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Getting hard to find the bright side for the Yankees

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter

If you take a deep breath, and put on your lucky Paul O’Neill jersey, and outline the absolute best-case scenario for the Yankees, you just might find a road map that gets them into the playoffs.

If you instead look at the American League standings, you’ll notice that the Royals have a better record.

Since the All-Star break, the Yankees have split with the Rangers and split with the Dodgers (those are the high points of the second half). They’ve also lost two of three against the Red Sox and two of three against the Rays (those are the top two teams they’re chasing in the American League East). The Yankees have also lost two of three against the Padres and taken a three-game sweep against the White Sox (those are sub-.500 teams, and the Yankees badly needed to take advantage of them).

On a Thursday off day in early August, everything positive about the Yankees is hypothetical and requires real best-case-scenario thinking.

• Maybe CC Sabathia can turn things around, pitch like an ace again, and put together a string of starts like he did for Milwaukee five years ago.

• Maybe Alex Rodriguez will be motivated by the negativity, want to prove his talent before an inevitable suspension, and hit like an MVP for two months.

• Maybe Robinson Cano really is one of those elite hitters capable of a career-defining stretch, and he can come up with big hits for about seven weeks.

• Maybe Hiroki Kuroda is a Cy Young pitcher, and Ivan Nova has put it all together, and Andy Pettitte shouldn’t be counted out, and the bullpen is deep, and pitching really is the key to the kingdom.

• Maybe Derek Jeter will use these two weeks to become fully healthy, something about his Jeter-ness will rally the troops, and the Yankees will will themselves into the playoffs.

Or, you know, maybe the Red Sox and Rays and Orioles and Rangers — and Royals! — will stumble along the way and leave the door wide open for a team that hung in there for about a month and a half, but has since looked like a team that’s old and hurt and heading the absolute wrong direction.

Are you wearing your Paul O’Neill jersey? Or are you looking at the standings?

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192 Responses to “Getting hard to find the bright side for the Yankees”

  1. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    “As for firing Cashman, why would they fire a guy who is doing what they told him to do? Cashman has not been shy about saying his hands are tied financially”

    yup..

  2. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    The bright spot is maybe if this Team goes down like the Hindenburg ownership will be forced to abandon 189.

    I doubt it but it’s possible.

  3. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    honestly…..if you look at things objectively. The best course of action for the Yankees the rest of the way would be to put Cano and Granderson and even Kuroda on waivers and get the most you can for them (Kuroda is tricky because he has a no trade and I’d want him back next year so you’d have to talk to him and Cano first).

    Then just play out the string…..they might get the best draft position they have had in years.

    If you trade Cano and Hughes and Granderson and then get a top 15 draft pick then perhaps you’ve at least added some things that can help in the future.

  4. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Who will be back next year ?

    Wells (well you know ……..)
    Soriano
    Jeter
    Tex (a .250 hitter now)
    Gardner
    Stewart (cuz Girardi loves him)
    Ichiro
    Romine

    CC
    Robertson
    Nova

    Perhaps a surprise when Sept. call ups occur ?

    Not a lot to look forward to with that nucleus

  5. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Blake-

    He should be fired because I think they can find someone better for the conditions.

    Either that or move him into a different role where he is not forced to evaluate talent.

    But you are right. He is not the root cause of the problem.

    We both know who that is.

  6. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    MTU,

    I have graduated to hoping they are going to sell.

  7. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    somebody would probably claim Cano just to block the contenders for spite though…..which is why they should have traded him 2 weeks ago.

  8. jacksquat August 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    jacksquat August 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Blake said: I think the issue for me is that this was always probably going to happen…..sure they could have gotten lucky and all these guys have stayed healthy and played like they did 5 years ago but how likely was that ever going to be?

    Many of us saw this coming all off season or at least knew this was a possibility.

    Actually they weren’t reliant on the stopgaps. The team is still in the thick of the race if Tex and Granderson don’t miss the whole season (until now), Jeter isn’t out 2-3 months more than the conservative estimate for his return, plus Nunez and Cervelli, plus CC’s ERA jumping 1.5 runs.

    No one saw all of the above happening.

    The season was not reliant on Youkilis, Wells, Ichiro and Hafner playing like 5 years ago.

  9. William Buckner August 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    A couple thoughts, first, $189 is happening but that’s a one year thing to get out from under luxury tax, though I do think days of $220 million are gone and rightfully so, you can’t build a baseball team on FA alone.

    This season is what it is due to injuries. It was smart to let Swisher walk and there was no FA worth going for. Martin hit .190 through August last year, so while I thought he should be signed, I get it. As Jon Daniels said when Texas was here, there is no Plan B for injuries to key players.

    The team is at a cross roads, commit to true rebuild which means letting Cano, Granderson and other FA go or keeping Cano/Granderson and piece meal around them. Regardless of choice, Cashman should go. The fact that our farm hasn’t produced more then a handful of useful assets is on him. That and some of comments he’s made this year tell me it’s time to move on. It happens in any business.

    Lastly, if they don’t win and don’t put out an attractive team, YES and attendance will get killed. That’s not poor fans, that’s reality. Even this years team I’ve found myself channel surfing.

  10. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    The Yankees will be better in 2014 just by default.

  11. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I’m with MTU, my take is similar: The New York Yankees did not upgrade one position in the off season.

    It’s just that simple.

  12. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    What was the recent assessment of the the minor leagues and the top 10 prospects by position ?

    The Yankees have ZERO players in the top ten at any position

  13. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    “Actually they weren’t reliant on the stopgaps. The team is still in the thick of the race if Tex and Granderson don’t miss the whole season (until now), Jeter isn’t out 2-3 months more than the conservative estimate for his return, plus Nunez and Cervelli, plus CC’s ERA jumping 1.5 runs.”

    they might have been in the race more but still very unlikely to have been a serious title contender…..Tex is in deep decline and hasn’t been an above average player in 2 or 3 years…..Granderson is a legit loss but he’s pretty much homer or nothing…..and Jeter was coming off a very serious ankle injury that takes most players a long time to come back 100% from…..

    there were always issues….some folks just didn’t want to see them.

  14. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    I think Kuroda is going to cost $20 million to come back next year.. and if his reason for playing for us was his best shot at a championship, he might find his way back to LA.

  15. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    We’re having a year like the Red SOx has last year.. Look how quickly they have rebounded. Garza shuld definitely be a big target this offseason. He will not require draft pick compensation since he was traded in the middle of his FA year. Of course, that will make hiim very attactive to other teams as well. Yanks are just gonna have to pony up.

  16. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    They will also have an extra 20-25 mil from A-rod to throw around and will be able to offer multi year contracts to at least one or 2 FA’s.

  17. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    NO way Kuroda costs 20 million! What are you crazy?

  18. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    I would not expect to get anything of value to warrant putting Cano or Kuroda on waivers.

    I would, however make waiver deals for Granderson, Hughes, Joba and Logan because I owuld be afraid of making a QO to any of those guys.

    I make QO to Cano and Kuroda and get the draft pick compensation from what is projected to be a terrific draft.

    All other FA are kissed goodbye at the end of the season. I then plug in young guys and hope they produce and put the word out that the Yankees will definitely be back in the FA signing business in 2015.

    Might as well do $ 189 the right way — all at once.

  19. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I wanna repeat that, since people sincerely overlook it: The New York Yankees did not upgrade one position this off season. They did not upgrade their pitching from 2012, they did not upgrade their offense from 2012, and they did not upgrade their defense from 2012.

  20. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    NO way Kuroda costs 20 million! What are you crazy?

    ——————-

    He costs $16 million now and deserves a raise.

    Besides, he’s much more attractive at that price to other teams on a one year deal. He’s been one of the best pitchers in baseball to not get recognized for it. If he stays in the states, he’ll get it.

  21. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Its a no brainer to make a QO to Granderson. If he accepts, which he probably will, they get him on a 1 year deal for about 13.8 mill. Not too bad. Hughes I would be pretty hesistant at this point to make a QO, but in the end I probably would.

  22. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Doreen-

    Hal’s heart is just not into baseball.

    He needs to stick to the things that he is passionate about.

    That’s the formula for success.

    Let him compete with Trump for who owns the most hotel chains or something.

    Free the Yankees and free the fans.

    Sell to someone who wants to own and run the greatest sports franchise in the history of the
    world.

    And my goodness please take that used car salesman Levine with you.

  23. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    This picture of Jeter makes me sad.

    he looks old, and broken and just out of steam.

    Losing, and sucking for that matter, is contagious. It apparently has made it’s way to the the top…

  24. William Buckner August 8th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    QO to Cano, Kuroda, Granderson, probably Hughes. Joba should have already been released.

  25. cofuzz August 8th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    The Red Sox had young talent on both sides of the ball, ready to drive the improvement.
    They also had millions of dollars ready to sign character free agents to change the clubhouse atmosphere.
    The Yankees, unfortunately, appear to have neither of these things.

  26. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    honestly…..if you look at things objectively. The best course of action for the Yankees the rest of the way would be to put Cano and Granderson and even Kuroda on waivers and get the most you can for them (Kuroda is tricky because he has a no trade and I’d want him back next year so you’d have to talk to him and Cano first).

    Then just play out the string…..they might get the best draft position they have had in years.

    If you trade Cano and Hughes and Granderson and then get a top 15 draft pick then perhaps you’ve at least added some things that can help in the future.

    EXACTLY.

  27. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    I need a another cup of coffee.

  28. Frankg August 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Blue Jays’ Mark DeRosa Claimed Off Waivers. Yankees????

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

  29. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    @MTU 9:07am

    That ain’t necessarily so. The strength of this year’s team, pitching, is a big question mark for next year. Will Kuroda be back? Will he have Cy Young results again if he is? Is Nova for real, and even if he is will be have a sophomore slump the way so many pitchers do? Will the bullpen be spectacular again? As for the offense, all the old players will be even older. Yes Tex will be back, but what kind of hitter is he now? Who plays third? Can Jeter really play short?

    The default scenario fills me with dread.

  30. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “NO way Kuroda costs 20 million! What are you crazy?”

    20 million for one year of Kuroda would be awesome…..he’s unbelievable

  31. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    What gives me pause with regard to,steinbrennervselling is how they’re marketing Yankee Stadium as a venue for other entertainment (boxing, hockey, football, concerts). I think this is good, actually, and a smart use of a stadium that would sit empty most of the year.

    But the primary “product” of the New York Yankees is the baseball team. Or should be.

    I don’t want the Yankees to be Cats or Phantom.

  32. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    If he accepts, which he probably will,
    ———————+

    I think you’re dreaming. No way on this planet he can’t get 2/30 or better than a one year deal from NY.
    Just about every team in baseball can use Granderson for that price. Make the offer, for sure, but be prepared to match what will actually happen when he gets five offers.

  33. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    “We’re having a year like the Red SOx has last year.. Look how quickly they have rebounded.”

    well unless the Dodgers are going to bail us out too allowing us to go out and spend some money like Boston did then it’s hardly the same situation……Boston used that money that LA took off their books and spread it around to a lot of players…..

  34. Mike Ri August 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    That ain’t necessarily so. The strength of this year’s team, pitching, is a big question mark for next year. Will Kuroda be back? Will he have Cy Young results again if he is? Is Nova for real, and even if he is will be have a sophomore slump the way so many pitchers do? Will the bullpen be spectacular again? As for the offense, all the old players will be even older. Yes Tex will be back, but what kind of hitter is he now? Who plays third? Can Jeter really play short?

    ————
    Scary !!

  35. jacksquat August 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    I’m not saying things were done as I would have done them, but I do believe the team is still in the wildcard race with tex, Granderson, jeterbnot out until August, cc’s era not ballooning, etc.

  36. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    No way I’d give Hughes a QO. He will take it.

  37. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    The Yankees do not have character issues in the clubhouse that would make it palatable to clean house in the way the Red Sox did. The one character issue they do have cannot be dumped, apparently…

  38. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Will the bullpen be spectacular again?

    ————————-

    This will be one of the biggest disappointments next year, imo. Losing Mo is going to be unlike anything we have ever been through. We will finally know what it feels like to be every other team in baseball with 10-12 blown games a year from the back two guys.

  39. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    I think you’re dreaming. No way on this planet he can’t get 2/30 or better than a one year deal from NY.
    Just about every team in baseball can use Granderson for that price. Make the offer, for sure, but be prepared to match what will actually happen when he gets five offers.

    __________________________________________

    You forget that he’s been injured most of the season so teams don’t really have a feel for how good he will be going forward and are not gonna be so anxious to sacrifice a number 1 draft pick to sign him. He hasn’t exactly built up his FA value this year being injured almost all season

  40. Mike Ri August 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    lol lol . .totally forgot ….. Next year .. no Mo .
    …. UGHHHHH
    —————————————————————–

  41. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Wave-

    I expect them to have approx. 30-40 mill to spend after key players are resigned.

    The health of those coming back will almost certainly be better just because it can’t be as bad.

    With that 30-40 mil I figure they can add or trade for 1 or 2 quality players.

    One position of great need would be 3rd. they’ll trade for or buy one.

    The other is open to debate.

    I hope Kuroda returns. Wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t but I hope he does.

    I think the scenario you envision is decidedly too pessimistic but I sure don’t blame you after having seen a season like this one.

  42. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    The Yankees do not have character issues in the clubhouse that would make it palatable to clean house in the way the Red Sox did. The one character issue they do have cannot be dumped, apparently…

    I’m curious what “character” has to do with getting as much as you can from players that are most likely going to walk at the end of the year anyhow? The RS caught a break from LA. If NY were to be offered the same break, I’d rent a car and drive all of them to wherever their new home is.
    This team is flawed, and defunct, and needs to be torn down and start over. And of course it’s not the same as the RS – they had a lot of young pieces that were still part of the core. They shed all the old, big contracts, and everyone’s consensus was how horrible they were going to be.

    Wrong.

  43. Mike Ri August 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    One position of great need would be 3rd. they’ll trade for or buy one.

    ———————-

    Catcher and Closer are 2 others that need to be looked at .

  44. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Blue Jays’ Mark DeRosa Claimed Off Waivers. Yankees????

    ===============

    Good one Hope not, he is another old broken down player who has had major wrist surgery 3 times

  45. bruceb August 8th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Maybe ownership will sell?

    Maybe Cashman will be fired?

    Maybe the team is just a bunch of old has-beens and not-so-young never-will-bes?

    No, scratch that. There is no maybe about the last one.

  46. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    No way I’d give Hughes a QO. He will take it.

    ________________________________
    Its 50-50. Depe down I think he would love to go home to California. The reason he may accept it is he saw how long it took Kyle Loshe to get an offer with teams very reluctant to surrender a draft pick.

  47. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I think D-rob is your closer most likely.

    Catching can be Romine and Murphy, or possibly a guy like AJ P and Romine.

    Or if they really want to go for it McCann.

    I’m not sure how they can best allocate the money for the 2nd player.

    That probably depends on who becomes available in the OS.

    They may need to buy a pitcher if Kuroda leaves.

  48. JobaTipsHisCap August 8th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    hmm, yeah, Dodgers indeed did sux a huge favor, but if you don’t try, you will never know.
    Yankess didn’t even want to try.
    Tip cap to sux front office.

  49. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Maybe the team is just a bunch of old has-beens and not-so-young never-will-bes?

    Yes, but we all love them, and that’s all the matters in baseball. Can’t cut ties on 40 year olds and never will be guys – it might hurt their feelings.

    I honestly had a guy at work tell me that if Cervelli – yes, F. Cervelli – was not injured things would have been a lot different. Not a joke at all.

  50. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    ts 50-50. Depe down I think he would love to go home to California. The reason he may accept it is he saw how long it took Kyle Loshe to get an offer with teams very reluctant to surrender a draft pick
    ———————–

    50/50 is WAYYYYYYY to high of an odds for me. Like I’ve said for 8 weeks – move him for ANYTHING better than a compensation pick. ANYTHING!

    This team is so stupid. If the hundred people on here saw how fast the ship was sinking, how did they not sell everything and call it in???

    Nope. Jeter and Granderson were coming back. Everything was good.

    Right???

  51. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Just think …………… upcoming ……….

    Tigers
    Angels
    Red Sox
    Blue Jays
    Rays
    Blue Jays (again)
    O’s
    White Sox
    Red Sox (again)
    O’s
    Red Sox (again)
    Blue Jays (again)

    Would you call this a tough stretch coming up ?

  52. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    And maybe next season guys like Heatcott, Austin, J-ram, and Banuelos will finally take the kind of step forward we were hoping for this season.

    That could help too.

    I’d like to see what Betances can do now that he’s a reliever.

  53. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Another pitcher to keep an eye on is Japan’s Mashiro Tanaka. He’s 14-0 this year with an ERA just over 3. He’s only 24 with 3 above average pitches, and scouts are 95% sure he will be posted this offseason. Yanks need to get over their fear of Japanese pitchers and ante up for this guy. He’s only 24, and the bidding money would not count against the luxury tax.

  54. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    MTU-

    Is that $30-40M figure before signing Cano, or after?

  55. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Betances and Chase Whitley could definitely be options in the pen next year. Maybe Cabral too. I wonder if they bring back Logan since there is a dearth of lefty releivers available.

  56. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Mike Ri August 8th, 2013 at 9:27 aoth to trade and 3B optionsm

    Trade what ?

    Slim pickins both to trade and at 3B from other clubs

  57. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I am focusing my attention on the future.

    Actually have been for a while now.

    This season was pre-planned by Stephen King.

    :)

  58. bruceb August 8th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Be nice to think we can bounce back next year but I just can’t see it. Red Sox were able to dump some highly paid players on the Dodgers, they had a few players coming through and made some shrewd acquisitions.

    We don’t have any youngsters to pin our hopes on and Cashman will no doubt be shopping at Walmart again this winter.

  59. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Wave-

    I believe that would be after.

    I’m including 20-25 mil extra from the A-Rod suspension.

  60. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    @Iron Horse 9:34am

    Considering that the Yanks were just swept by one of the worst teams in baseball, I’d say any stretch of games is a tough stretch of games.

  61. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    If Cano made it to a contender on waivers I still think some team might offer a good prospect for him…..he’s a difference maker and sometimes teams will go for it when they think it could net them a title……the problem is that I bet some team like the Angels would block everybody on him and offer nothing.

  62. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Bruce-

    Bounce back is a relative term.

    Be better yes. Be great. No.

    Progress in the right direction.

    Maybe more than people think.

    The A-rod money really helps.

  63. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Blake-

    I think they want to retain Cano to build around.

  64. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I don’t agree that a QO for Granderson is a no-brainer. That’s a lot of money and the Yanks are already loaded (numbers-wise) with outfielders signed for next year plus you have Almonte and Mesa in the wings.

    If I offered it and he took I immediately try to trade him or Ichiro or Gardner.

    I would not take that chance with Hughes.

    Again, my positions are based on doing as dramatic a makeover as possible. If they decide to scrap $ 189 then you want to keep Kuroda for sure, Cano at limited years/$$$ and definitely go after McCann or Pierzinski. Decide whether Romine or Murphy is the guy to pair him with and package the other with some high level prospects for a 3B.

    All in or all out — I can live with either. Treading water again would make me puke.

  65. DAM23 August 8th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Here’s a depressing thought:

    We’ve seen the last meaningful save from Mo.

  66. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    “I think they want to retain Cano to build around.”

    they still can…..there is no rule against signing a player after you trade them. Cano is going to go to whoever pays him the most money…..trading him doesn’t change that.

  67. bruceb August 8th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    MTU

    So you think A-Rod will be out of the whole season?

  68. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    This may be a totally off base thought but I’m hoping that Ichiro’s continued presence might motivate Kuroda to give it one more try. I’m sure they must talk. Both have great respect for each other.

    That and the handsome sum they will offer him.

  69. Tackelberry August 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    86w183:

    They are not just gonna let Granderson go for nothing. He will definitely get a QO. LIke I said, having him back for another year isn’t the worst thing. Wells only makes 2.4 mill next year and counts nothing against the luxury tax, so he can easily be dropped. Gardner is a trade possibility. Ichiro can still be productive in a part time role.

  70. ltl August 8th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I’ve been a Yankee fan since the early fifties, schooled at my Dad’s knee. Since then, I’ve enjoyed great teams and endured poor ones, but they were always the Yankees. Teams succeed and fail in cycles—and the Yankees have managed a degree of success over the last several years. But greatness isn’t permanent, especially in sports—despite the bleatings of the overindulged juice box generation GMs who haunt this blog.

    Given the total predictability of this year’s outcome (injuries or not), and the equally predictable decline in the value of the Yankee brand (and YES sale), does the potential sale of a 2+ billion dollar asset simply require devaluation before it actually has a market? Is there a bigger picture we are missing?

  71. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Bruce-

    Don’t know for sure but I expect the minimum to be 100 games.

    You can do the math.

    Wouldn’t surprise me, if the case is strong enough, for him to lose the entire season.

  72. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I think the Yanks will be reluctant to spend any ARod savings except on a one year deal. It will be hard to sign a really good player to a one year deal. I exclude Kuroda here as he wouldn’t be new money.

  73. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    “I don’t agree that a QO for Granderson is a no-brainer. That’s a lot of money and the Yanks are already loaded (numbers-wise) with outfielders signed for next year plus you have Almonte and Mesa in the wings.”

    it all depends on what the budget is……it’s hard to say what the best thing to do is until we know how much money we’re dealing with. If plan 189 is off…..then Grandy back and his 35+ homers for 13 million for one year is a good investment……if plan 189 is on then it just makes the whole situation tighter and it might not be worthwhile.

  74. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    The Yankees will be much worse in 2014. Look at Iron Horse’s roster, consider the cap, the limited free agents available on the cheap, and the lack of farm system help. I see no other conclusion.

    They were talking this morning on MLB radio about the Phils in 2014, and they agreed if all went well they could win 80+ games. They further agreed they could not say that about the Yankees. Those using the Phillies to feel better about our team, should stop. Where is our Dom Brown? Where is literally anyone?

  75. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Blake-

    I don’t think they want to do it that way.

    Remember we are talking about the ultra-conservative Yankees.

    I do agree with those who say the size and duration of the contract should have definite limits.

    I’d rather lay out more money for fewer years and make use of a creative contract if they are willing.

  76. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    True. Even tougher with those teams on the horizon

  77. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    “Given the total predictability of this year’s outcome (injuries or not), and the equally predictable decline in the value of the Yankee brand (and YES sale), does the potential sale of a 2+ billion dollar asset simply require devaluation before it actually has a market? Is there a bigger picture we are missing?”

    I don’t think the Yankee brand has declined…..look at the Dodgers….they were a total mess when they were purchased. Whoever buys the Yankees is going to buy them for their potential…..not what they are currently…..

  78. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Maybe they will piss $ 12 mil out the window again and sign Youk ?

  79. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Wave-

    I do not see it that way because once the tax is reset for 2015 they can spend more freely.

    So a 2014 contract can extend beyond the season into 2015 and beyond.

    they use the extra A-rod money as bridge capital.

  80. tucker August 8th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    The Yanks will be able to retain Cano and spend next year if Alex’s suspension is upheld.

    But this offense is more than 1-2 players away. They need a catcher who can hit, a left-handed corner outfielder who can thump and a Chase Headly-type third basemen. They also need to get Kuroda back for one year, hope CC returns to form and that Nova is not a mirage. They can fill the final two slots among Phelps, Pineda, Nuno or possibly Warren.

    A lot needs to go right next year for this team to have a chance, but it must start with a commitment from ownership. Otherwise this team will be mediocre once again.

  81. blake August 8th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    MTU,

    I’m only talking about what I think they should do…….I don’t expect them to do anything ground breaking. As I’ve said…..I expect them to sign Cano to a bad contract……and blame 2013 on injuries. That’s what I think until they prove to me they are going to do something different.

  82. randy l. August 8th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    if this blog comes together and gets a common purpose to unseat the steinies, it could do it. a blog in todays world is connected to every social media out there.

    of course ysguy , tomingeorgia, trisha, mick, and all the ones who support the present regime would have to reconsider their positions about supporting the status quo .

    or maybe some of them will support the regime in power.

    then the rebels faction will just have to take over and free the people :)

  83. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    I think Kuroda is very questionable for next year. Would you return or would you prefer to go to the Dodgers who actually have a competitive team on the field, and no tjust in Hal’s mind.

    Jeter will be back soon. We will have six weeks of the pre-season hoped for team with the exception of Teixiera. I still predict the team will play under .500 ball with these players back.

  84. Mike in Harrisburg August 8th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    The problem with keeping Cano is that with him, the Yankees might not be legit contenders again until he is north of 34 and on the decline.

  85. bruceb August 8th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    MTU

    I think your guesstimation of 100 is probably where it will end up. He hasn’t failed a test and the courts frown upon an organization attempting to take away a man’s living, no matter what he has done. This contract millstone will be around the Yankees’ necks for a few more years to come.

    Anyway, hope you are well and that the mop(s) are on the road to recovery.

  86. tucker August 8th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “Given the total predictability of this year’s outcome (injuries or not), and the equally predictable decline in the value of the Yankee brand (and YES sale), does the potential sale of a 2+ billion dollar asset simply require devaluation before it actually has a market? Is there a bigger picture we are missing?”

    I don’t know any ownership group that would purposely drive down the value of a franchise to find a market. You want to sell high. One thing we know — Hal likes his money and budgets.

  87. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    tucker August 8th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Arod suspension upheld

    We go all out and re-sign Grandy and Cano

    Many holes left to fill and not enough dough with the $ 189 limit

  88. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Blake-

    I hope they do not sign Cano to a bad contract.

    There will be more money to work with some are anticipating IMO.

    The Pen, bench, and several of our starters will be cheap.

    Our 4th OF is homegrown.

    Way I see it is we need a 3b, and upgrade at C, and a producing DH.

    Plus we might need a pitcher if Hiroki does not return.

    I think we’ll have enough to sign an AJ P, or possibly a McCann.

    And we’ll find a 3b. Possibly a Headley, Moustakas, etc. in the OS.

  89. ltl August 8th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Blake:

    Good point re: the Dodgers, but do you believe the Dodgers were sold at peak value or below? Certainly the Yankees are equally messy.

    On trading potential free agents, the Yankees seem to prefer to let contracts expire and take the picks–my memory isn’t that great but it seems to be the current pattern

  90. blake August 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “The problem with keeping Cano is that with him, the Yankees might not be legit contenders again until he is north of 34 and on the decline.”

    I’ve said all this before but I think Cano has 2 or 3 more years of elite level play and then I could see a pretty steep decline start after that…..I think he’s already peaked to be honest.

  91. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Randy,

    I am already in my blog camoflauge clothing ready to storm the fortress of the know-nothings who run the team.

    If I owned the team, I would go to Beane or the Rays’ management and double their pay and tell them to take over. Can you imagine having a leader who can actually think and plan? Or an owner who actually allows it?

  92. tucker August 8th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    The Yankees lineup really could use McCann …

  93. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    A blog is going to force out the ownership of a private company? On what planet?

    Be careful what you wish for? I remember being told CBS with all its money would gaurantee the Yankees would be great forever.

    How’d that turn out?

    I don’t know why some of you are convinced they are going to sell a team that is a guaranteed cash cow.

  94. JimK August 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    just some random thoughts:
    What other team or city would spend 1 billion dollars to build a new stadium and still have seats where a fan cannot see the whole playing field; just goes to show what the Y’s actually think of the average fan.
    The fact is the Y’s greed finally got the better of them; the “New” stadium was only about adding luxury boxes to cash in on NYC’s booming financial sector, and unfortunately for the Y’s the finance sector crashed in 2008. Now finance has made a somewhat dubious “comeback,” but the Y’s are no longer the hottest ticket in town, therefore the allure of inviting high net worth clients to watch the “great” NY Yankees has worn thin.
    As I wrote before the Y’s are a marketing operation first and the business of baseball has not only become secondary it is far down the list from their marketing strategy.
    Essentially the Y’s are still living off the reputation of the 95-2001 Yankee teams, but since that time they have become the past decade’s Atlanta Braves; make the playoffs and possibly the WS but come away with one title.
    The Yankees have been selling the “New Coke,” for some time now and unless they reverse course and realize their primary mission is to build a competitive team they will be left to wander aimlessly for the foreseeable future.
    It’s interesting to note that during the recent homerless streak, one of the years mentioned for HR futility was 1996; I believe I also heard Kay make a reference to the Y’s teaching left handed batters the “Yankee Stadium” swing. This may be one reason that Tex, who was a career .280 hitter, prior to coming to the Y’s is now an all or nothing guy when batting left handed.
    I also believe the Y’s obsession with HR’s has hurt Cano; I have not as much attention this year, but in the past it seemed that after every Cano homer he went into a slump, as he tried to ‘jack every pitch.

  95. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Itl,

    They either net draft picks or net nothing as per Martin. They will be too fearful Hughes would take it to offer it to him and Granderson is no sure offer either. They no longer will accept high one year deals. That time has passed. It is low annual salaries that is the new strategy.

  96. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    Bruce-

    Thank you for the kind words.

    We are both improving.

    a 100 game suspension will still result in at least 15 million dollars extra to spend.

    And serve as a bridge to 2015.

    We have relievers than dogs have fleas, and plenty of good to decent young arms to start.

    Kuroda is a key piece. No telling what he will do.

  97. tucker August 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “I’ve said all this before but I think Cano has 2 or 3 more years of elite level play and then I could see a pretty steep decline start after that…..I think he’s already peaked to be honest.”

    I agree with this. I wouldn’t be opposed to letting him walk, which is why it made sense to aggressively shop him at deadline or put him on waivers now.

  98. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    And I believe CC will return to form next season as well.

  99. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    austinmac — There’s no way you would have a hands-off policy with your G.M. if you owned the Yankees. Every owner sticks his nose in somewhere. I sure as hell would.

  100. ltl August 8th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Austinmac:

    Agree they probably won’t offer Hughes, Granderson probably depends on the last weeks of this season. If they are simply going low salaries, then next year should be AAA and AA and semi-retirees. Might be fun if it’s more of the former and less of the latter.

  101. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    It is apparent that Hal’s major activity with the team is working on his bad luck, who could expect it and we’ll get them next year when Tex and Jeter return to health speech.

    McCann would help. It has been years since we signed a decent free agent. It would surprise me if we outbid others for him. He will join the long list of players priced out of our Wal Mart shopping cart.

  102. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    JimK,

    Thoughtful post. I tend to agree

    I liked the doubles Cano better…

    HRs earn you more money, though. :(

  103. blake August 8th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “Good point re: the Dodgers, but do you believe the Dodgers were sold at peak value or below? Certainly the Yankees are equally messy.”

    I mean it was a record breaking sale so I don’t know…..one difference with the Dodgers was that they were buying the TV potential as well and that’s not a possibility with the Yankees. I do know that the Dodgers were a train wreck with McCourt and they sold for a whole whole bunch of money.

  104. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    86,

    Yes, an owner will always be required to give approval of big ticket items. However, an owner shouldn’t dictate Ichiro over Martin or Soriano etc. Why not hire someone who you have faith in to do the job?

    It seems apparent Hal nixed any hopes of the international market. That is his right as it is mine to tell him he was a fool for doing so.

  105. blake August 8th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    “The Yankees lineup really could use McCann …”

    he’d be my #1 non-Cano target…..he can catch….and he’d just mash in YS I think. I’m not as confident he’ll leave Atlanta as I was though…..I could see him taking a discount and staying there.

  106. blake August 8th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal 23m
    Source: #Phillies’ M. Young has cleared waivers. Can be traded to any team, but only if he approves. Full no-trade clause still in effect.

  107. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Now that would be interesting, Billy Beane with Yankee money to budget and spend :)

  108. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Could this be the 2014 Opening Day Roster?

    1B — Teixeira
    2B — Adams
    SS — Jeter
    3B — Nunez
    LF — Almonte/Wells
    CF — Gardner/Mesa
    RF — Ichiro
    C —- Romine/Murphy
    DH — Soriano

    SUB — Nix, Mustelier

    SP — CC, Nova, Pineda, Phelps, Nuno

    RP — Robertson, Kelly, Claiborne, Betances, Cabral, Huff

  109. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Here’s the spreadsheet for the Yankees 2014 commitments from COTS:

    https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpQLwiiQL4kzEzLhsUqVjLQ&output=html

    I’ve got their payroll pegged at around 129 mil after accounting for Kuroda, Cano, and Jeter.

    And also assuming no A-rod.

    He’s salted for 29 mil. so a 100 game is a nice chunk of change.

    We’d need a 3b, a C upgrade, a good DH, etc. with the difference.

    177- 129= 48.

    Even if I’m off by 10 mil that leaves 38 mill to fill those positions and other minor ones.

    Does not look like a problem to me.

  110. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    George dictated Randy Johnson over Carlos Beltran. He dictated Gary Sheffield over someone else. George was one of the most hands on, nose in owners going. He routinely “dialed” in to voice his displeasure. He drive people nuts with his level of involvement.

  111. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    he’d be my #1 non-Cano target…..he can catch….and he’d just mash in YS I think. I’m not as confident he’ll leave Atlanta as I was though…..I could see him taking a discount and staying there

    He’d be my number one target pre-cano. Since I don’t think Cano is going to take anything short of maximum value, which LA is going to give him – or some team –
    Move on from Cano, and build a team with 12-16M dollar players on shorter deals and not 28M dollar players that will be an albatross four or five years from now.

    Offer Mcann 4/60 and be set behind the plate for that time. Sign Utley or Kinsler or some other second baseman to fill the void.

  112. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    eorge dictated Randy Johnson over Carlos Beltran. He dictated Gary Sheffield over someone else. George was one of the most hands on, nose in owners going. He routinely “dialed” in to voice his displeasure. He drive people nuts with his level of involvement.

    It’s why he had such a good relationship with Jerry Jones. They’re the same person.

  113. blake August 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    I don’t think 4/60 would get it done for McCann…..but if it would that’s a great deal. Utley just signed an extension and they’d have to trade for Kinsler.

    If you don’t sign Cano then you’re going to take a huge downgrade at 2B…..there just isn’t anybody close to as good as him available to fill the spot…..but the hope would be you’d mitigate that by using the money to spread it around to several positions and make those better.

  114. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Nice. Almost $ 60 mil to spend :)

  115. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Here’s a list 0f 2014 FA’s :

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....gents.html

  116. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Nice. Almost $ 60 mil to spend :)

    Maybe you can apply to become Beane’s Asst. GM after he comes to NY ?

  117. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Horse-

    no. not really.

    the actual target # for the 189 was calculated to be 177.

    JF can explain why.

    The other variable is the length of A-Rod’s suspension.

    But it should leave us with at least 30 mil or more to spend and I think that’s very conservative on my part.

  118. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    My point is people saying ownership should not dictate the player moves, because they don’t like Hal’s dictates.

    There were lots of fans who would have preferred Beltran over Johnson. I never understood why they couldn’t have both. :)

  119. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Johnson was old when the Yankees signed him, so, of course, decline in velocity should be expected. That is the big problem with the team. They fail to realize players at 38 are not the players they were at 28.

    George’s method of operation is not to be recommended. However, I wish his sons had his desire to win and his desire to have a good team for the fans.

    The Dodgers ownership group seems to desire a good team without dictating moves. These things are not mutually exclusive.

    We apparently have an ownership group that buts in, not for winning, but for profit. Do the Yankees really think Ichiro getting 4,000 hits combined is going to sell out the stadium? Really?

  120. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    I wouldn’t want Beane.

    I’d take a guy like Mozeliak of the Cardinals. Dombrowski would be my 2nd choice.

    The guy running the O’s would be 3rd.

    Followed by Freidman or Daniels.

  121. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Sabean would be up there too.

    And I’ll take Rags as my PC.

  122. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    If you don’t sign Cano then you’re going to take a huge downgrade at 2B…..there just isn’t anybody close to as good as him available to fill the spot…..but the hope would be you’d mitigate that by using the money to spread it around to several positions and make those better.

    —————————

    I agree Blake, but my thinking is this: Any offensive production you lose from the downgrade at second (i knew those guys weren’t available, just tossing names out there), you can replace at other positions, and not have SO much money tied up in one guy. If you can get McCann, you don’t lose that much power wise, and you lock down a better postion on the field. Then you have a litte cash to throw somewhere else, for shorter money.
    For the price of Cano, you can probably get McCann and Garza (or a pitcher).
    They have to start thinking about being less hamstrung with so much money tied up in so few guys.
    I’m on the move cano train if he’s more than 20M per. It’s just better spent elsewhere.

  123. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    MTU,

    Why not Beane? Not that he would come anyway. None of these guys would.

  124. implosion August 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    JimK August 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Outstanding post. 100% true. They were and are living off past sucess. The new staudium and the way the organization treats fans is disgusting and now they pay the piper. Baseball is second to marketing and both are a flop. The total lack of energy inside Yankee Staudium is amazing. Maybe the worst in MLB. I am a fan since 1958 and live in Orlando. Nobody goes to a Rays game but the 12,000 that do make more noise then a sold out staudium during the 2009 World Series. I was there and these are facts not opinions.

  125. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    erry Jones is an effing loser. Don’t ever compare GMS III to Jerry Jones, or vice versa. If Jerry Jones had any brains, he’d realize he’s never winning a Super Bowl with that turd Romo.

    The only part of this that is even remotely correct is the Romo comment.

    Beyond that, if you don’t see the comparisons, then you’re blind to the truth here. Jones won when there was no salary cap because he did exactly what GS did – spend – good or bad. And, he didn’t let anyone in the organization dictate what he was going to do with his team. When he wants something, he gets it. The difference now is that JJ has to deal with equality in his sport. GS never did.
    And, it’s not a secret, they were good friends – because they shared the same passion.

    The Cowboys are garbage, however.

  126. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    The thing to do is to get back to what got ya’ there with a little modification.

    Strategic FA acquisitions

    Smart trades using your excess

    A top quality Farm and development system.

    Use of your most powerful weapon. Your financial edge.

    Build a team that is strong at the up-the-middle positions and that is balanced in it’s attack.

    Have sound pitching.

    An owner who hires great baseball people and who delegates authority to them

    See. It’s easy.

    :)

  127. implosion August 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Why don’t the Yankees hire all the scouts from theRays and A’s? PAy them 500k each which is 4 times what they make. They would save millions in bad contracts. Can anyone explain why this cant and does not happen?

  128. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I think Beane is over rated.

    He’s mostly a figment of Moneyball.

    To me he is not new news but old news and living mainly off his rep.

    This year’s Team is good but when was the last one ?

    Look at the way the Cards are constructed and compare to the A’s.

    And yes I know the Cards have a somewhat bigger budget but it isn’t huge either.

    Mozeliak seems to have blended the old school and new school approaches together.

    ;)

  129. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    MTU-

    You are leaving guys like Gardner and Logan (or a Logan clone) and a Pettitte replacement (probably) out of those calculations, which drains the $38M-$48M a good bit before you start looking for that catcher, 3B, and DH. Not to mention a Mo replacement, which they may or may not go for.

  130. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    G. Love will know what to do when he assumes power.

    I have confidence in him.

    :)

  131. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Every single catcher on the FA list for next year is better than what we have. Every. Single. One.

    I sign McCann, Zobrist, and Jacoby Ellsbury and two back of the rotation starters.

    I trade or take the pick for Cano, Granderson, and Hughes.

    I then make good picks with what is netted to me from this horrendous season and those players and move the pieces that are expendable before the season.

    To me, that’s a better plan than signing Cano+ and hoping for different results.

  132. Russell Munson August 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Randy Johnson was ok in his first season in pinstripes, and he probably was the main reason the Yankees won the division over Boston. Wasn’t he like 6-0 against them that year?

  133. BD (Boston Dave) August 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Can someone explain how Young passes through waivers?

    Not one contending team, despite considering he has a NTC, figured they’d at least block him from going to a competitor? Or take him for almost nothing in return?

    Texas? Boston? nobody?

  134. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Randy Johnson pitched a perfect game months before he became a Yankee. Once he donned the pinstripes, like so many before him, he magically lost 3mph on his fastball.

    For every one of these guys, there are two who magically get it back or better.

  135. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Wave-

    GGBG is already calculated in.

    Logan no but Cabral may just take his spot.

    And as long as I have Kuroda or another good hired gun I do not need AP.

    I figure like this:

    CC
    Kuroda or someone good (i.e. Lincecum)
    Nova
    Phelps
    Pineda/Nuno/Warren/Banuelos

    very respectable in my eyes. Perhaps not in yours.

  136. Russell Munson August 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “Can someone explain how Young passes through waivers?”

    ===================================================

    He’s owed a fair amount of money, he’s likely not going to accept a trade almost anywhere, and he’s not really all that good anymore?

  137. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    an someone explain how Young passes through waivers?

    Not one contending team, despite considering he has a NTC, figured they’d at least block him from going to a competitor? Or take him for almost nothing in return?

    Texas? Boston? nobody?

    Boston can’t block anyone. They’re in first. And my guess is that nobody is happier than them that he’s going to hit the market now, since he already said he’s waive his NTC for them. Most teams didn’t block (NY ect) because he wasn’t going to waive the clause.
    My guess is, like before, he’s in Boston by the end of the week. Or Texas.

  138. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    The pen should be solid.

    Our cup runs over when it comes to relievers.

    We should actually trade a few.

  139. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Implosion,

    I grew up in Winter Garden and saw Killebrew, Lemon and the bad Senator teams who trained in Orlando. I also saw Carew at A ball.

    My former home town is the land that time forgot.

  140. Captain Clutch August 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Did Girardi say why he took Soriano out of the game last night, is he hurt?

  141. randy l. August 8th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    .
    ” am already in my blog camoflauge clothing ready to storm the fortress of the know-nothings who run the team.”

    austinmac-

    let’s do it :)

  142. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Did Girardi say why he took Soriano out of the game last night, is he hurt?

    Would it surprise anyone? He’s old.

  143. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Mac/randy-

    I can supply logistics for you.

    Rope, weapons, ammo, maps, transpo.

    Recon.

    :)

  144. blake August 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    “I agree Blake, but my thinking is this: Any offensive production you lose from the downgrade at second (i knew those guys weren’t available, just tossing names out there), you can replace at other positions, and not have SO much money tied up in one guy.”

    correct….the idea would be to try to replace his value in 2 or 3 players that you could sign to shorter term contracts……like 4 or 5 year deals instead of 7 or 8 for Cano. It gives you more flexibility.

  145. blake August 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    “Did Girardi say why he took Soriano out of the game last night, is he hurt?”

    since Soriano is like their 2nd or 3rd best player….I’m sure he’s pulled something.

  146. randy l. August 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    “A blog is going to force out the ownership of a private company? On what planet?

    Be careful what you wish for? I remember being told CBS with all its money would gaurantee the Yankees would be great forever.

    How’d that turn out?

    I don’t know why some of you are convinced they are going to sell a team that is a guaranteed cash cow.”

    what planet are you on ? ever heard of the Arab Spring?

    things can change fast with social media.

    there is no cash cow if enough people stop feeding the cow.

    thanks for the idea on how to take them down :)

  147. bruceb August 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Remember those days – and not too long ago – when the Yankees had an All Star at every position (or almost every position)?

    Well, folks, with Mariano retiring at the end of the season, if the Yanks don’t re-sign Cano they will have zero All Stars at any position.

    Even worse, we already have three of our four outfielders signed up for next year: Ichiro, Soriano and Wells. What kind of production can we expect from them?

    Will they have more or less RBI than their combined ages of 113?

  148. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    MTU-

    My Cot’s spreadsheet shows both Gardner and Robertson as Arb3 and not included. Did you add them in to get to your $128M?

    And that rotation you are showing is not likely to get it done unless the offense is really beefed up. And just remember the bullpen has been spectacular this year and is losing MO. Relievers are volatile and could be a big downside risk next year, IMO.

  149. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Use the Sept. callups to have a look at guys like Murphy, Betances, and Whitley.

    See if they can be part of the solution for next season.

    Showcase some of the others for winter trades.

  150. randy l. August 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    “Mac/randy-

    I can supply logistics for you.

    Rope, weapons, ammo, maps, transpo.

    Recon.”

    excellent. now we have three :)

  151. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Let’s trade a young player for Michael Young. That will make a difference. Whenever I think they shouldn’t do something, they do it.

  152. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    We need a sexy woman to distract the guards.

    ;)

  153. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Arab spring = Yankees fan revolt ?????

    You do have a most interesting mind.

    **************************************

    Even worse, we already have three of our four outfielders signed up for next year: Ichiro, Soriano and Wells. What kind of production can we expect from them?

    Will they have more or less RBI than their combined ages of 113?

    ********************************************************************

    Great question! Should make some sort of contest out of it. I would guess more because Soriano ought to get 75-80.

    ********************************************************************

    MTU —- Oakland’s payroll is a little more than half St Louis’

  154. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Wave-

    yes. with reasonable projected increases. I did that for all of that type.

    The O would be considerably beefed up. Couldn’t possibly be as bad. Extra money will give us some sound additions.

    Robertson might need to put on his big boy pants.

    If not we make a move for someone else later on.

    with Alex out we have a better margin to work with.

    He’s no Mo but no one will be. I think he generally will be well above avg.

    Maybe I’m wrong.

  155. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    What else does the Yankees need to think about for 2014?

    They have to take seriously the possibility Jeter can’t be an effective shortstop anymore. Another year of Nunez/Nix?

    And what if ARod gets say, a 100 game suspension? The Yanks will be on the hook for a third of his salary, and will they go get a real third baseman if ARod’s coming back in late July?

  156. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    MTU,

    Shame would volunteer as our distraction. We don’t know what she looks like, but she is pretty darn funny.

  157. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    It is 86 but I think for now and the long run the Cards are probably more than twice as good.

    A fantastically constructed team at any price.

    Tremendous balls to let Pujols go. I was opposed. Brilliant decision on their part.

    I just think Mozeliak is way better. I have heard his talk baseball and the dude is extremely impressive.

    He learned from one of the very best in Walt Jocketty who is now with Cincy.

  158. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Wave-

    Nunez is better than what you’ve seen this year.

    He was hurt a lot of the season.

    I think he has a decent bat and if kept at SS will be OK.

    Of course he’s no Jeter. Who is.

    As far as your point on A-Rod and a 3b. The answer should be yes.

    Get a permanent guy. A-Rod’s value from here on out will be in his bat.

    Make him a DH.

    When his contract price gets smaller buy him out and make him disappear.

  159. Captain Clutch August 8th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    The Yanks have to figure out SS, 3rd and C moving forward. They could have some answers at catcher (Romine or Murphy) but I definitely think that Jeter will DH most of next year and it could be his last year. Arod is gone after this year so they need to find everyday guys for SS and 3rd.

  160. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    MTU August 8th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Overrated even with all that pitching talent they keep churning out, year in and year out ?

  161. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Austin-

    Shame would do nicely.

    Good suggestion.

    :)

  162. G. Love August 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    This theory that a healthy Tex and Grandy would be the difference ignore the problems with the offense that the Yankees turned a blind eye to.

    Both players were .230-.240 hitters with power. We’d still be struggling in games they don’t HR. If they don’t HR, they basically do nothing offensively.

    We’d be in the same position with them because if Tex HR’d 2x in one game and it was a win that didn’t need him to do that, it’s an offensive waste on this team. It’s why all the 16-4 multi HR blowouts of the past were meaningless except to pad stats/run differential.

    The Yankees punted this off season, got the punt blocked and turned to Youkilis to save the franchise.

    Believing Hafner would be the lightning in a bottle DH over other candidates was predictably awful. The guy was a creation of PED’s. He’s literally 1/2 the size he was when he was a great hitter.

    So many missteps and they all came home to roost.

    Once they get a taste of what their full August/Sept home schedule looks like without them being in the race, I hope they at least try next year and don’t try to sell lies to the fanbase.

    The injuries to Jeter, Youk, Pineda and Arod were predictable. The one’s to Grandy and Tex weren’t so (although Tex has been injury prone of late). Still, acting like Tex and Grandy would’ve been the difference is just carrying Cashman’s lunchpail for him.

    And are we still penciling Pineda in as our #2 or are we going to calm down since he had major shoulder surgery and is basically a lottery ticket at this point if he pays off?

  163. RMS August 8th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Name 1 exciting player on this team this year.
    Name 1 exciting player on this team next year.

    At least the Mets, with a lower payroll, have Harvey who is a stud and Wheeler who might develop into one.

  164. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Hey –

    We all said “the next 12 games will let us know what we are” coming out of the ASB.

    Now we know. Well, apart from the kool-aid drinkers, we knew before. Like the middle of June.

  165. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Horse-

    They acquire a lot it in trades.

    They don’t develop all of it.

    So is Beane a smart trader ?

    Yes. I’d say so. But he doesn’t get it done season after season.

    Look at the track record of the Cardinals.

    Compare that to the A’s.

    The Cards are a storied franchise.

    And they are very, very good right now. They’ll be that way in the future too.

    Like the Yankees.

    Can’t say that about Oakland.

    I’d hire Beane to evaluate talent but I wouldn’t put him in charge.

  166. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    The Mets are WORLDS ahead of NY right now.

    They could sign a few key pieces this winter, and be in real contention in that division and all of baseball if Wheeler keeps it up.

  167. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Wave-

    Did I answer some or most of your objections ?

  168. St. Pete Yankee August 8th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    The best case for the rest of the season is to avoid finishing last in the AL East. At this point, I would say it’s less than 50-50.

  169. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    By the way Horse.

    We now own the pitching coach who did a lot of that cranking.

    :)

  170. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    This season is not what counts anymore.

    The future is.

  171. St. Pete Yankee August 8th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    There are a lot of guys who will be gone next year. The primary question is do we rebuild with free agents or bulk up the farm system. Unfortunately, I don’t see much major league talent in the farm system.

  172. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Is it only the worst ten teams that have draft picks protected? If so, that will be a consideration in free agency unless we continue to plummet. We can do it! Now, that is the competitive situation Hal promised us.

  173. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    MTU,

    Shame would volunteer as our distraction. We don’t know what she looks like, but she is pretty darn funny.

    ————————-

    I’m in! Hassey too, though he’s not one of the better looking posters on the board (as has been decided by a loosely cobbled together vote of one person that shall remain nameless…).

  174. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    We should try to get as many extra draft picks as we can.

    I’m hoping we have at least 2 extra picks in the first rounds.

    We trade off some of our excess over the Winter.

    Start chopping out the dead wood.

  175. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    G. Love August 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    This theory that a healthy Tex and Grandy would be the difference ignore the problems with the offense that the Yankees turned a blind eye to.

    —————-

    Yep.

    Both were trending downward anyway.. nothing was done to supplement it.

  176. blake August 8th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “This theory that a healthy Tex and Grandy would be the difference ignore the problems with the offense that the Yankees turned a blind eye to.”

    yup

  177. Duh Innings II August 8th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    My 2014 Yankees

    Rotation: Nova + four from Phelps, Warren, Nuno, Pineda & three starting pitching prospects acquired from trading Sabathia to an N.L. team who’d think they’d be getting over on the Yankees like the Pirates got over on the Yanks with A.J. Burnett who Sabathia should be better than in the league with no DH, the pitcher batting, and a much weaker bottom of the order from both.

    Bullpen: Robertson, Kelley, Logan, Clairborne, Betances, Montgomery, Marshall

    Bench: JR Murphy, Mustelier, Joseph, Adonis Garcia

    Starting Nine:

    C – Romine
    1B – Adams
    2B – Nunez
    3B – Eric Jagielo
    SS – Ramiro Pena reacquired
    LF – Almonte
    CF – Gardner
    RF – Mesa
    DH – Soriano

    Logan is the only Yankee signed beyond 2014. Everyone but Robertson, Gardner, and Soriano would be under control beyond 2014. Soriano would be the only old player. He and Gardner would be the only players older than 29 when Gardner turns 30 sometime next year and both plus Robertson could be let go after 2014.

  178. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    The injuries to Jeter, Youk, Pineda and Arod were predictable. The one’s to Grandy and Tex weren’t so (although Tex has been injury prone of late). Still, acting like Tex and Grandy would’ve been the difference is just carrying Cashman’s lunchpail for him.
    ///

    GLove, Those two (Granderson I think moreso, since it’s possible last year he was just gassed from getting no spell days in CF) would have been useful as ancillary to better swing path/contact types that we don’t have, so I agree: we still would not have had that type of hitter.

    Last year the Tex/Grandy “approach” was the red herring combined with eking out another division title fooled some here into believing we were an actual WS contender, until Detroit pitching just chewed up and spit out the lineup in the ALCS.

    We likely would have been in closer proximity to a WC spot, but the bottom-line issues that have been stubbornly neglected since 2010 would have remained.

    The Yankees would have been selling false hope, which is their MO these days.

  179. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    MTU-

    No, but I don’t think that’s your fault.

    I need to sit down with Cot’s and really get a grip on the Yanks’ payroll obligations, to see if I agree with you, but I’m just too darn depressed to find the energy to do it.

    Why am I depressed?

    I think Jeter is not going to be an adequate defensive shortstop due to age and injury, and I’m far from sold on Nunez. I think ARod is going to continue to hang over their heads, and there being no real answers at 3B in the free agent pool, I think they will just muddle along there.

    I don’t really think they will sign Cano, I think the Dodgers will. If they do sign him, it will be for too much money. If they don’t sign him, I don’t see how they replace the offense.

    I think the rotation next year is full of questions. Setting aside CC (who I believe will be better) and Kuroda (I don’t know what to think), I think Nova, Pineda, Phelps, Warren etc. pose more questions than a curious two year old could ask. And I think the bullpen is bound to be worse almost no matter what.

  180. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    They really should call up Murphy now and see if he and Romine can tag-team the C spot next year. I’d love for them to go after McCann but that would take some financial flexibility I’m not sure we have. He’d be the perfect candidate to over pay to get him on a shorter deal.

  181. Alan Slocum August 8th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Choices to close last night in the 12th inning.
    Logan?
    Joba?
    Claibourne?
    Adam Warren?

    Adem who? What kind of an idiot would select Warren to close?

  182. bruceb August 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Before we start making comparisons with the Mets, let’s just remember how much their fans have suffered over the years. Even now, they only have one – possibly two – nights to look forward to every five days when Harvey and Wheeler are pitching (and I’m not yet completely sold on Wheeler yet).

    If – and I know it’s a big if – Pineda proves to be a top-of-the-rotation pitcher and Nova’s current form is not just a flash in the pan – the Yanks will at least have the foundation for a starting rotation next year.

    The big difference is that next year the Mets will be finally rid of their crushing contracts (Santana, Bay, Perez etc.) whereas the Yanks are going to be lumbered with A-Rod, CC and Tex for years to come.

  183. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    CC
    Kuroda/Lincecum
    Nova
    Phelps
    Nuno/Banuelos/Warren/Pineda

    D-Rob
    Kelley
    Caliborne
    Logan/Cabral
    Warren
    Betances
    Whitley ?

    Tex
    Cano
    Jeter/Nunez
    ? (Young)
    AJ P/McCann/Romine/Ruiz

    GGBG
    Choo/Soriano
    Ichiro
    Almonte/Wells

    Nix/Adams
    Romine/Ruiz
    Almonte/Wells
    Nunez

    Not as bad as many might think.

    It might even be better depending on how things break with a-rod.

  184. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Rotation: Nova + four from Phelps, Warren, Nuno, Pineda & three starting pitching prospects acquired from trading Sabathia to an N.L. team who’d think they’d be getting over on the Yankees like the Pirates got over on the Yanks with A.J. Burnett who Sabathia should be better than in the league with no DH, the pitcher batting, and a much weaker bottom of the order from both.

    hahahahahaha.

    This post wins.

    You can’t seriously imagine a NL team giving up three prospects for CC at this point do you?

    I can’t. I can’t imagine a team taking the contracts with no prospects in return. Just a cash deal.

    I hope you’re ready for the next two years to be worse than this one with that lineup.

  185. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    :arrow:

  186. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    MTU – I’d take that RIGHT NOW.

    Immediately.

  187. G. Love August 8th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Pruf,

    I don’t understand selling false hope to Yankees fans. It’s just low rent.

    They’re gonna get a taste of their medicine over the next 7 weeks. Having a fanbase indifferent to the team other than to wish Mo a happy send off is going to hurt them in the wallets. They only care about $.

    Either the rebuild they must do scares them into selling out of fear of the franchise value plummeting or they will try to keep Cano, Kuroda and find real options at 3b, C, OF and a LH hitting 1b to pair with Tex.

  188. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    OK Wave.

    When you feel better study up.

    I think some of your pessimism is being colored by your current mood.

    And I can’t blame you for feeling down with the kind of season we’ve had.

  189. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    So we got swept by a team that had lost 10 in a row and now play a team that has won 11 straight. We are down to “you never know what is going to happen in baseball”.

    I am afraid many have too high of hopes about Murphy. He may be one of our better prospects, but no one has him pegged as a high end player or likely even an average player. That said, bring him up and play him.

    Bring them all up. I would at least watch Heathcott play. It would be far more interesting than watching Wellsy. Let look in newer bottles for lightning. The old ones aren’t working.

  190. Chambliss August 8th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    I would keep Jeter, Mo, Gardner, Nova, Nunez, Kuroda, Robertson, Romine, Mesa, Almonte and Logan.

    I would waive everyone else including the big names and see what kind of offers come in.

    This is the nuclear option, but it needs to be done.

  191. JimK August 8th, 2013 at 11:49 am

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    implosion, the Yankees have adopted the Guiliani “Times Square” Disneyfication strategy, which is one of the reasons the stadium seems more like an opera than a baseball game. The beefed up security is intended to keep a “family friendly” atmosphere; gone are the Bronx Zoo days when a fan showing up in an opposing team’s jersey was putting his life in his or her hands. Granted it has its plusses but, IMO for the most part the crowd has been removed from the game.

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