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Biogenesis suspensions could come Friday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Welcome to Trade Deadline Day, but we’ll start with the latest in the Biogenesis situation. The Daily News reports that Major League Baseball has informed the Players Association of its plans to suspend Alex Rodriguez and eight others. According to the report, not all connected to Biogenesis will be suspended because the league didn’t have enough evidence on everyone. Yahoo! says the vast majority of players suspended will accept the suspensions without appeal. The Associated Press says suspensions could be announced on Friday. Here’s the AP…

Alex RodriguezNEW YORK (AP) — Friday could be D-day for Major League Baseball’s drug investigation.

Deliberations over suspensions in the Biogenesis case could stretch out for the rest of this week and delay announcements, two people familiar with the talks said Tuesday.

It appeared several of the dozen or so targeted players were likely to reach agreements on their penalties and avoid grievance hearings, one of the people said Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity because no statements were authorized.

Both said MLB hopes to announce the penalties for all players involved at the same time.

Three-time MVP Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees and four 2013 All-Stars — Texas outfielder Nelson Cruz, San Diego shortstop Everth Cabrera, Detroit shortstop Jhonny Peralta and Oakland pitcher Bartolo Colon — are among the players who have been linked in media reports to Biogenesis. The closed Florida anti-aging clinic was accused by Miami New Times in January of distributing banned performing-enhancing drugs, sparking MLB’s investigation.

Others linked in media reports include Toronto outfielder Melky Cabrera, Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli, San Diego catcher Yasmani Grandal and Seattle catcher Jesus Montero.

Melky Cabrera, the 2012 All-Star game MVP while with San Francisco, served a 50-game suspension last year for elevated testosterone, as did Grandal and Colon, the 2005 AL Cy Young Award winner.

Players who don’t reach agreements can ask the players’ association to file grievances, which would lead to hearings before arbitrator Fredric Horowitz. Discipline for first offenders under the drug agreement usually is not announced until after the penalty is upheld, but there is an exception when the conduct leading to the discipline already has been made public.

In addition, MLB may try to suspend Rodriguez under its collective bargaining agreement instead of its drug rules, which would lead to the suspension starting before the appeal.

Milwaukee outfielder Ryan Braun was the first player to reach an agreement with MLB. The 2011 NL MVP accepted a season-ending 65-game suspension last week. Braun tested positive for elevated testosterone in October 2011 but a 50-game suspension was overturned the following February by an arbitrator who ruled Braun’s urine sample was handled improperly.

Rodriguez appears at risk for the harshest penalty. The Yankees are expecting him to be accused of recruiting other athletes for the clinic, attempting to obstruct MLB’s investigation, and not being truthful with MLB in the past when he discussed his relationship with Dr. Anthony Galea, who pleaded guilty two years ago to a federal charge of bringing unapproved drugs into the United States from Canada.

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128 Responses to “Biogenesis suspensions could come Friday”

  1. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 8:06 am

    MTU,

    That is great. We always thought you had a good heart around here. Now, get yourself up and get ready to hike. No excuses my friend.

    What should they do today? I bet they sell Joba for your false test results and do nothing else.

  2. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:09 am

    MTU,

    false positives do happen….I’m glad it happened to you bud…..well I wish it had been negativve to start with but I’m glad nothing was wrong ;)

  3. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 8:12 am

    It is depressing to read the Red Sox can make deals because they have money and prospects. The New York Yankees apparently have neither. I try to be fair, but how can they have no highly rated prospects and why is no one responsible replaced? Or all of them?

  4. Melkmanisinhotlanta July 31st, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Aroid sure has made a mess of things. The evidence against him is going to end his career, and make him look like a laughing stock just like a good democrat running for NYC mayor!!!!!! Go team!!!!!

  5. Melkmanisinhotlanta July 31st, 2013 at 8:17 am

    We all wonder if Aroid took Jesus under his wing? Did he as they took a drive to the clinic?

  6. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Have to go.

    MTU-

    Again that was great news. You deserve it!

    Until later.

  7. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Mac-

    As soon as the hole in my arm closes sufficiently I will indeed begin again.

    What should we do ?

    It would appear most of what we have to offer does not interest many clubs.

    :(

  8. pat July 31st, 2013 at 8:23 am

    “………..on Tuesday, Michael Weiner, the head of the players association, expressed skepticism that Selig would take such unusual action against any player connected to the current drug investigation.

    “I do not expect that to be invoked,” he said………………….

    Weiner, on Tuesday, cited a letter Selig sent to him as part of the most recent collective bargaining agreement, the same type of letter that has been sent to the union in the past.

    “I understand that the Players Association has expressed concern that the Commissioner might take some action pursuant to Article XI(A)(1)(b) of the Basic Agreement, which could negate rights of Players under the new Basic Agreement,” the letter states. “While I have difficulty seeing that this is a real problem, I am quite willing to assure the Association that the Commissioner will take no such action.”

    If Selig did invoke the clause, it would most likely result in a legal battle over its meaning, legal experts say, based on the historical context and whether it pertains only to gambling, or to all matters potentially detrimental to the game. ………………..”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07......html?_r=0

  9. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Blake-

    The Doc said about 10% of the time.

    I found the whole procedure interesting and painless.

    And I gained valuable info from it.

    The only part that really sucks is that it will drain our bank account a bit more which isn’t so good.

  10. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Three lucid thoughts before I go back to my irreverent blabber:

    1. I can understand why the sox would want peavy but he won’t put them over the top. They will deeply regret moving Julio iglesias

    2. The stumble out of the second half gate was unavoidable given the competition but it may have prompted the funeral director to start building the coffin

    3. With everything that’s happened this year, who would have thought that Musty’s injury (and disappearance) would be the most painful one?

  11. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    I’d expect something will get done today.

    Just no idea what.

    I’d like to see them move Joba, Hughes, etc. to get us something we can use for the future.

    Interest seems low so who knows.

    We cannot keep up with the pack without more.

    So either it will materialize or it won’t.

    I hope it does. Don’t particularly want to watch use slide off the cliff.

  12. fantasygame101 July 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    the team ahead of the Yankees got better and the Yankees are doing nothing. Normally, it is the other way around. Our GM can not even get anything out of joba.

  13. pat July 31st, 2013 at 8:32 am

    MTU
    Congrats on your good results. Peace of mind is priceless.

  14. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    sp: us not use.

  15. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Hal made trade Cashman for a womanizer to be named later

  16. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 8:35 am

    One thing about MTU is that he has sure gotten a lot of us to daydream about moving to Utah

  17. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:38 am

    “1. I can understand why the sox would want peavy but he won’t put them over the top.”

    I don’t think it’s meant to put them over the top. They had a hole, and they filled it with a guy better than the back of their rotation. They got a good deal, and sold high on a player who was never going to live up to the billing they gave him. The never-minded the money, and got better, and didn’t have to give up any of their prospects to get him.
    The simple part of it is just that – simple
    Peavey > Dempster or Dubront, and on any given day, can be magnificent.
    It was a no brainer in my opinion.

  18. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    …unless you’re assuming that Jake Peavey just gets trounced the rest of the year and doesn’t pitch better than what they expect him to.
    They have the parts to be over the top now. He just helps.

  19. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:40 am

    And why are Joba and Hughes still on this team right now?? Are you telling me that the A’s wanted that deal more than a Hughes deal?? Come on, Cashman.

  20. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Buster Olney ?@Buster_ESPN 33m
    The NYY are 3 1/2 games out of the wildcard but in fourth place in AL East, which means Brian Cashman will be waiver gatekeeper in August.

  21. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Pat-

    Thank you for kind words.

    I have never taken my health for granted and I hope no else does either.

    It’s our most precious commodity. I am very grateful for the reprieve.

    :)

  22. fantasygame101 July 31st, 2013 at 8:41 am

    If nothing is going to happen, why not try konerko. At least there is hope that a change in scenery will make him productive.

  23. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Peavy makes Boston better….there is no sugar coating it.

    The Dodgers bailed them out last year and it’s given them a ton of flexibility to do things to make their club better……that move took stones from a new GM in Cherington and it’s paid off in spades. Even if the Dodgers came along and offered something like that to the Yankees…..I kinda doubt they would have had the guts to do it.

  24. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Blake-

    Waiting till august assures failure.

    That will be too late for any playoff spot.

    All the other WC teams are strengthening themselves now.

    There is no time to lose.

  25. Doreen July 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    MTU

    Glad to hear you got a clean bill of health.

  26. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:45 am

    The mark of a smart man is taking advantage of the situation presented to him – if even the short term is less gratifying than the long term.

    Not waiting to see who gets tossed in the dumpster…

  27. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Nah-

    Peavy has jumped the shark and the sox ss carousel will continue into the roaring ’20s

  28. fantasygame101 July 31st, 2013 at 8:45 am

    so far, the best move is Soriano and it did not came from our highly regarded gm. Oh I forgot, It was ishikawa acquisition that is the telling acquisition.

  29. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:46 am

    all the good vibes from Jeter’s return and the salvaging of the 1 game against Tampa are gone this morning……such is life with mediocre teams…..they’ll win a game every now and then and fans think….oh they are turning it around! The problem is that the worst teams win 60+ times a year in baseball…….winning a game changes nothing about the problems with this team.

    They are very lucky to only be 3.5 games out of a playoff spot and had the rules not changed last year they’d be about 7 games out of the WC right now……that 2nd WC gives bad teams hope…..and in the 2013 Yankees case it’s probably going to prevent them from doing what needs to be done.

  30. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:46 am

    the term “waiver wire gatekeeper” is very depressing.

  31. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Peavy has jumped the shark and the sox ss carousel will continue into the roaring ’20s

    They do have the best rated SS in baseball in their system right now. Not sure if you saw that or not.

  32. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:48 am

    “so far, the best move is Soriano and it did not came from our highly regarded gm. Oh I forgot, It was ishikawa acquisition that is the telling acquisition.”

    If I had to guess…..Cashman didn’t recommend signing Soriano because he knew he wouldn’t put them over the top and knew that they should probably sell and start building for next year.

    This is the problem with the Yankees right now……they can’t admit who they are to themselves…..either that or they know who they are and they care more about selling tickets in the present than they do about trying to get good again.

  33. Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 8:48 am

    the term “waiver wire gatekeeper” is very depressing.

    ———————–
    yep ,,, more dumpster diving

  34. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:48 am

    *one of the

  35. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:49 am

    “They do have the best rated SS in baseball in their system right now. Not sure if you saw that or not.”

    Xavier is a beast…..he’s probably a 3B long term but he can mash….I was so hoping they’d trade him for Cliff Lee or something.

  36. djsunyc July 31st, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Jesus Montero’s batting average plummeted, he received a demotion to Triple-A Tacoma, was told to change from a position he has always loved and then, to top it off, he tore the meniscus in his left knee.

    It’s been a challenging year for Montero, who now wears the uniform of the Tacoma Rainiers and not the Seattle Mariners.

    Montero hasn’t played a game at catcher for the Rainiers since returning from the disabled list on July 18. He has shifted between first base and designated hitter (he made an error at first base for the Rainiers that led to the winning run in the bottom of the ninth inning Monday in Reno), though it’s unclear whether catching is completely out of the question.

    “We all liked his bat and we thought this guy has a chance to be a really good offensive player,” Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik said about Montero, who slugged four homers in his first 18 games with the Yankees.

    “We were willing to take the chance to let him work behind the plate to do that. I think we got the point where it was time to make this move and to put him in the best position to make him a successful offensive player.”

  37. fantasygame101 July 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am

    waiver wire is the specialty of cashman. That is where he found ishikawa. Man, I still can not understand that move up to now.

  38. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am

    hassey-

    What occurred yesterday was another example of why I love living here so much.

    From the time I received the report that my 1st result was abnormal till the time I was in an operating room being checked was about a day.

    Remember I was asymptomatic. Try that in most places.

    In addition, the attending Physician pulled a Matsui and actually was nice enough to come over an apologize for the “false positive”.

    It wasn’t even his fault. They just happen about 10% of the time.

    All part of the great quality of life here IMO.

    The people are just incredibly nice, decent, and caring.

  39. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Thanks Doreen.

    Definitely relieved and pleasantly surprised.

    :)

  40. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Xavier is a beast…..he’s probably a 3B long term but he can mash….I was so hoping they’d trade him for Cliff Lee or something.

    I read that yesterday as well. He’s big like ARod, so you’re probably right. I would imagine they’ll keep him as SS for now – maybe for as long as he’s productive, since they said his footwork is a little slow at third and that takes time to develop.
    Also saw that he’s been clocked at 86mph from SS to first. That’s impressive.

    Either way – they’re hardly in need at the position, and they sold high. That’s what should happen when it’s glaringly obvious a guy is over-performing.

  41. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Ehh

    Unless a guy is a cant miss monster like trout or Myers, minor league ratings mean squat

    See: montero, jesus

  42. NYYROC July 31st, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Blake, not sure, but I could swear I remember hearing that last year, before the RS trade, the LAD asked Cashman for CC & Tex.

  43. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 8:56 am

    have to agree Peavy makes them better…they slot him in and that would let them move one of the kids in the rotation into the pen

  44. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Ehh

    Unless a guy is a cant miss monster like trout or Myers, minor league ratings mean squat

    He is. He’s also 20 in AAA and probably called up this week. With more natural power than Trout or Meyers. Combined.

    Look it up yourself.

  45. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    I don’t buy the theory Cashman opposed the Alfonso Soriano move because he wanted to sell. The team was hovering around the WC. He knows it’s his job to improve the club. He probably opposed the move because he’s stressed about 189 and doesn’t want to add a player that costs any money in 2014.

  46. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am

    The Yankees can’t force teams to trade with them.

    I’m sure they have been burning up the airwaves.

    It might come right down to the last moments.

    Or it’s possible that match just could not be found other than Soriano.

    They definitely need to add though so if nothing happens it will be unfortunate.

  47. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Just for the record.

    I think the guy’s name is “Xander” not “Xavier”.

  48. fantasygame101 July 31st, 2013 at 9:02 am

    the minor league numbers are just guideline on how a player will play in the majors. A ton of top prospect turns out to be suspect when they are in the majors. The scouts are better (Yankees?), the game speed is different, the pitcher and hitters are better (Yankees?). Example are cano and melky. Melky was suppose to be better than cano coming up.

  49. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Tonight’s pitching matchup has plenty of drama to it.

    And presents as a classic pitcher’s duel.

  50. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I do buy into the theory that Cash often gets overruled often on moves he wants or doesn’t want to make

  51. bruceb July 31st, 2013 at 9:04 am

    MTU

    So glad to hear you will be around to share your wisdom with us for many years to come. Always good to wake up to your posts. ????

  52. blake July 31st, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Iglesias was an overpay for Peavy….but honestly the move makes sense for Detroit who is about winning now. Their GM is no dummy……he knows that he can’t hit but he also knows the makeup of their team and knows that plus defense at SS is probably all they need there.

    It was a trade that made some sense for all involved.

  53. bruceb July 31st, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Please ignore the question marks. Sent with my ithumbs!

  54. hardwired7 July 31st, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Every time I read ‘Yankees’ and ‘playoffs’ in the same sentence, I automatically think of that Jim Mora rant.

  55. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Iglesias was an overpay for Peavy

    No way am I buying this. Iglesias has been a bust for three years now – he had a hot two months and the Sox took advantage of that. I mean Drew would have been an overpay, but not Iglesias.

  56. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Thanks Bruce. Very kind.

    A smart man knows he/she really knows very little. The more you think you know the less you probably do.

    How are things going with your search ?

  57. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    I do buy into the theory that Cash often gets overruled often on moves he wants or doesn’t want to make

    I don’t know how you can’t buy it, since every single time it’s not his decision, he runs to the press to let it be known that he was overruled.

  58. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:09 am

    If there is a team out there that can sacrifice a little on offense to gain a lot on defense, it’s Detroit. This move was a no brainer for them, since Iglesias can now cover five yards of ground that Miggy can’t get to.
    Both of those playoff teams got better.

    Thank god for Soriano. Whew.

  59. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Iglesias was an overpay for Peavy

    No way am I buying this. Iglesias has been a bust for three years now – he had a hot two months and the Sox took advantage of that. I mean Drew would have been an overpay, but not Iglesias.
    ———————————-
    not buying it either…Iglesias is a OK player but give me a good vet SP come into playoff time any day

  60. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:12 am

    the minor league numbers are just guideline on how a player will play in the majors. A ton of top prospect turns out to be suspect when they are in the majors. The scouts are better (Yankees?), the game speed is different, the pitcher and hitters are better (Yankees?). Example are cano and melky. Melky was suppose to be better than cano coming up.

    Here’s what I know.
    In the past ten years, that system has produced Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, Papelbon, Ellsbury, and a host of others that are in the big leagues now. All while winning two WS and being in three of four ALCS.
    They currently have a about seven good to great prospects in their system, including Boegarts, who they could move for ANYONE in baseball right now. They dont’ have a top three payroll, and they have on the of the best records in baseball.

    I’m not gonna sit here and pretend none of that matters. Poo-poo any of those facts you’d like, but that doesn’t change them.

    I’m so tired of this front office.

  61. blake July 31st, 2013 at 9:13 am

    “I do buy into the theory that Cash often gets overruled often on moves he wants or doesn’t want to make”

    I think he probably does a lot……and that makes it very difficult for him to carry out any sort of vision for the team.

    People get on Cash a lot but he’s really in a difficult spot……he has had a lot of money to work with but he also can’t operate the way other GMs do and more and more today in the game you can’t always buy what you need with money.

    This false hustle stuff that Hal does every year gets on my nerves……he’ll say no continually to adding money for real players but approve short term stuff for old spare parts just as a message to the fans the “we care”…….they don’t fool me……they leak out this stuff about wanting to win so they push to add Soriano……problem is that it’s too late most likely and now you’re wasting an opportunity to trade expiring contracts that you’re not going to retain for young players….

    The Yankees are operating in a manner now that is going to lead to several years of mediocrity…..they can change the future still but only if they get real about the situation they are in and do something to fix it.

  62. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:15 am

    When is the last trade deadline when fans of other teams spent their time talking about our moves and not the other way around?

    I honestly feel inactivity of this magnitude and frequency really reflects how poorly constructed the team is.

    We are a destination for short term salary dumps.

    Can you believe we traded away the ace of the best team in baseball for Diego Moreno?

  63. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    The Yankees are operating in a manner now that is going to lead to several years of mediocrity…..they can change the future still but only if they get real about the situation they are in and do something to fix it.

    I one million percent agree. I also don’t buy the “can’t operate like a normal Gm” stuff, Blake. NY isn’t the only big market, bud. They got themselves into this mess by ignoring the system, trading players for older, proven players, and spending so much money that it just created a huge elephant in the room. Too many contracts haven’t worked out and too many issues around ARod and Tex and everyone else.
    They need to admit what they are – sell what can be sold and get what can be get and move one.
    Nevermind the retirement tours of 40 year olds – the Yankees don’t owe them anything.

  64. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Buster-

    09

  65. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, Papelbon, Ellsbury.

    Don’t forget Justin Masterson.

  66. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    *move on, I mean.

  67. coney1 July 31st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....F6JKc628kI

    Seriously, a minor move? This team needs upgrades at catcher and 3b at least. Along with some bench depth (primarily a right-handed 1b). If they were only going to make minimal impact moves, they would have been better off tossing in the towel and selling (Cano, CC, Robertson, Gardner, Kuroda, etc) and getting pieces to help them build towards the future. If they want to go for it this one last time, then they need to upgrade at each of these positions with the best player that is available for those positions. If they are only going to make Casey McGhee-type moves, it’s not worth it. Those types of moves aren’t going to get them out of this offensive hole they have dug.

  68. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Yanks should make a pitch for Kendrick with the idea of letting Cano walk after the season

  69. 4TrainNorth July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Again, with the exception of Braun, all Latin-American players. Get it together, hombres.

  70. jacksquat July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    blake July 31st, 2013 at 7:24 am
    “Pinch hit for Nix with who? Their best hitter on the bench was Vernon Wells.”

    Exactly….Girardi has no options. Honestly they were lucky they only lost by 1……the dodgers are way better than them

    Wells hit .290 in July. He’s a better option than Nix who hasn’t played for weeks.

  71. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, Papelbon, Ellsbury.

    Don’t forget Justin Masterson.

    I’m sure there are several I’m forgetting, but that misses the point.
    Reddick, Murphy, Rizzo, ect.
    They know what they’re doing there, and for every single move like that they can make, it just adds emphasis that we can’t. Our best prospect is two or three years away from anything.
    It’s all very, very annoying.

  72. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Pitchers

    Papelbon
    Buchholz
    Lester
    Masterson
    Doubront

    Position players

    Pedroia
    Ellsbury
    Reddick
    Murphy
    Lowrie
    Rizzo

  73. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I’d love to get Kendrick but I don’t see it happening.

    We don’t have the chips.

    Why would the halos let him go ?

  74. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Even the kid who pitched last night for them. I’m just getting fired up now.

    He has started three games, gone six innings, and not given up more than two runs.

    Every need they’ve had this year has been met by call ups and smart moves from their system.

    They need a starter? No problem, we’ll let some jackbag named Workman pitch three or four games and look great until we can move garbage for Jake Peavey and put that kid in the bullpen.
    Need a third baseman? No problem, lets call up x or Y.
    SS – no problem.
    OF – no problem, we’ll move some kid named Nava there or call up our top OF prospect.

    Us? Oh, hello 26 year old David Adams and 99 year old Vernon Wells and a washed up Ichiro and 40 year old Soriano.

    I hate the trade deadline nowadays.

  75. blake July 31st, 2013 at 9:27 am

    “I one million percent agree. I also don’t buy the “can’t operate like a normal Gm” stuff, Blake.”

    He can’t though……pretty much every other team in baseball would be looking to sell right now if they had the Yankees roster……The Yankees are buying Soriano and trying to sell it to their fanbase and making a difference……

  76. blake July 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    “Wells hit .290 in July. He’s a better option than Nix who hasn’t played for weeks.”

    Wells isn’t a “baseball player” though…..

  77. blake July 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 3m
    Source: #Cubs expect to move either DeJesus or Schierholtz. DeJesus might be more likely; Schierholtz fits vs. RHPs in ’14. #Pirates on both

  78. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Pitchers

    Papelbon
    Buchholz
    Lester
    Masterson
    Doubront

    Position players

    Pedroia
    Ellsbury
    Reddick
    Murphy
    Lowrie
    Rizzo

    We might as well not leave off Lavarnaway and Middlebrooks.. Just because they’re slumping doesn’t mean they didn’t produce them. Middlebrooks is still a young, controlled, top talent infielder who’s just in a funk for whatever reason.
    If Boegarts and Middlebrooks both break, they’re going to have a very, very sick infield.

    It’s all very, very annoying.
    Who controls this aspect of the Yankee system? How are they not accountable?

  79. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am

    MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am
    I’d love to get Kendrick but I don’t see it happening.

    We don’t have the chips.

    Why would the halos let him go ?

    _______________________________________

    Its being reported that the Angels have made him available. Now they got top prospect Grant Green from the A’s in the Callapso trade so they have their 2nd baseman of the furutre

  80. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:31 am

    e can’t though……pretty much every other team in baseball would be looking to sell right now if they had the Yankees roster

    Oh. Gotcha. Yeah, every other team would sell.

    Instead, we’ll keep getting the retirement tour for Grandpa Pettite and the like. It’s sickening.

    I really, really hope CC turns it around. And I hope Karoda stays, but then again, I’m almost to the point that I say – hey, why chance that going bad too. Take what you can, and run.
    Trade him NOW – along with the rest of these bums, and pinkhat Jersey girl fans can fall of the wagon if they wish. The real fans will still be here when it all develops again.

  81. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Great.

    What would you offer that you think they might want ?

    Kendrick is a dynamite ballplayer.

    I wonder if he could handle 3b ?

  82. MG July 31st, 2013 at 9:32 am

    MTU, that’s good news, I’m sure this has been on your mind for awhile.

    Next year it will cost you less to have those procedures done courtesy of your friends at CMS (Center for Medicare Services), one of the few benefits of reaching the ripe old age of 65 :)

    As for the Yankees-tough loss last night, no reason to give up on the season (yet), ask me again on September 1st.

  83. NYYROC July 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Wonder if Cashman is practicing his, “Couldn’t make a move because it was a tough market” speech? Or maybe he’ll blame Hal.
    George had his faults but he (and his regime, ie. Stick) weren’t afraid to make moves. The current group seems paralyzed, not just now at the TD, but for the last couple of years. We saw an aging team, guys approaching FA. It was a good time to turn over the roster, The NYY just basically sat there. Coulda traded PH & Joba while they still had value. Phil’s FB/HR in YS problem didn’t sneak up on them. He could’ve been traded for value. Swisher and Grandy were left to hit FA, for what, nothing. And yes I consider draft NYY draft picks nothing considering how poorly the farm has produced.
    Georeg used to have a plaque on his desk that said something like “Lead, follow or get out of the way”. Hal needs to dig that out of his attic.

  84. ron July 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Losing Iglesias is no big deal.Getting peavey is also no big deal,but fills a hole.
    The rs have been smart,and we need to take a look at how they are doing things.
    They draft right where we do,but seem to produce helpful players recently,not so much us.
    I would not give up on the season,but i’d trade cano,kuroda,maybe Robertson,and nova,granderson.
    Closers are very hard to guage,and that’s what Robertson will be,so if he gets me a prospect that a setup guy,or closer has no business getting me,he’s gone.
    I’d be very hesitant to trade nova.Just a gut feeling,but hughes,joba,gone.

    We see it all the time.Teams turning it around in a matter of a few moves,when nobody can see it coming,like the rs unloading their bad contracts last year,and going from last,to 1st.
    Very risky for the Yankees to blow it up,but I think cano,kuroda,granderson,robertson,etc.,sets us up nice going forward,especially with at least 30 million,or so in savings from arods suspention,and it prevents another big contract with cano gone.
    Cano will be 31 yrs old,after this season.
    If he was younger,i’d say no way.
    I think,if we can trade for a Kendrick to play 2b,then trade kuroda,and cano,others,we can still compete.
    Maybe trade for a Kendrick to replace cano,keep kuroda,and trade cano,granderson,robertson,hughes,joba,and still compete,and at the same time,build for the future,and lower payroll.

  85. blake July 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “I wonder if he could handle 3b ?”

    probably…..and then he can play 2B when Cano leaves this sinking ship for LA next year.

  86. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    1B-Rizzo
    2B-Pedroia
    SS-Lowrie/Boegarts/Iglesias
    3B-Middlebrooks
    RF-Reddick
    CF-Ellsbury
    LF-Murphy
    C-Lavarnway

    Rotation

    Masterson
    Buchholz
    Lester
    Doubront

    Bullpen

    Papelbon
    Bard

  87. JobaTipsHisCap July 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    evidence, evidence.

  88. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    MG-

    Thanks.

    Yes. among many other things. That was a biggie though.

    I couldn’t wait to get my national parks pass for $10 when I turned 62.

    Yankees need to add O. What they have won’t be nearly enough IMO.

    They’re can afford to slide too much further out of the WC especially with their competitors
    improving.

  89. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Blake-

    Kendrick does not have a lot of power but he’s a good gap-to-gap type guy.

    Hits for avg. and has a decent glove.

    I’d love to add him. Didn’t check his contract though. If it’s multi year we can for get it unless the halos eat a lot.

    That would take a big prospect package. Not sure we have what they need.

    They probably would like some young cost-controlled pitching.

  90. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    1B-Rizzo
    2B-Pedroia
    SS-Lowrie/Boegarts/Iglesias
    3B-Middlebrooks
    RF-Reddick
    CF-Ellsbury
    LF-Murphy
    C-Lavarnway

    Rotation

    Masterson
    Buchholz
    Lester
    Doubront

    Bullpen

    Papelbon
    Bard

    This is crazy. Really.

    And we aren’t even talking about their system that still intact, that they have one of the best records in baseball, it took the Rays going 24-2 or something stupid to even CATCH them, and they’re still operating with disposable one or two year deals to guys that can hit and catch to fill roles until either their prospects are ready or something else comes along.

    Even if their prospects don’t’ pan out (for whatever weird reason, since it seems they know what the heck they’re doing) – they can move them for whatever they want in baseball.
    A package that includes the Red Sox top four prospects will net them any single player in the game right now. That’s crazy to me.

  91. blake July 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    “I’d love to add him. Didn’t check his contract though. If it’s multi year we can for get it unless the halos eat a lot.”

    he’s controlled through 2015…..makes roughly 10 million in 2014 and 2015.

  92. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Their big free agents are:

    Ortiz
    Lackey
    Victorino

    There is not a single bad contract on the books.

  93. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    That would take a big prospect package. Not sure we have what they need.

    They probably would like some young cost-controlled pitching.

    _____________________________________________

    Would hate to do it but would probably cost Nova, JRam and another arm or prospect

  94. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Would the Halos be at all interested in Hughes w a neg. window ?

    He almost certainly would sign an extension with them. It’s right near his home.

    We could add A good reliever like betances, or Claiborne.

    And maybe a guy like Warren.

    Try for Kendrick and Trumbo. Multi-player swap.

  95. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The problem is NYY has been transformed into a corporation that has drowned out baseball intellect and put Goldman Sachs people in charge and guys like Levine.

    The Red Sox system is working because the baseball people have autonomy.

  96. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The fact the Boston has called up Brock Holt, and not Xander Boegarts or Middlbrooks tells me that they’re getting Michael Young.

    They’re not gonna call up either one of those guys again, just to send them down or split time for Michael Young.

    Take that to the bank today.

  97. ron July 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    I just don’t see cashman,and co able to navigate the tough waters,and do the almost impossible and trade to still compete,and build for the future.
    My fear is,we fall too far out,and fail to take advantage of trading cano,kuroda,etc.,and next year,we are a mess.
    We need top prospects to anchor at least 3-4 positions,while curtailing bad contracts.
    Cano being extended for 5 years/125 million is ok.Cano getting 8/200 is insane.

  98. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    “There is not a single bad contract on the books.”

    This can only be said because Lackey had turned it around so dramatically. This time last year, his contract was an albatross to them .

    Then again, the term “albatross” is relative, given who we root for. They really lucked out on Lackey’s determination to get back to normal.

    I went to a Fund Raiser for Yale Hospital not long ago, and he was there. He has turned his entire life around.

  99. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Tackelberry-

    The Halos would need to eat a lot.

    Not sure I’d give those all those guys up for him.

    We could part with Hughes and warren or phelps.

    We should keep Nova.

    I try to sub a reliever or two and a lesser SP.

  100. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:49 am

    y fear is,we fall too far out,and fail to take advantage of trading cano,kuroda,etc.,and next year,we are a mess.

    Winner winnner!!!

  101. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 9:49 am

    As for the game, it baffles me why Girardi continues to run Stewart out there. They guy looks gassed. Hasn’t had a hit in about 3 weeks. Put Romine in there for a few games. The kid was starting to finally figure it out up there and he goes back to Stewart. Also, can’t stand Nix either. Did anyone have any faith that either Nix or Stewart was gonna come through there in the 7th inning after Ichito’s double?

  102. JobaTipsHisCap July 31st, 2013 at 9:49 am

    I guess Peavy will hit a Yankee batter in his first game (if not his first pitch) against yanks, just like all other sux pitchers have done.
    of course in order to remain classy, yanks will choose to stay quiet.

  103. bruceb July 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    MTU

    Little time to look right now; busy at work in the city and trying to get my house in saleable condition first. Will spend some real time looking when I take my vacation in September and October, but have a lot of places to research now ty.

  104. longtimefan July 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    The ineffectiveness of this organization and team go beyond the obivious. Who ever is evaluating and recommending the so called prospects and cast off pick-ups needs to go. Look around the league, there is not another team with the budget the yankees have with such poor
    selection and development of players. Basically this season is over, start to rebuild now, but with some new personnel that are not out of touch with the game today, can’t stand the Red Sox or the Rays but they seem to know what they are doing and the yankees do not.

  105. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:53 am

    LostNYY speculated the Yankees are trying to get the Angels to move an INF and mentioned Hughes + Gardner are in the deal. It’s probably a crock but do with it what you will…

    I don’t think that package is enough for Trumbo, Aybar or Kendrick.

    The Yankees would have to add a prospect.

    It’s still bunk.

  106. longtimefan July 31st, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 9:49 am
    As for the game, it baffles me why Girardi continues to run Stewart out there. They guy looks gassed. Hasn’t had a hit in about 3 weeks. Put Romine in there for a few games. The kid was starting to finally figure it out up there and he goes back to Stewart. Also, can’t stand Nix either. Did anyone have any faith that either Nix or Stewart was gonna come through there

    Agree sad state of affairs when you have to count on Nixie and Stewie

  107. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Bruce-

    Like I said earlier just let me know if I can be of further service.

    Wherever you wind up I wish you luck.

    Humans generally crave the the opposite of what they have been accustomed to when they are ready to make a change.

    At least that’s been my experience.

    If that’s true I’d expect to find you moving to a small town or city somewhere far away from the maddening crowd.

  108. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Rays will beat Boston this year. Jake Peavy will help, but not enough.

    Yankees should throw in the towel on this year. I agree they need a thorough reassessment of their minor league scouting and player development system. I’d keep Girardi. This looks more and more like 1964.

    Pay Cano. He deserves it.

    Jesus Montero on steroids–that deal is looking better and better for Cashman. I’d like to see Pineda called up in September to see what he has.

    Meanwhile, I’ll be sitting 4 rows behind home plate at PNC to see if the Pirates are for real. Not quite sure yet, but I’m getting there.

  109. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    LostNYY speculated the Yankees are trying to get the Angels to move an INF and mentioned Hughes + Gardner are in the deal. It’s probably a crock but do with it what you will…

    I don’t think that package is enough for Trumbo, Aybar or Kendrick.

    The Yankees would have to add a prospect.

    It’s still bunk.

    Agreed. Why would the Angels move one of the few contracts that aren’t hurting them to add a mediocre pitcher and an extra outfielder? Especially when that pitcher is going to walk at the end of the year. The Halos aren’t adding more money – they’re in a similar contract issue that we are right now.
    The only way that deal gets done is NY tosses in so much more than should be needed, and thus, starting the cirlce all over again.

  110. ron July 31st, 2013 at 9:59 am

    It is just so hard to punt on a season.
    It is just not in the Yankees dna.
    But if cashman,and co can pull off a miracle,the opportunity is there.
    Problem is,you do not wan’t a team full of prospects,and all of your star players gone.
    We’d be the marlins.
    You have to find a way to get a combination of players,and prospects to compete,this year,and next.
    Maybe try to trade cc,keep kuroda.
    Trade hughes,joba,granderson,who have not helped anyways.
    Or just trade kuroda,and replace him with nova,take our chances.
    Cano,nova,robertson,kuroda can turn this team around for many years,if traded.
    Makes no sense to trade nova.

  111. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Rays will beat Boston this year. Jake Peavy will help, but not enough

    The Red Sox have already won that season series, and I don’t think they’re just gonna roll over. Sooner or later, the Rays are going to come back to earth.
    It’s going to come down to which team the Orioles, Yankees, and Jays decide to roll over for.

    I’m hoping for Tampa.

  112. PittsburghYankeeFan July 31st, 2013 at 10:03 am

    I just don’t think Boston has the pitching to make it to the finish line, Peavy or not. I’m waiting for the annual Bucholtz injury to make its appearance.

  113. champ809 July 31st, 2013 at 10:03 am

    You guys are really exaggerating both the success of the major leaguers produced by the RedSox system and the value of their top prospects right now.

    Boegarts and Matt Barnes are legit from their prospects who’ve been in the system at least 2 years.

    Josh Reddick? His 1 good season last year was clearly an outlier and he’s since reverted back to Josh Reddick- bust as he’s hitting .215 with 5 HRs, an obp under .300 and slugging in the high .300′s as a corner OF’er.

    For as good a year as Masterson is having right now last year he was Phil Hughes like with 5.00 era.

    Bard i can’t believe you even included on this list….mind boggling

  114. sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Who give a rats noodle about adork anymore. Just be gone and be done with it.

    Season’s over folks. This team doesn’t have enough players or enough time to make it anywhere. I hate punting the season but this team really really blows. There’s no getting around the fact that – by some miracle – this team doesn’t have what it takes to get to or win the postseason… they suck. put simply… they just suck. Hughes sucks. CC sucks. 75% of this lineup sucks (Wells, “Stewie” Romine, Overplay, Lillybridges, “Nunie”, etc). Joba sucks. Cash sucks and Hal sucks. They cannot overcome the plethora of injuries, the circus of adork and the level of mediocrity that consumes the clubhouse. Sell sell sell. Bring up some kids and see what you got. Maybe up their value so the lesser prospects will have future trade value this winter.

  115. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:05 am

    aybe try to trade cc,keep kuroda.

    Really? That’s the cure? To trade a guy making 25M a year with a 90-91mph fastball and getting abused this year? I mean, I’m praying for a comeback of the big guy, but lets not go crazy.
    I think if NY put him on waivers, he’d make it through at this point.

    The answer is in the trades, to be sure, but what??
    Trade Cano, but you’re not going to get value, since whatever team trades for him is going ot have to give him 180M in a few months.
    Trade Robertson, but no reliever brings back their value.
    Trade Granderson, but who takes that risk on a guy after the injury and having not seem him play – nevermind the YS issue with Granderson.

    Punting is hard, but the DNA statement is bunk. Every team needs a start over here and there, and this absurd situation has made it more evident that ever.

  116. Shame Spencer July 31st, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Kuroda will have to deliver yet another Ace performance tonight.. I really hope we can pull one out for the K-man because the fact that we were so close yesterday only makes the loss sting more.

  117. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:06 am

    In order for the Yankees to keep pace with Boston they will have to hit on every single one of their high upside pitchers, like a whole rotation worth.

    Ivan Nova
    Michael Pineda
    Jose Ramirez
    Manny Bannuelos
    Phelps/Warren/Nuno/Campos/Clarkin

  118. blake July 31st, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “I just don’t think Boston has the pitching to make it to the finish line, Peavy or not. I’m waiting for the annual Bucholtz injury to make its appearance.”

    greatly will depend which Lester they get down the stretch and if Buttholtz can stay healthy and effective…its a solid rotation if everything goes right…..there is significant risk there that it won’t though.

    Still Boston is in a much better place than the Yankees right now…..

  119. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    You guys are really exaggerating both the success of the major leaguers produced by the RedSox system and the value of their top prospects right now.

    Boegarts and Matt Barnes are legit from their prospects who’ve been in the system at least 2 years.

    Josh Reddick? His 1 good season last year was clearly an outlier and he’s since reverted back to Josh Reddick- bust as he’s hitting .215 with 5 HRs, an obp under .300 and slugging in the high .300?s as a corner OF’er.

    For as good a year as Masterson is having right now last year he was Phil Hughes like with 5.00 era.

    Bard i can’t believe you even included on this list….mind boggling

    That’s not the point, man. The point is the amount of talent they have produced, that is producing now, and it seemingly hasn’t hurt them at all.
    Nobody is overrating anyone – simply stating what they are, and what they (right or wrong) have waiting to move up.
    Look at it how you want – and I’ll look at it like everyone else in baseball looks at it – it’s a strong point for them right now.

  120. blake July 31st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I predict Kuroda will pitch well tonight but will give up at least 1 run so it won’t be enough unless Jeter and Soriano both homer.

  121. JobaTipsHisCap July 31st, 2013 at 10:09 am

    startover by trading cc.

  122. ron July 31st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    I agree about overrating the rs prospects,but they have been more helpful than the yankee ones.
    The rs were smart.
    They unloaded all their bad contracts,and not only are competing.They wen’t from last to 1st,in one year.
    There is too much fear in trading a cano,when you do not have to replace every single hr,or rbi lost.
    The idea is to have a capable,above average 2b,fill the void,and the real value is the money saved,and the prospects/players we get in return.

  123. blake July 31st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 1m
    That group of 9 includes players such as Nelson Cruz, Jhonny Peralta, Francisco Cervelli and Jesus Montero #Rangers #Tigers

    MLB is going to try to link Arod to Cervelli, Melky, and Montero using I bet……that’s how they are going to argue a lifetime ban…..that he got these other guys to use.

  124. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Edited:

    In order for the Yankees to keep pace with Boston they will have to hit on every single one of their high upside pitchers, like a whole rotation worth.

    Ivan Nova
    Michael Pineda
    Jose Ramirez
    Manny Bannuelos
    Rafael Depaula
    Phelps/Warren/Nuno/Campos/Clarkin

    And bullpen:

    Betances

  125. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    If you’re going to trade CC you might as well sell high on Kuroda as well.

  126. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “For as good a year as Masterson is having right now last year he was Phil Hughes like with 5.00 era.”

    This statement alone speaks volumes.
    Your simple dismission of talent to one of several players they’ve produced, and in an attempt to denounce his ability or career numbers, you directly compared him to the BEST pitcher we have produced in the same time frame.
    Get my point?
    Someone in this organization needs to restructure how things are being done.

  127. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “I just don’t think Boston has the pitching to make it to the finish line, Peavy or not.

    This is just sour grapes, I think. I don’t like it either, and don’t get me wrong. But they have a solid rotation, even without Buchholz. The kid in their rotation now has been stellar – they just got Peavey, and also have parts that can move around.
    If Buccholz comes back, at least to a % of what he was, they’re going to be tough to beat.
    Bottom line is they are better than yesterday – and gave up really nothing to do it.
    In reality, Lester has been great for them coming out of the break, Dubront has been as good as anyone (look it up, surprised me), Lackey has turned his entire career around, and they have guys who have stepped in.
    I’m giving credit where it’s due, but we’ll see how it all pans out, I suppose.

  128. Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Honestly, As far as pitching we are good. I would have loved to sign Lee couple years ago. Nova is coming into his own now, Piñeda will be good. I have faith in his talent. We really just need position players, I don’t know how we ended up this way. I can’t even point fingers at cashman, this is a total collective of blame to go around.


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