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Postgame notes: “You want to turn boos into cheers”

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Brett Gardner, Alex Rodriguez

That game had a little bit of everything, didn’t it?

Mariano Rivera blew a third consecutive save for the first time in his storied career, but his teammates picked him up with the long ball. Alex Rodriguez hit his first homer of the season in the second inning, Alfonso Soriano jacked one out for his 2,000th career hit in the fourth, and Brett Gardner provided the final blow in the ninth for a 5-4 walk-off win against the Detroit Tigers.

“Mo’s bailed us out quite a few times,” Gardner said after his second walk-off hit in three games. “It was big just to be able to get the win today. It doesn’t matter how it happened.”

The Yankees needed the win badly, that’s for sure. Gardner mentioned that he couldn’t remember the last time that they won a series, and it’s hard to blame him. You’d have to go all the way back to July 5-7, but they finally got back on the winning track against arguably the top team in the AL.

Their playoff hopes are still pretty far-fetched, but that shouldn’t diminish the value of one of the most exciting wins of the season.

“It’s a great win for us,” Joe Girardi said. “It’s extremely important because we had the lead, and we lost the lead. We’re going to be playing in our division a lot and we’re going to be playing a lot of good teams. We need to win games.”

Mariano Rivera, Victor Martinez• There’s a lot to talk about, but let’s start with perhaps the most surprising part about today. We’ve seen Rivera go through brief struggles occasionally in his career, but never before has he blown three saves in a row. While Girardi and Rivera’s teammates didn’t seemed the least bit concerned about the unprecedented skid, Rivera acknowledged that he has been having trouble with his location. He entered the game with a 4-2 lead, but gave up solo homers to Miguel Cabrera and Victor Martinez to tie the game. “It’s not surprising. You’re talking about professional hitters,” Rivera said. “At the same time, I’m not putting the ball where I want it.”

• A loss today would have been as deflating as they get, but Gardner hit an absolute bomb into the second deck in right field before we even had much time to process the blown the save. “He threw me a first-pitch changeup, down and away,” Gardner said. “It was pretty close, but it was a ball. And then he gave me a good fastball to hit.”

• Before Rivera’s rough ninth inning, David Robertson had allowed a solo homer to Brayan Pena in the eighth to cut the Yankees’ lead to 4-2, but Gardner made a potentially game-saving play in center field. Torii Hunter hit a deep fly ball with a runner on, but Gardner made the catch before colliding into the wall. He went down hard, but had the wherewithal to roll the ball to Soriano, who relayed it to the infield for an inning-ending double play. “It just completely knocked the breath out of me,” Gardner said. “I didn’t get hurt at all. I knew Sori was coming over to play it in case the ball came off the wall. I kind saw him as I was going down, so I just rolled the ball in. I ended up fooling (Austin Jackson) on the bases. It worked out perfect.”

• Gardner might not have the flashiest numbers, but you can’t deny that he’s been one of the Yankees most consistent position players this season. He plays hard — as we’ve seen time after time when he gives up his body to chase balls down in the outfield — and just seems to have a grittiness about him. “He’s been outstanding for us,” Girardi said. “He’s had a really, really good year for us, and we need that to continue. We really missed him last year when he was hurt, and he’s had a chance to play everyday, and he’s been really good.”

Alex Rodriguez• Prior to Rivera’s implosion, Rodriguez had been the story of the game. In his first at-bat, he took a 1-0 fastball from Justin Verlander and deposited it in the right field seats for his first homer since Sept. 14. “It felt good to get that first one out of the way,” the embattled third baseman said. “We definitely want to answer the bell against a guy like Verlander, and not let him get too comfortable. He’s one of the two or three best guys in the game, if not the best.”

• In the third inning, A-Rod came through again with a two-out RBI single down the first base line. He looked confused when the ball came off the bat and didn’t start running at first, which he attributed to rust because he said he thought he fouled it off into the upper deck. Still, the fact that he had two big hits off of one of the best right-handers in the game was an extremely encouraging sign. “I think all great pitchers, they have one thing in common – they attack you and throw strikes. No matter if they hit you, they come back at you the next time,” he said. “It’s a work in progress. I should get better, hopefully, everyday. Today was a step in the right direction.”

• A-Rod made an error in the third on a tough play, but he also made a few plays that you probably didn’t expect him to make. I noticed this morning when he came out early to take grounders that his arm looked strong, and he put it on display in the game. He definitely looks better physically than he did towards the end of last season, which was also evident based on the way he was able to turn on a pitch in his first at-bat and pull it out to left. “Too much tests,” he said with a laugh. “That’s always the case when you have Andy Pettitte pitching. Jeet and I usually get tons of work. Those are days we get ready for. Today was a good day all around. I felt pretty good.”

• Obviously, after he homered early in the game, many of the boos directed at A-Rod turned into cheers. He seemed to take notice. “I think the fans have been incredible. I said that yesterday,” he said. “You want to turn boos into cheers. You want to make them proud, and all you want is really an opportunity and a chance. I think New York always gives you that.”

• Pettitte only allowed one run, but he certainly didn’t give the team the type of length that he would like to. For the eighth consecutive start, he gave up a run in the first inning, which resulted in an elevated pitch count. He ended up allowing eight hits and three walks over 4 1/3 innings while striking out three. He threw 101 pitches, which isn’t exactly economical, but Girardi was pleased with the way that he battled. “I thought it was gritty,” Girardi said of the outing. “He was in trouble a lot, and figured out ways to get out of innings and only give up the one run. I thought it was extremely gritty on his part.”

• I’ll give the final word to A-Rod: “I had a couple days like this, but they were in Scranton and don’t count as much. Look, we’re going to fight all the way to the end. I like the way we’re playing. We lost a couple tough games here, but we’ve won a couple good ones, as well.”

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182 Responses to “Postgame notes: “You want to turn boos into cheers””

  1. UnKnown August 11th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    BOOM!!!

  2. Tar August 11th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    That’s what makes this funny ppl hate A-rod but he helped them win today and it creates a conflict. “I’m glad we won but that pos is the reason why ughhhh”

    AAO

    That made me think of this scene from LOTR

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs

  3. Against All Odds August 11th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Great scene from LOTR.

    It fits this current situation.

  4. fantasygame101 August 11th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    they are still not playing the game with one eye towards the future. Stewart still playing, Vernon wells not gaining experience in 1st and 3rd and adams in the minors. Now the relievers are joining the things that are going bad, first the offense then the starting pitchers and now the relievers.

  5. MTU August 11th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Great victory today.

    Congrats to Soriano on his 2000th hit.

    To A-Rod for his 1st homer of the season.

    And to GGBG for his game winning walk-off.

    :)

  6. MTU August 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    As promised earlier I am reposting the link to Luis’s trip to Canaima national Park in Venezuela for those who may have missed it earlier in the day.

    just click on the link below to view them :

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109721757058432487394/albums/5910649109816478241?authkey=CI3YmfOex5WYmwE

    thanks to Luis for sharing his “Indiana Jones” adventure.

    :)

  7. Hankflorida August 11th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    As “The Sandman” exits the stage, we realize that age has taken its toll on both him and his team. Winning began with the era of Ruth followed by the eras of DiMaggio and Mantle, and when mediocrity reared its ugly head during the Horace Clarke Era, there was no one to lead the charge. Not signing Cano with Mo and Jeter leaving is like the Yankees letting Mantle go when DiMag retired. Success is keeping your superstar a d building around him.

  8. pulchritudinous August 11th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    what should anger most of you regarding Arod is that he is out for every last penny he can scrounge from the Yankees, as if he hasnt earned enough in his career. our team has the possibility of being significantly better next season if Alex had accepted his suspension or is suspended for the whole 2014 season following his appeal. that’s what I simply can’t understand about some of you “over the top” Arod apologists. His production isn’t worth what he’s getting paid.

    I agree, Arod makes mistakes like any other human being. All he is guilty of is having used PEDs. Who gives a rat’s tuchus!! He’s not a murderer, rapist, child molester, or a grotesque human being that takes shots at Sir Alex Ferguson.

  9. TheStraw August 11th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Must be I’m the Yanks good luck charm as I was at both wins this weekend.

    Or maybe I’m Mo’s bad luck charm.

  10. TheStraw August 11th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Hank-

    I think they will give him what it takes to keep him here.

  11. pkyankfan69 August 11th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Kershaw is awesome against everyone but lefties might as well not even bother this year against him…. .131/.181/.177/.358…. I particularly like the .177 slugging %, jeeze.

  12. pat August 11th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    “what should anger most of you regarding Arod is that he is out for every last penny he can scrounge from the Yankees”

    That’s the last thing that angers me. It’s a business relationship. He makes them money.

  13. Tar August 11th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    What angers me is what a phony Alex is.

    You see in that picture at the top of the page…. he is not hugging Gardner for the walk-off homer. Oh no… he is hugging Gardner because Bret threw him his helmet as he he approached the plate. Selfish Alex wasn’t thinking about anybody but himself. I’m on to you Alex!

    :mad:

    #justanothereasontohateAlex

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=29624533

    Thats about how ridiculous I think some of this vilification crap is.

  14. JobaTipsHisCap August 11th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Arod haters can’t wait for next game.
    Lol

    Just pathetic, plain and simple.

  15. vrsce August 11th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    ARod is in the lineup for the rest of the year, so, to quote Al Davis:
    “Just Win Baby”

  16. pulchritudinous August 11th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    How can you quantify how much money ARod makes the Yankees? Moreover, the Yankees don’t need ARod to make them money, they are a universal brand.

    Any business relationship with ARod subsequent to 2001 is based on lies.

  17. Bronx Jeers August 11th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Most watched Yankee game of the season?

    ARod’s first game back

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....14442.html

  18. UnKnown August 11th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Man I’m sure glad I’m not like some of you mopes. I thoroughly enjoyed this series and really really enjoyed today’s game. I so hope this team goes on a miraculous run and not only makes the playoffs but win the whole damn thing. Yeah I know keep dreaming…

    While some people TAKE A STAND HMMPH! and scream at the top of their lungs over hating Alex for something tons and tons of players have done in the past, I’m going to enjoy the rest of the season as best as I can. :grin:

    Have fun taking a stand though, let me know if anyone gives a sh*t. Hint no one will. Good luck though. :wink: Oh and GO ALEEEEEEEEEEX!!!

  19. Bronx Jeers August 11th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Here’s an article from 2007 about ARod’s impact on the Yankees bottom line.

    http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/1.....sportsbiz/

  20. UnKnown August 11th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    BTW Tar, you are absolutely nailing what’s going on here. You couldn’t be more SPOT ON!!

  21. pulchritudinous August 11th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Not sure how the most watched game has much to do with anything. I bet the final game of the season – given the Yankees are out of the playoffs – will be the most watched game as Mariano should be guaranteed of getting in there. It won’t prove how much money Mariano makes the Yankees.

    I’ll read the cnn article in a moment.

  22. blake August 11th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    @JeffPassan: Cardinals’ final offer to Pujols was $210M. For $203.5M, they got Yadier Molina through 2017, Adam Wainwright and Allen Craig through 2018.

    This is what I’ve been talking about with Cano

  23. pulchritudinous August 11th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    “Vince Gennaro, a consultant to numerous major league teams and the author of “Diamonds and Dollars,” a book about the economics of baseball, has done an analysis that suggests A-Rod could produce $48 million per year in revenue and asset appreciation for the Yankees, allowing the team to pay him $34 million in salary, along with a 40 percent luxury tax, and still break even.”

    YES success: “A-Rod is a contributing factor, like all the players are,” said Berke. “But he’s not a big factor. The brand is much bigger than A-Rod.”

    There isn’t anything conclusive within that article. Speculation. Speculation prior to any PED allegations against ARod.

  24. blake August 11th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    @HardballTalk: Report: Top Cuban slugger Jose Dariel Abreu defects http://t.co/4QTJT0dAWT #mlb #hbt

    Oh snap…..sign him

  25. blake August 11th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Abreu can hit…. 26 years old…..of course we have Tex clogging up everything

  26. pkyankfan69 August 11th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Abreu can hit…. 26 years old…..of course we have Tex clogging up everything
    ——————————-
    Too bad we need the DH slot to rotate out 5,000 old players.

  27. yankinvegas August 11th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    Sign him and worry about where to play him later. You don’t want the Mets or Bos to get him.
    By the way, I had to make a 6 hr drive today and I listened to John and Suzyn on MLB radio. Living in Vegas, I watch all the game and I haven’t listened to a full game since 2006. It was tedious to say the least.
    Who do you want to replace Sterling next season? I say get Dave Fleming away from SF. Team him with Flaherty on radio. Flash is nuts and bolts and needs to get away from that egomaniac Kay.

  28. pulchritudinous August 11th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    money is better spent elsewhere, such as McCann and a pitcher.

  29. Tar August 11th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Blake how’s his defense? Does he play any other positions?

  30. TheStraw August 11th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Why does anyone put Selena Roberts on a sports talk show and assume she’s credible?

  31. pulchritudinous August 11th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    contrary to showalter’s proclamation, i hope the Yankees won’t want any part of Wieters. McCann any day of the week.

  32. pulchritudinous August 11th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    because she hates ARod and Duke. 2 things that inferior people enjoy hating.

  33. pkyankfan69 August 11th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Damn, this guy has put up CRAZY #’s

    http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/20.....ball-stats

    Last 4 years OPS:

    1.377
    1.583
    1.379
    1.134 (little less than half of this year)

    Those are juiced up Barroid #’s

  34. blake August 11th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    Tar says:
    August 11, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    Blake how’s his defense? Does he play any other positions?

    Just saw him a couple of times in the WBC….it looked fine…..I don’t really think he plays anywhere else but he can hit

  35. Jerkface August 11th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Jose Abreu is known as the Cuban Barry Bonds, gotta get that guy. Seriously. Not signing him is tantamount to negligence.

  36. blake August 11th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Jerkface says:
    August 11, 2013 at 10:51 pm
    Jose Abreu is known as the Cuban Barry Bonds, gotta get that guy. Seriously. Not signing him is tantamount to negligence.

    We both know they won’t cause they have Tex

  37. pkyankfan69 August 11th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    If George were alive he would have multiple private jets heading down to the different locations this guy is said to be at

  38. UnKnown August 11th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    I know it stinks to give Gardner a day off here and there, but I think that has probably led to him being really productive. Sometimes it’s worth it, I guess.

  39. fantasygame101 August 11th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    sign Abreu. We have 1b and dh to put tex and Abreu.

  40. pkyankfan69 August 11th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Hal, if you are reading this right now, I promise to buy an Abreu jersey if you sign him… I’ll even spring for the real jersey instead of cheaping out like usual with the T-Shirt jersey.

    Pretty please!

  41. fantasygame101 August 11th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    we should all pre-order an Abreu merchandise.

  42. Jorge Mexico August 11th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Tar August 11th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    What angers me is what a phony Alex is.

    You see in that picture at the top of the page…. he is not hugging Gardner for the walk-off homer. Oh no… he is hugging Gardner because Bret threw him his helmet as he he approached the plate. Selfish Alex wasn’t thinking about anybody but himself. I’m on to you Alex!

    :mad:

    #justanothereasontohateAlex

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play……d=29624533

    Thats about how ridiculous I think some of this vilification crap is.

    ====================================================

    I’m sorry, Tar, but this is one of the silliest things I’ve ever seen over here. FYI, since Alex’s 1st hip surgery, he’s been the one that picks up the helmet of the player who gives the Yankees a walk-off win. Saying that he was hugging Gardner because he threw his helmet to Alex, and not because of the W, is simply ridiculous.
    Of course, you have the right to hate A-Rod, just as I have the right to root for him (and for the Yankees). Just, please, stop the stupidity

  43. blake August 11th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    fantasygame101 says:
    August 11, 2013 at 11:14 pm
    we should all pre-order an Abreu merchandise.

    Probably need to get it in Red Sox or Rangers colors

  44. Against All Odds August 11th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    TheStraw August 11th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
    Why does anyone put Selena Roberts on a sports talk show and assume she’s credible?

    ———————–

    Because she was the first one to really expose A-rod so whenever anything comes up she will be the first to get called. I don’t like her but she is their go to journalist right now.

  45. Jerkface August 11th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    It doesnt matter what position Abreu plays. You play him at 1st, DH, and RF. Who cares if he is not great in RF when RF is small and he will hit 50 bombs in NYS

  46. Tar August 11th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Jorge

    I was mocking the haters. It was sarcasm, sorry I wasn’t clear. If you read the last line again maybe it will be clearer.

    ——–

    UnKnown

    Thanks :D

  47. Tar August 11th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    “It doesnt matter what position Abreu plays. ”

    Well maybe not to us, but i wonder how important it is to him to play 1B or maybe more importantly not Dh?

  48. blake August 11th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    189 won’t allow them to sign Abreu anyway

  49. Nick in SF August 11th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    You go, Jorge Mexico! ;)

  50. Jerkface August 11th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Well maybe not to us, but i wonder how important it is to him to play 1B or maybe more importantly not Dh?

    Give him lots of money, that usually shuts them up. Tex will be gone in 3 years anyways. Give Abreu a 6 year deal. He will be the main 1B by 2016 if Tex’s decline keeps up anyways.

  51. Nick in SF August 11th, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Maybe it’s important to the Cuban defoctor to make a lot of money, so just offer him the most money and he may listen.

    If all Hal/Levine do if follow other better-run teams, then maybe someone has told them about the other Cubans they squandered chances to sign and they’ll get this one.

  52. blake August 11th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    “Maybe it’s important to the Cuban defoctor to make a lot of money, so just offer him the most money and he may listen.”

    Some team besides the Yankees probably will

  53. G. Love August 11th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    I’m already in for betting blake that if Hughes signs in the NL his ERA will be over 4.25 next season.

    I’m also willing to place a friendly wager that Tex will spend more than 25 days on the DL next season and bat below .215 against RHP.

    His swing has broken down, his body is breaking down…the Yankees need a 1b.

    I’ll take the Cuban Barry Bonds over Tex’s “30/100″ which he hasn’t done in a few years now.

  54. blake August 11th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    I’m already in for betting blake that if Hughes signs in the NL his ERA will be over 4.25 next season.”

    NL west! ;)

  55. G. Love August 11th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    blake,

    I was opening it up to the entire NL for your benefit, but we can restrict it to the NL West, lol.

    I almost feel like Hughes purposely won’t sign with an NL West team because everyone is expecting him to.

    Watch. He’ll end up in Boston or Oakland.

  56. Tar August 11th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    “NL west! ”

    Rockies :twisted:

  57. blake August 11th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    “I almost feel like Hughes purposely won’t sign with an NL West team because everyone is expecting him to.

    Watch. He’ll end up in Boston or Oakland.”

    Id recommend Oakland

  58. Nick in SF August 11th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Cuban Barry Bonds vs. Hughes in Oakland? I’d pay to see it.

  59. G. Love August 11th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    I can’t wait for Yankees hitters to bat against Hughes if we ever have any again.

  60. Deal With It August 11th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    So the narcissist, cheater, liar, drug user and all around POS hit a HR today, big deal.

    He helped contribute to the team victory, nice.

    Does that make him a good guy, a savior, a hero, wipe the slate clean, no.

    He is still the biggest POS in MLB no matter what he does going forward.

    His career is tainted and he will never get into the HOF.

    The sooner he starts his suspension, the sooner he will be forgotten.

  61. Nick in SF August 11th, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Hughes probably can’t wait to face Stewie and Nixy.

  62. G. Love August 12th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    I’m pitching a buddy cop show to TNT called Stewart & Nix where they solve crimes at a below average rate for their department but they’re such nice professional guys that their Lieutenant Girardi keeps putting them out there to solve all the big cases.

  63. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    G love ,
    My luck is that the NL west team he will sign with will be the one tar mentioned

  64. Deal With It August 12th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    ‘The Cuban Barry Bonds’

    ============

    Does he use the ‘clear’, the ‘cream’, or the ‘lozenges’ ?

    Do they have PED testing in communist Cuba ?

    Ha !

  65. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    Stewie has a lower Slg % than on base %. Is there another non pitcher in baseball who also has that?

  66. Nick in SF August 12th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Thomas Neal as their do-gooder rookie cop buddy who meets up with them at Applebee’s and says the jalapeno poppers are “on point.”

  67. G. Love August 12th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    blake,

    I do have that feeling that Colorado would overpay Hughes to come there and give up HR’s.

    I think Hughes’ market is collapsing and he may end up in a Houston/Colorado situation.

  68. Tar August 12th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    “Stewie has a lower Slg % than on base %. Is there another non pitcher in baseball who also has that?”

    But I love the way he runs right back to the bench and starts putting on his gear as if nothing happened. He’s a gamer I tell you.

  69. Nick in SF August 12th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    If Hughes goes to Colorado he’ll sleep in the humidor the nights before he pitches.

  70. Tar August 12th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    :D LOL

  71. G. Love August 12th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Hughes best bet would be to end up pitching in large park…like Yellowstone.

    Thank you very much, I’ll be here all week.

  72. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    If I was Hughes’s agent….my strategy would be to try and get him to take a 1 year say 8-10 million dollar contract with one of the following teams: Dodgers, Giants, Angels, Mariners, Padres, As , Marlins. Somebody with a huge park and preferably in the NL…..the giants would be perfect.

    Id send him there to hopefully re-establish his value and get a new start and then take him back on the market at 28 with more value

  73. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    G. Love says:
    August 12, 2013 at 12:14 am
    Hughes best bet would be to end up pitching in large park…like Yellowstone.

    Thank you very much, I’ll be here all week.

    Yellowstone would be good but it’s at a deceivingly high altitude….the ball would fly there…

  74. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    I really hope Hal will let them sign Abreu….the dude can mash and he’s under 30! Frame Tex for PEDs if you have to

  75. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    That last part was a joke (sorta)

  76. Nick in SF August 12th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    He’d still end up with a higher-than-the-average ERA.

    Or is that Jellystone?

  77. G. Love August 12th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Joba should pitch in Jellystone next season. Picnic baskets be warned.

  78. Hal Steinbrenner August 12th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Thanks for your interest.

    My checkbook is locked away in the safe until further notice.

  79. G. Love August 12th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    blake,

    They’re not going to sign this Abreu because Cashman won’t have any real data on him and his scouts won’t endorse it. Plus they’ll start talking about Tex’s “30/100″ which I’m predicting will be the amount of HR’s and RBI’s he’ll hit for the entire remainder of his deal here.

    In other words, they don’t want to spend the money.

    Boston will sign him to replace Napoli next season.

  80. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:25 am

    “They’re not going to sign this Abreu because Cashman won’t have any real data on him and his scouts won’t endorse it. Plus they’ll start talking about Tex’s “30/100? which I’m predicting will be the amount of HR’s and RBI’s he’ll hit for the entire remainder of his deal here.”

    I know….I don’t even want to think about it. I’ll believe they’ll do something when i see it

  81. G. Love August 12th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    They may, however, sign Bobby Abreu!

    He more fits Cashman’s m.o.

  82. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Some decent clips on YouTube of Abreu….huge RH power….good balance at the plate…. Good swing ….he looks like he runs well enough to play corner OF to me…..of course those are locked down too with Wellsy and Ichiro

  83. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    G. Love says:
    August 12, 2013 at 12:29 am
    They may, however, sign Bobby Abreu!

    The spring invite brigade

  84. blake August 12th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    I’m off to bed to dream about days when I didn’t have to watch Chris Stewart hit

  85. Jorge Mexico August 12th, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Tar. Sorry for my missunderstanding. It must be the language barrier :-) Go Yankees!!!

  86. Nick in SF August 12th, 2013 at 1:04 am

    Jorge Mexico, I forget, where in Mexico do you live?

  87. Desk of Brian M. Cashman August 12th, 2013 at 1:10 am

    Memo to LoHudders:

    Financial responsibilty is prudent going forward

    Our international scouts have been observing and gathering information on Abreu for some time now, as has Oakland, Boston, Chicago, and Texas. We will be evaluating this information soon once it is complete..

    Tha plan is patience and financial prudence going forward.

  88. CompassRosy August 12th, 2013 at 1:12 am

    Even though he played 11+ years in Seattle, this is the most English I’ve ever heard Ichiro speak . . .

    http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?cont.....1_10686404

    nice that he did it for Junior :-)

  89. Jdiddyshownopitty August 12th, 2013 at 1:22 am

    I am sure I’m not the only one who has asked this but, How did we miss out on Miguel? We could have easily put him at first right?

  90. moctezuma August 12th, 2013 at 4:03 am

    I would put the steroids users in the Hall of Fame. I’d make a room for the “Steroids Era” and let time and truth work out the rest. PEDs or not the game changes and why would you want to erase it? Life is bizarre and so is baseball. That’s why I watch it.

  91. blake August 12th, 2013 at 7:28 am

    @BenBadler: Cuban superstar 1B Jose Abreu has left Cuba and will try to sign with an MLB team. Why this will be fascinating: http://t.co/OmzkX4k9WH

  92. blake August 12th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    Jdiddyshownopitty says:
    August 12, 2013 at 1:22 am
    I am sure I’m not the only one who has asked this but, How did we miss out on Miguel? We could have easily put him at first right?

    Mostly because cash wouldn’t trade Hughes or Joba

  93. Doreen August 12th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    It wasn’t just the Yankees who were gunshy:

    http://www.baseballnation.com/.....rld-series

    and the Yankees had just re-signed Alex, right?

    When Alex opted out, I remember talking to friends about whether Miguel Cabrera could be traded for. It didn’t seem all that likely at the time, if I recall, but he was a definite possibility.

    It would be interesting if there was an alternate universe where the Yankees had traded Melky, Joba and Kennedy for Cabrera and not resigned Alex. And another where they did resign Alex but traded for Cabrera anyway.

    Resigning Alex was all about the marketing possibilities that would happen as Alex broke record upon record, culminating in the HR record. Sigh.

    Actually the article I linked is a good one about over valuing prospects. Something I do tend to do.

  94. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Good morning all —-

    I believe Cameron Maybin was the star of the Cabrera package and the Yanks didn’t have anyone who was viewed as highly.

    Of course, Maybin has not been worth diddly squat as a MLB player.

  95. blake August 12th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    “I believe Cameron Maybin was the star of the Cabrera package and the Yanks didn’t have anyone who was viewed as highly.”

    Yea maybin and miller were top shelf guys …. Hughes was as well but don’t know if they could have matched. It doesn’t matter what they have done since …..only their value at the time

  96. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    If the $$$ weren’t an impediment Maybin would be an interesting risk/reward pick up.

    He has $ 21 M guaranteed the next three years and I’m sure San Diego would like to get out from under it. I still love his athleticism and he won’t be 27 until April.

    I know he messed up his knee, so you’d have to check that out thoroughly.

  97. blake August 12th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    They should sign Abreu and figure out where to play him …..they need real offense

  98. Doreen August 12th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    2007, Hughes coming off two injuries, the hamstring and then the ankle which he hurt in rehab. Kennedy pitched in September and made a great showing. Joba was phenomenal in relief. Melky was a pretty good ball player.

    The article I linked says the Yankees would have needed to package at least three of those four. What did the Yankees need most at the time? Not really offense. Though, if a player with Miguel Cabrera’s skills comes along, do you abandon the plan and go for him? It’s so easy in hindsight to say yes.

    Also, if the Yankees had stuck to their guns and not signed Alex, they are probably aggressively pursuing Cabrera.

    But. In 2009, Melky and Alex and Phil were instrumental in achieving the WS.

  99. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    What will the $$$ be like for Abreu? $ 50 M plus?

    Would certainly energize the fan base to see them make a move like that.

  100. Doreen August 12th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    If they are set on 189, there is no way they sign the Cuban. Why get hopes up?

  101. Desk of Brian M. Cashman August 12th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Memo to Lohudders:

    With the expiring contracts of Kuroda and Pettitte and the likelihood of both leaving, we as an organization are seriously considering signing Chamberlain to a extension and revisting his potential as a starting rotation option.

    This fits our plan for financial responsibility and continuing our development plan of our young players going forward.

  102. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Because that’s what hopes are for!

    Yes, they can sign Abreau and get to $ 189… easily, actually

  103. pkyankfan69 August 12th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Doesn’t a majority of Arod’s money likely coming off the books for next year help give us the space we would need to sign Abreu?… Long term Abreu is the type of fairly low AAV that we need to sign… What’s he going to get a year $12 – $15M?

  104. Doreen August 12th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    86w183,

    How?

    I guess it involves not signing Cano…

  105. Doreen August 12th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Pkyankfan69,

    We don’t have any idea what the arbitrator will rule, and won’t know until it’s too late to do anything with the money, perhaps.

    This is the way the commissioners office gets to both punish ARod and make sure the Yankees don’t benefit too much. Can’t make the other teams upset, you know, that the Yankees would have more mo bey to spend.

    Plus, even if things worked out in the Yankees favor financially, would they spend all of ARod’s money or not?

  106. pkyankfan69 August 12th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Will it be too late?

    Doesn’t it take awhile for a Cuban player to defect?… I thought they had to apply for residency in the US and apply to MLB to be a FA… I thought that process took a few months?

  107. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    The Yankees have well over $ 100 M coming off the books, and they can spend about half of it and still get under the luxury tax cutoff. It will be even easier if Alex is gone for the entire year.

    How to best spend $ 50 M or so? I’d say Kuroda is the # 1 priority.

    I can see signing Kuroda, Cano and Abreu for roughly $ 50 M AAV. If Cano is too expensive, Zobrist wont be.

  108. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Yes, it should be at least four months, maybe 6-8 before Abreu clears all hurdles.

    I think he has to have residency in another country for two or three months before he can apply to MLB. Then he must apply to the U.S.A. for a work visa or something along those lines.

    I owuld bet he signs in 2014… Feb or March

  109. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Signing internationally would help the $189 goal if they were smart about it.

  110. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Too bad Abreu isn’t a 3b.

  111. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Or a Catcher.

  112. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    With our luck, after years of not touching the international market, we’ll blow a brinks truck on a player without as much talent and then cry about it.

  113. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    86 is correct.

    The Yankees can easily support one or two good-sized multi-year contracts next year.

  114. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    They are not signing a guy like that unless he can play at a position of need.

    He is not going to replace Tex at 1b.

  115. pkyankfan69 August 12th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    We already know the excuse is going to be, “We already have an All-Star 1B”

  116. blake August 12th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    86w183 says:
    August 12, 2013 at 8:38 am
    What will the $$$ be like for Abreu? $ 50 M plus?

    They can get Bobby for probably 1 million or less ….Hal likes him better

  117. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Anyway.

    We just 2 of 3 from the best Team in the AL.

    So there’s that.

    :)

  118. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    ed: just took. sorry

  119. Voice of Hal August 12th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I’m very excited about the projected profit margin in 2014…..how about you guys?

  120. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    They should use Kuroda’s money for a bat.

    Kuroda is year-to-year. That bat could be long term.

  121. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    And to think most said Hanley Ramirez had a bad attitude, and was past his prime.

    Could no longer play ss well.

    Wonder who that guy in his body is ?

    Because he has a great attitude. Is hitting like a demon. And plays a mean ss.

    Same crap as with JU.

    ;)

  122. Tackelberry August 12th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Where would Yanks be without Gardner?

  123. Doreen August 12th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I don’t understand the argument about signing international players saving them money. Once they are signed are they not included in payroll?

    If it takes that long for the Cuban Abreu to be eligible, then I guess it could happen. I just am not very optimistic, I guess.

  124. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    And to think most said Hanley Ramirez had a bad attitude, and was past his prime.

    ____________

    I campaigned for him – mostly all alone.

  125. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    They should get a new Owner.

    Much better.

    ;)

  126. Voice of Hal August 12th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Tackelberry says:
    August 12, 2013 at 9:31 am
    Where would Yanks be without Gardner?

    Cashman is always talking to me about that little dude Gardner…..he’s starting to get expensive though

  127. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Buster-

    You were not alone. I thought he was worth taking a flyer on.

    He has enormous talent and it is showing once again.

  128. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Doreen August 12th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I don’t understand the argument about signing international players saving them money. Once they are signed are they not included in payroll?

    —————-

    Cespedes’ deal is for 4/36 = reasonable $9 AAV. Puig’s deal is 7/42 = reasonable $6 AAV. Darvish’s deal is 6/56 = very reasonable $9.33 AAV.

    So yes, they count, but these are quality players that are young and fairly cost controlled compared to the market.

  129. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Same crap with AJ P.

    He has a bad attitude.

    Sure. Just look at how terrible he’s been in Texas.

    Starts a fight a day. Can’t hit worth a lick.

    And worst of all he likes short contracts.

  130. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    I wanted to trade Hughes and Joba for him right around when he was activated and his value was low and some questioned his health. I remember reading an article where he insisted his shoulder injury was completely healed. This is before the Dodgers traded for Nolasco. Imagine if they were stupid and we fleeced them for Hanley.

    That would have been a Dombrowski type move.

  131. Voice of Hal August 12th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MTU says:
    August 12, 2013 at 9:32 am
    They should get a new Owner.

    Are you kidding? This baseball thing is a cash Cow!

  132. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Buster-

    All water under the Verrazano at this point.

    :(

  133. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    I cannot believe Cashman got stuck holding Hughes.

    Total bagholder.

  134. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    No.

    It’s a Golden Goose, and Hal is choking the life out of it.

    ;)

  135. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    True — except it cost $ 51 M for the right to pay Darvish a $ 9.33 Million AAV.

    Also, Puig can opt for arbitration after three years, so the last three years of that contract could cost a lot more than the $ 19.5 M he’s scheduled to make.

  136. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Buster-

    No one wanted to offer much for him.

    And now we likely won’t even get the extra draft pick.

    Sucks.

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    “So the narcissist, cheater, liar, drug user and all around POS hit a HR today, big deal.

    He helped contribute to the team victory, nice.

    Does that make him a good guy, a savior, a hero, wipe the slate clean, no.

    He is still the biggest POS in MLB no matter what he does going forward.

    His career is tainted and he will never get into the HOF.

    The sooner he starts his suspension, the sooner he will be forgotten.”

    Since the “lovers” and the lone kindergartener (“GO ALEEEEEEEEEEX”) spent so much time on their adulation of a known cheater, I thought this post was worth repeating.

  138. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    I cannot believe Cashman got stuck holding Hughes.

    —————

    At this point we might not even get a pick for him. Terrible mismanagement of assets there. Same could be said of Grandy.

    86 – That is correct.. but since they plan to cut $50 million in payroll for at least 2 seasons anyway I didn’t feel the need to include it. :twisted:

  139. blake August 12th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “That would have been a Dombrowski type move.”

    Amazing how the moves he makes keep working out ….folks talk about development all the time but of the best players the Tigers have only Verlander came from their system.

    Miggy: trade
    Scherzer: trade
    Jackson: trade
    Fielder : signed
    VMart: signed
    Fister: trade
    Sanchez: signed

    They know when and which prospects to move…..

  140. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Rich in NJ once said watching Phil Hughes was the only exciting thing about the Yankees in 2013.

  141. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    The Cabrera trade was always going to be a good deal… I was SO hoping he’d hit the FA market at that time. I thought we’d get him.

  142. blake August 12th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I hope this doesn’t happen….but in a way it’d be hilarious if they let Cano go to free agency and he leaves …..that’ll jus be the icing on the bungle cake

  143. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Blake,

    Wasn’t Peralta a trade?

  144. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Maybe Hal should spend a night sleeping at one of his Holiday Inn’s.

    That way the next morning he could wake up smarter and remember we’re the Yankees.

    And then announce to the World that 189 is dead.

    :)

  145. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I hope Cano tanks hard and his value crashes so we get him on a Pedroia deal.

    Imagine that.

  146. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Too much prospect hugging is bad.

    Not enough prospect hugging is bad.

  147. Chip August 12th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    blake August 12th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I hope this doesn’t happen….but in a way it’d be hilarious if they let Cano go to free agency and he leaves …..that’ll jus be the icing on the bungle cake
    ————————

    I would prefer that to giving him an 8 year deal in the 26/year range.

  148. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    A lot of us were excited to see Phil this year.. hoping he’d build on his second half.

    But a lot of that same faction was very interested in seeing what he’d bring back in a trade during the off season.

  149. Chip August 12th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Too much prospect hugging is bad.

    Not enough prospect hugging is bad.
    ——————–

    Moderation in everything – except bacon…nothing has ever been hurt by too much bacon.

  150. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Cano’s value will not crash.

    He has a stupendous track record to fall back on.

    Will not happen.

    Someone is going to pay beaucoup bucks for him.

  151. blake August 12th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Yup Peralta was a trade too….they have up essentially nothing for him

  152. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “Someone is going to pay beaucoup bucks for him.”

    Hopefully it will be the New York Yankees.

  153. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    That faction preferred to trade Nova over Hughes 100/100.

    Very few argued Nova stays, Hughes goes.

  154. Chip August 12th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    I think that the Yankees, Dodgers and Nationals will all make similar offers to Cano. At that point it will come down to this: What team does he want to be on for the next 7 years? If that decision is based on which team gives him the best chance to win, then there’s no way he comes back to the Yankees.

  155. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Chip-

    I can eat whatever I want.

    Doc says I will never get coronary arteries disease.

    My HDL’s are 75 and my arteries resemble the amazon.

    So I can eat all the bacon I want.

    Guess I’ll have to concentrate on a different organ to destroy like my liver.

    ;)

  156. blake August 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am


    I would prefer that to giving him an 8 year deal in the 26/year range.”

    I would too however the funny part would be them refusing to trade him because they assumed he’d stay

  157. Chip August 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    MTU –

    I’m right there with you buddy…you should try this http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog.....explosion/

  158. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    If the Yankees follow their recent patterns they’ll retain Cano.

    If not, they won’t.

    They will definitely have competition.

  159. Chip August 12th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    blake August 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am


    I would prefer that to giving him an 8 year deal in the 26/year range.”

    I would too however the funny part would be them refusing to trade him because they assumed he’d stay
    ————————

    I don’t think that’s why they refused to trade him. They didn’t consider trading him because the Yankees don’t trade away players. Never have. And as I said, to Hal the only thing worse than not having playoff baseball in the stadium is not having anyone show up in August or September because the team has waved the white flag.

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    It’s all going to depend on how devoted to the Yankees Robby really is. Brad Radke refused to sign with the Yankees and finished out his career with Minny. Players are signing long-term extensions with teams that are not necessarily contenders.

  161. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    And I know nobody here is ready for this but I will go ahead and be the only one to argue that Gardner should be traded this off season in advance of his walk year in 2014.

    And the majority can go right ahead and argue for a silly extension like they did with Hughes.

    Maybe I can lure Rich in NJ back on a short-term prospect hugging contract.

  162. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    That faction preferred to trade Nova over Hughes 100/100.

    Very few argued Nova stays, Hughes goes.

    —————

    Simply not true. People understand the value of controlling someone for multiple years over one year. Me? I would’ve traded them both for the right returns.

  163. blake August 12th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “I don’t think that’s why they refused to trade him. They didn’t consider trading him because the Yankees don’t trade away players”

    Three reasons they didnt trade cano
    1) because they apparently though this team could win (lol)
    2) because they are afraid it will look bad to fans
    3) because they are afraid it’ll affect his decision this winter

    The first one is just poor self evaluatuation….the last two are decisions made out of fear. If the yanks wanna get out of this mess they are going to have to put the big boy pants on and make some tough decisions for the good of the club

  164. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Simply is true. Most wanted Nova gone and Hughes locked up long term. People never understood the value of Nova being cost controlled while overlooking the fact that they were eager to dish out silly money to Hughes.

  165. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    The Yankees can make themselves considerably better next season if they make a few smart decisions.

    :)

  166. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    The Dodgers have an option on Mark Ellis at $ 5.75 M for next season. He’s not the player Cano is — not even close — but he’s a very good player who is a good clutch hitter, solid defender and hugely popular in their clubhouse.

    I don’t think L-A will see Cano as being worth four times what they pay Mark Ellis with all their other financial situations to deal with.

    So who has the $$$$ and the need to go hard after Cano? I really don’t think he’ll get much more than $ 18M AAV. Again, from whom?

  167. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    I believe I have as long a track record for not giving up on Nova as anyone.

    Hughes has a much better chance of being a closer than he does of being a # 1 or # 2 starter.

  168. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Trading Gardner isn’t a bad idea but they’d need to sign/trade for at least 2 new OFers in that scenario.

  169. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    If I’m the Dodgers and I’m rocking a core of Hanley Ramirez, Yasiel Puig and Matt Kemp, I’m targeting Cliff Lee at the winter meetings. Cano is a distant second.

  170. blake August 12th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “Simply is true. Most wanted Nova gone and Hughes locked up long term. People never understood the value of Nova being cost controlled while overlooking the fact that they were eager to dish out silly money to Hughes.”

    Again you’re leaving context out…..nova had more trade value to get offense with . If you could trade Nova for a good bat then sign Hughes to a reasonable contract then that made sense at the time……

    This was when Nova couldn’t get anybody out and Hugjes was pitching ok…..I doubt anybody really thought Nova was gonna come back and pitch to a sub 3 era based on what he was when he went down …..i

  171. Shame Spencer August 12th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Again you’re leaving context out…

    ————–

    It’s not even worth explaining/defending.

  172. Mike in Harrisburg August 12th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    The Yankees are in their comfort zone throwing big money at guys and I expect they also correctly judge the riots will be a lot worse if Cano simply walks compared to him being overpaid for too many years. Most people just don’t care or understand the vagueries of the new budget paradigm.

  173. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Blake, you constantly opposed trading Hughes at the beginning of 2012. Nova’s value was tanked.

  174. Jesus Bustero August 12th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Nova’s value was tanked when he was put in trade packages. Some slipped him in there late just as he showed signs of life – as a hedge.

  175. blake August 12th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    If nova keeps this up then I’ll happily admit I was wrong about him…..I’m shocked to be honest that he’s been this good but it’s not smoke and mirrors…..he’s a different pitcher than he was and Id love to know what adjustment was made…..was it a grip change or what that got his fastball movin again?

    As shocked as I am with Nova equally disappointed in Hughes. Last year he finally had a healthy season and it looked like towards the end of the year that he had finally found an assortment of pitches be could work with……I was expecting a progression this year and at least a repeat of 2012 if not improvement. Alas he’s regressed really in every way…..command is worse….Offspeed stuff hasn’t improved…..it’s just unfortunate.

    I still think a decent big league starter is in Hughes somewhere but even I’ll admit it can’t be found in Ny…..both parties need a change

  176. blake August 12th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Jesus Bustero says:
    August 12, 2013 at 10:11 am
    Blake, you constantly opposed trading Hughes at the beginning of 2012. Nova’s value was tanked.

    I never oppose trading anybody for the right price…..I opposed giving him away yea

  177. blake August 12th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Id still trade Nova for the right bat…..

  178. blake August 12th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Of course now that I said that somebody will tell me in 2 months that I wanted to trade nova

  179. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Id still trade Nova for the right bat…..

    ************************************************

    Me too, provided the bat’s name is Stanton, Trout or Harper

    Looks to me like Nova throws more two-seamers to keep the ball down and mixes in some four-seamers for strikeouts and to keep hitters honest.

    Still think he has the physical attributes to throw one helluva split.

  180. Against All Odds August 12th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    blake August 12th, 2013 at 10:16 am
    Of course now that I said that somebody will tell me in 2 months that I wanted to trade nova

    ———————

    What are the odds it’s going to be Bret?

  181. 86w183 August 12th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    gotta back up my man Blake here —–

    He and I both propose trades and normally reasonable ones. I first suggested Cano for Matt Kemp several years ago and ever since then I’m the guy who wanted to dump Cano.

    It looked like a very good trade for both teams cuz the Yanks needed an OF and the Dodgers needed a 2B. It wasn’t “dumping Cano” any more than Blake “wants” to trade Nova.

  182. MTU August 12th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    There’s a new one ——>


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