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Shoppach available (again)

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s not a possible trade target, but Jerry Crasnick reports that catcher Kelly Choppach has opted out of his minor league deal with the Nationals and has become a free agent. Could be a veteran alternative behind the plate, but it’s worth noting two things – 1. Shoppach was released by the Mariners earlier this season and the Yankees didn’t get him then, and 2. Austin Romine has shown something with the bat lately, so the desire to upgrade might not be so desperate.

Given the Francisco Cervelli situation — setback with the hand, now facing a possible suspension — the Yankees desire for catching depth might be a little higher, but Shoppach really hasn’t hit this year, even in the minor leagues, and it’s hard to say he’d be a definite upgrade.

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224 Responses to “Shoppach available (again)”

  1. DAM23 July 31st, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Could see the Yankees bringing in Jason Bay. Would be par for the course.

  2. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    I’m afraid to read.

    ———————–

    I’ll end the suspense right now. In the article it mentions he has horns, a tail, and wings.

  3. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    like the Molinas, pick up Kelly’s brother ShopVac instead

    ba dum dum – cymbals

  4. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    I have a concept, a decent player at every position. They should have kept Martin. He is far better than what they have. Hal and/or Levine said no.

    Right now, I would try Murphy and Romine. Let’s see what we have. They can’t be worse than Steart, can they?

    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    not for nothing see the game AJ pitched yesterday…
    ————————————————————————————–

    Martin was not the answer. He wants to much $$. NEXT!!!

    So what if A.J. pitched well again last night. I’m sure his next start
    will be awful.
    A.J. if suited for the NL East. Not the AL East.

  5. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Shoppach is a bum. No reason to acquire him unless he agrees
    to play in the minors.

  6. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ion-91838/

  7. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    two consecutive completely lost seasons for Frankie

  8. I Am Winning July 31st, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Romine is 5-10 after the AL break with 3 doubles, and seems to be handling himself well behind the plate. I rather take a chance with him rather than try Shoppach as another low cost veteran that has terrible numbers.

  9. Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Can this team get any GOOD news ? PLEASE !!!

  10. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/…..ion-91838/
    ————————————————————–
    Thanks for posting that. Very clear to me that Bud Selig is doing everything
    he can fair/unfair to “get” ARod and make an example out of him.
    Which is a crime in itself.

    I HATE Bud Selig with a passion. The man has ruined the game for many years
    and now he’s on a personal mission to make himself seem like the hero, who cleaned
    up the game by banning ARod for life.

  11. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    sweeney just suggested that yankees fans are mad at phil because he didnt become a ‘top 5′ pitcher (then added ‘there are only 5 of them’)

    i got news for you sweeney, he’s not a top 100 pitcher, THAT’s what people are disappointed about.

  12. I Am Winning July 31st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    I feel as if Hughes would have a very successful career in the NL. I had the same inclination with AJ, and I was right then, so why not this time too?

    On a side note, I don’t think Joba will be successful for an extended period of time, anywhere in the majors at this point. He seems to be a lost cause.

  13. Hankflorida July 31st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    cigator July 31st, 2013 at 7:00 am
    When the organization doesn’t seem to care, neither will the fans. When ticket sales, merchandise sales fall, maybe they will get the message. I feel like a little kid again watching Jerry Kenny, Horace Clarke, and the Stick. It will be years before this team is fixed, hopefully with new owner, GM and manager.

    I was thirty something when the “Horace Clarke Era” began and had experienced twenty four years of championship baseball. It is then that you appreciate Lombardi’s words, “Winning isn’t everything, it is the only thing.”

  14. TheStraw July 31st, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    JIM BOWDEN ?@JimBowdenESPNxm 1m
    Seattle has been relatively quiet until now….sounds like they are now being very aggressive with Morse,Saunders,Perez & Morales StayTuned

    I’d take either Morse or Morales right now. Preferably Kendrys.

  15. I Am Winning July 31st, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Ys Guy,

    He isn’t even a top 5 pitcher on the Yankees team, that’s why the fans don’t like him.

  16. I am Brett Godner July 31st, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    If part of Cervelli and Monteros plea includes testifying that Arod recruited them (all speculation obviously but there are clues in these articles that he was recruiting and they seem like likely candidates), I wonder if the Yankees finally have there card to void Arods contract stating he is a threat to the workplace.

    p.s. screw all you who don’t accept Godner as your one true deity.

  17. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    arod has enjoyed more fame , money and statistical success aided by PED’s than any other player.

    that’s why baseball is trying to make an example out of him.

    if you’re going to make an example out of anyone, arod is the guy.

    you may disagree with the idea of ‘making an example of’ one player, but you really can’t argue that that one guy shouldn’t be arod.

  18. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    I Am Winning July 31st, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    Ys Guy,

    He isn’t even a top 5 pitcher on the Yankees team, that’s why the fans don’t like him.
    —————————————————————————————————
    I like Hughes as a reliever for the Yankees, not a starter.
    He’s a fly ball pitcher and that is a recipe for disaster at YS.
    Sad but true.
    Hughes is better off pitching in a big ballpark 1/2 the season.

  19. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    We will get none of the Mariner players. The O’s will get a couple from what I hear.

  20. I am Brett Godner July 31st, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I still think Bonds is the ‘one guy’ that needs to made an example. PEDs bought him 2 of the most coveted records in the game.

  21. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    i’ve been saying for some time that the ‘recruiting others’ charge is potentially the key to nailing arod.

    it may not even be that cervy and melky gave him up(though they may have), it could also be that they have communications between arod and boesch that indicates arod bringing them to the clinic.

    if they have solid evidence about this part what’s been rumored, it really can be the nail in arod’s coffin.

  22. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Martin got $6.7M as I recall for two years. Heaven’s no. Can’t spend like the Pirates.

    Guess what? We have the same catchers for next year. Same for 3B. Unfortunately, to other positions may be downgraded.

  23. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    I am Brett Godner July 31st, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    I still think Bonds is the ‘one guy’ that needs to made an example. PEDs bought him 2 of the most coveted records in the game.
    ————————————————————
    Bud is “boys” with Hank Aaron. Do you really think Bonds will be allowed to keep that
    HR record he set all those years ago?
    Bud does not hide the fact that he believes his “boy”, Hank Aaron is still the HR king.

  24. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    and now he’s on a personal mission to make himself seem like the hero

    ————–

    This.

    That’s why every time he was supposed to “retire” he always came back for a couple more yrs.

  25. Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    I’d take Morales in a heartbeat. Not so sure about Morse, depends on cost.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    The Red Sox are no good, they’re lucky, the pundits love them, they’re prospects are overrated etc. etc. Again, the reality both their major league team and farm system are far superior to ours.
    ///

    austinmac, they horded a ton of picks the last couple of years so good for them, but they do not have the the big high-end arms like Ramirez and DePaula expected to shoot through the system as we do.

    Matt Barnes looks to me like he could be special; I was very impressed with him in Trenton even though he got hit. But I have seen Anthony Ranaudo, who is raved about, and I have to scratch my head on that one. The times I have seen him, he’s thrown a straight fastball and has just gotten pounded. Guys like Owens and Webster are way down in the system.

    Other than Barnes, I don’t see any charismatic big-arm type shooting up and making a precocious bid to make the big club anytime soon, and since pitching is kind of important, I will cede superiority to the Yankees in that area. Now, will we screw them up? Well, there is that…possibility.

    But we have some undeniably glitzy arms that can move fast, and hopefully, with Gil Patterson now in the fold, we will at least honor primum non nocere !
    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Fake Pete will have to sit this deadline out sadly too.
    ///

    NOOOO!!!! :(

  27. I am Brett Godner July 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Yeah and I still call Maris the single season leader, but good luck making that stick. Not that Arod has any chance at this point to get there, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he first ended up in Buds cross hairs to keep another roider from passing Ruth and Aaron.

  28. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    and now he’s on a personal mission to make himself seem like the hero

    ————–

    This.

    That’s why every time he was supposed to “retire” he always came back for a couple more yrs.
    ——————————————————————
    If only ESPN had the “cajones” to produce a 2 hour special on
    Bud Selig and his failures as MLB Commish.
    I don’t expect that sort of piece from MLB Network, but ESPN certainly has the resources
    to make that happen.

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    I would take Melky Cabrera and Jesus Montero back onto this team in a hearbeat, but gimme a break that, if they used “enhancements” that Alex Rodriguez coerced them.

    Unless Alex is getting a cut of Biogenesis, recommending “hey – this works for me,” to someone is hardly coercion. I’m sure players discuss this kind of stuff fairly regularly and act on tips they give each other. They’re grown men, not children.

  30. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    JAP,

    Boegartis is a million miles better than any prospect we have. We have one top 50, maybe.Maybe none. Sanchez is rapidly joining the bad year club.

  31. I Am Winning July 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Absolutely. YS is a disaster waiting to happen (well, in progress) for Hughes. He will always give up more homeruns than the average pitcher, but he is setting some records now.

    Hughes stats:
    Home: 6.02ERA 1.46WHIP 304AVG
    Away: 3.02ERA 1.21WHIP 235AVG]

    He is giving up homeruns twice the rate at home, than on the road.

    He should be a much hotter commodity on the trade market right now, but he just isn’t unfortunately.

  32. pat July 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    “if they have solid evidence about this part what’s been rumored, it really can be the nail in arod’s coffin.”

    Distribution and sale of banned substances is outlined in the JDA- maximum of 100 games- but introducing players to Bosch gets a lifetime ban? Only on Planet Bud.

  33. sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    shoppach – meh

    should’ve signed russell martin when they had the chance.

  34. DAM23 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Sounds like Boston got Young.

  35. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    stinmac, they horded a ton of picks the last couple of years so good for them, but they do not have the the big high-end arms like Ramirez and DePaula expected to shoot through the system as we do

    This is just wrong.
    They have Barnes, Ranauldo, Webster, Workman, Owens, and Delarosa.

    Cede what you will, but they have the parts to contribute (now or later) and we don’t.

    We all certainly have different opinions, however, so I respect yours.

  36. Hassey July 31st, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    just because

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usRc2iAg8gI

  37. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Guys like Owens and Webster are way down in the system.

    Webster has made starts for them this year, and Owens just came off about 50 scoreless innings pitched.

    Nothing to talk about there at all.

  38. I am Brett Godner July 31st, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    I would take Melky Cabrera and Jesus Montero back onto this team in a hearbeat, but gimme a break that, if they used “enhancements” that Alex Rodriguez coerced them.

    Unless Alex is getting a cut of Biogenesis, recommending “hey – this works for me,” to someone is hardly coercion. I’m sure players discuss this kind of stuff fairly regularly and act on tips they give each other. They’re grown men, not children.
    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There have been enough mentions of Arod “recruiting” players to Biogenesis that I don’t think its out of the realm of possibility that this happened in the Yankee clubhouse especially considering a few of those names. I don’t think anyone would have to show he twisted any arms to claim he endangers the workplace. Drug dealers never coerce their clients yet get caught dealing at work and see if they dig up grounds to fire you.

  39. pkyankfan69 July 31st, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    just because

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usRc2iAg8gI
    —————————————
    I was 10 when this happened… So awesome!

  40. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    and now he’s on a personal mission to make himself seem like the hero

    ————–

    This.

    That’s why every time he was supposed to “retire” he always came back for a couple more yrs.
    ——————————————————————
    If only ESPN had the “cajones” to produce a 2 hour special on
    Bud Selig and his failures as MLB Commish.
    I don’t expect that sort of piece from MLB Network, but ESPN certainly has the resources
    to make that happen.

    ————————-

    Yea that will never happen. You would need a fan to put together a documentary to get a real look at what happened.

  41. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    We don’t need Shoppach …we have Stewie and his pitch framing wizardry

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    JAP,

    Boegartis is a million miles better than any prospect we have. We have one top 50, maybe.Maybe none. Sanchez is rapidly joining the bad year club.
    ///

    I haven’t seen Bogaerts, but I’ve seen Sanchez, and he has got real power and stud potential. He’s also been throwing runners out and has reportedly improved overall as a defender. I will be in Trenton the minute he gets the promotion, but Murphy’s numbers also fell off some while he was still learning the ropes of the catching position.

    We have a dearth of position players close to the majors, I will not argue otherwise. But pitchers are important, too, and we have some very promising arms that could rocket through the system, and the RedSox cannot make the same claim, so saying their system is “far superior” is inaccurate, IMO.

  43. pat July 31st, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    “Yea that will never happen. You would need a fan to put together a documentary to get a real look at what happened.”

    or an appeal hearing.

  44. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    ” is a million miles better than any prospect we have. We have one top 50, maybe.Maybe none. Sanchez is rapidly joining the bad year club.”

    He is sadly …. He’s a stud

  45. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    I pretty much guarantee the Red Sox farm will be far ahead of the Yankees this winter. Many here will claim bias. How about we produce a good player to prove them wrong?

    I am quite tired of excuses for all the minor leaguers. Big parks, learning a new position blah, blah. You are what the numbers say you are.

  46. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    I’ve seen Bogaerts play a couple of times….that’s about all you need to see….you can tell pretty quickly when a guy is different and he looks like he is….nothing is guaranteed but he’s very talented

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Guys like Owens and Webster are way down in the system.

    Webster has made starts for them this year, and Owens just came off about 50 scoreless innings pitched.

    Nothing to talk about there at all.
    ///

    Where is he again? We have a zillion big arms in A ball and GCL, and we also have Bryan Mitchell who can dial it up, down in high A.

    We have better big-time arms close to the majors. Anthony Ranaudo is the guy they rave about; his fastball is ordinary and very hittable.

    You wanna compare his arm to DePaula’s for instance? Barnes may be very good; saw him opposite Nik Turley. The best pitcher that day, however? Jose Ramirez, who pitched four scoreless innings out of the bullpen in his first AA appearance.

    Ramirez, if he stays healthy, could be in the 2014 rotation.

  48. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    I Am Winning July 31st, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    Absolutely. YS is a disaster waiting to happen (well, in progress) for Hughes. He will always give up more homeruns than the average pitcher, but he is setting some records now.

    Hughes stats:
    Home: 6.02ERA 1.46WHIP 304AVG
    Away: 3.02ERA 1.21WHIP 235AVG]

    He is giving up homeruns twice the rate at home, than on the road.

    He should be a much hotter commodity on the trade market right now, but he just isn’t unfortunately.
    ————————————————————————————–
    Hughes is a fine pitcher and will probably do very well on another team.
    That won’t bother me one bit because it’s been proven that he’s not going to
    succeed as a starter wearing the Pinstripes.

  49. Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Forget Shoppach . . .. If the Yanks are serious . .Go get Mccann out of Alanta…. The Braves have already said they are going to let him hit the open market. I believe they need pitching . . >Send Hughes and some other scrubs …

  50. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    And Boegartis is 20.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Not to mention on our DSL teams, and short season.

    Give me Red Sox arms comparable to DePaula and Ramirez (outside of Barnes) who are close and who can bring it like those two kids.

    Haven’t even mentioned Manny, whose pitching again. He’s 22 years old an pitched in AAA last year as a 21 year old.

  52. pat July 31st, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    StephenHaynes4
    #Granderson walks on four pitches in his second at-bat in the third inning. With Trenton so far, he’s 2-for-4 with two walks.

  53. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Is the trade deadline 1 pm eastern or pacifc

  54. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Ramirez, if he stays healthy, could be in the 2014 rotation

    I’ll believe it when it happens. Till then, produce, even one, top three starter on a staff.

    You keep dreaming those dreams – I’ll wait to see all the talent show up – on either team.

  55. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    I have to say: It is mindboggling to me that there is no word regarding anything Yankees other than A-Rod/Cervelli/Biogenesis….

    Either buy or sell, but the idea that they may do nothing else?
    That is just baffling and frustrating……

  56. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I totally agree.

  57. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    The braves are WS contenders though…. They aren’t dealing their catcher

  58. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    DePaula and Ramirez

    Workman. Or Barnes. Or Delarosa.

    We all have biases, but I choose to look at the facts. Workman has pitched three turns in their rotation, touching 96-97 each time, striking out batters at a good clip and giving up 2 runs in each.

  59. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    sweeney just suggested that yankees fans are mad at phil because he didnt become a ‘top 5? pitcher (then added ‘there are only 5 of them’)

    i got news for you sweeney, he’s not a top 100 pitcher, THAT’s what people are disappointed about.

    ____

    The 4.5 career ERA, the 7 starts this year he didn’t make it through 5, his homer rate, his inability to hold a lead, etc………

    I would have been thrilled if he became a good #3. He couldn’t even do that!

  60. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    pat says:
    July 31, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    StephenHaynes4
    #Granderson walks on four pitches in his second at-bat in the third inning. With Trenton so far, he’s 2-for-4 with two walks.

    Shop him to Texas

  61. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    shoppach – meh

    should’ve signed russell martin when they had the chance.

    —————————–
    Cash wanted him..got shot down by the owners

  62. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    —————————–
    “Cash wanted him..got shot down by the owners”

    Probably happens a lot more than we know about

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    ” is a million miles better than any prospect we have. We have one top 50, maybe.Maybe none. Sanchez is rapidly joining the bad year club.”

    He is sadly …. He’s a stud
    ///

    Haven’t seen him but I have read the reports. We have better pitching in our system than Boston does in theirs and it ain’t close.

    And I guess it’s about time Boston actually had a decent short stop. LOL at some of the flotsam they’ve parked in the most important position on the field.

    We’ve merely had, oh,…Derek Jeter.

  64. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
    I pretty much guarantee the Red Sox farm will be far ahead of the Yankees this winter. Many here will claim bias. How about we produce a good player to prove them wrong?

    ————————–

    Yea that’s a guarantee but I’m sure some Yankee fans on sites like River Ave will come up with something. “The Yankee farm is not as bad as ppl make it seem. Guys struggled but if you look at what they did in these ten days it shows you they are right on par with Boston’s farm”

  65. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Should signed AJ P, or Jaso when they had the chance.

    Both way better than what we have.

  66. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    What are the chances that ARod sues the Commissioner personally for singling him out?

  67. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Haven’t seen him but I have read the reports. We have better pitching in our system than Boston does in theirs and it ain’t close.

    Wow. How can you even say that? Am I missing something here?

  68. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Sounds like IPK might be headed to padres

  69. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    “Haven’t seen him but I have read the reports. We have better pitching in our system than Boston does in theirs and it ain’t close.”

    We shall see….Yanks have plenty of time to screw Depaula and co up

  70. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Blake-

    That’s Towers clearing payroll to add another pitcher.

  71. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    shoppach – meh

    should’ve signed russell martin when they had the chance.

    —————————–
    Cash wanted him..got shot down by the owners

    =======================

    Martin :……….$15,000,000.00 for 2 years

    Stewart : ………..$515,000.00 for 2013

  72. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    RayVT says:
    July 31, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    What are the chances that ARod sues the Commissioner personally for singling him out?

    Zero but that woukd be awesome

  73. Tyler July 31st, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    I think that the Yanks do have some good talent on the farm. I just don’t feel confident in the team developing them or giving them a chance.

  74. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    Sounds like IPK might be headed to padres

    =====================

    Should stay in AZ……and pitch in the Grand Canyon (much better for him)

  75. Tyler July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    The Padres are such a dumb organization. They’ve needed to sell and get some big time prospects for years.

  76. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    MTU,

    Maybe but IPK is only making like 4 million this year

  77. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    shoppach – meh

    should’ve signed russell martin when they had the chance.

    —————————–
    Cash wanted him..got shot down by the owners

    =======================

    Martin :……….$15,000,000.00 for 2 years

    Stewart : ………..$515,000.00 for 2013

    ———————————-
    how this $$$$ spent on crap

    Youkilis……..$12,000,000.00 for 1 year

  78. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    Why is Kennedy in suhc demand but Hughes is not?

  79. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Why is Kennedy in suhc demand but Hughes is not?
    ___

    Salary.
    Kennedy is not about to be a free agent.

  80. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Tyler says:
    July 31, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    The Padres are such a dumb organization. They’ve needed to sell and get some big time prospects for years.

    Yea….they totally overplayed their hand with Headley

  81. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Kennedy might be under control for more time ?

    Hughes is a rental.

  82. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Trade Deadline is 4 PM (EST) & 1 PM (PAC)

  83. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Kennedy might be under control for more time ?

    Hughes is a rental.

    They’re both horrible and belong in big NL parks.

  84. Tyler July 31st, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Yea….they totally overplayed their hand with Headley
    ———————————————————————-

    Yeah it really wasn’t going to get any better than last year for him. They really don’t even have any pieces to trade off to start the rebuild. It might be the most “blah” team in baseball. Nothing exciting in the bigs or the minors.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    DePaula and Ramirez

    Workman. Or Barnes. Or Delarosa.

    We all have biases, but I choose to look at the facts. Workman has pitched three turns in their rotation, touching 96-97 each time, striking out batters at a good clip and giving up 2 runs in each.
    ///

    Workman is 24 and I would imagine will likely get sent to AA. Barnes is good, as I’ve said, but he just got to AA this year. Delarosa has had control problems. They may prove to be decent to good arms, but Jo-Ram is already in AAA and DePaula could be at Trenton to start 2014 and take off from there.

    Manny Banuelos is 22 years old, and were it not for TJ, he’d have pitched all year in Scranton (traveling version).

    Interesting that you don’t mention Ranaudo, who is “close” to the big leagues.

  86. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    shoppach – meh

    should’ve signed russell martin when they had the chance.

    —————————–
    Cash wanted him..got shot down by the owners

    =======================

    Martin :……….$15,000,000.00 for 2 years

    Stewart : ………..$515,000.00 for 2013

    ———————————-
    how this $$$$ spent on crap

    Youkilis……..$12,000,000.00 for 1 year

    =========================================

    Start of year…

    Needed a 3b to replace A-Rod

    Catcher was to be Cervelli.

    Injuries happened.

  87. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    Why is Kennedy in suhc demand but Hughes is not?
    ———————————
    not much dif between those two

  88. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “Give me Red Sox arms comparable to DePaula and Ramirez (outside of Barnes) who are close and who can bring it like those two kids.

    Haven’t even mentioned Manny, whose pitching again. He’s 22 years old an pitched in AAA last year as a 21 year old.”

    ———-

    as much as J Pru and I don’t always see eye to eye, he’s right.

    It’s so easy to be down on the Yankees right now, but they do have some bright spots.

    I think many of us agree that the Yankees need to hit the reset button just a little bit and get the ship righted.

  89. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Might be true but a team would prefer the guy who is under control for longer.

    That’s the appeal.

  90. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    4pm will come and go, the Yankees will make no moves and I will face-palm.
    Again, either buy or sell but to stand at what they have now is lazy and shows they STILL have no plan for moving forward.

  91. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    ARod could infer that the Commish actually encouraged PEDs (Mac, Sosa & even Bonds) & that Bud actually setup the game to make the top players have to use to stay as a top player. There are a lot of seemy sides to Bud that could be brought out to shoot his credibility completely.

  92. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    shoppach – meh

    should’ve signed russell martin when they had the chance.

    —————————–
    Cash wanted him..got shot down by the owners

    =======================

    Martin :……….$15,000,000.00 for 2 years

    Stewart : ………..$515,000.00 for 2013

    ———————————-
    how this $$$$ spent on crap

    Youkilis……..$12,000,000.00 for 1 year

    =========================================

    Start of year…

    Needed a 3b to replace A-Rod

    Catcher was to be Cervelli.

    Injuries happened.

    ——————————————
    the stiff missed a total of a full season in the last 3 years..not even counting this year….

  93. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    always liked IPK – I hope he can get back to being a solid pitcher.

    I’d root for him on any team other than the Sawx.

  94. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Yeah don’t forget about Manny Banuelos.
    I think long term we are fine pitching wise.
    Our offense looks like it will be a problem for many years because our brain trust doesn’t seem to know how to put a plan together.

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    We shall see….Yanks have plenty of time to screw Depaula and co up
    ///

    While that’s true, you gotta hope Patterson’s presence will be felt positively/dramatically throughout the system. Nova certainly benefited from time spent with him. Betances said he “figured some things out” when he was still starting, and Gil was already hired.

    We are so loaded. If they want to go with their idiotic “pitching wins” formula, they’d better make sure they don’t eunuch the guys on the way up, that’s for sure.

  96. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    What are the chances that ARod sues the Commissioner personally for singling him out?
    ———————————————————————–
    I hope so. ARod certainly has the bank account to hire some
    lawyers for a long and expensive fight with Bud

  97. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    “ARod could infer that the Commish actually encouraged PEDs”

    ————–

    ARod could more than infer that MLB has singled out individuals and not applied the same policies to all players.

    What MLB did to Bonds was wrong and probably illegal. They go for big fish to make a point and that’s what they’re doing here with ARod.

    Manny Ramirez was just as “bad” as ARod and you don’t hear a peep.

  98. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 33s

    2 1-2 hours to deadline, a #Yankees official says, “all quiet.”
    __________

    Wonderful……
    I guess I missed where we were in first place and our position moving forward didn’t look as bleak as it feels…

  99. Tyler July 31st, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:30 pm
    always liked IPK – I hope he can get back to being a solid pitcher.

    I’d root for him on any team other than the Sawx.
    —————————————————————————-

    I lost a lot of respect for him in that D-Backs/Dodgers bean ball game. I’m all for pitching inside but throwing at people’s heads intentionally is unacceptable.

  100. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Interesting that you don’t mention Ranaudo, who is “close” to the big leagues.

    ______________

    I didn’t have to. You asked for comps and I gave them to you.

    Again, Depaula is good, but he’s a year removed from his appearance in the Dominican leauge..
    Tons of guys throw 100mph. Including delarosa.
    You didn’t mention age – I didn’t know it was a factor right now. You asked for comps, and I gave them to you.
    Boston has a guy starting now (24, I know) and will stick with the club.
    Barnes and Ranaudo are in AA due to the schedules, not the talent. Boston doesn’t often use AAA as the step up, they use AA.

    You asked for comps, I gave them – I guess we can wait the three years and make the comparisons again, if you’d like. Hopefully something changes in the organization, or we wont’.

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    ARod could infer that the Commish actually encouraged PEDs (Mac, Sosa & even Bonds) & that Bud actually setup the game to make the top players have to use to stay as a top player. There are a lot of seemy sides to Bud that could be brought out to shoot his credibility completely.
    ///

    Well if they’re going to try to saddle ARod with having “corrupted” grown men into taking testosterone, or whatever they’re being accused of, the irony will be thick, since as you imply, Bud has been the Great Enabler. What a joke.

  102. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Alex is guilty.

    Bonds was guilty.

    So are/were a ton of guys.

    Punish them… but punish them all with the same rules and severity. Don’t selectively punish players for the same offenses based on what suits your PR agenda the best.

  103. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    I agree. Cash-No-Money has tried to corner a market of high end Catchers & Pitchers and he has done so with some scattered OF thrown in.

    Boston has gone for hitters who are close to MLB ready.

    It is hard to quantify who is better because as always the team needs are what need to be addressed.

  104. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Tyler,

    forgot about that. agreed, that wasnt cool.

  105. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    More patience is needed with some of our AA position guys.

    One season at a level does not make them an automatic bust.

    Not all development is linear in nature.

    Guys learn and progress, or fail at different rates.

  106. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    I have defended the Yankee organization before as to why they have yet to develop a star pitcher….it’s not easy and while they have some talent down on the farm until they actually do it we have to use caution with assuming their pitching is going to be fine.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    I didn’t have to. You asked for comps and I gave them to you.
    //

    But that’s my point: Ranaudo is their “seasoned” prospect that gets laudatory “reports” but who really just does not have the special fastball. There’s a reason their pitching has basically sucked for the last few years.

  108. Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Wonderful……
    I guess I missed where we were in first place and our position moving forward didn’t look as bleak as it feels—

    –LOL LOL LOL

  109. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    They already changed something important with respect to MiLB pitching.

    His name is Gil Patterson.

    ;)

  110. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Bud is just like everyone else that waved Pom Poms all through the 90s then acted astonished that everyone was on steroids ……

  111. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:32 pm & WTP

    I think ARod would have a very strong case. One which even though ARod could be guilty it was a matter of Bud not being ethical or fair. He could probably throw in a minority type discrimination too. I think ARod could have a very very strong case if BudLite tried to go heavy against him.

  112. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    I hope the Yankees at least realize their mistakes if they let the deadline pass with no action.

    Off the record, they have to know that standing pat while the teams actually ahead of them in the standings are improving isn’t going to go very far.

    I hope they see that selling may have been the right course of action so that might do that in the future. I do understand it’s hard to tell Mariano, Andy, and Derek “hey guys, sorry but we’re not gonna go 100% this season” but it would have been in the best interest of the team longer term.

  113. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    A-Rod is the guy not taking a plea, and he’s a repeat offender…

  114. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    I personally can’t wait to see Depaula pitch.

    Manny Banuelos doesn’t really excite me at all. When a guy has a career like him early, there is usually a reason.

    But, that being said, I’m not trying to argue JP – I’m just being honest.

    The Red Sox are loaded, overrated or not, whatever you wanna call it. They have some good arms and some darn good bats and that gives them flexibility, and makes them more of a threat.

    I simply am not looking at the names – I’m looking at the talent they have that can get more talent if they need.

    If they hit pause now, we’d need three years to catch up to them as a whole in the system. Problem is they aren’t hitting pause.

  115. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Ray-

    He’d have little to lose at that point.

  116. pat July 31st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    RayVT

    It has been discussed if MLB could be sued using RICO statutes for extortion and coersion. The payoff for a win doing that can be 3 X damages and it could bring MLBs anti-trust exemption under review.

  117. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    And supposedly he tried to buy the evidence against him…

  118. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    “ARod could infer that the Commish actually encouraged PEDs”

    ————–

    ARod could more than infer that MLB has singled out individuals and not applied the same policies to all players.

    What MLB did to Bonds was wrong and probably illegal. They go for big fish to make a point and that’s what they’re doing here with ARod.

    Manny Ramirez was just as “bad” as ARod and you don’t hear a peep.
    —————————————————————————————————
    Whether or not ARod or Bonds is found guily in court, the damage has already been done.
    The court of public opinion has spoken. The people, the baseball fans all refer
    to Bonds and ARod as “major” PED/Steroid users.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Barnes and Ranaudo are in AA due to the schedules, not the talent. Boston doesn’t often use AAA as the step up, they use AA.
    ///

    Yeah, and Ranaudo is not any good, so that leaves Barnes as the “special” status type who could make it.

  120. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Not that I like Braun, but how can you charge him 15 games because he failed a prior test that was overturned? Bud is an angry old man with a wimp brain! He needed to be replaced when, well before he ever started. The owners should not own the Commissioner. Another issue ARod could introduce is the collusion of MLB over his salary & the owners direct ties to Bud.

  121. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    But that’s my point: Ranaudo is their “seasoned” prospect that gets laudatory “reports” but who really just does not have the special fastball. There’s a reason their pitching has basically sucked for the last few years.

    They’re pitching sucked because of Wakefield and Beckett. Ours was decent becuase we spent 25M dollars on an ace.

    Lets not draw dumb comparisons.

    Also, if you’re bottom line is that Ranaudo sucks because he sits at 93 or 92 and not 99, this conversation can end due to stupidity right now.

  122. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    UpState July 31st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    joeman July 31st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    sunny615 July 31st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    shoppach – meh

    should’ve signed russell martin when they had the chance.

    —————————–
    Cash wanted him..got shot down by the owners

    =======================

    Martin :……….$15,000,000.00 for 2 years

    Stewart : ………..$515,000.00 for 2013

    ———————————-
    how this $$$$ spent on crap

    Youkilis……..$12,000,000.00 for 1 year

    =========================================

    Start of year…

    Needed a 3b to replace A-Rod

    Catcher was to be Cervelli.

    Injuries happened.

    ——————————————
    the stiff missed a total of a full season in the last 3 years..not even counting this year….

    ========================

    Who else was out there and available to replace A-Rod ?

  123. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    “The court of public opinion has spoken. The people, the baseball fans all refer
    to Bonds and ARod as “major” PED/Steroid users.”

    ———-

    of course.

    but MLB should have an obligation to separate that and treat all players the same regardless of how many jerseys they sell or front pages of newspapers they make.

  124. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Yeah, and Ranaudo is not any good

    I guess it’s you against everyone else who ever wrote anything about him.

    I’ll wait and see on all of them.

    Bottom line is they’re better than us from top to bottom, and if you can’t admit that, there is no sense in trying to continue any rational conversation.

  125. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Again, either buy or sell but to stand at what they have now is lazy and shows they STILL have no plan for moving forward.

    ———————-

    Their plan is what it has been over the past few seasons which get back the injured players because it’s just as good as making a trade.

  126. DAM23 July 31st, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Hearing from reliable source that Yanks will be getting Stanton.

    Unfortunately it won’t be until 2019.

  127. rm July 31st, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    It looks likw A-Rod may actually be a role model:

    Joel Sherman of the New York Post here’s that there’s “some potential” that Nelson Cruz will appeal a suspension for his ties to Biogenesis

  128. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Their plan is what it has been over the past few seasons which get back the injured players because it’s just as good as making a trade.
    ___

    One of those was supposed to be A-Rod though and that is unlikely.
    Youkilis and Tex are out for the year.
    Sadly I agree that is probably still their plan.

    No vision.

    Not that I only blame Cashman, but we need new blood.
    Andrew Friedman.
    Offer the guy A LOT of money and have him come in and fix this mess.

  129. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    pat July 31st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Exactly! We all go down together syndrome. Bring Bonds in to testify that he was coerrced by Bud’s standards on PEDs as well.

  130. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    This day is DRAGGING.

    I wish some news would come down somewhere….

  131. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    The Ian Kennedy-to-the-Padres trade rumor has “legs,” according to Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan.

  132. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I’d rather bring in Mozeliak than Friedman.

    Steal him from the Cardinals.

  133. Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I know …. If we had Russell Martin and his AMERICAN LEAGUE .170 batting average and that golden arm that threw out 20 percent of base stealers we’d be sitting ontop of the AL East by 5 games

    going with Cervelli and Romine with Stewey in the mix was the right move.

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I simply am not looking at the names – I’m looking at the talent they have that can get more talent if they need.

    If they hit pause now, we’d need three years to catch up to them as a whole in the system. Problem is they aren’t hitting pause.
    ///

    Have you gotten a chance to attend any Portland games? Because as I’ve said, Barnes is the only arm I’ve seen come through Trenton who made me say “wow.”

    I have seen DePaula once, and once is enough to see he has an electric arm and can also spin it. Ramirez I saw in 2010 down in Lakewood and he blew me away with his fastball and changeup. I saw him multiple times in Trenton – he’s special. Banuelos I saw a number of times in Trenton, along with Betances, who has more talent than all of them, but who is now in the bullpen. There’s a reason I don’t rave about Brett Marshall, Zach Nuding or Turley: I’ve seen them all, too.

    So, what can you tell me about these Boston can’t-miss guys you’re raving about that I only can learn in second-hand scouting reports? I always like to hear people’s live take better.

  135. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I like the AZ is trying to go for it. Don’t let the Dodgers have a cake walk if they can help it.

  136. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    “ARod could infer that the Commish actually encouraged PEDs (Mac, Sosa & even Bonds) & that Bud actually setup the game to make the top players have to use to stay as a top player. There are a lot of seemy sides to Bud that could be brought out to shoot his credibility completely.”
    =========================================
    all these allegations happened when bud was acting as commissioner, thus would go nowhere in a suit against bud himself.

    of course you can file a lawsuit against anyone, but no court is going to allow that to go forward.

    as long as the commissioner acted as commissioner, its covered by the cba and mlb is the authority doing the punishment, not bud selig the man.

  137. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    “If we had Russell Martin and his AMERICAN LEAGUE .170 batting average and that golden arm that threw out 20 percent of base stealers we’d be sitting ontop of the AL East by 5 games”

    ———–

    thats one thing that’s hard to accept.

    some players, look at freakin AJ!, just do better outside of NY.

  138. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Luis-

    Saw your post from earlier.

    Have a great time at Canaima.

    I’ll be looking forward to seeing the photos of your adventure.

    Don’t take a wrong turn on the Orinoco.

    ;)

  139. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    So, what can you tell me about these Boston can’t-miss guys you’re raving about that I only can learn in second-hand scouting reports? I always like to hear people’s live take better.

    I’m assuming the scouts have seen them. Not sure though – I’m sure you’re probably right. They all suck so bad. Most of Boston’s prospects will probably flame out.
    The track record up there of producing ML players the past ten years has been so much worse than ours.

    Oh, wait…

  140. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 14s
    #yankees are still hopeful to land michael young but they haven’t heard he’d approve a trade to them. #longshot

    why would he? I’d want to go to a contender if I were him…..

  141. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    You can sue an individual who selectively acted outside the bounds of their stated job. Whether he was or was acting/interim, Bud’s position is still the same.

  142. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    So, what can you tell me about these Boston can’t-miss guys you’re raving about that I only can learn in second-hand scouting reports? I always like to hear people’s live take better.

    I can’t tell you anything. Why the heck would I go to Portland games? I look at scouting reports, lists, and you know, the past ten years worth of results between the two systems and draw my conclusions. Call me crazy, but…

  143. astrocityfan July 31st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 12:20pm CST]
    The latest on Phillies third baseman Michael Young…

    •Young is unlikely to waive his no-trade clause for anywhere but Texas, hears Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald, while WEEI’s Rob Bradford has a source who’s not confident Young will accept a trade to any team.
    •It is doubtful the Red Sox will make a move for Young, tweets Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.

  144. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 41s

    #yankees are still hopeful to land michael young but they haven’t heard he’d approve a trade to them. #longshot

    ___

    This reminds me of two years ago when they waited and waited for Cliff Lee and he went to philly, then Pettitte Favre’d us. They get hung up on one target and that’s that, even as it is made clear that target doesn’t want to come.

  145. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Why in the stars would Michael Young want to come here right now?

  146. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Why in world would Young want to stay in Philly. They suck serious wind.

    They are on an even faster train to nowhere than the Yankees.

    Maybe his wife likes the shopping like Lee’s wife.

    ;)

  147. astrocityfan July 31st, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Why not send melky mesa to the cubs for shierholtz. he is exactly what they need

  148. blake July 31st, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 1m
    Sources: #Yankees not getting far in search for third baseman. #Marlins still expect interest in Polanco, but Yankees cool to idea so far.

  149. NYYROC July 31st, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Why not send melky mesa to the cubs for shierholtz. he is exactly what they need

    Because Chicago is already windy enough. :)

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Yeah, and Ranaudo is not any good

    I guess it’s you against everyone else who ever wrote anything about him.

    I’ll wait and see on all of them.

    Bottom line is they’re better than us from top to bottom, and if you can’t admit that, there is no sense in trying to continue any rational conversation.
    ////

    I can only offer what I’ve seen first-hand on Ranaudo. He’s young, so of course he could improve, but he does not possess an innately special fastball. That’s my opinion.

    As for “not admitting” they’re “better” than us, I think that’s a rather presumptuous and self-aggrandizing thing for you to say. I do not agree that they have pitching equal to ours in the minors. I will stand by that opinion. As for position players, I sure don’t need a lecture from you on the Cashman Admin’s failures in keeping and developing position players. But I also know we have some toolsy kids who unfortunately are far away right now.

    That doesn’t mean I’m not excited about guys like Sanchez/O’Brien/Feliz/Andujar/Santana/Heathcott/Williams/Gumbs, because I am. I like Murphy a lot as well, and he is close.

  151. Tyler July 31st, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    MTU July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    I’d rather bring in Mozeliak than Friedman.

    Steal him from the Cardinals.
    —————————————————————————

    I’d take Friedman. Mozeliak is good but he really got lucky on Pujols. The Cards offered him 200 million also. He’s signed some good deals though with Wainwright, Molina, Craig, etc. Friedman is just a beast though. Great GM.

  152. Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Why not send melky mesa to the cubs for shierholtz. he is exactly what they need

    Because Chicago is already windy enough.

    ——–

    LOL LOL LOL

  153. Against All Odds July 31st, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Not that I only blame Cashman, but we need new blood.
    Andrew Friedman.
    Offer the guy A LOT of money and have him come in and fix this mess.

    ————————-

    Money Hal doesn’t want to spend. Hank had his warts but in his brief 08 reign you felt like he cared. He wanted to be hs dad so bad but at least he showed emotion with Hal it’s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfGBk3akzdY

  154. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Polanco? Really?

    We already have nix, lillibridge, adams….

    If polanco was our big move i will be done watching until next yearout of sheer frustration

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    ROC, Mesa doesn’t need wind-aided power. He needs to learn to recognize slop and refashion his swing some. Not happenin’.

  156. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Whatever blows your hair back, JAP.

  157. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Not me. The Cards are the most balanced Team in baseball right now.

    They are great all the way round.

    The Rays are much more one dimensional although their O is better than it normally is with the addition of Myers.

  158. Warning Track Power July 31st, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    pat July 31st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    Exactly! We all go down together syndrome. Bring Bonds in to testify that he was coerrced by Bud’s standards on PEDs as well.
    —————————————————
    That would be awesome. I hope a fine Hollywood writer is working
    on the script as we speak, LOL!!!

  159. pat July 31st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    “Why in the stars would Michael Young want to come here right now?”

    Doesn’t everyone want to be a Yankee? That’s what the players always says when they get traded to NY.

  160. UpState July 31st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Mike Ri July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    I know …. If we had Russell Martin and his AMERICAN LEAGUE .170 batting average and that golden arm that threw out 20 percent of base stealers we’d be sitting ontop of the AL East by 5 games

    going with Cervelli and Romine with Stewey in the mix was the right move.

    ===================================

    Thank you for backing up my defense of not signing Martin in the off-season !

  161. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    So, what can you tell me about these Boston can’t-miss guys you’re raving about that I only can learn in second-hand scouting reports? I always like to hear people’s live take better.

    I can’t tell you anything. Why the heck would I go to Portland games? I look at scouting reports, lists, and you know, the past ten years worth of results between the two systems and draw my conclusions. Call me crazy, but…
    ///

    Oh, well that’s what I do do, when I don’t get to see these guys live. Fortunately, I see a fair amount of AA games because Trenton is so close to my home. I don’t really go off on players I haven’t actually seen for myself, because although reports are useful, they can also be off.

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Speaking for myself, I do not want 36-year old Young, any way. Yeah, he’s a professional hitter, but I am not giving up Hughes for him; let him walk and I’ll collect the pick, given the choice.

  163. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN 3m
    According to a source, the Yankees have been told that Michael Young would accept a trade to New York.

  164. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Young finally willing to waive the ntc for ny

  165. pkyankfan69 July 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    If polanco was our big move i will be done watching until next yearout of sheer frustration
    ——————————————————
    Next year has all the makings to be even worse…

  166. pat July 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    FeinsandNYDN
    According to a source, the Yankees have been told that Michael Young would accept a trade to New York.

    They could have Vernon give him a call and they could find out for sure.

  167. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Time to hit the gym now that I know I have arteries the size of the Amazon.

    Start building myself back up from this ridiculously long layoff.

    Catch you all later.

    Have a good one.

    :)

  168. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    What makes you think hughes would go for young?
    Phillies are not looking to bring hughes in. They know they are out this year…….

  169. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Michael Young will now accept a trade to the Yankees.

  170. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    One good thing about waiver deals. Since Yanks are behind Sox, O’s and Rays, they can block players from going to any of those teams inf they so choose.

  171. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Whatever blows your hair back, JAP.
    ///

    I know not what you mean by that, but to borrow your phrase, it’s pretty clear that Boston’s youth blows your, um, hair… back.

    Nice talking with you.

  172. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    I’d be happy to get Young.

    Please throw in Carlos Ruiz though.

    ;)

  173. pat July 31st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Padres – Diamondbacks expected to make deal that will send Ian Kennedy to San Diego in exchange for Joe Thatcher, Matt Stites and Prospect

    IPK and Phil together again in SD next year?

  174. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I was definitely not in favor of resigning Russell Martin. I did however want them to sign AJ Pierzynski as his replacement.

  175. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Now that San Diego is trading for Ian Kennedy will there be any Teams out there for Hughes?

  176. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I don’t see them wanting Hughes either.

    They need prospects for the future.

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    What makes you think hughes would go for young?
    Phillies are not looking to bring hughes in. They know they are out this year…….
    ///

    I don’t necessarily think that. I’m just being slightly ironic since some here have exclaimed: “Give the Phillies Hughes for Young!”

  178. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Scott Miller ?@ScottMCBS 1m
    Source: Michael Young will accept a trade to the Yankees.

  179. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Jon Heyman ?@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    padres get kennedy in deal from dbacks

  180. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    If we are going to try to work something out with philly, do they have anything else we need?

  181. Tackelberry July 31st, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    What are the Phillies looking for in a deal?

  182. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Young is in fact better than what they have at 3B I guess and he could be the platoon guy at 1B too…..I guess it’s fine if they dont give up too much.

  183. hardwired7 July 31st, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    No thanks on Michael Young, unless they plan on using him as the RH 1B.

    He might be the worst defensive 3B in baseball (over the last 3 seasons, a -6.0 dWAR).

  184. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    I know not what you mean by that, but to borrow your phrase, it’s pretty clear that Boston’s youth blows your, um, hair… back.

    Nice talking with you.

    It just means whatever makes you happy go with that. There is no point to arguing about purely hypothetical situations. Makes no sense.
    Boston’s record of drafting, developing, and using a miL system speaks for itself – as does’ New Yorks. Not much else needs to be said about it, I suppose.
    I’ve just learned to not get all hyped up about NY pitching prospects – the best one in 10 years is being talked about in a trade for a aging third baseman from Philly (or anyone that will take him) and the other one is practically being given away.
    So, nice talking to you as well.

  185. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    All that was said is that Michael Young stated he would go to NY.

    Does it say anywhere that a deal is in the mix?

  186. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Oh boy… Mighty Michael (Joe) Young

  187. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Carlos Ruiz.

    ;)

  188. ac1 July 31st, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    I think we need to accept we will have nix, lillibridge and nunez sharing 3b until september when adams and musty can come up on call ups.

  189. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Joe Thatcher would have been a nice pickup for the Yankees.

  190. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Hughes in Philly, which is small ALL the way around is a disaster waiting to happen, imo.

    If they’re asking for potatoes for young, do it, but they’re not, mostly because of the other teams involved in needs for a bat.

    pass please, Cashman.

  191. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    David Cameron ?@DCameronFG 4m
    Ian Kennedy for a LOOGY, a relief prospect, and a draft pick. Okay, Kevin Towers, I’ve defended some of your decisions, but this is weird.

  192. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    HW-

    He won’t be there for his D as much as his bat, and for versatility.

    He hits about 50 points higher than anyone else we’ve got.

    And he can always be replaced later in games if his D is found wanting.

  193. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Two relievers for Ian Kennedy.

  194. spidanyc July 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    If I remember correctly, Texas was practically giving away Michael Young for nothing last year. I really hope Cashman doesn’t give up anything of significance for a defensively challenged 3B who is an average hitter at best at this stage of his career.

  195. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    David Cameron ?@DCameronFG 1m
    Michael Young actually makes sense for NYY. Allows org to tell fans they made moves, doesn’t cost them anything in likely fruitless chase.

    lol….yup

  196. Yankee Trader July 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    ac1-

    Like MTU I’d be interested in catcher Ruiz.

  197. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I’m assuming the scouts have seen them. Not sure though – I’m sure you’re probably right. They all suck so bad. Most of Boston’s prospects will probably flame out.
    The track record up there of producing ML players the past ten years has been so much worse than ours.

    Oh, wait…
    ///

    Sorry, I missed this. Your attempt at sarcasm is a little misplaced. Certainly touchy about the Red Sox, though. I don’t recall saying they will all flame out, in fact, I wrote at some length here about how good Barnes is going to be, the day after I saw him, and that was off a losing cause on his part, in which he got hit around a bit. I have even declared myself a “closet Matt Barnes fan.”

    I think that would pretty much exonerate me from being someone who is clenching my teeth and predicting/hoping?? that Boston prospects “all flame out.”

    I simply don’t agree with you that they have better pitching in the minors than the Yankees.

  198. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Blake-

    I told you. Clear some payroll. I bet they bring in another pitcher to replace Kennedy.

  199. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Towers has made some curious trades lately…..

  200. blake July 31st, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    “I told you. Clear some payroll. I bet they bring in another pitcher to replace Kennedy.”

    he doesn’t make that much money though……maybe they’ll trade for Hughes.

  201. pat July 31st, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    At the moment, the Yankees haven’t been told that Michael Young would accept a trade to them. Not sure if this is leverage to nudge the RS.

  202. mick July 31st, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    The Great IPK has been traded?
    Wonder if he had an attitude problem.

  203. hardwired7 July 31st, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Hey, MTU. Valid points.

    Just one more legit bat in the lineup could have made a huge difference in so many of these games this season. It’s amazing how much one well-timed hit can affect a game.

    Glad to hear you’re doing well. I hope you have many, many more hikes in your future!

  204. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Blake-

    their budget is tight. 4 mil might make a diff over there.

    Not only that they got some prospects or other things they might need.

    I’m almost certain they’ll bring someone else in because they are still in the hunt.

    They might have someone better already lined up.

    ;)

  205. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    “RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    You can sue an individual who selectively acted outside the bounds of their stated job. Whether he was or was acting/interim, Bud’s position is still the same.”
    ===================================================
    not really. even if bud, while acting as commissioner overstepped the cba, an arbitrator and then the nlrb would be the avenue for correcting that action.

    and as it would still be an action taken as commissioner, bud would still not be personally liable.

  206. mick July 31st, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    What in heck is going on with Michael Young.
    I though all along we would get him but he changes his mind every day.
    Sounds like he’s posturing for the Phils to get more but why would he do that?

  207. ManningRules July 31st, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    rry, I missed this. Your attempt at sarcasm is a little misplaced. Certainly touchy about the Red Sox, though. I don’t recall saying they will all flame out, in fact, I wrote at some length here about how good Barnes is going to be, the day after I saw him, and that was off a losing cause on his part, in which he got hit around a bit. I have even declared myself a “closet Matt Barnes fan.

    No, man. Your declaration of my touchiness is off – lol.
    I’m not touchy about anything Boston – their track record speaks for itself and doesn’t need my support.
    I’m more touchy about the state of the NY system, which I’m very disappointed in. I may be wrong, and you may be right, but there’s no real sense in arguing over it.

    That being said, I’m so tired of waiting for this and waiting for that and NOTHING ever happening with kids from our system. That’s not a exaggeration in any way. It’s always something – new parks, or new leagues, or new coaches, or nagging injuries, or slow development, or something.
    I’m sure you understand the frustration, even though you’re more apologetic for them on the whole.

    Lets put the fire out and have this argument later – when there is actually something to argue about.

  208. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Thanks HW.

    The alternative result really sucked.

    The unexpected one was much better.

    :)

  209. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Even if he used the Ban for Life based on best interest of baseball?

  210. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    the kennedy trade is somewhat curious. attitude and clubhouse issues may well be at work here, you’ve got a pitcher who’s attitude has been questioned before and a manager who’s always had a big chip on his shoulder. combustible situation.

  211. MTU July 31st, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Later.

    This time I really mean it.

  212. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    It is unacceptable to not, at the minimum, get a righty bat to platoon with Overbay. There’s got to be someone out there.

  213. Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    ray, especially in that case. bud selig has no personal power to ban a player, only while acting as commissioner can he do that, thus any action would be against major league baseball and the commissioner’s office, not bud selig.

  214. RayVT July 31st, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Ys Guy July 31st, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Thanks!

  215. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Someone dial up the great Casey McGehee

  216. joeman July 31st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    NYY got interest in Hughes…MLB

  217. RadioKev July 31st, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    Brandon C. ?@nyybrandonc 56s
    Yankees got two offers for Hughes, considering them according to MLBN

  218. Kelvin July 31st, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Hughes has value, Hopefully it’s a prospect bat. Michael Piñeda and Phelps can easily replace Hughes.

  219. BD (Boston Dave) July 31st, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    I would only trade Hughes for something greater than or equal to the comp 1st rd pick.

    My gut tells me the offers are probably not that great. We’ll see.

  220. champ809 July 31st, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    ManningRules

    It’s almost comical that your on here trying to pass as a “realistic” Yankees fan. cherington himself couldn’t do a better job of inflating the value or potential of some of these prospects.

    If you ranked for instance the ceilings of the following pitchers;

    DePaula
    Banuelos
    Jose Ramirez

    Matt Barnes
    Renaudo
    Workman

    the consensus would most likely be from the scouting community

    Depaula
    Banuelos
    Barnes
    Jose Ramirez
    Renaudo
    Workman

    and I’m certain some would rank J Ram ahead of Barnes. Most all would list DePaula and Banuelos as the 2 highest ceiling players of the group.

  221. J. Alfred Prufrock July 31st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    I’m not touchy about anything Boston – their track record speaks for itself and doesn’t need my support.
    I’m more touchy about the state of the NY system, which I’m very disappointed in. I may be wrong, and you may be right, but there’s no real sense in arguing over it.

    That being said, I’m so tired of waiting for this and waiting for that and NOTHING ever happening with kids from our system. That’s not a exaggeration in any way. It’s always something – new parks, or new leagues, or new coaches, or nagging injuries, or slow development, or something.
    I’m sure you understand the frustration, even though you’re more apologetic for them on the whole.

    Lets put the fire out and have this argument later – when there is actually something to argue about.
    ///

    Me? Apologetic for the Yankees? You don’t know how funny that is, but let be.

    No, but I may be a little closer to what we actually have in the system and how viable it may or may not be. And yes I do understand the frustration because I have plenty of my own, but much of that comes in on the development side of things. I would like to think that the Patterson hiring will prove a great tipping point for the pitching, because if they screw up this current wave of jewels, then not even the actual apologists among us will have even grizzle to chew up the scenery with.

    JMO, but if I were you, I would at least be cautiously optimistic about the pitching we have on the farm. Will they all pan out? Of course not, but it’s good that we’re loaded with good arms. And I don’t know how anyone cannot be excited about our young Ivan Nova. BTW, on Ranaudo: he was throwing 94, so nothing to due with velo. When I saw him, the fastball didn’t move much and it was up. Not to mean he was deliberately pitching up in the zone, but that the ball was flat and straight.

    I’ll be glad to revisit our discussion sometime. :D

  222. champ809 July 31st, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    AZ has a lot of arms that they could use for a trade and Kennedy to the SoCal teams looks very good. He will be excellent in San Diego and the guy finished 3rd in the Cy voting 2 yr s ago.

    Arizona on the other hand has Archie Bradley ready to go and Brandon McCarthy will replace IPK in the rotation.

  223. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Warning Track,

    I asked for some cause for optimism earlier, and you gave it to me when you said AROD “has the bank account for a long and expensive fight”. I take good thoughts where I can these days. :)

  224. austinmac July 31st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    JAP,

    You have actual visual observation of the prospects, and I have none, so I defer to you. However, I sure wish we would get some better stats for me to find hope in when I look at every minor league box score daily. Offensively, I have hope for Heathcott.

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