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Trade deadline only 48 hours away

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi

Baseball’s non-waiver trade deadline is 48 hours away. It hits on Wednesday at 4 p.m. ET, and the Yankees really have five options:

1. Go for it. Sure, they’re 7.5 games out of first place, but they’re only 2.5 away from a wild card berth. They’ve already made one move to upgrade the offense, and they could make one or two more to fill needs at catcher or the infield corners. The farm system might not be loaded, but there seem to be enough promising pieces for a fairly significant addition if the Yankees are willing to give up a ton.

2. Bits and pieces. More moves like the Alfonso Soriano trade. The Yankees could look for short-term upgrades, but nothing that’s going to gut the system or cost massive parts of the future. Gary Sanchez isn’t on the table. Neither is Rafael De Paula. Probably not Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, J.R. Murphy or Tyler Austin, either. Improvements, but not necessarily standout additions.

3. Hold tight. With the Alex Rodriguez situation, and the Curtis Granderson rehab, and the recent losing trend for a team still technically in the hunt, there’s simply too much unknown for the Yankees to make a significant move one way or the other. Maybe something after the non-waiver deadline, depending on how the next few weeks shake out.

4. The hopeful seller. The Yankees don’t have to give up on the season to begin unloading some big leaguers. If there’s legitimate value in Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, the Yankees could move them and find replacements from within. Of course, that requires finding a contending team that wants what the Yankees don’t need.

5. Plan for the future: The overall record doesn’t fully reflect the state of this roster. Even with players getting healthy, the Yankees have to be realistic about their chances and make an all-out push to stock for the future. Injuries meant this simply wasn’t the Yankees year, and any Major League player is on the table.

Which route would you suggest? And which are you expecting?

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270 Responses to “Trade deadline only 48 hours away”

  1. astrocityfan July 29th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    i expect 2 and hopefully 4. i still think hughes could add value to a team out west. see what teams are offering and let him go. I think a returning granderson plus a michael young type could really solidify the offense. also get jr murphy here pronto!

  2. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    I think 4 bordering on 5 puts the Yankees in the best stead for the next several years, given all the other constraints we know about. The 2nd wild card really muddies the waters though.

  3. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    While Alex ponders his fate, the TD slips away…
    How do they expect teams to know their needs if they don’t yet know who is suspended?

  4. exiledintampa July 29th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I think MLB wants to get as many plea deals done as they can from the other players involved before they get to Arod. This will give them an even stronger hand if, say 15 players accept suspensions first. If any accept a plea that involves outing Arod as the go to to Bosch then they have so much more than Bosch alone.

  5. blake July 29th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    In a vacuum and being totally objective they should do #5 if you take all emotion out of it IMO.

    They aren’t gonna do that though and now that Jeter is back it would be tough to see that too given they are still only 2.5 out of the WC….

    I don’t think they can do #1 because I don know of a true elite player that’s available and even if they were I doubt the yanks have the pieces to get them anyways.

    Personally I think 2 and 3 are wastes…..they are good enough if they hold tight and minor tweaks aren’t gonna be enough either….

    Id probably go with # 4 and trade off non essentially pieces like Hughes and Joba and his hope what’s left is good enough.

    I fully expect they’ll do either #2 or 3 and add another marginal upgrade or stand pat….

  6. blake July 29th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Aren’t good enough*

  7. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 14m
    Source: As of yesterday, the #Yankees had not received a single trade offer for RHP Phil Hughes.

    ____________

    Yet he expects to get a 4/50 offer this offseason? I’d be worried he would have no choice but to accept a QO from the Yankees and we would be stuck paying him 14 M in 2014.

    I don’t think other teams are buying the story that he just needs a big ballpark and he will be fine. They realize he wont pitch ALL of his games at home and that even there, he would give up A LOT of hits.

    Didn’t expect Hughes to be an ACE, but expected a lot more than we have got from him over the last 6 years.

  8. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Did I read here that Hughes is making his next start in San Diego?

    Ken Rosenthal ? @Ken_Rosenthal

    Source: As of yesterday, the #Yankees had not received a single trade offer for RHP Phil Hughes.

  9. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    I agree with you Blake.

    The WC really is diabolical because yes, the Yankees are 2.5 out, but that puts them behind Tampa (x) Baltimore (x) Cleveland (1.0) and Texas (1.5), and just 2.5 ahead of the Royals, who have been smoking hot.

  10. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    How do they expect teams to know their needs if they don’t yet know who is suspended?
    ___________

    They don’t care. They want to feel important and holding this over the Yankees and the other teams makes Bud feel empowered. I think we learned a long time ago Bud doesn’t care what’s best for the sport. He is the Mitt Romney of baseball. He will go with whatever the consensus is on a given afternoon to a given crowd.

  11. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Let MLB start announcing them one at a time and further tighten the noose on Alex’ neck.
    Why hinder teams from making deals by not knowing key players status?

  12. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    “…Didn’t expect Hughes to be an ACE, but expected a lot more than we have got from him over the last 6 years…”

    ============================

    Alot of us that read BaseballAmerica & other prospect rankings DID expect him to be an Ace….wasn’t he actually rated as the top pitcher in the minors at one point ?

    Really didn’t expect a 1.3 WHIP middling pitcher….

    Oh, well…..

  13. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 7m
    But the official still thinks Hughes has enough FA value where Yanks could offer him a qualifier to get a first rounder.

    ____

    So no team would even consider giving up even a marginal prospect for him to help them in a playoff run, but they think he is still going to be a big free agent? Doesnt seem to make a lot of sense.

  14. Doreen July 29th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Dr. Joe in L.I., goid to hear from you. Love my tiguan, and I’m glad you are happy with the Q5.

    G.Love, “there is good in him.”. I agree. More’s the tragedy.

    Re: Ortiz. I cannot believe MLB saw nothing there! It was a dangerous situation he put his teammates and Red Sox staff in. Moreover, there was no call for that kind of response, given the game circumstances. That it became a joke before 24 hours had passed is unbelievable. Aggravating. Mind-boggling. A travesty.

  15. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    So the longer Alex makes them wait, the Yanks are in limbo in a trade for a future 3B…

  16. exiledintampa July 29th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    They don’t have to announce the deals with the others. They just have to have them in place before their assult on Arod.

  17. Chip July 29th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Chip,

    I dunno about that, I think they really wanted the revenue sharing money, which the phantom money would not give them back. In fact, I think there would be public pressure for the team to spend that phantom money anyways.
    —————————

    You’re right – it won’t help them get a kick back on their Revenue Sharing costs, but I think that if the Yankees can make the luxury tax into a neutral thing – they’ll be ok with that. It’s really that penalty more than the RS dollars that’s the killer. Then again, I honestly have no idea what matters most to Hal.

  18. RhapsodyInBlue July 29th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Enough of the political commentary.

  19. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Really didn’t expect a 1.3 WHIP middling pitcher….
    ____

    I WISH he was a middling pitcher.

    His ERA is almost 5.
    He is tied for most sub 5 inning starts this year.
    He can’t hold a lead when this crappy offense actually gives him one.
    NO team wants to trade anything for him.

  20. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
    Sources: Red Sox remain engaged in talks for multiple pitchers, including Cliff Lee and Jake Peavy.

    I’m thinking Will Middlebrooks+ for Cliff Lee. Then the Sox can bring up Xander Bogaerts to play 3b the rest of the year. Look out.

  21. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Somehow Papi has been elevated to Icon status by MLB.
    When was the last time he has been thrown at?
    Why all the fear and respect for this guy?

  22. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    I see Hawpe is going to be available! DFA’d.

  23. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    So the longer Alex makes them wait, the Yanks are in limbo in a trade for a future 3B…
    ___

    I think the Yankees should just assume this man will never play 3B for them again.
    They need to find a future 3B and IF Alex does manage to make it back before 2015, he can DH, if no other reason, then to keep him healthy.

  24. bruceb July 29th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Yep, the second wild card seems to have increased the number of teams who can brainwash themselves into thinking they still have a chance of making the playoffs. The dilemma for the Yankees is that going all out for the second wildcard this year could seriously jeopardize their future development.

    I’m happy we have Soriano for this year…not so happy that we are stuck with him, Wells and Ichiro for 2014.

  25. Chip July 29th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 7m
    But the official still thinks Hughes has enough FA value where Yanks could offer him a qualifier to get a first rounder.

    ____

    So no team would even consider giving up even a marginal prospect for him to help them in a playoff run, but they think he is still going to be a big free agent? Doesnt seem to make a lot of sense.
    ————–

    There’s a difference between giving up a prospect for a guy who can walk away and hoping that he is better vs. giving up a draft pick, signing him to a 3 year deal and being able to fix him and reap the rewards for fixing him for a few years.

  26. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Given the state of Alex’s hips it would be negligent not to have a guy who can competently play 3rd four or more days a week anyway.

  27. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    We saw yesterday that the additions of Jeet and Soriano make the Yankees a legitimate contender. Those 2 additions to the offense turned Matt Moore into a punching bag. Now, As I have been saying for 2 weeks, Add Rent-A-Players Morneau and Kubel, cut Overbay and Hafner, and you have a team that would be a front runner for a Championship. EASY AS PIE

  28. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    I’ll say it again but Option #5 is the one they should be taking in the next 48 hrs.

    But, realistically, they will probably choose something closer to Option #2 or #3.

    I do have one disagreement with Chad on his description of Option #5, though. I think their overall record actually does reflect the state of the roster.

    I say that because during the offseason many of us argued that this team wasn’t going to hit very much even before the injuries started piling up.

    Maybe not the worst Yankee hitting team in the last 20-25 years but you didn’t have to be a genius to predict that this team was going to struggle to score runs.

    The roster had been trending that way since 2010 and they haven’t had any real plan in place to stop that trend.

    Cashman was all about “pitching is they key to the kingdom.”

  29. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    I think the Yankees should just assume this man will never play 3B for them again.
    ==============================
    He might be here next week.

  30. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Chip July 29th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    “… Then again, I honestly have no idea what matters most to Hal…”

    ================

    I really think it’s about re-setting the Luxury Tax equation.

    IMHO – I think they hate investing into ‘other clubs’ — but wouldn’t mind so much investing into the Yankees…

    I think most people would feel this way.

    The 189 remains (unless the bizzarro gymnastics of the A-Rod situation changes the math)

    189 remains – if the Tax Rate isn’t reduced by A-Rod’s fallout.

  31. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    I’m happy we have Soriano for this year…not so happy that we are stuck with him, Wells and Ichiro for 2014.
    ___

    I actually don’t think this will be all that bad, bench wise.
    Ichiro will still hit for a respectable average and give us good defense.
    Wells can be a bat on the bench.
    Soriano can DH.
    I also wouldnt be surprised to see Grandy back in 2014 too.
    Out OF prospects are still a year out. (Heathcott and Austin) – Williams at least 2.

  32. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I think the Yankees should just assume this man will never play 3B for them again.
    ==============================
    He might be here next week.
    ___

    Yes but playing 3B?

    The report from the minors is he can hit, but cant field and cant accelerate.
    Him and Jeter on the left side would be a hitters dream right now.

  33. JobaTipsHisCap July 29th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    they should learn to accept the fact and move on.

  34. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Knowing the PR machine that Selig runs, there could be major announcements beginning around the 5 PM news hour.

  35. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Roid Rage & Big Papi!

    What would have happened if ARod had done this? ESPN would have crucified him & used it to add more evidence of ROID useage!

    Big Papi gets an ESPN moment of Awe & Awe-Shucks! Can anyone say Bias???

  36. RhapsodyInBlue July 29th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Middlebrooks is a failed prospect based on what? A few months up in the majors?

    Not a fan of the Red Sox but it’s far too soon to draw conclusions on Middlebrooks.

  37. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 5m
    A-Rod’s lawyer said they are focused on an appeal.

    ____

    This must be why we havent hears Alex’s suspension yet. Since CBA says they dont announce until appeal process is done. My guess is they are trying to get him on 50 + 1 season.

  38. JobaTipsHisCap July 29th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
    Somehow Papi has been elevated to Icon status by MLB.
    When was the last time he has been thrown at?
    Why all the fear and respect for this guy?

    **********

    I couldn’t figure out; this shows how weak Yankee management/pitching staff is.

  39. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Yes but playing 3B?
    ===========
    If he’s here he will eventually have to play 3rd.
    If they have a shot at a 3B for the next 2 months, this has to be taken into consideration.

  40. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    A-Rod’s lawyer said they are focused on an appeal.
    =========
    No. Duh.

  41. Captain Clutch July 29th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    What a surprise….
    —————

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Source: As of yesterday, the #Yankees had not received a single trade offer for RHP Phil Hughes.

  42. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Middlebrooks is only 25. That’s younger than David Adams. He’s nothing like a failed prospect. He may turn out a bust, but not yet.

  43. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    Roid Rage & Big Papi!

    What would have happened if ARod had done this? ESPN would have crucified him & used it to add more evidence of ROID useage!

    Big Papi gets an ESPN moment of Awe & Awe-Shucks! Can anyone say Bias???
    ==============================

    Agreed !
    ESPN – a necessary evil.
    Wish there was an alternative to it; really it IS so biased….makes it so frustrating to watch !

    (all sports included)

  44. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Mick
    Yes. Hughes is scheduled to pitch on Sunday at Padres
    7 days because of the day off today and Thurs.

  45. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    I agree on the Sox’ need for SP. It sound like Buchholz won’t be back until August at the earliest. They need a shutdown arm (or close to it).

  46. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Yes. Hughes is scheduled to pitch on Sunday at Padres
    ==============
    he can still be traded.

  47. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    http://blog.sfgate.com/ostler/.....mlb-again/

    Re-posting the Victor Conte/Biogenesis article again for
    any of you that missed the original post earlier today

  48. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    why not trade hughes to boston for middlebrooks?

  49. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    I would love that.

  50. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    deep RF at fenway.

  51. bwolfsohn July 29th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    #5

    If cano will bring back a haul, then send him packing.. He may be the best second baseman on the planet, but he can also help establish the yankees for the next few years if they can get enough for him…

    if they can’t get a bunch, then don’t deal him.. I’d even give the other team a window to sign him if they sent us a better haul, but i’d want a good haul even if they fail to extend him…

    gardner is a tradeable commodity, but i don’t see him bringing back enough to make trading him viable.

    Joba and hughes can also go if the return is decent.

    I’m hoping texas or st louis (the two teams with the best farms) have a major problem at second base in the next 2 days..

  52. blake July 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    My confidence level in this team for this year rose yesterday when I saw Jeter play seemingly healthy…..now he does bring some intangibles that you can’t quantify fully but tangibly he destroys LHP and that’ll help them so much.

    I still don’t think they are a good team and think objectively that they should sell…..but at the same time I feel better about their chances today than I did 2 days ago….and if Cashman can add another bat then you never know……they have to get CC fixed too or it’s all for nothing

  53. JobaTipsHisCap July 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    hmmm, probably sux wouldn’t be that stupid…..

  54. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Armed with voluminous evidence they believe would warrant lifetime banishment, Major League Baseball officials hope to know by Monday if Alex Rodriguez will agree to a deal that would effectively end the Yankee third baseman’s career but possibly preserve a big portion of the remaining $100 million on his contract.
    ___

    This paragraph makes no sense.
    If they hit him with a lifetime ban, how exactly does he continue to get paid?
    A suspension means you dont get paid so a ban is basically a permanent suspension no?

  55. Captain Clutch July 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    It sounds like we are going to see the circus….I mean Arod in 2 weeks or so.

    He is obviously going to appeal his suspension so he will be able to play until a decision is made.

    Being away in Tampa is one thing but when he is with the team I really hope that he isn’t a huge distraction to them.

    The media coverage is going to be insane.

  56. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    how about they go for howie kendricks.
    this way if cano is a no go, howie steps in.

  57. JD July 29th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    mick- That actually makes sense but don’t think Red Sox would do it.

  58. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    throw in joba and youk.

  59. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    how about they go for howie kendricks.
    this way if cano is a no go, howie steps in.
    ____

    Someone suggested Trumbo too.
    He has played OF, 3B and 1B (not very well but still).
    He can hit.
    We need 3B and 1B and a RH bat.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “Re: Ortiz. I cannot believe MLB saw nothing there! It was a dangerous situation he put his teammates and Red Sox staff in. Moreover, there was no call for that kind of response, given the game circumstances. That it became a joke before 24 hours had passed is unbelievable. Aggravating. Mind-boggling. A travesty.”

    Bud Selig loves John Henry.

    And for those who continue to deny that there has been favoritism or collusion between MLB and the SUX, continue to live in your fool’s paradise.

  61. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
    Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
    Sources: Red Sox remain engaged in talks for multiple pitchers, including Cliff Lee and Jake Peavy.

    I’m thinking Will Middlebrooks+ for Cliff Lee. Then the Sox can bring up Xander Bogaerts to play 3b the rest of the year. Look out.
    —————-

    I wouldn’t trade Hughes for Middlebrooks…

  62. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    - YANKEE BATTING ORDER – (after the trade deadline)

    (1) GARDNER (CF)

    (2) JEET (SS)

    (3) CANO (2B)

    (4) SORIANO (DH)

    (5) MORNEAU (1B)

    (6) ICHIRO (RF)

    (7) STEWART (C)

    (8) GRANDERSON (LF)

    (9) LILLIBRIDGE (3B)
    Kubel and Nunez (L\R) off the bench.

  63. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    I’d definitely rather have a first round pick than Wil Middlebrooks.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    ac1, I believe they key words are “effectivelty end”.

  65. blake July 29th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    RadioKev says:
    July 29, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    I’d definitely rather have a first round pick than Wil Middlebrooks.

    Eh….prospects have bad years and then bounce back sometimes…..a sandwich pick may never get out of A ball…..Id rather have middlebrooks. That said….the Yanks and Sox don’t trade with each other

  66. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Re: yankees we have NOW.
    It’s time to start playing Romine regularly.
    Stewart is 3-34 or something….
    Romine is on the way up – average jumped almost 100 points this month, hitting more regularly and playing good catcher. I also believed yesterday Romine should have PH for Stewie in the 9th.

  67. bwolfsohn July 29th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Armed with voluminous evidence they believe would warrant lifetime banishment, Major League Baseball officials hope to know by Monday if Alex Rodriguez will agree to a deal that would effectively end the Yankee third baseman’s career but possibly preserve a big portion of the remaining $100 million on his contract.
    ___

    This paragraph makes no sense.
    If they hit him with a lifetime ban, how exactly does he continue to get paid?
    A suspension means you dont get paid so a ban is basically a permanent suspension no?

    —————–
    AC1,

    a suspension through 2014 with “effectively end his career, and they’d negotiate over what $$$ he would get for the rest of his contract from yankees, and insurance

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    “He is obviously going to appeal his suspension so he will be able to play until a decision is made.

    Being away in Tampa is one thing but when he is with the team I really hope that he isn’t a huge distraction to them.

    The media coverage is going to be insane.”

    If there’s justice he’ll get injured in his first AB and it will be a season-ending injury, better still a career-ending injury. The Yankees deserve so much better than to have that cheating nitwit back causing a never-ending circus to a team that hardly needs a distraction. Though maybe he can stand around and see if he can get phone numbers from females in the stands while the rest of the team is fighting tooth and nail to win.

    Waste of space.

  69. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    “Re: Ortiz. I cannot believe MLB saw nothing there! It was a dangerous situation he put his teammates and Red Sox staff in. Moreover, there was no call for that kind of response, given the game circumstances. That it became a joke before 24 hours had passed is unbelievable. Aggravating. Mind-boggling. A travesty.”

    Bud Selig loves John Henry.

    And for those who continue to deny that there has been favoritism or collusion between MLB and the SUX, continue to live in your fool’s paradise.
    ————————————————————————————————–

    What a joke. I’m sure ESPN will devote about 5 secs to this story. You won’t see ESPN
    go after Ortiz, send a reporter to Boston, etc…..Sweep that under the rug. Just like
    Bud Selig and MLB does from time to time.

  70. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    mick- That actually makes sense but don’t think Red Sox would do it.

    I actually see them being right in the mix for him when the season is over.

    Calling Middlebrooks a bust at this point is a bit premature.

    even if they get to keep Boegarts, they still have the pieces that can make either of those trades happen without him.
    I’m guessing that whatever they give away in re to players, if they’re including Middlebrooks to Philly, then Young will come back their way, so they’ll get Lee and Young in one fell swoop and not really harm their future in the interim, since Boegarts is the superior player and 5 years younger.
    If the Red Sox want Lee, they can almost match (lookimg at it unbiased) any package a contending team can put out there.

  71. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Those of you that wanta throw in the towel, need to rewatch yesterday’s game. The Yanks beat the Best team in the AL, and did it with Phil (Homer) Hughes on the mound. NUFF SAID

  72. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    “He is obviously going to appeal his suspension so he will be able to play until a decision is made.

    Being away in Tampa is one thing but when he is with the team I really hope that he isn’t a huge distraction to them.

    The media coverage is going to be insane.”

    If there’s justice he’ll get injured in his first AB and it will be a season-ending injury, better still a career-ending injury.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You should be ashamed of yourself.
    Are you looking for a Tony C. situation when ARod steps into the box?
    WTH!!!!!

  73. Mike in Harrisburg July 29th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    As I see it, if all A-Rod cares about the money, he can STILL come back after 2014 or even 2015 and the Yankees still have an obligation to pay him what he is owed. He could be getting around in a walker by that point but I don’t think the Yankees have any alternative if he does not retire or unless he is banned “for life.”

  74. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    He hit a phone with a bat. He didn’t kill a puppy. No different, really, than Paulie beating up a water cooler in the day. It happened on the regular. Guys lose their tempers –
    If it was GGBG, we’d all be asking what the outrage was over – nobody got hurt.

    Are we really stretching for a suspension because someone “could” have gotten hurt?

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    “Source: As of yesterday, the #Yankees had not received a single trade offer for RHP Phil Hughes.”

    5 ER in his latest outing likely did little to engender interest.

    Put him in the pen and let Adam Warren start in his place. My guess is Warren would do better, if even marginally.

  76. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Those of you that wanta throw in the towel, need to rewatch yesterday’s game. The Yanks beat the Best team in the AL, and did it with Phil (Homer) Hughes on the mound. NUFF SAID
    ___

    Let’s be real here.
    And count me in one that is NOT giving up 2013.
    We won that game, but Hughes had ZERO to do with it.
    He blew TWO leads and pitched 4 innings?

  77. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    “Source: As of yesterday, the #Yankees had not received a single trade offer for RHP Phil Hughes.”

    5 ER in his latest outing likely did little to engender interest.

    Put him in the pen and let Adam Warren start in his place. My guess is Warren would do better, if even marginally.
    ———————————————————————————–
    I trust Warren a lot more right now.
    Especially in The Bronx.

  78. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I would be highly disturbed if Brett Gardner suddenly destroyed a phone like Ortiz did. That would be so bizarrely out of character.

    It was very much Ortiz’s character to do that. He’s a huge baby. And the Boston media still finds new ways to defend him.

  79. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    That’s my point. The Yanks defeated the Best team in the AL, and did it with a Bum on the mound.

  80. David in Cal July 29th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    #5 would be my choice if I had the power.

  81. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    I would be highly disturbed if Brett Gardner suddenly destroyed a phone like Ortiz did. That would be so bizarrely out of character.

    It was very much Ortiz’s character to do that. He’s a huge baby. And the Boston media still finds new ways to defend him.
    ————————————————————
    Ya know what:
    The SF media went out of their way to defend
    Barry Bonds when he was winning games, MVP’s and filling up their stadium with paying
    customers.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “He hit a phone with a bat.”

    I’ll say! And if you saw the footage, it was sheer luck that nobody got hurt. I think the thing that digusts me the most is that he did it in someone else’s house. Did Paul O’Neill kill water coolers in places other than the Stadium? You can take money out of someone’s check if they trash something where they work. It was sheer ignorance for him to do it in Batimore.

    Roid rage. It’ll get you all the time.

  83. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Those of you that wanta throw in the towel, need to rewatch yesterday’s game. The Yanks beat the Best team in the AL, and did it with Phil (Homer) Hughes on the mound. NUFF SAID

    Really? What about the two games before that? And the two of three before that? And the June before that? Or are we now counting “almosts”

  84. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Yeah I dont see the big deal with Ortiz’s ‘roid’ rage. Pay for the new phone and call it a day. The only thing they should look at is he came back on the field after be broke it to bully the ump some more.

    In Ortiz’s defense, did you see the 3-0 called strike? That being said, he gets away with so much, he should stop crying the one time it goes against him.

  85. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    In Ortiz’s defense, did you see the 3-0 called strike? That being said, he gets away with so much, he should stop crying the one time it goes against him.
    ———

    I did. The NESN Strike Zone called it a strike.

  86. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    The Ortiz tantrum is No different than the “Manny Being Manny” hijinks that went on once upon a time. Same old, same old.

  87. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Trisha – yes.

    http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/t.....7page3.htm

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    “I trust Warren a lot more right now.
    Especially in The Bronx

    Absolutely. Someone else here suggested that juxtaposition the other day. It hadn’t even occured to me, to tell you the truth.

  89. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    did. The NESN Strike Zone called it a strike.

    No, no it didn’t.

    It was throat high. It’s right on pitchFX if you care to look.

  90. Captain Clutch July 29th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Put him in the pen and let Adam Warren start
    ————

    I would leave him in the rotation until Phelps comes back, which should be in 2 weeks or so. Then put him in the bullpen. He is obviously not going to be here next year so why waste anymore games thinking that he will improve over night. It’s time to move on.

  91. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    I trust Warren a lot more right now.

    I think that’s the common theme here. Most of the Phranchise support has fallen off at this point.

  92. mick July 29th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Put him in the pen and let Adam Warren start in his place. My guess is Warren would do better, if even marginally.
    ===============
    Phelps is next in line.

  93. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    did. The NESN Strike Zone called it a strike.

    No, no it didn’t.

    It was throat high. It’s right on pitchFX if you care to look.
    ———–

    http://mlb.si.com/2013/07/27/w.....izs-wrath/

    I didn’t see this live. Am I missing something here?

  94. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Of course we get the guy who cant up his game in his walk year. Shows he is exactly what we have seen all these years. 4.5 era #5 starter. God help the team that offers 4 years and 50 mil.

  95. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    “I trust Warren a lot more right now.
    Especially in The Bronx

    Absolutely. Someone else here suggested that juxtaposition the other day. It hadn’t even occured to me, to tell you the truth.
    —————————————————
    Warren has a 3.54 ERA
    1.30 WHIP

    Similar to Hughes but its obvious to see that Warren has a lot more confidence
    on the mound.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Manning Rules – without fine-toothing that article I couldn’t really figure out where O’Neill did what. I’m not defending that behavior, but what a difference between someone reacting because they are upset with themselves for not playing better, and an overgrown ‘roided out cheat reacting all the time because he doesn’t agree with the calls.

  97. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    And while we are on the subject of the Strike Zone aka The K Zone, why is it the Top and Bottom of these zones NEVER changes. The Top and Bottom of a hitters K Zone is dictated by roughly his armpits and knees, AND his Natural batting stance. Today, the K Zone we see on TV is the same for a player that is 6 Feet tall or 7 Feet tall. The Top and Bottom of the K Zone on TV is erroneous.

  98. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Giving up the pitch before it was even delivered, how the hell does Ortiz even know where it is?

  99. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    I just watched it.

    I probably could have been called a strike if Jon Smoltz was pitching (it was high). Not as high as I thought it was, but it’s a ball just by looking at it.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    “Phelps is next in line.”

    Phelps is injured, no?

  101. exiledintampa July 29th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Well maybe we get to see how well Hughes pitches in San Diego. Since everyone seems to think he would do better there. If he gets hit there then he needs to go to the pen ASAP.

  102. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    I just watched it.

    I probably could have been called a strike if Jon Smoltz was pitching (it was high). Not as high as I thought it was, but it’s a ball just by looking at it.
    ———–

    It’s a borderline high strike, but worse strike calls are made on a daily basis.

    Ortiz is a man of no class. That’s absolutely not worth flipping out over.

  103. blake July 29th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    @jay_jaffe: A-Rod has every reason to believe he’ll get a more fair hearing in front of ind. arbitrator than from commish trying to score political pts

    Absolutely

  104. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Give the Yanks Morneau, and we got us a Pennant.

  105. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Isn’t this around the same time of day when
    Braun was suspended 1 week ago?

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “Ortiz is a man of no class”

    Unequivocally true and proven time and again.

  107. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Manning Rules – without fine-toothing that article I couldn’t really figure out where O’Neill did what. I’m not defending that behavior, but what a difference between someone reacting because they are upset with themselves for not playing better, and an overgrown ‘roided out cheat reacting all the time because he doesn’t agree with the calls.

    That’s fine, Trisha. If you wanna justify one type of outburst while simultaneously blanketing another, it’s your opinion. But I saw, plenty of times, Paulie beat the holy heck out of something because he struck out or any number of things. The article just points out how fast he would snap – regardless of location.
    I personally don’t support either, but understand both. I don’t feel the need to blame the outbursts on nothing other than temper and childish behavior from both.

  108. JD July 29th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    At this point there is no way that any GM is buying that the Yankees will give Hughes the QO.

  109. mick July 29th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    phelps is about ready.

  110. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    It’s a borderline high strike, but worse strike calls are made on a daily basis.

    Ortiz is a man of no class. That’s absolutely not worth flipping out over.

    I’m not gonna argue over it, obviously, but I just don’t get the outrage over any of it. I guy blew up. It happens, literally, all the time.
    I’m quite sure if Ortiz was closing in on 500HR in YS, all of our opinions would be different.
    It’s just my opinion.

  111. mick July 29th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    why aren’t rangers making a deal to replace cruz?

  112. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    We got people around here that even wanted to QO Martin. They know who they are.

  113. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    We got people around here that even wanted to QO Martin. They know who they are.

    lol

  114. mick July 29th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    ortiz is all about intimidation.

  115. mick July 29th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    its why he is so comfortable in the box.

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    “I don’t feel the need to blame the outbursts on nothing other than temper and childish behavior from both.”

    Hey, weren’t you the one who attempted to correct my grammar the other day? If so, I will tell you that your sentence needs revision! Otherwise, never mind. In either event, I understand what you’re saying though I disagree about the reasonsfor the outbursts.

    It’s clear to me, anyway, that Ortiz has continued with his milkshakes. This kind of rage, plus the body continually breaking down, are both indicators – not to mention his career season at the age of 37.

    Must be nice to have protection from people in high places.

  117. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    t’s clear to me, anyway, that Ortiz has continued with his milkshakes. This kind of rage, plus the body continually breaking down, are both indicators – not to mention his career season at the age of 37

    He’s having nowhere near a career year.

  118. mick July 29th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    ESPN is located in New England somewhere.
    Is Papi the landlord?

  119. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    And yes, my posts do need revision. I’m having trouble typing on this new phone. I went from a Iphone to a S4 and while bigger, the texting is more complicated for sure.

  120. mick July 29th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Who needs an Iphone?

  121. igotid88 July 29th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    They don’t really need to trade Hughes. Unless they’re going to get something big or some really good prospects. Before yesterday he was pitching to a 2.56 era in July. He gives you more chances to win than not. Wish his numbers would be better but if you’re trading him then trade Pettitte and CC.

  122. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    There are a few categories that Ortiz is having as good a year as he has ever had, but lets be honest here, I’ll take my chances with the 2013 version of him over the 2003 thru 2007 version of him eight days a week.

  123. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Hughes is 4-9. So in 4 starts he has a 2.5 era? Would be nice if he didnt pitch more than 4 times. You can find a good 4 game stretch for any starter, even bad ones….

  124. igotid88 July 29th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    If Kuroda, Hughes, and Pettitte don’t come back next year, they’re only going to have 2 maybe 3 starters who can give them a full season

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    “If you wanna justify one type of outburst while simultaneously blanketing another, it’s your opinion”

    What in the following phrase would lead you to that conclusion? I’m not defending that behavior,

    More careful reading needed on your part.

    “I guy blew up. It happens, literally, all the time.”

    If it happened literally, we’d either have quite a mess on our hands, our there would be blow ups every second of every minute of every day. I’m not buying either.

    I’d appreciate links to footage of that kind of blow up, though. As with all things, there are degrees of anger, along with degrees of acceptability in terms of expression of anger. That was pure whacked out behavior. No question – roid rage.

    Drink on, fat man. MLB has your back.

  126. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    I prefer to look at the fact that in almost half of hughes’s starts, he hasnt gone past the 5th.

  127. igotid88 July 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    ac1 says:
    July 29, 2013 at 5:18 pm
    Hughes is 4-9. So in 4 starts he has a 2.5 era? Would be nice if he didnt pitch more than 4 times. You can find a good 4 game stretch for any starter, even bad ones…
    ————-

    Pettitte and CC have about the same era and have more wins. Because of run support. So does that make them better? If Hughes had gotten a win for all his good starts he’s probably have 9-10 wins. Would the narrative change if he was 9-6?

  128. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    f Kuroda, Hughes, and Pettitte don’t come back next year, they’re only going to have 2 maybe 3 starters who can give them a full season

    And if CC doesn’t start looking like himself, do you really want 200ip of that?

  129. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Hughes might be the 7th best starter on the 25 man roster.
    I have Phelps and Warren ahead of him at the moment.

  130. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    If your gonna keep Hughes, you gotta juggle the rotation so he pitches as Little as possible in Yankee Stadium.

  131. bruceb July 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    The fact that the Yankees have yet to receive one trade offer for Hughes speaks volumes. Doesn’t that imply that most GMs believe he will give up home runs in any ballpark?

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    “I’m quite sure if Ortiz was closing in on 500HR in YS, all of our opinions would be different.
    It’s just my opinion.”

    That’s such bullsh*t it isn’t funny. Do you bother reading and attempting to comprehend what you read? Did you see the number of posters here who don’t want Arod back? I’d say that “all of our opinions” are hardly in synch with what you just said. Some of ours unequivocally are not.

    Not everyone embraces cheating and outrageous behavior, I don’t care how many homers the perp can hit!

  133. exiledintampa July 29th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    I remember seeing Paulie break his bat on a YS homerun that he didn’t think was goin out. He was so mad. lol

  134. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    igotid88 July 29th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    ac1 says:
    July 29, 2013 at 5:18 pm
    Hughes is 4-9. So in 4 starts he has a 2.5 era? Would be nice if he didnt pitch more than 4 times. You can find a good 4 game stretch for any starter, even bad ones…
    ————-

    Pettitte and CC have about the same era and have more wins. Because of run support. So does that make them better? If Hughes had gotten a win for all his good starts he’s probably have 9-10 wins. Would the narrative change if he was 9-6?
    ————————————————————————————–
    Possible. Hughes allows far too many HR’s. Pitching in a “small” park like YS
    is not suited for him.
    If nobody wants to trade for him, then the next best option is
    to offer him a qualifying offer and hope to gain a 1st round pick for losing him
    to another team in 2014

    If the Yankees make the playoffs, I want Hughes pitching out of the pen. Not as a starter.

  135. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Warning, phelps isnt on the 25 man right now but i agree. I still have more faith in cc and pettitte over hughes…. Not just those guys but warren and nova, plus i would rather watch pineda or nuno.

  136. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Reports: A-Rod suspension could be imminent

    Update at 5:27 pm
    A-Rod suspension near

    HAHAHA!!

  137. igotid88 July 29th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Some of that can be explained. His first 2 starts were basically Spring training. And the game against Kansas City he wasn’t allowed to go back out after the long rain delay. A game in which he retired 8 of the last 9 batters. So that’s 3 of the 7

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    “The fact that the Yankees have yet to receive one trade offer for Hughes speaks volumes. Doesn’t that imply that most GMs believe he will give up home runs in any ballpark?”

    You know bruceb, it could be a combination of things. I don’t think his latest outing instilled confidence, and unfortunately he’s had a few of those in the recent past. Maybe if the trade deadline had come around the time the Yanks were on the road and Phil had turned in some of his better games, it might be different.

    Unfortunately.

    I am only hoping that the Yanks just suck it up for now and get him back in the pen, and then do what they have to do in the off season. I’d hate to see him continue to be trotted out there time and again as part of the rotation, especially when they have options.

  139. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    ac1
    what is the latest on Pineda? i can’t remember if he pitched again over
    the weekend of if he is scheduled to pitch again tomorrow???

    you’re right about Phelps. he is currently on the DL.

  140. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    “I’m not defending that behavior”

    I wasn’t suggesting you were defending, but rather, you justified Paulie’s outburst to something different than Ortiz’, when in fact, they’re one and the same.

    And, you’re right, i was speaking in purely exaggerated terms. It doesn’t happen all the time, but it happens, and it happens frequently.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    “Reports: A-Rod suspension could be imminent

    Update at 5:27 pm
    A-Rod suspension near

    HAHAHA!!”

    Good call, Warning!

  142. ManningRules July 29th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    That’s such bullsh*t it isn’t funny. Do you bother reading and attempting to comprehend what you read? Did you see the number of posters here who don’t want Arod back? I’d say that “all of our opinions” are hardly in synch with what you just said. Some of ours unequivocally are not.

    Not everyone embraces cheating and outrageous behavior, I don’t care how many homers the perp can hit!

    Oh please. Guys don’t want ARod back here for the same reasons I don’t. Get off that proverbial high horse, Trisha. If ARod came back two weeks ago, and had since gone 12-20 with 4HR and two walk-off hits, not a single person here would be condemning the man to purgatory.
    Let’s not be silly here.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    “And, you’re right, i was speaking in purely exaggerated terms. It doesn’t happen all the time, but it happens, and it happens frequently.”

    I do not believe it happens to that destructive extent. I’ve seen players throw down their equipment, and I’ve seen players punch or kick the wall, but I’ve yet to see someon batter the hell out of a dugout phone. That slob has gotten freedom of rein because of who he knows. He’s uncontrollable.

  144. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    “If ARod came back two weeks ago, and had since gone 12-20 with 4HR and two walk-off hits, not a single person here would be condemning the man to purgatory.”

    You don’t know me pal. Or Ys Guy or some of the others here. You’re still new. Maybe you should save your unequivocal pronouncements until you really get to know the players here.

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    I don’t elevate cheaters no matter what.

  146. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    I know this much:
    If ARod returns and help the team win games with his bat, I am cheering him.
    Just like I cheered for him back in 2009.
    About 6 or 7 months after he admitted to PED use from 2001-2003

  147. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    When Jeter pretended to get hit by a pitch and took first knowing that the ball never touched him, is that cheating?

  148. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    I can give a thousand examples of ” cheating in baseball”.

  149. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Good grief. The Ortiz outburst is no big deal.

    O’Neill earned his “warrior” nickname from The Boss because of his intensity and temper tantrums and taking out his frustrations on inanimate objects.

    Whether you’re mad at yourself or the umpire you’re still caught on camera beating the sh!t out of an inanimate object with a baseball bat.

    There’s no difference between the two. None.

  150. DONNYBROOK July 29th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    A-Rod could go 20-20 and I wouldn’t touch the clown. As I have said, Hal should sit down with him, tell him to either settle, or the remainder of his Yankee days will be spent on the pine.

  151. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Tar July 29th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    When Jeter pretended to get hit by a pitch and took first knowing that the ball never touched him, is that cheating?

    ——-

    Good point. And the answer is YES.

    Oh, the horror!!!

  152. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    When Jeter pretended to get hit by a pitch and took first knowing that the ball never touched him, is that cheating?
    ==============
    No. It’s part of the game.
    It’s not up to him to inform or correct the ump.

  153. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Tar July 29th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    When Jeter pretended to get hit by a pitch and took first knowing that the ball never touched him, is that cheating?
    ——–

    No… no it’s not. What is against the rules about working the umpire? It’s his job to make call the strikes and balls, not the hitter.

  154. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    No. It’s part of the game.
    It’s not up to him to inform or correct the ump.

    You’re saying cheating is part of the game. Which is why PEDs are no big deal.

  155. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Just as the ump doesn’t consult with the player, the player is not obligated to consult with the ump.

  156. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
    When Jeter pretended to get hit by a pitch and took first knowing that the ball never touched him, is that cheating?
    ==============
    No. It’s part of the game.
    It’s not up to him to inform or correct the ump.
    —————————————————————-
    Sorry Mick, but that can be described as cheating.
    To deceive by trickery; swindle:
    To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:

  157. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    PEDS force average players to cheat to keep up.

  158. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    No… no it’s not. What is against the rules about working the umpire? It’s his job to make call the strikes and balls, not the hitter.

    ??? The rules of baseball are that if the pitcher hits the batter they get a free base. Pretending to be hit, which is what Jeter did reacting in a false manner, was cheating.

  159. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    I neither ask not require anything of another that I don’t ask or require of myself.

    I suspect it’s the same for all people here.

    The world is full of people willing to shirk the law or turn their head to others doing it. I’m just not one of them.

    Stated another way, one person’s “no big deal” can easily be another’s “totally unacceptable.”

    “A-Rod could go 20-20 and I wouldn’t touch the clown. As I have said, Hal should sit down with him, tell him to either settle, or the remainder of his Yankee days will be spent on the pine.”

    Thank you DONNY. You have at least proved my point.

  160. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    This is like saying throwing a spitball, using foreign substances, or scuffing are not cheating because its not up to the pitcher to inform the umpire of their using.

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    “??? The rules of baseball are that if the pitcher hits the batter they get a free base. Pretending to be hit, which is what Jeter did reacting in a false manner, was cheating.”

    Yes it was. And I’d be lying if I were to say my respect for Jeter didn’t suffer that day.

  162. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    “Cheating” is part of the game, always has been.

  163. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Reports: A-Rod suspension could be imminent

    Update at 5:27 pm
    A-Rod suspension near

    Update at 6:06 pm
    A-Rod suspension near

    HAHAHA!!

  164. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    Against All Odds stated my case nicely one night when he said that he suspected that I was one of the peoplewho always believed the game was played fairly, without cheating, and my reactions to the cheating going on is much a function of that as it is to my own ethical code.

  165. Against All Odds July 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Tar July 29th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
    “Cheating” is part of the game, always has been.

    ————–

    And PEDs are just the next step in cheating.

  166. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Do you actually believe that? Because its clearly not true. Cheating has been at the soul of baseball since its creation.

  167. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Reports: A-Rod suspension could be imminent”

    Which could mean his appeal is also imminent and here we go again

  168. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Oh, c’mon.

    These guys aren’t monks.

    They are just ballplayers trying to win ballgames and it’s only logical that many if not most of them are trying to gain an edge on their competition.

  169. ac1 July 29th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Arod drama will never end.
    Either way, he is likely out for all of 2014.

  170. Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    If a player pretends like they got hit, that is cheating.

  171. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    Do you actually believe that? Because its clearly not true. Cheating has been at the soul of baseball since its creation.
    ———

    Well sure, the roots of baseball were rough and of the hooligans. I don’t think means the soul of the game itself is based around cheating.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloa....._rules.pdf

    And don’t make me read this thing. I will if I have to. I will bet anything that putting a foreign substance on a baseball is illegal and that using performance enhancing drugs is illegal, and in the rules.

    However I highly doubt letting an umpire award you a base when you weren’t hit is in there.

  172. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    I wish I had a way to prove this but I think Alex would have been better longer term if he never used…..I think he may have actually broken the homer record if he had stayed clean. He never needed them ……he was born to play baseball and he screwed it up ……that part is somewhat tragic…..that we never got to see what he could have been

  173. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
    If a player pretends like they got hit, that is cheating.
    ————

    And Jeter was promptly awarded the base, and THEN started faking. There’s a difference ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U9jttDSUCg

  174. austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

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  176. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Lol, do you guys remember when Cone admitted to cheating on YES during a game once and Kay was scandalized??

  177. austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    If the Yankees play AROD I will hope he hits for my team’s sake. If they somehow refuse to play him I support the stand. I have supported the team through drunks, drug addicts, wife swappers and the rest.

  178. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    How many bad calls at 2B have we had called against us on steals?
    Did the ump ask the player or Mgrs opinion?
    It’s not the players job to correct the ump.

  179. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    I don’t get bent out of shape over steroids but it’s some tortured logic to equate faking bein hit by a pitchg to using illegal PEDs……for one thing the matter is against the law

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    “Do you actually believe that? Because its clearly not true. Cheating has been at the soul of baseball since its creation.”

    Yes, I actually believed that. I did.

  181. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Latter

  182. Shame Spencer July 29th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Let the records show that yelling ‘HA!’ at a third baseman is also not cheating. :twisted:

  183. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    So the only thing the Yankees have to trade for a bat is a bowl of turd soup?

    This deadline is going to SUCK

  184. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    “Cheating” is part of the game, always has been.
    ======================
    Not all cheating is the same.
    Jeter also might have been hit and didn’t know it.
    The umps can also make a mistake or better yet, maybe the ump is cheating.

  185. facts not fiction July 29th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    it is not logic at all, blake. it is stupidity. it is someone who is so full of himself that he thinks he’s smart. in reality, he’s not.

  186. austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    If AROD appeals, the Yankees could file suit attempting to void the contract by saying he committed fraud by telling them, in essence, his recent past performance could be expected in a clean future. It certainly is true, we don’t know what to expect from a newly clean player. Who is he really?

    It seems to me, as an logical rather than legal thought, it is fundamentally unfair for a team like the Brewers to pay for a now clean Braun who may be very diminished.

  187. Barry July 29th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    According to MLB suspension is imminent for Arod. I am taking this opportunity to remind the peole on this board that when Alex came to the team there was an overwhelming support, at Jeter’s expense, that he was if not the greatest player of all time the greatest shortsop. Neither is and was the correct answer. The Players’ Association — and its membership — agree. This guy is poison. Albeit an occasionally likeable variation. The current team doesn’t have to panic at all. They have a pair of big bats newly arrived and a third, Curtis, on the way. Whoever believes that a team in New York should throw in the towel and rebuild for 2015 and beyond doesn’t understand that it may rain tomorrow.

  188. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Nah JF just thinks steroids should be legal and therefore not cheating…..

  189. tomingeorgia July 29th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    trisha,
    Do you always believe your clients are innocent before you represent them?

  190. austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Buster,

    The scary thing is what the lack of trade material says about the system as a whole. Where in the world are good, young players?

  191. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    tomingeorgia July 29th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    trisha,
    Do you always believe your clients are innocent before you represent them?
    ———————————-
    Great question
    I wonder if the answer will live up to your expectations.

  192. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    I draw the line on cheating if and when it effects another life.
    Guys who do steroids jeopardize the lives of other players who don’t want to do them.
    How any fan can be in favor of this shows a lack of morality and ethics.

  193. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Nah JF just thinks steroids should be legal
    ===============
    give me one good reason why?

  194. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    “trisha,
    Do you always believe your clients are innocent before you represent them?”

    Absoutely or I wouldn’t represent them. And if I have any doubt whatsoever after consultation I don’t take the case.

  195. Tar July 29th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    The announcers were praising Molina the other day for being a good cheater. Only they called it pitch framing. Which is nothing more than deceiving the ump into thinking a ball is actually a strike.

    Cheater!!!!

  196. Warning Track Power July 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Trish
    Based on your answer above, why do you feel that
    ARod is guilty of PED use at the Biogenesis clinic?

  197. tomingeorgia July 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    WTP,
    Whether it does or not, I like trisha, and share her optimism. Let’s go, Yanks!

  198. thesheist July 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Anyone still want Ian Kennedy back?

    “MLB.com’s Peter Gammons reports that the Diamondbacks are shopping Ian Kennedy and Kubel.

    Gammons notes that the D’Backs could trade the duo in order to clear payroll space for the addition of Jake Peavy, who is a personal favorite of general manager Kevin Towers. It wouldn’t be a great time to deal Kennedy or Kubel, as both are in the midst of disappointing seasons. However, if the main goal is clearing payroll space, perhaps the Arizona would be willing to sell low on them. The latest report says the White Sox are leaning towards keeping Peavy, but that could certainly change over the next couple days.”

  199. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    The announcers were praising Molina the other day for being a good cheater. Only they called it pitch framing. Which is nothing more than deceiving the ump into thinking a ball is actually a strike.
    =========
    I know you are joking…so I won’t say anything.

  200. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    “Guys who do steroids jeopardize the lives of other players who don’t want to do them.
    How any fan can be in favor of this shows a lack of morality and ethics.”

    Also jeopardize the livelihood.

    I respectfully agree with mick.

  201. Abe Peterham July 29th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    What would u do if Detroit offered 3 GREAT prospects for Mo as their closer…
    It would be the ultimate altruistic final act on Mo’s behalf to accept the trade as a thank you to the fans

  202. Giuseppe Franco July 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    The scary thing is what the lack of trade material says about the system as a whole. Where in the world are good, young players?

    —–

    Well, sadly, in most other systems not associated with the Yanks.

    We can thank Cashman and his developmental staff for that.

  203. RayVT July 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Jerkface July 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    While you are indeed correct somewhat in your statement regarding cheating, it is a matter of truly crossing the line that is now in question with PEDS.

    Cheating by stealing signs, spitballs, sandpaper, files, vaseline, loading bats, pinetar (LOL!), freezing the baseballs, watering the infield extra, tall grass, raising or lowering the mound & etc. are all temporary & also are part of the game to get an edge so to speak. (Yogi in CF with binoculars signallig the pitches.) Every team has done something along these lines.

    While individuals like Bonds & ARod get scrutinized and others get lifted up like McGwire, Ortiz, Bagwell & even Caminetti (before he died) it is much more prolific & basically undetectable from a team or league standpoint.

    Did you ever wonder why the RSox all had beards? Note it hides a lot of the effects of steroids & HGH. Certain kinds of injuries also are resultants on PEDs useage & lots of players have had them as well.

    Clearly PEDs is an issue, but not one that MLB truly wants to rid themselves of. PEDs affectes viewership with productions that bring FANS. If MLB could somehow show a strong stance on PEDs w/o really doing anything it would benefit them to do so. ARod is the poster boy for this. So you knock ARod out & trump up the Braun (he’s injured anyway & affects the Commish’s payroll positively) and you keep the outsiders (Congress & Fans) from interferring.

    ARod is a lightning rod. So he will blaze out & MLB will enjoy the burning at the stake. Ortiz, Kemp, Bautista, Cabrera, Sandoval, Howard etc all get passes.

    Things are not as they appear! Perhaps the STFU from Cashman was basically to distract our attention from the Yankee benefits & MLB benefits to having a scapegoat for PEDs. I wonder!

  204. austinmac July 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Tom,

    I once represented in a civil suit, through his insurance, a monk accused of pedophilia. Not my favorite assignment, but we have a system that works. The state or plaintiff must prove what they say to be true. Each side gets to have someone representing hit claimed version of the truth. The theory is, and I think good one, is that gets to truth.

    People say and make false claims sometimes. It is the court, arbitrator, or jury that decides the truth. Believe me, there are almost invariably two sides.

  205. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    If there’s justice he’ll get injured in his first AB and it will be a season-ending injury, better still a career-ending injury.
    ///

    Wow. disgusting.

  206. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Disgusting is wanting a known cheater back. Congratulations.

  207. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Wow. disgusting.
    ==========
    It’s not b/c you have Arod love is it?

  208. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Nah JF just thinks steroids should be legal
    ===============
    give me one good reason why?”

    Well to play Devils advocate….they improved the quality of play on the field which made the games more interesting than the often snooze tests you see today because nobody can score

  209. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Disgusting is wanting a known cheater back. Congratulations.
    ///

    No worries, trisha. Just you being you. The real you.

    Reading all that garbage you spew about “compassion” and invoking the bible, which everyone knows is a crock, this is actually refreshing.

    Rock on.

  210. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    What would u do if Detroit offered 3 GREAT prospects for Mo as their closer…
    It would be the ultimate altruistic final act on Mo’s behalf to accept the trade as a thank you to the fans

    Id offer then Drob instead

  211. tomingeorgia July 29th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Well, it’s not easy to find innocent defendants in RI. Gives more time to family occasions.

  212. J. Alfred Prufrock July 29th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Wow. disgusting.
    ==========
    It’s not b/c you have Arod love is it?
    ///

    Go find another female poster to troll under a fake name and make threatening calls to, why don’t you.

  213. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Well to play Devils advocate….they improved the quality of play on the field which made the games more interesting than the often snooze tests you see today because nobody can score
    ======================
    was waiting for that obvious answer which you evidently don’t believe as you couched it as devils advocate you selfish b@stard ;) its all about you right.

  214. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 29th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    “Trish
    Based on your answer above, why do you feel that
    ARod is guilty of PED use at the Biogenesis clinic?”

    Because I believe that the evidence they have is highly credible. I’ve practiced law long enough to be able to have a pretty good handle on party behavior, and people who are indemnifed with the threat of prison over their heads if they are found to be lying tend to tell the truth.

  215. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Go find another female poster to troll under a fake name and make threatening calls to, why don’t you.
    ======
    i found you.

    prove it, you are a known instigator.

  216. Jesus Bustero July 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    So both ATL and AZ are going after Peavy? Thus neither are ready to offer for Hughes. Hopefully we can declare the loser of that sweepstakes soon.

  217. mick July 29th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Reading all that garbage you spew about “compassion” and invoking the bible, which everyone knows is a crock, this is actually refreshing.
    ====================
    you are big on passive-aggressive BOLD statements that carry no weight.

  218. chicken_stanley July 29th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Shame Spencer says:July 29, 2013 at 6:27 pmL

    Let the records show that yelling ‘HA!’ at a third baseman is also not cheating. 

    Neither is cutting across the mound after making an out. But, on the other hand, it is a shortcut,… hmmm.. cheating is essentially taking a shortcut to success… maybe I need to reconsider :)

  219. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    “was waiting for that obvious answer which you evidently don’t believe as you couched it as devils advocate you selfish b@stard its all about you right.@

    I never said it was what I believed

  220. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
    What would u do if Detroit offered 3 GREAT prospects for Mo as their closer…
    It would be the ultimate altruistic final act on Mo’s behalf to accept the trade as a thank you to the fans

    Id offer then Drob instead
    ———–

    You’re really enjoying this “devil’s advocate” thing, huh? ;)

  221. 4 NYY July 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    The truth shall set you free A-Roid !

    Is the truth in you ?

  222. blake July 29th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    I want the game clean…..the only thing that bothers me is the sanctimony that gets brown around any time you talk about PEDs….some folks act like that Arod woukd have been some fringe bench player without help…..which is crazy and they also act like they are 100% sure that all the player from back in the golden years were all white as snow and totally clean when nobody knows.

    I’ve heard more public outcry over Arod and Braun than over what Aaron Herndanez did and that’s the truth

  223. UpState July 29th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

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    ———————————

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  224. RadioKev July 29th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

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    This is why it makes no sense to jump to “winning” or “losing” trades so early on. The Granderson trade is still playing itself out.

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