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Yankees slip to one game above .500

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mariano Rivera

What can you even say about that one? Would have been a nice win, the kind of win that makes you think maybe — just maybe — the Yankees could get hot, get CC Sabathia going again, and get on enough of a late roll to carry them into the playoffs. Still not a great situation, but maybe — just maybe — things could turn around. Instead, it’s a massive letdown against a bad White Sox team and suddenly the Yankees are one game over .500. After a three-game sweep in Chicago, it’s hard to feel good about this team.

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505 Responses to “Yankees slip to one game above .500”

  1. Niblick August 8th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    The season is over.

  2. Captain Clutch August 8th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    2 of Mo’s blown saves have come on the day that the opposing team honored him.

    I think it’s time to stop that crap…it’s bad luck.

    Just kidding but it stinks to lose this game.

  3. Yankee Trader August 8th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Did we set a new record tonight going 1 for 16 with RISP?

  4. Yankee Trader August 8th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Good night

  5. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:34 am

    “Mets fans have more to be excited about than Yankee fans right now.”
    ——————————————————————
    i follow the mets very closely.
    they are much farther than their fans think they are.
    buck, byrd and linares are pretty much carrying that team.
    none figures into their future. (linares=4th OF)
    they have 3 ‘pieces’, harvey, wheeler and wright.
    not trading parnell at the deadline was an absolute disaster (now on the dl)
    maybe d’arnaud joins that group (maybe he doesn’t)
    that leaves pretty much every spot on the roster that needs improvement.
    and ownership is not going to spend much if any.
    …good luck with that…

  6. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    Can’t stand to see Mariano look so sad.

    As soon as we lost, the sky just cracked open suddenly and it started to pour.

  7. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Who cares about the Mets.

    What in the world happened with Warren??

  8. TrueYankee August 8th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    That was just awful. I’m not sure how Girardi stayed with Warren there. With two lefties in that inning, Logan should have been throwing. It’s all hands on deck. There is an off day tomorrow. Stop with the babying. But still…1-16 with RISP. So…yea…

    Idk.

    :(

  9. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:38 am

    i forgot young jr. who is 4a but playing well.

    maybe he hangs on to an OF spot moving forward.

    davis, duda, tejada, valdespin all were being counted on as ‘players’ all flunked out and need to be released.

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock August 8th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    It’s not so much GB, it’s having to climb over four teams. Stupid Minny loses to KC. Texas is way ahead, Baltimore won. Only Cleveland lost, but so did we. Boston and Tampa don’t even matter any more.

  11. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    what is up with K.C.?

    hosmer coming back from the grave. moustakas actually showing life, billy butler, welcome back, buddy, where ya been?

    ervin santana showing the same signs of possibility that kept anaheim hanging on his starts…

  12. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    someone else said that the mets fans had more to root for than yankees fans. so i reacted to that.

    im not sure who cares about the mets, or the royals, or the rays, red socks, orioles or dodgers.

    but this is a baseball blog, right?

  13. Pat M. August 8th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Wonder if The Yanks will cover the 84 wins on the over / unders for me ???

  14. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    people knock fantasy baseball on here all the time.
    i find it makes me pay more attention across both leagues.
    sorry if information and opinion about ‘other’ baseball teams seems inappropriate on this blog.
    YES agrees wholeheartedly!

  15. Hankflorida August 8th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Ys Guy, i do not agree that the Mets fans have a brighter future then the Yanks, but when Mo blew that save against the Mets in May, it was a harbinger of things to come. It was at that point that reality set in that the replacement Yankees were not going to hack it as they were swept by such an awful team. I am hoping that the Yankees will rebound just as they did after the war years when the replacement players could not hold down the fort.

  16. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    pat i had 86

  17. fantasygame101 August 8th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    1-5 against sd and white sox. this team sure look like playoff bound, right cashman? start playing this game with one eye towards 2014. Like giving exposure to wells in 3b and 1b since I doubt that we will acquire a rh1b now. Also look at what you got in slade, flores in august not in September bec. it is still meaningful games to most teams.

  18. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 12:53 am

    ‘After a three-game sweep in Chicago, it’s hard to feel good about this team’

    ===========

    Uhh ………….. because they flat out stink and are old ?

  19. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    idk that wells in the IF is that big a thing. nice to have the flexibility, but seeing if sanchez can play OF or 1B would be better for the yankees in the long run, imo. (see mccann/gattis)

  20. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    thank goodness we have at least become a happy place for arod to hang out while he plays the last 50 games of his shameful career!

    That’s important!

  21. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    ‘hosmer coming back from the grave. moustakas actually showing life, billy butler, welcome back, buddy, where ya been?’

    ===========

    George Brett kicked some butt as Batting Coach ?

  22. fantasygame101 August 8th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    knowing wells can backup 1b and 3b will allow them to carry Soriano and wells. Their contract is so team friendly that they will try to carry both. Next important positions are ss and 3b. do they have an in house players. Nunez is so injury prone and take too long to recover, that to me, he is not an option there as a starter.

  23. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:04 am

    “George Brett kicked some butt as Batting Coach ?”
    ————————————————
    yeah, apparently he did, then he quit.

    the man has always had great timing. im sure he did what he could, then decided his work was done.

    it is remarkable how much better they are hitting now.

    brett truly is the golden boy.

  24. RS August 8th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    The Mets have Wright and Harvey, two star players that their franchise can build around. They also have a pretty decent farm system with several prospects that are close to major-league ready.

    The Yankees do not have a single Harvey or Wheeler type prospect to make fans excited for the future. Cano is either going to walk or sign for way more than he’s worth. Once Jeter, Pettitte, and Mo are gone this team will lose a big part of its identity. Just picture this team next year with possible no Cano, Granderson or Arod, and Jeter and Tex both coming off injury-riddled seasons. Also no Pettitte and Rivera, possibly no Kuroda, and Sabathia coming off an awful year. I just don’t see them getting better.

  25. yankinvegas August 8th, 2013 at 1:06 am

    I always try to be optimistic.
    I suppose that after 20 consecutive years that ranged from decent to all time great (98) a franchise is entitled to a crappy season.
    We will get a break with ARod’s $ – let’s be creative and use it wisely. I like Cano and he will definitely be back. We will not be lucky like Boston was and find a chump to take the bad deals.
    I honestly don’t think that our division is that great. Boston is getting outstanding years from every mediocrity they signed + Ortiz is cheating his way to a great year. Tampa is limited financially in what the can accomplish. Baltimore is about on schedule to hat Buck like all his other teams did and Toronto is not good.
    We have be patient and wait until 2014 and in the meantime hope that anyone but Boston wins the WS. Personally I want Donnie to get a ring.

  26. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:11 am

    rs, please name the prospect the mets have that are ready. or close to.

    ill give you flores, but when you read all the stories in the paper about him being called up, they refer to him as ‘one of the few hitting prospects’ or ‘the only hitting prospect’ in the system.

    for a team with no viable OF (young maybe…) no SS, no 1B, a mediocre 2B and only one decent RP its really tough to see how they are ‘on the way’

  27. Captain Clutch August 8th, 2013 at 1:12 am

    It’s time to release joba and bring up Betances to see what he can do. It’s cute that they are trying to pretend like they have a chance this year but come on it’s obvious that the team stinks.

  28. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:04 am

    I don’t believe Brett quit, he is a VP for the Royals and has been for a while and came down to do the job on a temporary basis and then went back upstairs to his regular VP job.

  29. tucker August 8th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Play the kids. Other than Mo’s swan song, evaluating the young talent is the only thing that could make the rest of the season interesting.

  30. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 1:15 am

    Captain Clutch August 8th, 2013 at 1:12 am

    You mean the great experiment of making Joba an SP for the 15th time is over ? LOL !

  31. Against All Odds August 8th, 2013 at 1:18 am

    ??? ????? ?????
    ?@andymoney69

    First prize is a playoff berth. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you’re the Phillies

    —————————–

    You get the picture. Are you laughing now?? You have money so in the off season find good players and sign them. You can’t use the money you’ve been given. You can’t use sh**. You are sh**. Hit the bricks Hal and beat it because you are going out.

  32. Against All Odds August 8th, 2013 at 1:19 am

    Are you the same Iron Horse from the YES boards?

  33. yankinvegas August 8th, 2013 at 1:19 am

    Bring up Betances and give him the 8th in Sept. Robbie can take the 7th. He will close next year. Nothing for him to prove
    Must find out about Betances. He could be real good.
    It would be great if the farm would produce next year with him, Nuno. I happen to like Nunez and feel he should be SS and Jeter should move to 3B. If Ripken did it, why not Derek?

  34. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:20 am

    iron horse…i didnt mean to make it sound like brett walked out or anything.

    more like ‘my work is done here’ and go back to his normal life.

    he IS the royals and they are lucky to have him.

    the guy is just…great.

    but, dammit, he absolutely should have been ejected for bullrushing the ump in the pine tar game.

  35. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:23 am

    i think nunez has a stronger arm than jeter but he has more range, so the 3B thing is tough.

    but i’d caution about counting on the cap’n to be the primary at any position at this point.

    i think we are alot closer to the end of his career than people think.

    it could be that this is his last season.

  36. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:29 am

    on the subject of retirement: i will be SHOCKED if jeter does what mo did and takes the ‘farewell tour’

    mo was trying to be a nice guy to everyone but it created a monster that i think embarasses mo.

    jeter will not do that.

    if he’s healthy, whatever year he decides to retire, he will announce it in september so the yankees fans get that chance to say goodbye but he doesnt have to act like riduculous ‘yankee’s cowboy boots’ are something he gives a spit about.

  37. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 1:32 am

    Against All Odds August 8th, 2013 at 1:19 am

    Nope, sorry.

  38. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 1:34 am

    Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:20 am

    Yeah he had to get back to Golfing, Drinking and Schmoozin ………… LOL !

    What a deal, he earned it tho.

  39. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:40 am

    i hate george freakin brett because im a yankees fan!

    yes HE deserves bucky’s ‘middle name’

    he was freakin frank robinson. in pale blue. on astrotuf.

    hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr………………………………………..

  40. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:43 am

    what an absolutely nice guy. (brett)

    him and brooks robinson.

    who knew? (at the time?)

    i still ‘hate’ them.

  41. jacksquat August 8th, 2013 at 1:46 am

    Has anyone figured out yet why the he11 Warren was out there for the last inning. Basically desperate for a win and Girardi keeps the long/mopup rookie out there with a day off tomorrow???

  42. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:46 am

    i still officially (as a yankee fan) ‘hate’ frank robinson. just because he’s frank robinson.

    the last time i saw FR in uniform (stad olympique in montreal) i gave him an S.O.

    i still ‘hate’ him.

  43. balotin August 8th, 2013 at 1:53 am

    We are now closer to Seattle, Toronto and the Angels then we are to the second wild card team. How low can this team sink?

  44. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 2:04 am

    Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 1:46 am

    Hate is a pretty strong word …………… just sayin

    I didn’t like the Brett pine tar HR game either.

  45. sammiejohnson August 8th, 2013 at 2:06 am

    balotin August 8th, 2013 at 1:53 am

    We are now closer to Seattle, Toronto and the Angels then we are to the second wild card team. How low can this team sink?

    ____________________________________

    How deep is the ocean?

  46. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 2:28 am

    How low can this team sink?
    =================================
    well the royals have been out of the PS for something like 27 seasons i believe.

    believe it or not, my yankees went 16 seasons w/o a postseason under george m (‘always wanted to win’)
    steinbrenner iii.

    so it can get bad.

  47. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 2:31 am

    when i said ‘hate’ i meant something like hate mixed with awe.

  48. blake August 8th, 2013 at 6:48 am

    Mo struck Dunn out and didnt get the call….thus is the 2013 season…..the fat lady ….she’s a singin…..cash needs to see what he can sell through waivers

  49. blake August 8th, 2013 at 7:01 am

    Full 7 games back in WC now …..11.5 in division. This team just isn’t good enough to make that up

  50. pkyankfan69 August 8th, 2013 at 7:15 am

    The $189M plan will now be referred to as the 187 plan because it (along with injuries) have officially murdered the 2013 Yankees. It’s all over.

  51. 4TrainNorth August 8th, 2013 at 7:47 am

    This is worse than rock bottom. This is rock bottom, and then the team went and got a tiny rock hammer, and, al la Andy Dufresne, tunneled to a new low. And then found the sewer, and played worse than it smelled.

  52. sunny615 August 8th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Chad, no offense but people have been feeling pretty fricking bad about this team for a long time now.

  53. sunny615 August 8th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    clean house – starting with Hal.

  54. sunny615 August 8th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Make a statement – don’t buy any merchandise. don’t go to any games. don’t support this team financially any way. Maybe that will finally get Hal’s attention.

  55. blake August 8th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    The worst part about the 2013 season is that currently the 2014 season look even bleaker……I hope they addess that.

  56. blake August 8th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    “clean house – starting with Hal.”

    unfortunately you can’t fire the owner…..although that would help more than anything.

  57. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Three words.

    Where is Hal?

    He’s been annoyingly silent through this debacle.

    The baseball gods have made it abundantly clear that the Yankees are not competing this season. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong.

    Last night, they finally get a much better game from CC, and they scored four runs (let’s forget about the fact it could/should have been more for a second), and Mo gets within a strike of a save and blows it. Then Cano hits his first homerun in what feels like an eternity to put them ahead in extras, and warren gets within a strike of a save, gets a ground ball that 99% of the time will be the last out, and goes on to lose the game. For everything that went well, something went wrong.

    My mom told me yesterday she will not be getting the extra package that lets her watch Yankee games next year. She said its no fun and she won’t watch if they’re losing. If we think the stadium is empty this year, next year it will be a ghost town. the team is going to be unrecognizable.

    I do not trust Hal Steinbrenner to be true to his word about aborting the austerity plan if it results in a non-competitive team. I do not trust him because he’s conspicuous in his absence since May and especially in this period.

    I never ever buy into the “if George were alive” stuff, but I think we can all agree that the one thing George would not have been in this type of situation is silent.

  58. blake August 8th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    “Where is Hal?”

    swimming in his money bin.

    “I do not trust Hal Steinbrenner to be true to his word about aborting the austerity plan if it results in a non-competitive team. I do not trust him because he’s conspicuous in his absence since May and especially in this period.”

    I love this…..if Doreen is mad then Hal is in trouble. You hear this little henchman that reads blogs and reports to Hal…..fans aren’t happy.

  59. randy l. August 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    “Archer was the AL pitcher of the month in July after going 4-0 with a 0.73 ERA in five starts.”-espn

    the differnce between the rays and the yankees is personified in archer.

    the rays tweaked archer into being a really good pitcher.

    you will not find it in any newspaper article, but the rays MADE archer learn to win by only throwing his weak pitch until he mastered it.

    can you think of any yankee pitcher forced to win by using a third or fourth best pitch.

    with hughes, the cry was he’s so good he has nothing else to learn in the minors.

    yeah he did.

    he needed to learn to win with his weakest pitch.

    doing what the rays did with archer slowed down his development but now they have something the yankees don’t.

    the rays ownership and management is kicking the yankee owners and management’s asses.

    i personally don’t like it and haven’t for a long time.

    it’s time for change.

  60. blake August 8th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    “the differnce between the rays and the yankees is personified in archer.

    the rays tweaked archer into being a really good pitcher.”

    another difference is that the Rays took an asset that they couldn’t sign (Garza) and traded him to get Archer and others. The Yankees would have held Garza until he was a FA and lost him for nothing…….

    The Yankees shouldn’t operate totally like the Rays…..but they have to get out of their little box that they have operated in for so long because the game has changed…..the market has changed…..teams have more money now……

  61. Ys Guy August 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    “Make a statement – don’t buy any merchandise. don’t go to any games. don’t support this team financially any way.”
    ==============================================
    you never have to tell the fair weather fans what to do, they always figure it out.

  62. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Blake,

    More sad and disappointed than mad.

    It made sense at the beginning of the season (to me), before the Armageddon of injuries, the plague of multiple DL, that they could try and squeak the season through with the players they had and the veteran pieces they picked up. The pitching was strong, there could be just enough offense. But everything went wrong, every margin for error breached, some predictable, some not so predictable. And I’m pragmatic about the injuries having a great deal to do with how the season unfolds and I do feel like it is a valid reason to point to for the demise of this season.

    However, they can’t do this next season. They won’t have the same base as they had before the injuries started to amass. They are starting the season minus about half the team and the may have as few as two solid starters in the rotation.

    To be the best you have to have more best players than average to below average players, and then you also have to have some players playing over their heads, and you also have to have some luck, and enough of a margin for error to withstand the bumps and bruises that usually occur.

    I get not wanting to pay a tax that was designed specifically to “punish” the Yankees. But it s ironic to me that it was giving the Yankees the opportunity to reset the tax that ended up giving everyone what they thought they wanted: a weakened NY Yankees.

  63. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    If you think this looks bad, the immediate future is far worse. They have eight for agents who actually contribute. The minor league system looks no better than ten years ago from looking at player statistics.

    The attendance should be interesting. It has to drop by a ton.

    And Hal fiddles. The lack of any statement tells us all we need to know.

  64. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Has Hal been to a game? Truly, does he ever go?

  65. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Randy one big difference for the Rays and Yankees is that the Rays winning is still treated like icing on the cake.

    Unless they were willing to send Hughes back to the minors to throw his secondary pitches exclusively, there was no way they were going to withstand on the job development. And if I recall, part of the problem with Hughes, Kennedy and Joba was that they were dominating minor league hitters I think using all their pitches.

    The issue is when they were all brought up in 2008 and got off to such a rough start, with the offense that was supposed to allow for the bumps and bruises of development wasn’t there in the first several weeks of the season. The Yankees panicked and aborted. It is ironic that they didn’t make the payoffs that year anyway, but they were so afraid of falling too far behind, that they abandoned a good plan.

    The Rays could live with the initial bad games. The Yankees could not.

    The winning was all-consuming and always will be the first priority in NY.

  66. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    “Make a new plan Stan.

    Just drop off the key [ Hal ].

    And set [us all] free.”

    ;)

  67. bruceb August 8th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Where is the accountability for the 2013 New York Yankees?

    Where is ownership telling us that the team will be better next year – even it means scrapping the $189 million payroll plan.

    Where is the pink slip for Brian Cashman after the appalling job he has done over the past two years?

    Where is Joe Girardi admitting he cost is last night’s game by not putting a bunt down with runners on 1st and 2nd and no outs in two successive innings?

    Where is the public criticism for CC not covering first base and Cano continually failing to run out the bases.

    Why are 12 players serving bans for shaming the sport but the biggest offender is making his comeback this week?

    Surely someone – and some time soon – has to be held accountable for the direction this great ball club is going in?

    Or will they just think everything is fine when the Stadium is full tomorrow night…not to watch the team but to be part of the freak show.

  68. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Doreen-

    IMO you should be angry.

    Your owner lied to your face.

    He lied to all of our faces.

    Best thing he could do right now is leave.

    I hope I’m right in my theory that he has been readying the Team for sale.

    The sooner the better as far as I’m concerned.

    ;)

  69. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    How can one say it won’t be like this again next year ? Can you truly and honestly say that the Yanks are going to pour money into this team again to make it Championship caliber next year ?

    No, its not going to happen. They are going to take out the trash and get under $ 189 come hell or high water.

    That has been the plan all along and most know it.

  70. randy l. August 8th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    “another difference is that the Rays took an asset that they couldn’t sign (Garza) and traded him to get Archer and others. The Yankees would have held Garza until he was a FA and lost him for nothing…….”

    bingo.

    they also maxed out with shields and turned him at the end of 6 years of value into archer too. acher was designed to replace shields. and now they have myers.

  71. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Hoodwinked.

    It’s a good word.

    If you don’t know it’s meaning look it up.

    ;)

  72. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    No foresight and no accountability. Yet, things simply rolls on in a completely directionless way. Let the players leave and get nothing because we are in a pennant race. No we aren’t and haven’t been for a month or more.

  73. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    And I don’t know enough about what the Yankees do with their pitchers (or position players) at the minor league level to really talk about that. I don’t know how much differently they operate than most other teams.

    I will say, though, that when you have as much money as the Yankees do, and you place such a premium on winning and being the best, as the Yankees do, then every aspect of the organization should be top notch.

    I don’t know enough to say that they don’t spend enough money there, or whether their programs are simply not good or the people running the programs are not good, but it is certain that they have no one ready to step in next season.

    And the injury hit at the minor league level is mind boggling this season as well.

  74. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I told you before.

    I say it again.

    A fish rots from the top down.

    ;)

  75. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Good morning all —–

    Last night did me in. It’s over for me. No hopes for post-season and no reason at all to “go for it” in 2014.

    the Yanks do have CC, Tex and Alex long term and they have Jeter, Ichiro, Wells and Soriano for 2014.

    Everyone else on next year’s team has to be under 30…. as much under 30 as possible.

    Cut ticket prices, concessions prices and parking prices and admit to fans a two-year rebuild is getting underway.

  76. blake August 8th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    “It made sense at the beginning of the season (to me), before the Armageddon of injuries, the plague of multiple DL, that they could try and squeak the season through with the players they had and the veteran pieces they picked up. ”

    I think the issue for me is that this was always probably going to happen…..sure they could have gotten lucky and all these guys have stayed healthy and played like they did 5 years ago but how likely was that ever going to be?

    Many of us saw this coming all off season or at least knew this was a possibility.

    The 189 business is fine as a goal…..but it should be a long term goal and not a forced one that the organization isn’t ready for……it was always pretty unlikely that they could cut payroll that much and compete….the farm system isn’t strong enough or close enough and they had too much bad money on the books.

    If Hal is smart….he will hold a press conference and announce that they are dropping the plan until they can do it successfully…….

  77. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    86-

    The Yankees do not admit anything.

    They’ll just say it was the injuries.

  78. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Blake-

    He isn’t gonna do it.

    He’ll say how disappointed he is but that the injuries did us in.

    He’ll say that next season we will be back.

    And that they are still committed to winning.

    They’ll splash around a little money next yr.

    Apply more aids and a fresh coat of paint.

    189 will still be the priority. Period. End of story.

    Prove me wrong Hal and I will apologize.

    I dare ya’.

  79. austinmac August 8th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Cut ticket prices-yea, that’ll happen. Then, I will win the lottery.

  80. RMS August 8th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    bruceb,

    There is no accountability from management for this team.
    Pink slip for Cash? Don’t think so.
    Girardi, who managed in the NL, doesn’t admit mistakes.
    CC and Cano receive no criticism from Girardi or management.
    Aroid appealed, so can play.

    Fans need to stay away and I mean in droves.
    Aroid, I think, will be booed and rightfully so.

  81. blake August 8th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Yankee fans aren’t going to accept excuses……attendance is already down….if they do nothing this winter then it’ll be a ghost town after the first couple of weeks in 2014.

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  82. 86w183 August 8th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    The fan base will accept injuries as a partial explanation. but when you are old and slow you cannot say the old guys will be healthy and that will solve everything.

    I would rather a massive re-build than bringing the old guys back and adding to the mix with guys like McCann and Peralta.

    Might make for a pretty good team, but a team with even less of a future. UNLESS they scrap $ 189 altogether and begin strengthening weak positions while waiting for more contracts to expire.

    But if I get to make the decision I’m letting every FA go with only QO to Cano and Kuroda.

  83. blake August 8th, 2013 at 8:46 am

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    yup….prove us wrong Hal. We will find out what you’re about over the next 6 months but I can tell you…..Yankee fans will mutiny if you go out and blame this mess on a bunch of 38 year olds getting hurt.

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    I agree … I think back on that interview that Hal gave right before spring training and how incredulous he was about how the fans were disappointed that they felt the Yankees didnt spend money on improving the team during the off season.

    He pointed out all the money they did spend and how once again they had the highest payroll, but glossed over the fact that much of that money was already baked in with their core (aging) starts (Jeter, Arod, CC, Tex) and that the “big money” they did spend for this year was to simply resign players who were here from last year (Kuroda, Andy, Mo, and Ichiro) … Youkilis not withstanding.

    He simply didnt “here” the fans and acknowledge that after an embarrasing 4 game sweep in the ALCS, where the offense was non-exisent, the whole strategy of “addition by retention” was not exactly energizing the fan base.

    The old saying of “You reap what you sow” is so true for the Yankees now. Yeah, they couldn’t anticipate how all of these injuries would ultimately derail any chance they had of getting back to the post season again, but this prevailing strategy of bringing in aging players on 1 year deals as their main off season strategy finally caught up with them.

    The fans wont accept it anymore because the team is no longer good (injuries or no injuries). The stadium will look even bigger and more cavernous when it is half empty by mid-May next year if the team continues to stink and people stop coming to watch an inferior product.

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  85. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    You can’t try to sell the team with the payroll sky high and out of control

    $ 189 is a comin, not all these pipe dream F/A’s many talk about here.

  86. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Blake-

    What if he was planning to sell all along.

    Look what was paid for a crap team like the Dodgers were under McCourt.

    The best they’ll do is use the A-rod money to buy one or 2 pieces.

    I’d like to see a clean sweep w the possible exception of Girardi.

    And a rebuild of the Team around whatever is worth salvaging.

    They should be putting just about everyone out on waivers.

    Think they’ll let any assets go ?

    Sure. Joba maybe. And possibly Hughes.

    Like I said. I hope I am dead wrong and need to apologize.

  87. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 8:50 am

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    I still maintain that while you could foresee some injuries, just as the normal course of baseball, no one could have foreseen Tex out for the season, Granderson out for two thirds of the season, Cervelli out for the season, 10 zillion players at third base. The injuries to Granderson and Tex, as imperfect as they are, were big hits to this lineup.

    And while some people figured they wouldn’t win the division, most thought they compete for wild card within too much of a sweat, and not too many people thought they’d be quite THIS bad.

    As for firing Cashman, why would they fire a guy who is doing what they told him to do? Cashman has not been shy about saying his hands are tied financially. It is his job to carry out the mandate to cut payroll and not acquire any new long term contracts. He’s fulfilling his duty to ownership. I think ownership saw how successful Cashman and his team has been in the past couple of years in picking up the last two or three pieces for the team through dumpster diving and figured they could take it to the next level, which of course, you cannot.

    I think he should resign, however, because ownership is not really in the baseball business anymore.

  88. Shame Spencer August 8th, 2013 at 8:51 am

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    I still have Hal’s “we signed 4 of the top 5 free agents on the market” statement reverberating in my mind…..

  89. Wave Your Hat August 8th, 2013 at 8:54 am

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    If this team crashes this year, I do think there’s a better chance of the Yanks abandoning austerity next year. In the meantime it’s kind of like watching a train wreck.

  90. JimK August 8th, 2013 at 8:54 am

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    I then had to listen to the “IF” losers lament of the announcer’s and Girardi. Girardi also looked more downcast and defeated than I had ever seen him; his platitude about needing to start winning games sounded empty and he appeared to lack the conviction that this was even possible anymore. He seemed like a man that knew he had a bad team and this “was as good as it’s going to get.”
    I had previously posted that I thought the team was probably done in 2010, but their record over the next 3 seasons proved me wrong; I even thought this team would struggle to win 85 or 86 games this season, but after their strong start I though maybe I am wrong again. However, after being swept by the Mets and a series of 5 game losing streaks it became apparent that the Y’s time had come and regardless of what the players say the A-Rod situation did not help.
    The bottom line is the Y’s have become a marketing organization instead of a baseball organization and almost every team is run by better baseball people.

  91. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 8:54 am

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    Massive rebuild ?

    With what ? They don’t have the pieces in the system

    Mesa ? Neal ? (Released) Almonte ? A 1B option ? (None) Romine ? (nice to see he is finally getting a chance to play) Adams ?

    Just appears that even in a down year (2013) they still don’t give the young guys a consistent opportunity to show what they have.

  92. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    The Yanks haven’t won a series since July 2nd. Fact.

  93. RMS August 8th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Do the Yankees have any young players they can bring up and play? This season is lost. At least play some young kids.

  94. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Without too much of a sweat, that is..

    *******

    They won’t be selling very many luxury boxes either. My suggestion would be to rip out the recliners and put in more regular seating and reduce the luxury food service (dont have to eliminate it altogether). People like to be able to have a hope of being close to the action.

  95. MTU August 8th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Doreen-

    You know how much respect I have for you so please do not take this the wrong way.

    But I think you are being way too understanding of Mgmnt in this instance.

    You are letting your love for the Yankees and your innate fairness blind you to the fact that
    we have been lied too.

    When Hal said he would fix this Team if it wasn’t competitive there were no qualifications added to the statement.

    It was straightforward.

    And as you say where has he been ?

    Doesn’t that give you even more evidence ?

  96. Doreen August 8th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    JimK,

    I agree that the Mets series was the first time I thought, uh-oh.

    They had the two 5-game losing streaks, but never put together a winning streak to counteract even one of those.

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    I think the issue for me is that this was always probably going to happen…..sure they could have gotten lucky and all these guys have stayed healthy and played like they did 5 years ago but how likely was that ever going to be?

    Many of us saw this coming all off season or at least knew this was a possibility.

    Actually they weren’t reliant on the stopgaps. The team is still in the thick of the race if Tex and Granderson don’t miss the whole season (until now), Jeter isn’t out 2-3 months more than the conservative estimate for his return, plus Nunez and Cervelli, plus CC’s ERA jumping 1.5 runs.

    The season was not reliant on Youkilis, Wells, Ichiro and Hafner playing like 5 years ago.

  99. Iron Horse August 8th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Who will be back next year ?

    Wells (well you know ……..)
    Soriano
    Jeter
    Tex (a .250 hitter now)
    Gardner
    Stewart (cuz Girardi loves him)
    Ichiro
    Romine

    CC
    Robertson
    Nova

    Perhaps a surprise when Sept. call ups occur ?

    Not a lot to look forward to with that nucleus

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    This season is what it is due to injuries. It was smart to let Swisher walk and there was no FA worth going for. Martin hit .190 through August last year, so while I thought he should be signed, I get it. As Jon Daniels said when Texas was here, there is no Plan B for injuries to key players.

    The team is at a cross roads, commit to true rebuild which means letting Cano, Granderson and other FA go or keeping Cano/Granderson and piece meal around them. Regardless of choice, Cashman should go. The fact that our farm hasn’t produced more then a handful of usefull assets is on him. That and some of comments he’s made this year tell me it’s time to move on. It happens in any business.

    Lastly, if they don’t win and don’t put out an attractive team, YES and attendance will get killed. That’s not poor fans, that’s reality. Even this years team I’ve found myself channel surfing.

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