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Could the Yankees get impact for Joba?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Obviously things feel pretty quiet right now. With the trade deadline roughly 24 hours away, we’re still waiting for our first big move of the day. There’s a little bit of buzz around a handful of starting pitchers — Bud Norris, Cliff Lee, Jake Peavy — but there’s been no real action today.

The Yankees, in particular seem quiet. Joel Sherman just tweeted that they’re still on the lookout for a right-handed first baseman and “perhaps” a Joba Chamberlain move. The right-handed bat makes obvious sense given Lyle Overbay’s limitations, but in a handful of conversations this morning and afternoon, I have yet to find someone outside of the organization who thinks Chamberlain has any real value on the trade market.

“You certainly wouldn’t give up a prospect for Joba,” one scout said.

“You don’t trust the impact,” said one rival executive.

The executive noted that the Yankees could trade Chamberlain in a “move for the sake of move,” but not to get anything legitimate in return. Another executive from another team said that the “injury history hurts Joba as well.”

Makes sense for the Yankees to try to move him given that he’s fallen, basically, to the bottom of the bullpen pecking order, but it might be overly optimistic to expect much of anything in return.

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105 Responses to “Could the Yankees get impact for Joba?”

  1. mick July 30th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Joba isn’t as bad as it seems. It’s just that Claiborne and Kelley are better.

  2. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “Yeah blake we do need bats, but I wouldn’t do that. You always liked Noesi better than Nova, so it doesn’t surprise me that you would part with him.”

    You seriously wouldn’t make that deal for Giancarlo?

    I did like Noesi better as a prospect……but Nova wasn’t this pitcher he is now as a prospect….he was more like the guy was saw last year and early this year. When Nova is sinking the ball and throwing strikes he’s really really good and his so so command doesn’t matter as much.

  3. DCYankee July 30th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    How about Joba for Lee?

  4. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Joba is worse than bad. He’s worse than Montero. Btw, Prufrock is Hispanic, it’s obvious. Hispanic sycophant

  5. exiledintampa July 30th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    AJ pitching against the Cards with the best record in baseball and first place on the line. Who’d a thunk it? McClutchen with an all world double play.

  6. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Nova always has had the stuff, and always was a warrior who keeps working to get it right, and he also has had bouts of good command. So, he is always going to be my choice over a guy with less pure upside.

  7. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    He has 30 at bats versus left handed pitching this year.
    Is hitting .167 with a OBP of .265

    I’ll take the half season of pitching.

    ====================

    Jesus Montero ???

  8. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Lets just say if Nova could have thrown 95 mph sinkers as a prospect then it’d been different…..

  9. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Short Answer: No!

  10. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Scott Merkin ?@scottmerkin 6m
    Yankees have renewed interest in Rios. But a move to Yankees would need Rios to waive no trade

    how many outfielders do we need?

  11. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    I’m not entirely sure you could pay another team to haul Joba away at this point much less get an impact player for him……

  12. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Repost

    So ManningRules,

    Are you saying that Jesus Montero is a bust at 23? That he won’t hit in the majors? That he doesn’t have unreal raw hitting ability?

    Is that your view?

    Because I am very clear on mine: Montero has tremendous bat speed (watching Myers turn on pitches live on Sunday made me realize all over again that we traded that kind of live power bat away), and a swing path that ultimately will bring him the kind of success he had in the minors and as a Yankee. That’s my prognostication.

    Am I right about yours? He’s a bust for evermore?

  13. RMS July 30th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    In the SI article, Arod says he wants to be a role model for his 2 girls. I guess he wants them to follow his examples, cheat and lie. What an idiot. Hope he never puts on a Yankee uniform again.

  14. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    The thing about Montero is he’s not an awful catcher. There have been guys just as bad who have played their entire careers behind the plate. The problem was he played under managers who were former catchers who were known more for defense than their offense. And he had a decent hitting season last year. This year he started off slow and then was platooned with a guy who’s career BA was .207, who was later released, Kelly Shoppach. Then suffered a knee injury.

  15. MG July 30th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    I think the Yankees would be making a big mistake by moving Nova after the way he has pitched his last 4-5 games.

    Pitching development is mostly non-linear, very few guys blossom like Matt Harvey.

    Nova seems to have figured it out at just the right time for both him and the Yankees, what would be the point in trading him for Cliff Lee now-3 years ago it made sense, now it doesn’t, IMO.

  16. MG July 30th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    I’m not entirely sure you could pay another team to haul Joba away at this point much less get an impact player for him……
    —————-
    maybe the Yankees could ship him to Miami in exchange for Hal buying 5,000 season tickets, it might double their attendance…

  17. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Scott Merkin ?@scottmerkin 4m

    Yankees have renewed interest in Rios. But a move to Yankees would need Rios to waive no trade
    ___

    UHHHHHHH WHY!?!

    We have like 10 outfielders.
    We NEED 3b and 1b.
    We DONT need OF help.
    Gardner, Soriano, Wells, Ichiro, Granderson (even nunez and nix can play of in a bind). Mesa, Neal, etc in the minors.

    I swear sometimes i lose confidence in the future of our team when i hear stuff like this.

  18. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    No, JAP.

    I’m not saying that at all – my only point is that he isn’t hitting yet, and thus far, the hype hasn’t lived up.
    In no way can I predict what’s going to happen to anyone.

    Mick – I’m not sure why you would say that. I have a pretty even-keeled record on here. I’m not trolling anything. I’m sorry you don’t agree with my posts – by all means, feel free to scroll over them.

  19. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Actually Nova started throwing the sinker in 2008 and he was hitting 95, as he did in 2010. In AAA in 2010, his GB % was at 51.9%, and at a nasty 65% I believe in 2009 when he was in Trenton. So, he had that potential; he just needed to have better command of his pitches.

  20. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Blake I see again we are on the same page.
    NO MORE OUTFIELDERS!!!!!!!

  21. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Does Jeter have the option next year or is it a team one? And isn’t it $9million if it’s picked up?

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    You seriously wouldn’t make that deal for Giancarlo?
    ///

    For Giancarlo, I would make the deal, but I’m not including Gary Sanchez and Ramirez/DePaula.

    The original discussion was for Lee, and I said I would not trade Nova even-up for Lee, and I would not.

    For Giancarlo, yes I would trade Nova.

    I wouldn’t trade him, however, for Chase Headley. Your turn around and trade Lee “for a bat” left a bit of suspense.

  23. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Joba isn’t as bad as it seems. It’s just that Claiborne and Kelley are better.

    I think Joba, above anyone, will bite us in the tail. Someone will figure him out mechanically.

  24. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    I would trade Nova but it would have to be in a deal for a under 30 and controlled hitter that’s good for me to at this point……I hate to even have an opinion on Nova anymore because he’s fooled me so many times and there have been so many incarnations of him that I don’t even know which one is real anymore.

    If he stays this current model…..throwing 95 mph sinkers then he’s great…..the problem is that he’s lost that sinker before and then he’s terrible for long periods of time until he finds it again. …..so I just don’t know…..I don’t trust that what we’ve seen the last few starts is real enough to hold on to him at any price……but I believe it enough that I’d need a lot back to trade him.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    No, JAP.

    I’m not saying that at all – my only point is that he isn’t hitting yet, and thus far, the hype hasn’t lived up.
    In no way can I predict what’s going to happen to anyone.
    ///

    That’s cool. I just like to get a sense of which way the wind blows for people. You’re new here, so I don’t really have a feel for what you think. You talk baseball, so that’s fine with me :)

  26. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    “I wouldn’t trade him, however, for Chase Headley. Your turn around and trade Lee “for a bat” left a bit of suspense.”

    I was joking but I would trade Nova for Lee and then trade him for a good bat or two if I could…..that’s a blanket statement more or less and I couldn’t even tell you if I’d do it or not until I saw who the bats were…….

  27. DCYankee July 30th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    What about Montero and his connection to Biogeonsis? Does that have anything to do with his offensive impact? Maybe he isn’t the pure hitter everybody thought he was because of the assistance he received from various “doctors”.

  28. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West July 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    If the Yanks are showing interest in Rios, does this mean they might have something lined up for a granderson trade?

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    I did like Noesi better as a prospect……but Nova wasn’t this pitcher he is now as a prospect….he was more like the guy was saw last year and early this year. When Nova is sinking the ball and throwing strikes he’s really really good and his so so command doesn’t matter as much.
    ///

    My problem always with Noesi was although he threw strikes, they were often not quality strikes and he could get teed off of frequently.

    Nova is now sinking the ball and getting whiffs – that to me is the ideal RH starter for the Yankees, one reason why I did not want to cave on Betances, who pitches down in the zone and above the letters with his fastball and has crazy offspeed offerings.

    Both guys get groundballs and Ks, Betances is basically un-hittable.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    I was joking but I would trade Nova for Lee and then trade him for a good bat or two if I could…..that’s a blanket statement more or less and I couldn’t even tell you if I’d do it or not until I saw who the bats were…….
    ///

    I hear ya. For me, Giancarlo would be an exception. I have always loved Nova’s raw ability and prized him at a high worth.

  31. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    id, it is Jeter’s option.

  32. chicken little July 30th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    trading joba only makes sense if you get something legitimate for him. trading him just to trade him is silly. let him go this offseason. right now what reliever are the yankees calling up that is better than joba? if the plan is to make the postseason, i don’t see giving a try to montgomery, etc …

  33. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West says:
    July 30, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    If the Yanks are showing interest in Rios, does this mean they might have something lined up for a granderson trade?

    Maybe they are just collectin expensive outfielders ?

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    If he stays this current model…..throwing 95 mph sinkers then he’s great…..the problem is that he’s lost that sinker before and then he’s terrible for long periods of time until he finds it again. …..so I just don’t know…..I don’t trust that what we’ve seen the last few starts is real enough to hold on to him at any price……but I believe it enough that I’d need a lot back to trade him.
    ///

    Who knows if that forearm injury he had two years ago affected how he threw the ball. He may have just become besotted with Ks and with his spike in velocity and abandoned sinking the ball. All I know is, the guy is throwing 96 and down in the zone right now and his curveball was nuts last outing. Ya always had that feeling with Nova that he could turn into a monster. Maybe this is it.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    I forgot that, in addition to the forearm thing, he had that hamstring business. Maybe he’s finally healthy.

  36. bruceb July 30th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    I heard on the radio a little while ago that Rios was going to the Pirates?

  37. tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 4:33

    Mick – I’m not sure why you would say that. I have a pretty even-keeled record on here. I’m not trolling anything. I’m sorry you don’t agree with my posts – by all means, feel free to scroll over them.

    *******************
    Manning,

    I think mick said you’re feeding the trolls, not that you are the one doing the trolling.

  38. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Pitching development definitely is non-linear, that is why when people get upset over young pitchers uneven starts in a sss I don’t really see the point. And did Nova lose the sinker once he started using his slider more? Now he is throwing the curveball much more and only using the slider occasionally. Any relationship between a better sinking sinker and his backing off on using the slider so much?

    If you have watched Montero through the years, you’d realize that he doesn’t need Biogenesis to hit the ball far.

  39. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    “All I know is, the guy is throwing 96 and down in the zone right now and his curveball was nuts last outing”

    Yea I mean his first start back I was like…..where has this dude been and what did he do with Ivan Nova…..the difference was that pronounced

  40. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    ah.
    misunderstood.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    chicken little July 30th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    trading joba only makes sense if you get something legitimate for him. trading him just to trade him is silly. let him go this offseason. right now what reliever are the yankees calling up that is better than joba? if the plan is to make the postseason, i don’t see giving a try to montgomery, etc …
    ///

    I agree with this. Trading Chamberlain to appease the “out of my sight!” emotionalism isn’t really a smart move.

    Montgomery isn’t going to shut people down like Betances can. They made such a big deal about getting their value out of Betances in his final year; if they don’t bring him up when he’s toying with hitters and not BB’ing the park, then what have they gained by putting a potential frontline starter into the bullpen?

    It seems to me, if Joba goes, Betances gets the call. Unless they trade Betances, which would be better for him, of course, since anyone trading him will have a future-oriented ambition for him as a starter.

  42. CompassRosy July 30th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    “The thing about Montero is he’s not an awful catcher….”

    =========================

    I was rooting for Montero to develop as a catcher but, I have to admit that once Zunino came up . . . the contrast in ability was stark. The fact that they signed Quintero to back up Blanco once Zunino went on the DL seems to speak volumes to their overall lack of depth at catcher as well as their level of confidence (or lack thereof) for Montero as an option (maybe the Bio Genesis stuff was a factor as well).

  43. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Royals on H. Kendrick’s no-trade list. Kendrick can block trades to 12 teams this season, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts. #Angels.

    I would like Howie Kendrick

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    *trading for him

  45. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    “All I know is, the guy is throwing 96 and down in the zone right now and his curveball was nuts last outing”

    Yea I mean his first start back I was like…..where has this dude been and what did he do with Ivan Nova…..the difference was that pronounced

    ==============================

    Maybe he listened to someone at Scranton ???

  46. Pat M. July 30th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    SJ excited of course but has to be nervous tonight as nephew Tony Sanchez will be the starting catcher tonight in Pittsburgh for Game 2 of today’s Doubleheader….. Pruff, I have great respect for you and your baseball insights, however I do think you are a tad blinded when it comes to Montero. I mean Wil Meyers is going to be a top 10 Big League baseball player in a few years if not sooner. Hey. I’ve been blinded by Young Master Hughes ever since he was 14, so I understand

  47. bruceb July 30th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Question is whether Nova can add some consistency to his game or whether he’s going to turn into another Phil Hughes? His stuff seems to be more dominant than Hughes’, but he has to do it for more than three or four starts.

  48. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
    id, it is Jeter’s option.
    ———

    So then it’s 8 or 9 million if he takes it. Because someone said earlier $17 million. If Jeter declines the option would the Yankees give him that much when they’re trying to go under 189?

  49. Pat M. July 30th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    blake….Get Howie and move Cano to 3rd ????

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Yea I mean his first start back I was like…..where has this dude been and what did he do with Ivan Nova…..the difference was that pronounced
    ///

    I guess we chalk it up to the slow road of development…. All I know is, the minute one of these kids falter, everyone wants to ship them out… Yanks’ bugaboo.

  51. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Pat M. says:
    July 30, 2013 at 4:55 pm
    blake….Get Howie and move Cano to 3rd ????

    I wouldn’t move Cano ever….Id see if Howie can play there

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Hit and Run for Warning Track:

    “It seems a curious stance from a man who turned a blind eye as two obvious PED users, Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, rescued his strike-damaged game with a phony home run chase in 1998.”

    Warning, Warning (Will Smith!) – I promised Wave I wouldn’t say anything more on this but you continue to refuse to see what’s going on. Don’t be blinded to hard-core reality. Step up and absorb this. It will help you. This is bare bones, but you’ll see how it fits together.

    There is nothing curious about what is going on here and there is nothing curious about Selig’s stance. I invite you to connect the dots:

    . BALCO took center stage in the early 2000s

    . Canseco writes Juiced

    . Congress gets involved and “invites” Selig and Fehr to testify

    . Selig and Fehr say they will report back to Congress with some kind of policy but miss deadline

    . Selig presents 2005 MLB policy and declares it the end of steroids in baeball; Congress less than impressed and threatens to come up with stronger policy

    . Game of Shadows is published

    . Congress questions effectivenessy of MLB’s drug policy, so Selig appoints Mitchell to “investigate”.

    . Mitchell Report published and Bud and Fehr again testfy

    . Congress pushes for re-opening of labor agreement to make drug policy even stronger

    . Fehr pushes back and says it won’t be reopened until 2011, when it’s due for renegotiation

    . Bud promises Congress that all PED issues in baseball will be investigated .

    So ya see, MLB still owns its antitrust exemption and Bud (reluctantly ?) plays the good boy to make sure they keep it.

  53. Chip July 30th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    He’s an out of shape, inconsistent, middle reliever in his walk year coming off of two significant injuries – no, you can’t get (or expect) anything significant for Joba Chamberlain. The league is full of guys who throw hard.

  54. blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    I guess we chalk it up to the slow road of development…. All I know is, the minute one of these kids falter, everyone wants to ship them out… Yanks’ bugaboo.”

    Somebody had to talk to him and say listen man you have to sink the ball again ….Id like to know

  55. Chip July 30th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Pat M. July 30th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    blake….Get Howie and move Cano to 3rd ????
    ———————

    Works for me.

  56. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Joba for Harvey

  57. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Nova for Miguel Cabrera

  58. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    You couldn’t get a bodies issue of espn the mag. featuring Matt Harvey’s butt for Joba

  59. Wave Your Hat July 30th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    trisha-

    If people continue to talk ARod I’d feel bad if you felt you couldn’t because of a commitment you made to me. So don’t let me hold you back, although some moderation is always appreciated!

  60. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Let’s trade the whole Yankee roster for the Dodgers including managers.

  61. TrueYankee July 30th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    I can see Yankees acquiring Rios than platooning Wells/Overbay at 1st base.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    PatM, We simply disagree, and my blind spot was nearly unilaterally shared. I didn’t pick a longshot prospect out of the weeds and invent his hit tool or thump – those tools are there. You saw what he did in 2011. He’s had a rough road, but I don’t know how anyone can think the kid is through at 23.

    We’ll just agree to disagree on this, I guess. He’s gonna rise from the “ashes” and make Brian Cashman a very sorry man.

  63. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    I wouldn’t be shocked if Selig went into the Biogenesis clinic and purchased the drugs and signed Alex’s name

  64. mnmboys July 30th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    I heard a comment that Jeter has a $3 million buyout for next year. Yanks can buy him out and resign him for $5MM-$6MM to save money against the $189MM. He still gets his $8-9MM just would count less against the 189

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Let’s trade the whole Yankee roster for the Dodgers including managers.
    ///

    Sure, deal, if we can keep Cano/Jeter/Kuroda/Nova/Mo. Since I’m getting Kershaw, I’ll let C go.

  66. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    If the Yanks sign Rios, does this mean the Yanks are trading Gardner for a Pitcher or 3B? Perhaps include Joba, Hughes & Gardner plus a couple of miLB & get a real corner INF bat. Just a thought.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    I guess we chalk it up to the slow road of development…. All I know is, the minute one of these kids falter, everyone wants to ship them out… Yanks’ bugaboo.”

    Somebody had to talk to him and say listen man you have to sink the ball again ….Id like to know
    ///

    Well, quite a few of us here said he had to go back to sinking the ball, so I guess to someone like Patterson or Aldred, it may have been obvious as well. Maybe he was convinced when throwing 96 and 97 wasn’t keeping him from giving up scorching line drives all over the park?

  68. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    JAP, noting your prolific posting this day just wondering what FCS stands for?

    You do remember it don’t you, particularly after scolding me for a reference I made?

  69. Tidrow July 30th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Joba has talent. I’m not buying that there isn’t a market for him. A few weeks back people were throwing Nova away and look how he’s turned it around. All he needs is to stay healthy and get steady use as a starter or reliever and you’ll see his talent come out.

  70. yankee21 July 30th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    The point in moving Joba is Betances is a more cost controlled, and most likely a more effective option. So moving Joba isn’t about what you get back externally but what you can bring up internally. Even with this said, I still think he can bring back something useful in a trade. Joba is not some washed up reliever with no upside.

    Howie Kendrik; IMHO has one of the best RH swings in the game. He is a line drive machine. I would be surprised if LAA moved him, as I consider him part of the solution for the Angels not somebody to ship out. However, instantly Cashman would grow on me if he found a way to land him!

  71. Giuseppe Franco July 30th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Perhaps someone needs to intervene and stop this front office from making more stupid acquisitions.

  72. Tidrow July 30th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Where would Kendrik play? 1st base?

  73. yankee21 July 30th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Tidrow; With Kendrik I’d play him at 1B against LHP, occasionally to give rest to Cano at 2B, and occasional DH. I find a way to get him in 5 games a week. Most importantly I have a guy who is leverage in 2014 as a suitable successor if Cano demands a moon deal to stay a Yankee.

    It really is all a pipe dream though, I’d put the Yankees chance of wanting/landing him at less than 2%.

  74. astrocityfan July 30th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Kendrick could play third right?

    Jon Heyman tweeted that Callaspo of the angels may be available. Any interest?

  75. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Wave, the only reason I did that “brief synopsis” :) is because people still don’t seem to understand – or don’t want to understand ? – that Bud is doing what he’s doing under duress and of necessity. They cannot eradicate the history behind all of this and pretend it just doesn’t exist! Bud’s doing what Bud has been told to do. Period. What he didn’t do back in 1998 has absolutely no relevance. He didn’t choose this path – Congress chose it for him. So it’s both juvenile and inane to dig one’s heels in and defend Arod’s wrong doing because you don’t like what Bud did in the past.

    Seriously.

    And if the game is being cleaned up in the process, it’s a step in the right direction, even if a small one.

    :)

    No more of my opinions on what should happen to Arod, or talk of the like, until news breaks.

    Promise.

  76. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Tidrow says:
    July 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm
    Where would Kendrik play? 1st base?

    He could sure ….Id try him at 3rd though

  77. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    @FakePeteGammons: Xander Bogaerts is not being traded, period. He’s locked in my root cellar until the trade deadline passes. This is Peter Gammons #RedSox

  78. Tidrow July 30th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Imagine ARod beats this thing and gets away scott free. How would that make Braun feel? Like those Miami Heat fans who left the arena towards end of gm 6 who tried to get back in when Miami tied it late only to be locked out….lol

  79. MG July 30th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
    Pat M. says:
    July 30, 2013 at 4:55 pm
    blake….Get Howie and move Cano to 3rd ????

    I wouldn’t move Cano ever….Id see if Howie can play there
    —————
    I said yesterday I would take Kendrick in a heartbeat.

    He’s played some 1B in his career so could fill in there against LHP.

    He’s only played part of one game at 3B but what would be the problem with him being out there for 6-7 innings and then sitting down for defense (either Lillibridge or Nix) if you have the lead.

    He’s also played some outfield, the Yankees would be getting an established right hand bat who hits for average and a little pop, a perfect guy to be hitting down in the order.

    If the Yankees can’t make a deal for a right handed first baseman then Wells is probably a reasonable choice to fill in there with Granderson coming back as well-he’s certainly athletic enough to handle it.

  80. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: #Angels’ preference is to use Kendrick to get starting pitcher. Aybar also in play, but easier to replace a second baseman than a shortstop.

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Also on #Angels: Source says team “hopeful” of landing #DBacks’ Kennedy. Interest first reported by @JonHeymanCBS.

    Hughes is still better than Kennedy

  81. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Kendrick also gives you insurance in case Cano leaves

  82. MG July 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
    @Ken_Rosenthal: #Angels’ preference is to use Kendrick to get starting pitcher. Aybar also in play, but easier to replace a second baseman than a shortstop.
    —————-
    the Yankees have excess starting pitching, give the Angels Hughes and Warren or Phelps or Chamberlain or Minor League Prospect not named Ramirez for Kendrick and a prospect.

    And promise to pay Chamberlain’s pre and post game meal bills for a whole season as a kicker…

  83. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    If the Angels want a pitcher then the yanks should be all over Howie Kendrick…..

  84. MG July 30th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
    If the Angels want a pitcher then the yanks should be all over Howie Kendrick…..
    —————–
    I really like Kendrick, maybe it’s the thought of all those line drives he’s hit against the Yankees over the years.

    He reminds me of Willie Randolph in many ways…

  85. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Thuuuu pitch……and there is goes ….Howie hits a Howitzer!

  86. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    He can hit ….. High average guy and he’s controlled I think 2 more years

  87. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Mike Morse very available. #Yankees liked in offseason when #Nationals were moving him, but told no serious talks with #Mariners at present

    Woukd bd big upgrade at 1 b

  88. austinmac July 30th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    I suspect the Rios talk is simply trying to get the Pirates to pay more money.

    I would love Kendrick. He can hit– a high contact guy with reasonable pop. Can I buy Phil and Joba a plane ticket?

  89. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    @jnorris427: @Joelsherman1 Price was Ramon Flores and Jose Ramirez in the offseason, I was told.

    For morse

  90. tomingeorgia July 30th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Ferchrisakes, Bud, drop the shoe! Let’s get on on with this.

  91. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    If the Angels want a pitcher then the yanks should be all over Howie Kendrick…..
    ____

    Blake once again im right there with you.

    Also would be interested in Mike Morse if Seattle is moving him (wont give up a lot though), but we need that RH bat at 1B.

  92. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Morse would crush at the stadium

  93. Patrick July 30th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    @jnorris427: @Joelsherman1 Price was Ramon Flores and Jose Ramirez in the offseason, I was told.

    For morse

    Screw that

  94. MG July 30th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
    @Joelsherman1: Mike Morse very available. #Yankees liked in offseason when #Nationals were moving him, but told no serious talks with #Mariners at present

    Woukd bd big upgrade at 1 b
    —————–
    that seems like a really good fit for them as well.

    That would be a pretty good haul at the deadline-Morse and Kendrick, if you need to give up some prospects it makes them much better for sure.

  95. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Get Kendrick and Morse and game on…..that’s a real lineup then assuming Howie can man 3B

  96. MG July 30th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    How about Flores and another pitcher instead of Ramirez-he was in the lower minors at the time this was proposed, substitute someone else from Trenton or Tampa and maybe there is a deal to be made…

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    @jnorris427: @Joelsherman1 Price was Ramon Flores and Jose Ramirez in the offseason, I was told.

    For morse
    ///

    /wipesforehead

  98. MG July 30th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    they could have used Corey Black for a Morse trade, damn that front office!!!! :)

  99. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    If they could get Kendrick for Hughes or Phelps then Morse for like Flores or something then Id do it I guess if they are going for it

  100. igotid88 July 30th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Isn’t Morse injury prone?

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Sure, give them Zach Nuding ;)

  102. blake July 30th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    That was the price from the Nats for a full season…… Now it’s 3 months and the Mariners are dumber than the Nats

  103. Patrick July 30th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    If they could get Kendrick for Hughes or Phelps then Morse for like Flores or something then Id do it I guess if they are going for it

    I doubt they could get Kendrick for Hughes or Phelps though..

  104. austinmac July 30th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    With respect to AROD reaching a suspension agreement, it seems to me he would have to first reach an agreement with the Yankees about the rest of his money. If I was advising him, I would say he is at some risk the Yankees could use his admission to try to void the contract for fraud.

  105. Pat M. July 30th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Man AJ Burnett looks great nowadays. Angels are going to want Nova at least to begin talks for Howie Hendricks. Hughes will be an offseason move as a free agent. SF Giants like Hughes and the Zito contract will be no longer. You want real good blue chippers, go to the Pirates they’re loaded at every freekin level with talent.

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