to give the MLBPA doubts about maintaining a future relationship…and provided the union’s past leadership with an opportunity to say “I told you so”.
    http://www.captainsblog.info/2.....ion/19598/

  204. luis July 29th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Good evening everyone,

    Don’t forget that we won in 2009 in no small part because Arod played an amazing PS… I do get that he has committed several mistakes ( including, yet not limited to PED use ) as we have all made them in the past… Just let MLB do what they have to do and leave it at that… His legacy is already tainted… Imagine how his life is going to be from this point onward… And money won’t help ( if you think it will, you are dead wrong )… I pity the guy

  205. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Andy Martino?@MartinoNYDN 9m
    Speculation, but informed speculation:NL exec who has spoken w Amaro lately thinks Phils move Cliff Lee. Chose Boston as likely destination.

  206. luis July 29th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Hello YF,

    that is bad news indeed

  207. Ys Guy July 29th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    there is arod news according to the espn crew ‘as soon as we get it sorted out”

  208. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    does anybody ever see anyone sayin those things about Arod? All he did was take some drugs to hit a baseball better

    —————————————-

    Does anyone say anything like that about steroid users outside of maybe Andy. It’s funny how MLB players have been demonized for taking PEDs but everything else gets a yea but.

    ” I know he was involved in a domestic dispute but I’ve met him and he’s such a great guy. ”

    “Player X used during his MLB career PEDs ugh he is such a lowlife scum”

  209. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Hi Luis, yes, I wouldn’t like to hear that Boston got Cliff Lee, but if they do, hopefully, the Phillies wipe out Boston’s farm. :twisted:

    I was just listening to the song “Father and Son,” coincidently at the same time as Pruf was posting that Alex article. I know it makes you think of your father, so I thought about you too. I hope you are doing well.

    I just wish the Alex thing was resolved one way or another for everyone’s sake. And I would like to know who else is getting suspended and for how long.

    I guess Grandy and Phelps are going to be in Trenton tomorrow, but I have to work. However, were it Gary Sanchez being called up and playing his first game in Trenton, I would find a way to get out of work. No such luck RE: Sanchez, I am afraid.

  210. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Hi primo. I am sorry for Alex that keeps tripping over himself, but I primarily feel a profound sadness that a special career may be over. I can’t imagine not feeling sadness about that.

  211. chicken_stanley July 29th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Well, I spent several minutes formulating my 2 cents on Steriods and PEDs. Apparently, its caught in cyberspace and may or may not make it to the board. So – a summary of my post. I think Ray’s post below is great. We should focus on the performance enhancing aspects of steriods and PEDs. Not that they are the proverbial “boogeyman” because they really are not.

    RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
    Tar July 29th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Most people don’t know anything really about steroids or PEDs. Only that it is bad. Which it really isn’t, but it can be performance enhancing in almost every way if desired.

  212. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    “Baseball isn’t interested in punishing all PED users, just the players they deem significant. That’s not only an unfair application of justice, but it also has the potential to undermine the legitimacy of the entire system, which is exactly the position taken by MLB when asked by the MLBPA to consider mitigation to punishment based on intent.”
    ////

    Thanks Ron.

  213. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Thanks for the article, Ron. If mlb truly wants to change the culture in mlb (not sure how realistic or not that is), they need to put education programs in place and support the players as they “transition” rather than demonize a few trophy players to appear to be doing something.

  214. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    How’s Jesse Crain been pitching this year?

  215. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    In the days when we could hit, Jesse coming out of the Twins’ pen always made me smile.

  216. mick July 29th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    They aren’t demonizing trophy players.
    There are plenty of trophy players who are being left alone.
    They seem to be demonizing those who are stupid enough to thumb their noses at them.

  217. luis July 29th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Cat Stevens!! I love that song… Yup, JAP post made me think about my father… I miss him a great deal… There isn’t a day that I don’t think about him… He was and forever will be my personal hero… I wish I were half the man he was….I do try though! but I constantly fail :D

    I agree, I want this matter to be resolved one way or the other… As I said, I pity him… There is no cure to “regret” and I am sure that he is feeling it and will feel it for the rest of his life…Money helps, but it doesn’t buy happiness.

    They are bringing Sanchez slowly, although I think he should be promoted, maybe for the PS?

  218. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Yankeesource YankeeSource 7m
    Ivan Nova (3.15 FIP) has the best GB/FB ratio of his MLB career this year (1.96). He lost that ability last year (45% GB%). 2013- 51.1%.

  219. luis July 29th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
    Hi primo. I am sorry for Alex that keeps tripping over himself, but I primarily feel a profound sadness that a special career may be over. I can’t imagine not feeling sadness about that.

    ==========================

    Believe me, deep inside he regrets everything that he has done

  220. mick July 29th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    There is no cure to “regret” and I am sure that he is feeling it and will feel it for the rest of his life…Money helps, but it doesn’t buy happiness.
    ==================
    he brought it on himself.

  221. mick July 29th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Believe me, deep inside he regrets everything that he has done
    ===================
    he has no regrets.

  222. luis July 29th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
    Yankeesource YankeeSource 7m
    Ivan Nova (3.15 FIP) has the best GB/FB ratio of his MLB career this year (1.96). He lost that ability last year (45% GB%). 2013- 51.1%.

    ==================================

    You know… JAP posted a very interesting post about power RHP and their inability to replicate their numbers in YS ( He gave plenty of examples like Weaver, Clemens among others )… That’s what I think sets Nova apart… He is a power pitcher, but he has a sinker, therefore he will be able to keep the ball in the park… As I said, he has ace written all over him

  223. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    luis, I remember you mentioning that song: I love to sing it. I miss my father too. He was the kindest and least judgmental person I have ever known. Yours from what you have posted sounds like a wonderful man. I know that he is watching over you.

    I expected them to bring Sanchez along slowly on the D side, and I know they wanted him to catch the flame throwers in Tampa, but I am still hoping he is up by mid August. I just hope he doesn’t move up while I am on vacation or I will not be a happy camper.

  224. luis July 29th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Mick,

    Everyone has regrets… It’s part of the human nature… That’s why I say cut a little slack to the man… His biggest punishment will be coming from himself

  225. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    luis, yes, I saw Pruf’s post; it was right on the money. The power righty in any version of Yankee Stadium is at a deficit right from “Go.” It will be interesting to see how Pineda fares in NYS. And agree about Nova: both about his sinker and ace material, which I too have always thought based on his stuff. Just keep commanding your pitches, Vato!

  226. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Even God likely has regrets.

  227. luis July 29th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Shall we go to the next thread? :arrow:

  228. yankeefeminista July 29th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Luis, si si andiamo…

  229. waka flocka July 29th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    what regret will A-Rod have? he made a ton of money, won a World Series, and nailed a bunch of beautiful women. you think he cares what people behind a keyboard or some spotlight seeking sports pundit thinks of him?

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