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Pitching matchups in Los Angeles

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
LHP Andy Pettitte (7-8, 4.39)
vs.
RHP Zack Greinke (8-3, 3.49)
10:10 p.m. ET, YES Network and MLB Network

Wednesday
RHP Hiroki Kuroda (10-6, 2.51)
vs.
LHP Clayton Kershaw (10-6, 1.96)
10:10 p.m. ET, YES Network

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217 Responses to “Pitching matchups in Los Angeles”

  1. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Pitching match-up favor Dodgers by a lot. Will be difficult to earn
    a split in this series.
    DAMN!!!

  2. UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I hope Costas is doing the game tonight on MLB Network. That would be sweeeet.

  3. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 11:56 am
    I hope Costas is doing the game tonight on MLB Network. That would be sweeeet.
    ————————————————————————————————————

    That would be nice but he won’t be there.
    The game on MLB tonight is NOT a MLB Network Showcase game.

    Too bad!

  4. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    With Arod we needed to get down to 177 in order to hit 189.

    Add 25 M and the Yankees can go to 202:

    Brett Gardner-CF (4.5 M)
    Derek Jeter-SS (15.5 M)
    Robinson Cano-2B (25 M)
    Alfonso Soriano-DH (5 M)
    Mark Teixeira-1B (22.5 M)
    Ichiro Suzuki-RF (6.5 M)

    JR Murphy-C (.5)
    Vernon Wells-OF (0.00)
    Eduardo Nunez-SS (.5)

    CC Sabathia (23)
    Ivan Nova (.6)
    Michael Pineda (.5)
    David Phelps (.5)

    David Robertson (5 M)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Preston Claiborne (.5)
    Shawn Kelley (4 M)
    Vidal Nuno (.5)
    Adam Warren (.5)

    Total = ~116 M

    177 – 116 M = 61 M for:

    3B – Headley or Prado or Sandoval?
    C – McCann or Navarro?
    OF – Granderson or Choo or Ellsbury or Nelson Cruz or Pence?
    #2 Starter – Kuroda or Garza or Ervin Santana or Lincecum?
    bench player – Michael Young?
    late inning reliever – Madson or Marmol or O’Flaherty?

    Let’s just select the best player from each group and see if we stay under 61 M…

    Estimate

    Sandoval makes 6 M
    McCann estimate is 15 M
    Choo estimate is 15 M
    Kuroda estimate is 15 M
    Young estimate is 4.5 M
    O’Flaherty estimate is 5.5 M

    That’s 61 M

  5. Your Worst Nightmare July 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Mr. Com ……………. u the same guy who used to post at TDN NYY blog ?

  6. DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Measely 2 game series and the Yanks draw the Dodgers 2 Best SP’s. What new?

  7. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    “…Phillies lefty Cliff Lee is “eminently available.”

    Given that the 34-year-old has at least $70MM remaining on his contract through 2015, his availability has sparked a debate over his true trade value.

    The latest:

    The Red Sox are the biggest player in the Lee derby.

    If there are other teams heavily involved in talks for Lee, they are doing it in an extremely stealthy manner.”

    props to MLBTR & Jon Heyman

  8. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    2014 Yankees ~177 M

    Brett Gardner-CF (4.5 M)
    Derek Jeter-SS (15.5 M)
    Robinson Cano-2B (25 M)
    Shin Soo Choo-LF (15 M)
    Alfonso Soriano-DH (5 M)
    Mark Teixeira-1B (22.5 M)
    Pablo Sandoval-3B (6 M)
    Brian McCann-C (15 M)
    Ichiro Suzuki-RF (6.5 M)

    JR Murphy-C (.5)
    Vernon Wells-OF (0.00)
    Eduardo Nunez-SS (.5)
    Michael Young-INF (4.5 M)

    CC Sabathia (23 M)
    Hiroki Kuroda (15 M)
    Ivan Nova (.6)
    Michael Pineda (.5)
    David Phelps (.5)

    David Robertson (5 M)
    Eric O’Flaherty (5.5 M)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Preston Claiborne (.5)
    Shawn Kelley (4 M)
    Vidal Nuno (.5)
    Adam Warren (.5)

    __________

    I think we could rock next year.

  9. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Acquiring Sandoval would be a bad move by Cashman.
    There is so much risk associated with him because of his weight,
    lack of dedication & his career is at risk of being cut short due to his
    overweight status.
    Unless Pablo suddenly see’s the light or the bigger picture, there is no indication he
    will change his eating habits anytime soon.

    David Wells was overweight, but he was also a pitcher, with a rubber arm and was able to
    play at his weight.
    An everyday player probably won’t have the same success.

  10. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    UpState July 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    “…Phillies lefty Cliff Lee is “eminently available.”

    Given that the 34-year-old has at least $70MM remaining on his contract through 2015, his availability has sparked a debate over his true trade value.

    The latest:

    The Red Sox are the biggest player in the Lee derby.

    If there are other teams heavily involved in talks for Lee, they are doing it in an extremely stealthy manner.”

    props to MLBTR & Jon Heyman
    ——————————————————————–
    Not sure if someone can confirm this, but the Phills organization refuses to pay
    contracts for players who have been traded.
    Unlike the Cubs, who agreed to pay a large majority of Soriano’s contract in the trade recently, the Phillies are not about to do that.

  11. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    What? Sandoval is hitting .317 over his last 17 games and he’s a cheap short contract through 2014. Not risky at all.

  12. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Yourworstnightmare, I be he!

    Now tell me what name you posted under at the DNN blog, I’m a very nostalgic person and always enjoy reunions! ;)

  13. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    “…Not sure if someone can confirm this, but the Phills organization refuses to pay
    contracts for players who have been traded…”
    =================================================

    “He’s telling people it’ll take you three or four best prospects, plus you’d have to take all the money,” one competing executive said of Phillies GM Ruben Amaro. Another executive put it thusly, “You’d have to give up your first born, second and third born, too.”

    Amaro regarding Cliff Lee

    props to Bleacher Reports

  14. 4 NYY July 30th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Although I haven’t been posting much lately, I follow along here VERY often.

    Trish, Jesus Bustero, comnsnse, and a few others are right on the money about most everything being talked about ! IMO

    Keep up the good work people !

  15. Your Worst Nightmare July 30th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Very high risk, he is and has been on a ‘see food’ diet for years. Foot and ankle issues because of too much weight on a smaller frame

    Giants constantly riding him to lose weight and try and control it

    (I’m a Giants fan too)

  16. DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Sandoval is a folk hero in SF. He ain’t goin’ nowhere.

  17. DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Some of you guys just don’t know how to horse trade. When selling Anything, you can Always come down from your initial price. You can NOT go up.

  18. tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    2014 Yankees ~177 M

    Brett Gardner-CF (4.5 M)
    Derek Jeter-SS (15.5 M)
    Robinson Cano-2B (25 M)
    Shin Soo Choo-LF (15 M)
    Alfonso Soriano-DH (5 M)
    Mark Teixeira-1B (22.5 M)
    Pablo Sandoval-3B (6 M)
    Brian McCann-C (15 M)
    Ichiro Suzuki-RF (6.5 M)

    JR Murphy-C (.5)
    Vernon Wells-OF (0.00)
    Eduardo Nunez-SS (.5)
    Michael Young-INF (4.5 M)

    CC Sabathia (23 M)
    Hiroki Kuroda (15 M)
    Ivan Nova (.6)
    Michael Pineda (.5)
    David Phelps (.5)

    David Robertson (5 M)
    Eric O’Flaherty (5.5 M)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Preston Claiborne (.5)
    Shawn Kelley (4 M)
    Vidal Nuno (.5)
    Adam Warren (.5)

    __________

    I think we could rock next year.

    **********************************

    Jesus,

    You may have to re-do the math. I believe the LT is based on the 40 man roster, not the 25 man active roster.

  19. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Tbone,

    That’s why the total at the top is 177 and not 189.

  20. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    If the Yankees could add Pence and get Granderson back…and Jeter stays healthy …..then all the sudden you have something that resembles a real lineup.

    I don’t however know if the price will be worth it.

  21. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 10m
    Source: Phillies plan on calling up 3B Cody Asche. Points to Michael Young being traded today.

  22. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Blake,

    Pence + Granderson + Jeter + Soriano + Michael Young.

    That could be done.

  23. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    if the Giants called and wanted let’s say Tyler Austin for Pence would you do it? I could make a case for and against it…..

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    If the Yankees could obtain Sandoval without really hurting the farm system, they would be fools not to jump at that. We would learn to live with his weight problems.

    Can’t see why SF would deal him, however, and certainly not without getting a hurtful return.

  25. delvec19 July 30th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Rumors swirling that Red Sox are willing to give up the farm for Giancarlo Stanton.

  26. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    Yeah thanks for the offer. I’m probably going to take you up on that one day. That would be so awesome. I’ve never been to the new place. The old one was awesome though, I will never forget it. You two are great fans, hang in there YF and Pruf.
    __________________
    Unknown, thanks! Right back at you! And the old place was beyond compare! But the new one has very nice sight lines and do love going to games there, but it is a lot different, and a bit of a tourist trap. However, my brother is old enough to remember the frieze on the old old stadium. He doesn’t go to the new Stadium very much, and he isn’t overly emotional generally, but when he came with us to the last game, he said with a lump in his throat, “I am home.” So, there is that. The camaraderie though is another story. Although Jeet still has them eating out of his hand. The 3000th hit day the crowd was phenomenal. Sunday was great. Love to see you there at some point! I’d also love to see Andy have a good first inning tonight to get him off on the right (or should it be left?) foot.

  27. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Buster,

    it could……I don’t know at what cost…..but if they could add Young and Pence then suddenly you have a lineup you can do something with. I’d have to see what they’d be giving up though……

  28. tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Tbone,

    That’s why the total at the top is 177 and not 189.

    **************************
    You don’t account for the cost of benefits (from what I can see) which is approx 12-13 mil. I thought the difference between 177 and 189 was for the benefits.

  29. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    I really hope the Red Sox trade Boegarts for Lee.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    they should throw in Matt Barnes, too :mrgreen:

  31. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Tbone,

    If I remember correctly Jerkface said 177 is the real number because the other 12 M is for minor leaguers on the 40 and benefits.

  32. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Blake,

    So what do you do about Pence + Granderson + Gardner + Ichiro in the outfield? You’re stuck with 4 even if you DH Soriano and Wells.

    If you target Pence you’ve purchased a redundancy.

  33. Your Worst Nightmare July 30th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Mr. Com …………

    I knew it was you. Only one writing style like yours.

    I was ‘Cornball McFly’

  34. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    if the Giants called and wanted let’s say Tyler Austin for Pence would you do it? I could make a case for and against it…..

    ——————

    If they planned to extend/retain Pence then absolutely.

  35. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “So what do you do about Pence + Granderson + Gardner + Ichiro in the outfield? You’re stuck with 4 even if you DH Soriano and Wells.”

    grab some pine Ichi…..and happy trails Vern.

  36. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    “If they planned to extend/retain Pence then absolutely.”

    might depend on what happens with Arod and how much Pence wants…..Pence is a good but not great player……he’s also 30 so I wouldn’t push it with an extension.

  37. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    Jeff Passan ?@JeffPassan 10m
    Source: Phillies plan on calling up 3B Cody Asche. Points to Michael Young being traded today.

    ==========================================

    23YO Cody Asche looks lie something that we’d probably like to have as an option !

  38. DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Grandy may return this weekend in SD, and the Yanks will be flush with OF’ers. Pence just doesn’t fit the Yankee roster as currently constructed. Morneau would fit right in at 1B, along with the 86′ing of Hafner.

  39. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Pence has a 124 OPS + this year…..so playing in YS would help his numbers most likely…..he’s a gamer….plays hard…..I like him but they would have to be smart about price.

  40. G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Cliff Lee to Boston is a game changer folks. I wouldn’t be celebrating Boston ripping off a couple of titles in the next 4 years if they gave up young talent.

    And you know they won’t give up the guys being mentioned. They’ll give up the next level of guys if that deal goes down. It’ll be Ranaudo, Lavarnway and maybe Middlebrooks. Not Bogaerts.

    That said, a move like that could wake the Yankees front office up out of their paralyzed slumber.

    I actually think the Red Sox dismantling took the Yankees foot off the gas the past couple of seasons. Not having to keep up with the Joneses made them soft.

  41. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    I sit corrected. Thanks for the information Jerkface.

  42. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    if the Giants called and wanted let’s say Tyler Austin for Pence would you do it? I could make a case for and against it…..

    ——————-

    It depends on how they want to approach the off season… will they make a play for Choo instead?

  43. tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Tbone,

    If I remember correctly Jerkface said 177 is the real number because the other 12 M is for minor leaguers on the 40 and benefits.

    *******************************
    I see. 12 mil for 15 guys and benefits seem to be a little light to me. But hey, at least its not all about A-Rod!

    :)

  44. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    In the old days we’d be discussing how the Yanks could get Lee, Pence & Sandoval or (Cargo or Stanton) but now its how do we get M Young! Wierd!

  45. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Who are the omnipotent Red Sox getting today for nada?

  46. G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    RayVT,

    It’s this stupid 189 or bust mentality. We can’t even discuss players that have contracts past next year.

    I don’t understand the logic behind making your team intentionally weaker so you can make more money.

    That’s small market garbage. Not NY Yankees…at least not until now.

  47. DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Funny how you Cano huggers have already forgotten about re-signing him. You are salivating about Pence and forgetting about your “precious” Cano and the $189 Mill. Fickle you are.

  48. Captain Clutch July 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    I am sure that the Sox and Phillies are discussing Lee but the likely move is them getting Young. The Yanks can definitely use him but I can’t see Cashman giving up what it will take for a rental. Unless they signed him for next year also.

  49. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    Cliff Lee to Boston is a game changer folks. I wouldn’t be celebrating Boston ripping off a couple of titles in the next 4 years if they gave up young talent.

    And you know they won’t give up the guys being mentioned. They’ll give up the next level of guys if that deal goes down. It’ll be Ranaudo, Lavarnway and maybe Middlebrooks. Not Bogaerts.

    That said, a move like that could wake the Yankees front office up out of their paralyzed slumber.

    I actually think the Red Sox dismantling took the Yankees foot off the gas the past couple of seasons. Not having to keep up with the Joneses made them soft.
    ======================================================

    Given that these ‘might’ be Boston’s cost…

    What would be a ‘similar’ Yankee package have to be ???

  50. G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    I would do Tyler Austin for Pence, but I doubt SF would since Austin has a bum wrist, I think.

    You can’t keep all the OF’ers.

    And Bret – your hatred of Brett Gardner is bordering on silly. He’s a 2+ win player or more right now and we have him next season and you want to trade him for a rental bat?

    C’mon. You’re better than that.

  51. DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Watched the R\Sox roll over for Tampa last night. Compared to the Yankees constantly coming back Sunday, (and winning), vs the same team. You got a different Yankee team going forward.

  52. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    G Love, it’s a couple of idiot sons that wouldnt know their asses from a hole in the wall. It’s the sons of these prominent owners that ruin teams. Jim Buss of the Lakers, Jim Dolan of the Knicks/Rangers, Steinbrothers. They take everything their fathers created and destroy it.

  53. G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Upstate,

    I think a similar package for Lee from the Yankees would be Slade or Mason Williams, plus Jose Ramirez, Murphy or Romine and another highly projected pitcher or someone like Warren who is major league ready.

    I don’t think the Phillies are going to get 2 of the 5 top prospects in someone’s system for a 34 year old with that contract on top of it.

    They’ll get 4 of the top 15 prospects though.

  54. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Very true!

  55. bruceb July 30th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Watched the R\Sox roll over for Tampa last night.

    Including the awful call at the plate by Jerry Meals that would have tied the game at 2-2 and given the Sox the chance to go ahead in the 8th? Hardly call that rolling over. They were actually robbed.

  56. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “So what do you do about Pence + Granderson + Gardner + Ichiro in the outfield? You’re stuck with 4 even if you DH Soriano and Wells.”

    grab some pine Ichi…..and happy trails Vern.

    _____________

    I don’t see that.

  57. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Tbone,

    If I remember correctly Jerkface said 177 is the real number because the other 12 M is for minor leaguers on the 40 and benefits.

    *******************************
    I see. 12 mil for 15 guys and benefits seem to be a little light to me. But hey, at least its not all about A-Rod!

    __________

    Yeah that was kinda my point with that exercise. We can field a really strong team without Arod using the 25 M. We have far more play money than fans realize, or we will…

  58. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    Upstate,

    I think a similar package for Lee from the Yankees would be Slade or Mason Williams, plus Jose Ramirez, Murphy or Romine and another highly projected pitcher or someone like Warren who is major league ready.

    I don’t think the Phillies are going to get 2 of the 5 top prospects in someone’s system for a 34 year old with that contract on top of it.

    They’ll get 4 of the top 15 prospects though.
    ==========================================

    Boston Update.

    Though the Phillies want Bogaerts as the centerpiece of a Lee deal, the Red Sox “view his inclusion as a non-starter and will not consider proposals that involve him.,”
    The Red Sox are willing to deal multiple top ten prospects though.

  59. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    G. Love,

    Pence is a better ballplayer and a better fit for this team. Get real.

  60. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    I want no part of Lee going to Boston. You trade prospects for proven aces that are under control all day long. Not sure who the heck here wants to see that.

  61. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Hate to say it, but:

    Cliff Lee is very likely to be the ‘game-changer’ that Boston needs.

  62. Hankflorida July 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Comnsnse, our discussion of gambling versus steroids takes on the Jean Valjean analogy of should the penalty fit crime, and the “Eight Men Out” lifetime ban was for alleged gambling which as you pointed out, impacted the game’s integrity with much more severity then steroid use. My contention was that Judge Landis used the term tainted the clean image of baseball even after Shoeless Joe and the other players were found innocent in the eyes of the law, and If A-Rod refuses to bargain, I feel that there is a precedent for using this clean image clause for a lifetime ban against him especially if it is accompanied by lying. I brought up Woody Allen’s movie, “Crimes and Misdemeanors,” and the discussion of what is ethical and moral in our society, and in that thin line between them, there may the same punishment for both gambling and steroids.

  63. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    That call at home plate is being talked about everywhere, shown on the front page of every sports website, even yahoo.

    Does anyone remember Mark Teixeira last year beating out a play at 1st base clearly to tie the game, instead the umpire called him out to end the game???

    Do you guys know how long and widespread that was talked about?? Not at all.

    And that call was more egregious than last night’s call. Very difficult for a HP umpire to see that.

  64. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    If the Red Sox acquire Lee could they turn around and flip Lester for a bat like Pence?

    Easily.

  65. G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    k lynn (are you a new poster?),

    I agree with you that these sons who inherit these teams sometimes seem to have a death wish for them. It’d be really interesting if someone did a psych profile on them and you learned they subconsciously resented their Dad’s and that manifested in their team destroying behaviors. Perhaps they’re all just trying to show they can do it better/different than their Fathers to prove something?

    It’s just odd because in ’09 they made deals like George did and after that season they turned into a different organization.

    I do think that they’ll snap out of this. But I think Cashman has to go and someone with a great baseball development record needs to come in who can develop the prospects while also striking out for the big talents when they hit the market.

    I wish we kept Kevin Towers in the organization. Hearing he’s ready to cut bait on Ian Kennedy or perhaps planted that story to inspire him to pitch better shows he’s about winning. I could see Kennedy getting comfy in AZ and slacking and needing a kick in the pants.

    Towers should be our next GM if we can’t get Friedman free from the Rays.

  66. tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 12:53

    Yeah that was kinda my point with that exercise. We can field a really strong team without Arod using the 25 M. We have far more play money than fans realize, or we will…

    *******************

    OK, I get your point. FYI, I found an article that states that the per team LT was $10.8 mil in 2012.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....id=8748330

  67. G. Love July 30th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Bret,

    You’re blind! Subtracting Gardner to add Pence makes us a worse team. I know you hate Gardy, but he’s a very good OF’er and needs to be here unless we’re talking about trading him in a package for Stanton/CarGo types etc.

  68. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    YWN,AKA Cornball, may I address you by the acronym YWN in the future?

    Were you on both the Feinsand and Dellapina blogs? The Feinsand blog was populated with a less serious crowd, do you remember Redfish?

    Actually the hockey blog was even more fun with a bunch of true hockey fans with a definite sense of humor when Dellapina was the writer.

    Unfortunately he left for a job with the NHL office and what followed was two disastrous writers necessitating a mild verbal thrashing on my part for their less than brilliant blogs.

    Resulting in my banishment by a wet behind the ears recent college grad who should have been making coffee runs with Cashman!

    Even Feinsand refused to intervene the wuss…………….and just because I commented on his girth a few times! ;)

    PS, the hockey blog is in the dumper and Feinsand misses me!

    Be well and post more often.

  69. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    “Pence is a better ballplayer and a better fit for this team. Get real.”

    I think at most they are equal values and Gardner has an additional year of team control…..again you don’t get better by swapping one for the other…..you get better by having both of them.

  70. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    If the Red Sox acquire Lee could they turn around and flip Lester for a bat like Pence?

    Easily.

    Exactly. They have the pieces to do whatever they want. Period.

    On every level, if a team needs an ace, and one is available, you trade away 20 year old prospects to get it done. A true ace, and that’s not even in question.
    Then they flip Lester, on a high now, or other pieces for the bat they need.
    It’s not a good scenario either way. I actually hope they stay pat and keep their prospects.

  71. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    What?

    Pence has a 117 OPS+ for his career.

    Gardner is 97.

    It’s not close.

    Plus Pence is a righty.

    Gardner’s fans really inflate the value of defense as well. It’s a huge stretch to say the difference in their defense is enough to cover 20 points on OPS+

  72. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Agreed on all fronts G Love.

    Not a new poster, this is probably my 1000th name, having the previous 999 banned.

    Im a big fan of your Twitter. Very funny, without crossing lines (as I no doubt would if I ran that twitter).

  73. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    ManningRules says:
    July 30, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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    Lee is 35 and makes apt of money….if Boston wants to trade Boegarts + for him then please do…..it’ll given them a better chance this year yes….but might hurt them long term…..given that the yanks aren’t really good enough to beat them now anyways…..

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  75. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

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  76. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

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  77. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I already said Gardner’s fans overrate defense and what do you do? You use WAR.

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  79. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    ee is 35 and makes apt of money….if Boston wants to trade Boegarts + for him then please do…..it’ll given them a better chance this year yes….but might hurt them long term…..given that the yanks aren’t really good enough to beat them now anyways…..

    I disagree, Blake. It’s not like Lee, even if he regresses, doesn’t help them. He makes what CC makes, and nobody in that rotation makes any money. They’re gonna let Ellsbury walk, so I’m sure Lester, who is cheap, would be who they flipped for the bat. If not, then Boston still has a deep system. I think them getting them helps them both this year, and moreso next year. He is a legit ace, and still throwing like one. I don’t really care what they’re 20 year old prospect turns into, he’s not going to help them this year, and probably not next either.
    I’d just rather they not get Lee. Call me crazy.

  80. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    @pgammo: Xander Bogaerts is not being traded, period

    I’ll need fake Pete to confirm this

  81. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    They have the pieces to do what they want because Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, Keith Law, among many others have touted every one of their pieces.

  82. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Jesus Bustero says:
    July 30, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    I already said Gardner’s fans overrate defense and what do you do? You use WAR.

    Even if you think Pence is better than Gardner…..Garner is still good and trading him for Pence doesn’t make you any better

  83. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    They have the pieces to do what they want because Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, Keith Law, among many others have touted every one of their pieces.

    I agree this happens, but the numbers on them don’t lie. Admittedly, I don’t have a lot of knowledge of their system, but scanning the numbers isn’t hard.

  84. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    If the Phils are opposed to paying Lee’s salary, there’s a real good chance he wouldn’t take Bogaerts to get anyway.

  85. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    “I disagree, Blake. It’s not like Lee, even if he regresses, doesn’t help them. He makes what CC makes, and nobody in that rotation makes any money.”

    That’s fine …..but what if he starts pitching like CC had this year? That woukd hurt them a lot given what he makes….especially if they had to trade a lot to get him

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  87. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    The Sox traded Fossum and Lyon for Curt Schilling when AZ demanded Soriano and Nick Johnson.

    The Sox acquired Adrian Gonzalez for Casey Kelly and Anthony Rizzo.

    The Sox will probably acquire Cliff Lee for a Middlebrooks package.

  88. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    All that being said, I don’t think they’ll trade Boegarts. I think it’ll be:

    Jackie Bradley
    Barnes (the kid from UCONN)
    and Middlebrooks.

    Then they’ll flip Lester + for a outfield bat and try to sign Ellsbury this winter.

  89. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Have been told #Redsox definitely have enough hi-end prospects to do Lee without Bogaerts #Phillies

  90. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    All that being said, I don’t think they’ll trade Boegarts. I think it’ll be:

    Jackie Bradley
    Barnes (the kid from UCONN)
    and Middlebrooks.

    Then they’ll flip Lester + for a outfield bat and try to sign Ellsbury this winter.

    ____________

    Yup.

  91. Tackelberry July 30th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    If I’m the PHillies, I insist on Bogaerts in the deal. Don’t let them off easy Phils!!!!

  92. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    The Sox will probably acquire Cliff Lee for a Middlebrooks package.

    Why not. It’s not like Middlebrooks ins’t a talented infielder. We all saw him rake last year. I don’t think he’s a superstar, but a package surrounding a young infielder with extra power from the right hand side in Philly is pretty enticing to a team without one.
    Toss in Jackie Bradley ( I know, he sucks, I’ve heard) and Barnes and that’s a great deal if Philly is losing all the money on Boston’s side.

    Again, I’d rather they keep their kids. Every single one of those pieces are disposable to them.

  93. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Of course they do… then in another year and a half they get some other suckers to take Lee’s contract off their hands.

  94. Against All Odds July 30th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    @Joelsherman1: Have been told #Redsox definitely have enough hi-end prospects to do Lee without Bogaerts #Phillies

    ————-

    What else is new

  95. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Blake, commendable posts, we do not need a “Pencepost”!

    We need younger players our own and other teams prospects.

    And as long as Cashman is being combative and seemingly thinking about the future, he should “suggest” that Yankee fans will not bail with one or two off years!

    Cashman, redemption is but a phone call away!

  96. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    I certainly hope they trade Lester and sign Ellsbury to a big deal…..

  97. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Mark Teixeira was called out at 1B to end a game when the tying run scored.

    Nobody batted an eyelid.

  98. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Have been told #Redsox definitely have enough hi-end prospects to do Lee without Bogaerts #Phillies

    Exactly.
    They’re moving Jackie Bradley and Barnes and probably Middlebrooks and two lower guys and Young is probably in the deal.

    My guess is DelaRosa (they got from LA) or Workman, who has been good since his call up.
    Or maybe Dubront.

  99. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I certainly hope they trade Lester and sign Ellsbury to a big deal

    Ditto.
    But lets be honest, when Ellsbury is healthy, he’s a terror. Healthy being the operative word.
    That being said, I don’t think they’ll pony up what Boras is going to ask.
    I actually think, if you think about it, that Lavarnway is probably in that deal, and they’ll be the biggest players for McCann.
    It’s not like they don’t have the money to spend.

  100. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    How can they trade Willie Mays Jackie Bradley?

  101. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

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  102. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    This is shaping up to be another goose egg deadline for GM Brian Cashman.

    The Red Sox look like they really benefited from just one year of strategic selling.

  103. Bo knows July 30th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    You mean the Red Sox were in the post season the two years before that?

  104. Tyler July 30th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Ellsbury on a long-term deal seems like a potential train wreck. He’s a very good player but injuries and age are not going to be on his side. His game doesn’t translate well into his mid 30′s.

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  106. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    How can they trade Willie Mays Jackie Bradley?

    Lol. I agree, he’s overhyped. But, he’s darn good. I think he will struggle to adjust at first, but he’s a darn good hitter and defender. I know it’s popular to call him a bust based on his 2 weeks in the majors.

  107. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Ellsbury on a long-term deal seems like a potential train wreck. He’s a very good player but injuries and age are not going to be on his side. His game doesn’t translate well into his mid 30?s.

    Exactly. And they’re not stupid. The only way he stays there is on big money, short term.

    Like 4/70

  108. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Bret, nobody was going to buy our crap from us (Tex, Alex, etc.) for nothing.

    Only the Red Sox can get a Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa gift like that.

  109. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    “But lets be honest, when Ellsbury is healthy, he’s a terror. Healthy being the operative word.”

    He’s been healthy this year though and he has 4 homers…..I think the one year is proving to be a total fluke as he’s never been that guy any other year

  110. Tyler July 30th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Lol. I agree, he’s overhyped. But, he’s darn good. I think he will struggle to adjust at first, but he’s a darn good hitter and defender. I know it’s popular to call him a bust based on his 2 weeks in the majors.
    —————————————————————————————–

    I agree but the ESPN slobberfest will always make me dislike him. And it’s really not his fault.

    I actually think he’ll be serviceable at best. Not a lot of power if they play him in the corners. Good defender, average hitter.

  111. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Well thank God Cashman swooped in at the last minute and swiped Teixeira from the Red Sox. And good thing he grabbed Arod before he went there too for Manny Ramirez.

  112. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    @TBrownYahoo: Red Sox feel a trade for Cliff Lee is highly unlikely. Peavy or Norris still in play.

  113. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Gardner is infinitely better than JBJ.

    JBJ is a turd. He can draw walks, but he cant swing a bat.

  114. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

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  115. k lynn July 30th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Bret, Cashman didnt swoop for Alex. The MLBPA shut down the Alex to Red Sox deal because ole Alexander wanted to restructure his contract for the small market Red Sox, and the MLBPA doesnt allow that.

  116. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    He’s been healthy this year though and he has 4 homers…..I think the one year is proving to be a total fluke as he’s never been that guy any other year

    We disagree again. I think anyone with his bat control and speed on the bases is a terror. I don’t really care about HR – they’re nice – especially for CF, but I’ll take his skill set too.

    And the Tim Brown tweet makes me happy.

  117. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Gardner is infinitely better than JBJ.

    JBJ is a turd. He can draw walks, but he cant swing a bat.

    I would hope so. I mean, he’s a lot older and been in baseball for years now.

  118. blake July 30th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    “We disagree again. I think anyone with his bat control and speed on the bases is a terror. I don’t really care about HR – they’re nice – especially for CF, but I’ll take his skill set too.”

    I think he’s a good player…..he’s just not the guy he was in 2011. He’s a .750-.800 ops hitter who will want to be paid like a .900 OPS guy

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  120. ManningRules July 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    think he’s a good player…..he’s just not the guy he was in 2011. He’s a .750-.800 ops hitter who will want to be paid like a .900 OPS guy

    I agree. Boras will do that. My guess is he signs somewhere for 14-16m per.

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