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Pregame notes: “You need to pitch well pretty much every day”

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Austin Romine, CC Sabathia

The Yankees haven’t won a CC Sabathia start since July 3. It goes without saying that they can’t afford to have that trend continue.

“I think you need to pitch well pretty much every day to have a chance to really climb back into this,” Joe Girardi said. “It really can’t be two starters or three starters or four. I think you need all five to contribute at a very high level.”

That’s probably a fair point — the Yankees really can’t give away every fifth game — but Sabathia stands out because of who he is and what he’s been. He’s supposed to be the staff ace, and lately he’s been infinitely beatable. Of Sabathia’s firste 18 starts this season, the Yankees won 12. But they’ve lost each of the past six times Sabathia’s gone to the mound. And they’ve scored at least five runs in half of those games.

Sabathia’s last start seemed to be a step in the right direction. He finally got through the seventh inning again, and he didn’t walk anyone, and he allowed three runs on five hits. It wasn’t a dominant start, but it was a winable start.

“I thought his sinker was better,” Girardi said. “I thought his command of the outside corner to the right-handed hitters was better. His changeup was better as well. Those are key pitches for him. We need that to continue. … (The changeup) has been a huge pitch for him his whole career. The key is that it doesn’t cut, that it remains straight or fades a little bit, and I thought it was better. And we need that to continue.”

Counting this one, Sabathia should have about 10 more starts this season. How many of those do the Yankees need to win?

Derek Jeter• For the first time since the most recent DL stint, Derek Jeter took full batting practice on the field today. He also took grounders at shortstop. Sounds like he could run soon, but he’ll head to Tampa on Thursday regardless. “It’s a day-to-day thing,” Jeter said. “They told me I’m taking BP, so I’m taking BP. Tomorrow I don’t know. I know I’m going to Tampa on Thursday. That’s all I know.”

• Jeter said he has no idea whether he’ll need another rehab assignment. He doesn’t want one, but it’s obviously not his call and it’s been a while since he played regularly. “At this point, do you think I have any input in anything they do around here?” Jeter said.

• Jeter on the possibility of another rehab assignment: “I always think I can just jump back in,” Jeter said. “I did last time. But like I said, I get it. If they want me to go play somewhere, I’ll go play somewhere. It’s entirely up to them. I’m not really in a power position to negotiate, that’s all I can say.”

• Chris Stewart’s hand is fine, just getting another day off so that Austin Romine can get more playing time. That’s been happening quite a bit lately as Stewart’s production has dragged and Romine’s has improved. “I’ve talked about playing Ro a little bit more, and you will see him a little bit more,” Girardi said. “But Stew is still going to catch a lot.”

• Yes, Girardi calls Romine, “Ro.”

• Today’s lineup is a product of trying to maximize the right-handed hitters against a lefty. “Just using everyone, keeping everyone strong and fresh,” Girardi said. “Took a couple of lefties out, put a couple of righties in. Decided to put Nuney in the leadoff spot – he’s been swinging the bat well – against the lefty today.”

• Brett Gardner is fine, just a day to rest. “He’s been playing every day, but I’ve noticed in the second half, when I’ve given him a day off, how much more explosive he has been and has seemed to swing better, and I think that’s important,” Girardi said. “We ran him really hard in the first half, and I think it took toll a little bit.”

• Scranton/Wilkes-Barre announced that Mark Montgomery is back on the disabled list. David Herndon — the former Phillies reliever coming back from Tommy John surgery — has been promoted from Double-A to Triple-A to replace Montgomery.

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68 Responses to “Pregame notes: “You need to pitch well pretty much every day””

  1. Russell Munson August 13th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Ro should be Romy.

  2. Niblick August 13th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Worst lineup you could possibly come up with out of the 13 position players.

    Gardner’s been hot – won 2 of the last three games. Time to sit him so he cools off.

    Girardi must have straw for brains.

  3. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    7 of CC’s last 10 starts is what they need IMO.

    Let’s start with tonight.

  4. Russell Munson August 13th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Gardner’s a fourth outfielder. You can’t play him every day.

  5. Chip August 13th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Wave Your Hat August 13th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    “As I said above – MLBPA chief Michael Weiner said that the players associated with Biogenesis are not subject to the 50/100/lifetime limits set in place by the JDA.”

    I believe the union lawyers will argue otherwise.
    ———————-

    That should be fun. The Union Lawyers arguing a position counter to that of the Union…I’m sure the arbiter will get a chuckle out of that. It will be even better when Weiner is asked to give testimony and says the exact opposite of what the Union’s lawyers are saying…

  6. Niblick August 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Ichiro has an OPS of .838 against left handers; .612 against right handers.

    Apparently that’s not in Joe’s binder.

    Joe’s binder is stuck in 1950′s stereotypes.

  7. fantasygame101 August 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    to maximize lineup. wells at 1b and put gardner or ichiro in the of. If wells makes error, so be it, at least he gains experience or you know that he can or can not play 1b.

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 13th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Joe Tacopina could be the most hated lawyer in New York.

    After securing an improbable acquittal in the rape case against ex-NYPD Officer Kenneth Moreno, following unlikely triumphs for accused cop-killer Lillo Brancato and alleged girlfriend-bashing pol Hiram Monserrate, the dapper smooth talker is facing a new round of barbs.

    “I can’t stand him,” said one prosecutor, pointing out that Tacopina also sprung Natalee Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot and Thomas Wiese, an Abner Louima cop.

    “He’s slick, he’s got a big ego, and he’ll represent any scumbag.”

    :)

    Well I guess so!

    Again, if they’ve hired Tacopina (a criminal defense attorney, hmmm) they must feel they are going to need the big guns.

  9. Chip August 13th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    astrocityfan August 13th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Chip,
    That may have been weiner’s position but it will not be arods lawyers. his attorney stated today they are fighting the notion of this as multiple offenses.
    ——————-

    Alex’s lawyers don’t have standing to argue the JDA – it was a collectively bargained agreement.

  10. blake August 13th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    And Cano IS on a HOF pace….maybe 1st ballot…..but you’re not getting age 20-30 Cano on a new contract….you’re gettin age 31-39 cano and he’s not likely to be the same player of that course of time.

    Again paying a player in their 30s for what they were in their 20s is how most bad contracts begin

  11. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    “Justin Morneau On Revocable Waivers”

    from MLBTR

  12. Niblick August 13th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    You don’t hire some yahoo from the sticks who is clueless. You hire the best. To do anything else would be stupid.

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 13th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    He already has attorneys. My point is that people who hire Joe Tacopina are people who know they have a hell of fight on their hands. Otherwise there is no need to hire a Joe Tacopina.

  14. Russell Munson August 13th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    If you’re really, really rich and can afford Joe Tacopina, there’s no harm in hiring him, is there?

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 13th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Russell, hiring Tacopina certainly makes a statement. Or probably several. But one of them is that Arod realizes this isn’t going to be a cakewalk.

    Maybe Arod would be willing to share Tacopina with Hugh Douglas?

    http://www.philly.com/philly/s....._ESPN.html

    :D

  16. Pat M. August 13th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Not certain as to why blake is getting drilled here because of his viewpoint on Robinson Cano ??? Clearly it’ll be an overpay to retain him, his best years are in his rearview mirror and his most expensive years lie ahead. Frankly, if the Yanks had a vision or a plan looking forward ( aside from the 189 and the pre-sale organizational trimming ) they would have extended him after the 2011 season. They then could have moved on The Cuban outfielders and even Darvish if they were ready to drop a cool 120 million on the table. I liked Varvish, however that posting dough could have gone to the Cano fund……Our NY Yanks are a mess guys, and it could end up worse than the CBS Yanks of 1965. At least that club had All-Stars in Tresh & Pepitone along with some great pitchers in Stotelmeyer, Bouton & Downing. Like now the Suits in the boardroom decided not to re-invest in the ballclub and just milk the product until the golden goose died

  17. charlestonchew August 13th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    “Russell Munson August 13th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
    Gardner’s a fourth outfielder. You can’t play him every day.”

    You’re wayyyyy off, my friend. Gardner is one of the best CF in the game. Open your eyes.

  18. randy l. August 13th, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    “I don’t follow that. Intellect does not dictate to the heart. I don’t think the 2013 Yankees are post-season material, but I want them to get there.”

    wave your hat-

    i see people on this blog and yankee fans in general when i talk to them still being enthusiastic about the yankees but with lower expectations.

    i think this just enables hal to continue putting out a really bad quality team. i’m saying that if you back wanting them to get there this year with your money you’re part of the problem.

    hal can’t make money if everyone snubs him and his plan. if people like you go along and spend anyway, he’ll get by and still make money.

    people who will pay for low quality products keep those low quality products coming.
    it’s simple marketplace economics.

  19. blake August 13th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Pat m,

    They could have extended him 2 years ago….they could have traded him….they have waited until he’s going to be a FA and now the only outcomes are either signing him to a bad contract or losing him for nothing……

  20. randy l. August 13th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    “Our NY Yanks are a mess guys, and it could end up worse than the CBS Yanks of 1965″

    pat m-

    that’s exactly my feeling.

    things are going to get way worse before they get better.

    you know what sets the quality of the yankees?

    the quality of the fan base.

    if a fan base with really high standards demands excellence or they won’t come and buy tickets , then the team has no choice but to get excellent.

    if it’s a fan base with low standards, the team can be really bad and still make money.
    that’s the cubs right?

    we’re yankee fans and should act like it and have high standards.

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 13th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Actually getting Tacopina was probably necessary, now that I think about it. Using illegal drugs is a criminal offense. Arod has no idea who will be coming for him in addition to MLB.

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 13th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Oh what a tangled web we weave…

  23. blake August 13th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    “things are going to get way worse before they get better.”

    Unless they’ll spend their way out of it……it may have to

  24. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Blake-

    We’ve talked many times how the Yankees should re-visit the way they have done business in the past if they are on a diet.

    But they show no evidence of changing much in spite of that fact.

    Extensions should Certainly have been a part of any new thinking.

    Same thing with Hughes. They likely won’t even get a draft pick for him.

    Of course mismanagement of an asset like Cano is much worse.

    Me. I think they’ll sign him, and probably overpay. Business as usual.

    If it were up to me I would set some limits on time and value.

    I’d rather pay more up front for fewer years and have the contract creatively structured to suit both parties.

    I’d love to see something like that.

  25. blake August 13th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    MTU,
    Yea I mean the operate the way they operate and until we see otherwise we shouldn’t expect them to change

  26. tomingeorgia August 13th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Baseball will break out soon. I like baseball. This stuff will be settled in November, or not. Either that, or apply the Vietnam t-shirt motto.

  27. Ys Guy August 13th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    losing robbie the next few years will be crippling. they should have extended or traded him by now but now they are stuck.

    they have to sign him and go over the $189. its just a question of how much they can limit the back-end damage.

  28. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Levine and Newman need to go at a minimum.

    Cashman should be re-assigned to the Gelding pen.

    New Farm director. New GM with baseball smarts and authority.

    Hal with a new vision that includes spending to win in a wise manner not just for revenue.

    Not setting goals that are ill-timed and ill-advised.

    Realizing that a great Team will make you great money.

    :)

  29. Pat M. August 13th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup )….. You make solid points about Hal’s perspective on running the club….Here’s the most startling difference from Hal and the Old Man…..George knew if spent money he’d always get it back 10 fold on the value of the club down the road via appreciation. And in the process he’d make money year to year. But the windfall was when it was time to sell…. Hal wants to make a fianacial windfall every season and it’s going to cost him down the raod as the arc of value will drop significantly as he’s obsessed with year to year black ink……The fans both at the turnstiles as well as on the TV and radio market will destroy his bottom line if he continues this mentality… Yankee fans are loyal however for the most part aren’t stupid. Plus you have a whole generation that knows nothing but success and will take their sports dollars eleswhere

  30. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Hal. Gimmicks aren’t necessary with great baseball Teams.

    Just build one and you’ll be rewarded more than you know.

    Thanks,

    MTU

  31. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Get me two really good FA’s next season. Fill at least 2 holes for the future.

    And in 2015 open the floodgates.

    Or just sell and take the 4 bill and turn it over to someone who will.

    ;)

  32. feunraes August 13th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    tangled web indeed.

  33. Ys Guy August 13th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    “Jeter said he has no idea whether he’ll need another rehab assignment. He doesn’t want one, but it’s obviously not his call and it’s been a while since he played regularly. “At this point, do you think I have any input in anything they do around here?” Jeter said.

    “Jeter on the possibility of another rehab assignment: “I always think I can just jump back in,” Jeter said. “I did last time. But like I said, I get it. If they want me to go play somewhere, I’ll go play somewhere. It’s entirely up to them. I’m not really in a power position to negotiate, that’s all I can say.”

    ========================================================
    jeter is frustrated. and the yankees and jeter need to get on the same page.

    always being ready to play is admirable. being ready to play when you aren’t ready to play necesitates that someone else make the decisions about when you’re ready to play.

  34. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    One Yasiel Puig is worth a lot of aging stars.

    He’s exciting to watch.

    He draws people to the stadium.

    They hope to watch the budding career of a Superstar.

    Trout is the same way.

    Or Harper.

    Like Pontiac used to do, “They build excitement”.

    Of course GM builds boredom now. Except for the Camaro and the Vette.

  35. Wave Your Hat August 13th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    By not trading Cano the Yanks are pretty much committed to re-signing him except in the remote chance they make the post-season. If they don’t make the post-season then they will look like major chumps if he walks. I predict they will talk tough, then sign close to Cano’s asking price.

  36. Doreen August 13th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Randy -

    I would just say that sports is not exactly the same as any other marketplace. It is entertainment, a time filler, a passion, a mild interest, all those things at once, and more, and sometimes less. So, even if you don’t love the management of a team, the owners of the team or even the way a team is playing, you still root for the team. It is not a strictly consumer item.

    However, you can root for a team without going to a game, buying concessions, or other souvenirs. Back in the day when it was on free tv you didn’t even have to invest that way, but YES is part of my cable package, not something “extra” I’ve paid for.

    Baseball kind of operates on its own plane, as do its fans and their emotional investment in a team.

    It’s very rare for people to abandon a team. It takes life-changing circumstances sometimes!

    I used to be a Mets fan. First a die-hard, then, as I was in college and pursued other interests, my interest became more casual. When I had my girls, other things took up my time and I pretty much stopped watching baseball altogether, but my husband was a Yankees fan and he took over the tv. So I as the girls were growing up I just became more and more familiar with the Yankees teams, and became passionate about them. It’s important to note that I never was a Yankee hater, even as a Mets fan. I was familiar with the Yankees, just not a fan.

    I don’t have to like Hal, Cash, Randy Levine, et al; I do have to like at least some of the players on the field (or at least be familiar with them, know their names). Baseball is just part of the fabric of life. No one person can ruin it.

    Heck, George S. was a real idiot back in the day. The butt of the NY backpage jokes. But people loved their team, owner be da–ned.

    And I think sane people, non-Lohud people, do have their teams go in and out of their lives at times, and it’s okay. As long as the franchise is still there when you are ready for it, that’s all you ask.

    Mostly, it’s entertainment.

    I can’t get overly worked up about how the team is being run. There has never been a team that has not lost its grip for a while, including the Yankees. It’s like the ebb and flow.

    (One thing I am thinking, though. I really don’t like Randy Levine, and wouldn’t it be interesting if he ends up taking a fall in this ARod process?????)

  37. Wave Your Hat August 13th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    You people are living in a dream world if you think Levine is going anywhere.

  38. feunraes August 13th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    George Steinbrenner was never an idiot. He made poor baseball decisions occasionally, but who doesn’t?

  39. Tar August 13th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    “At this point, do you think I have any input in anything they do around here?” Jeter said.

    Randy there is your answer.

  40. blake August 13th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Wave Your Hat says:
    August 13, 2013 at 6:23 pm
    By not trading Cano the Yanks are pretty much committed to re-signing him except in the remote chance they make the post-season. If they don’t make the post-season then they will look like major chumps if he walks. I predict they will talk tough, then sign close to Cano’s asking price.

    Bad idea

  41. Your Name Here August 13th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Should the Yankees place Kuroda on waivers? Season is done. Sell high.

  42. Wave Your Hat August 13th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Just a prediction, blake, not a value judgment.

  43. randy l. August 13th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    pat m-

    when the yankees imploded in the late 60′s, i remember vaguely still checking box scores daily because that was a habit from childhood, but i don’t think i paid much attention until 1975 and then of course 1976.

    i think the fact that yankee fans expect excellence is a major driving force for the team historically. if the new fans don’t expect much, that’s what they’ll get. i think the fan base has as much to do with how long the yankees take to retool as hal does.

    if the fan base pressures him, it’ll happen a lot faster.
    i seriously would like to see a 100% boycott of yankee stadium and force hal to get his act together.
    do i think it’ll happen?

    no because your average fan isn’t sophisticated enough to know the power they have.

  44. comnsnse August 13th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Pat M., Blake’s opinion is being contested because he apparently is writing off the only star player on this roster with silly comparisons vs LH pitching and his age.

    Not every team is having trepidations about long term seemingly foolish deals with stars.

    See Verlander, Greinke,Pujols, Hamilton Wright even Utley with a two year extension!

    The idea in pro sports today is win a championship and you can breathe easier for a few years while hopefully filling in and developing your prospects.

    That the Yankees have not filled in wisely nor developed their prospects should be the basis of judging the situation not whether the formula of a few stars surrounded by journeymen is the “secret”to annual contention.

    It is and every team in every sport is following that formula. They understand fans(except spoiled Yankee fans) will accept this modus operandi.

    Of course they hadn’t counted on all the internet experts! ;)

  45. blake August 13th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Wave Your Hat says:
    August 13, 2013 at 6:33 pm
    Just a prediction, blake, not a value judgment.

    I know….you’re most likely right

  46. feunraes August 13th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    They should place Hiro and Cano on waivers, try to get some top prospects for a team making a strong push for the world series, then try to re-acquire them in the offseason.

    Should have traded them before July 31.

  47. Giuseppe Franco August 13th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    I’d like to meet a person who actually LIKES Randy Levine.

    I mean….how many of them could there be? Two? Three? Four?

  48. blake August 13th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    “The idea in pro sports today is win a championship and you can breathe easier for a few years while hopefully filling in and developing your prospects.”

    The Yankees aren’t close to winning a championship…signing Cano and having nothing around him doesn’t change that either

  49. Giuseppe Franco August 13th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    I think Blake is right on the Cano.

    The Yanks would be better off over the long haul if they took that money and spent it on 3-4 players rather than one player on the wrong side of 30.

    They should have traded Cano for some value when they had the chance and now they are worse off because of it.

  50. feunraes August 13th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    “The Yanks would be better off over the long haul if they took that money and spent it on 3-4 players rather than one player on the wrong side of 30.”

    3-4 players this offseason or throughout multiple seasons?

    What 3-4 players are taking a combined $20m?

    Keep in mind what Russell Martin makes annually.

  51. comnsnse August 13th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Generalissimo, the Steinbrenner family , Yankee fans and anyone who understands the value of having a known deal maker in their employ would value Levine.

    His connections and know how in shepherding the stadium deal through the myriad of issues in NY city politics are well known to the folks who pay his salary!

  52. endlessjose August 13th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    I like how Jeter is in denial of his injury.He twice came up from rehab to instantly get injured again for rushing his rehab and yet again he thinks he can join the team and jump back in with no sweat.

    Just like A-Rod Jeter is 39 coming off of multiple injuries and needs to understand he’s old.

  53. Giuseppe Franco August 13th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    feunraes August 13th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    “The Yanks would be better off over the long haul if they took that money and spent it on 3-4 players rather than one player on the wrong side of 30.”

    3-4 players this offseason or throughout multiple seasons?

    What 3-4 players are taking a combined $20m?

    Keep in mind what Russell Martin makes annually.

    ——-

    I was referring to the total sum of that Cano contract, which will likely be in the $150M+ range.

    But it would be nice if they went all in on the most talented IRAs. That’s where they’ve really screwed themselves the last few offseasons since they obviously can’t develop their own young position players.

  54. MTU August 13th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

    Keep that arm slot high CC and you will do well Pilgrim.

    :)

  55. Ys Guy August 13th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    the kay and oniell show. i’ll have to mute it.

  56. comnsnse August 13th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    Blake, you just don’t give up with the creating the argument to suit your opinion “strategy”!

    You are speaking of this year which of course is still in progress as if it’s a lifetime sentence of mediocrity.

    You have no idea of the organization’s plans for the off season.

    You conveniently discount the cap issues which require restraint for now.

    You are for acquiring other expensive additions and disposing of a home grown star.

    You have complaints about the lack of spending by management.

    You assume they will do nothing of consequence in the off season.

    You are in a nutshell the spoiled Yankee fan whose “needs” are not being met!

    Thank you for your opinions which of course you’re entitled to, but try comprehending they are not facts nor tablets from the mount!

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