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Yankees have a busy week ahead

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

At some point, we’ll know for sure what’s going on with Alex Rodriguez and Biogenesis and Major League Baseball. Until that happens — and unless the Yankees make a surprising move in the next 30 hours or so — everything else in this fairly busy week is going to feel secondary.

Jayson NixToday
Jayson Nix returns from hamstring injury
He’s a utility infielder, so it’s hard to make too much of his return, but Nix is likely to get significant time at third base now that his leg has healed. He’s hardly an offensive difference maker, but he does have a .272 batting average and .374 on-base percentage against lefties this season. His career numbers are better than Brent Lillibridge’s. He could be back in the lineup for tonight’s series opener against the Dodgers.

Wednesday
Trade deadline
The Yankees have made one move. Are they going to make another? The non-waiver deadline hits at 4 p.m. ET, but the Yankees seem stuck between contention and uncertainty. Are they willing to give up significant pieces of their future to improve their potentially hopeless present? If not, could they — and would they — dump veteran pieces for prospects?

Thursday
Rodriguez in a game
Obviously this seems subject to change depending on the league’s response to Rodriguez’s connection to Biogenesis (and whether Rodriguez decides to appeal), but for now, the plan is for Rodriguez to play either simulated game or a minor league rehab game on August 1. Brian Cashman has said Rodriguez likely wouldn’t need much more time than this to be big league ready. The league might have quite a bit to say about that.

Friday
Curtis Granderson’s return?
The Yankees play a weekend series in San Diego, and Joe Girardi seemed to leave open the possibility of Granderson returning at some point during that series. “I don’t think that you’ll see Granderson, obviously, in L.A.,” Girardi said. “But we’ll see after that.” Is Cano, Soriano and Granderson and a middle of the order capable of making some noise the final two months?

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214 Responses to “Yankees have a busy week ahead”

  1. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Hunter Pence anyone? -MLB TRADE RUMORS

    As for fellow impending free agents Hunter Pence and Tim Lincecum, as reported yesterday, the Giants intend to make a qualifying offer to both after the season, but are willing to listen to trade offers now.

    The Giants’ interest in retaining Pence and Lincecum will clearly affect whether they’re traded this summer. Assistant GM Bobby Evans noted to Sherman, “You have to be realistic that if you trade a guy, you are not going to be able to re-sign him. That is what history shows.” In a general sense, Evans also said, “We will listen. And things change as the deadline gets closer. But I don’t see anyone overwhelming us to make deals happen.”

  2. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    The SF Giants are now sellers.

    Would they listen on Pablo Sandoval?

  3. JobaTipsHisCap July 30th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    in their next 6 series, they can win at most 2.

  4. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Austinmac-

    This was raised last night about what powers the arbitrator will have in this case. Does the arbitrator have any leeway to modify the case before him, or is he only allowed to decide yea or nay on the case, since no mediator is involved?

  5. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Pablo Sandoval = .317 over his last 17 games

  6. delvec19 July 30th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    How will Yankee fans view the 2009 WS now? ARod pretty much carried the Yanks through those playoffs.

  7. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    “Explain. Do you mean, that ARod really had a Grade one Quad injury, but the Yankees, unlike what they did with Jeter, decided that they didn’t want him playing, hoping they would still get salary relief, from insurance or a suspension?”

    I don’t know…..it just seems fishy…..seems like the Yankees maybe are playing it ultra cautious with the quad to delay his return in hopes that he’ll be suspended before he can come back.

  8. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    I’d love to have Pence but it depends on price….he’s a rental and IMO he’s not going to be the difference in this team winning the WS and not winning the WS……he’s a good player…..but he’s not the difference for me.

    I’d look into getting him but I wouldn’t trade any of the top guys for him at this point……I just don’t think the payoff would be worth it.

  9. JobaTipsHisCap July 30th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    delvec19 July 30th, 2013 at 9:07 am
    How will Yankee fans view the 2009 WS now? ARod pretty much carried the Yanks through those playoffs.

    typical.
    defend 2009 title and throw arod off the bus.

  10. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Would you trade a Gardner PLUS package for Pence and slide Granderson into CF?

  11. Your Worst Nightmare July 30th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    If he is out 2013 and all of 2014 he is done.

    Most can’t turn Baseball skills on and off like running water. Not to mention he will be 40 with an ‘old’ body that has continued to breakdown

    It has always been all about Alex, all the time, which is sad in that I believe he never really has been a real proponent of the team before ‘I’ despite his posturing in the press.

    Perhaps he can spend some quality time improving the living conditions at many of his rental apartment complexes while on suspension.

  12. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    pretty clear and obvious at this point that they don’t want him back……this whole little quad that was a ruse to stall until the suspension came down.
    ———————

    Blake-

    Explain. Do you mean, that ARod really had a Grade one Quad injury, but the Yankees, unlike what they did with Jeter, decided that they didn’t want him playing, hoping they would still get salary relief, from insurance or a suspension?

    Signed,
    Confused

    MG

    YT, I don’t know that it’s a ruse, he was the one who complained about it in the 1st place and their doctor diagnosed it as such.

    I doubt there is enough money available from the Yankees for Dr Ahmad to risk his career and license on a deliberate improper diagnosis-he has 10?s of millions in lifetime income at stake.

    I am also not qualified to offer an opinion about whether the insurance company could have additional grounds for contesting the claim as well.
    ——–

    That was exactly my point when I asked Blake for clarity.

  13. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    With Arod off the books, we now have the option of keeping Granderson through 2014 at least.

  14. pat July 30th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    The arbitrator has complete leeway when it comes to JDA for non-analytic positives. He can decide anywhere from Zero to Lifetime ban.

    Lifetime bans can also petition for reinstatement in 2 years. Makes who follows Bud as Commish an interesting choice.

  15. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    “Would you trade a Gardner PLUS package for Pence and slide Granderson into CF?”

    I wouldn’t no…..Gardner is controlled through next season whereas Pence isn’t.

  16. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    The price for Michael Young keeps getting higher with the Yanks desperate for 3B help.
    It could be a heck of a wild Wednesday for trades.
    Looks like Arod’s going down as the price goes up…

  17. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    MG-

    Blake just answered the question above. There was no suggestion of impropriety by the Yankee Group of team physicians.

  18. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    I think Alex had a legit quad tweak……and I think the Yankees have set the timeline for the injury so that he’s not coming back until MLB announces the suspensions……maybe it all just really worked out that way and it’s coincidence……but I think the Yanks preferred it that way……maybe it wasn’t “a ruse” as there probably was a real injury there…..but I also think Alex probably could have been ready to go earlier than the Yanks are saying.

  19. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    The Yankees don’t need to control Gardner though and Pence is the better hitter. And the only difference is one year of control.

    The Yankees can make a QO to Granderson now that Arod will be off the books.

    Plus they have Ichiro, Wells and Soriano locked up even without Granderson who they can now afford and still get under 189.

    Everything changes with Arod suspended without pay through 2014.

  20. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    The Yankees aren’t going to tell their doctors to give false information about an injury and the doctors aren’t going to do that either……however they could both agree to take the most ultra cautious road to him coming back and I think that’s probably what they did to stall as long as possible. I don’t blame them……they don’t want him coming back for a game or two then being suspended.

  21. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Buster,
    Did you know you were part of a mob?

  22. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    If the only other move is Michael Young they need to make a third one. Bring in Dioner Navarro.

  23. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    No mick but I feel fortunate for not being part of the sob.

  24. astrocityfan July 30th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Here is what mlbtraderumors reported yesterday
    By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 7:10am CST]
    In regard to Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to bypass the grievance procedure in the collectively-bargained joint drug agreement, disciplining A-Rod under the “integrity of the game” clause Article XI, Section A1b, according to Teri Thompson, Bill Madden, Nathaniel Vinton, and Michael O’Keefe of the New York Daily News. Under that scenario, only Selig himself would hear an appeal.

    FanGraphs’ Wendy Thurm wrote about this possibility several weeks ago, calling it Selig’s “nuclear option.” Selig’s decision would be final, and could not be further appealed to an arbitrator or court

    Note that last sentence. If alex fights the suspension expect bud to invoke his nuclear option.

  25. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Ichiro-RF
    Granderson-CF
    Pence-LF

    Soriano-DH
    Wells-4th OF

  26. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Seems like all teams are waiting for the smoke to clear before making deals.
    Should hear something today…
    …Alex camp must be holding this up, discussing strategy as he won’t take this lying down a la Pete Rose.

  27. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Looks like Bud has Al in checkmate.

  28. pat July 30th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Post sending a writer someone has heard of to cover the Himes sidewalk brigade today…..

    KenDavidoff
    The Eagle has landed. A-Rod juat arrived at #Yankees’ complex here in Tampa.

  29. NYYROC July 30th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    So Bud could ban ARod and then only Bud could hear the appeal? Sounds like The Soviet Union.
    Well played Comrade Bud.

  30. 86w183 July 30th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Good morning all —

    Pence is not a better all around player than Gardner right now. It would be a wash as a straight up trade. Pence He has more power, but less speed and is not as good defensively.

    If the Yanks do anything it should be to address 3B or add a LH hitting catcher. Sandoval would be quite a get, but he makes Prince Fielder look thin. Doumit would be a nice addition, too.

  31. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    A suspension for this year and next is looking better and better for Alex.

  32. Chip July 30th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    “Explain. Do you mean, that ARod really had a Grade one Quad injury, but the Yankees, unlike what they did with Jeter, decided that they didn’t want him playing, hoping they would still get salary relief, from insurance or a suspension?”

    I don’t know…..it just seems fishy…..seems like the Yankees maybe are playing it ultra cautious with the quad to delay his return in hopes that he’ll be suspended before he can come back.
    ———————-

    Sounds about right.

  33. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    “Is Cano, Soriano and Granderson and a middle of the order capable of making some noise the final two months?”

    ———-
    I think it’s quite possible if Gardner and Jeter continue to get on base. It’s the starting pitching I’m concerned with . If some of them don’t start giving the team quality starts, the bullpen, by overuse down the stretch, might start to falter.

  34. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    So Alex lied about the quad and the Yanks backed him up?

  35. MG July 30th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    MG July 28th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    mick July 28th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    he has a better chance of headlining Wrestlemania 30 in a steel cage match against Jose Canseco that being on the field for the Yankees…
    =====================
    they can’t stop him.
    —————–
    if you haven’t read the DN article this afternoon about the likelihood of a suspension then you probably should do so.

    If he doesn’t accept the season+ suspension he will appeal and be able to play during the process but, at this point in time, are the Yankees really going to give him playing time while this is unfolding given the hatred between the club and Arod?

    This isn’t worth any argument, it will be announced very shortly and what happens after that will happens

    mick July 28th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    The bigger the penalty to Alex , the more he will fight it and appeal .
    He will play this year and fight it in the offseason.
    MLB won’t get the ban.
    —————————
    mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    Looks like Bud has Al in checkmate.
    ———————————–
    boy, mick, you sure are good at changing positions without any accountability for prior statements.

    you have made it an art form, congratulations.

  36. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Mick that’s right. It’s precisely why he left his meeting with MLB like he just saw a ghost – the ghost of Alex Rodriguez – a shell of himself attempting a comeback at 40 after a layoff well over 2 years.

  37. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    “Is Cano, Soriano and Granderson and a middle of the order capable of making some noise the final two months?”

    ———-
    I think it’s quite possible if Gardner and Jeter continue to get on base. It’s the starting pitching
    =======================
    Don’t forget Ichiro who is heating up with the return of his buddy Jeter.
    Ichiro could be the new Matsui batting 6th.

  38. 86w183 July 30th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    In regard to Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to bypass the grievance procedure in the collectively-bargained joint drug agreement, disciplining A-Rod under the “integrity of the game” clause Article XI, Section A1b, according to Teri Thompson, Bill Madden, Nathaniel Vinton, and Michael O’Keefe of the New York Daily News. Under that scenario, only Selig himself would hear an appeal.

    The Yanks reportedly have champagne on ice in anticipation of this very thing happening. If it does they can sign Cano and perhaps two of Kuroda/Granderson/Hughes and still get down to the targeted $ 189.

  39. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    boy, mick, you sure are good at changing positions without any accountability for prior statements.
    ========================
    what is my position?

  40. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    “The Yankees don’t need to control Gardner though and Pence is the better hitter. And the only difference is one year of control.”

    they don’t need a CF and leadoff hitter next year? Gardner is probably more valuable even if they both were controlled through next year.

    Either way…..they don’t need to trade one of their good players for another player…..that doesn’t make them any better…..they need to add somebody to Gardner

  41. pkyankfan69 July 30th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Maybe Cash is making a behind the scenes run at Cargo?

    Sanchez/Williams/De Paula/Turley for Cargo

    We can dream can’t we?

  42. MG July 30th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    mick July 28th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    he has a better chance of headlining Wrestlemania 30 in a steel cage match against Jose Canseco that being on the field for the Yankees…
    =====================
    they can’t stop him.
    —————————
    mick July 28th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    The bigger the penalty to Alex , the more he will fight it and appeal .
    He will play this year and fight it in the offseason.
    MLB won’t get the ban.
    –—————————
    mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    Looks like Bud has Al in checkmate.
    ————————-
    mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:25 am
    A suspension for this year and next is looking better and better for Alex.
    ————————————
    based on the above, my guess is whatever you need to say to get a reaction…

  43. Ys Guy July 30th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    tino’s side of the story:

    “Do you realize I’m out of baseball basically because a couple of players didn’t pick up balls in the cage when I asked them to?”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....age-072913

  44. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “So Alex lied about the quad and the Yanks backed him up?”

    no I think Alex tweaked his quad and the Yankees are taking the most cautious time line possible for him to return…..and are doing this to stall

  45. tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    I think Alex had a legit quad tweak……and I think the Yankees have set the timeline for the injury so that he’s not coming back until MLB announces the suspensions……maybe it all just really worked out that way and it’s coincidence……but I think the Yanks preferred it that way……maybe it wasn’t “a ruse” as there probably was a real injury there…..but I also think Alex probably could have been ready to go earlier than the Yanks are saying.

    ************************
    A-Rod hurt his quad a week after Jeter hurt his quad and is sched to return to “action” (sim game/rehab game) less then a week after Jeter. Legit or not, it is the same time line to return for both guys.

  46. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    If he doesn’t accept the season+ suspension he will appeal and be able to play during the process but, at this point in time, are the Yankees really going to give him playing time while this is unfolding given the hatred between the club and Arod?
    ============================
    did you know about the “best interest of baseball” rule and the fact that he can’t appeal if sanctioned by the CBA and not JDA?

    i’m just trying to be objective.

  47. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I’d rather have Tulo than Cargo if we are dreaming.

  48. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Carlos Ruiz might be the best, available, low cost , option for the Yankees, at catcher.

  49. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    based on the above, my guess is whatever you need to say to get a reaction…
    ======================
    guess i got you.

    btw…get off your high horse.

  50. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Either way…..they don’t need to trade one of their good players for another player…..that doesn’t make them any better…..they need to add somebody to Gardner

    ___________

    Granderson replaces Gardner short and long term. They need another righty. Granderson is an upgrade over Gardner and Pence is an upgrade over Wells.

  51. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    The Yanks wanted Alex to report to Buffalo to continue rehab.
    Alex the Great did not want to go.
    Hence the “injury.”
    Only right that one of his many lies came to haunt him.

  52. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    “A-Rod hurt his quad a week after Jeter hurt his quad and is sched to return to “action” (sim game/rehab game) less then a week after Jeter. Legit or not, it is the same time line to return for both guys.”

    Alex is set to play a sim game thursday I think….I guess it depends on when they’d actually let him come back……maybe you’re right…..I just get the feeling that they are going to stall as long as possible until the suspensions come down.

  53. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Not with standing all the trade deadline and Arod follies, I wonder what posters think about Cashman’s continued belligerence and combative comments re: the Soriano deal with respect to his future employment?

    Might be nice to hear from his media HOF supporters on the subject!

    Is it possible he was dating a lady named Soriano and she dismissed him, leading to his disavowal of all Sorianos? ;)

  54. pkyankfan69 July 30th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    We should offer the Rockies our top 10 Prospects + $20M + All of Hal’s Yachts and vacation homes for Tulo + Cargo.

  55. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    The suspension needs to come down today before the trade deadline. Alex is purposefully dragging this past the deadline out of spite – basically daring MLB to show its hand before accepting a plea bargain that virtually ends his career. You just know MLB wants to give the Yankees time to acquire a 3B before the deadline. The Yankees need to just push forward. I’d love it if they had the brass to acquire a long-term 3B controlled for past Arod’s current contract. :lol: But it will likely be someone short term like Michael Young which is someone I suggested a long time ago.

    MG, you remember pooping down my throat that morning?

  56. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    “Granderson replaces Gardner short and long term. They need another righty. Granderson is an upgrade over Gardner and Pence is an upgrade over Wells.”

    for the team to actually become better you’d have to have Granderson, Gardner, and Pence in the lineup.

    Granderson and Pence isn’t really any better than Granderson and Gardner……you could argue it’s worse but at best it’s a lateral move and it makes you worse for next season as well…….

  57. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “Not with standing all the trade deadline and Arod follies, I wonder what posters think about Cashman’s continued belligerence and combative comments re: the Soriano deal with respect to his future employment?”

    telling the truth most likely…..Cashman probably wants to sell so he likely sees the Soriano trade as making a negligible difference and as not affecting the final outcome of the season…..and he’s most likely right especially if they do nothing else.

  58. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Or they could acquire Sandoval, and make it clear he’s a 1B in addition to a 3B.

    Seems like SF would want a ton for him (no pun intended) even though he’s controlled only through 2014. He’s hitting .317 over his last 17 games and been on fire since his return from the DL. He’s a big trade chip for SF along with Lincecum and Pence.

  59. MG July 30th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:35 am
    based on the above, my guess is whatever you need to say to get a reaction…
    ======================
    guess i got you.

    btw…get off your high horse.
    —————–
    no high horse-you respond to posts with an opposing statement that you contend is what is going to happen with 100% certainty, then change your mind to whatever suits you to get a reaction.

    I figured you out a long time ago, as others have, just sharing…

  60. blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “We should offer the Rockies our top 10 Prospects + $20M + All of Hal’s Yachts and vacation homes for Tulo + Cargo.”

    Hal would never give up his yachts

  61. MG July 30th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:35 am
    based on the above, my guess is whatever you need to say to get a reaction…
    ======================
    guess i got you.

    btw…get off your high horse.
    —————–
    no high horse-you respond to posts with an opposing statement that you contend is what is going to happen with 100% certainty, then change your mind to whatever suits you, with the same 100% certainty, to get a reaction.

    I figured you out a long time ago, as others have, just sharing…

  62. 86w183 July 30th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    I’m sure Cashman got the okay to clarify his position on this Soriano acquisition just as he obviously did on his last Soriano acquisition.

    Are there any other Soriano’s out there?

    **************************************************************************

    We should offer the Rockies our top 10 Prospects + $20M + All of Hal’s Yachts and vacation homes for Tulo + Cargo.

    *************************************************************************

    No way Hal’s giving up the S.S. Minnow…. but I’d love to have those two guys. Tulo canplay 3B next year during Jeter’s farewell tour.

  63. MG July 30th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Lohud posted that 2X, don’t know how that happened.

    Later, business calls….

  64. mick July 30th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I figured you out a long time ago, as others have, just sharing…
    ==================
    thanks for sharing- at least i stimulate discussion unlike you who sits and judges.

    you still haven’t answered my question.

  65. Yankee Trader July 30th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    An interesting article by Tim Marchman -”Maybe Yankees should have kept Soriano to begin with”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....23760.html

    Agree to disagree.

  66. tbone1570 July 30th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    blake July 30th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Alex is set to play a sim game thursday I think….I guess it depends on when they’d actually let him come back……maybe you’re right…..I just get the feeling that they are going to stall as long as possible until the suspensions come down.

    ****************
    I don’t even know if I’m right, because with all of this garbage going on we are all short of what the real facts are. I was just pointing out the consistency in the timelines. Who knows, maybe they made Jeter play a sim game instead of just activating him beacuase that’s what they announce A-Rod would be doing!

  67. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    @injuryexpert I’m loathe to give out a link, but the drugs Biogenesis were using were cheap and widely available. Just found the whole set for under $100.

  68. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Yeah they built a special clinic around drugs that are widely available anywhere cheap. Sounds like a business plan.

  69. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    And yet coincidentally a huge crop of MLB players all chose the same clinic over all the other vast sources of cheap drugs.

    Maybe the pretty wallpaper?

  70. joeman July 30th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:10 am
    Would you trade a Gardner PLUS package for Pence and slide Granderson into CF?
    ——————–
    yes..yes..yes

  71. Tackelberry July 30th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    ON the baseball side, we’ll be lucky to get out of LA with a split with Grienke and Kershaw line up to face us. The Kuroda-Kershaw matchup should be a great one. Lets hope they don’t let Puig beat us.

  72. joeman July 30th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Gardner,joba,Hughes

  73. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    No joeman, Gardner is better than Pence :lol:

  74. pat July 30th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    I love Tino. Was one of my favorite players for many years but sounds like as a coach he was demanding respect rather than earning it….

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Exclusive: Tino Martinez details incidents with #Marlins players that led him to his resignation. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....age-072913

  75. joeman July 30th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    No joeman, Gardner is better than Pence :lol:

    —————————
    not in fantasy this year…lol

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    “You didn’t answer my question Trish, why the retraction?”

    Interestingly enough, because C R9 was able to change my thinking not with all the keyboard tears that have come from you and others attempting too keep a cheater aboard but from the perspective of the entirely human and downright tragic side of who Rodriguez really is and what he is likely to suffer in the future. So for that I am willing to retract my wish that he has injuries if the takes the field. He probably would eventually from the continued breakdown of his steroid-laden body. But I don’t need to wish that on him. He’s tragic enough as it is.

    As I stated, if life is so unfortunate to have him show up again in a Yankee uniform, I will neither cheer for or against him but merely hold my nose until his AB has passed.

  77. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Buster, you’re making an assumption that Granderson is a Yankee next year?

    Granderson would “replace” Gardner with more power bu certainly not average, defense or baserunning!

    Is Pence signed for additional years and who would we have to give San Fran.

    Surely you know Sabean will pick the lesser Brian’s pocket…………unless he can trade them Soriano!

  78. joeman July 30th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    joeman July 30th, 2013 at 9:59 am
    Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    No joeman, Gardner is better than Pence :lol:

    —————————
    not in fantasy this year…lol

    —————————–
    because Gardner decided he didn’t want to steal as much this year

  79. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    gardner stealing in front of cano would have been stupid.

  80. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Thank god for Johnny Manziel, am I right?

  81. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    pat – The whole thing is just terribly sad. I do wish Tino would have gotten some polished PR people on it before addressing anything. I think his apology left something to be desired and while the first part of the Rosenthal article helps me understand the circumstances, the second part (specifically the Kochman part) slides me back to just being sad about Tino.

  82. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    why is alex going to suffer?
    take the plea and get 60m, sounds like a good deal.
    he has plenty to live on and will find a way…

  83. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Pat, while not comparing the two, Ted Williams had similar problems with younger players.

    Think he needed to be “more respectful” or might it then and now be the other way around?

    Yes the culture has changed but is there any denying we live in a “wussified” world when it comes to the “everyone gets a trophy crowd”?

  84. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    people feeling sorry for arod here is pathetic…

  85. joeman July 30th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:04 am
    gardner stealing in front of cano would have been stupid.

    ———————————————-
    didn’t know he was batting in front of Cano

  86. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    blind respect is out.
    it’s a good and bad thing.
    needs to be a middle ground.

  87. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    It’s not pathetic. It’s downright strange though. He’s a weird player though so obviously he will attract weird fans – like the drama club in high school.

  88. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    “La affaire Tino”, from the political correctness crowd.

    Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional illogical minority and rapidly promoted by mainstream media and the blog denizens.

    Which pontificates the proposition that it entirely possible to pick up a piece of S**T by the clean end!

    Give it a rest with the pansification of America!

  89. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Notice how Alex is melodramatic and so are many of his most devote fans.

  90. Tackelberry July 30th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    I definitely can see Granderson back next year. He will probably accept the Yanks QO to try and rebuild his free agency value for the folloiwing year. He’ll get what? About 13.8 mill? Thats not bad on a one year deal for Yanks.

  91. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    edit: devout fans

  92. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    – like the drama club in high school.
    ================
    good analogy.
    but how can you feel sorry for him?

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    And now a song dedicated to Tar! (I’ve taken the liberty to change a word or two…)

    :)

    YOU AND ME AGAINST THE WORLD

    You and me against the world,
    Sometimes it seems like you and me against the world,
    When all the others turn their backs and walked away,
    You can count on me to stay.

    Remember when the circus came to town
    The day you learned to be a clown,
    Wasn’t it nice to be around someone that you knew,
    Someone who was big and strong and looking out for

    You and me against the world,
    Sometimes it seems like you and me against the world
    And for all the times we’ve cried
    I’ve always known that karma was our guide…
    So when one of us is gone,
    And one of us is left to carry on,
    Then remembering will have to do,
    Our memories alone will get us through
    Think about the days of me and you,
    Of you and me against the world.

    If anyone wants to sing along, here’s the video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGAm5QuStWk

    :D

  94. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    I can definitely see Granderson back as well. So figure Granderson + Ichiro + Wells + Soriano + Almonte.

    They could easily deal Gardner from a surplus to a team like SF.

    I’d love to get Sandoval.

  95. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    – like the drama club in high school.
    ================
    good analogy.
    but how can you feel sorry for him?

    __________

    Because for the drama club, life is persecution. Parents don’t understand and everything is hard.

  96. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Astonishing the Arod devotee’s comments.

    The guy is an unremediated pathological cheater ,liar ,lousy husband and all around jerk.

    Wish him well but throw him under the bus, the sooner the better!

  97. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    It’s why they’re hypersensitive to the booing. They were ridiculed by meanies.

    Except sometimes ridicule is justified. They never learned that lesson.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    “Astonishing the Arod devotee’s comments.

    The guy is an unremediated pathological cheater ,liar ,lousy husband and all around jerk.

    Wish him well but throw him under the bus, the sooner the better!”

    Ain’t it?

    :)

  99. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Because for the drama club, life is persecution.
    ====================
    imagine that. so when coming from the president of the drama club, a persecution complex is
    something he would know about.
    i don’t feel persecuted, do you?

  100. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Trish, are you channeling Sinatra’s “We had it all”?

    “Passion without pain” is my wish for your Yankee devotion! ;)

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    July 30, 2013 at 10:20 am
    Far, NYROC, Shame Spencer, Bobby Murcer thank you for your balanced posts and for not allowing this hideous hypocrisy by MLB to be swept under the rug.

    I agree that Alex lacks the charisma to “convert” anyone and that in itself is laughable when the greatest enabler of all has been Major League Baseball and Bud Selig.

  102. blake July 30th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    “I love Tino. Was one of my favorite players for many years but sounds like as a coach he was demanding respect rather than earning it….”

    perhaps the kids he was trying to coach were doing the same? Everyone is so sensitive these days……culture we live in I guess…..personally I think people in general need to grow some thicker skin sometimes and deal…..

  103. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    I think we’re all persecuted on some level at different points in our lives. It’s just some are better at identifying their oppressors and what to do/not do about it. You pick your battles.

  104. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    did bud supply alex with these substances?

  105. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Buster, what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger!

    Rejection makes the best salesmen! ;)

  106. 86w183 July 30th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    trisha —-

    I love you girl, but Helen Reddy? You couldn’t do better than Helen Reddy ??

    As for Tino —- I have met him several times and is a very humble, soft spoken guy. Can’t imagine he did anything more “violent” than chew some lazy butts.

  107. JobaTipsHisCap July 30th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    when will they send Arod to jail? this week?

  108. Kelvin July 30th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    I’ve been one of A-rods biggest supporters, he really gets the bad end of the sick 9 out of 10 times… However, he really has dug his own grave. If he is really suspended he has no one to blame but himself, sucks because he was one of the reasons I started watching baseball as a youngster. Jeter, Mariano, A-rod, Randy Johnson and the 90′s Braves pitching staff. Oh well, we need to move on. Hopefully the resolution for all these suspensions is near.

  109. mick July 30th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    They were ridiculed by meanies.
    ===================
    So this is their LoHud presentation of Revenge of the Nerds?

  110. Kelvin July 30th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    of the stick* :) lol

  111. austinmac July 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    YT,

    Generally, arbitrators have the right to make any ruling they deem appropriate and not just yes or no. However, as we know from salary arbitration cases, this can be modified by agreement. I don’t know if there is such an agreement in these circumstances. I tend to doubt it.

  112. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Nixy is coming back; we are saved!

  113. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Mick I was trying to find show times for “This is the End” and I believe I’m stuck in that period where it’s left the theaters and won’t reach DVD for months.

  114. Tackelberry July 30th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    and now back to ‘real’ baseball for a moment. Remember those that were bashing Cashman for giving up on Kennedy too soon? Looks like his honeymoon in AZ is over as the Dbacks have put him on the trading block. His ERA is over 5 now. Imagine how the AL East would have destroyed hm. He’d be worse than Hughes.

  115. Tackelberry July 30th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am
    Nixy is coming back; we are saved!

    _____________________________________________

    Rather see them stick with Lillibridge

  116. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    IPK has joined the scrap heap and Austin Jackson has an OPS+ of 100. And we all know how Melky and Jesus Montero have performed.

  117. blake July 30th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I’m a little surprised how bad IPK has been this year…..I really haven’t seen him pitch much though so I don’t know what the issue has been. Baseball is hard…..most players don’t stay good very long

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “I love you girl, but Helen Reddy? You couldn’t do better than Helen Reddy ??”

    :lol:

    I couldn’t help it. It was the damned song. I just thought it fit the situation so well. You have to picture Tar as Helen Reddy and kermit as Arod!

    ;)

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “and now back to ‘real’ baseball for a moment. Remember those that were bashing Cashman for giving up on Kennedy too soon? Looks like his honeymoon in AZ is over as the Dbacks have put him on the trading block. His ERA is over 5 now. Imagine how the AL East would have destroyed hm. He’d be worse than Hughes.”

    Which I always say it’s futile to look at what someone is doing/has done with another team and imagine it as the Yankees. There is never any way to know.

    Look at all the Cespedes love! Look ahead, not back, once you shed a player. It’s really the only scientifically legitimate thing to do.

    :)

  120. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I loved Helen Reddy! LOL!

  121. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Tackel, pitchers sometimes have their ups and downs. I wouldn’t categorize a pitcher prematurely based on a small sample size, but I haven’t watched IPK pitch, so have no idea what the story is there. However, I wouldn’t put a nail in his coffin yet, and he still is under control until 2015, so I am sure somebody would like that if Towers ends up trading him.

    I take it Grandy will play LF tonight in Trenton. As for our OF prospects, Slade’s been trending downward lately, while Mason for the season is: .306/.375/.425 vs. RHP. I would love to have seen both move up, but it isn’t looking like it is going to happen any time soon.

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    HYPOCRISY?

    Arod apologists will come up with anything.

    Like it or not, MLB is now charged with fulfilling its responsibilities under MLB rules. Oh well. Unfortunate that Selig is the commissioner but that’s the way it is.

    The only hypocrisy I see is the Arod apologists making any weak excuses for his cheating the game, when their real agenda is to have their perception of a “winner” at third base, ethics be damned. WIN FOR US! OH PLEASE WIN FOR US! Can Charles Manson hit? Anyone got an in with the parole board?

  123. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Prufrock, so your proposition is that EVERY professional league’s leadership should be indicted for collusion/ignorance/blind eye with the peds issue?

    You think it’s possible to change human nature?

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “I love you girl, but Helen Reddy? You couldn’t do better than Helen Reddy ??”

    :lol:

    I couldn’t help it. It was the damned song. I just thought it fit the situation so well. You have to picture Tar as Helen Reddy and kermit as Arod!

    ;)
    ///

    You think you’re funny, mocking a well respected poster here who actually contributes to real baseball dialogue, and people are giving you props for it?

    I doubt they understood what you just spelled out – that you were mocking the guy instead of honestly debating, but that’s your MO, isn’t it.

    Tar has forgotten more baseball than you will ever know or understand.

  125. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    There are two trains headed full speed towards each other on the same track. One called Dunce Bud & the other Melodramatic Alex! They will collide and for the best interest of baseball they both take up another job! Bud should have been fired years ago. Funny part is if Bud had been fired years ago, perhaps Alex would not have immersed himself in PEDs. Bud Lite the guy who lifted up Steroids & PEDs to new hights with McGwire & Sosa!! How many new recruits did those two bring to PEDs. McGwire, whom I like, is still in baseball as a coach. How ironic is it the man who elevate the PEDs game is still a lifelong member & one of his converts is perhaps getting a lifetime ban! Who could make up stuff like this??? Truth is stranger than fiction! I can hear Canseco saying now Amen!

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Look, I really do appreciate Tar and believe he is totally sincere in what he is saying, even though I don’t agree with his perspective. So my taking that jab at him was totally in good fun. I really hope he relizes that.

    I’m not quite as convinced about the sincerity of others who are taking on the Arod cause.

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    My 10:55 post was written before I saw the latest furtive missive by Virginia Prufrock Woolf regarding the same topic.

    Sorry Virginia – there is no Christmas – for you anyway.

    Tar and I are friends and will be long after your continued attempts at convincing posters here that there are spies behind every bush.

    You have a good day for yourself, ya hear?

    :)

  128. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    There are three people here who try to twist what others say.

    Fortunately, they have sorely under appreciated everyone’s ability to read.

    MLB is up to its eyeballs in creating/enabling/profiting from what is an entrenched drug culture. Alex’s head in a basket does nothing to change that.

  129. blake July 30th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Danny Knobler ?@DannyKnoblerCBS 13m
    Now A-Rod has done yet another “exclusive” interview, telling Sports Illustrated he wants “to be a role model.”

  130. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I am not on A-Rod’s side but I think it is equally ridiculous that MLB is willing to circumvent rules and the way they have always done things, just to screw with A-Rod, while Braun (who actually failed a drug test), gets a measly 65 games AND records showed continuous relationships with Biogenesis. Unless Alex owned the lab AND supplied everyone else, a ban will not hold up, but rather be seen as a major overreach and a personal vendetta from Bud.

    I would just be happy to save the 25M in 2014.

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    It is true that Alex really needs an edit button. He does not seem to understand that the less he says, the better off he is.

  132. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Agreed. Alex should have listened to Cashman and just STFU!
    I cannot believe this man cannot stop talking…….

  133. Wave Your Hat July 30th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    I’m not sure whether I am objectively now more tired of the constant villification of ARod than I was then of the constant denunciations of the Montero trade, but subjectively I certainly am.

  134. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Tino with the young guys is one thing, but apparently he challenged Kotchman to a fight and questioned if he was really injured… which Tino apologized for without saying for what part of that exactly lol. Bad, bad PR, regardless of sensitivity.

  135. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    ARod reminds me a bit like Bill Clinton! Some things they personally couldn’t help themselves. They both are near geniuses in their fields & both had that Achilles heel that personified their attempt to avert certain failure. Both were kind of melodramatic and enjoy living on the edge. Both captivated the attention of almost everyone like a lightning rod. Both had scandalous prosecutors and a large group of 1st stoners to cast their guilt by trying to deflect their own guilt.

    Some highly successful people are raised this way of never being good enough and wanting to trapse the very edge of danger & losing everything. We all wait for their falls and opine their disaster only to see them rise again in a new way. I’m not sure how this ARod scenario will play out, but I suspect it will be totally unexpected. What the worm may turn for us to all see is a declaration of facts to show that Bud was an enabler, a supporter & a cover up guy of all things PEDs which could be his lasting memoir and IMO should be.

  136. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Shame, I feel badly for Tino. Don’t know what truly went down, but based on the reports, it seems like the context for these things has been played with a bit.

    If George were still on the planet, Tino would probably get a “come home to the Bronx” invite.

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “I’m not sure whether I am objectively now more tired of the constant villification of ARod than I was then of the constant denunciations of the Montero trade, but subjectively I certainly am.”

    For you Wave, white flag, at least until “the annoucement” hits the news. Then I will try to keep it to a minimum of a yay or boo post.

    :)

  138. austinmac July 30th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Trisha,

    AROD comes to bat at a critical moment of the game–do you want him to get a key hit or make an out?

  139. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    RayVT, interesting comparison…not to get too simplistic, but didn’t Clinton have a “father” issue, too?

    That’s an interesting take.

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 30th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Ray – I despise Bud like no other. But I love the game as much as I despise Bud and if he’s the charge guy to clean up the game because he knows the antitrust is at stake and he’s being watched by Congress, then he is. It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it!

    :)

    Later dear friend.

  141. Wave Your Hat July 30th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Thanks, trisha! Once the announcement comes I won’t begrudge you your say.

  142. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Yes the culture has changed but is there any denying we live in a “wussified” world when it comes to the “everyone gets a trophy crowd”?
    =================================

    We all know those that grew up with the “everyone gets a trophy” era

    (or is it still being put on young kids today ?)

    The ‘namby-pambys’ are coming home to roost….even those that actually were very good (but not good enough)

  143. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Shame, I feel badly for Tino. Don’t know what truly went down, but based on the reports, it seems like the context for these things has been played with a bit.

    If George were still on the planet, Tino would probably get a “come home to the Bronx” invite.

    —————-

    I think if it was anyone besides Tino he’d get a lot less rope from people. Remember when a guy working for that ball club over in Queens was challenging guys to fights..? Look, I do think it’s entirely possible some of the stuff was blown out of proportion but Tino isn’t a head coach and isn’t responsible for shaping the culture of the org he works for. There wasn’t much taking accountability in anything he’s said and that disappoints me.

  144. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Alex Rodriguez 3b

    10 years/$275M (2008-17)

    10 years/$275M (2008-17)

    re-signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/13/07

    $10M signing bonus ($2M paid upon approval, $1M paid each Jan. 15, 2009-2013, $3M paid Jan. 15, 2014)

    08:$27M, 09:$32M, 10:$32M, 11:$31M, 12:$29M, 13:$28M, 14:$25M, 15:$21M, 16:$20M, 17:$20M

    __________________

    It looks like the Yankees will have an extra 25 M to work with in 2014!!!!

    AWESOME!

  145. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    AROD comes to bat at a critical moment of the game–do you want him to get a key hit or make an out?
    ___

    Didn’t you ask the same question yesterday?
    No one will vote for him to make an out over a key hit.

    This isn’t even the issue.
    The issue is whether he should be playing period.

    We are Yankee fans and whoever they put out where we want to help the team, even if that is A-Rod. But most will argue they are cheering for team success, not Alex as an individual.

  146. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    RayVT,

    And both married a bearded lady.

  147. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Even if A-Rod misses all of 2014, he will STILL count $2.5M to the luxury tax because of the AAV being higher than what the Yankees are actually set to pay him in 2014. That being said, $2.5M is WAY BETTER than $27.5M.

  148. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Tackelberry July 30th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    and now back to ‘real’ baseball for a moment. Remember those that were bashing Cashman for giving up on Kennedy too soon? Looks like his honeymoon in AZ is over as the Dbacks have put him on the trading block. His ERA is over 5 now. Imagine how the AL East would have destroyed hm. He’d be worse than Hughes.

    =========================================

    IPK has not pitched against one single AL team this year.

    Marginal pitchers usually get slammed moving from NL to AL.

    (Usually doesn’t matter for VG pitchers.)

    Anyone have the lifetime splits for Kennedy against American League teams…. ???

    I’m betting it’s horrific !!!

  149. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Kotchcman can hit anything ,Tino is the Tampa tornado!

    So to be correct, “Bud made him do it” is the defense of the reprehensible character who just happens to be e terrific athlete but a lousy human being and a cheater?

    America in the 21st. century “excuse central” and victimization!

    Add it up and it remains rationalization, man up Arod and move on with your life.

    And yes someone has to be the poster boy for PEDS use, and since you channel “vulnerability” like an AA actress, you be the manchild!

  150. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 2m

    Hear Biogenesis suspensions not today, unlikely tmrw, probably Thurs or Fri, so beyond trade deadline. A-Rod #Yankees
    ____

    Bud is just as big a douche as A-Rod is.
    Stop dragging this on and on……
    It screams, “LOOK AT ME I AM BUD SELIG AND I AM ALL POWERFUL, PLEASE IGNORE HOW BIG A HYPOCRITE I AM”. No wonder he hates Alex, he is just like him…

  151. austinmac July 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    AC,

    I did ask that question and saw one reply. I wonder, really wonder, if Trisha with her AROD hatred can pull for a hit. I sure would.

    He shouldn’t be playing if the evidence is true, but if he appeals the Yankees have to play him or get ready for major litigation. I hope we don’t come to that but we might.

  152. TheStraw July 30th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    After reading that article about Tino, it’s not suprising that the Marlins are a losing franchise right now.

    I would love to know the real story on this Arod stuff on both sides. It seems obvious that that Yanks are trying to stall him until the suspension both for insurance reasons and so that they can attempt to void his contract. But I also believe that Alex’s massive insecurities are preventing him from doing the right thing here for himself, which would be to negotiate a deal with MLB. he is clearly using legal delay tactics of his own to mprolong this. Of course, that is his right, but I think it is a fool’s errand. He has to come clean once and for all to try and mitigate all the damage he has done to his own legacy and the game.

    The only thing that would change my opinion is if MLB really has nothing more on him than extremely circumstantial evidence–in which case Selig should be tarred and feathered for targeting him.

    There is no way to know until they realease what they have on him.

  153. Wave Your Hat July 30th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    I sure hope the Yanks can maintain the momentum and good feeling they generated Sunday during this road trip. If they can split this series with LA, I think the rest of the trip could be pretty successful.

  154. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    JAP

    Yes they both have a Father issue & both are polarizing figures with a magnetic personality when they are one on one.

    Trisha!

    Love you! I just don’t think Bud has the ethics to do the right thing. He is nothing short of a gangster free wheeling it as he goes to the whim of his own super inflated ego. The only ego I know of in baseball that exceeds ARod’s is Bud’s! How is that for a thought for the day?

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Shame, I don’t know, I think he claimed it, but he also just expressed I think genuine consternation on why his demands were so challenged. I don’t believe he should just get a pass for being “old school”, which may be a bit euphemistic, depending on how harsh this all actually was. But I don’t believe Tino is a bad guy…someone wrote something in here (can’t recall who) about these “win at all costs” types that came out of our mid-late 90s runs….that intensity needs to be channeled properly, and what strikes me the most about this is that it sounds pretty much like it could be business as usual, if the contents of some coach-player workadays/interactions were spilled out for all to see….

    I can imagine how Jorge might react, for example, if a young upstart folded his arms and said “no” he would not go pick up the balls….

  156. austinmac July 30th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    The Yankees have to assume that AROD is not going to be part of the team, don’t they?

    I bet they will add Michael Young for a cost I wish they wouldn’t pay.

  157. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    There is no point in making a trade unless it will have major impact. We need a 3B and 1B or someone that can play both. We need him to also be able to hit. I am still on the Mark Trumbo bandwagon, bad defense and all. The man can play 3b, 1b and of AND hits from the right side. They can work on defense. We need OFFENSE.

  158. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    You hit the nail on the head!

  159. RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I’m on the Pablo Sandoval side myself. I think SF is fed up with him & I think NYY could really use him! I hope it goes thru!

  160. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    I don’t think he’s a bad person either… that’s not really what my commentary was on, just to be clear.

    The org has set the standard for conduct.. Tino might not like it and that might simply not be the organization for him. He should handle himself better than that.

    I actually worked for a manager that once challenged a fiscal analyst to a fist fight lol.. to me, sports or not, that’s a ridiculous thing to do as a professional.

  161. JimK July 30th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    The following link is to a university law review of MLB and the MLBPA handling of the Barry Bonds case. According to the author Bonds MLB conspired against Bonds after his last contract expired and the Association, through its failure to file a grievance on his behalf, failed to fulfill its duty of “Fair Representation.”
    Admittedly I have not read the article in depth, as being somewhat older, I need to print out a hard copy to fully comprehend any detailed writings. But there is one point that sticks out; and that is under the current contract the Association will not file a grievance on a player’s behalf without the consent of the player involved; I do not know if this provision is new or if Bonds asked for representation and was refused.
    I thought with the controversy surrounding Rodriquez this article may be of interest to some here.

    http://www.albanygovernmentlaw.....rrente.pdf

  162. ac1 July 30th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    I REALLY dont get this Hunter Pence stuff. We are already overcrowded in the OF and Grandy isnt even back yet.

    We need 3B and 1B, maybe a catcher if there is time.

    We do NOT need more outfielders.

  163. DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    The name that fits the Yankee roste out there is Morneau. The fact he walks at seasons end fits the Yankee $189 Mill target. DONE DEAL

  164. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I actually worked for a manager that once challenged a fiscal analyst to a fist fight lol.. to me, sports or not, that’s a ridiculous thing to do as a professional.

    ——————————-

    I agree with the textbook expectation you stated.

    Like it or not – sports are not (and never will be) similiar to the office workplace.

    (any & every athlete, past or present, will tell you that)

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Shame, yes it is ridiculous, but I try to keep an eye on the humanity in these things (not saying you don’t, btw). People do things they regret/get excited, etc. Again, I don’t know the extent of these happenings.

  166. 86w183 July 30th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    I like Trumbo as much as anyone. Yes, he CAN play 3B, but he shouldn’t.

    He’s played 8 games at 3B and committed 4 errors. Not so good.

    Still what the Yanks need most is some sort of offensive upgrade at 3B and a LH hitting catcher to share playing time.

    I just can’t find a 3B that makes much sense other than Sandoval and I doubt the Giants want to move him.

  167. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    DONNYBROOK July 30th, 2013 at 11:36 am
    The name that fits the Yankee roste out there is Morneau. The fact he walks at seasons end fits the Yankee $189 Mill target. DONE DEAL

    ———————-

    What would the Twns look for in return ???

  168. TheStraw July 30th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I’d rather take Michael Young than the Panda. He can play every infield position and frankly Sandoval’s weight issues scare me.

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    RayVT July 30th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I’m on the Pablo Sandoval side myself. I think SF is fed up with him & I think NYY could really use him! I hope it goes thru!
    ///

    He’s been mashing since the break. Love him, but Panda will cost a lot – too much.

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    I’d rather have Panda, all things being equal, but he will cost an arm and a leg.

  171. Warning Track Power July 30th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Good morning everybody!
    What is going on today?
    Are you east coast fans looking forward to the 10 pm first pitch tonight and
    tomorrow and friday?

  172. Mike Ri July 30th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I’d rather take Michael Young than the Panda. He can play every infield position and frankly Sandoval’s weight issues scare me.

    —-
    Exactly !

  173. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Just for informational purposes.

    How does anyone know if this is a Selig conspiracy?

    Most posts here don’t think he’ smart enough.

    Why would the commissioner act either indiscreetly or unilaterally since he represents MLB, meaning all the owners?

    Does anyone think that Selig is not being scripted by MLB legal?

    This being the case perhaps someone might respond to my question of ,should ALL pro sport’s commissioners, owners etc be indicted either legally or morally for some form of PEDS use which many believe they’ve countenanced over the last 50 years?

    The media and blogs would have a feast on that announcement.

    Then again who is so above reproach to lead the parade?

    I’d day Bud is the perfect spokesperson to detect cheating, after all he was an auto dealer and has long experience on the subject!

    Arod, get thee to a monastery……just not too close to the nunnery! ;)

  174. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    With Arod we needed to get down to 177 in order to hit 189.

    Add 25 M and the Yankees can go to 202:

    Brett Gardner-CF (4.5 M)
    Derek Jeter-SS (15.5 M)
    Robinson Cano-2B (25 M)
    Alfonso Soriano-DH (5 M)
    Mark Teixeira-1B (22.5 M)
    Ichiro Suzuki-RF (6.5 M)

    JR Murphy-C (.5)
    Vernon Wells-OF (0.00)
    Eduardo Nunez-SS (.5)

    CC Sabathia (23)
    Ivan Nova (.6)
    Michael Pineda (.5)
    David Phelps (.5)

    David Robertson (5 M)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Preston Claiborne (.5)
    Shawn Kelley (4 M)
    Vidal Nuno (.5)
    Adam Warren (.5)

    Total = ~116 M
    202 – 116 = 86 M

    86 M for

    3B – Headley or Prado or Sandoval?
    C – McCann or Navarro?
    OF – Granderson or Choo or Ellsbury or Nelson Cruz or Pence?
    #2 Starter – Kuroda or Garza or Ervin Santana or Lincecum?
    bench player – Michael Young?
    late inning reliever – Madson or Marmol or O’Flaherty?

  175. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Panda’s bat in our park would be pretty awesome. I’m just not willing to give the farm jewels up for him.

  176. Shame Spencer July 30th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    If they were willing to extend or retain Pence I could see why they’d go after him.. I actually would love it if they signed him to a deal once he becomes an FA. Like his bat better than Choo’s, personally.

    JAP – Understood. I think this is a good example of a player’s reputation helping him out, though. And I understand why, as he’s always had an impeccable record. These things are just interesting to consider.

  177. 86w183 July 30th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Donnybrook —-

    You’ve been “Jonesing” for Morneau for a while but I haven’t seen your idea of a legit price you are willing to pay to rent him for the rest of the year.

    What is that offer?

    Do you realize Lyle Overbay has a higher slugging percentage (.421 to .396) and more HR (11 to 8) than Morneau? I agree he’s an upgrade, but should not be the highest priority.

  178. NYYROC July 30th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Todd Frazier, Cinn. 1B, 3B, OF. RHB. Still young and under team control. Not great but he is the type of player Cashman seems to trade for these days. Solid contributor types.

  179. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I doubt it, also, that the Giants would move Panda. He’s signed through next year, he’s what 27 years old. Can’t see it.

  180. 86w183 July 30th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Jesus —-

    You skipped too many math classes my friend.

    The Yanks have to get down to no more than $ 177 M in total salaries to by at/under the luxury tax level.

    If Alex is eligible he takes up $ 27.5 M of that amount. Is he is suspended for the entire year he only takes up $ 2.5 M.

    His suspension does free up $ 25 M, but it doesn’t mean the Yanks can spend $ 25 M over the luxury tax level and accomplish the goal of not paying that tax.

  181. UpState July 30th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    NYYROC July 30th, 2013 at 11:42 am
    Todd Frazier, Cinn. 1B, 3B, OF. RHB. Still young and under team control. Not great but he is the type of player Cashman seems to trade for these days. Solid contributor types.
    =====================================

    Yes – nice 27 YO pick-up…

    However – what to give the Reds ?

    Reds lose their starting 3B – who do they backfill with ???

  182. Your Worst Nightmare July 30th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Mr. Com ……………. u the same guy who used to post at TDN NYY blog ?

  183. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    86,

    The 25 M must be subtracted from the 177.

    So the amount available is 86 M.

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Shame, they are interesting, and I do appreciate the light shining on someone’s humanity that these bad times afford us a glimpse at, as this situation for Tino has on him.

  185. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Shame/Pru, so the logic is you both like Tino but his conduct was unprofessional?

    But maybe he can hook up with another organization that doesn’t have a problem with his old fashioned ways and won’t mind his twisting a few ears?

    MMA perhaps? See, no matter what the topic is at some point it descends into guffaws, yuks and general comedy! ;)

    I’ll bet that Tino is a great parent ,administering a mild form of corporal punishment when the kinder get obstreperous! ;)

  186. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I’ll bet that Tino is a great parent ,administering a mild form of corporal punishment when the kinder get obstreperous! ;)
    ///
    That’s a bit of an assumption and a big leap, don’t you think?

  187. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I see it now.

    73 M is the total available.

  188. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    JAP, you’re doing it again, channeling your inner Billy Graham! ;)

  189. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    I think you have me confused with the board fundamentalists, dude.

  190. UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    When are we all gathering at the Gallows for the AL hanging? :roll:

    A-Mac – If AL comes back and contributes people will be going wild for him. That’s why all this high and mighty B.S. is so comical. Whateves… Like I have said before, I guess I don’t think I am perfect enough to judge anyone so I’m not going to be at the Gallows with spit and saliva dripping from my chin, chanting like a complete idiot.

    Hey YF and JAP – Great game you saw on Sun. I told you it would be. Jeter is freaking amazing. I just have so much admiration for him. And Soriano was awesome too. This team is starting to be must see T.V. again. Definitely needed some more offense. The old Band-aid Brigade was never going to get it done anymore by themselves. Get me a win tonight and Kuroda will match Kershaw tomorrow.

  191. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    JAP, What time are the services and how many collections do you have?

    Were you ever a Chaplain? ;)

  192. delvec19 July 30th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    What’s the best Yankee message board?

  193. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Unknown, it was, indeed. I wouldn’t have missed it for the world. I was also at the 3000 hit game and many other Jeet big moments; nothing he does surprises me. And the Matsui lovefest, I also would not have missed for anything. It was like old times.

    As for Alex, they haven’t carted him off yet:

    Ken Davidoff ?KenDavidoff 31m
    A-Rod taking grounder at #Yankees’ complex. pic.twitter.com/HW6herKfkp

  194. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Unknown! :D

    Dude you were prophetic, the game was like old times in the Bronx.

    Jete is remarkable. He’s the opposite of what blake calls “fake hustle” lol. Sori had a nice game too, seeing Matsui was inspirational (Ichiro’s day was almost lost in all of that).

    Nice to see so many Japanese baseball fans at the park, as well. Felt like we were in Japan.

  195. Jesus Bustero July 30th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    177 – 116 M = 61 M for:

    3B – Headley or Prado or Sandoval?
    C – McCann or Navarro?
    OF – Granderson or Choo or Ellsbury or Nelson Cruz or Pence?
    #2 Starter – Kuroda or Garza or Ervin Santana or Lincecum?
    bench player – Michael Young?
    late inning reliever – Madson or Marmol or O’Flaherty?

    Let’s just select the best player from each group and see if we stay under 61 M…

    Estimate

    Sandoval makes 6 M
    McCann estimate is 15 M
    Choo estimate is 15 M
    Kuroda estimate is 15 M
    Young estimate is 4.5 M
    O’Flaherty estimate is 5.5 M

    That’s 61 M

  196. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Unknown, never serve on a jury if you haven’t already.

    Perhaps you might be excused as a conscientious objector…….. to facts?

    I saw a bumper sticker about Arod’s conduct, it said “What would Jeter do”?

  197. UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Lucky YF, I’m jealous. Glad you enjoyed it. :grin:

  198. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Hey comnsnse, I’m not even a Christian. Now drop the religious BS.

  199. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    WTP, I set my sched around the Yanks, so though it will be a late night week for me, I kind of appreciate having a window from 7PM-10PM to do other things which I normally don’t do because of the Yankee games. Regardless of hour, I will be watching every minute or every game, but my sched will be turned upside because of it. Not that I am complaining. Just win, baby.

  200. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    *of every game, should read.

  201. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Unknown, I did except Hughes could have been better, but I wore my Hughes jersey proudly, hoping it wouldn’t be the last time I see him pitch as a Yankee, and I will continue to wear the jersey.

  202. UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Pruf- Well said about Ichiro. What a great game by him as well. Top notch day for the Yankees.

    I’m just waiting for the official news to come out about Alex and if he is going to play next week in Chicago, I’m going. I wouldn’t miss it. BTW, great posts lately.

  203. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    JAP, keep going and touch all those universal bases of love!

    You may be the reincarnation of the Buddha!

    I love when you sermonize with those Cumbaya like spiritual declarations, very moving! ;)

  204. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Yeah, Sori getting into the act too was like old times; you just can’t help but have feelings for the guy. Loved too when the Creatures chanted Matsui, but the crowd was a little too mellow and didn’t really pick up the chant like OYS would have. Also they did do the wave; that was depressing, but otherwise I had a blast; great seeing DRob and Mo beast, and the walk off, well… there is nothing like a walk off win.

  205. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Oops, forgot to mention Ichiro. Great day for him, and the Japanese contingent was out in full force with a ton of signs in Japanese for Matsui. I took a ton of pictures of the signs. Then we went to the Japanese marketplace in Edgewater afterwards. Just a really nice day and a great way to end the homestand.

  206. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Unknown, I hope you get to see Alex, but doesn’t sound promising.

  207. yankeefeminista July 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 11:58 am
    Lucky YF, I’m jealous. Glad you enjoyed it.
    ___________
    Unknown, well I did offer to pick you up at the airport…

  208. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Unknown, yankeefem is right, you need to make a trip east. Maybe one day you can come out here when luis is in town. That would be cool.

  209. comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    JAP, who cares what denomination you are?

    That post was directed to Unknown from the Unknown.

    But speaking of denominations, are you still on the $5 bill? ;)

  210. 4 NYY July 30th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Although I haven’t been posting much lately, I follow along here often.

    Trish, Jesus Bustero, comnsnse, and a few others are right on the money about most everything being talked about ! IMO

    Keep up the good work people !

  211. UnKnown July 30th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Yeah thanks for the offer. I’m probably going to take you up on that one day. That would be so awesome. I’ve never been to the new place. The old one was awesome though, I will never forget it. You two are great fans, hang in there YF and Pruf.

  212. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    JAP, who cares what denomination you are?

    That post was directed to Unknown from the Unknown.
    ///

    No, you addressed me as “Billy Graham” and as a “Chaplain”.

    I answer to “JAP”, Unknown does not.

    And the indifference, believe me, is mutual.

  213. J. Alfred Prufrock July 30th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    You bet, Unknown. We survived Celerino Sanchez- Horace Clark years, we’ll get through this!

  214. blake July 30th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    If the Yankees could add Pence and get Granderson back…and Jeter stays healthy …..then all the sudden you have something that resembles a real lineup.

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