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Is it worth trading Phil Hughes?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes

One opposing executive’s evaluation of the Yankees at the trade deadline: “They’re in a bad spot.”

They’re in the playoff hunt, but hardly a favorite. They have young talent, but most of it’s too far from the big leagues to have maximum trade value. They have contracts they’d like to unload, but most are basically untradeable. Getting rid of their truly valuable pieces would mean punting on the season, which they aren’t going to do.

With the deadline now less than six hours away, the Yankees likely won’t be aggressive one way or the other. They won’t be blockbuster buyers or overhaul sellers. Two names that fit that sort of in between mode: Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes.

Once seen as key pieces of the future, Chamberlain and Hughes could be expendable if the Yankees could actually get something in return. Both are heading toward free agency, neither has been consistent this season, and both could be replaced by in-house options.

“Hughes (has more value) than Joba but both (are) fairly limited,” another opposing executive said. “Hughes fits as rental for clubs that don’t get a better starter.”

Chamberlain has basically become the last man in the Yankees bullpen, so it’s little surprise he’s seen as having little value. One scout called him “emotionally immature” enough to make any contending team hesitant to trade for him and put him in a significant role.

“You don’t trust the impact,” the first executive said. “(With right-handed relievers), if you don’t have the best guy, it’s not a give-away market, but it’s certainly not a good market.”

Hughes, on the other hand, is seen as having some value for the right team. But even then, the return might not be significant.

“I think there’s value in Hughes because of his age and he does have some upside,” a scout said. “If he gets out of New York and everything that goes with that, he should pitch better. … Maybe he goes somewhere, pitches well like Ian Kennedy, finds a home and decides to sign there. Could be more than a two month rental for them.”

An A.L. executive pointed out that the Yankees can get value out of Hughes without trading him. The executive said he still thinks Hughes is worth a qualifying offer this offseason. At worst, it’s a one-year overpay, but Hughes would have legitimate reason to think he might get a multi-year deal, which would net a Yankees draft pick. Hughes’ age, experience and stuff would generate legitimate free agent interest, the executive said, but maybe not as much trade interest.

“Impact in a race is hard to predict,” the executive said. “He’s hard to rely on.”

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167 Responses to “Is it worth trading Phil Hughes?”

  1. blake July 31st, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Depends what you can get…..I would think you could get more value than a draft pick? Hughes didn’t do them any favors with his last outing…..

  2. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    This whole Hughes thing is a diversion from the real debate here which is buy or sell. The front office has used the media to cast Hughes as the main character of this trade deadline. Trading Hughes defines us as neither seller nor buyer and avoids the question.

    The real question should be.

    Trade CC and Kuroda or not?

  3. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Blake-

    Yes. need to just beat a draft pick, and also know that they have no intention of trying to re-sign him.

    The interest level for a fair return does not appear to be there.

    maybe today because that the last chance.

    I wouldn’t just give him away.

  4. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:15 am

    But they don’t want the fans asking that question.

  5. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    I just don’t think Boston has the pitching to make it to the finish line, Peavy or not.

    This is just sour grapes, I think. I don’t like it either, and don’t get me wrong. But they have a solid rotation, even without Buchholz. The kid in their rotation now has been stellar – they just got Peavey, and also have parts that can move around.
    If Buccholz comes back, at least to a % of what he was, they’re going to be tough to beat.
    Bottom line is they are better than yesterday – and gave up really nothing to do it.
    In reality, Lester has been great for them coming out of the break, Dubront has been as good as anyone (look it up, surprised me), Lackey has turned his entire career around, and they have guys who have stepped in.
    I’m giving credit where it’s due, but we’ll see how it all pans out, I suppose.

  6. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Buster-

    It should be but it won’t be.

    The Yankees do not wave the white flag. They have little to no history of being sellers.

    Even maybe when they should.

    ;)

  7. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    How is this even a question?

    Unless you don’t get something better than a supplemental pick, or you have an idea that Hughes is going to sign for 8-10M a year, then yes, trade him immediately.

  8. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Chad,

    Post an article that asks

    Is it worth trading Hiroki Kuroda?

  9. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Trade CC and Kuroda or not?

    Jesus – who is taking CC?

    Even LA isn’t going to spend that money – they can’t – for what he has shown to be at this point.

    I stand by the fact that if they put him on waivers, he’d go unclaimed at this point.

    Not to mention, after all the “I love NY” and “my family loves it here” stuff over the years – would he even waive the NTC to be dealt to someone else??

    Whatever the scenario, unless NY is eating 15M of the money per (and I’m tired of paying guys who don’t play here anymore, aren’t you?) you are never going to get back any kind of value on a guy with so much money and time left on a deal who is under-performing to this kind of level..

    Am I wrong here??

  10. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Kuroda should be on a fast train out of here right now for someone’s top ten prospect. Preferably a SS.

  11. blake July 31st, 2013 at 10:24 am

    They aren’t going to trade anybody……never surrender! Hal is ordering a trade for some utility guy theyll push as a real 3B right now to prove how much he cares.

  12. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:27 am

    “They aren’t going to trade anybody”

    Most likely result. Can’t force people to trade with us.

    We don’t want to be true sellers imo.

    Still Blake. Hold out slight hope of a surprise at the last minute or off the waiver wire.

  13. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 10:27 am

    3. With everything that’s happened this year, who would have thought that Musty’s injury (and disappearance) would be the most painful one?
    ———————————————————————————–

    Nobody.
    Nobody at all.

  14. sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 10:27 am

    For those of you advocating trading CC (which would be lovely) – just WHO are you going to trade a $23M pitcher to without eating most of his contract??

    CC’s contract BTW:
    12-15:$23M annually, 16:$25M, 17:$25M vesting option ($5M buyout)
    2017 salary guaranteed if Sabathia 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury

    The Dodgers are done spending. No team on the planet is going to take on a 90 mph pitcher with a 4.65 ERA, 1.31 WHIP and is in obvious free fall. So if the Yankees want CC gone AND want some sort of return (decent prospect (HA!)), they’ll pay 90% of CC’s contract for the next 4 years to pitch for another team. Great idea.

  15. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Still Blake. Hold out slight hope of a surprise at the last minute or off the waiver wire

    I always think this when the Yankees are reportedly in on nothing. The problem is for what? we simply don’t have the pieces to make the deal without moving Cano.

    Which I’m 1000% for.

  16. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Headline should read: Is it worth selling?

    Body should mention names like CC, Kuroda, Cano and Gardner.

  17. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:31 am

    TD values and needs are like the shifting sands of the Desert.

    Always moving and changing.

    Ya’ never know what might happen at the last minute.

    What looked like concrete might actually just be silly putty in the end.

    We’ll see.

  18. Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Honestly, As far as pitching we are good. I would have loved to sign Lee couple years ago. Nova is coming into his own now, Piñeda will be good. I have faith in his talent. We really just need position players, I don’t know how we ended up this way. I can’t even point fingers at cashman, there is a total collective of blame to go around.

  19. sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Let’s recap the idea of trading – you need someone who actually WANTS something you have. The players the Yankees have that people want are actually the good players on the team – Gardner, Cano, Kuroda, maybe Nova and Pettitte.

    Here’s a list of players no one wants (including the Yankees)…
    CC, Hughes, “Stewie”, Romine, Overbay, Ichiro, Wells, Hafner, Lillenbridge, Nix, Youk, Adams, and everyone else not named Jeter or listed above.

  20. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Morning all

    Would like to see a 3B upgrade and/or a LH hitting part time C.

    Would be shocked by anything major.

  21. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:40 am

    D-Rob, Kelley, Claiborne, Phelps, Betances, Logan would be some others with definite value.

    For instance, a package of Kuroda and Logan to the Brave would net a great return.

    You’re replacing Hudson with someone even better and the Braves are pretty desperate for a good second lefty reliever since they lost Venters and O’Flaherty.

    I would think Kuroda and Betances to the D’backs would have a similar effect.

    Either isn’t happening though so it’s a moot point.

  22. Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Other teams have collapsed in August and September. Stranger things have happened. The Yankees are not “totally out of it” quite yet.

  23. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am

    86-

    If anything happens it looks like it will be last minute.

    Or off the waiver wire after the TD.

    Fingers crossed.

  24. jskwrite July 31st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Hughes value is so low I can’t see the Yanks getting an organization’s top 10 prospect for him. Of course “he’d be better in a smaller ball park” “he’d be better outside NY”… but why would you give up a lot for that when he’s a free agent you can sign and lose nothing in 2 months. He’s not a game changer for any contending team and the team receiving him would not get a draft pick if he went elsewhere.

    CC – as everyone said above… who would take him?

    Kuroda – He’s not waving a no-trade clause. He wouldn’t accept a trade to NY a couple years ago but wanted to come here as a FA. Obviously you’d love to move Kuroda for a good minor league piece and he is a game-changer. But all you will do is piss him off and he won’t re-sign here next year (if he comes back to play another year).

    Cano – Can we all agree we want to re-sign him? Really very few teams can afford him. We’ll re-sign him more than likely. Have you ever heard of a star being traded at the deadline then re-signing with the team that traded him? It doesn’t happen. If you lose Cano, this is a rebuilding process for a couple years.

    Granderson – he’s hurt. He’s played 8 games this year. who’s going to take him? Hey, if someone is going to take him, let’s do it.. he’s a good clubhouse guy too.. but… who’s going to take him.

    Gardner – interesting.. again, moving him means rebuilding… his value is high and there are people there (once grandy is back) to take his place…

    I keep saying it – what you see is what you get. Yanks aren’t in a position to make a move either way now. Maybe the deadline should be moved to Aug 15

  25. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Moving Betances is how we got here.

    Well players with that value anyhow. I have no interest in trading for pieces to help now. I want to shed the weight and get better next year.

    We only need to look up in the standings to see the importance of flexibility and a good system meant to support the big league club.

  26. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Not-so-sunny615—–

    If the Yanks made them available there would be plenty of interest in Nova, Phelps, Kenny, Claiborne, Logan and more.

    Phelps pitched well last night and Granderson was 1-3 with a triple. They should get Grandy up tomorrow.

  27. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    As much as i am over this arod mess, i am equally as over mlbs high and mighty attitude.
    Yankees should throw bud a curveball and start arod tonight before mlb even knows whats happening.

  28. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Gardner – interesting.. again, moving him means rebuilding… his value is high and there are people there (once grandy is back) to take his place…

    He should be a part of the rebuilding. He’s a serviceable player, who doesn’t make a lot, plays good defense, and doesn’t hurt the plan of getting cheaper and younger and better.
    His value isn’t as high as him as a player, so keep him.
    He is no way a star, but a good piece to have.

  29. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    As much as i am over this arod mess, i am equally as over mlbs high and mighty attitude.
    Yankees should throw bud a curveball and start arod tonight before mlb even knows whats happening.

    This.

  30. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I just dont see how you can trade nova with kuroda, hughes and pettitte likely gone next year and cc struggling to adjust to losing 30 lbs…

  31. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 10:34 am
    Honestly, As far as pitching we are good. I would have loved to sign Lee couple years ago. Nova is coming into his own now, Piñeda will be good. I have faith in his talent. We really just need position players, I don’t know how we ended up this way. I can’t even point fingers at cashman, there is a total collective of blame to go around.

    —————–

    Good thought & comments

  32. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:48 am

    86-

    Not enough IMO.

    Who’s their 3b ?

    Who’s their C ?

    Who’s backing up O’bay ?

    Who’s the DH ?

    Those are areas of great concern. Especially 3b and C.

    serious O upgrades need at both.

  33. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 10:49 am

    just dont see how you can trade nova with kuroda, hughes and pettitte likely gone next year and cc struggling to adjust to losing 30 lbs

    _______________

    you can’t. It makes zero sense, but he’s the only one with any value at all at this moment.

  34. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Gardner expires after 2014 so he’s a short term contract who, like Hughes, will want big money for inconsistent production. They didn’t sell Hughes far enough in advance. Now he is a worthless rental. The same thing will happen with Gardner next year. It’s a shame because Granderson is returning and can play CF. Granderson can be given the QO through 2014 – same as Gardner. Plus the Yankees have Heathcott and Mason Williams as potential long term solutions after 2014.

    Kuroda is an old pitcher and the Yankees have 10 nice pitching prospects. Kuroda is also a short term guy. The no trade clause is up for debate and even if he has one, why would he want to pitch for a team that is not really in contention. Why would he not return to the LAD?

  35. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Unfortunately with Ivan the great he can turn right back into Ivan the terrible w/o notice.

    Is it real this time or is it Memorex ?

    Ya’ have to wonder.

  36. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Like i said yesterday. The yankees should be begging kuroda to sign an extension asap. Even with nova and pineda, phelps etc, no way we survive next year without kuroda. Its because of this I can see cashman claiming lee off waivers and trying to work it out with philly…

  37. DONNYBROOK July 31st, 2013 at 10:53 am

    - WED MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) Thought Kelley gave the game away last night. He Continually threw that slider of his to Ellis. Same break, same spot over the plate, pitch after pitch after pitch. Kelley shoulda been knocking the bat out of Ellis’s hands with that 93 MPH FB of his. Especially once he got 2 strikes on Ellis. DUMB

    (2) I do Not buy the party line that Jeet has been instructed to run at 80%. I believe we are presently seeing his best foot speed. Jeet had a force play at 2B Sunday, onna grounder straight to him, close to 2B. The routine play ended up being dangerously close, due to his diminished running speed. I do Not believe he would have elected to cut it that close, had there been another gear to shift into. Also, his getting thrown out at 1B last night was a play he normally beats, and a play he can Not restrain himself from attempting to come out on top of. I’m waiting to see if he will attempt his “jump throw” from the hole. Currently, I see little dexterity outta that ankle.

    (3) Robertson shoulda been pitching the 9th inning last night. He looked good in the 8th, threw few pitches, and the Yankees are off Thursday.

    (4) Ichiro continues to make his 2yr deal look good.

    (5) PH’ing Wells, righty-on-righty, was a Wasted out.

    (6) Stewart goin’ Jackson Brown. “Runnin’ On Empty”.

  38. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Nova may not be this good every time for the next 4 years but he seems more consistent and more confident. He finally seems to have a plan. I think we get a nova closer to this than the april nova.

  39. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I agree the team as configured isn’t going to make the playoffs. But Granderson will help. The failure to find a RH hitting 1B to share duty there is mind numbing. Who plays there tonight with Adams gone? Should be Randy Ruiz. Can’t Wells do it? Overbay versus LHP not pretty

  40. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Donny, jeter wont be back to normal until next season. We just need to get him through this season without getting reinjured.

  41. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am

    The Yankees desperately need O and they get more pitching.

    I hope not.

    Cliff Lee should go where his wife likes the shopping and the fans, and where he can kill deer easily.

    And there is no frickin’ way Hal would authorize the money.

  42. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am

    If the Yanks make a trade today, it will be for a guy with more name than game. That’s the way it’s been for a while, unfortunately, and the way it will go next year, too.

  43. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 10:57 am

    too bad cc’s sucking so badly. it would have been nice to get out of that contract if they could have gotten some value out of him now. his contract has now become another albatross contract they wont be able to get out of w/o paying most of it themselves.

  44. JobaTipsHisCap July 31st, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Alex, cc and tex all contributed big in 2009 run, now their contracts are all ugly.
    but, people will focus on Arod only.

  45. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:57 am

    ac-

    I wouldn’t bank on it. We’ve seen this movie before.

    I hope this time it’s really different but I’m skeptical.

  46. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    We could have unloaded cc and tex to the dodgers last year and stuck boston with beckett, crawford and gonzalez and those horrible contracts. Nope.

  47. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Donnybrook—

    Good points all…. Especially w/ Kelly. He throws a hard, heavy FB and Ellis does not have a very quick bat. I think Jeter is being careful and should be. Look for more progress as he plays more and he loosens up.

    Look for Romine on a milk carton near you

  48. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    WYH-

    Maybe they can be one in the same.

    A name who still has a game ?

    :)

  49. fantasygame101 July 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    If cashman is asking that question, he should be fired right away? it should never be a question now. They should already made their due diligence on whether he is worth offering a contract for 1 yr and get a draft pick or he is willing to sign a contract agreeable to them.

  50. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am

    “Look for Romine on a milk carton near you”

    Yeah. stamped on the bottom as an expiration date.

    :)

  51. JobaTipsHisCap July 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am

    sux management got more guts, just look at how they handled crawford.
    on the other hand.

  52. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Ac1—

    Exactly how do you know the Dodgers would have taken CC and Tex AND that both would waive no-trade clauses? You don’t…. And I doubt they would, especially Tex.

    I’d bet on CC being much better next year. In fact, I’d bet on him being better the rest of this year… Not exactly a high standard I admit.

  53. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    “A name who still has a game ?”

    I wish, MTU, but I think a name with game will cost more than the Yanks have got.

  54. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    ts because of this I can see cashman claiming lee off waivers and trying to work it out with philly…

    So, be forgiven ARods money and turn right around and give it to another guy?

    That’ll just prove how absolutely stupid they are. But you’re right, if Kuroda?AP leave, and CC doesn’t turn it around, that leaves NY with Nova and a handfull of #4 starters.
    We will need help in a bad way.

  55. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Sux got lucky.

    They found a team rich enough and dumb enough to suck up a whole bunch of bad contracts for basically one guy they really wanted.

  56. fantasygame101 July 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    jobatipshiscap,

    Cashman has more guts by complaining too much but doing nothing. If a GM complains too much but does little while his team is so bad has more guts bec. he could be fired.

  57. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I agree cc will recover.
    Tex i am not so sore. He seems unwilling to do what it takes to improve at the plate.

    I dont know if tex waives his ntc.
    Does cc even have one?

  58. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    is Hughes worth keeping

  59. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Sux management may have more guts…. They also have TONS more experience with teams that don’t make the playoffs.

  60. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    The stuff about CC’s contract is overblown. He’s a lefty with a deep arsenal. He never relied on velocity to begin with. He has a bag full of tricks and can adjust and age gracefully. The contract can be moved but it’s pointless to talk about it because the Yankees won’t sell low on him. If they ever moved him they’d want big time prospects and if CC were worth big time prospects, he would have to be pitching like an ace, thus fans would revolt if the Yankees dealt an ace for players they’ve never heard of.

    The Yankees put themselves in this position with all of their superstar players. But since the team is run like a corporation where baseball intellect is muzzled, the fans-as-customers slogan dominates their decision making process. Some of the smartest moves in baseball are very unpopular with fans. The Red Sox never hesitate to cut ties with popular players – Boggs, Clemens, Garciaparra, Damon, Manny, Youkilis etc.

    The Yankees had a chance to trade Carl Pavano’s contract one year into it (for Jeremy Reed of the Mariners) but the Yankees clung to the deal because Carlapalooza marketing scheme worked like a business ploy.

    Someday the Yankees will learn that their model is flawed and when the baseball people are able to make smart decisions however unpopular with the customers, the team will be better off.

    Kuroda and CC are big names. They should be dealt. Attach Cano to CC and some team would bite.

    Unpopular.

    Smart.

  61. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    WYH-

    You’re such a party pooper.

    :(

  62. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 9:34 am

    ———————-

    Crazy when you think about it. Sometimes I feel like ppl overrate RS farm hands but they do seem to come up with players every couple of yrs.

  63. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Jon heyman is such a blowhard.
    He just said, he heard a lot of hot air about lee and boston.
    You mean the hot air he was putting out there all week about lee and boston?

  64. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    his contract has now become another albatross contract they wont be able to get out of w/o paying most of it themselves.

    ———————

    Way too early to dump on CC unless you’re being sarcastic

  65. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    I wonder what crazy last-minute idea Levine and Hal will come up with this time ?

  66. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    all long term contracts are bad for the team….shorter years more $$$$ way to go, if every ML team gets together on this and the fight isn’t over years but the $$$$

  67. JobaTipsHisCap July 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    yanks front office has been pretty predictive for a long long time, except Arod’s 2nd contract.

  68. Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    is Hughes worth keeping

    ———
    I wouldn’t shed a tear if he left

  69. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Again, cc has been a great pitcher his entire career.
    He is having a bad year.
    Most of our team is.
    Of all of them, i am confident cc will figure it out.

  70. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    i keep hearing how cc’s gonna turn it around and he has all these tricks in his arsenal.

    he sure seems to be going in the opposite direction.

    but even if he does come back some (i dont see him ever being as dominant again) the yankees could much better use $25M over the next few years to cover several spots on the field.

    it’s already a terrible contract, they never should have extended him and it’s gonna hurt the franchise for at least 3 more seasons.

  71. DAM23 July 31st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I say it every year. Ignore all these rumors. The trade deadline is an industry for countless hacks looking to throw stuff at wall hoping something actually comes true and makes them look like they’re an “insider”.

    Don’t expect anything big from Yanks and if there is, It will be something no one saw coming. That’s happened before with Caahman.

  72. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Hughes doesn’t go anywhere unless someone is willing to give up someone who is likely to be better than a good supplemental pick and can help us in some other way.

    If not he has more value to us for the remainder of the season.

    Now Joba I put out on the curb with sign that says “free”.

    :)

  73. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 11:13 am

    it’s already a terrible contract,

    ———————-

    How is it terrible he gave them 4 quality yrs and a WS ring. It’s always the same thing with CC and some fans he pitches well and it’s *shrug shoulders* He has a good regular seasom and it’s well he’s not that good of a PS pitcher. He pitches well in the the PS and it’s let’s see what he does in the next game.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again when CC is gone that’s when he’ll be appreciated

  74. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    I cannot believe how things went with joba.
    He had the talent to be an ace and look how it ended up……
    That situation is one of the biggest yankee failures in recent memory. And i blame the team and joba 50/50.

  75. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am
    Hughes doesn’t go anywhere unless someone is willing to give up someone who is likely to be better than a good supplemental pick and can help us in some other way.

    If not he has more value to us for the remainder of the season.

    Now Joba I put out on the curb with sign that says “free”
    ————————————————
    ok now that’s funny

  76. exiledintampa July 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    You don’t lose that much weight w/o losing some muscle mass with it. C.C. needs to be built up again.

  77. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I’m telling you the problem is the view of fans as dumb customers who pay money for big names.

    The Yankees put themselves in the same pickle with every superstar on a big contract.

    If the big money player is playing well enough to return a haul of prospects, they always keep that player and ignore the long-term view. They never sell into a buying frenzy. They keep that player because of the name. Fans would panic even 2 years ago if Tex were ever mentioned in trades and they’d giddily invoke his no-trade clause and insist the offense could not survive without him.

    If that big money player is in the tank, his contract is impossible to move.

    When a team sees an opportunity to reload and get out of a big contract in the same move, they should do it every time even if it causes a temporary setback or angers the fan base.

  78. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 11:16 am

    ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    ———————

    Yep it’s crazy to think where he was and where he is now. If someone told you he’d be a run of the mill middle relief guy they would laugh and not believe you.

  79. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Look at the bright side. If we are out of the playoff race on the last day,we may get rivera playing centerfield…..

  80. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am
    Again, cc has been a great pitcher his entire career.
    He is having a bad year.
    Most of our team is.
    Of all of them, i am confident cc will figure it out.

    ————————–
    agree…but would like to see CC turn this around before 13 ends…hate to watch him finish this season out on the bad side.

  81. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Even if CC becomes subpar for the remainder of his contract who could have foreseen that ?

    He has always been a consistent horse until his recent elbow issue.

    I still think he has plenty left just needs a little more time to get even healthier and maybe re-adjust the way he pitches.

    So he has a bad year. So what ? Lot’s of great guys do.

    Just look at how Mussina and AP re-invented themselves when necessary.

    I have to believe CC can do the same even if his velo does not return next year.

  82. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Joeman-

    Or with a sign that says “Will pitch for food.”

    :)

  83. JT July 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Hughes may well take the qualifying offer–which would not be such a bad thing for the Yanks.

  84. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Aao, joba didnt do himself any favors either. I look back and the big mistake the yankees made was choosing to let hughes be the 5th starter over Joba in 2009 i think it was? Maybe 2010? Whatever year they battled for that last rotation spot and joba had better spring than hughes but they moved joba to the pen anyway. Thats where it fell apart.

  85. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    its a terrible contract right now. right now cc’s not an ace nor anything like a $25 M pitcher. and this is a team that has several needs.

    one could make a good argument that even if cc was pitching like his career record, it would still be better for this team, in its current position, to move that contract and use that money elsewhere.

    but since he’s not an ace and not a $25M pitcher, there’s no arguing that he’s worth the contract.

    had they done the right thing and told cc there would be no extension whether he opted out or not, they would not be in this position of owing the guy as much as they owe arod.

    if he opted out, they’d have had more money to spend elsewhere on this team, had he not opted out, they would have saved 2 years of way overpaying a 36/37 y/o pitcher with a ton of innings on a very very heavy frame.

    i like cc and i dont think he’s done but that is a terrible contract now.

  86. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again when CC is gone that’s when he’ll be appreciated”

    Apparently, he’s on his way to being “gone” now. Talent wise, anyhow.

    He needs to learn to pitch where he is now. The best way to hit the off speed stuff is to not miss the fastball – he had that on his side 5mph ago. Now, people aren’t missing the fastball when he has to throw it. He needs to start pitching like a pitcher.

  87. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2013 at 11:20 am

    The CC contract extension was the wrong move, and I believe I said so at the time. They should have put that money elsewhere.

  88. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    I think with cc, the weight loss is good for his health in life, but has affected his pitching…..
    He will learn to adjust.
    Of our bad contracts, he is down the list.

  89. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Just look at how Mussina and AP re-invented themselves when necessary.

    I have to believe CC can do the same even if his velo does not return next year.

    For me, the problem is that CC velocity is what AP is now – with much less years on his arm.

  90. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    The Yankees need O.

    Their pitching is going to be fine.

    Now and in the future.

    They have more arms than an octopus.

    :)

  91. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    question….how many times did CC go on the DL in 12…noticed he only hit the 200 inning mark last year…..not like him 6 of the last 7years he was over 230 IP…doesn’t look like he’s going to get 230 IP this year

  92. pat July 31st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Source: Michael Young changes mind, willing to waive no-trade clause for #RedSox. Only was willing to go to #Rangers yesterday.

  93. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Was it a terrible contract opening day?

    Look, he’s had three straight lousy starts. It is a gross overreaction to bail on a proven performer over three games.

    Will he ever again be one of the best in the game? I don’t know, but there was not a word of protest when they extended his contract to negate the buyout.

    He’s a prideful man and I’d take a whole pitching staff of CC Sabathias.

  94. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Manning-

    All CC needs is to command his stuff the way he’s capable of and maybe make an adjustment to throwing a sinker more.

    I still think he will be plenty effective for many more years, and he is one hell of a competitor.

    He’ll make the necessary adjustments at some point IMO.

    He has the arsenal and he’s smart and determined.

  95. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:27 am

    MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Joeman-

    Or with a sign that says “Will pitch for food.”
    ————————————–
    that’s looking at a 30 lb weight loss

  96. Tar July 31st, 2013 at 11:27 am

    We complain about Ichiro being a ” marketing” driven signing. The Sox -Dodgers trade was completely driven by marketing. The Dodgers wanted Gonzalez so much that they would have taken on any bad contracts, including an Alex type contract.

    It’s also why I believe the Angels made their own stupid contact signings. There is a war for the LA market and it looks like the Dodgers are winning.

  97. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “Ken_Rosenthal
    Source: Michael Young changes mind, willing to waive no-trade clause for #RedSox. Only was willing to go to #Rangers yesterday.”

    _________________________

    Of course it is – that’s why they called up Brock Holt instead of Middlebrooks or Boegarts.

  98. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:28 am

    I could see Young trded to the RS today

  99. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    If Hughes and Granderson are on the team after the TD as I expect then in the off season they will have to decide whether to tender them a contract. My crystal ball foresees that they do make the tender which will result in the Yankees saying their hands are tied for other moves until they know whether they are accepted or not. In the meantime, other team will improve.

    In other words, it will seem much like last year with nothing happening until it is only released and otherwise unwanted players left. But, see how we are trying fans.

    They have to move them both. They will do neither.

  100. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    to bad the NYY couldn’t get their hands on Middlebrooks….

  101. blake July 31st, 2013 at 11:32 am

    If I was Young I’d rather play for Boston than the Yankees too right now…..they are better and who wants to deal with the Arod circus.

  102. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Mac-

    I definitely disagree on Hughes.

    He will easily get a multi-year deal from someone.

    Have to gamble on the QO for him.

    Grandy is a bit more risky because of the smaller amount of playing time.

    If he comes back strong when he returns I take the gamble on him too because I think someone will offer him a multi-year if he looks healthy for the remainder of he season.

  103. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 11:34 am

    The problem is the Yankees are not only behind several games they are also behind several teams for the wildcard spots. They aren’t all going in the toilet.

    Recognition of reality is vital to the operation of any business. It is far past the time the team looks at the roster and the system and tries to fix it long term. Inaction or band aid action merley prolongs for another year or more any hoped for rebound. They need young, upside players in the system.

  104. comnsnse July 31st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Hello sport’s fans!

    Reading many of these posts and the litany of complaints you’d guess the Yanks are the Cubs!

    How many of the posters on this thread were adult fans in the 60′s, you would naturally have to be in your late 50′s early 60′s now?

    How many have been on board since the early 80′s, maybe in your 40′s today?

    Most of the posts here assume Yankee fans have a birthright to annual success.

    Expansion, the draft, free agency,revenue sharing and the ubiquitous cap have conspired to create “parity”, or in economic terms socialism.

    We will not be going “back to the future”, so get used to the idea that the ticker tape parades will be infrequent because for “monies sake”, baseball is now a crap shoot for success.

    Meaning you have to be much smarter about what you spend your money on and have people who know how to evaluate and develop talent.

    The Steinboys et al have a bad business plan and apparently no confidence in their top baseball exec, so imo they either sell to better business people or wise up and hire someone whom they feel confident in to run the baseball operation without mysterious committees!

    Because from all appearances they are currently a rudderless ship.

  105. pat July 31st, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Can Cervelli continue to work out in Tampa if he’s suspended?

  106. DAM23 July 31st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I seem to remember years ago that Michael Young and Cal Ripken were only baseball players at ARods wedding. Pure speculation on my part, but could be reason Young wants nothing to do with NY.

  107. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    MTU,

    I am not saying Hughes won’t get such an offer. My point is the Yankees will not act until that is resolved. Just like last year when they couldn’t do one thing until another is complete in one way or the other.

    They will have about $30M in offers to Hughes and Granderson. They will do nothing until they know they aren’t spending this money. I can almost guarantee that.

    If they don’t make offers, how can one possibly argue not to trade them today. They will get nothing otherwise. The 2013 Yankees are dead in the water.

  108. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Aao, joba didnt do himself any favors either. I look back and the big mistake the yankees made was choosing to let hughes be the 5th starter over Joba in 2009 i think it was? Maybe 2010? Whatever year they battled for that last rotation spot and joba had better spring than hughes but they moved joba to the pen anyway. Thats where it fell apart.

    —————

    True he didn’t do himself any favors. The weight issue and him being stubborn were problems.

    Yea it was 2010. I agree it was a mistake on their part. It didn’t need to be either or. But they decided Javy the second time around was worth ending his starting career. Then Javy spits the bit and they shrug their shoulders hey it didn’t work can’t blame us. This organization claims that pitching is the keys to the kingdom but they took one of their assets and made him a reliever. Would it hve been a crime to send him down??? Think about it since Joba’s 2007 campaign which was a perfect weapon used in the perfect way have the Yankees missed his presence in the 8th inning?? The answer is no. The primary set-up guys have been Hughes, Wood, Sori, and D-rob. All have performed better than Chamberlain outside of his 2007 season. So what did they accomplish. He’s not starting, closing, or pitching the 8th and they can’t get anything for him in a trade.

  109. pkyankfan69 July 31st, 2013 at 11:39 am

    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:28 am
    I could see Young trded to the RS today
    ————————————-
    Things look to be heading that way…

    “FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports that Michael Young is willing to waive his no-trade clause to go to the Red Sox.
    We heard yesterday that Young was only willing to return to the Rangers, but he has apparently had a change of heart. The Phillies are motivated to give Cody Asche a chance at their starting third base job, so a deal could come together quickly.
    Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter Jul 31 – 11:27 AM”

  110. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 11:40 am

    yes i argued over the winter on several occasions that they should have moved the cc contract while they still could. had cc pitched well this season, that still could have been accomplished at the deadline. now that window has closed.

    you cannot argue that w/o his last 3 starts cc is an ace and a $25M pitcher this year. its not true. his last 3 have accelerated his poor season, but he was not near worth the contract BEFORE those last 3 starts.

    i’m quiet confident that cc will recover from these last 3 lousy starts, but just getting back to where he was this year before those 3 starts does not make his contract worthwhile now, let alone through 2017 (or 2016 with a huge buyout)

  111. blake July 31st, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 1m
    Sources: #Rangers’ Berkman considering retiring and forfeiting remainder of his salary, about $4.4M. Meeting with team officials today.

  112. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    joba to the RS for Middlebrooks

  113. blake July 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    MLB Network Radio ?@MLBNetworkRadio 1m
    Manuel: “You have to be realistic about your team, we’ve never cried about our injuries, but that definitely hurt us. We have to be better

    unless you’re the Yankees…..then you just pretend you’re good when you’re not

  114. blake July 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “joba to the RS for Middlebrooks”

    a Middlebrooks baseball card or the real player?

  115. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Mac-

    They have many high upside prospects in the system.

    They just haven’t developed on schedule as hoped.

    Heathcott, Austin, Williams, and Flores all were expected to have big years.

    Unfortunately, for various reasons, they did not breakout.

    That doesn’t mean they won’t at some point. Doesn’t mean they are busts.

    Prospects aren’t like chocolates popping off the assembly line.

    They are humans and as such they aren’t as predictable.

    I know we were counting on at least one of them to break out this season but it just didn’t happen.

    The odds simply went against the Yankees this year.

    Next might be an entirely different story.

    Bottom line.

    Development takes time and patience and I wouldn’t say we don’t have talent.

    That statement seems premature to me.

  116. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:45 am

    “I could see Young trded to the RS today”

    Yeah, this is happening. He’ll take Napoli’s spot in the linuep and be that righty behind Ortiz who makes contact.

  117. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Mac-

    They have many high upside prospects in the system

    I agree with this. However, those high upside prospects are too far away to hold value to anyone. That’s the problem.

  118. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am

    blake July 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am
    “joba to the RS for Middlebrooks”

    a Middlebrooks baseball card or the real player?

    ——————————-
    you guys are hot today

  119. DAM23 July 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I’m really hoping to see Orioles and Rangers make some moves. It ain’t happening for Yanks this year and would like to see the realistic playoff teams strengthen themselves to hopefully beat Boston. Plus, the Orioles are fun to watch.

  120. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    middlebrook’s stock may have dropped quite a bit this year, but not THAT far.

  121. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Not moving Cliff Lee is why Amaro is the worst GM in baseball. You had a guy with a huge salary, a mediocre team, and willing buyers and you got selfish and kept him.
    Even if it wasn’t Boston, I’m sure they could’ve gotten what they wanted for Lee if they bent just a little.
    Also – why their system is in shambles as well.

  122. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    The Red Sox are no good, they’re lucky, the pundits love them, they’re prospects are overrated etc. etc. Again, the reality both their major league team and farm system are far superior to ours. They are better run with a cogent strategy. The talk is simply sour grapes.

    Stewart now has an OPS below .600, Cervelli has been a suspect in Biogenisis a long time, they don’t play Romine and they are content at catcher.

    Someone please tell me something optimistic about the team going forward.

  123. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:50 am

    “middlebrook’s stock may have dropped quite a bit this year, but not THAT far”

    Middlebrooks’ sweaty shoes haven’t dropped that much stock.

  124. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    “The Red Sox are no good, they’re lucky, the pundits love them, they’re prospects are overrated etc. etc. Again, the reality both their major league team and farm system are far superior to ours. They are better run with a cogent strategy. The talk is simply sour grapes.”

    Winner.

  125. Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Honestly I don’t see any MAJOR moves. But if we can get Morneau, David DeJesus, some catcher then we have a chance at the postseason.

  126. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:14 am
    I cannot believe how things went with joba.
    He had the talent to be an ace and look how it ended up……
    That situation is one of the biggest yankee failures in recent memory. And i blame the team and joba 50/50.

    ====================

    Realistic percentage.
    The ‘cool’ thing seems to blame it on FO/ Manager/ Pitching Coach / various hot dog vendors….
    But Joba himself seems to be a huge factor in his progress.

    What other (besides Middlebrooks) ‘former prospect star’ is floating out there floundering like Joba – regardless of position -

    Throw the dice with another GM that has the same attitude with one of their “former can’t miss prospects ???

  127. Your Worst Nightmare July 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    comnsnse July 30th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    YWN, AKA Cornball, may I address you by the acronym YWN in the future?

    Were you on both the Feinsand and Dellapina blogs? The Feinsand blog was populated with a less serious crowd, do you remember Redfish?

    Actually the hockey blog was even more fun with a bunch of true hockey fans with a definite sense of humor when Dellapina was the writer.

    Unfortunately he left for a job with the NHL office and what followed was two disastrous writers necessitating a mild verbal thrashing on my part for their less than brilliant blogs.
    Resulting in my banishment by a wet behind the ears recent college grad who should have been making coffee runs with Cashman!

    Even Feinsand refused to intervene the wuss ……………. and just because I commented on his girth a few times!

    PS, the hockey blog is in the dumper and Feinsand misses me!
    Be well and post more often.

    ===============

    YWN is fine LOL ! I was only on BTB which was a flippen riot with ur buddy ‘Fishytina’, what a hoot.

    Feinsand and his girth ? He used to get ripped about going to ‘White Castle’ for the bonus sack of burgers (15 for the price of 12) I think he has gained 25 pounds since those days.

    Or is it cuz his Blog has been a ghost town ever since he chased everyone away with his mindless late posts.

    How is ur buddy ‘Fishytina’ BTW ?

    U know ‘DONNYBROOK’ on here is ‘CHIN MUSIC’ right ?

    What fun.

  128. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 11:54 am

    morneau has batted .174 with 5 rbi the past month. that’s worse then overbay.

    what do you expect the cost to be for this ‘upgrade’?

  129. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Yankees are in a tough spot. There really aren’t any clean answers to fill their needs. I still think they’re in position to buy, because, why give up on the season? The wild card is winnable.

    I’m thinking there best option right now is Aramis Ramirez… which isn’t saying a whole lot. He’s on the DL and has had a bad knee all season.

  130. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 11:58 am

    RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 11:56 am
    Yankees are in a tough spot. There really aren’t any clean answers to fill their needs. I still think they’re in position to buy, because, why give up on the season? The wild card is winnable.

    I’m thinking there best option right now is Aramis Ramirez… which isn’t saying a whole lot. He’s on the DL and has had a bad knee all season.

    ——————————————
    the best option…find themselves a 3rd ..SS and C…not much to get done there

  131. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Manning-

    Those prospects may not be to be of any value to anyone but us.

    That doesn’t mean they are worthless. It just calls for more time.

    It would have been nice if one of our OF guys at AA would have had a breakout season.

    It could easily have happened but it didn’t.

    We have talent at AA and higher. It just didn’t come into bloom right on schedule.

    That’s unfortunate but it isn’t exactly a total shock either.

    Next year could be a totally different story. There’s no telling.

  132. G. Love July 31st, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    As long as the Yankees believe Nix & Stewart are regular full time baseball players I’ve decided to call it a season. We’re cooked.

    If they are both still our starters at C and 3b by days end, that’s all she wrote folks.

    We can make 3.5 games with CC and Hughes throwing intermittent clunkers if we have offense.

    We cannot make up those games with CC & Hughes struggling and Stewie and Nixy being relied on as every day players.

    That’s the sign of the con game folks. If the Yankees refuse to upgrade two positions we’re so below replacement on they aren’t trying and Soriano was just for show to sell a couple extra tickets.

    Seeing Cashman and Girardi tout Nix as the starter like he’s Mike Schmidt was the last straw for me.

    It’s a slap in the face to every fan who believes in this team putting that kind of player in the everyday lineup and acting like it’s great.

    Shame on the Yankees if they don’t try to improve those spots by days end.

  133. pat July 31st, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    nightengalejr
    Peralta on potentially appealing a suspension: “I don’t have a comment yet about that. I’ll try to see what’s better for everybody.” #Tigers

    Wonder if Miggy’s hip issue would have an impact on that?

  134. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    the world doesnt end at the deadline. there will still be many moves to make through waivers as there have been every year recently.

  135. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Look at Aramis Ramirez’ contract.

    No way he’s headed this way. Don’t see a good choice to be honest with you. 3B is going to remain an offensive wasteland.

  136. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    I am still stinging from the game last night.
    That was a tough loss.

    My 2 complaints are:
    A) Why wasn’t Robertson asked to pitch the 9th? He only threw about 10 pitches in the 8th and those were easy pitches. If last night was a playoff game, then we all have to assume
    Robertson would have pitched a second inning
    B) I didn’t care for the 3-2 pitch to Ellis by Kelley. I really think Ellis was looking slider. Just like
    Uribe was blown away by a fastball up and in, I think Kelley should have throwing a fastball
    on 3-2 to Ellis and blow him away.

  137. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Other clubs looking for Offense appear to be struggling for trade partners on a reasonable basis.

    We apparently are not alone.

    I have to believe Cashman is talking quite a bit (and does have offers on his desk – that are NOT favorable to the Yankees)

    The closer we get to 400 – maybe things will start to defrost.

  138. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    “The closer we get to 400 – maybe things will start to defrost.”\

    Always does…

  139. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Manning,

    I wonder about the high upside guys. They seem to fall away when they hit AA ball. Is it hype or reality? I sure don’t know.

  140. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Kelly Shoppach Opts Out

    Catcher Kelly Shoppach has exercised his opt-out clause with the Nationals and is now a free agent.
    ======================================

    Change for change sake ???

    (did beat out Montero in Seattle earlier this year)

  141. G. Love July 31st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    I’m in meetings all afternoon so you guys keep the trade deadline candles burning. Fake Pete will have to sit this deadline out sadly too.

    I expect a RH hitting 3b/1b and a better hitting alternative at C.

    If they fail to address those positions, I think it’s time say good night on 2013.

  142. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    G.Love—

    What are you talking about. No one anywhere has ever suggested Nix was anything more than the utilitarian journeyman he’s always been

  143. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    I think Olney had it right this morning. Look for the yankees to be active on the August waiver wire. I ask, why?

  144. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I’m out.

    back later.

  145. comnsnse July 31st, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Austin, staying strictly with your comments about our catching situation.

    You state the problem as you see it but what is your solution?

    Again with the star at every position mentality?

    Stewart was never intended to be the starter for long, Cervelli was deemed ready for his shot.

    More to the point is the org. considers catching prospects to be a strong point.

    Apparently Romine has no future here but keep in mind we were supposed to have Tex,Jeter,Grandy for full seasons.

    Thereby allowing the team to get by for a year or two with little offense from the catching position.

    The offensive issues with this roster are exaggerated at most positions because no one is having a career year and catching offense would not even be mentioned if the three I noted had been playing all year having decent seasons!

    The age, injuries, bad contracts and slow prospect development have all borne bitter fruit at the same time.

  146. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    G.Love—

    What are you talking about. No one anywhere has ever suggested Nix was anything more than the utilitarian journeyman he’s always been

    ===============================

    That’s what we originally got him for – with that exact expectation…..not to be a full-time starter.

    We shouldn’t be blasting Nix; should rather complain that we don’t have/didn’t get a front-line 3B or SS.

  147. blake July 31st, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    “Seeing Cashman and Girardi tout Nix as the starter like he’s Mike Schmidt was the last straw for me.”

    come join Team Angry and Pessimistic with me!

  148. comnsnse July 31st, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Blake, ever lived in Conn.,HS in NJ?

    How many definitions of the word Brad can you think of?

  149. blake July 31st, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    The Soriano trade was merely a message from Hal to the fans to come to the ballpark…..that’s why they leaked it out that it was an “ownership decision” and all that nonsense…..it was to attempt to appease the fanbase without really doing anything significant.

  150. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Manning,

    I wonder about the high upside guys. They seem to fall away when they hit AA ball. Is it hype or reality? I sure don’t know.

    _____________________

    I dunno, man. But what I know is that it isn’t happening. I just don’t get it and believe there is a flaw somewhere.

  151. luis July 31st, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Good afternoon everyone,

    Just a quick one.

    MTU…. I am leaving to Canaima on Friday… Picks will be on your way by Tuesday.

    G Love, Good luck on your meetings…. I don’t think the Yankees will do anything significant… And if they do, they might mortgage their future.

    Mac,

    It looks like Jeter will play next season… That’s your positive note on the team ;)

    Later guys

  152. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I don’t see how the Yankees could have invested in long term solutions at SS and 3B with Derek and Alex under contract. They thought they had Jeter covered with Nunez and Alex with Youkilis who played 3B every day and was pretty productive after his trade to Chicago.

    Didn’t work out well, but there was a plan.

  153. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    “Seeing Cashman and Girardi tout Nix as the starter like he’s Mike Schmidt was the last straw for me.”

    —————————-

    Never acted like he was a HOFer….but they also didn’t come out a say he was really truly a utility infielder while he ‘had to become’ a starter.

    Didn’t want to ‘knock down’ one of your current starters.

    To knock him down it would simply have him replaced with someone better, without berating him in the papers.

    (obviosly – not that easy)

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 11:38 am

    ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Aao, joba didnt do himself any favors either. I look back and the big mistake the yankees made was choosing to let hughes be the 5th starter over Joba in 2009 i think it was? Maybe 2010? Whatever year they battled for that last rotation spot and joba had better spring than hughes but they moved joba to the pen anyway. Thats where it fell apart.

    —————

    True he didn’t do himself any favors. The weight issue and him being stubborn were problems.

    Yea it was 2010. I agree it was a mistake on their part. It didn’t need to be either or. But they decided Javy the second time around was worth ending his starting career. Then Javy spits the bit and they shrug their shoulders hey it didn’t work can’t blame us. This organization claims that pitching is the keys to the kingdom but they took one of their assets and made him a reliever. Would it hve been a crime to send him down??? Think about it since Joba’s 2007 campaign which was a perfect weapon used in the perfect way have the Yankees missed his presence in the 8th inning?? The answer is no. The primary set-up guys have been Hughes, Wood, Sori, and D-rob. All have performed better than Chamberlain outside of his 2007 season. So what did they accomplish. He’s not starting, closing, or pitching the 8th and they can’t get anything for him in a trade.
    ///

    Odds: yup!

  155. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    I fully expect Joba to be pretty good once he goes somewhere else and grows up a little more.

  156. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    ARod is on the cover of the latest SI. My copy arrived this morning in the mail.
    I can only imagine what is written about him inside this magazine.
    I’m afraid to read.

  157. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Youkilis was a waste..homework wasn’t done on him…not counting this year since 2010 he’s only played in 344 of a possible 486 games..missed just about a total of 1 full season..

  158. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    I have a concept, a decent player at every position. They should have kept Martin. He is far better than what they have. Hal and/or Levine said no.

    Right now, I would try Murphy and Romine. Let’s see what we have. They can’t be worse than Steart, can they?

  159. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    not for nothing see the game AJ pitched yesterday…

  160. TheStraw July 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I don’t understand those pushing to sell. CC and Kuroda are not going anywhere. The Yanks will not trade Cano . The only tradeable assets the Yanks have are Gardner, who the Yanks would be foolish to deal at this point, and Joba/Phil, who will fetch vitrually nothing. I’d offer Hughes the QO and take the draft pick or the extra year….it’s likely better than what they would receive in return. They are only four games out of the WC play-in game with over fifty left to play. Teams can collapse (e.g. the 2011 Sox) and the return of Granderson and another minor acquisition might be enough to push this team into the post season. There is no chance they wave the white flag in Mo’s last year.

    Next year, they will hopefully have an extra 30 million to play with…

  161. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    I’m afraid to read.

    ———————–

    I’ll end the suspense right now. In the article it mentions he has horns, a tail, and wings.

  162. 86w183 July 31st, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Gotta run… Have a day

  163. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    ’ll end the suspense right now. In the article it mentions he has horns, a tail, and wings.

    lol

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    The Red Sox are no good, they’re lucky, the pundits love them, they’re prospects are overrated etc. etc. Again, the reality both their major league team and farm system are far superior to ours.
    ///

    austinmac, they horded a ton of picks the last couple of years so good for them, but they do not have the the big high-end arms like Ramirez and DePaula expected to shoot through the system as we do.

    Matt Barnes looks to me like he could be special; I was very impressed with him in Trenton even though he got hit. But I have seen Anthony Ranaudo, who is raved about, and I have to scratch my head on that one. The times I have seen him, he’s thrown a straight fastball and has just gotten pounded. Guys like Owens and Webster are way down in the system.

    Other than Barnes, I don’t see any charismatic big-arm type shooting up and making a precocious bid to make the big club anytime soon, and since pitching is kind of important, I will cede superiority to the Yankees in that area. Now, will we screw them up? Well, there is that…possibility.

    But we have some undeniably glitzy arms that can move fast, and hopefully, with Gil Patterson now in the fold, we will at least honor primum non nocere !

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Fake Pete will have to sit this deadline out sadly too.
    ///

    NOOOO!!!! :(

  166. gallagwar July 31st, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Of course it’s worth trading Phil Hughes! Get anything you can! How’s it different from a compensation pick? And it clears up a roster spot for someone who’s going to be with the club moving forward. It would let them get Pineda into the rotation, or make the move easier once Phelps comes back.

    Hughes simply hasn’t earned the right to stay with the club. He’s been awful, isn’t getting any better, and clearly isn’t going to be back next year.

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