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Lillibridge at first base

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brett Gardner CF
Derek Jeter SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Alfonso Soriano LF
Vernon Wells RF
Brent Lillibridge 1B
Jayson Nix 3B
Chris Stewart C
Hiroki Kuroda RHP

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  1. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    One thing that particularly irks me about the trade deadline is Phil Hughes will stay in the rotation. He has to build enough value to reject a QO. They can’t sen him to AAA because he’s out of options and they can’t demote him to the pen. This stinker has stuck himself in the rotation and by Cashman not dealing him Cashman is complicit. He has gone right along with it knowing Hughes is out of options. So basically barring injury Hughes has been gifted a spot in the rotation and we will see more stinkers I can promise you that and when we do there will be nowhere to put him. Because of Hughes, David Phelps, a guy they have to build up for 2014, will have to return to the long man in the pen. Warren will be demoted. Pineda will only get a shot if there’s an injury.

    Talk about clinging to a bust prospect until the last minute.

    Cashman should be ashamed at himself for miscalculating on this guy but he’s stuffing him down our throats until the bitter end.

    It’s unbelievable.

    Nobody wanted him – true – at Cashman’s price though.

  2. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Now I’m reading on Yahoo about a possible
    lifetime ban for ARod is he refuses to reach a settlement with MLB
    WTH??

  3. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Guess they want to see how Lilli does against a lefty.

    He’s a slick fielder.

    Maybe they are hoping to use him as the Overbay platoon partner if he shows something with the bat ?

  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Warning, I think that’s relatively old news.

  5. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Trisha
    News to me. I just read it.

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    And I’m reading Arod intends to fight ANY MLB discipline.

    Good old Arod. Dumb as a blankin’ stump.

  7. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Buster-

    Maybe the offers were that bad that a good draft pick will beat them ?

  8. XLJ07 July 31st, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    I like to see Girardi start playing Romine more… Stewart is awful

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    “Trisha
    News to me. I just read it.”

    I think that was floated around earlier in the week.

  10. blake July 31st, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Cash did say in his interview with Kay that Murphy could play his way into a call up at some point

  11. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    Blake-

    yeah. In Sep’t.

    With all the others.

    ;)

  12. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Of course Romine finally starts to hit and now he will sit for 4 days in a row. Girardi’s obsession with Stewart is absolutely ridiculous.

  13. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    MTU,

    If the offers were worse value than a draft pick, would you want to be stuck with that player in the rotation? He’s out of options and they can’t demote him to the pen and expect to get that draft pick. It was irresponsible not to lower the asking price. Cashman went out there and said he was aggressively pushing to trade him. He didn’t try hard enough.

  14. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Cash did say in his interview with Kay that Murphy could play his way into a call up at some point
    ———–

    Yeah in September to sit on the bench and watch. Girardi still doesn’t trust Romine with certain pitchers and it took forever for him to even let him catch a game. No way will Girardi let him get in a game.

  15. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    Of course Romine finally starts to hit and now he will sit for 4 days in a row. Girardi’s obsession with Stewart is absolutely ridiculous.
    —————————————————–
    Settle down.
    Could be that Kuroda prefers throwing to Stewie and not Romine.
    Ever thought of that?

  16. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    MTU,

    Basically I believe Cashman set a ridiculous asking price because he intended to keep Hughes. It’s possible the ownership ordered him traded. No way they plan on paying that guy in 2014. Yet Cashman has him entrenched in the rotation. Very irresponsible and just a bad call.

  17. blake July 31st, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    “Yeah in September to sit on the bench and watch. Girardi still doesn’t trust Romine with certain pitchers and it took forever for him to even let him catch a game. No way will Girardi let him get in a game.”

    Well he will have to decrease hit hitting ability to catch Girardi’s eye but you never know

  18. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    This is like insult to injury. Nix and stewart back in lineup. Romine was a actually hitting….

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    I think the reason that Braun just stood up and took his punishment was because he still had (in his mind anyway) plausible deniability with the earlier case so he could maybe try to sell that Biogenesis was his first infraction. And he knew MLB was pissed blind that he had beaten them earlier so he probably didn’t want to chance poking a snake with a stick.

    With Arod, he admitted in the past, so for him to admit now just makes him entirely scummy and untrustworthy so he probably feels it’s better for his reputation overall to deny and fight it. And no matter where this goes, he will always be able to say that they (Biogenesis) were lying and unfortunately they were believed and he wasn’t “probably because I had used steroids in the past. But I did NOT buy anything from Biogenesis and I’m not going to say I did just because MLB wanted to make an eschample (the way he pronounces it) out of one of the best players in the game.”

    See, he can lie to the finish and still come out of it with some semblance of his reputation in tact because those ridiculous enough to lick up his pap will continue to do so. Just like the fools who believed Clemens because he was acquitted.

    None are so blind as they who will not see.

  20. blake July 31st, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    If Cashman thinks the yanks are still in this then I don’t blame him for not wanting to give Hughes away for nothing…..they’ll need rotation depth if they want to have any chance of making the playoffs

  21. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Trisha-
    Is it possible for anybody & that includes ARod, for anybody to purchase
    legal items from BIOGENESIS???

  22. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 6:43 pm
    Now I’m reading on Yahoo about a possible
    lifetime ban for ARod is he refuses to reach a settlement with MLB
    WTH??

    Baseball overreaching. Alex should call their bluff. They just want him to settle. Seems if they had enough to make a ban stick there would be no deal offer.

  23. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    The Yankees were also rumored to have had trade nibbles about right-hander Phil Hughes and would have listened had anyone pitched a deal for right-hander Joba Chamberlain, but clearly there was not enough interest to pull the trigger on any deals. Cashman said that the marketplace did not seem particularly appealing as the 4 p.m. ET Deadline approached.

    “What I was offering obviously wasn’t good enough for the opposing teams, and what the teams were offering me wasn’t good enough from my perspective,” Cashman said.

    -MLB

  24. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    If the teams slides out of the race, I hope they give Romine, Murphy, Adams and a few more a chance to show what they can do. If one shows he play, it is success.

  25. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Buster-

    I have no idea what really transpired behind the scenes.

    You could be right or totally off base.

    But I definitely do understand your frustrations over Hughes.

    I was hoping they’d move him too for a decent piece, and Joba as well.

    So now I guess I accept that we’ll get an extra draft pick.

    The consolation prize.

    I just hope next year’s draft is an extra special one.

    ;)

  26. The Other Phil July 31st, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    “What I was offering obviously wasn’t good enough for the opposing teams, and what the teams were offering me wasn’t good enough from my perspective,” Cashman said.

    Exactly. Cashman getting killed for not making a deal, just for the sake of making a deal. So if other teams offered a low A or middling AA player, he should have taken it, just to get rid of Hughes or Joba? The team decided they weren’t sellers but buyers, so they wanted value that would be helpful to the team now, not throw away players to get less in return, just because some fans want him to do that.

    Again, some people on here have been playing too much PS3 with cheat mode on.

  27. Irreverent Discourse July 31st, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    There is no chance of Hughes turning down a QO. You can’t even utter those words in his presence. What would make you think he would turn that down after how poorly he is pitching this season? $13mil to play another year in pinstripes or “maybe” get a FA deal? I dunno… not much of a choice there.

  28. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    If they fall out of the race I really hope that they bring up Murphy and give Adams more time. I think that they need to see what these guys can do. Murphy especially since they will obviously need a catcher next year.

  29. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Yeah in September to sit on the bench and watch. Girardi still doesn’t trust Romine with certain pitchers and it took forever for him to even let him catch a game. No way will Girardi let him get in a game.

    Joe still thinks he was some key cog on those teams he played on. Doesn’t realize those teams could afford a catcher that could not hit. Lillibridge is a .223 hitter against Left Handers in 300 at bats yet he’s playing 1st. Plenty of proof he’s mediocre. Did he even give Adams 75 at bats versus LH pitching?

  30. The Other Phil July 31st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    ID: Your reasoning is sound, but we’ve seen teams do silly things before. With the super thin FA class for 2014, there may be someone that decides to throw 3 years at him and he takes it.

    I doubt it, but it’s possible…

  31. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    MTU,

    The Yankees are obviously content with the same approach with Hughes and Granderson as they tried with Rafael Soriano and Swisher.

    They will harvest more draft picks.

    They will do the same thing with Gardner after 2014.

  32. chicken_stanley July 31st, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I’ve got to admit I was a little disappointed with no moves (buy or sell) but that’s now water under the bridge. I’m gonna settle in and root for the Yanks to make a playoff run with what they’ve got. But honestly, (to quote a hillbilly saying) they have a long row to hoe.

  33. XLJ07 July 31st, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Romine caught Kuroda last game and did well but he is not playing tonight. I didn’t have an issue with Stewart catching most the games, but now that Romine is showing some life with his bat he should play more.

    I think Girardi done a great job with this garbage team, but enough of the Chris Stewart love affair. If Romine shows any life with the bat Stewart should not be playing more than once a week.

  34. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Baseball overreaching. Alex should call their bluff. They just want him to settle. Seems if they had enough to make a ban stick there would be no deal offer.

    They were supposed to make the “announcements” Monday and it was down to 8 players. Not enough evidence against the rest. Someone alert MLB Monday has past and it’s now Thursday.

  35. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Buster-

    Apparently so.

    Let’s hope the draft classes are good ones and they draft well.

    Many think they did well this year.

    If they had an even better draft class who knows ? Even better ?

    ;)

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Warning – yes. Gio Gonzalez obviously did. And immediately protested his innocence when his name was released, way back way, an apparently was able to prove it.

    In this case, silence just probably screamed affirmation.

    I’m telling you that when everyone was calling Canseco a crackpot liar when he published Juiced, I immediately said he was right on the money. What Canseco did, if false, was grounds for immediate slander per se. And not one of the named perpertrators went anywhere near that.

    You’ve seen the same thing with Biogenesis. Gonzalez immediately spoke up and was vindicated.

    My true belief is that the proof against Arod is overwhelming. In addition, Bosch would have been pretty foolish to offer Arod written doumnts for $$$$ if there weren’t any.

    They’re now saying Cervelli is close to making a deal with MLB. If Arod provided the Biogenesis information to other players and they are admitting it, he’s in even deeper.

    ************

    “Good evening Hans…. mind your manners :)

    chicken – he has none. Or put another way, you can’t embarass an ignorant person. Let him just continue to look like a white-trash over-the-hill punk. It fits him well.

  37. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    The Other Phil July 31st, 2013 at 7:02 pm
    “What I was offering obviously wasn’t good enough for the opposing teams, and what the teams were offering me wasn’t good enough from my perspective,” Cashman said.

    Exactly. Cashman getting killed for not making a deal, just for the sake of making a deal. So if other teams offered a low A or middling AA player, he should have taken it, just to get rid of Hughes or Joba? The team decided they weren’t sellers but buyers, so they wanted value that would be helpful to the team now, not throw away players to get less in return, just because some fans want him to do that.

    Again, some people on here have been playing too much PS3 with cheat mode on.

    —————————–

    So sensible…maybe you need to be ‘simpler’ to have some others to actually understand the ‘trading process’..

    (maybe try … s-l-o-w-e-r ?)

  38. chicken_stanley July 31st, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Trisha – gonna step out of the middle… like both of you :)

  39. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    chicken_stanley July 31st, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    Good evening Hans…. mind your manners :)

    Hey Stanley. How goes it. Lovely evening eh?

  40. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    Don’t settle Alex. You can do this. You can WIN! The team needs you!!!!!

    Truuuuuuust me.

  41. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West July 31st, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 6:45 pm
    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West July 31st, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    I wish Dr. James Andrews would look at my shoulder.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    If you’re serious, I can get you an apointment.

    ——

    Thanks for the offer. I guess I’m a little of both.

    I would love the opportunity to have best and most trusted orthopedic surgeon in the country tell me exactly what kind of damage I’ve got in my shoulder but the problem is that I live on the other side of the country (30 miles south of Chicago) and my insurance would never cover it.

    Again, though. Thanks for the offer.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    No problem

  42. chicken_stanley July 31st, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Hi Hans. Lovely evening in Downtown Sioux City…. looking forward to the game

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    chicken – you can absolutely like that putz. They say there’s no accounting for taste. But I can certainly understand why you like me! And the feeling is mutual.

    :)

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Bustero – :)

  45. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Chicken-

    Iowa or South Dakota ?

  46. NYYROC July 31st, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    I don’t believe PH will accept a QO. $15MM (or whatever it will be) is great for 1 year but he has to think of the rest of his career.
    If he accepts it is another year at YS. Another year of HRs, being booed off the mound, standing in front of his locker answering questions about the HRs and another year of possibly losing his job in the rotation. This will do nothing but drive his FA value down even further.
    I believe someone will offer him a multi-year deal. It may be short term, small value due to his struggles. But he’ll get one. If not he could take a 1 year deal to re-establish his value and get the multi-year deal after 2014.
    We’ve seen him in 2012 and 2103. Going back to YS in 2014 would be career suicide. This is not just another off season for PH. The decision he makes will determine the direction his career takes.

  47. chicken_stanley July 31st, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    MTU – Iowa this week and next. Planning on driving to Field of Dreams field this weekend.

  48. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Thanks for satisfying my curiosity.

    Have fun.

  49. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Downtown Sioux City

    Iowa? I was in Iowa at the end of June. When horseback riding along the Cedar.

  50. NYYROC July 31st, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    I also don’t believe that PH is a lock to stay in the NYY rotation. If he continues to struggle and or the NYY keep slipping away, there is no reason to keep pitching him every 5 days. He will leave as FA. Or as some believe the NYY don’t really want him back. So what is their obligation? They would then make sure that Nova, Phelps and Pineda start because those are the guys they will need next year.
    Also if PH ends the year in the pen, no way he accepts QO.

  51. Pat M. July 31st, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Tricia…..Quoting The Moody Blues , liking that. Heading up to Chavez Ravine sitting by the leftfield foul pole about 6 rows up….Go Yanks

  52. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    It isn’t like the Yanks stood pat at the trade deadline, they traded for Soriano. Things aren’t as BLEAK as they might appear after reading this board.

    Unlike a lot of teams the Yanks have some hitters coming off the DL to which should add some life. Jeter is now playing, Granderson very soon, & perhaps ARod will get to finish this year with Nunez haven returned not very long ago. Also, Pineda & Phelps are available to pitch as Starters.

    Romine has shown some signs of life too as a BUC.

  53. blake July 31st, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Pat M. says:
    July 31, 2013 at 7:21 pm
    Tricia…..Quoting The Moody Blues , liking that. Heading up to Chavez Ravine sitting by the leftfield foul pole about 6 rows up….Go Yanks

    Hey moon the camera so we know it’s you!

  54. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Not too much Cash hate today in here?
    Hard to read lately, but if there was, well, he did keep all prospects safe, which is a requirement for Cash love.
    Young was a theft waiting to happen all along, as there is collusion amongst teams trying to destroy the Yankees with the new CBA awaiting.
    Try Lilli at 1st, at least we know he can field.
    There will still be moves just not thievery.
    Not much is out there.

  55. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Pat M.-

    Lucky you. What a great pitching matchup.

    Has all the makings of a classic pitcher’s duel.

    Wish I were there with you. I’m envious.

    I’d love to see Puig live. What an exciting young player.

    :)

  56. blake July 31st, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Cashman couldn’t do much….ownership wouldn’t let him sell and there wasn’t much he could afford to buy…..so here we are. We’re all in though!

  57. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Hughes should pitch great in SD which is a great pitcher’s ball park. I’m not giving up on Hughes just like I didn’t give up on Nova. IMO Hughes’ struggles this year could keep him here next year & I think the Yanks need him as well.

  58. blake July 31st, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Pat M,

    I would love to be there tonight ….lucky dog

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    “Tricia…..Quoting The Moody Blues , liking that. Heading up to Chavez Ravine sitting by the leftfield foul pole about 6 rows up….Go Yanks”

    Bring us good luck Pat M!!! Wear your Yankee cap too so we can see you!!! I’ll be looking for you!

    :)

  60. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    I wouldn’t be so sure that A-Rod is toast.

    When legal eagles get involved in these kinds of cases you never know how this thing will shakedown.

    We all thought Bonds and Clemens were screwed and we saw how those instances turned out.

  61. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Blake-

    You have your new found passion to keep you busy.

    Just be nice to Manning.

    ;)

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Unless Arod’s attorneys can find someone to lie for him, the way Andy eventually did for Clemens, he’s probably in a world of hurt.

    Anything can happen. His chances for the HOF have probably been totally destroyed, I would say.

  63. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    I think the Yanks may get Konerko still as he will clear Waivers IMO. There could be some others too that may.

  64. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    blake July 31st, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Cashman couldn’t do much….ownership wouldn’t let him sell and there wasn’t much he could afford to buy…..so here we are. We’re all in though!

    ———-

    If Cashman is really that hamstrung these days then I don’t see him sticking around after his current contract expires.

    Which would be fine with me.

  65. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    I guess the D’back’s were really fed up with Kennedy ?

    They basically let him go for 1 good left-handed reliever.

    I thought they’d make another move to backfill their rotation.

    I don’t think they’re going to be able to stay with the Dodgers now.

    Sort of puzzling to me.

  66. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Hello trisha!
    IMO, ARod is trying to find a way to play this year & he will gladly take most if not all of next year off. Once ARod plays this year then the Yanks will be hard pressed to void his contract. If MLB bans him for life, I think ARod will have a good case against MLB.

  67. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    kennedy’s a little weird and gibson’s a freakin maniac.

    im not surprised at all that he go shipped out.

  68. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Ray-

    I expect some waiver wire claims as well.

  69. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Y’s-

    That doesn’t sound like the way to make sound baseball decisions.

    But OK.

    ;)

  70. Hankflorida July 31st, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Comnsnse, “As the days dwindle down to a precious few,” and as these words from the
    “September Song” from “Knickerbocker Holiday” become more real to us, we have to be grateful that you and Me, as you so aptly put it, saw 10 World Series wins and 15 pennants in 17 years. As a die hard Yankee fan who heard Lou Gehrig’s speech on the radio as what it meant to be a Yankee player, I will watch the second Wild Card race every day until the Yankees are mathematically out. Barring any injury, Granderson, Gardener and Suzuki will play the outfield with Overbay at first, Cano at second, Jeter at short and Soriano at DH. Whoever plays catcher or third base is of no importance because our team resembles more of a National League lineup, and we have to live with that fact. I am hoping that during the off season, the cap will not impede the the signing of Cano and Granderson and the advent of new blood to fill a power corner outfielder and third base. Old Yankee fans never die, we just fade away.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Ray – I admittedly have no idea exactly what Arod is up to except that, per usual, it’s no good.

    :)

    If MLB bans him for life, he’ll probably never touch a baseball diamond again except maybe as a little league coach (hey kidsh, roll up your sleeves. I’m gonna give you something to make you the besht little league team in town!) The process will take so long that his contract would probably expire by the time something like that got into court!

  72. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Not getting no Ichiro tonight as he hits leftys .
    Nunez at 3rd could have helped.

  73. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    I guess the D’back’s were really fed up with Kennedy ?
    ====================
    MTU
    He was prolly pulling his “What Me Worry” act again as he crashed and burned this year.
    You know, bragging about his mediocre outings….at least Nova has learned not to do that.

  74. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Franlky I’m kind of surprised to see Trisha turn on a NYY like this but I suspect she realizes it’s nothing personal against Arod, it’s just a simple calculation about what’s good for the team. And that 25 M in 2014 is incredible for the team and if Arod never suits up a broken down overpaid 40 year old, also good for the team.

  75. chicken_stanley July 31st, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Hans – excuse the ignorance, not familiar with Iowa… is Cedar a river? Near Cedar Falls? Just wondering. Staying in Cedar Falls Fri night

  76. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Mick-

    Could be. As someone said earlier, that “Alfred E. Neumann” act wouldn’t go over well with a guy like Gibson.

  77. TrueYankee July 31st, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    I have an issue with this lineup.

    #1- Romine has been hitting better. Stewart is terrible. I can no longer stand watching him every night.

    #2- Nunez should be playing 3rd and Lili should be playing 1st. Did Girardi not see Nix’s ab’s yesterday? Terrible.

  78. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Arod came in here trashing Jeter.
    Not even Reggie, “The Straw that Stirred the Drink,” got off on that bad a note.

  79. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Mostly true except the Lifetime ban will be overturned as the Union will make sure it goes to arbitration. I expect 150 to 200 game ban via arbitration & also I expect he will get the option to play (via a judge order) until it is arbitrated. JMO.

  80. sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    This team just keeps getting worse and worse and they’re not even adding or removing players. This lineup is a total joke.

  81. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    MTU-There is no doubt in my mind that teams were trying to hold us up for prospects.
    Many here might have liked to see some go for vets but Cash stood his ground, under orders from Hal.

  82. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Would love to eavesdrop on Girardi Cashman meetings around the TD.

    Joe: I need a RF, 3B, SS, C if it’s not too much trouble.

    Cashman: You have Nixie, Adams, Nunez, Stewart and Romine. What more do you want? Sheesh! (mumbling) greedy SOB

  83. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Of course we don’t know what MLB has offered ARod as far as a plea deal goes, but I would bet an Arbitrator would use it as a measure to go by in making a decision. A Lifetime Ban is harsh no matter which way you look at it & truly hard to justify outside of a Court conviction of a Felony or maybe Gambling.

  84. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    A-Rod didn’t “come in trashing Jeter.”

    He dissed Jeter in that infamous Esquire article in 2001 and wasn’t traded to the Yanks until 2004.

  85. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Joe: I need a RF, 3B, SS, C if it’s not too much trouble.
    =============================
    Maybe they know something about Arod.
    We will get catching and RH 1B help.
    SS and RF are fine.

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    “Franlky I’m kind of surprised to see Trisha turn on a NYY like this but I suspect she realizes it’s nothing personal against Arod, it’s just a simple calculation about what’s good for the team.”

    Absolutelty BINGO. Team and its reputation always comes first. He might be a lot of fun to hang with. He’s toxic to the game we all love.

    **********

    Ray – wishful thinking perhaps? ;)

  87. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    GF- Still trashing.

  88. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    A little harsh aren’t you?

    RF platoon of Ichiro & Wells should be okay. Grandy in LF truly helps & moves Soriano to DH & some OF. SS Jeter & Nunez is better than a lot of teams play.

    I have to agree with you on C & 3B & add that 1B is kind of scary against a LHP.

    I wonder if Soriano can play 3B & if Wells could play 1B.

  89. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Mick,

    Or Cashman really likes Lillibridge.

  90. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    I defer to you! Perhaps I am looking thru this with Pinstripe eyes that are dilated in PEDs.

  91. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    A-Rod didn’t “come in trashing Jeter.”

    He dissed Jeter in that infamous Esquire article in 2001 and wasn’t traded to the Yanks until 2004.

    —————

    And even when he apologized he was still disliked for it.

  92. mick July 31st, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Nunez should be at 3rd , there is no need for 2 utility men like Lilli and Nix.
    Somebody needs to go if/when they get a RH 1B, unless they intend to play Lilli there.

  93. mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    And even when he apologized he was still disliked for it.
    ============================
    b/c nobody believes a word he says.

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    “I expect he will get the option to play (via a judge order) until it is arbitrated. JMO.”

    Not thinking so since MLB is purportedly going after him under the CBA.

    New news:

    MLB prepared to ban A-Rod for life, suspend eight others

  95. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Not exactly.

    A-Rod made his comment about Jeter 3 years before they were teammates.

    Reggie made his comment after George signed him to a contract.

    Nonetheless, that comment A-Rod made was the primary reason why Yankee fans didn’t want to accept him.

  96. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    I understand the toxivity issue, but I think he is being singled out & is the big scapegoat for tons of other users (especially in Beantown!). Besides I truly like goats! LOL!

  97. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    If Cashman is really that hamstrung these days then I don’t see him sticking around after his current contract expires.

    ———————–

    It’s the same song and dance and then he re-ups for 3 yrs

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    “I defer to you! Perhaps I am looking thru this with Pinstripe eyes that are dilated in PEDs.”

    :D

  99. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:00 pm
    And even when he apologized he was still disliked for it.
    ============================
    b/c nobody believes a word he says.

    ———————————————–

    Well don’t worry they won’t have to deal with A-rod and his reign of terror much longer.

  100. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    And even when he apologized he was still disliked for it.
    ============================
    b/c nobody believes a word he says.

    ——–

    Um, that was 12 years ago. MLB’s perception of A-Rod now is nothing like it was back then.

  101. mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    A-Rod made his comment about Jeter 3 years before they were teammates.

    Nonetheless, that comment A-Rod made was the primary reason why Yankee fans didn’t want to accept him.
    ===============================
    I don’t care when he said it. When he said it, he became Public Enemy #1.
    Anyway you seem to agree with me…

  102. mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Well don’t worry they won’t have to deal with A-rod and his reign of terror much longer.
    ==============
    oh stop playing the victim card

  103. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Nunez doesn’t have a role on this team now that Jeter is back. His defense was ok when he was playing everyday but if he is only going to play once a week or so he will be terrible defensively. The roster is really a mess.

  104. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    A-Rod didn’t “come in trashing Jeter.”

    He dissed Jeter in that infamous Esquire article in 2001 and wasn’t traded to the Yanks until 2004.

    —————

    And even when he apologized he was still disliked for it.

    That’s exactly what happened. Then he was humble enough to move to 3rd base even though at that point in time he was a much better defensive SS then Jeter.
    He hardly came to the Yankees “Trashing Jeter.” That’s a real exaggeration of what actually happened.

  105. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    No, mick. We don’t really agree.

    A-Rod may be hated by most everybody but the guy has the reputation of being a good teammate.

    Reggie was not a good teammate.

  106. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Honestly Id play Nunez at 3B….I know he’s a adventure defensively there but they need his bat on the lineup

  107. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Kay asked Cashman about Nunez playing 3B and he basically said it was up to Girardi…..which is a change from his prior stance of SS only.

  108. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Mick-

    Maybe we’ll get Young off the waiver wire ?

    I have to say I was disappointed at not adding anyone else but I understand that we can’t force people to trade with us or accept poor value in return.

    Our problem remains that we have far too many below replacement level guys playing for us.

    I still think we’ll need more than Jeter, Grandy, and Soriano to get it done.

    And by get it done I mean grab a WC spot.

    That’s my take.

  109. mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Defend Alex all you want, you are in the minority, not that it matters.

  110. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    That is very true! Besides Jeter had to buy off on bringing ARod in the 1st place & he did.

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    “I understand the toxivity issue, but I think he is being singled out & is the big scapegoat for tons of other users (especially in Beantown!). Besides I truly like goats! LOL!

    If he’s being singled out, he’s more than earned it. Hell, he’s a worse disgrace to the game than Barry Bonds was, and you gotta go some to do that. At least Bonds never tried to knock the ball out of someone’s hand in an effort to fraudulently get on base!

    Tell me Ray. Were you impressed with his flirting with females in the stands and giving them his phone number while his team was losing a playoff game?

    He is a blight on the game, an embarassment and a black mark on the sport I love the most – and all of that somehow gets transferred to the team I love.

  112. mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    I still think we’ll need more than Jeter, Grandy, and Soriano to get it done.
    ==================
    MTU- I agree.
    Full seasons from guys like Tex, Jeter and Grandy, not to mention the infamous Mr Rodriguez would have been nice but I guess that is all Cash’s fault…

  113. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Actually Reggie was loved by most except Billy Martin & to some degree at 1st by Munson. Reggie had quite an ego but he was a good teammate still!!

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Sorry. Link to the article:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/.....s/2606319/

  115. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    @ProspectInsider: The Cubs are loaded. My goodness. Bryant the biggest name in the Boise roster but he’s far from the only big talent.

    They got that way by being honest with themselves and realizing they werent any good…..took a couple of steps back and now they are heading forward…..they were stuck in the middle for years because they were afraid to admit that they stunk. Theo has done a great job in Chicago

  116. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    That is very true! Besides Jeter had to buy off on bringing ARod in the 1st place & he did.

    True. Disliking a player is one thing. But to make crap up about them, even if it’s due to ignorance of the subject matter is another thing.

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Gotta run to do some errands. See you game time or sooner.

    :)

  118. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    @TheOnion: Report: Alex Rodriguez Has Asked 4 In 5 Americans For Steroids http://t.co/xo8T0PdtXH

  119. Bronx Jeers July 31st, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Reggie had 1 friend. Fran Healy.

  120. mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Reggie was forgiven as he came in a winner.
    Arod never won a thing till 09.
    In a lot of ways , he suffered the same fate Winfield did.
    It’s just about winning in NY.

    “Not that there’s anything wrong with that…”

  121. Nick in SF July 31st, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    “They got that way by being honest with themselves and realizing they werent any good…..took a couple of steps back and now they are heading forward.”

    Critical thinking exercise, blake: If your point above is to contrast the Cubs’ situation with that of the Yankees, can you offer a rebuttal to what you just wrote here?

  122. comnsnse July 31st, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    HankinFlorida, great memories and doubtful any pro sport’s franchise will ever rise to those heights again.

    Here’s a question for the posters, how many of you are “inheritors” of Yankee fandom from your Dads?

    Mine used to recall the days of Ruth, Gerhig Meusel, Coombs,Dickey whom I still believe is the greatest Yankee catcher of all time, and especially Lazzeri.

    I just received a picture of the three San Francisco Yanks from another friend in Fla.in street clothes leaning against a 1930′s car, DiMag, Crosetti and Lazzeri.

    Maybe one day we’ll connect in Fla. and I’ll bring the picture,so hold the memories.

  123. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Mick-

    I’m not into the blame game.

    I’m practical and just want things fixed.

    I think it’s time for some new blood in Yankeeland.

    And that means from the top down.

    Sometimes change is needed, and sometimes it’s good.

  124. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:04 pm
    Well don’t worry they won’t have to deal with A-rod and his reign of terror much longer.
    ==============
    oh stop playing the victim card

    —————————

    Not playing the victim card just don’t understand a guy being demonized because he took roids. Do Yankee fans think those 4 WS titles were clean? Do they think getting rid of A-rod means no one on the team is doing something illegal? What happens yrs from now when a future great prospect gets busted will he be demonized too?? This is a franchise that has had womanizers, dug users, wife beaters, alcoholics, etc but a guy that does roids no he has crossed the line lol please.

  125. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:10 pm
    “I understand the toxivity issue, but I think he is being singled out & is the big scapegoat for tons of other users (especially in Beantown!). Besides I truly like goats! LOL!

    If he’s being singled out, he’s more than earned it. Hell, he’s a worse disgrace to the game than Barry Bonds was, and you gotta go some to do that. At least Bonds never tried to knock the ball out of someone’s hand in an effort to fraudulently get on base! **I understand where both of these guys are coming from. Bonds-> Mac & Sosa. ARod -> Ortiz & the OF guy in Texas & Pujols & Miggy.**

    Tell me Ray. Were you impressed with his flirting with females in the stands and giving them his phone number while his team was losing a playoff game? **No, but I’m sure he wasn’t the only one doing it either.**

    He is a blight on the game, an embarassment and a black mark on the sport I love the most – and all of that somehow gets transferred to the team I love. **That I agree with. PEDs is a total black mark. But ARod isn’t the mark. 60 to 80% of the players use PEDs. Make a goat of ARod is just wrong w/o the whole blight.**

  126. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    “Critical thinking exercise, blake: If your point above is to contrast the Cubs’ situation with that of the Yankees, can you offer a rebuttal to what you just wrote here?”

    It’s not directly about the Yankees…..because its not exactly the same situation…..just sayin that’s where the cubs are and there are some parallels if not about where the yanks are now…..about where they could be headed if things don’t change

  127. Nick in SF July 31st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Reggie also had some friends on the Love Boat — or are we just counting NYY teammates and/or non-scripted characters?

  128. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Actually Reggie was loved by most except Billy Martin & to some degree at 1st by Munson. Reggie had quite an ego but he was a good teammate still!!

    Those guys on that team were not prima donnas. Reading October Men shed a hole new light on that team for me. Besides Martin getting fired and Lemon taking over the best thing that happened to that team was the papers going on strike.

  129. Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    I can totally imagine all the Yankees higher ups/brass around a tv with champagne. Once it is announced that he is suspended, they all celebrate, pop bottles, and high five.

  130. Nick in SF July 31st, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    “It’s not directly about the Yankees…..because its not exactly the same situation…”

    Cajun filet biscuit privileges maintained.

  131. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    The Mets and Cubs both lied to themselves for years….they finally got real and tore it down and rebuilt. My point wasn’t that I want the Yankees to do that exactly….my point was about self evaluation. Teams that are good are good at self evaluation

  132. mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Not playing the victim card just don’t understand a guy being demonized because he took roids.
    ===============================
    cmon….there is more to him than just taking roids and i think you know that.
    people have a right to dislike him , for whatever their reasons are.
    others have taken roids and not suffered the dislike.

  133. Hans Davenport July 31st, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Stanley, I was talking about the Cedar River. Sorry, thought you lived in Iowa.

  134. Nick in SF July 31st, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    “We lied to ourselves
    for a while
    in our usual style
    we wish we could lie to ourselves again”

    – Yo La Tengo

    They’re Mets fans. Now I get it!

  135. joecembrale July 31st, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 8:11 pm
    Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Actually Reggie was loved by most except Billy Martin & to some degree at 1st by Munson. Reggie had quite an ego but he was a good teammate still!!

    In 81, Nettles did drop him like a bad habit, though.

  136. blake July 31st, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Nick,

    You get what I’m saying….my point was merely that the cubs finally stopped trying to patch together something every year and fix it right…..they still aren’t good yet but they have hope now aa

  137. pat July 31st, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    I knew Vernon would get involved….

    DanBarbarisi
    Michael Young pal Vernon Wells said he counseled Young about waiving No-Trade Clause. “He was ready to go. I don’t know what happened.”

  138. Rob_NY July 31st, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Just A Guy posting here but I noticed Pat M’s earlier post about how the Baseball IQs at the Hud have fallen off the past few years and wanted to second that. It got to the point where the comments section was basically CTRL + F and type in 8-9 names. Most of those names are gone now. Chad still does a great job but the level of discourse down here is, not the same. Let’s go Yanks. JMO, YMMV, etc. etc.

  139. Nick in SF July 31st, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Michael Young pal Vernon Wells said he counseled Young about waiving No-Trade Clause. “He was ready to go. I don’t know what happened.”

    At some point he figured out that he would have to be on the same team as Vernon Wells?

  140. Bronx Zoo July 31st, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Arod Update …………………..

    http://www.tennessean.com/inte.....ck_check=1

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Ray, I love you dearly but IMO you’ve entered into the realm of hopeless Arod romantic.

    “No, but I’m sure he wasn’t the only one doing it either.**”

    Sorry but I definitely have to :roll: on this one!

    “60 to 80% of the players use PEDs. Make a goat of ARod is just wrong w/o the whole blight.**”

    Ya see, it’s tough to punish someone without evidence. So you have to catch them. Then you punish them. But to giddily turn your head on someone who has been caught – TWICE – and God knows how many other times we don’t know about – only encourages that 60-80% (I’m doubting that number massively, BTW) – it only encourages them to continue with their “tomfoolery”. I’m with Yale graduate Fay Vincent*, the commissioner ousted because the owners didn’t want to buy into his vision. To parapharase what he has said – get Arod’s raggedy ass out of the game now, for the good of the game. (that’s the way I read it anyway. ) :)

    * Baseball lost an individual who was honestly seeking to preserve and improve the game. He had a definite plan to move forward with drug testing that included steroids and amphetamines. Every owner was aware of this drug policy, but no one would embrace it for the better part of a decade. Vincent’s departure constituted the last true and honest effort to maintain integrity in the game of baseball.

    It became very clear to many who followed baseball that the owners were not interested in appointing an independent commissioner. Instead, they were looking for a puppet, and Vincent simply wasn’t their man. One reporter asked retired baseball executive Lee MacPhail if he would be interested in the job of interim commissioner. His response was, “God forbid; it isn’t anything I’d look forward to.”

  142. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 31st, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Oops. Link for above quotes:

    http://www.steroidsinbaseball......ncent.html

  143. Nick in SF July 31st, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    blake, kudos to the Cubs, but as you said, their situation is/was very different from that of the Yanks. They were trying to patch things together while losing or being so-so.

    There is no way the Yanks can ever arrive at the exact same situation that the Cubs have been, but they could get a little closer to getting the same kind of leeway that the Cubs are getting from their fanbase with new ownership and a new front office. Nothing we can do to bring that about unless we all join the fan boycott.

  144. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    mick July 31st, 2013 at 8:19 pm
    Not playing the victim card just don’t understand a guy being demonized because he took roids.
    ===============================
    cmon….there is more to him than just taking roids and i think you know that.
    people have a right to dislike him , for whatever their reasons are.
    others have taken roids and not suffered the dislike.

    ————————–

    Such as what cheating on his wife, being fake, not winning as much as ppl thought he should, etc.

  145. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    @TJQuinnESPN

    Sources tell OTL A-Rod and MLB are negotiating over a possible suspension, with MLB still holding out threat of lifetime ban.

  146. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    @TJQuinnESPN

    A-Rod (via his atty) has said he will appeal any suspension. But sources said after being told of MLB’s evidence, A-Rod’s reps are talking

  147. joecembrale July 31st, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    On June 24, 1992, Fay Vincent permanently suspended pitcher Steve Howe for repeated drug offenses. Vincent was incensed when upper Yankee management (Buck Showalter, Gene Michael, and Jack Lawn) agreed to testify on Howe’s behalf, and threatened them with expulsion from the game:
    “ You have effectively resigned from baseball by agreeing to appear at that hearing…. you should have left your conscience and your principles outside the door. ”
    The three men were unaffected by Vincent’s hyperbole, testified for Howe as promised, and remained active in baseball. Three months later, Vincent was removed from his job as commissioner. An arbitrator overturned Vincent’s suspension of Howe on November 11, 1992.

  148. pat July 31st, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Since 1943, 6 (Fergie Jenkins, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, George Steinbrenner, Steve Howe and Marge Schott) non-plea lifetime bans have been issued by MLB commissioners and all were reversed and/or arbitrated.

    Interesting that half of them have a Yankee connection.

  149. Bronx Zoo July 31st, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Same article says he used in 2010 and 2011

    What a fraud

    Didn’t help him in those years apparently

  150. Jesus Bustero July 31st, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Captain Clutch July 31st, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    @TJQuinnESPN

    A-Rod (via his atty) has said he will appeal any suspension. But sources said after being told of MLB’s evidence, A-Rod’s reps are talking

    ________________

    Dammit!!!

  151. joecembrale July 31st, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    2009 he was on some kind of Kate Hudson steroid.

  152. Bronx Zoo July 31st, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Correction:

    Used from 2010 – 2012

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