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Postgame notes: “Could have been a whole lot different”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Dustin Pedroia, Alfonso Soriano

Given what they’re up against, every Yankees loss seems to carry extra weight these days. They can’t be satisfied with winning a series. They have to get on a real roll, carry that momentum from game to game, and keep winning every time have a chance to win.

Tonight might have been a winable game if not for the mistakes.

“We gave them some extra outs, we got some extra outs at times and lost an out,” Joe Girardi said. “I think the game could have been a whole lot different than what it ended up. It would have been interesting.”

Which is what made this loss especially hard to swallow. John Lackey did pitch well, but the Yankees had a starter fully capable of matching that performance. There are going to be times when the Yankees are beaten by an outstanding performance — that’s an unavoidable reality — but they helped give this game away, and they can’t afford to do that.

“It’s not that (a loss) carries extra impact,” Lyle Overbay said. “It’s just that we can’t dig ourselves in a hole for no reason. If we get out-pitched, we get out-defensed, we get out-hit, that’s something (that’s easier to accept). But when you make a mistake like I did, I mean, this is playoff atmosphere. This is how we’ve got to play. We’ve got to be sound, and those are things that we can’t have.”

Overbay’s throwing error botched what could have been an inning-ending double play to save three runs. It would have kept the inning shorter, which would have minimized Hiroki Kuroda’s pitch count, which might have kept Kuroda in the game longer and made him more effective later. The Yankees best offensive inning was the second when they had four base runners but managed to score no runs because of Alfonso Soriano’s bad base running.

“I mean, they are big losses, in a sense, but you can’t make too much of one game,” Girardi said. “You have to go out and win a series tomorrow. That’s the bottom line, you have to win the series and we have an opportunity to do that.”

Would have helped to have given themselves an opportunity today.

Alex Rodriguez• The Alex Rodriguez situation hangs over everything now. Today’s accusation that the Yankees intentionally played him while he was injured was among the most startling things to come out of all this, particularly because it implicates Joe Girardi, who has routinely gone out of his way to back Rodriguez publicly. “I don’t ever want to ruin anyone’s career,” Girardi said. “That would break my heart. I’ve often talked about — and sometimes maybe I take some heat — with the way I handle a bullpen, but I am not ruining anyone’s career. That’s not who I am. I never felt that anyone ever put me in jeopardy and I don’t want to do that.”

• Did Girardi know the extent of Rodriguez’s hip injury during the playoffs? “No, I didn’t,” Girardi said. “We didn’t know. From everything I knew, he felt good. Then the one day came up — the day that I pinch-hit (for him) — he just said his hip wasn’t firing. That was the first inkling for me that maybe there was something wrong, but (he said) it was his right hip.”

• At what point does Girardi have to address all of this with the team? “I think you have to see if it impacts all the players around him, or if it’s impacting him where he’s not able to perform at the level we expect him to,” Girardi said. “It becomes a lot for him to probably digest every day, but so far I haven’t seen it. … (His focus has) been on the field for me, from what I’ve seen.”

• Girardi was asked whether it’s possible for him to think of Rodriguez strictly as a player while all of this in-fighting is going on with the front office. “I have to,” Girardi said. “Because there are other things that come up as a manager that you have to be able to separate. It could be guys aren’t happy about their contract or a guy gets sent down. As a manager, you have to have a relationship with your players and get the most out of them.”

Hiroki Kuroda• As for today’s actual game, Kuroda acknowledged that the long fourth inning — with the Overbay error and the blown call at third base — took a toll on him. “Yes, I would have to say so because the pitch count was up obviously,” he said. “Physically, it sort of wore you down.”

• What happened to Overbay on the throw? “I just didn’t finish the throw,” he said. “It’s frustrating because I feel like if I get a good grip on the ball, I can throw the ball. I just didn’t finish the throw. It ended up costing us. Those are big situations. Kuroda did a great job of getting outs and keeping us in the game. I hate when it ends up like that and we get into situations that we didn’t need to – just get an out even if we didn’t get the double play. It’s an easy double play, should’ve been.”

• Girardi the umpire told him Rodriguez’s tag was high on the double steal, that’s why the runner was called safe.

• Girard on Soriano being doubled up at second base: “He was safe at second on the stolen base. He did get doubled up. It was a tough read and he read it wrong. I always talk about guys are sometimes going to make the wrong read. It’s just human nature. They’re not going to be perfect all the time.”

• This was Kuroda’s shortest outing since July 12. He has a 4.66 ERA against the Red Sox this season; a 2.11 against everyone else.

• Soriano had another good day at the plate. He was 2-for-4 and is hitting .682 in his past five games.

• Robinson Cano’s hitting streak ended at 11 games. It was his second double-digit streak of the season.

• Why not give the final word to Girardi, talking about separating what’s happening on the field from what’s going on off the field. That’s kind of what today seemed to be about, anyway. “It’s something that I’m sure as time goes on, we will understand more and more,” Girardi said. “For me, it’s too early to digest. I have to worry about this; what we’re doing here. I can’t worry about accusations and stuff flying all over the place. My main job is to make sure his focus is on the field when he’s out there and I will do that.”

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326 Responses to “Postgame notes: “Could have been a whole lot different””

  1. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Bunch of nonsense.

  2. Jesus Bustero August 17th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    He’s a prick.

  3. Chip August 17th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I agree with the sentiment that if Alex really feels like the Yankees have wronged him, file a grievance.

  4. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    They are playing the victim card.
    So transparent.

  5. Chip August 17th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    That said, I predicted that if Alex felt he was being painted into a corner he would start laying out accusations himself. I feel like (true or not) he’s going to start threatening to implicate other teammates.

  6. Chip August 17th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
    They are playing the victim card.
    So transparent.
    ———————————–

    Actually it’s Alex who is playing the victim card.

  7. blake August 17th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    This Arod thing is unbelievably strange….unlike anything I’ve eve seen

  8. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    The media look like fools, acting in a frenzy, like they will get a straight answer as Alex feigns innocence.

  9. DAM23 August 17th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    If Arod can take down Levine with him, I’d be good with that.

  10. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Actually it’s Alex who is playing the victim card.
    ================
    Of course. Team Alex.

  11. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Are they trying to influence an arbiter to view him as a victim?
    Strange strategy…doesn’t seem sound.

  12. Ed Whitson August 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    He should have taken the suspension. He doesn’t realize it but it was his only path to redemption. Would have allowed the Yankees to save on his salary next year and for the game to be rid of a cheater. Win-Win-Win.

  13. Chip August 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Blake – I just read the transcript from his post game interview. My take on it is this – if you want to fire at the Yankees fine. But at least have the b*lls to take ownership of it.

    The lawyer is speaking on your behalf, no way you didn’t know this was coming and thus “need to read the article.”

    The Yankees are willing to call his bluff and release all medical records and have told him that if he feels wronged he should file a grievance, he hasn’t done that.

  14. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    This is all about lowering the penalty to 50-100 games.

  15. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    alex hasn’t a clue and is leaving it to his lawyers.
    if he knew how to play the media, like Papi, he would be loved like Papi.
    Therein lies his problem…

  16. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    its as if they are trying to plead his case thru the court of public opinion.
    as if that would matter to a fair minded arbiter.

  17. blake August 17th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    “The Yankees are willing to call his bluff and release all medical records and have told him that if he feels wronged he should file a grievance, he hasn’t done that.”

    Agreed….I wish they would all just shut up to be honest….Arod, MLb, everybody

  18. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    gag order…is that possible?

  19. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Strange strategy…doesn’t seem sound.

    ——-

    It almost like there is no strategy on either side… lets just throw an enormous amount of cr@p against a wall and see what sticks

  20. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Yanks should no longer respond to anything Team Alex puts out there.
    Take the high road…they will win the case, show some class, make them look like classless low-lifes.

  21. blake August 17th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    Alex’s lawyers speak for him….so even if he didnt know what they were talking about (which is kinda ridiculous) anything his reps say reflects on him…..they all need to stop the leaks and stop talking.

    Tell it to the arbitrator and shut up MLB….shut up Arod and focus on baseball

  22. JT August 17th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Would not be surprised if 211 is cut in half. Braun gets 65 and A-Rod gets 211?

  23. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    This is the reason I wanted him to appeal. Let it all come out in a court of law or before an arbiter. There is no doubt this isn’t about his guilt, it’s about the length of the penalty.
    If they have enough against him, then bring it all out and let an arbiter decide.
    Let’s see what they’ve got…all of this other stuff is childish.

  24. Ed Whitson August 17th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    The Yanks have to respond – if they don’t it just validates his crazy.

  25. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Yet there are people here that will call this a witch hunt.
    Contrarians, much?

  26. Pat M. August 17th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    It’s been said before, If this issue goes nuclear then the collateral damage will be significant. And if Alex goes down please take that hump Randy Levine down with you Alex !!!!! Going to be a hellava side show Alex’s new pitbull mouth piece vs Randy Levine and my money is that the Slimeball ex-poli lawyer from City Hall gets his tail handed to him.

  27. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    – if they don’t it just validates his crazy.
    =======================
    How so?
    If he’s crazy, the Yanks win.

  28. Ed Whitson August 17th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    No I meant it validates his crazy allegations.

  29. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    No I meant it validates his crazy allegations.
    =============
    Again, how so?
    Let it be settled in court.
    Their allegations seem crazy. No response is the proper action.

  30. JT August 17th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    I mean after all, MLB is shocked, just shocked, that PEDs still exist in the game.

    If A-Rod gets 211, what does the leadership of the game get for knowingly closing their eyes to this stuff?

    And of course our intrepid sports media industrial complex was all over this story throughout the 90s–as balls were flying out of ballparks at insane rates.

  31. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    The media feeds the frenzy.
    It’s their job.

  32. pat August 17th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    Alex talking about bumpy roads and a process while saying nothing about PED use while MLB talks about integrity of the game but seems to lack it in how they have handled the situation.

    Plenty of shady to go around.

    Interesting question raised. Will Bosch follow through and testify during the arbitration or will he plead the 5th because of 2 Federal agencies reportedly investigating him now?

  33. mick August 17th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    I mean after all, MLB is shocked, just shocked, that PEDs still exist in the game.
    ==================
    Should they continue to do nothing about it?
    The players are getting behind this now, it’s a different ballgame.

  34. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Speaking of appeal… I had to listen to the ESPN radio feed of the game today. The announcers ( Sciambi and Singleton) absolutely blasted Lackey for his comments that Arod should not be allowed to play during appeal. They even said (paraphrasing) “how about when you won the ring in ’02… how many of your team mates were juicing?”. I was amazed

  35. jacksquat August 17th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    The new bronx zoo is a little bit different.

  36. UnKnown August 17th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Mick – Not that it’s really important because this whole Alex thing is really silly, but are you leaning towards Alex on this issue, the Yankees, MLB, who? Your comments are as usual pretty cryptic.

  37. JT August 17th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Come on mick, you don’t think there is just a wee bit of selective outrage toward A-Rod here?

    211 games….and David Ortiz is a beloved hero in Boston?

  38. pat August 17th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Tejada was suspended 105 games for using a performance enhancing substance that MLB allows over 100 players to use with their permission through a therapeutic use exemption.

  39. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Should they continue to do nothing about it?The players are getting behind this now, it’s a different ballgame.

    —–

    Call me a cynic but I keep thinking that some of these players that are crying to the high heavens for stiffer penalties are the same players that have just not been caught yet.

  40. UnKnown August 17th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    Soriano blows another save. That dude is having a horrible year.

  41. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    After all, just before Ortiz’s name was released as having failed a test in ’03, he railed about stiff penalties for cheaters

  42. mick August 17th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Call me a cynic but I keep thinking that some of these players that are crying to the high heavens for stiffer penalties are the same players that have just not been caught yet.
    ===================
    And therein it lies in a nutshell.
    Cynicism has come to baseball due to the use of PED’s.

    No need to take sides here as anonymous implies.
    Objectivity is all that’s required.
    Come to your own conclusions in due process and time.

  43. jmills August 17th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Victom of, love. Go, Dave Stieb.

  44. UnKnown August 17th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yen9giUAt_E
    ———–

    Jorge’s B-Day today. One of the greatest Yankees ever. JAP you might want to check it out. You too YF. Have a tissue handy though, it’s pretty emotional. J Al he even throws out a base runner in the video. Who knew :wink:

  45. JT August 17th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    And what about Raffy Palmiero and his righteous indignation in front of Congress?

    The players would do well just to be quiet on this. I would not at all be surprised if we learned that at least 30 percent of these guys are still doing PEDs.

  46. Jesus Bustero August 17th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Arod and his attorneys are con artists. Believe their words at your own peril. In the meantime, think for yourself.

  47. Jesus Bustero August 17th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    When has Arod told the truth?

    Think long and hard on that one.

  48. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    The players would do well just to be quiet on this.

    —–

    AGREED!

  49. mick August 17th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    Arod and his attorneys are con artists.
    ========================
    But Arod hasn’t murdered anyone…LOL.

    He better start hitting…for power, eff the singles.

  50. jmills August 17th, 2013 at 11:21 pm

    Unknown, crap – I can’t open it! Sorry!!!

  51. mick August 17th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Believe their words at your own peril.
    =================
    Who cares what we believe. Let an arbiter decide.

  52. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    Unknown – unfortunately, the video won’t play on my phone… no matter – Jorge was was one of my all time faves. HAPPY BDAY JORGE!!

  53. Jesus Bustero August 17th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Well Arod’s still running for student council, so this popularity contest obviously matters to him, but no one else. Eff his name. Eff his attorneys and eff him.

  54. UnKnown August 17th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    It’s also on RAB’s open thread for the night. That is where I got it from but this is a different link that might work.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....-61-92870/

  55. randy l. August 17th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    i had an interesting day today.

    i was talking with a friend and his family outside my business. they’re on vacation from the balt/wash area. he’s an official scorer for oriole games about 30 games a year. we got talking about alex and he told me a story about a pitcher named mayotte who was trying to be alex’s friend while both were rangers .
    mayotte drilled an opposing player to retaliate when alex got hit. then the next night mayotte was covering first on a 3-6-1 double play . alex’s throw was behind mayotte and ball went off his golve and into the stands. so my friend gave alex an error.
    later during the game the pitcher calls the press box and tells my friend it was his error. so my frind says he’ll review it. then the game is over and he’s reviewing it, and alex calls him. my friend tells him he’s not supposed to talk with players, but he’ll review it. he does and decides alex gets the error.
    it was just a funny little story about how alex would worry about something like that.
    what was interesting was that shortly after the story when we were discussing it ,200-300 bad ass bikers roar through the cross walk right in front of us. they’re not letting anyone cross and aren’t stooping at all even though a middle age couple was standing in the middle of the road unable to take a step forward.
    that’s when i decided with all this rebel talk and alex and all, it was time for me to stop a biker group in it’s tracks.
    yup, i made eye contact with a biker about 30 yards incoming and stepped right in front of him in the middle of the cross walk and when he stopped they all stopped. the couple walked across and a whole bunch of ladies also crossed. the bikers gave me a whole lot of hand signals. basically told me i wasn’t very smart.
    i pointed at the cross walk and said ” crosswalk” . they said something that sounded an awful lot like
    muck ewe pass whole. anyway i walked back to my friend the official scorer and asked how he’s score what i just did.
    he said he was more busy preparing what he was going to say at my funeral.

    now this story seems to have no point, but when the bad guys don’t stop at cross walks someone has to step in and maybe take the hit. now they said i was the bad guy. i say it was them. now maybe they were riding for a good cause,outlaw groups sometimes do, but that still doesn’t give them the right to roar through a little town and intimidate tourists in a crosswalk.

    now this started with an alex story so i guess some could say it was alex who could have caused my death by being run over by multiple motorcycles or maybe he had nothing to do with it. of course him rebelling put that spirit in me so maybe it was alex’s fault.
    maybe the point is alex is so big he’s everywhere now.

    or maybe theres no point to my story, but that was what happened.
    sometimes you have to step up.
    or maybe it’s better to let the assholes get their way and be gone.

    somewhere in this alex mess someone is definitely not stopping at crosswalks.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    “But Arod hasn’t murdered anyone…LOL.”

    Yeah but he’s an accomplice in capital murder, which makes him guilty of murder – he’s helped to murder the reputation of baseball.

    He’s a walking piece of crap, a con artist, an apparent sociopath, a liar, a thief (he’s stolen his money for endless seasons), and a PEDs recidivist. And now he’s allowing his attorneys to besmirch the reputation of the New York Yankees in an attempt to deflect attention away from him. As always, it’s all about Arod, and everyone and everything around him can die for all he cares. He’s a pathological liar and a narcissist of the highest order and the ultimate user.

    Karma is a b*tch. His fall will be mighty, far mightier than what’s happening now.

    And Tacopina’s modus operandi is to stir the pot publicly and often.

    Arod is a fraud. His presence serves to dirty the rest of the team.

  57. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    UnKnown says:August 17, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    It’s also on RAB’s open thread for the night. That is where I got it from but this is a different link that might work.

    —–

    Thanks Unknown. . Awesome video

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    “Believe me, on the way up, as I was getting these big cases, people would try to discourage me, saying, ‘Don’t go into criminal law, don’t be on TV, don’t be in the newspaper, don’t do this, and don’t do that.’ But looking back, I think a lot of what I did was out of the box. Lawyers used to shun the media, and I think that was a mistake. High-profile cases are debates in the public opinion, and you’re doing your client a disservice if you don’t respond.”

  59. roxy1 August 17th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Randy,

    Alex cheated. Alex lied. He has a long history of cheating and lying. Simply put, he is a sleaze, he got caught and in his sleazy way he is trying to get out of his punishment. MLB is doing its job based on evidence they claim to have and will provide to the arbiter.

    You are soooo over the top dramatic about it…like it is some big mystical, spiritual event in time. Geez, alex is a sleazeball, MLB has the goods on him, the Yankees are just a baseball team (and a business). Come back down to Earth and reality.

  60. UnKnown August 17th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Sweet Story Randy. Very interesting.

  61. Jesus Bustero August 17th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    creeptastic bromance

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    “Randy,

    Alex cheated. Alex lied. He has a long history of cheating and lying. Simply put, he is a sleaze, he got caught and in his sleazy way he is trying to get out of his punishment. MLB is doing its job based on evidence they claim to have and will provide to the arbiter.

    You are soooo over the top dramatic about it…like it is some big mystical, spiritual event in time. Geez, alex is a sleazeball, MLB has the goods on him, the Yankees are just a baseball team (and a business). Come back down to Earth and reality.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

    **********

    No.

  63. Jesus Bustero August 17th, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    Alex needs to write a tell-all bromance novel.

  64. RhapsodyInBlue August 17th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    60 minutes story tomorrow night and then I wonder how many of the sports and political shows Tacopina will attack and appear on Sunday morning.

    The poor victim Arod.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Rhapsody, Tacopina was extremely effective in insuring that Natalee Holloway’s family never found out what happened to her. I’m sure that the family of Flores Ramirez was eternally grateful for that…

  66. chicken_stanley August 17th, 2013 at 11:58 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue says:August 17, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    60 minutes story tomorrow night and then I wonder how many of the sports and political shows Tacopina will attack and appear on Sunday morning.The poor victim Arod.

    ———-

    I guess I’m just a bit naive. .. how exactly does the court of public opinion help Arod’s case in front of an arbiter?

  67. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:05 am

    Trisha,

    Imo Tacopina was hired for his skills in using and his access to the media. But I can’t ever remember a situation of him ever defending anyone other than scumbags.

    So there is no surprise for me here.

  68. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    trisha-
    the problem with your scenario is that the yankees signed alex knowing who he was just like they did giambi and clemens.

    the yankees are not innocent bystanders here at all.

    this is about power and money and dirty tricks.

    if anyone thinks these are all on alex’s side of the equation they are extremely naive or simply true believers that the yankees can of no wrong.

  69. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    do no wrong

  70. jmills August 18th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    I like, Rajai Davis, the guy can steal you, blind.

  71. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    chicken Stanley

    It might not.

    But it could be that he is looking down the road and building his case for his lawsuit against the Yankees.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 18th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    “But I can’t ever remember a situation of him ever defending anyone other than scumbags.

    So there is no surprise for me here.”

    For me either.

    ***************

    randy, how did they know who he was? Texas didn’t know who he was until he came clean!

  73. jmills August 18th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Randy, I’m going to have to get my Jerry Grote cards out! Garth Iorg was a secret threat.

  74. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Randy to say that the Yankees knew Giambi and Clemens were users is just ridiculous.

    Giambi was coming off of an MVP season when signed by the Yankees and was recruited partially by Joe Torre.

    No one had a clue that Clemens was juicing.

  75. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    trisha-

    steroids were everywhere. i was around these guys. i was down there in port charlotte where their spring training was. the rangers were so full of steroid using players you couldn’t possible not know.

  76. jmills August 18th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Trish, u survived the nephew and niece!

    Amaxing, Tom Seaver!!!

  77. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    the yankees are so deep and dirty in the steroid mess over a lot of years that there is no way management didn’t know what was going on.

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 18th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    jmills – I did but I need a vacation from the vacation! They are nonstop active kids!!! So beautiful though.

    :)

  79. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    The rhetoric sounds good but without specifics the argument you present Randy rings hallow.

  80. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    steroids were part of the baseball culture.

    if i as a bullpen catcher back in the 90′s knew they were everywhere, then why didn’t ownership? of course they did.

    some of you are so naive about what goes on behind the scenes it’s ridiculous.

    that’s it for me tonight.

    to be continued

  81. jmills August 18th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    ” I need a vacation from the vacation ” – so, true.

  82. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Another throws in the towel.

  83. chicken_stanley August 18th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    Jmills – Jerry Grote??? Now that’s a blast from the past!!! And Iorg?? He was just a secret :)

  84. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    rib-

    you talk a lot about fishing and sound knowledgeable.

    know why?

    you fished a lot in a lot of places.

    i was there , just like you were there fishing.

    don’t tell me steroid weren’t everywhere because they were.

    ownerships knew what was going on.

  85. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Randy,

    The big difference between you and I is that I have pictures of where I’ve been and of the fish I caught you have bs.

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 18th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    “some of you are so naive about what goes on behind the scenes it’s ridiculous.”

    You paint with far too broad a brush. You have no way of knowing exactly who knew what – though Lou Merloni did report that a doctor talked to them about the proper way to inject steroids, and that story was immediately scotched. Once again, the Selig-Henry connection rears its ugly head. At this point the only delusional ones are the ones that don’t know the Sux are given special dispensation.

    I also don’t believe the Yankees had a clue that Clemens was a user.

  87. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:34 am

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  90. Giuseppe Franco August 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am

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    I guess Randy just has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.

  91. RhapsodyInBlue August 18th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    This is all BS Trisha no one had a clue any of this was going on until 2005 when Canseco released “Juiced” and even then the names he gave he was still taken to be a nut.

    And remember he did not mention Arod’s name in that book only later on after Arod confessed in 2009 and it became public that Arod had an affair with Canseco’s ex-wife did Canseco accuse Arod of juicing in Texas when Canseco and Arod played for the Rangers.

    And why Selena Robert’s book in 2009 revealing Arod to have failed the MLB 2003 test was so news worthy.

  92. sammiejohnson August 18th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    Giuseppe Franco August 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Wow…I don’t think I’ve ever seen Nick in SF so hostile.

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    As Shame would say, Nick is just not that punctual.

  93. Giuseppe Franco August 18th, 2013 at 12:48 am

    sammiejohnson August 18th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    Giuseppe Franco August 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    Wow…I don’t think I’ve ever seen Nick in SF so hostile.

    ________________________________________________

    It is not Nick. It is C R 9 impersonating Nick. Check out the period after his name. The real Nick doesn’t have one.

    As Shame would say, Nick is just not that punctual.

    ——–

    Ahhh…thanks. That figures. Didn’t read the name that closely.

    Sigh. More jackassery from the resident sociopath.

  94. Bronx Jeers August 18th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    Wow…I don’t think I’ve ever seen Nick in SF so hostile.

    I guess Randy just has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.

    ————

    That’s not Nick

  95. Bronx Jeers August 18th, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Oh sorry, didnt catch that exchange.

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  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 18th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    Rhapsody, I don’t believe a soul had a clue that Arod used until those reports started to circulate. He was thought to be the best player in the game and a totally natural talent, so there would be absoutely no reason for anyone to suspect him of using PEDs!

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 18th, 2013 at 12:56 am

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    :lol:

    That was pretty good!

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 18th, 2013 at 12:58 am

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    Oh well. Crazy is crazy.

    Night Rhapsody. No desire to hang out with crazy.

    :)

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  101. yankinvegas August 18th, 2013 at 1:01 am

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    If even a small % of what tacopina was saying is true, it could compromise our ability to obtain talent.
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  102. JobaTipsHisCap August 18th, 2013 at 1:31 am

    The media is so annoying. They are good at creating double standards.

  103. jacksquat August 18th, 2013 at 2:40 am

    People didn’t know about steroids in baseball until 2005? Lol. Try 80′s.

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  105. yanks61 August 18th, 2013 at 7:00 am

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    As for Arod, the *ancer just keeps spreading. I can’t stand Levine, but he’s right this time – put up or shut up. Arod’s “team” is going to try to drag everyone through the mud with them. Why doesn’t he sue? Why didn’t he file a grievance. Right now, he’s also putting the Giradi he supposedly loves to the flame, as well, with the latest accusation that they (the implication of course being Joe) knew he was hurt last year and didn’t do anything about it. It didn’t seem to stop him from blowing kisses and exchanging tel. numbers with female fans behind the dugout. You know, now, how he was in just such great pain.

    Meanwhile, Davidoff has nailed it in the Post this morning. It’s time to put your money where you’re mouth is and stop with the clowning. It’s really becoming a farce at this point.

  106. yanks61 August 18th, 2013 at 7:19 am

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    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....1wPkeOWOlN

  107. Doreen August 18th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Girardi said what I was thinking happened: that Alex was complaining bout his right hip, not the left, and that was the one they MRI’d last fall.

    No party to this looks particularly good.

    The entire mess has ruined this season for me.

  108. Gary August 18th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    The Alex Rodriguez circus took another turn on Saturday. The lawyer for the suspended Yankees third baseman accused the team of hiding an injury, essentially forcing Rodriguez to play while hurt during the 2012 playoffs, per a report from Steve Eder of the New York Times.

    ___________________________________________________________________________

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  109. Gary August 18th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    I would sit him

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock August 18th, 2013 at 8:10 am

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    Doreen – the season has rived my heart as well so it’s been three list years now on certain levels.

    One thing though that shines through the misery (tO paraphrase Dostoevski), unlike last season, is
    This stretch of
    Baseball that ironically has been particularly invigorating, exciting. I feel like we’re the Yankees again and inside those lines nothing can
    Touch us. I am completely invested in a ’95 type
    Finish at the
    Very least. The rest I postpone.

  111. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    “If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table.”

  112. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Alex’s bunch is pounding the table big time now….trying to deflect every way possible

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  114. Chip August 18th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    I understand Alex (through his representatives) wanting to lash out.

    Problem is he can’t even do that right.

    He accused the Yankees of medical malpractice – Yankees say, “son, if you want us to make your medical history public just waive your HIPPA rights and we’ll be happy to do so – ball’s in your court” except Alex can’t do that because that would make his PED use available as well. It was a major major blunder by Team Alex – reminds me of when Sammy Sosa was first questioned about PED use and said “I’ll take a test any time any where” and I think it was Verducci who said, “cool let’s go” and Sosa told him that the Union wouldn’t let him.

    And to not even have the stones to stand behind your mouthpiece – just weak.

  115. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Yanks have 40 games left ….you figure the minimum they’ll need to win is 90 to get that 2nd wild Card. (The As just have to play barely above .500 the rest of the way (21-19) to get to 90 wins……so the yanks need to go at least 27-13 the rest of the way to have a chance…..that’s a 110 win pace over a full season.

    Is it possible? Yea….would it be a lot easier if either the Rays or As tanked and played sub .500 ball the rest of the way…..yes much easier

  116. yanks61 August 18th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Doreen, it sickens me too, unlike any season I’ve ever witnessed. And I have to admit I was once one of Arod’s biggest supporters. Now, I wish they had never traded for him.

  117. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    If the As just play .500 the rest of the way then the Yanks would need 89 wins to tie them…… That’s still needing to go 26-14 (.650) which is a 105 win pace…..however you slice it the yanks are gonna have to play like a 100+ win team for the next 6 weeks…..can they do that ?

  118. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    I wish they had traded for Alex and then let him walk after 2007…..but no sense worrying Bout that now

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock August 18th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Blake – stranger
    Things have happened. With PosAda’s birthday passing yesterday I note we Re
    Still very unYankee like behind the plate. Stewie got that double yesterday but you sure miss PO in these Big Boston clashes. Even just in terms of frustrating matchups – forget about hits Nd OBP.

  120. bruceb August 18th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    So this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of the season and probably a large part of 2014? Fresh allegations and a new story to deny about Alex Rodriguez each and every day.

    Still, a few more losses like yesterday’s and it might be a welcome distraction…for some.

  121. Chip August 18th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    Question:

    Assuming he’s suspended for all of 2014; Alex will still have three years and over $60 mil left on his contract. Will the Yankees release him or will he come back and play?

  122. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    JAP,
    Yea anything can happen but they’ll have to pitch just lights out the rest of the way …..I figure they can lose at most 13 more times

  123. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Kershaw has a 1.80 era

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock August 18th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    When is Jete projected back? That would make a 95 type
    Bid seem more doable.

  125. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    the owners and managements all knew about the steroids in the games. the yankees as much as any team in baseball. they knew what they were getting in giambi, alex, and clemens. there was aculture of PED acceptance with the yankees just like the rangers and many other teams. not everyone took part , but it was there. there’s no escaping the facts.

    i worked out with players in florida all during the 90′s and trust me everyone knew about steroids in the game. each player had to make their own decision about them.

    this is not an alex problem. it’s also a yankee problem. you atke alex away and the yankees still had a steroid /PED problem.

    is it a mess . sure.
    just another reason to blow it up and start over. just don’t do it with the same guys who were part of the problem in the first place.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock August 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Blake – We blew a
    Big opportunity yesterday. Lackey Shouldn’t shut this lineup down we should have taken AdvNtage of the three BBs but never got untracked after the blown DP. We need C Nd offense both to show up tonight. Boston is just not that good and ironically our best chance is us cruising and them tanking.

  127. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    I’m sure this is why MLB wanted Alex to take a deal and pushed for it…..and also why they threatened to use that best interest clause to keep Alex off the field during the appeal…..they knew the mud woukd be a slinging.

    Alex has hired really good and aggressive lawyers and given them the difficult task of defending a guilty man….,they can just say he’s innocent so the result is going to be lots of mud slinging….attempts to deflect the attention off their clients actual case and on to other things……

    It’s going to get messier most likely

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 18th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    “just another reason to blow it up and start over. just don’t do it with the same guys who were part of the problem in the first place.”

    So that would include the Boss if he were still alive? And Stick Michael?

  129. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    JAP,
    I can’t stand Lackey but he’s pitched better this year…..this offense still isn’t much good…..they had a hit week basically built around an insane hit streak by Sori……it’s likely that they’ll regress somewhere back closer to what they’ve been all season….maybe a little better…..but not good enough to play .650 ball the rest of the way if they don’t pitch really really well

  130. pat August 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    “……..except Alex can’t do that because that would make his PED use available as well.”

    Unless you believe Yankee doctors prescribed him PED, what PED use would there be in medical records the Yankees would have?

    This stopped being about redemption and baseball last fall. This is all about being one up now.

    They can bench him but that plays into his “they care about discrediting me more than winning”narrative. They can continue to run him out there everyday and volley serves with him in the press which seems to annoy everyone except Alex. They could suspend him but that plays into the “they are looking to not pay my salary” narrative. The easiest way to prove Alex wrong is DFA him and pay him which is the solution the Yankees are best trying to avoid.

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock August 18th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Randy – good biker story.
    If steroid use wasn’t pervasive then Gms wouldn’t be quoted as saying “we have. Serious problem” , 13 guys wouldn’t have evaded detection through testing only to be outed by a newspaper and if the Yankees were worried about. Wong
    Pristine they would not have welcomed Randy Ruiz and F-Mart into their system. It’s cOmicAl how
    Seemingly intelligent people play the
    Morality game around here to suit their affections. Me – I’m in Al Davis mode until I can’t be: just win, baby.

  132. MTU August 18th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Chip-

    I think they’ll try to cut a deal with him and then release him.

    If they have to they might even pay the full amount to make the problem go away.

    Purely a guess though.

  133. blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    “The easiest way to prove Alex wrong is DFA him and pay him which is the solution the Yankees are best trying to avoid”

    I think the problem with that is it makes the team worse and they are fighting for their lives right now…..it’s a tough and very weird situation .

    I don’t think there is much the yanks can do right now but wait……let the process play out ….and cut ties with him this winter after the suspension has been announced

  134. austinmac August 18th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    None of this helps AROD with his impending suspension. The only reason I can see to bring this up, since it seems unrelated to PED use and a coverup, is to threaten the team with embarrassment if they try to revoke his contract. It wouldn’t surprise me if Levine did or said some stupid things since he strikes me as an aggressive sort of guy.

    This will end bad for AROD, without a doubt. Let’s hope the Yankees are not implicated is wrongful behavior.

  135. J. Alfred Prufrock August 18th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Blake – yea without pitching well it’s a moot point , no question.

  136. Chip August 18th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    blake August 18th, 2013 at 8:40 am
    I’m sure this is why MLB wanted Alex to take a deal and pushed for it…..and also why they threatened to use that best interest clause to keep Alex off the field during the appeal…..they knew the mud woukd be a slinging.

    Alex has hired really good and aggressive lawyers and given them the difficult task of defending a guilty man….,they can just say he’s innocent so the result is going to be lots of mud slinging….attempts to deflect the attention off their clients actual case and on to other things……

    It’s going to get messier most likely
    —————————

    Totally agree – this is why MLB gave everyone (including Alex) every chance to make a deal. MLB wanted this done and clean before the playoff push and postseason started.

  137. Doreen August 18th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Randy,

    It’s a baseball problem, not just a Yankees problem.

    There’s a tacit acceptance, but an unspoken agreement I believe that players be discreet and careful not to get caught. It’s a system that benefitted all parties. Players got rewarded with mega contracts, teams got rewarded with higher attendance and viewership to equal more money and MLB the same. The MLBPA also went along with the arrangement., because due to the flushness of teams, even average and below average players could make money they never dreamed of.

    My whole thing about what’s going on with Alex is that it is all the height of hypocrisy. MLB seems to fight its hardest against unpopular yet highly successful players in order to make a statement. Everyone missed the boat when neither the MLBPA nor MLB was ggressive to purge PEDs right from the point when it became obvious hie pervasive it was.

    However, Alex did not hold up his end of the bargain. Every time his name has come up over the years, I felt he had the support of the Yankees. I think two things happened. The Yankees finally got fed up, but more importantly, they no longer believed ARod could overcome his physical limitations be be productive. And they don’t want to have to pay him anymore.

    Tough luck on that. They had an opportunity to walk away from him and instead signed him up again. So I don’t feel sorry for the Yankees. However I do not think ANYONE thought Alex was taking PEDs at that time. I just don’t. People wanted to like and trust Alex. I think they knew that PEDs were widespread, but I think most people had their lists of who might and who might not be involved.

  138. randy l. August 18th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “It’s a baseball problem, not just a Yankees problem.”

    doreen -

    absolutely

    hal and hank ans cashman are part of baseball and part of the problem. it’s not just an alex problem or just any other player.

    this is an ugly situation because once people go to opposite sides they start blaming each other and protecting themselves.

    even on the blog it doesn’t bring out the best in us talking about it. it polarizes people, and the conversation deteriorates from baseball to negative topics way too fast.

    this will be over at some point, but not before everyone involved has their share of mud all over them.

  139. yankinvegas August 18th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Once the process plays out, and the Yanks recover substantial $$ on 2014 salary, they will have to DFA him and eat the 61 million.
    It’s a shame. One of the greatest players ever, the best player that I ever saw, and he is disgraced.
    And Ortiz plays on.

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