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Yankees pregame: Huff up, Betances down

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Lefty David Huff is back and righty Dellin Betances trades places with him, heading back to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Huff said he felt bad for Betances, who was charged with four runs, five hits and a walk in two-thirds of an inning in Tuesday night’s 14-7 win over the Angels, his lone outing.

“I was really looking forward to being in the bullpen with him,” Huff said. “We’ve been together for as long as I’ve been here. So it kind of sucks. But he’ll be back up here. I know he will. He’s got good stuff. But as far as me, everything I’ve been working on, we’ll see if it works. We’ll see if it pays off.”

The Yankees will need a starter for next Tuesday’s day/night doubleheader against the Blue Jays at Yankee Stadium. Huff, a 28-year-old former Indian, was 1-6 with a 3.84 ERA over 13 outings with the RailRiders, 12 of them starts.

“He’s a guy who can give us more distance, another lefty in the bullpen,” Joe Girardi said. “He’s a guy that’s been starting down there. Moving forward, we have a split doubleheader coming up. so there’s a lot of things (he can do). You’ve got a couple of lefties coming up, it’s a chance to use him, too.”

To make room on the 40-man roster, David Phelps (another forearm strain) was transferred to the 60-day DL.

“He’s not going to pick up a ball for a while again like he did before,” Phelps said. “I think the last day he pitched was July 4. September 4 is not probably realistic anyway for him to come back, so it was a pretty easy move. I think he can pitch in September.”

Phil Hughes is overdue for a decent start. He brings a 4-11 record and a 4.99 ERA into today’s series finale.

“Location,” Girardi said about the key. “It’s simple. Location. That’s what pitching is about, location and changing speeds.”

Derek Jeter worked out with the team today and is next bound for Tampa. He’s eligible to be activated from the DL Sunday in Boston. Will he?

“I wouldn’t think so,” Girardi said. “We’ll go day by day and see where he’s at. I’m not sure (about the following series). He really hasn’t run, running the bases. It’s just day by day and hopefully sooner than later.”

 
 

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90 Responses to “Yankees pregame: Huff up, Betances down”

  1. joeman August 15th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Betances is another in a long line of players in their system that won’t cut it in the majors

  2. Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    repost:

    Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    MG – Like I said, I don’t know if that info came from Cash or the agents. It was probably the agents. Either way, when you’re the Yankees and aren’t upgrading your team, people are going to want to know why. With the new CBA already signed it wasn’t hard to connect the dots.

  3. RayVT August 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Ys Guy August 15th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Very true! But this is what we all have been holding our breath over. The return of our team. Not to say the replacements didn’t do their best, but the Yanks have played all year with one armed tied behind their backs. A lot of us wanted Soriano much earlier & even more of us questioned bringing Jeter back before the AS break.

    This is almost like the movie (can’t think of the name) where the Indians fought against ownerships throwing games only to still win it!

  4. Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    joeman August 15th, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Betances is another in a long line of players in their system that won’t cut it in the majors
    ————————————————————————————-
    Take it easy there Colonel.
    Betances had 1 poor outing. Big deal. The kid deserves a lot more looks before
    he can be described as not being able to cut it.

    I liked the way he threw the ball, but I also think that he should have mixed in a lot
    more breaking balls. Big League hitters can hit any straight fastball. The game was a learning
    experience for him. He’ll be back and probably do very well.

  5. feunraes August 15th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    With Jayson Nix and Chris Stewart playing all year, it’s safe to say Ray that the Yankees were playing paralyzed, not just with one arm tied behind their backs.

  6. joeman August 15th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
    joeman August 15th, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Betances is another in a long line of players in their system that won’t cut it in the majors
    ————————————————————————————-
    Take it easy there Colonel.
    Betances had 1 poor outing. Big deal. The kid deserves a lot more looks before
    he can be described as not being able to cut it.

    I liked the way he threw the ball, but I also think that he should have mixed in a lot
    more breaking balls. Big League hitters can hit any straight fastball. The game was a learning
    experience for him. He’ll be back and probably do very well.

    ——————————
    OK…if you say so…I say no

  7. Ys Guy August 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    quite a turnaround for randy since he was saying last monday that the yankees should have released arod!

    like alot of people said, if he hits a little, a ton of people will turn around and cheer him!

    Let’s Go Yankees!

  8. RayVT August 15th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    joeman August 15th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    You are wrong about Betances. He will be very good. I hope they can take the strides he made this year & turn it into a SP slot again. He still is very young considering.

  9. randy l. August 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    “But clearly, pieces have to fit together to make the whole better. Which seems to be happening now.”

    doreen-

    i agree with that. sometime things have an asymmetrical balance that isn’t so easy to see.

    i think mtu is on to something with his “baseball players aren’t choirboys ” theory.

    hal really does have a choirboy personna about him.
    he seems to be building the team in that direction in addition to the 189 thing.

    ruth, billy martin, nettles, munson, posada, pinella , lots of guys , too many to name them all had an edge to them.

    hal can’t be around that kind of guy. he’s teh kind of guy who when he was a kid would squeal on you if you did something you weren’t supposed to. he wants boy scouts around him.

    george grew up around ship yards. he liked boy scouts types too too, but he was around so many tough people he wasn’t the pansy hal is. i think hal is just titally removed from the players to the point it;s a them against us mentality unless it’s a guy like stewart or overbuy, or wells, or someone else who is just happy to be there.

    real yankee players have always given the finger to the “suits ” upstairs. that’s part of the edge.

    think posada.

  10. Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    RayVT August 15th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    joeman August 15th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    You are wrong about Betances. He will be very good. I hope they can take the strides he made this year & turn it into a SP slot again. He still is very young considering.
    ————————————————————
    Betances as a starter probably won’t happen again. It would take numerous injuries to current starters in the Majors and Minors for the Yankees to consider Betances.
    Since he no longer has options remaining, turning him into a reliever was a last ditch effort to make the kid into a major leaguer.
    His AAA stats have been outstanding. 30 consecutive scoreless innings in the minors. That is hard to miss.
    One poor outing, who cares. Tons of relievers have a poor outing from time to time.

  11. UnKnown August 15th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    No one post anymore on the previous thread it’s at 65 comments.

    65 is a Phil kind of day y’all.

  12. UnKnown August 15th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    cofuzz!!!!! *NEWMAN

  13. randy l. August 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    “quite a turnaround for randy since he was saying last monday that the yankees should have released arod!”

    ys guy-
    now how am supposed to know that evil alex giving hal and the suits the finger would flip the polarity of the yankee universe and bring back a real yankee team ?

    i know i’m smart, wise, talented, good-looking , and humble to a fault, but even i couldn’t have called that one.

    pretty cool development though, don’t you agree? :)

  14. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Nobody is going to be able to get me amped over a Phil Hughes start. I’m getting knots in my stomach already.

  15. Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    Nobody is going to be able to get me amped over a Phil Hughes start. I’m getting knots in my stomach already.
    ——————————————-
    I have to admit I thought Andy was throwing today until I saw the pitching match-ups
    on YES last night.
    My reaction to seeing Hughes on the screen? Well it was not positive. Then I figured if he throws today, he won’t throw in Boston. See, I’m trying to see the positive. I am an optimist.

  16. feunraes August 15th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I’m out. Won’t be watching most of the game today. Heading to the beach.

  17. G. Love August 15th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    I hope Warren is shadowing Hughes in the bullpen if the Yankees are serious about winning today.

    I’m sick of seeing Phlop out there handing away possible wins.

    I’d pull him after he gives up his 1st HR in the top of the 1st.

    That said, the lineup just feels different now. It’s a shame they treated the prior two weeks like they were MLB pincushions.

    It’s not about winning series. It’s about winning streaks at this point. Hughes does his usual routine today and it’s like a 3 game losing streak the way the season is stacked.

  18. cofuzz August 15th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Blake,
    Here’s the evil 66th post from the last thread.

    29 GMs could’ve claimed Andrus on the off chance Texas would just let him go.
    I believe these waivers are revokable, so if Texas wanted something in return and the claiming team didn’t want to give it, Andrus reverts to Texas. But if a team claims him and Texas just wants to dump the salary, the claiming team is on the hook.
    Andrus has youth on his side, but contrary to your statement about his every-year improvement, he actually took a big step back in his age 21 season and now another big step back at 24.
    He has a lot of talent and potential, but it’s almost exclusively speed-based (in homers, he maxed out at 6 — when he was 20.)
    Taking on $15 million a year for a .700 OPS SS with speed doesn’t seem like a great idea. And that’s assuming he outperforms this year’s numbers (and his career numbers) going forward.

  19. Tackelberry August 15th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    If Hughes pitches poorly again today, Girardi has no choice but to take him out of the rotatiuon and give Warren a shot. Can no longer be patient with him and hope he turns it around. Yanks need to win as many games as possible and need to take drastic measures

  20. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    A few things:

    1. Probably be helpful if Huff is allowed to pitch rather than sit around and rust.
    2. Soriano never became what people thought he would become and then had to live up to a massive contract, but all of that aside – he’s been a very good ball player for a lot of years and I’m impressed with how solid he’s been in LF.
    3. This is a mistake you only make once: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......ats-awful/

  21. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Why is Girardi weakening the D, by putting Wells in RF, and Grandy at DH? Something physically wrong with Grandy?

  22. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    I think part of the reason Huff is up is insurance against burning his one long man if Hughes has a short outing. Huff has been starting in Scranton and with the doubleheader coming up Girardi’s probably got thoughts of starting Warren in one of those two games.

  23. Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Tackelberry August 15th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    If Hughes pitches poorly again today, Girardi has no choice but to take him out of the rotatiuon and give Warren a shot. Can no longer be patient with him and hope he turns it around. Yanks need to win as many games as possible and need to take drastic measures
    —————————————————
    Nova is going to pitch again Tuesday as per the DH, unless Girardi pushes him back 1 day.
    Hughes on normal rest can also pitch next Tuesday and start one of the two games.
    But if Hughes does not pitch well again today and if Warren is not needed in Long Relief before Tuesday, then maybe Warren will get a spot start.

  24. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Cofuzz,

    Exactly. Any team could have claimed Andrus. All 30 GM’s passed. Why?

    Because they did not want to risk getting stuck with his contract.

    Texas could have pulled him back if the price was not right. Texas has all the leverage on the first claim.

    Bottom line is – nobody (except Blake) wants that contract.

    Texas would have to eat money or accept less talent in return. They could not get a team to take his contract and pay with top prospects. That much is obvious now because no team would even take on his full contract.

  25. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Once Cashman said Nix on Soriano, you knew the guy would be a good addition. Cashman clueless as usual. He’s just gotta go at season’s end.

  26. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Any player who clears waivers has limited trade value. I bet if you put Erick Aybar on waivers, there’s no way in the world 30 GM’s pass on him. I’ve told Blake before, I’d rather have Aybar. And I’d take Eduardo Nunez over both given the budget.

  27. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    “Andrus has youth on his side, but contrary to your statement about his every-year improvement, he actually took a big step back in his age 21 season and now another big step back at 24.”

    his age 21 season? think about that for a second…..most players aren’t even in the big leagues at that age…..again he was a 4 WAR player in both 2010 and 2011 and he’s 24 years old…..the age most players are just getting to the big leagues. If you think this is what he is then ok….but a team with the Yankees money should try to buy low on guys with talent if it’s a position they are extremely thin at.

    it’s true that if Andrus stays a .700 OPS SS forever then it’s an over pay for him……but what if he progress to a .750-.800 OPS SS with elite defense in his prime? THen you’ve solved the hardest position to solve in the sport right now for a reasonable fee…..

  28. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Signing Mark Reynolds at the pro-rated MLB Minimum, and platooning him with Overbay at 1B, makes a lot more sense, than risking getting stuck with the Andrus Albatross of a contract.

  29. G. Love August 15th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Man, I might’ve bit on the Andrus contract. I also would’ve claimed Morneau and I might even claim Braun if he hit waivers.

    Buying low on Braun and Andrus could’ve changed the franchise in both directions; but if they both did well? It’d be like winning an expansion draft.

    But it’s not my 189.

  30. bruceb August 15th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Beautiful day for baseball.

    Beautiful day for Phil to keep the feel good factor going.

    Beatiful day for Sori to whip another two homers into the bleachers off Wilson.

    Beautiful day to sweep the Angels and send Scioscia to the gallows.

  31. fantasygame101 August 15th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    betances sent down after 1 poor outing? if that is the criteria, joba should be gone, hafner should be gone, nix should be gone, stewart should be gone. In short, maybe there will be no one left in this team except for a few. Again no plan in place for the future. Where is the plan to start wells in 1b?

  32. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Morneau is a free agent at season’s end, so there is No risk in claiming him. That would of been a good move.

  33. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Elvis Albatross

    What Cashman the nincompoop needs to do is circle the LAA carcass and vulture in on Erick Aybar. Like you said, Donny, that’s a team that is prone to bad decisions and will likely have to overhaul management.

  34. Ys Guy August 15th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    “pretty cool development though, don’t you agree? :)

    ====================================
    which one, that the yankees are winning and you’re back here all day, or that after you called for the yankees to release alex, he started hitting then you started being a huge supporter?

  35. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    fantasygame101 August 15th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    betances sent down after 1 poor outing? if that is the criteria, joba should be gone, hafner should be gone, nix should be gone, stewart should be gone. In short, maybe there will be no one left in this team except for a few. Again no plan in place for the future. Where is the plan to start wells in 1b?
    ——————

    The outing had nothing to do with it. With a double header coming up the Yankees wanted someone who could give them multiple innings today in case Hughes stinks so that they can start Adam Warren in one of those two games. That’s my assumption anyway.

    Though the fact that Hughes is so bad he needs to have a personal long reliever behind him is a bigger issue.

  36. Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    blake – I’m with you on Andrus… he’s so, so young.

  37. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “Exactly. Any team could have claimed Andrus. All 30 GM’s passed. Why?”

    well only contenders would be interested anyway…..don’t know why…..the Yankees didn’t because of the money…..most teams didn’t because of the money. Doesn’t mean the Yankees shouldn’t pursue him.

    Aybar is almost 30 years old…..Andrus is 24

  38. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    it’s true that if Andrus stays a .700 OPS SS forever then it’s an over pay for him……but what if he progress to a .750-.800 OPS SS with elite defense in his prime?

    ________

    How many of the 30 GM’s who passed did this calculation/projection ya think?

  39. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    NO way Cashman should have just handed Rios to Texas. That was flat-out Dumb.

  40. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    I think Andrus would count 4.8 million towards the luxury tax for 2014……I need JF or somebody who knows though to confirm or correct that.

    His new contract doesn’t start until 2015….and his old 3/14.4 deal runs through 2014……I don’t know if the new contract figures into the AAV or not or if they are kept separate.

  41. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Aybar is 29 until mid January 2014.

    He’s owed 8 million/yr over 3 years.

    Somebody would snatch him up immediately. He has far more value than Elivs Andrus.

  42. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Aybar would be a stop-gap. I’m iffy on his D, which shows how goffy the handing out of the Gold Gloves is. Absolute JOKE in Aybar’s case.

  43. Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    bruceb August 15th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    Beautiful day for baseball.

    Beautiful day for Phil to keep the feel good factor going.

    Beatiful day for Sori to whip another two homers into the bleachers off Wilson.

    Beautiful day to sweep the Angels and send Scioscia to the gallows.
    ———————————————————————————–
    And another great day to hear Paulie in the booth. He makes the game a lot of fun.
    His great line last night was regarding Dave Steib and how Paulie hit a HR off him.

    Every game Paulie is in the booth he provides a lot of comedy either at the expense
    of Kay or himself. AWESOME!!!

  44. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    “How many of the 30 GM’s who passed did this calculation/projection ya think?”

    who cares? How is that relevant…..some teams are dumb anyway…..just because you’re a big league GM doesn’t mean you don’t make mistakes. Look I could be wrong about Elvis…..but I love his game and at 24 if I was the Yankees I would have took that risk at the chance to solve SS for years……of course they haven’t been operating like the Yankees for awhile now.

  45. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    “Somebody would snatch him up immediately. He has far more value than Elivs Andrus.”

    is Aybar available? who would play SS for LA? They should snatch up Troy Tulo too if he’s available but I’m talking about Elvis because he might be.

  46. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    I can’t imagine Texas selling low on Andrus this winter. They saw enough in him to give him that monster deal even with Profar in the system; I just don’t see it.

    Chris Owings – he’s the SS Cashman should target. The D’Backs are set at both middle infield spots with Gregorious and Hill; Owings would be a perfect fit for the Yankees. Play him at 3b next season if Alex is suspended and then he takes over for Jeter the following year at SS. Kind of like what the O’s are doing with Machado and Hardy.

  47. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Blake,

    Some teams are dumb? You’re suggesting 0 out of 30 GM’s did that calculation/projection rather than the likely 30/30. The risk is too high.

    Andrus is signed through 2023

    That’s right 2023

    2014 25 Texas Rangers $6,475,000
    2015 26 Texas Rangers $15,000,000
    2016 27 Texas Rangers $15,000,000
    2017 28 Texas Rangers $15,000,000
    2018 29 Texas Rangers $15,000,000
    2019 30 Texas Rangers $15,000,000
    2020 31 Texas Rangers $15,000,000
    2021 32 Texas Rangers $14,000,000
    2022 33 Texas Rangers $14,000,000
    2023 34 Texas Rangers *$15,000,000 $15M Vesting Option

  48. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    I agree on the “30 GM’s passing” issue. Any group that includes Cashman has credibility problems right outta the gate.

  49. cofuzz August 15th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Andrus’ WAR, which maxed out at 4.1, is largely based on his defense and speed. Those metrics tend to be overrated in WAR or underrated by most baseball fanatics/statisticians, depending on how you look at it.
    Either way, you can expect a middle infielder, in the post-PED era, to begin declining in speed (and probably defense) in his 30s, if not sooner because of the wear-and-tear of so many major league seasons. In fact, Andrus may have already peaked in his most WAR-collecting talent.
    He may very well have nowhere to go but down.

  50. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Andrus makes DOUBLE what Aybar makes. They comparable bats, defense and speed.

  51. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    What’s wrong with Nunez at SS? Andrus should have the tires kicked, and Aybar explored, but conducting an absolute man-hunt at SS this offseason is unnecessary.

  52. bruceb August 15th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    I always enjoy listening to O’Neill too; he gives good insight and has a great sense of humor.

  53. Ys Guy August 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    despite other things going well, i am not confident that its going to rub off on phil.

    its all there for him still, a big finish, maybe the PS, a big contract, if he can just put together 6 good weeks.

    sadly i just dont see it happening…..

    …but im still hoping against hope…

  54. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Heck I’d rather have Jose Iglesias.

    What did the White Sox pay?

    Certainly not 150 M over a decade while Julio Iglesias turns 34.

    They got Iglesias for 2 years of Peavy.

    But that’s Dombrowski we’re talking about here.

  55. G. Love August 15th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    I would’ve gambled on claiming Andrus as he’s exactly the kind of player we should be looking at and he doesn’t seem to be a product of PED’s. Just a down season. That said, you don’t want to pay that money to a .700 OPS player, but is that who he really is, is the question.

    Yankees new Moneyball should be to take MLB’s overpaid gambles. It worked for the Dodgers taking the Red Sox high priced second guesses outside of Beckett. Andrus is young and athletic.

    I would’ve went there.

  56. Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    It’s not actually 100% accurate to assume that because 30 teams passed they did so for the same reason. Some teams just don’t need an SS.

  57. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I enjoy O’Neill on the mental approach to hitting, and the mechanical adjustments a hitter makes. His comments on food, Kay, Ohio, etc, are merely chatter that is usually going on while action is occurring on the field.

  58. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Right because some teams (Tigers) acquired their all-glove SS without having to forfeit 150 M and 10 years of a roster spot.

  59. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Heck I’d rather have Jose Iglesias.

    What did the White Sox pay?

    Certainly not 150 M over a decade while Julio Iglesias turns 34.

    They got Iglesias for 2 years of Peavy.

    But that’s Dombrowski we’re talking about here.
    ———————-

    Tigers gave up a very good outfield prospect for Iglasies

    Boston also sold very high on a guy who most people think will be the next Rey Ordonez – a very good fielder with no bat. The fact that he was hitting early is why Boston was able to get Peavy for him. What’s more, Boston didn’t have any long term place for him with Will Middlebrooks and Xander Bogarts.

  60. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    “Andrus is signed through 2023″

    and he’s 24 years old! You get most of his 20′s and his early 30′s…..I understand your point about the money and the risk but they need a SS and he’s got the potential to fix that position for a decade……but hey you’re free to play musical SS”s for the next 10 years if you want.

  61. DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Hal and Levine do Not have a hair on their butt. They ain’t gamblin’ jack, and have no love of The Game. Bottom line suits is All they are.

  62. Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    DONNYBROOK August 15th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    I enjoy O’Neill on the mental approach to hitting, and the mechanical adjustments a hitter makes. His comments on food, Kay, Ohio, etc, are merely chatter that is usually going on while action is occurring on the field.
    ———————————————————–
    Those examples are what makes him hilarious.
    He told a quick story last night about how Kay would interview him back in the 90′s.
    Paulie was just setting up Kay so he could rip him a few times during the telecast.
    BRILLIANT!!!

  63. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    If I’m shopping for an all-glove no bat SS, I’d target Iglesias like Dombrowski and get one cheap. Blake (and Shame and G. Love) can go ahead and pay 150 M and drop 10 years on one.

  64. Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    “Andrus is signed through 2023?

    and he’s 24 years old! You get most of his 20?s and his early 30?s…..I understand your point about the money and the risk but they need a SS and he’s got the potential to fix that position for a decade……but hey you’re free to play musical SS”s for the next 10 years if you want.

    —————–

    Yeah the pipe dream desire for Andrus is mostly born from watching Nunez and Nix play SS with absolutely no other solution anywhere in the system lol.

  65. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    “Andrus’ WAR, which maxed out at 4.1, is largely based on his defense and speed. Those metrics tend to be overrated in WAR or underrated by most baseball fanatics/statisticians, depending on how you look at it.”

    In general I agree….but SS defense is more important than anywhere else aside from catcher….an elite defender at SS can win you games…..and again I don’t think he’s done growing as a hitter.

    It took Ozzie smith 5 years to hit at all in the big leagues……he was still kinda valuable I’d say.

  66. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    G. Love

    I would have gambled on both Andrus and Morneau.

  67. G. Love August 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    I can’t with Nix anymore. I just can’t.

  68. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    “If I’m shopping for an all-glove no bat SS, I’d target Iglesias like Dombrowski and get one cheap. Blake (and Shame and G. Love) can go ahead and pay 150 M and drop 10 years on one”

    well sure but do you know of another one? the best GM in baseball (or one of them) already snatched Julio up)…….

  69. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Eduardo Nunez still hasn’t been given a full season of SS without Derek Jeter breathing down his neck so we really don’t know what he’d do if he consistently played the position knowing it was his job not a NYY legend’s.

  70. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    “If I’m shopping for an all-glove no bat SS, I’d target Iglesias like Dombrowski and get one cheap. Blake (and Shame and G. Love) can go ahead and pay 150 M and drop 10 years on one”

    well sure but do you know of another one? the best GM in baseball (or one of them) already snatched Julio up)…….

    ______________

    But I suspect he did this knowing Andrus would clear waivers, and knowing like all the other GM’s, Andrus at that cost is a horrible option.

  71. Warning Track Power August 15th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    Eduardo Nunez still hasn’t been given a full season of SS without Derek Jeter breathing down his neck so we really don’t know what he’d do if he consistently played the position knowing it was his job not a NYY legend’s.
    ——————————————————————————————-
    Nunez is only going to get better on defense.
    More game, more reps and more experience will benefit him greatly and has benefited just
    about every MLB player.

    But if the Yankees can upgrade and acquire a proven Veteran, then it should be done.

  72. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Eduardo Nunez still hasn’t been given a full season of SS without Derek Jeter breathing down his neck so we really don’t know what he’d do if he consistently played the position knowing it was his job not a NYY legend’s.
    ——————

    He could have had that this season – got hurt – lost opportunity for Nunie…if the Yankees find someone better you go with that, not the unknown.

    By the way – Eduardo Nunez is 3 years older than Andrus.

  73. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    “But I suspect he did this knowing Andrus would clear waivers, and knowing like all the other GM’s, Andrus at that cost is a horrible option.”

    I disagree so we can leave it there

  74. Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Nunez is only going to get better on defense.

    ——————

    Lol, I dunno what would make people think so… he’s 26, spent most of his career in the minors, and makes at least one bone headed play per game at SS. His D is just not very good and I don’t think that’s something he can grow into.

  75. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    I say you don’t give away 150 M plus a prospect until you know what you have. And like I said, you don’t know and you won’t know until Eduardo Nunez is your starting shortstop in 2015.

  76. fantasygame101 August 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    they do not need a sp for the double header bec. they have off day on Monday. So warren can still pitch today. And if warren pitches today, he still can pitch on Tuesday which could be good bec. he is not cold. Betances being sent down now does not make sense in every sensible way. Besides with how low joba is in the picking order, let him do the mop up duty if need be.

  77. comnsnse August 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    “The Steinboys are like choir boys”?

    Yet another ‘theory” for this years decline.

    Astounding, my question is where on the list of maladies does this new theory rank?

    I guess there are more than a few successful business people who might fit that description as well.

    If your very successful stock broker was thus described but looked like a milquetoast, you would change to someone who looked like an NFL lineman? ;)

  78. blake August 15th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Nunie is what he is ……he’s gonna decline more over the next 5 years than he improves most likely

  79. randy l. August 15th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    “its all there for him still, a big finish, maybe the PS, a big contract, if he can just put together 6 good weeks.

    sadly i just dont see it happening…..”

    ys guy-

    alex is handing out a secret tshirt to players like hughes to wear under their uniforms

    it says “STFU”

    hughes should have been extended a long time ago.
    he definitely can jump on alex’s “us against them” bandwagon.

    i like hughes as a pitcher.
    they still could sign him cheap rift now.

  80. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Yeah Blake because ages 26-31 is when a player declines.

  81. Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    I say you don’t give away 150 M plus a prospect until you know what you have. And like I said, you don’t know and you won’t know until Eduardo Nunez is your starting shortstop in 2015.

    ———————-

    So your plan at SS is to ‘wait and see what you have’ with Eduardo Nunez…? We already know what we have with Nunez. He’s a backup SS.

  82. fantasygame101 August 15th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    nunez, without the injuries and slow recovery time, could make an argument to be given a chance at ss.

  83. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    We already know what we have with Nunez.

    _________

    We do?

    How many full seasons has he played with Jeter retired?

  84. blake August 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    Jesus Bustero says:
    August 15, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    Yeah Blake because ages 26-31 is when a player declines.

    Marginal guys sometimes fall off a cloff when they turn 30….Nunez is 27….he loses a step athletically and he’s done

  85. blake August 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Nunez is in the running for most overrated Yankee ever.

  86. Chip August 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Shame Spencer August 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Nunez is only going to get better on defense.

    ——————

    Lol, I dunno what would make people think so…
    ——————

    Because it is impossible for him to get worse.

  87. MTU August 15th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

    :)

  88. Jesus Bustero August 15th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    So when Andrus is 27, 3 years into a 10 year contract, he could lose a step athletically and be done and yet you don’t see the risk there where you see it with Nunez who makes nothing? Ok, Blake.

    Nunez is just as athletic as Andrus. Nunez is super quick, steals bases like Andrus and his a very quick bat. He’s obviously not as skilled as Andrus as a defender but he has a comparable amount of raw athleticism. If he falters at 27 you lose nothing. If Andrus falters at 27, you lose 7 years on a 10 year 150 M deal.

  89. Ys Guy August 15th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    “hughes should have been extended a long time ago.
    he definitely can jump on alex’s “us against them” bandwagon.

    i like hughes as a pitcher.
    they still could sign him cheap rift now.”
    ===================================

    as far as hughes goes, whatever helps (short of what alex is best known for) is a good thing.

    i hope you’re right that he can still put something together.

    idk if i want them to bring him back, certainly leaning toward telling him not to let the door hit him in the ass, but like i said, he still does have the time and the opportunity to turn around his fortunes quite quickly.

    im hoping….i dont have much faith left, but im hoping…

  90. comnsnse August 15th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Buster, good logic and comments re: Nunez.

    His playing time has never been perceived as being a regular.

    His offensive potential is evident, his base running and speed are a given, and he has the tools to play he position now that he has changed his arm angle on throws.

    I believe you have to give him a solid 50-75 games as the regular S.S.before making a permanent judgment.

    How can that possibly happen when no one knows Jeter’s status?

    Therefore the discourse is about opinions based on a sketchy and infrequent work product, but you make good points.


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