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Rodriguez addresses latest accusations

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In the glow of last night’s come-from-behind win, Alex Rodriguez stood in front of his locker and answered questions about inside fastballs and redemption home runs. And when that was over — to his credit — Rodriguez stuck around to address his lawyer’s latest allegations of mistreatment.

Rodriguez acknowledged that he has begun the process of filing a grievance against the Yankees, and he didn’t deny anything that his lawyer said in Saturday’s New York Times story.

Here are most of Rodriguez’s responses. The questions were kind of coming in bits and pieces, so I’m generally listing the topic that he was addressing at the time of each statement.

Agree with Joseph Tacopina’s comments to the New York Times?
“He’s my lawyer, so yeah. I think at the end of the day we have to let this process play out. I think there’s a temptation with the leaks and this and that and he said and she said. I want to reserve the right to have an arbitration. We do have a collective bargaining agreement. I just want everybody to take it easy. When the offseason comes we’re going to have an arbitration. This is not reality TV. We’re going to get in front of Fred (the arbitrator). We’re going to put our best foot forward. So are they. And that end of the day we’re going to live with the decision.”

There was one particular allegation that Dr. Bryan Kelly told Rodriguez that Randy Levine never wanted him to play again
“I’m going to reserve comment. I did have a conversation with Dr. Kelly.”

The biggest accusation seemed to be that the Yankees hid MRI results
“I found out about 10 to 12 days later, after Detroit (in the ALCS) that I had a big hole in my left hip. Dr. Philippon said I needed to have immediate surgery. So that’s that. … The MRI is the MRI. I had a big hole in my left labrum. I’m just telling you what the doctors were saying.”

But the surgery didn’t happen until months later
“That was the plan. At some point, I think everybody will talk. Everybody has to have a little patience. I think Kelly will talk when the time is right. I think Philippon will talk when the time is right. I’m sure Bosch will talk when the time is right.”

The lawyer said Rodriguez was rolled out like and invalid, but Rodriguez says he fought to play
“Always. The question wasn’t whether I wanted to play; I’m always going to want to play, even if I’m on crutches. But science is science. If there was a torn labrum MRI (Rodriguez didn’t finish this thought, but it’s clear where he was going with it). … I’m not disputing Cashman. I’m not disputing anybody. I’m just letting you know what Philippon told me. Two months later, I had surgery.”

There is a sense that all of this is simply avoiding the question of PEDs
“I think we all signed to an agreement. This is America and we do have an opportunity to protect ourselves. I’ve chosen to take that route. I think we all have to respect that process.”

Can Rodriguez and the Yankees coexist at this point?
“I think so. We all have the same goal. The goal is to win. I’m feeling healthy, I think I can be very productive. I feel much different than I did last October; I was pretty embarrassing last October. I feel like my health is coming. I’m working hard on my conditioning to be able to play every day. I’m better today than I was two weeks ago and hopefully I’ll be better in six months and a year from now. … Look, I love this team, I love the fans of New York City. This is a very complicated situation but we’re doing the best we can.”

Has power returned because of the offseason hip surgery?
“Even in this series, I hit probably five, six or seven balls on the barrel above 94 or 95 that I didn’t have a prayer last year. Literally any right-handed pitcher that threw the ball above the belt over 90, I was a dead out. I just had no power. Philippon explains it that you just have no torque.”

 
 

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156 Responses to “Rodriguez addresses latest accusations”

  1. MG August 19th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 8:54 am
    “I think we can agree to disagree (at least I hope so) and see if the Yankees can add 2013 to Yankee lore alongside years like 1978 and 1964 as well as the ALCS of 2003.”

    mg-

    absolutely.
    ————————-
    Good, glad to read that.

    I’ll never be a real Arod fan for a variety of reasons (including watching him ‘ole a hot shot while playing for Seattle against the A’s that allowed the A’s to clinch the AL West, a play Jeter would never have given up on) and think he’s not only guilty of PED use but also of at least some of the obstruction charges last night’s bomb showed he has some guts.

    He’s entitled to play during the appeal, he may as well help the team.

    If his presence is helping guys like Cano, Grandy and Soriano that’s fine by me as well.

    Cano has really turned his season around and the presence of all 3 guys (plus now Reynolds) is not only helping him not try to hit everything out but also keeping the other teams from putting lefties on the mound without worrying about getting hurt.

    I don’t know if the Yankees make the playoffs but I will be really surprised if they don’t go on a pretty good run here, the comeback 2X last night showed they are playing with an intensity and confidence that hasn’t been seen since April.

  2. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Good morning.

    “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”

    “Politics sometimes makes for strange bedfellows.”

    Congrats A-Rod. Outstanding way to flip all the right people the bird.

    And thank you Dumpster for being stupid enough to unite the Team and light a bonfire under them.

    ;)

  3. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    A few things:

    1. The biggest thing for me isn’t that Dempster hit Alex; it’s that Dempster is so awful he couldn’t do it on the first pitch. He needed four pitches to hit a stationary target.

    2. I love MLB. For those who missed it, Alex’s lawyer, the one who has been saying he would “love” to talk in depth about all these charges if MLB would waive the confidentiality clause of the JDA, was on Today this morning with Matt Lauer. He made that statement again and Lauer said, “Well it just so happens that this morning MLB sent over this letter saying that they would be happy to waive confidentiality if you sign this letter and then both sides can put their cards on the table.” Tacopina looked like he just ate a poop sandwich when he realized his plan backfired terribly right there.

    3. I’m not a fan of Alex, but he responded the perfect way.

    4. If the game had been out of hand one way or the other I would have been fine with Joba coming in and leveling Pedroia. I mean, Joba getting suspended wouldn’t really be a bad thing for the Yankees at this point, but since the game was tight the team did the right thing. There will be other chances.

    5. Lost in all the Alex nonsense:
    CC had another brutal outing (right now I’m more worried about his contract than Alex’s)
    Nunez was just starting to play well and got hurt which means more Jayson Nix
    The pen was outstanding. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more dominant sequence by Boone Logan than the one against Ortiz.

  4. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Off topic.

    Just to start the day off in a happy mood here are a few photos from the Native American PoW WoW I attended Sat. at Pipe Springs.

    The Native Americans shown are members of the Kaibab branch of the Southern Paiute.

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109721757058432487394/albums/5913604954641237057?authkey=CMvn8rPPj-qHsgE

    Enjoy.

    :)

  5. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Chip-

    To put it bluntly. CC stunk.

    I thought he should have been pulled early.

  6. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    MTU – he’s been brutal this season. I’m terrified that this is the tip of the iceberg.

  7. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Chip-

    He is having trouble locating most of his 2ndary stuff.

    Thus he’s left with mainly the FB and slider.

    Not enough.

    I believe he figure it out eventually.

    May need to add or subtract pitches and change his style.

  8. Madrugador August 19th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    CC needs to learn how to pitch with less velocity than he once had. It can be done. Whether CC will learn this remains to be seen.
    To me it looks like he is afraid to throw the ball over the plate because he no longer trusts his stuff.

  9. Yankee Trader August 19th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Good morning

    Can’t stay long.

    Rodriguez’s confirmation of a grievance came after his attorney, Joe Tacopina, told The New York Times that he believed the Yankees concealed MRI results and knowingly played Rodriguez during the postseason with a torn left hip labrum during the American League Division Series and AL Championship Series.

    “I was pretty bad, you have to admit,” Rodriguez said.

    Regarding Rodriguez’s claims of playing injured during the postseason, manager Joe Girardi has said that he did not know Rodriguez was injured until the slugger himself mentioned a problem with his hip during Game 3 of the ALDS.

    This is such BS. Nothing coming out of ARod’s mouth regarding the handling of the MRI and the immediate need for surgery makes any sense.

    The arbitration hearing can’t come soon enough!

  10. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Chip, when you can’t locate the fastball you will never be a successful pitcher even if it’s a mediocre one to set up another pitch.

    It’s the same in batting, if you can’t hit the heater you will never be successful.

    Two simple maxims of the game.

  11. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Trader –

    What really hurts Alex’s case is that there are about a million quotes from last October talking about how he feels great and nothing’s bothering him. So how are the Yankees at fault for not providing medical treatment for an injury they didn’t know existed.

  12. Yankee Trader August 19th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Hopefully Joe’s storming out of the bullpen with those bulging jugulars in defense of his player, will have a carry over effect, and get the Yankees into the playoffs.

    It’s about time Girardi got thrown out of a game! :)

  13. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Chip-

    He is having trouble locating most of his 2ndary stuff.

    Thus he’s left with mainly the FB and slider.

    Not enough.

    I believe he figure it out eventually.

    May need to add or subtract pitches and change his style.
    ———————-

    He needs to talk to a pitcher who has gone through this and learn how to adjust to living at 92 rather than 96.

  14. pat August 19th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    commonsense

    if what the lawyer is saying is true……. how many players have injuries requiring surgery and are not told about them by the team?

  15. Doreen August 19th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    If Philipon told him this back in the fall of 2012, why didn’t ARod file a grievance then?

  16. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Yanks August 19, 2013
    *****************************************************
    0.) Boston Has 22 Tough Games (53 Losses)
    NYY-7; Balt-9; TB-3; LAD-3
    *****************************************************
    DIVISION LEADER
    *****************************************************
    0.) Texas Has 16 Tough Games (53 Losses)
    Oak-6; KC-3; TB-4; Pitt-3
    *****************************************************
    DIVISION LEADER
    *****************************************************
    1.) Tampa Has 24 Tough Games (52 Losses)
    Boston-3; Balt-7; NYY-6; Tex-4; KC-1; OAK-3
    *****************************************************
    1.) Oak Has 13 Tough Games (53 Losses)
    Balt-3; Det-4; Texas-6
    *****************************************************
    WILDCARD LEADERS
    *****************************************************
    2.) Balt Has 29 Tough Games (56 Losses)
    TB-7; NYY-7; Cleve-3; Oak-3; Boston-9
    *****************************************************
    3.) Cleve Has 15 Tough Games (58 Losses)
    Balt-3; Det-3; KC-6; ATL-3
    *****************************************************
    4.) Yankees Has 20 Tough Games (59 Losses)
    Boston-7; Balt-7; TB-6
    *****************************************************
    5.) KC Has 16 Tough Games (59 Losses)
    Det-6; Tex-3; TB-1; Cleve-6
    *****************************************************

  17. Yankee Trader August 19th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Chip

    Good point.

    I have to go.

    5 for 21 with RISP. Is that a Yankee record? Game should have been a blowout, but I’ll take it.

    Have a great day.

  18. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    YT-

    I would have expected no less from a Manager.

    It was obvious and blatant what Dumpster was doing.

    IMO the Umpire was wrong to warn both benches.

    Dumpster should have been thrown out right then and there.

    Plain and simple.

    Anyway his presence just served to galvanize the Yankees. So there’s that.

  19. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I dont know which part of last night was most ridiculous.

    1. Dumpster not getting warned after the first pitch.
    2. Dumpster not getting ejected
    3. Yankees not being allowed to retaliate
    4. 3 Yankees beaned after the warning and no ejection.

    I thought Girardi had his best night of his career last night.

  20. pat August 19th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    “So how are the Yankees at fault for not providing medical treatment for an injury they didn’t know existed.”

    The claim is the Yankees knew the injury existed or should have because the hip labrum tear is seen on the MRI Ahmad took during the Baltimore series.

  21. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Ac-

    Points well taken.

    agree with all.

  22. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    2. I love MLB. For those who missed it, Alex’s lawyer, the one who has been saying he would “love” to talk in depth about all these charges if MLB would waive the confidentiality clause of the JDA, was on Today this morning with Matt Lauer. He made that statement again and Lauer said, “Well it just so happens that this morning MLB sent over this letter saying that they would be happy to waive confidentiality if you sign this letter and then both sides can put their cards on the table.” Tacopina looked like he just ate a poop sandwich when he realized his plan backfired terribly right there.
    ___

    His lawyer walked right into that one.

  23. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    I dont know which part of last night was most ridiculous.

    1. Dumpster not getting warned after the first pitch.
    2. Dumpster not getting ejected
    3. Yankees not being allowed to retaliate
    4. 3 Yankees beaned after the warning and no ejection.

    I thought Girardi had his best night of his career last night.
    —————-

    I’ll go with 5…that a Major League pitcher needed 4 pitches to hit a stationary target.

  24. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    2. I love MLB. For those who missed it, Alex’s lawyer, the one who has been saying he would “love” to talk in depth about all these charges if MLB would waive the confidentiality clause of the JDA, was on Today this morning with Matt Lauer. He made that statement again and Lauer said, “Well it just so happens that this morning MLB sent over this letter saying that they would be happy to waive confidentiality if you sign this letter and then both sides can put their cards on the table.” Tacopina looked like he just ate a poop sandwich when he realized his plan backfired terribly right there.
    ___

    His lawyer walked right into that one.
    ——————-

    He absolutely did. MLB and the Yankees (who have also said they would open up their records of Alex’s medical history if he would authorize them to) aren’t afraid of this fight. The first thing they teach you in law school is to never ask a question you don’t know the answer to – and that’s what he did. Tacopina challenged two businesses that would be more than happy to put everything about Alex on display.

  25. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Last night’s great Yankee win has now left a burning ember of hope for PS play.

    W/o it the fire would have been extinguished.

  26. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Yanks will have their chance to catch up….

    They get 10 vs Toronto and 3 vs. Chicago (who they wont let sweep them again), final 3 vs. Houston.

    Plus games vs tampa, baltimore and boston.

    We can catch up.

  27. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    He absolutely did. MLB and the Yankees (who have also said they would open up their records of Alex’s medical history if he would authorize them to) aren’t afraid of this fight. The first thing they teach you in law school is to never ask a question you don’t know the answer to – and that’s what he did. Tacopina challenged two businesses that would be more than happy to put everything about Alex on display.
    ___

    No way Alex opens his medical records to scrutiny regarding steroids….

  28. MTU August 19th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Time to walk the Mops.

    Later.

  29. Doreen August 19th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    pat, Is it possible they were so concentrated on the right hip that they did e look at the left? I’m assuming the MRI showed both hips. Could they have taken the MRI, enlarged the results for the right hip and not looked elsewhere because the player was complaining about the right hip?

    This will be a question for those responsible for reading the MRI, and whether they reported to the Yankees that they saw injury to the left hip and the Yankees ignored it.

    I have no difficulty believing the Yankees would try hard to void this contract after Biogenesis stuff came out. I have no problem believing that the Yankees encouraged MLB to push for a lifetime ban or a long suspension. I do have difficulty believing they put the organization itself on the line with this type of action. It would also mean they kept it from Girardi.

  30. pat August 19th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Doreen

    Good question. Accepting there will be no “kumbaya” happening would seem logical but logic seems absent from all sides lately.

  31. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    pat August 19th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    “So how are the Yankees at fault for not providing medical treatment for an injury they didn’t know existed.”

    The claim is the Yankees knew the injury existed or should have because the hip labrum tear is seen on the MRI Ahmad took during the Baltimore series.
    —————–

    But the MRI they took of Alex was of the other hip

  32. Doreen August 19th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    That they did NOt look at the left? Sorry for the typos. iPad.

  33. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    He absolutely did. MLB and the Yankees (who have also said they would open up their records of Alex’s medical history if he would authorize them to) aren’t afraid of this fight. The first thing they teach you in law school is to never ask a question you don’t know the answer to – and that’s what he did. Tacopina challenged two businesses that would be more than happy to put everything about Alex on display.
    ___

    No way Alex opens his medical records to scrutiny regarding steroids….
    —————-

    Of course not – so now Alex comes off as the guy who starts stuff and then when he realizes he’s about to get his butt kicked hides behinds his friends shouting “hold me back fellas, hold me back”

  34. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I have no difficulty believing the Yankees would try hard to void this contract after Biogenesis stuff came out. I have no problem believing that the Yankees encouraged MLB to push for a lifetime ban or a long suspension. I do have difficulty believing they put the organization itself on the line with this type of action. It would also mean they kept it from Girardi.
    ___

    We too. This would imply embarrassing Arod was more important than beating Detroit.

  35. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Do I think the Yankees would try to void the contract? Absolutely.

    Do I think that the Yankees were hoping Alex would be forced to medically retire? Absolutely.

    Do I think that the Yankees, Dr. Kelly all the trainers and team doctors would open themselves up to lawsuits, charges of medical malpractice and several other things by concealing a medical condition? No friggin way. Not worth the risk.

  36. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    that should be ‘me’ too.
    monday morning after a late game with lots of excitement.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    “According to an ESPN report Sunday night, Rodriguez paid a $25,000 retainer to Bosch’s attorney and later made a wire transfer for nearly $50,000 that Bosch’s attorney refused to accept.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2cQ1W5Zkj

    Well I guess that answers the question as to whether or not Bosch was making this stuff up, as well as whether or not Arod tried to impede the investigation.

    *************

    1. While there seems to be unbridled joy and a unanimity of enthusiasm here, with several people high-fiving themselves for being (in their own perception) brilliant prognosticators, it doesn’t remove the fact that those who declare themselves straight-out Arod supporters are acknowledging they straight-faced root for cheaters. Pat yourselves on the back for that.

    2. There was probably cheering heard round the world when Dempster hit Arod by players and fans alike. Dempster probably spoke for a lot of people with that action.

    3. Stunning that his teammates supported Arod. :roll:

    4. Girardi is an amazing human being, but that’s nothing new. He has always had his players’ backs.

    5. Girardi is right, of course, that even though he might not agree with things, the process is the process. Arod has the right to be playing.

    6. I still have the right not to root for him.

    7. It was a great YANKEE win – not an Arod win, a Yankee win.

    8. Happy to hear Arod has faith in God. I wonder if that’s a new chapter in his life or did he just conveniently tuck it away when he decided to cheat again.

    9. I don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth and think he is a fraud, head to toe.

    10. I’m wondering how long it takes for the effects of steroids to wear off. If you don’t take them every day, do you suddenly lose that edge they give you? Or does it take months to wear off? Maybe we’ll get some idea according to Arod’s level of play.

    11. I realized last night, after watching replays, that it’s easy to say I’d like to see Arod get hurt; however, it bothered me to see that whole thing play out. I have to retract that, not because of anything said here but because that’s the reality. As much as I despise everything he stands for and wish he wasn’t in the game, I don’t want to see any physical harm come to him.

    12. I agree with MG that it’s the event, and not the guy, that defined last night’s victory.

  38. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Chip, it isn’t just the risk.
    If this were true it would imply the Yankees didn’t care about beating Detroit and I seriously doubt they put embarrassing ARod over winning a championship.

  39. Doreen August 19th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    ac1,

    It would also mean they didn’t cover their tracks. Which would be foolish. And it woud mean they put disabling, embarrassing a payer ahead of the entire future of the organization.

    If the allegations end up being true, there are repercussions that will haunt the organization for a long time. Forget the 189. Who would want to sign up anyway?

  40. blake August 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    That’s the maddest I’ve ever seen Girardi…. Don’t know how much of it was real and how much show but it certainly seemed to spark the club.

    No matter what you think of Alex….one thing is hard to ignore….he looks the best physically at the plate that he has in awhile…..I haven’t seem him drive a ball to CF like that in a long time

  41. blake August 19th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    And yes Alex did respond the proper way to typical Red Sox lack of class….

  42. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Trisha brings up another interesting point – Tapocina was saying how Bosch lacked credibility because MLB was paying his bills – to which Lauer responded…”um…here’s this thing from Bosch’s lawyers saying for a while Alex was paying their fees.”

    What a dumb lawyer.

  43. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    That’s the maddest I’ve ever seen Girardi…. Don’t know how much of it was real and how much show but it certainly seemed to spark the club.
    ___

    I think it was 100% real.
    Joe is a company guy but this mess has to be wearing on him.
    So does losing.
    And watching your team be a punching bag.
    He left the field saying someone was getting plunked and he was right. 3 more yankees and no ejections. I bet he was even more angry as that went on.

  44. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    blake August 19th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    And yes Alex did respond the proper way to typical Red Sox lack of class….
    ——————-

    If it were me I might have taken so much time rounding the bases that I was just now getting to 3b.

  45. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    I don’t agree with a lot of Girardi’s managerial decisions but out of this entire mess he has handled things the absolute right way. He’s letting the front office and Alex fight and he’s focused on winning games and whether we as fans like Alex or not, what’s undeniable is that the Yankees on the field area better team right now with him in the lineup.

    His presence makes Cano and Soriano better hitters and so yeah, when Dempster tried to injure him I think Girardi was legitimately livid.

  46. MG August 19th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    blake August 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am
    That’s the maddest I’ve ever seen Girardi…. Don’t know how much of it was real and how much show but it certainly seemed to spark the club.

    No matter what you think of Alex….one thing is hard to ignore….he looks the best physically at the plate that he has in awhile…..I haven’t seem him drive a ball to CF like that in a long time
    ————————-
    blake, I agree 100% on both points.

    Girardi threw some F-bombs at both the ump and Dempster and called Dempster a p***y, that is way outside of his normal use of language but refreshing to see-he sort of resembled Billy Martin and/or Earl Weaver in that whole sequence (not that I was a Billy Martin fan).

  47. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    If it were me I might have taken so much time rounding the bases that I was just now getting to 3b.
    ___

    Loved the Ortiz pose once he touched home…..

  48. JT August 19th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    The league has allowed this whole thing to become a circus.

  49. blake August 19th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Dumpster should stick to Harey Carey impressions…..MLB enforcer he is not

  50. blake August 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    I think Joe was really mad….but it was more about Dempster not getting tossed and te yanks getting warned than it was about Alex IMO

  51. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Also really embarrassing for sox fans to chear about steroids and cheaters while 100% supporting ortiz now and manny and ortiz all those years before….

    They have no credibility on the matter and most can’t even spell their stupid signs correctly.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    “That’s the maddest I’ve ever seen Girardi…. Don’t know how much of it was real and how much show but it certainly seemed to spark the club.”

    blake – I believe every ounce of it was real. Girardi said he had been hearing talk about Arod getting hit, and then to see four purpose pitches in a row, etc. etc. He also talked about the possibility of players getting hurt when they’re hit by pitches. Joe is a very moral guy. Very moral. I believe that what you see is what you get with him. He isn’t afraid to show emotion. I watched the postgame interview on YES and you could see he was still upset. He didn’t retract a word.

  53. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    In the world of big business many things are hard to understand. What seems logical ooften isn’t what is done.

    I worked with a team of upper management on a contract. A CFO for a company that supplied basically a $1B/year of business was having a temporary short-term cash flow issue & asked my company for a 15% cut in expenses for 1 quarter. Our management team agreed to it to his face. As soon as the CFO left the room the management team huddled together & came up with a strategy. Our contract allowed for a 1-time 20% increase in rates so they implemented that 20% increase & then took a 15% cut or a net of approximately 5% increase.

    The CFO was so angry when he found out what happened that he took almost all of the $1B/year of business away from our company.

    What I’m trying to say is they care less about you & me or their players so to speak and all about how smart they are and how things affect their bottom line, not ours!

    This is just one small example in a line of similar ones. It is so frequent, that I expect it is taught!

  54. ac1 August 19th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    *Cheer….

    Ugh

  55. pat August 19th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    But the MRI they took of Alex was of the other hip

    Must have been of both hips if what Tacopina is alleging is true. Here’s the link to him on ESPN this morning.

    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9580862

  56. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Girardi is awesome….I’ve always liked him ….good baseball guy….good person…..he’s not the problem and they should extend him IMO…..he should be in the running for manager of the year to be honest.

    I’ve said that all year ….they won’t find a better manager available of they get rid of him

  57. jacksquat August 19th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    It’s not just Arod, it’s Arod + Soriano + Granderson + even Reynolds. You can’t have just one guy in the lineup who is a very good hitter and/or a real threat to hit the ball out.

    The team backing Arod, on the field at least, was really good to see though. Good to see some fire on a team that looked lifeless for much of the year.

    And while I think Arod probably continued to take PEDs and should (and will) be punished, I also think MLB and the Yankees have also acted badly and I am enjoying Arod playing and helping the team win, something MLB and the Yankees didn’t seem to want.

    This team needed a little “zoo” and “evil empire”.

  58. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Also really embarrassing for sox fans to chear about steroids and cheaters while 100% supporting ortiz now and manny and ortiz all those years before….”

    Bunch of losers

  59. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    “Also really embarrassing for sox fans to chear about steroids and cheaters while 100% supporting ortiz now and manny and ortiz all those years before….”

    Here’s the problem with that ac1. They didn’t know Manny was using when they supported him, and Ortiz has never been charged, nor has he ever admitted. So they have total deniability. In addition, Arod gave them further ammunition when he danced around the subject of the 2003 list, back when he admitted in 2009. He said MLB told him his name was on the list and it might have meant that they found something and it also could have meant that they didn’t. (duh). So Ortiz supporters can run with that, if you know what I’m saying. Arod’s constant BS just ends up getting him in deeper and deeper.

  60. JT August 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    The league could have offered A-Rod a penalty similar to Braun’s and been done with it. Instead, they opened themselves (and the Yankees) up to a “nobody’s hands are clean here” morality play.

    There is a ton of hypocrisy going on here in all corners–and everybody knows it.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    “Girardi is awesome….I’ve always liked him ….good baseball guy….good person…..he’s not the problem and they should extend him IMO…..he should be in the running for manager of the year to be honest.”

    Couldn’t agree more.

  62. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “The league could have offered A-Rod a penalty similar to Braun’s and been done with it. Instead, they opened themselves (and the Yankees) up to a “nobody’s hands are clean here” morality play.”

    Well that would have been too easy and made way too much sense for MLB to do it

  63. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Sometimes we forget that MLB is just a game that makes a lot of money. People are real & they are more important than money. Whether ARod used PEDs or not or if 60% of the league did or not, it doesn’t matter. First whatever ARod did, there is no federal investigation of him. Wonder why?

    Second, we already know that Cashman is a liar & a cheat because that was proven in court. Levine the same in NYC court. Hmmm! So Cash & Levine are proven liars so how do we decide the truth. Yes ARod admitted to using PEDs before.

    When institutions become god then we need to be concerned. The Yankees are bigger than Cash, Levine or ARod. But as trisha often says, Karma is a B!!!!!

    Usually when the management ranks are rotten, the head is as well. I’m sorry to say that I believe that to be true. The one that George chose was not any of them, but then he fell from grace with his Stein wife! (But Cash does the same thing & stays!)

  64. Tar August 19th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “pat, Is it possible they were so concentrated on the right hip that they did e look at the left? I’m assuming the MRI showed both hips.”

    Obviously I’m not a Doctor, but I had an MRI done on my ankle. After the MRI, a “work” Doctor said nothing was wrong, but it never got better.

    6 months later I went to a real Doctor and in ten seconds he told me that I had a torn tendon. I was angry to say the least. He did go on to say that The MRI I had done was a little low on my ankle, so my tear wasn’t apparent. He did make me go take a second MRI which confirmed his diagnosis.

    So what I am getting at is it’s both possible that Alex’s MRI showed a tear and the Yankees didn’t know about it. But at this point, if i’m Alex’s Lawyer and there was a tear on an MRI, I am screaming foul.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    “The league could have offered A-Rod a penalty similar to Braun’s and been done with it. Instead, they opened themselves (and the Yankees) up to a “nobody’s hands are clean here” morality play. ”

    Maybe if they found that Braun had sent money to Bosch, they would have. You can’t expect similar penalties unless you’re dealing with similar circumstances.

    I’m giving MLB AND the Yankees the benefit of the doubt here and will unless and until there ends up being hard evidence showing otherwise. We all know Arod is a cheat, and now we know he tried to obstruct the investigation.

    Tacopina is a hired gun. He’s already thrown out things that have been shown to be spurios.

    Everything is a guess until the hearing actually happens. Expect a lot of accusations in the meantime.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    “First whatever ARod did, there is no federal investigation of him. Wonder why?”

    Nothing says that isn’t coming.

    By the way, the Yankees front office doesn’t read MRIs, their doctors do. Can you connect the dots here if there was indeed something that wasn’t picked up?

  67. Tar August 19th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    “it doesn’t remove the fact that those who declare themselves straight-out Arod supporters are acknowledging they straight-faced root for cheaters. ”

    it also doesn’t remove the fact that every baseball game for at least the last 20 years has had ‘cheaters”.

    But you conveniently ignored all the warning signs and will say I have no “proof”. Ignorance is bliss!

  68. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    What may happen with all of this is the Federal government getting involved against the owners. A commissioner who represents the owners & owners who require a player to only use a team Doctor & who can fine a player for using anopther Doctor is incredibly stupid & god mongering.

    Now we know why ARod used that Doctor incident & now we know that the Yanks FO is truly stupid & angry! ARod is playing them like a fiddle & the Yanks think they are beyond the law. So does Bud-lite.

    This could end up affecting MLB in a similar way that Curt Flood affected them. IMO, they deserve it.

  69. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “Second, we already know that Cashman is a liar & a cheat because that was proven in court. Levine the same in NYC court”

    Please enumerate, only because I truly don’t know what you’re referring to. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just that I don’t know about it.

  70. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    JT August 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    The league could have offered A-Rod a penalty similar to Braun’s and been done with it. Instead, they opened themselves (and the Yankees) up to a “nobody’s hands are clean here” morality play.

    There is a ton of hypocrisy going on here in all corners–and everybody knows it.
    ———————

    According to Ken Rosenthal they did and he turned it down.

  71. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I think MLB is just as slimy as Arod

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    “But you conveniently ignored all the warning signs and will say I have no “proof”. Ignorance is bliss!”

    I ignored nothing. I didn’t have a clue anything was going on. And yes, you have no proof.

  73. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    And I don’t “conveniently ignore.” There’s nothing contrived about me.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    “I think MLB is just as slimy as Arod”

    blake – it’s no secret that I loathe MLB. But until all of the facts come out in this case, I cannot find them “slimy” for doing the job they publicly told Congress they’d do if something came to their attention – which Bosch did. It isn’t like they went looking for it.

  75. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Tricia, excellent logical posts re: the Aroid nonsense. Logic with some of these posts does not play well with conspiracy theorists who abound!

    Blake, so your latest “theory” is, “baseball should have given Arod a lesser suspension but at the end of the day ,it made too much sense for them”?

    Excellent reasoning with respect to the punishment fitting the crime in your opinion? (s)

    Baseball like every pro sport has already been judged by most observers as having looked the other way so that’s no news.

    The only “morality play” running on Broadway right now is on blogs with comments rationalizing the issue!

  76. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    What may happen with all of this is the Federal government getting involved against the owners. A commissioner who represents the owners & owners who require a player to only use a team Doctor & who can fine a player for using anopther Doctor is incredibly stupid & god mongering.

    Now we know why ARod used that Doctor incident & now we know that the Yanks FO is truly stupid & angry! ARod is playing them like a fiddle & the Yanks think they are beyond the law. So does Bud-lite.

    This could end up affecting MLB in a similar way that Curt Flood affected them. IMO, they deserve it.
    ———————-

    MLB doesn’t require players to use team doctors. They only require that a player inform the team if he’s going to use an outside physician. The first time he had hip surgery Alex used Mark Phillipon (not affiliated with the Yankees) instead of Brian Kelly who is. The reason the Yankees requested Alex use Kelly for the second operation was because Phillipon had sent Alex to Anthony Galea as part of his rehab and Galea was later found to be a steroid pusher so the Yankees didn’t want him hooked up with him again.

    They Yankees were, in fact, trying to protect Alex.

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    “A commissioner who represents the owners & owners who require a player to only use a team Doctor & who can fine a player for using anopther Doctor is incredibly stupid & god mongering.

    Ah, but it’s agreed to by the players’ union and MLB. It’s contractual. Just as Arod has the right to play during the appeal process. The federal court wouldn’t have the right to get involved as they have no standing to do so.

  78. G. Love August 19th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Please stop this “I hate all Boston sports” charade and go be the Red Sox fan which many of us think you really already are. It’s really okay to fit in with your community and root for the same teams as them. We promise they won’t reject you. All they require is loudmouth righteous indignation for membership. You should be fine.

  79. Tar August 19th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    “I ignored nothing. I didn’t have a clue anything was going on. And yes, you have no proof.”

    You are stating that you had no clue about steroid usage?

  80. Shame Spencer August 19th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Lol you guys are funny…

    CC with another terrible outting yesterday, sadly.

  81. jacksquat August 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am
    JT August 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    The league could have offered A-Rod a penalty similar to Braun’s and been done with it. Instead, they opened themselves (and the Yankees) up to a “nobody’s hands are clean here” morality play.

    There is a ton of hypocrisy going on here in all corners–and everybody knows it.
    ———————

    According to Ken Rosenthal they did and he turned it down.

    Link? I heard nothing about a specific offered length of suspension, especially not anything close to what they offered Braun.

  82. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “which many of us think you really already are.”

    Back that up, little man.

  83. randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “. Stunning that his teammates supported Arod. ”

    trisha-

    as usual, you have a lot to learn about baseball.

    this whole alex saga is about instincts and intuition. rationally i can totally see your points about alex being a cheater. that said, following the yankees closely since the summer of 49…yeah dimaggio was dismantling the red sox on the car radio on my way to be born.. and there are times when i see things.

    i saw something happening when alex defied hal and git to live about it.

    instead of running your mouth non stop about the “evil” of alex, i suggest you slow down and watch what’s happening a little more . i have no clue how this is going to play out , but theres something happening that has some life lessons for all of us to learn.

    i’m planning on keeping an open mind and see where this goes.

  84. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Chip, how many time must you be reminded that facts and logic have no place or currency with the “moral ambiguity” crowd.

    And now the medical experts! ;)

    Or those who believe any criticism of our beloved Bombers is an intolerable sacrilege and they must be sent packing? ;)

  85. benfica356 August 19th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    http://wapc.mlb.com/nyy/play/?.....8;c_id=nyy

  86. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Uh, Tar, how many names would you like who have used and admitted their use?

    Start with Lyle Alzado and most of the Steelers offensive line in their championship run.

    Ken Caminetti, Canseco etc.

    Check the daily suspensions list, the latest being Tejeda!

    There are many sources even one called a newspaper! ;)

  87. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Actually it is a bit of a nuiance but the a player needs to request permission form the team (Yankees) and the team needs to grant the request before a player can do so. (Or be fined.)

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    “You are stating that you had no clue about steroid usage?”

    For the last 20 years? Absolutely and unequivocally not. In fact, the first I really heard about it was when Canseco’s book came out. And I didn’t think there was “widespread” use, nor do I believe there is “widespread” use. So it’s hard for me to believe that every game I’ve ever watched for the last 20 years (or whatever you’ve said) has had users in it. You’re surmising it absent evidence.

  89. Tar August 19th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Not sure if this has been posted or true or not. But for those Yankee fans who cheered Dempster, $%^&^%

    “Wayne Scanlan ?@HockeyScanner 14h
    Met Ryan Dempster in Detroit. Said he had an issue with A-Rod and would drill him first chance he got. Man of his word. #soxyanks”

    “Wayne Scanlan ?@HockeyScanner 13h
    A-Rod snubbed Dempster at a public event. Dempster was not impressed.”

  90. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    “CC with another terrible outting yesterday, sadly.”

    The rest of the events really overshadowed this….they have no shot if CC isn’t better and he wasn’t last night. Felt good to win that game but big picture it wasn’t the best night because CC wasn’t very good

  91. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:16 am
    “Second, we already know that Cashman is a liar & a cheat because that was proven in court. Levine the same in NYC court”

    Please enumerate, only because I truly don’t know what you’re referring to. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, just that I don’t know about it.

    ****************************************************
    Levine was fined for his Yankee Stadium shady deals. Cash was convicted of adultery in his divorce.

  92. pat August 19th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    In April, baseball even floated a 50-game suspension, according to multiple sources. Rodriguez, however, was not willing to work toward such a deal and hired new representation because he wanted to mount a more aggressive fight, sources said.

    Major League Baseball disputes that it ever offered Rodriguez a 50-game suspension, with one source saying that it was Rodriguez who actively pursued such a deal, only to be rebuffed.

    Others, however, say that the two sides discussed numerous concepts before baseball announced its suspension of Rodriguez on Aug. 5.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....dal-081313

  93. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    jacksquat August 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am
    JT August 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    The league could have offered A-Rod a penalty similar to Braun’s and been done with it. Instead, they opened themselves (and the Yankees) up to a “nobody’s hands are clean here” morality play.

    There is a ton of hypocrisy going on here in all corners–and everybody knows it.
    ———————

    According to Ken Rosenthal they did and he turned it down.

    Link? I heard nothing about a specific offered length of suspension, especially not anything close to what they offered Braun.
    —————–

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....dal-081313

  94. Doreen August 19th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Blake,

    If the allegations are true, that means they must have also kept the results from Girardi. Possibly. Probably. If so, do you imagine Girardi would come back?

  95. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “According to Ken Rosenthal they did and he turned it down.”

    What did Rosenthal say they offered? I haven’t read anything that suggests MLB offered Arod a 65 game deal or anywhere close to that?

  96. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Actually it is a bit of a nuiance but the a player needs to request permission form the team (Yankees) and the team needs to grant the request before a player can do so. (Or be fined.)
    —————–

    Yeah but it’s permission that’s routinely given. It’s no different than asking your insurance company before going to see someone out of your coverage network.

  97. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “According to Ken Rosenthal they did and he turned it down.”

    What did Rosenthal say they offered? I haven’t read anything that suggests MLB offered Arod a 65 game deal or anywhere close to that?
    ———————

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....dal-081313

    though MLB disputes it offered him 50 games.

  98. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Interesting Chip, I hadnt read that article…..that was in April that they offered that though and Mlb must have uncovered more during that time and changed their stance……

  99. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I have known about steroids since 1972. I personally know several people who used them then.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “i saw something happening when alex defied hal and git to live about it.”

    randy, you keep saying alex defied hal. I’m not being intentionally obtuse here. How exactly did alex defy hal?

    “instead of running your mouth non stop about the “evil” of alex, i suggest you slow down and watch what’s happening a little more . i have no clue how this is going to play out , but theres something happening that has some life lessons for all of us to learn.”

    randy, just as you say that the people who have been there know best, it’s the lawyer in me (and austin) that see this thing unfolding in a certain way and are calling this based on that.

    “i’m planning on keeping an open mind and see where this goes.”

    I’m going to be suprised if it plays out differently from what I believe it will based on what has happened to date (again, the lawyer in me), but I of course will be here to acknowledge it if I have called it wrong, just as I have innumerable times with respect to Kuroda!

    **************

    Chip, are you an attorney also?

  101. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    “If the allegations are true, that means they must have also kept the results from Girardi. Possibly. Probably. If so, do you imagine Girardi would come back?”

    I doubt the allegations are true to be honest….so until we know that it’s hard to say. Levine offered to release their records if Arod would allow it….

  102. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Blake, “I think baseball is a slimy as Arod”,meaning what?

    Two wrongs make a right?

    Again for your benefit, all pro sports have over looked the issue ……..the NFL for over 50years!

    What do you propose, accept it as the norm in our hypocritical culture thereby throwing the baby out with the bath water?

    Or do we do what medical community does, look for reasonable answers that will ameliorate the problem if not completely solve it, always working toward solutions?

    Physician heal thyself, although to date there is no known cure for ignorance is there except education which if I recall you are a big proponent of! (S)

  103. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Don’t know why MLB would change their stance from 50 games to wanting a lifetime ban…..I find that column by Rosenthal suspect

  104. Tar August 19th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “You’re surmising it absent evidence.”

    Come on…. you have been the champion of circumstantial evidence when it favors your ill opinion of Alex. And this goes way beyond circumstantial. Its use has been rampant for years.

    Surely you must have had a clue you were rooting for and watching “cheaters”. If not like I said ignorance is bliss.

    And really if you want to rid the game of cheats, you should be thanking Alex for bringing it to light again, because the testing program is a complete joke. Maybe less players will “cheat” now.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “Levine was fined for his Yankee Stadium shady deals. Cash was convicted of adultery in his divorce.”

    Was he actually convicted of adultery? It’s apparent that he was doing it.

    Tell me about the Levine Yankee Stadium shady deals.

  106. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    I hear something….anybody else hear it? It’s kinda what is imagine a troll would sound like if they had no common sense

  107. 86w183 August 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Notice yes, but permission, no. Unless the player expects the team to pay for it he does not need their permission to seek treatment elsewhere.

  108. 86w183 August 19th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I find it interesting that the most aggregious thing Alex is accused of — tampering with witnesses — is being pursued by an entity that BRIBED the witnesses they are using to convict these players.

  109. yanks61 August 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    “Do I think that the Yankees, Dr. Kelly all the trainers and team doctors would open themselves up to lawsuits, charges of medical malpractice and several other things by concealing a medical condition? No friggin way. Not worth the risk.”

    “This would imply embarrassing Arod was more important than beating Detroit.”

    “ac1, It would also mean they didn’t cover their tracks. Which would be foolish. And it woud mean they put disabling, embarrassing a payer ahead of the entire future of the organization.”

    “By the way, the Yankees front office doesn’t read MRIs, their doctors do. Can you connect the dots here if there was indeed something that wasn’t picked up?”

    Agree with all of these points and many more. The whole business with Arod’s defense just gets more and more ludicrous. And let’s remember that all his present charges (funny he never thought to mention them before he got the 211 game suspension)are nothing more than a diversion from the real issues at hand – did he or did he not take PEDs and what is the proper punishment. All the rest is just a smoke screen.

    I can understand the hatred for MLB and Yankees management, but it’s blinding some folks here to the real issue(s.)

  110. Doreen August 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Blake I also doubt they are true, just throwing it out there because it as been alleged.

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    “you have been the champion of circumstantial evidence when it favors your ill opinion of Alex.”

    Circumstantial evidence? Exactly what are you talking about?

    “Surely you must have had a clue you were rooting for and watching “cheaters”. ”

    I didn’t. And the number of times you continue to suggest it doesn’t change it.

  112. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Tar, interesting “logic” in that exposing something or having knowledge thereof should as a fan require anyone to summarily dismiss being a fan.

    I am a big fan of the U.S.A. but am informed enough from observation to know that my “suggestions” on specious policy decisions made for political and venal purposes no matter the sense they make will in any way influence the process.

    Do I stop obeying the laws, leave the country?

    Don’t answer the last one! ;)

  113. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I don’t think Randy is being personal here (this time anyway). There has always been a tension between Management & players (workers) and the view is summarized as almost slavery. Management knows best & workers are always trying to get away with stuff.

    It is a Myth. Management has had almost a controlling interest in the USA since 1980. In MLB, how many times have they been convicted of collusion? How many more times have they gotten away with it. Have you ever heard the term “Blackballed”? Of course you have & ARod epitimizes it in some way. Not only would the Yanks love to get rid of ARod (Contract, Insurance & Steroids) but they have the motive to do so. Bud-lite has motive too. If he can pin ARod as public steroid enemy #1 & come down harsh then his platform of tough on PEDs becomes enboldened.

    A lot of things don’t seem proper to me. How can people release private information w/o being punished? The 2003 release. The 2013 stuff. the 2009 study. All of this seems to have benefited the owners & Bud-lite. It makes me wonder.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “I can understand the hatred for MLB and Yankees management, but it’s blinding some folks here to the real issue(s.)”

    Well said.

  115. pat August 19th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    MLB couldn’t admit they had offered 50 games now even if they did then because if would make it difficult explaining why they added 161 gams to it to an arbiter.

  116. JT August 19th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Of course two (or multiple wrongs) don’t make a right. There just seems to be a lot of selective outrage towards one player.

  117. 86w183 August 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    “Convicted of Adultery”???????

    Didn’t that go out with Queen Victoria?

  118. blake August 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Doreen,
    Arods medical care really has nothingness to do with this PED case so the only reason his attorney would bring it up is to act as a smoke screen…..they are throwing up everything they can to try and deflect from the case …..

    I highly doubt any physician would risk their own career to do anything like what is being alleged…..it’s just not going to happen…..a baseba team can’t committ medical malpractice…..so this guy is basically accusing doctors of doing such…..he better have proof to make those accusations or I could see a counter suit coming if they don’t zip it

  119. randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    ” How exactly did alex defy hal?”

    trisha-

    the yankees did everything they could to not let alex ever play another yankee game.

    they sparred publicly in the papers , and alex defied them and showed up ready to play.

    that was the finger right there. the big F U to ownership and levine, the humps as pat m calls them.

    pat m by the way totally sees this the way i do. and we don’t always agree, but on this we do.
    for you to be so arrogant about anything when you have never st foot on an athletic field where yeah steroids have been part of the sports scene since the late 70′s and early 80′s from my experience, is just plain ignorant.

    you really need to acknowledge to yourself that you are an athletic outsider. you are. you have some really good baseball insights at times but on this thing with alex you working way above your pay grade.
    you don’t have the experience to know what’s going on.

    again my advice is to watch more and talk less.
    and as i said, i watching to see how this plays out. i’ll be learning right along with you.

    my hunch is i think the yankees can catch the red sox ,and i don’t think they can do it without alex.

  120. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Ray – I don’t think randy was being personal. I think he believes in what he’s saying.

    “A lot of things don’t seem proper to me. How can people release private information w/o being punished? The 2003 release”

    Who released the 2003 information?

    Who released the 2013 information?

    It wasn’t MLB.

  121. G. Love August 19th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Great article I read this morning written by Maury Brown;

    Finally, blame yourself. Don’t act shocked. Don’t be aghast at the comment. Be honest. The incredible salaries which fuels this hyper-competitiveness that leads some to PEDs is what drives it all. You’re appalled, and yet like some drug addict you go to games, watch on television, and buy the merchandising. In that sense, those that are griping the loudest are those that are the biggest hypocrites. You’re the enabler. If the money stopped—if we all became Howard Beale in Network and said, “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!”—it would slowly subside. In the end, the issue of performance-enhancing drugs in sports is tied to you. Ultimately, that’s where the power resides. I know it. I’m one of them. The only difference is, it’s all not as simple as it’s often portrayed. All I ask is that the next time you want to lay a finger at those “lying cheaters” or call Selig “the sport’s biggest overreacher” you remember that. Be mad. Want the game to be clean (if it ever has been). But, I can’t take the easy path on it. I can’t accept the arguments. I see it as Pandora’s Box, and we’re not going back. Am I apathetic? Maybe. Am I tired of it all? I think you can read this and say, no. You can’t see it but my shirt reads, “Reality Sucks”. Welcome to reality.”

    http://www.gammonsdaily.com/th.....-with-you/

  122. bruceb August 19th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Fascinating reading all these diverse opinions this morning.

    Alex has provided the average Yankee fan with a real conundrum.

    How can we root for someone who has allegedly cheated the fans and the sport?

    How can we root against someone integral to our faint hopes of making the playoffs?

    That’s why Dempster became Dumbster last night?

    By taking the law into his own hands, he turned the pantomime villain into the hero.

  123. randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “randy, just as you say that the people who have been there know best, it’s the lawyer in me (and austin) that see this thing unfolding in a certain way and are calling this based on that.”

    trisha-

    i’m not going to be paying much attention to the legal aspects of the alex saga. i’m more interested in bringing back murderers row and winning another world series.

    obviously if the legal thing impacts him playing the two intersect. then i’ll pay attention.
    i’m not going to talk much about teh law because guess why. i’m not an attorney. i have no experience. yeah ,i’ll have some opinions at times , but i’m not going to act like i’m a legal know it all.

    in that light, it’s the baseball player in me that tells me there’s something right about what alex is doing with his defiance of hal.

    and remember hal is just a temporary caretaker of the team. owners come and go. we remember dimaggio and mantle and munson and jeter and rivera.

    we don’t remember owners in the same way though george may be the exception.

    star players rule.

  124. jacksquat August 19th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    No way MLB offered anything close to Braun’s suspension. Weiner basically said so himself.

  125. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Blake @10:46, it isn’t only patriotism that’s the last refuge of a scoundrel and in your case a monumental phony, it’s the net!

    Have you been checked for an over active thyroid,it’s been associated with an underactive mind!

    BTW, the latest science is that psychotherapy via the internet is a s good if not better than face to face.

    I am available at the usual physicians discount rate.

    Although helping a poseur is a difficult and long term treatment!

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    “the yankees did everything they could to not let alex ever play another yankee game.”

    Facts please.

    “they sparred publicly in the papers , and alex defied them and showed up ready to play.”

    Facts please.

    “for you to be so arrogant about anything when you have never st foot on an athletic field”

    LMAO randy. So this means I can’t be knowledgeable? Uh, o-kay.

    “you really need to acknowledge to yourself that you are an athletic outsider. ”

    As likely are many, if not most, fans.

    “you don’t have the experience to know what’s going on.”

    Ah, but I have the legal experience. That’s where I’m coming from with my opinions, and that’s where I will continue to come from. And austin and I agree on this stuff. Didn’t you always say that you should defer to the people who have “been there”?

    This is now being played out with and by attorneys, many of whom have never stepped on an athletic field!

    “again my advice is to watch more and talk less.
    and as i said, i watching to see how this plays out. i’ll be learning right along with you.”

    Not fair. You want to be able to be pre-emptory when it comes to hard-core baseball knowledge but you want to scuttle me when it comes to the legal end? I call foul!

    My opinions of Arod and his cheating are not subject to change. It is what it is. By the way I am highly judicious in my findings. I have entire disdain for those who have defiled the game by use of PEDs. And remember this randy, after Arod did his mea culpa the first time, I welcomed him back with open arms just as did any user who admitted and promised not to use again.

    This latest saga wore out his welcome.

    You have the right to feel excitement about what’s going on and what it might mean down the stretch. I wish I could share it but that cloud that I see just won’t move.

    Different strokes for different folks. And I know that you are not a fan of steroid use, so you don’t have to say that again.

  127. tucker August 19th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Here’s hoping/expecting Timmy Lincecum to throw a gem against the Sox tonight.

  128. Tar August 19th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Comnsens

    I have stopped reading your posts. I saw your name and my name and went right on bye.

    So my answer to you is….. whatever

  129. blake August 19th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    I still hear it…..I need my troll repellent

  130. tucker August 19th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Yeah, Blake, troll repellant is in order.

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “Here’s hoping/expecting Timmy Lincecum to throw a gem against the Sox tonight.”

    Oh yeah!

  132. tucker August 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    It’s not too late for the Sox to have another September collapse. Not sure the Yanks will catch the Sox, but the Rays certainly will. Who knows — if CC figures things out and Hughes puts together a couple of strong starts, stranger things have happened.

    Still, the odds are long for the Yanks. Doubt they overcome. But it’s sure fun to see them put some runs, even if the charge has been led by our tainted hero.

  133. JT August 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Thank you jacksquat@11:07. The league could have been done with this weeks ago.

    And as far as the Yankees are concerned, it is like the line from the movie “Airplane”: “They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into…”

  134. Captain Clutch August 19th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Arod’s grievance claim against the Yankees and everything that his lawyer is saying is such garbage. It seems like they are trying to take the attention away from the fact that he did steroids and will be suspended for at least 100 games next year. Everything else is garbage.

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    bruceb August 19th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Great post. That certainly sums it up well. I wonder if Dempster has any regrets about doing what he did.

  136. Chip August 19th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Here’s the other thing about the allegation that they covered up medicals from Alex…why would the Yankees risk doing that and having it get out. No player would sign with the team if they knew that was going on

  137. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    “Arod’s grievance claim against the Yankees and everything that his lawyer is saying is such garbage. It seems like they are trying to take the attention away from the fact that he did steroids and will be suspended for at least 100 games next year. Everything else is garbage.”

    Money.

  138. blake August 19th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Still 6 back…. Need the As and Rays to start losin some games .

    Really wish they had taken care of business on that road trip ……losing to the padres and getting swept by the white sox was bad…..

  139. randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    “for you to be so arrogant about anything when you have never st foot on an athletic field”

    LMAO randy. So this means I can’t be knowledgeable? Uh, o-kay ‘

    absolutely, you will never really understand what goes on in athletics because you never play and have no interest in playing.

    it would be like saying even though you were a eunuch you understood what sex felt like.

    i guess you could be knowledgeable with the science of it, but you wouldn’t really get it.

  140. blake August 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Interesting that Alex is filing a grievance now almost a year later……

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    JT – you still refuse to acknowledge that the potential seriousness of the allegations didn’t allow the league to offer a slap on the wrist.

    “And as far as the Yankees are concerned, it is like the line from the movie “Airplane”: “They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into…””

    What exactly did they know they were getting into?

  142. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 10:46 am
    “Levine was fined for his Yankee Stadium shady deals. Cash was convicted of adultery in his divorce.”

    Was he actually convicted of adultery? It’s apparent that he was doing it.

    Tell me about the Levine Yankee Stadium shady deals.

    *******************************************************
    Cash was convicted of adultery in the divorce settlement.

    I was wrong it appears on Levine. I was going on memory about the New YS & the Major & Levine I thought. I can find zip to back it up so I retract my remarks.

  143. randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    another analogy is music.

    how can i ever be an expert abut music if i just listen and never make it?

    i don’t play an instrument, don’t read music, but i like it and listen a lot

    why would i say i’m knowledgeable about it ?

  144. yanks61 August 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Trisha and Austin, I’d gladly hire you two as my attorneys if ever I needed one. Smart but ethical, unlike those slugs that Alex has dredged up from the slime.

    Blake, thank you. As a “medical man” you’ve confirmed what everybody should know. It would take some pretty unscrupulous doctors to doctor reports, purposely misread MRIs or ignore needed medical treatment.

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    “absolutely, you will never really understand what goes on in athletics because you never play and have no interest in playing.”

    But so what? How many fans have been exposed to baseball beyond the college level? They’re still fans. And don’t tell me that what happens in college duplicates what happens in the minors and pros! I would venture to say that a large percentage of fans haven’t been exposed to that stuff.

    By the way, I did coach a boy’s little league team to a town championship (fact) so don’t dare tell me I’ve never stepped on an athletic field!

    :)

    I do know human nature though. That counts for something.

  146. randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    so yanks 61

    any interest in alex leading the team to victory last night?

  147. bruceb August 19th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Trisha and Austin, I’d gladly hire you two as my attorneys if ever I needed one. Smart but ethical, unlike those slugs that Alex has dredged up from the slime.

    What…are you questioning the validity of one Joey Tacopina, who embarrassed himself royally on the Today Show this morning?

    I couldn’t stop laughing at the name. You can’t make this up. Lol.

  148. RayVT August 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    blake August 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Alex has nothing to lose now. He did then. Many employees do the same thing everyday.

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    yanks61, thanks! I don’t know about smart but I can promise you that I am ethical!

    :)

    randy – but one does not have to be an expert to understand and/or enjoy! Heck, I play the piano and hardly qualify myself as an expert! There are all levels of expertise, after all. I have a sister who is a classical pianist and to me, she’s an expert. Yet my friends who don’t play the piano think I’m a genius! It’s all about perspective, I’d say.

  150. randy l. August 19th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    trisha -
    ok then you get the musical analogy.

    i agree you don’t have to be a musical expert to enjoy music.

    if all you are saying is that you enjoy baseball great.

    just don’t act like you are classically trained.

    you do however know a whole lot more about baseball than i know about music.

    there are just going to be somethings you don’t get because you never did it.
    its just the way of the world. you have to do it to own it.

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 19th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    “trisha , it is the height of arrogance to think you understand something you don’t experience.”

    Centuries of people have wasted their money on higher education, alas!

    “you come off ignorant about baseball sometimes because you act like you’ve done it. you haven’t ”

    Don’t remember ever acting like I’ve done it. But with my keen and perspicacious mind, it probably just appears that way.

    :D

    randy, I think you’re over your head here, and way out on a limb that’s about to break. It’s ridiculous to suggest that someone cannot understand something they haven’t experienced. They may not have the same depth of understanding or feeling about it as someone who has been in action with the subject matter, but it doesn’t mean they can’t understand it. Maybe you should look for another word.

    Anyway GO YANKEES!!! (minus one)

    Later

  152. blake August 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    “Blake, thank you. As a “medical man” you’ve confirmed what everybody should know. It would take some pretty unscrupulous doctors to doctor reports, purposely misread MRIs or ignore needed medical treatment.”

    It’s just very unlikely that any doctor especially renowned surgeons would put their careers at risk to help a baseball team get out of a contact…..it’s ridiculous

  153. MG August 19th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Getting back to baseball for a minute, I don’t think CC is going to be effective on a consistent basis for the rest of this season.

    His arm and elbow are OK, it is command and that doesn’t get turned around in a bullpen session. He should be able to win at 91-93 because of his secondary stuff but he’s making way too many bad pitches.

    I think he will be OK next year but it’s pretty obvious he’s lost some confidence and needs to learn how to adjust to the lower fastball velocity-that’s something that’s better addressed in the offseason.

    Mussina had a terrible year, everyone thought he was through, and had maybe his best season the following year.

    I’m pretty sure CC will work on his issues during the offseason and in spring training in 2014 and be OK but every start for the rest of the season is going to be an unknown.

    I really hope to be wrong about this, of course…

  154. blake August 19th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    MG,
    Yea I think CC is usin an adjustment phase right now…… I do think he will figure out his to be good again ….I have no idea when that will be though

  155. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Blake the “medicine man”, absolutely correct.

    Dispensing BS like a penny stock salesman in the “boiler room!

    Lay of the nitrous Doc, you have more positions than an aspiring nympho! LMAO

    Btw, why isn’t Randy a troll constantly bombarding Tricia with boobery?

    Just asking. ;)

  156. comnsnse August 19th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Randy, let me say while I rarely agree with your posts I do admire you grapefruit sized “stones”, which is probably the reason you and Tricia have at so often since no flies are on her either!

    Alas I am burdened with the mini ball bearing group! ;)


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