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Lillibridge outrighted to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brent Lillibridge has been outrighted to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He’ll join a Triple-A infield that already includes Alberto Gonzalez, Brendan Harris and Dan Johnson — three other veterans with at least a little bit of versatility and some big league experience. Lillibridge had some helpful moments in his short stint with the Yankees, and he might be a September call-up option — if nothing else to provide depth all over the field — but the 40-man is full and the Yankees already have plenty of versatility with Jayson Nix, Eduardo Nunez, David Adams and five experienced outfielders. Probably the last we’ve seen of Lillibridge.

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93 Responses to “Lillibridge outrighted to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre”

  1. Giuseppe Franco August 8th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Repost

    Um, I’m still in my 30s and probably 20+ years younger than you. Not exactly old.

    No, Gardner is not part of the problem. All of the issues this team has and you think it’s Gardner who is the biggest problem? Not connected with reality…are you?

    The fact that they haven’t drafted well and have done a terrible job developing youngsters who are not relievers is the primary reason they are in this mess.

    That and they won’t spend money on value with upside like IRAs. Instead they spend stupid money on stop gaps and retreads.

  2. blake August 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Gardner is one of their better players…..Cano, Gardner, Arod, Soriano…..that’s pretty much the only average or above average level players they have right now.

  3. Russell Munson August 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Does that mean we still have to read Lillibridge’s twitters?

  4. Giuseppe Franco August 8th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    We’re still reading David Aardsma tweets and he hasn’t been with the team in 18 months.

  5. pkyankfan69 August 8th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    joeman August 8th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    pkyankfan69 August 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    I don’t get the Gardner hate… Is a .750 OPS guy who plays elite defense in CF that bad?

    Gardner is FAR from the problem on this team
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    really…he goes on a tear for two weeks and builds his stats up then disappears for a month did that 2 times or more this year all you have to do is look
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    Gardners’ slash lines by month:

    April – .252/.328/.398/.726
    May – .275/.339/.441/.780
    June – .330/.372/.509/.881
    July – .247/.340/.294/.634

    Looks to me like GGBG has had 2 average months, 1 great month, and 1 poor month (all while playing elite CF defense of course). He’s off to a poor start this month but it’s only been 6 games, not much of a sample size. It’s baseball, players go on streaks, get over it… Is Gardner a star player? No, but he’s a solid CF… I would like to see him get his OBP up a bit more consistently though.

  6. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Gardner is not the problem. Offensively he may look like a problem because of the lineup around him, but that’s an illusion. If the Yanks had a power hitting right fielder and a power hitting first baseman this year you could do a lot worse than Gardner in CF.

  7. Frankg August 8th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Gardner? He’s above average at one thing—fielding. He is an average hitter, no power, lousy at getting on base and is a horrible base runner.

    His weaknesses have been exposed this year, because other people aren’t carrying the team this year. Definitely not an impact player.

  8. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Sell the Team for a huge profit Hal and do us all a favor and go and buy another hotel chain, or a bigger yacht.

    Take Levine, Trost, and Newman with you out on your boat.

    Sip martinis and smoke cigars all day long. Laugh your butts off.

    Just leave Stick Michael behind.

    Thank in advance.

  9. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Just leave Stick Michael behind

    Gene Michael is almost 76 years old. I’ll pass. They need new, fresh, innovative decision makers in this system

  10. joeman August 8th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Frankg August 8th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    Gardner? He’s above average at one thing—fielding. He is an average hitter, no power, lousy at getting on base and is a horrible base runner.

    His weaknesses have been exposed this year, because other people aren’t carrying the team this year. Definitely not an impact player.

    hey BG how many outs are there—————————-
    he also has a bad BB IQ..

  11. fantasygame101 August 8th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    gardner is an mlb cf and is playing like what a cf should be. It is not his fault that we have a light hitting rf, a non hitter lf, a retread 1b or 3b. Gardner is not earning like an elite player so to me, he is worth the money spent.

  12. joeman August 8th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Gardner is a decent player on a good team with better players all around him..is that what I’m being told

  13. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Manning-

    Sure. But he still has a lot of baseball knowledge is my point. And if someone were to be left behind I want him above most of the others in that den of weasels.

    I want the corporate types completely walled off from the Baseball operations.

    As Doreen said if they want to think of creative ways to use the stadium or something like that’s fine but don’t pretend to know who belongs on the Yankees from a baseball perspective.

    They should be completely out of that sort of thing.

    Unfortunately Hal seems to have an affinity for them rather than the baseball people.

  14. fantasygame101 August 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    joeman,

    Gardner is a complimentary piece not the center piece and he is being paid like a complimentary piece. In your scenario, gardner is not descent but a good part.

  15. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Manning-

    Sure. But he still has a lot of baseball knowledge is my point. And if someone were to be left behind I want him above most of the others in that den of weasels.

    I want the corporate types completely walled off from the Baseball operations.

    As Doreen said if they want to think of creative ways to use the stadium or something like that’s fine but don’t pretend to know who belongs on the Yankees from a baseball perspective.

    They should be completely out of that sort of thing.

    Unfortunately Hal seems to have an affinity for them rather than the baseball people.

    Gotcha. I wasn’t poo-pooing him.

  16. joeman August 8th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    fantasygame101 August 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    joeman,

    Gardner is a complimentary piece not the center piece and he is being paid like a complimentary piece. In your scenario, gardner is not descent but a good part.

    —————————————–
    OK I believe you…

  17. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Gardner is a streaky, mediocre player who plays elite defense and has great speed.

    When he’s being surrounded by players that are better than him in the lineup, he looks very nice. When he’s not the piece to be hidden, he’s exposed, and has been.

    He doesn’t start in CF on any other team in the AL East. Well, maybe Toronto. That’s about it.

  18. joeman August 8th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reports that Alex Rios has been claimed on waivers by an unknown team.
    Waiver claims are a pretty common thing this time of year and don’t often wind up going anywhere. The White Sox had ample opportunities to trade Rios at the July 31 deadline and decided to pass. The 32-year-old outfielder is under club control through the 2015 season.
    ——————————–
    rather have him than Gardner

  19. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Actually, nevermind. I take Colby.

  20. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    rather have him than Gardner

    Not me. I mean, if he made 8M a year, then yes. Or in a vacuum, yes. But not when the salaries are involved in the mix. Rios is better, but not 12M better.

  21. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Manning-

    I’m ready for a clean sweep as is pretty plain.

    A Top to bottom overhaul.

    Except maybe for Girardi.

    Even a new Mgr. is fine with me too.

    My dream would be to see Jeter retire and buy the Yanks buy forming a consortium like Magic did over in LA.

    Like I always say. If you’re gonna dream. Dream big.

    :)

  22. yankinvegas August 8th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    On another track.
    Since moving to Vegas from Westchester County 6 years ago, I read all papers online. Ever notice the dislike bordering on hatred that almost all NY columnists have for NYY? Other than Davidoff. It borders on the irrational.
    Forget about total a-holes like Madden and Lupica, the stuff on ESPN is insane.
    I try to be a realist and I know this team is average this season, but these guys rip us when we win, when we lose, when we spend $, when we try to get to 189
    Just venting.

  23. blake August 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    I dont’ think anybody ever said Gardner was a star…..he’s a good supporting player on a good team though.

  24. blake August 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Evan Grant ?@Evan_P_Grant 2m
    MLB Sources: Rangers did claim Alex Rios. But claiming him and acquiring him 2 very different things.

    means the yanks didn’t want to block him.

  25. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    MTU -

    It’s both a baseball enterprise and a marketing enterprise. But marketing the brand is different than running the team, and that’s where Levine gets especially tricky. He has Hal’s ear because he is very good at the job of marketing the brand.

    Levine has Hal’s ear because they speak the same language. And it’s not the game of baseball, it’s the business of baseball (but not, if you know what I mean).

    Just to be clear, I have been saying for a few years now that I wanted Levine gone.

  26. joeman August 8th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
    rather have him than Gardner

    Not me. I mean, if he made 8M a year, then yes. Or in a vacuum, yes. But not when the salaries are involved in the mix. Rios is better, but not 12M better.

    ———————————————

    money aside I rather have Rios..but your right..

  27. joeman August 8th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    blake August 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    I dont’ think anybody ever said Gardner was a star…..he’s a good supporting player on a good team though.

    ——-
    agree…just as long as he’s not a star on a bad team

  28. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Criticizing Gardner is about the same as criticizing the steak on the Titanic.

  29. Mordot11 August 8th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    YankinVegas –

    I find you to be totally right. It also seems to be significantly worse now that George is gone. I don’t know if he kept the media in check, but I don’t remember the anti Yankee sentiment in the media to being quite this obvious a few years ago.

  30. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Good Doreen. I’m glad you clarified that for me.

    Then we are on the same side.

    I converted you on Hal selling too.

    So it pretty much sounds like we are both pulling in the same direction.

    I’m glad to have you on my side because what we really want is to have our Yankees back.

    We won’t get it until smart baseball people start running things again.

    Can’t wait.

  31. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Of course the Yankees didn’t claim Rios. 2014 and it’s budget control all. We do already have our outfield. How could I forget since it is producing so well this year?

  32. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    My dream would be to see Jeter retire and buy the Yanks buy forming a consortium like Magic did over in LA.

    Not me.

    I like my front office to be capable of being hated. If Jeter takes over, pretty hard to dislike any move he makes – good or bad. The excuses will be endless.

    I liken it to Elway. My all time favorite athlete hands down. He’s now the president of the Broncos, and I find it very hard to be critical of him, because, well, he’s him.

    It helps that he hasn’t made too many wrong moves thus far!

  33. tbone1570 August 8th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Criticizing Gardner is about the same as criticizing the steak on the Titanic.

    ************************

    Nicely done, WYH! :)

  34. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Manning-

    Each to their own.

    I can think of no one better except for maybe a guy like Mark Cuban.

    I might still prefer Jeter cause he’s a winner and I don’t think he’ll accept less than the very best in the organization.

    ;)

  35. Duh Innings II August 8th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    LOL @ Mike Axisa suggesting that the Yanks trade Mariano Rivera here:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....nt-6650628

    How does this idiot have the second biggest blog about the Yankees?

    ‘Love how he continually bans me from comments and I continually am able to return to making them. I was Duh Innings then Duh Injuries. I think I’m gonna be Duh Bannings next haha.

  36. blake August 8th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    “LOL @ Mike Axisa suggesting that the Yanks trade Mariano Rivera here:”

    he made it pretty clear that it 100% would never happen and it was a post just for fun about what if…….

  37. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    AROD would have been a good owner in that he is all baseball, all the time. But, obviously that isn’t happening. I have my doubts Jeter would want to become an owner, but he rarely tells me his plans. That is true despite the fact he once held the door open for me at Starbucks.

  38. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Player comps

    Player A- 106games/ 453abs/ 71runs/ 135hits/ 24 2Bs/ 8 3Bs/ 7 HRs/ 41rbis/ 40 BBs/ 67 Ks/
    40 SBs/.298-.360-.433- .793- 3.5war- salary $9mil

    Player B- 111games/ 418abs/ 58runs/ 113hits/ 25 2Bs/ 5 3Bs/ 7 HRs/ 36rbis/ 40 BBs/ 97 Ks/
    19 SBs/ .270- .338- .404- .743- 2.5war- salary 2.8mil

    whose the better value?

  39. Jesus Bustero August 8th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    So the Yankees refuse to buy Michael Young (who could play 1B) or Rios or Reynolds so it is clear that although they bought Soriano they are no longer buyers. They won’t add players via the waiver wire.

    But will they subtract players or do they want to just remain in a state of limbo with no direction even after the deadline has passed, being neither buyer nor seller.

    This is the most unimaginative franchise in the history of sports.

  40. pkyankfan69 August 8th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Jacoby is about to get a BIG increase in pay coming up after this year too… He’s definitely better offensively when healthy but not sure if he will be worth the contract coming his way .

  41. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Player A.

    Mostly because he’s jacoby Ellsbury, and not only equally as good defensively, but a much, much better leadoff hitter and baserunner. And baseball player.

  42. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Jacoby is about to get a BIG increase in pay coming up after this year too… He’s definitely better offensively when healthy but not sure if he will be worth the contract coming his way

    I would love for the Yankees to be in on Jacoby. There aren’t many RS I would want on my team, but he’s one of them.

  43. Jesus Bustero August 8th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Cashman won’t trade Gardner. He will cling to him until his value disappears, like Hughes. Gardner will walk after 2014 and the Yankees will get nothing in return.

  44. Jesus Bustero August 8th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Therefore, he blocks Ellsbury.

    Choo is a different story.

  45. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    My guess for Jacoby is going to be 5/100M

    And if he stays healthy, he’s worth every penny of that deal. I think the health issue will be his drawback, but Boras makes miracles.

  46. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Cashman won’t trade Gardner. He will cling to him until his value disappears, like Hughes

    ————————-

    hahaha. well said, bro.

  47. pkyankfan69 August 8th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    What sort of contract is Ells going to get?

    5/6 years – $18M per year… Something in that ballpark?

    His injury history is a but scary and he will be 30 to start next year.

  48. blake August 8th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    “So the Yankees refuse to buy Michael Young (who could play 1B) or Rios or Reynolds so it is clear that although they bought Soriano they are no longer buyers. They won’t add players via the waiver wire.”

    season is over…..they should be focused and selling if they are going to do anything.

  49. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Ellsbury is not as good defensively and offensively he’s only slightly better in that he’s less streaky. He is a better baserunner I’ll grant you that but @ $9mil he’s overpaid and he’s about to be even more overpaid.

  50. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Ellsbury is not as good defensively and offensively he’s only slightly better in that he’s less streaky. He is a better baserunner I’ll grant you that but @ $9mil he’s overpaid and he’s about to be even more overpaid.

    hahah.. Okay, guy.

    Ask 31 team GM who they would rather have, and you’re going to get one answer. But believe what you want.

  51. blake August 8th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “5/6 years – $18M per year… Something in that ballpark?”

    I think 4/60- 5/75…..somewhere in there maybe. He’s talented but he’s getting up in years too and he’s really only had one really good year that looks like the outlier at this point.

    Boras has had trouble with these tweener guys lately….Is Ellsbury’s value better than Bourn’s was last winter? I don’t really think so……

  52. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    No offensiveplayer that averages 7-8 HRs a season is worth 20mil per year. Ellsbury other than the year he was on HGH has averaged about 8.5 Hrs per 600 at bats.

    Only a foolish GM would pay him 20mil per

  53. Jesus Bustero August 8th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Blake,

    But the fact that they won’t put someone like Kuroda or CC or Cano on waivers proves that they refuse to sell, not because they’re unaware it’s the right direction but because they don’t want to change the way fans perceive them.

    I know a loser when I see one though.

    And the fact they are so stubborn about absorbing a short term loss in order to secure a long term gain…just really bothers me.

  54. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Not to mention that if Ellsbury played in ys2, he’d be basically Curtis Granderson with a batting average and 100 less K’s.

  55. blake August 8th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “Ask 31 team GM who they would rather have, and you’re going to get one answer. But believe what you want”

    Ellsbury…..better hit tool…..which is what everyone looks at first. I’d rather have Ellsbury too…..but there isn’t a ton of difference in value and Gardner is a lot cheaper.

    Really hope the Yanks stay away for Jacoby…..that’s a bad contract waiting to happen. They have Heathcott coming who could be the same type player for the league minimum in a couple of years……

  56. Jesus Bustero August 8th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    Not to mention that if Ellsbury played in ys2, he’d be basically Curtis Granderson with a batting average and 100 less K’s.

    ______________

    He would be .300, 15-20 HR, 50 SB.

  57. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    It doesn’t matter. I think the RS will probably get him for about 70M or so. But, I’d take Ellsbury over Gardner every single day of the week. And both times in a double header.

    The only person who wouldn’t is his Mom. It’s not my money – I don’t care how little Gardner makes – that’s his fault for not being better. Given the chance, every single poster here, sans a few fanboys, takes Ellsbury and his superior offensive abilities, and better baseball ability.

  58. yankinvegas August 8th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    One positive about a season like this is that it weeds out the bandwagon fans. True fans understand the ups and downs. My wife is already busting my chops because I’m focused on 2014!
    I really want to watch the races this year, but I dislike MLB so much because of their hatred of NYY. Everytime Selig is on camera I switch channels. The guy sickens me.

  59. tbone1570 August 8th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    AROD would have been a good owner in that he is all baseball, all the time. But, obviously that isn’t happening. I have my doubts Jeter would want to become an owner, but he rarely tells me his plans. That is true despite the fact he once held the door open for me at Starbucks.

    ******************************
    mac,

    He very much wants to be able to own the Yanks.

  60. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Really hope the Yanks stay away for Jacoby…..that’s a bad contract waiting to happen. They have Heathcott coming who could be the same type player for the league minimum in a couple of years……

    Blake. Slow down. Can he play one game before we say he’s going to be Ellsbury at league min?

    If that’s the case, the Boston’s own Jackie Bradley will replace him with no problem.

  61. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Guy,

    You can ask who you want to ask but the numbers tell the real story and the real story is that there is not that much separation between Gardy and Ellsbury offensively and EVERYBODY knows who’s the better defender.

    If you think Ellsbury is a 20mm a year player you’re smoking some pwerful stuff. If he’s worth 100mil for 5 years Robbies worth $150-175mil for 5

  62. blake August 8th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “But the fact that they won’t put someone like Kuroda or CC or Cano on waivers proves that they refuse to sell, not because they’re unaware it’s the right direction but because they don’t want to change the way fans perceive them.”

    well a lot of fans don’t perceive them very well and if they keep making dumb decisions and sticking their head in the sand about his team it’ll get worse.

    If they aren’t gonna sell then I agree…..why not claim Young…..so I don’t know what they are doing to be honest.

  63. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    If you think Ellsbury is a 20mm a year player you’re smoking some pwerful stuff. If he’s worth 100mil for 5 years Robbies worth $150-175mil for 5

    It doesn’t matter what I think. It only matters what the market is.
    And if you’d rather have “gardy” then that’s fine. Nobody faults you for being a fan boy. They’re everywhere.

  64. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Ellsbury averages 8 Hrs per season where in the world is he Grandy? Grandy hit more homers last season than Ellsbury hit in his career buddy!!!

    You must be his cousin or something!

  65. blake August 8th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    “Blake. Slow down. Can he play one game before we say he’s going to be Ellsbury at league min?”

    I didn’t mean he would be….I said he could be and either way signing Ellsbury is a bad idea and a bad allocation of limited resources IMO. He’s just too fragile and has been too inconsistent in his career……now that said…..for the right price I would have interest…..I love the swing and I like him as as player fine….but if plan 189 is on they have to be careful about who they give money too….

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Dude is a Sox fan.

  67. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    FWIW,

    I wouldn’t give 20M for Gardner and Ellsbury. But if I had to pay one of them, it would be Ellsbury, who is better (no matter how marginally it may be) in every single catetgory in baseball.

    And yes, I agree that Garnder is better defensively. He better be, it’s about all he’s got going for him.
    But we all have players we hate. He’s mine.

  68. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Dude is a Sox fan.

    There it is. You nailed it. I’m a sox fan hanging out on a Yankee board to talk the merits of Yankee baseball.

    So stupid.

  69. blake August 8th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    I’m always of the opinion that prospects are suspects until the prove otherwise….but at the same time I don’t think you should spend 75 million on a guy that’s gonna play the entire contract over the age of 30 and who has had a significant injury history when you do have a player in AA who profiles similarly….if there was no budget then fine…..but there is and they have to make good decisions.

  70. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    No fanboy here homie….and I’m not saying I’d take Gardy over Ellsbury but I’d take Gardner @ 5mil over Ellsbury @ 20 mil everyday of the week and twice on Sunday’s. I’d bet most of the GM’s in the game would agree with that.

  71. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    It’s called “trolling”….

  72. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Ellsbury averages 8 Hrs per season where in the world is he Grandy? Grandy hit more homers last season than Ellsbury hit in his career buddy!!!

    Yes, and like Grandy, he’s a dead pull hitter, and when you’re left handed, that’s a big deal. All of those 375′ fly balls that Ellsbury hits to RF in Fenway, are HR in YS.. Just like Granderson.

  73. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    No fanboy here homie….and I’m not saying I’d take Gardy over Ellsbury but I’d take Gardner @ 5mil over Ellsbury @ 20 mil everyday of the week and twice on Sunday’s. I’d bet most of the GM’s in the game would agree with that.

    Yes, to this I do agree as well.

    Hatchet buried.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    So, it’s just coincidence that the two times I have seen you in here hammering your point, both have been to disparage the Yankees in favor of the Red Sox.

    The first was how great Boston’s farm system is.

    Now, it’s rhapsodies about Ellsbury.

    Yeah, he’s a better pure hitter than Gardner; anyone who watches baseball can figure that out. We’re not signing him, and like Blake said, the guy is 30 years old. Pass.

  75. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    It’s called “trolling”…

    Or, I just can’t stand Gardner, and view him as a mediocre player at a premium position and part of the problem.

    But as someone said earlier, he has been a bright spot this year. But, I’d move him for every single other CF in the AL East, and that’s not telling of Yankee CF my entire life.

  76. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    o, it’s just coincidence that the two times I have seen you in here hammering your point, both have been to disparage the Yankees in favor of the Red Sox.

    I’m here every single day talking baseball, JAP. I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

    And yes, the Red Sox are a better system, top to bottom.. That doesn’t make me a fan of them, it makes me not blind.

  77. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    But if I had to pay one of them, it would be Ellsbury, who is better (no matter how marginally it may be) in every single category in baseball.

    And yes, I agree that Gardner is better defensively. He better be, it’s about all he’s got going for him.
    ————————————————————————————————-
    It helps sometimes to do some research before you post…keeps you from making dumb arguments. Outside of the 2011 season where is this great offensive player in Ellsbury’s production?

  78. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    And yes, the Red Sox are a better system, top to bottom.. That doesn’t make me a fan of them, it makes me not blind.
    ——————————————————————————
    Another ridiculous point but your the guy who was claiming that Workman was a stud starter.

  79. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Champ,

    Ellsbury is better. Nobody but you is arguing against that. If you like Garnder, that’s fine. I like players who are better. No reason to call anything “dumb”.
    In fact, the only dumb thing is calling someone’s argument dumb, when basically every single offensive category falls in Ellsbury’s favor – if even marginally. Is he far superior, no. Is he a better baseball player, yes.
    Do you pay them? No, so that wasn’t included in my fantasy of someone replacing Gardner.

  80. champ809 August 8th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Grandy was hitting 25-30 Hrs a season before he showed up to YS. Unless he played his home games in a little league park Ellsbury’s homers wouldn’t increase from 8-9 a year to 40+. He simply doesn’t hit with the power that Grandy does….never has never will

  81. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Another ridiculous point but your the guy who was claiming that Workman was a stud starter

    No. This is just flame throwing. I said he made 3 good starts for them – which is what they needed – and to point out that they’re system is helping them.

    It’s really not my shortcoming that you can’t give credit where it’s due.

    I go to about 25 Yankee games a year – I’m hardly a red Sox fan – nor do I pretend to have some love affair with them – but they have built something very good there. If you can’t admit that, more power to you.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    You’ve been bragging about a franchise that hasn’t made it to the postseason since 2009, and holding them up as some gold standard. Curious pastime “on a Yankee blog.”

  83. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Another ridiculous point but your the guy who was claiming that Workman was a stud starter.

    I mean, the archives are here. Feel free to show me where I said the kid was a stud.

  84. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    ou’ve been bragging about a franchise that hasn’t made it to the postseason since 2009, and holding them up as some gold standard. Curious pastime “on a Yankee blog.”

    If you say so, JAP.
    Feel free to block me then, man. If I was a “troll”, I’d admit it. It would be much more fun to make fun of this train wreck than talk about ways to fix it.

  85. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    just don’t respond or read. It’s very easy, man. I mean super easy.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    He simply doesn’t hit with the power that Grandy does….never has never will
    ///

    Yup, Grandy has his faults, but he has legit power in any ballpark. Just because he can take advantage of ours doesn’t mean he has conditional power.

  87. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    I didn’t mean he would be….I said he could be and either way signing Ellsbury is a bad idea and a bad allocation of limited resources IMO. He’s just too fragile and has been too inconsistent in his career……now that said…..for the right price I would have interest…..I love the swing and I like him as as player fine….but if plan 189 is on they have to be careful about who they give money to

    I agree, Blake. Entirely. I wouldn’t pay more than 14M or so, and I don’t want anymore big contracts for guys who are over 30, which is exactly why they should all be on waivers right now.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Trolls don’t know they’re trolls. I don’t care what you do, but you’re berating people here and calling them “fanboys” and then comparing Ellsbury’s power to Granderson’s. Who’s the fanboy, now?

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Finally, anybody who argues with passion for Ranaudo being the goods, and hasn’t ever even seen him, has some weird investment in that coming to fruition.

  90. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    JAP –

    My intention was not to compare the two player’s power abilities. My point was to say that Ellsbury is a pull hitter, and in YS he would hit more HR than other places. I wasn’t belittling Granderson’s power – but 25 to 40 is a jump, and a lot of those would have been fly ball outs other places.
    The talk wasn’t between those two -

    You’re right, I’m a fan-boy troll.
    Move on, then.

  91. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    inally, anybody who argues with passion for Ranaudo…

    Really guy. I admitted that I never saw him, and even if I did, I’m not a scout. I believe I even said “all I can go on is what has been written”

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    You’re right, I’m a fan-boy troll.
    ///

    The irony falls flat. You were just accusing folks here of being “fanboys.” Don’t get it twisted, now. And I’m “blind” because I don’t genuflect before the Boston farm system. I call it like I see it: I said Barnes was the deal, so I guess I’m only selectively blind, you know, because I have such a stake in Barnes being good.

  93. ManningRules August 8th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Being a fanboy is not a bad thing. It just means you have a player that you’ll defend to the enth degree no matter what.

    Gardner isn’t one of those guys for me. That’s all.

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