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Postgame notes: “You’re extremely relieved”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Robinson Cano; Steve Donohue

Robinson Cano said that, when he got to first base after being hit by a pitch in the first inning, he told first-base coach Mick Kelleher that he thought his hand was broken.

“I was (worried) because I was hurt,” Cano said. “I was real concerned.”

An initial evaluation at the stadium suggested no break, but Cano was sent to a hospital for a proper X-ray just to be sure. Cano was clearly relieved during his postgame interview on YES Network, but he also conceded that he might not be able to play tomorrow. With an off day on Thursday, Cano might take two days off before trying to play again.

“It’s swollen right now, and the last thing you want is to aggravate it,” Cano said. “… See how I feel tomorrow. If not (able to play), try to be ready for Friday.”

The Yankees are all too happy to let Cano miss one game if it means keeping him the rest of the season.

“You’re extremely relieved,” Joe Girardi said during his televised interview. “Obviously he’s day-to-day, and I don’t know what we have tomorrow. But the fact that there’s no break is a good sign. We haven’t had a lot of luck on our side when it’s come to X-rays, but we got some tonight. … Every hand that has been X-rayed has come back poorly. We had to go to another country to get a good one.”

Alfonso Soriano• Eduardo Nunez is also uncertain for tomorrow. He hurt his knee — and went down as if he’d broken his leg — when he apparently got a spike caught in the turf in the eighth inning. “You’re thinking something shredded,” Girardi said. Initial indication is that Nunez has no serious injury.

• Mark Reynolds replaced Nunez at second base (after Nunez had replaced Cano) and it seems that Reynolds will likely play second base again tomorrow if Nunez is unavailable. “When he signed here, we didn’t envision him playing second base, but it happened,” Girardi said. “I didn’t envision Vernon playing third either.”

• It’s worth noting that Alfonso Soriano has not started a game at second base since 2005. According to Baseball Reference, he’s only played 3.2 innings at second base since then. Reynolds was a shortstop and utility type in the low minors and was still playing a handful of games at second as recently as 2007. He’d previously played there twice in the big leagues, both in ’07.

• Andy Pettitte was pulled after just 86 pitches. Girardi said he was simply trying to save some bullets in a game that was essentially in control. “Save him as much as we can,” Girardi said.

• Pettitte has been significantly better lately, including tonight’s seven scoreless innings. “I just feel like everything’s working for me,” Pettitte told reporters postgame. “My cutter’s working good, and I have a little bit better command, I feel like, of the outside corner. Just feeling better. My sinker is sinking now when I throw it. When you throw that out there and you’re able to get some groundball double plays again, that’s huge.”

• What was causing Pettitte’s problems previously? “It obviously has to do with my arm slot and has to do with my hand position,” he said. “At my age, I didn’t think I would ever lose that again, to tell you the truth, and I feel like I did.”

• Soriano stayed productive with a two homer game, including the 400th of his career.

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287 Responses to “Postgame notes: “You’re extremely relieved””

  1. RayVT August 27th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    Good night everyone! Keep the faith! Yanks year is special in spite of everything! They seem to be very tight nit together & against the world! I believe!

  2. Out Pitch August 27th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    “Post -Game Notes” not pre-game.

  3. Hans Davenport August 28th, 2013 at 12:01 am

    Soriano has over 430 home runs. He hit 30 in the minors plus whatever home runs he hit during his two years in Japan need to be added in. Anyone know what his Japanese home run totals were?

  4. El Yanki August 28th, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Good vibes all around! Let’s play Soriano at 2nd,he was good in the past. Keep winning now Yankees

  5. J. Alfred Prufrock August 28th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Triple-A Scranton (2-1 win over Pawtucket)

    C J.R. Murphy: 2-3, 1 BB, 1 K — had been in a 6-for-37 (.162) rut

    3B Ronnie Mustelier: 0-4, 1 RBI

    2B David Adams: 1-4, 1 R, 1 K

    RHP Graham Stoneburner: 6 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 9/3 GB/FB — 47 of 74 pitches were strikes (64%)

    RHP Dellin Betances: 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 HB, 1/1 GB/FB — 24 of 41 pitches were strikes (59%) … 23/5 K/BB in his last 15.2 innings at this level

    Double-A Trenton (5-1 win over New Britain)

    CF Mason Williams, LF Ramon Flores & DH Ben Gamel: all 0-4 — Flores struck out and threw a runner out at third

    C Gary Sanchez: 1-3, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 E (pickoff)

    LHP Nik Turley: 7.1 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 7 K, 1 HB, 4/8 GB/FB, 1 E (pickoff) — 62 of 98 pitches were strikes (63%) … 13 walks in his last 16 innings

    RHP Zach Nuding: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0/3 GB/FB — 19 of 32 pitches were strikes (59%)

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....more-93335

  6. exiledintampa August 28th, 2013 at 12:13 am

    Soriano basically spent a year at there version of the minor league complex. No league or stats. His second year he was 2-18 .118 2 walks no homeruns. He was declared a free agent by Bud Selig in 1998 in a dispute with Japan baseball over their agreement and the Yankees signed him.

  7. Hans Davenport August 28th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Let’s play Soriano at 2nd,he was good in the past

    He played a few games there with the Cubs which I did not realize. They might end up dong it. It would be fun.

  8. Hans Davenport August 28th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Soriano basically spent a year at there version of the minor league complex.

    I wondered about that. Okay then he has exactly 430 home runs then counting his homers in the minors.

  9. leeteam August 28th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    There’s no crying in baseball.

  10. exiledintampa August 28th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Ya ” The Carp Academy for Dominican players” Sori hated it there.

  11. Hans Davenport August 28th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    I think we should start counting all the stats players accumulate whether its in Japan, Korea, the minors, Mexico, everywhere. You realize both Minnie Minoso and Julio Franco have over 4,000 hits?

  12. Hans Davenport August 28th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    Oh Carp? Thought you wrote Crap? :lol:

  13. Hans Davenport August 28th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Pitchers will continue to come way inside on Yankee hitters until a message is sent.

  14. exiledintampa August 28th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Dellin is still dealin. We should bring him up and put him in to retaliate. You wouldn’t have to tell him to do it. Give him 2 innings and he’s sure to hit a batter.

  15. yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 7:05 am

    Good morning everyone.

    I realize it’s still way too early to be thinking of next year but, man, I love me some Sori! Two more dingers! We know the guy is probably only good for a 240ish BA, but I love that RH power. I could see him swatting another 25 – 30 next year. He looks like a mirror image of Granderson really, without Grandy’s defense (though I’ve certainly liked what I’ve seen of him so far.)

    I was originally against keeping Grandy next year, but would be happy to have him sign a one year deal to re-establish his value. But then who knows, maybe there are teams out there that will give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a multi-year deal.

    Sori and Grandy with Gardy and Ichi (did I do a good Joey G imitation? :)) would be a pretty decent outfield, IMO.

    Does anyone else think Reynolds would be another good one year investment? With Aroid cooling his fanny for part or all of next year, Reynolds might be another worthwhile RH power bat; backup at two positions (hopefully the Yanks will add a 3B) and an emergency back up at 2B! (I realize he’s not as graceful as most full time 2b, but I loved the way he turned the DP last night!) Again, like Sori and Grandy, he’ll SO a lot and hit for low avg., but the power is still there.

  16. Tidrow August 28th, 2013 at 7:23 am

    Have to say I’ve been pleasantly surprised with Reynolds defense at 1st base. Guy is nifty around the bag and is sure handed. Makes good throws to 2nd to turn double plays. He has a bad fielding reputation as a 3rd baseman but I haven’t noticed any sign of it at 1st. Soriano has also surprised me with his fielding in left. Not the butcher I thought he would be.

  17. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:23 am

    Morning 61-

    I’d be fine with making Granderson a QO.

    It’s a win-win situation.

    No to Reynolds. We’ll get a real 3b for next season.

    Still hoping we wind up w Kendrys as a replacement for Overbay and a great DH.

    I’d try to sign him to a multi-year deal.

  18. pat August 28th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    A-Rod and Derek Jeter had some fun at the expense of Eduardo Nunez, who crumpled to the turf for no apparent reason while trying to turn a double play in the eighth inning. According to Nunez, Jeter, who fielded Jose Reyes’ grounder but found he had no one to flip it to, looked incredulously at Nunez and asked, “Are you kidding me?”

    And A-Rod shouted over from third, “Who shot you?”

    Nunez later said he caught a spike in a seam in the artificial turf and injured his knee. He hopes to play tomorrow.

  19. Triple Short of a Cycle August 28th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    With Aroid cooling his fanny for part or all of next year, Reynolds might be another worthwhile RH power bat; backup at two positions (hopefully the Yanks will add a 3B) and an emergency back up at 2B!

    ————————————

    You refer to your own third baseman as Aroid?

  20. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    Nunez seems a little accident prone, and maybe not that durable.

  21. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Something needs to happen to JA Happ.

  22. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    Still no word on who claimed Morales.

    I’d think the clock on making a deal runs out very soon.

    Kubel is also available as well as Willingham.

  23. blake August 28th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    “I realize it’s still way too early to be thinking of next year but, man, I love me some Sori”

    He’s gonna be a good value for next year…..that’s probably the best thing about the trade is that you get him cheap in 2014 too.

  24. blake August 28th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Nunie just isn’t very coordinated for an athlete at the big league level…..

  25. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:41 am

    Need to score a serious amount of runs for Kuroda tonight so we can pull him early and give him a little extra rest.

  26. yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    You refer to your own third baseman as Aroid?

    —————————————————————–

    He won’t be the 3B next year (at least not for all of it.) Besides, I’m happy to call a spade a spade whenever it’s called for. You call him what you want, I’ll call him what I want. So have many others who post far more frequently than me. I don’t want him on the team next year. It’s that simple. Again, everybody has a right to view him as they like.

    I was one of his biggest fans and defended him for years. I was happy to forgive him the first time, but fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. He’s a confessed ‘Roider” and soon to be banished for roiding still again. So I now have no problem calling him that. Joba and others who have disappointed Yankee fans have been called names just as bad. Do you have a problem with folks who use disparaging terms for other Yankees? Because I’ve never seen you bothered by it. Or do you only have a problem with people who use those kind of terms on players you like?

    Either way, I could care less what you think, OK.

  27. yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    No to Reynolds. We’ll get a real 3b for next season.

    ——————————————————–

    MTU, I agree with you. That’s why I said I hope the Yanks add a 3B. I meant Reynolds as a BACKUP to 1B and third? Of course, there may no room for him. It was just a thought.

  28. MG August 28th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    All of you who want to terminate Happ with prejudice really need to look at the pitch that hit Cano again-it was 4″ inside and right along the batter’s box line on the inside of home plate.

    Robbie, like most other modern hitters, dives in towards home plate on nearly every pitch and he was doing it on the pitch that hit him as well.

    I’m not blaming Robbie either, it’s just the modern hitting style that looks to cover the outside part of the plate as a power source.

    Happ doesn’t have great command but still has only hit 2 guys all season plus Granderson in spring training, for you to think he was doing it intentionally just makes no sense to me as well as Al Leiter, who pitched in the bigs for over 15 years.

    Maybe you drill a Jays hitter to let Gibbons know not to pitch inside as much but to blame Happ for following the scouting report and missing by a couple of inches isn’t fair to him.

    Robbie was fortunate to (not) catch a break, he’ll be back in a couple of days.

  29. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    61-

    That will likely be Nix rather than Reynolds.

  30. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    MG-

    A message needs to be sent.

    If guys don’t have great command they shouldn’t be pitching inside.

    Period.

    What about what Dumpster did to A-Rod ?

    Still need to send one for that too.

    No Team should think our guys are fair game and easy targets.

  31. pat August 28th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    “Either way, I could care less what you think, OK.”

    “I could care less” means you care what they think. Could not care less means you don’t care.

  32. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Maybe these guys need to wear a more protective type of batting glove ?

    When I used to do motocross riding we had gloves that were light with special plastic protection on the outside.

    They also has an excellent inner gripping surface and were flexible.

  33. MG August 28th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    MTU August 28th, 2013 at 7:53 am
    MG-

    A message needs to be sent.

    If guys don’t have great command they shouldn’t be pitching inside.

    Period.

    What about what Dumpster did to A-Rod ?

    Still need to send one for that too.

    No Team should think our guys are fair game and easy targets.
    ———————-
    If you tell a pitcher to throw inside and he misses because he sucks that’s on the manager, not the pitcher.

    I pitched all the way through college and didn’t have good control, it’s not that easy to put the ball exactly where you want it on every pitch, you will miss sometimes.

    I watched Happ a little more closely last night after the Cano HBP, he tends to miss on the arm side and up with his fastball and that’s exactly where a left handed hitter could get hit in the hand.

    We both know that in the old days hitters didn’t dive into every pitch, they were more concerned about defending their bodies-that’s gone away in the modern era because pitchers don’t throw inside as much and because of all the protection hitters wear to the plate.

    Happ isn’t very good but still only has hit two guys all season, he isn’t someone who intentionally hits anyone.

    As for Dempster, he drilled Arod intentionally, he should have gotten a much stronger suspension and I’m sure the Yankees will send that message in the next series between the teams, it was the wrong time to do it in a game they absolutely needed to win.

    You can’t compare these two situations, one is a random HBP, the other was intentional. You didn’t see any Yankees run out of the dugout when Robbie got hit last night or Girardi throw a fit, did you?

  34. yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Thanks for that English lesson Pat. I can now truthfully say that I mangle two languages :)

  35. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    MG-

    Then send the message to the Manager.

    I don’t want our guys being easy targets.

    ;)

  36. mikey487 August 28th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    It would have been interesting to see Soriano play 2nd last night. But not having done so since 2005, I wonder if he’d have looked something like a combination of Steve Sax and Chuck Knobloch. That thought gives me chills.

  37. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    And MG.

    I don’t care when they send the message as long as they get the point across.

    Big Papi better watch out. Or maybe Pedroia.

  38. blake August 28th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    “All of you who want to terminate Happ with prejudice really need to look at the pitch that hit Cano again-it was 4? inside and right along the batter’s box line on the inside of home plate.”

    MG, I don’t in any way think he’s doing it intentional…..I just think that he sucks and if you suck and can’t pitch inside without hurting guys then you need to be sent the message that it’s not ok to do that.

    Just because it’s an accident doesn’t mean it should continue to be allowed……the guy already put Granderson out for half the season and last night he almost literally sunk any remaining hopes the Yankees had by nearly breaking cano’s hand.

    That was a riding 2 seamer up and in and although it wasn’t like a “dangerous” pitch….is wasn’t an easy one to get out of the way of because it had that 2 seam action……he needs to be let known that he needs to be more careful.

  39. MG August 28th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:03 am
    MG-

    Then send the message to the Manager.

    I don’t want our guys being easy targets.
    —————–
    that’s my point, it’s on the manager, not Happ.

    Last night’s game thread wanted to string up Happ right at the Rogers Center like he was trying to hit Cano and also Granderson (in the 1st spring training game).

    Kuroda knows how to hit guys, I wouldn’t be surprised if something happens tonight-Andy isn’t a guy who hits anyone, it wouldn’t have been a good idea for him to go after someone, he was pitching too well.

  40. blake August 28th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    “I watched Happ a little more closely last night after the Cano HBP, he tends to miss on the arm side and up with his fastball and that’s exactly where a left handed hitter could get hit in the hand.”

    exactly….he needs to know that he needs to be more careful with that crap if he’s going to throw it…..

  41. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    MG-

    My choice would be for Joba to do it later in the game.

    ;)

  42. MG August 28th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    blake, I agree that Happ sucks and he shouldn’t be pitching inside as much.

    He only put Granderson out for 38 games, though, the rest of it was on another pitcher (who I can’t remember).

    I just think it’s on the Jays for telling a sucky pitcher to throw inside to lefties-go send a message to Gibbons that it might cost him one of his good hitters and maybe it will stop but don’t say it’s Happ that is trying to hit guys-I know you aren’t one of them because you’ve been on the field in your life but many fans who haven’t just don’t understand the dynamics.

  43. yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    MG, I’m once again with you. I think you definitely choose your time and place to respond to HB. And there are guys who you know are headhunters and to whom you have to retaliate and then there are those like Happ who really had no reason to go gunning for Cano, and no record of hitting batters.

    I also think that Dempster should have received a much longer suspension. Aroid (or Arod for the more sensitive souls out there) may no longer be the apple of my eye, but he’s a human being (even if a highly juiced one :) ) and you should not be allowed to hurt people and get nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock August 28th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    Triple – I stopped reading at that point.

    I agree it is offensive.

    Good story on Alex-Jete-Nunez, pat.

    Alex looks fantastic; ditto Sori. Jeter’s bat will come Round and Robi hitting hopefully doesn’t miss a beat.

    Andy you can see is loving the Alex-Sori power. Whole team rejuvenated. Great emergency infield D too

    KurodA-San just needs to be himself tonight and Oakland needs to start losing! :)

    Go Yanks

  45. MG August 28th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:11 am
    MG-

    My choice would be for Joba to do it later in the game.
    ———————-
    It will probably be a subtle message, that means Kuroda will throw inside and miss and nail someone…

  46. Doreen August 28th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    https://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN

    According to this tweet by Sweeny Murti, it seems maybe Soriano isn’t as keen on playing second base as some are to see him play second base.

    I’m a bit nervous having to play Reynolds at second base, but who else’s in the system, not on the DL, and who would you send down, unless Nunie is really hurt and going back on the DL?

    If the Yankees make the playoffs, it will be quite a feat, since they’ve pretty much not once had the team they wanted on the field for an entire game all season.

  47. blake August 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Ideally we get a big lead tonight and put in our designated plunker (Joba) and let him put a 95 mph heater in somebody’s back side……that’s assuming of course that Joba could actually hit the batter.

  48. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    MG-

    I don’t want to endanger Kuroda in any way. He’s too damn important.

    Let Joba send the message and it doesn’t need to be subtle.

    Who cares if he gets tossed or suspended.

  49. blake August 28th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    “He only put Granderson out for 38 games, though, the rest of it was on another pitcher (who I can’t remember).”

    yea….I guess it felt longer because he missed all spring too.

  50. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Exactly Blake.

    ;)

  51. blake August 28th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    if Nunez is hurt and Cano can’t play tonight……I’d consider playing Alex at 2B and Reynolds at 3B……Alex has probably never played 2B in his life but he’s got a really high baseball IQ and could figure it out rather quickly……they don’t have a ton of options…..it’s really him, Reynolds, or Soriano I guess unless they want to bring Adams back up.

  52. MG August 28th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Doreen August 28th, 2013 at 8:13 am
    https://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN

    According to this tweet by Sweeny Murti, it seems maybe Soriano isn’t as keen on playing second base as some are to see him play second base.
    ——————-
    I wouldn’t play Soriano at 2nd except for a 1 inning absolute emergency, it runs the risk of getting him hurt on a play around the bag and he’s way too valuable to take that chance.

    Reynolds is an infielder and played middle infield all the way through college-he doesn’t have much range but showed me last night he can turn the DP pretty well and stay out of trouble doing it.

    We’re talking 1 or at most 2 games-if Nunez goes on the DL then you need another infielder before Friday.

  53. 86w183 August 28th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Good morning all —–

    Happ’s lack of command is unfortunate, but hardly surprising. It’s been holding him back his whole career.

    Modern hitters are the bigger problem. They try to get out of the way of inside pitches by leaning back and that exposes their hands. they should turn their front shoulder toward the ball and PROTECT their hands.

    Problem solved

  54. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    Or they could wear better protective padded gloves.

    ;)

  55. 86w183 August 28th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    By the way I thought Reynolds looked great out there! I suspect they will call an infieder up rather than start Reynolds or Soriano at 2B.

    Will depend on what Cano and Nunez tell Girardi this morning. They can have someone join the team and still wait to almost game time to activate him.

    You can send Warren out and bring him back in five days when rosters expand.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock August 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Doreen – Sept 1 we have Adams and also A-Gon plus Mustelier who has played 2B (I have no idea how well he plays it) but for postseason its tricky, AGon Is insurance at SS as well – he made a fantastic barehanded on the run play in a Whitley start a few games ago and is just solid. It’s weird because out backup SS is also vulnerable.

  57. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Lillibridge is a fantastic fielder.

  58. yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Blake, I absolutely understand where you’re coming from. I know that you played quite a lot of ball right up to a pretty high level. I was a pitcher throughout college and into semi-pro. I NEVER threw at anyone (which no doubt partially explains my lack of success :)) I have to believe the guy, in this circumstance, just slipped. He’s not a great pitcher and he was trying to do something he probably had no business doing, but I really can’t believe he was aiming at Robi.

    But, boy has the game changed. Drysdale and Gibson wouldn’t hesitate to throw high and tight back in the day. But of course they had to then step in the batter’s box afterward. Payback was a direct solution; you could also go after those that threw at your guys if you had a mind to.

  59. Doreen August 28th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    I keep forgetting how close September 1st is!!

  60. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    I want to see Toronto take another beating tonight.

  61. Doreen August 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    It just stinks that when you have to win every game, you have to play an un intended backup at a key position.

  62. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    61-

    You needn’t have played the game to understand that team mates need to have each others backs.

    That is just common sense.

    ;)

  63. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Doreen-

    I wouldn’t worry because the Yankees are gonna give Toronto another whooping tonight.

  64. yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Modern hitters are the bigger problem. They try to get out of the way of inside pitches by leaning back and that exposes their hands. they should turn their front shoulder toward the ball and PROTECT their hands.

    Problem solved

    ————————————————————

    86, excellent point! We were taught to do that in Little League!

  65. MG August 28th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    yanks61 August 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am
    Modern hitters are the bigger problem. They try to get out of the way of inside pitches by leaning back and that exposes their hands. they should turn their front shoulder toward the ball and PROTECT their hands.

    Problem solved

    ————————————————————

    86, excellent point! We were taught to do that in Little League!
    ———————
    It looks like I have at least two allies in this, maybe because we are old :)

  66. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    You guys are a riot.

    Blame the hitter rather than the crummy pitcher for getting hit.

    That’s like saying the bank is responsible for having money on hand for the thief to steal.

    Think you got that one backwards.

    :)

  67. MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    MG-

    Well I’m old and I don’t agree with you.

    :)

  68. Doreen August 28th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    When we were up at Cape Cod last month, we took a trip over to Martha’s Vineyard. On the shuttle bus from the parking lot to the ferry terminal, there was a baseball team (teenaged) with their coaches. One of the coaches was pretty strongly telling his pitcher he needed to pitch inside more and it was clear the young man was not comfortable, and he said that he didn’t want to hit someone. So the coach asked the other members of the team to raise their hands if they’d ever been hit. Most of them did. They said it hurt but they survived. It was interesting. The coach was an obnoxious sort, though, and after this, he invoked the name of Pedro Martinez and pretty much glorified him for “beating up a 75-year-old man” as an example of being tough.

    Loved Cape Cod, BTW, except Red Sox fans are everywhere!!!!! Lol

  69. MG August 28th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    MTU August 28th, 2013 at 8:15 am
    MG-

    I don’t want to endanger Kuroda in any way. He’s too damn important.

    Let Joba send the message and it doesn’t need to be subtle.

    Who cares if he gets tossed or suspended.
    —————–
    I don’t know whether Kuroda will choose to miss inside to Encarnacion or someone else tonight but he’s already hit 3 guys this year and 8 last year-that’s a pretty high number for a guy with outstanding control and command.

    This isn’t a beanball war, it’s the Yankees showing Gibbons they don’t appreciate the pitching inside to their guys by someone who doesn’t have the command to do so (Happ) so doesn’t have to be thrown at the head to make the point.

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    Blame the hitter rather than the crummy pitcher for getting hit.

    That’s like saying the bank is responsible for having money on hand for the thief to steal.

    Think you got that one backwards.

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    I’m not going to repeat myself on where it was but Al Leiter and I, as well as 61 and 86, are in agreement and we don’t have it backwards.

    Let’s choose to agree to disagree and leave it at that…

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    Who said anything about throwing at the head ?

    Chamberlain is normally wilder, throws harder, and is way more expendable.

    I could care less where he hits the guy just that he does, and hard.

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    That is just common sense.

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    Also, someone made a great point in the last thread about how the Jays are playing a bunch of teams ahead of the Yanks in the coming weeks. It would therefore seem counter-productive to put a great Blue Jays’ player out of action, thereby reducing their chances against those teams.

    Anyway, hopefully Robi is going to be fine and Reynolds (or Sori) won’t have to play 2B for more than a game or two.

    Have a great day!

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    61-

    I don’t care about the when.

    Just that they do.

    Have a good one.

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    Doesn’t look like Morales has been pulled back so he is still in play.

    Hope it’s the Yankees.

    :)

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    absolutely…..and that’s one issue with the DH and how it kinda affects the accountability for pitchers.

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    MTU, we’re not blaming the guy hit, we’re saying that guys will pitch in close, whether purposely or by accident, and you really have to learn to protect yourself. That, or as someone else suggested, wear more padding or perhaps a suit of armor when you step up to the plate.

    And now I really have to go.

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    Have a good day wandering around wine country.

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    OK, so I was lying! One last comment.

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    In the game tread last night there were multiple comments saying that someone needed to be “beaned” in retaliation for Cano. The most amusing thing was these comments came from posters who got all over Trisha for wishing an injury on Arod (btw I agree that Trisha was wrong in saying that). Maybe these posters aren’t savvy enough to realize what they were saying?

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    If you hit a guy with a pitch well inside the batter’s box, that’s not good.

    If you hit a guy, though, with a pitch that is either between the two batter’s boxes or on the border of the box, I think the batter has a responsibility to not get hit.

    Guys like Don Baylor and Ron Hunt, back in the day, got hit all of the time because they leaned over the plate and dared the pitcher to go inside on them.

    Many more batters do it today.

    If that pitch to Robbie last night hit him in the ribs or on the elbow pad we wouldn’t be talking about this today and he’d be playing tonight.

    If there was a protective glove that didn’t take away from hand speed to the ability to swing the bat that would be great but I doubt that is possible given the need to be as quick with the hands as hitters need to be.

    Anyway, tonight is another must win-I checked the stats on the Toronto starter and he got lit up by the Astros in his last start but also shut down both the Rays and Sox in prior starts.

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    the analogy of the bank is not apropos. It’s not Cano’s fault he got hit, but he is somewhat to blame for getting hit on the hands. It’s a basic baseball fundamental that many ignore and some — Jeter, Granderson, Cano and others pay a heavy price for.

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