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Brokedown palace

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Spring Baseball

I thought about this when Robinson Cano was hit by the pitch on Tuesday: If he’d been seriously injured, the Yankees would have been left with only two players from their projected Opening Day lineup who hadn’t spent any time on the DL this season. When camp opened, there were a few platoon possibilities, and there were some lingering questions about Derek Jeter, but the general expectation for the Opening Day lineup seemed to go something like this:

Brett Gardner CF
Derek Jeter SS
Robinson Cano 2B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Curtis Granderson LF
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Travis Hafner DH
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Francisco Cervelli C

Maybe you’d shuffle the order a little bit, mix in some platoon at-bats for Eduardo Nunez against lefties, and expect that Alex Rodriguez would be back at some point, but for the most part, that starting nine seemed likely. Amazing that now we can basically categorize them into three groups based strictly on their disabled list status.

THE HEALTHY FEW
Only three guys from that projected starting lineup have avoided major stints on the disabled list.

Robinson Cano2B Robinson Cano
When he was hit in the hand on Monday, it was perhaps the biggest hold-your-breath moment of the season. The Yankees have gotten 492 at-bats out of their best player, and they’ve needed them.

CF Brett Gardner
Very nearly reached a career-high in at-bats already. He plays hard, and he’s been hurt often — played 16 regular-season games last year — but he’s been an everyday player this season with nearly the same OPS+ he had in 2010.

RF Ichiro Suzuki
Other players talk about what tremendous shape Ichiro is in, and it shows in his lasting durability. He’s the oldest player on this list, and he’s avoided the disabled list as well as any sort of short-term nagging injury.

THE UNLUCKY ONES
Weird things happen, and sometimes those things are costly.

Curtis GrandersonLF Curtis Granderson
Hit by a pitch in spring training. Hit by a pitch again just days after rejoining the team. Two broken bones have limited Granderson to just 33 games in the walk year of his contract. Since his rookie year, he’s never played fewer than 136.

C Francisco Cervelli
Even before the Biogenesis scandal got him, Cervelli was hit in the throwing hand by a foul tip. The broken bone caused plenty of problems on its own, then a lingering elbow issue further delayed his return. Biogenesis made it a moot point in the end.

1B Mark Teixeira
Could make a case that this is an age issue, but a torn tendon sheath seems to have more to do with overuse and Teixeira’s practice of swinging a weighted bat. Teixeira worked himself into a DL stint and season-ending surgery. His 12 RBI came in just 15 games.

WEARING DOWN
Some injuries are flukes, and some become more predictable with time.

Kevin Youkilis3B Kevin Youkilis
Back problems are tricky. We’ve been told that plenty of times, and despite a clean MRI this offseason — and a strong spring training — Youkilis’s back went out again and made him a non-factor as Rodriguez’s replacement.

DH Travis Hafner
He’s played in more than 100 games only once in the past six years. The Yankees thought they could keep him healthy in a platoon situation, but his shoulder wore him down until finally sending him to the DL.

SS Derek Jeter
Is it age that made his ankle snap in October? Maybe not. But it’s hard to dismiss age as a factor in Jeter’s repeated setbacks while trying to recover. After Wednesday, he’s finally played more Major League than minor league games this season.

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171 Responses to “Brokedown palace”

  1. mick August 29th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyEvsH4_ySU

  2. exiledintampa August 29th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    Repost
    If we can’t make the PS. The next best thing is to be the spoiler. I want so much to knock the bosox off their perch at the top of the division. Last year we let the Rays in on the last day. It didn’t matter. We already had the most wins thing wrapped up. But I could still take a lot of pleasure out of being a factor in knocking one of them out. back years ago Balt was a bigger rival. I wouldn’t mind knocking Buck out either.

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    mick – the place will continue to thrive. There’s no doubt about it. I hope it does. Make sure you’re part of it. At least then I’ll know that the rooster won’t be guarding the hen house unabatedly.

  4. mick August 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    With Andy available on Sunday, why would Hughes be listed as the probable?
    Anyone?

  5. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    trisha-

    my earlier point today was that that people who like each other( for me personally that’s mick, tomingeorgia, yanks61,ysguy,nick in sf, crawdaddy, brett the hit man, you, etc ) need to raise the level of their debates so as not to encourage the crazies to jump in. it’s also important to not interact with them at all.

  6. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    randy l. -

    You left me off your list, I’m sure it was an oversight.

    *******************************************
    trisha -

    I like you very much, and hope you stick around!

  7. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    mick -

    Girardi is loyal, to a fault, IMO. Hughes should be put in the BP as a 1 inning RP for the remainder of this season, and have Huff take his place in the rotation.

  8. mick August 29th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    there is a group of people here who follow each other like sheep.
    call it a clique.
    as they have “assumedly” left this blog in protest , as is their wont, it won’t matter.
    a new breed will arrive and this place will evolve without them.

  9. MTU August 29th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t like any of you !

  10. mick August 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Big Al-I agree on both counts.
    You should be on that list.

  11. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    big al-

    since you have been humbled as a previous cashman supporter by this year’s on field results , you haven’t been attacking my views with as much gusto as usual. as a matter of fact your have been attacking the management quite a bit yourself .

    but i am serious that we need to bring it up a notch in tone if we want to keep the quality of the blog up to it’s potential.

  12. joeman August 29th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    looks like the only way they can gain ground on teams they are chasing is not to play

  13. mick August 29th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    If you throw Hughes in the Stadium with lefty Andy ready on 4 days rest in a potential rubber game vs Balt, you should be fired.

  14. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    mick -

    What you say have soom truth to it, but, as I’m sure you are aware there have been some very good posters that have left because of various assaults upon them, that were not deserved, and although others come here, it does not lesson the fact that too many good posters are not here for the wrong reasons.

  15. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    “there is a group of people here who follow each other like sheep.
    call it a clique.”

    mick-

    so the other side is a clique, but your’s isn’t?

  16. austinmac August 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Let’s all stick around. Disagreements are what hopefully teaches us other viewpoints. Of course, you all would be well served to agree with me more. :)

  17. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    some > not soom dah

  18. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    mac -

    OK, I’ll follow you, lol. :)

  19. mick August 29th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    so the other side is a clique, but your’s isn’t?
    ====================
    has our “side” left in unison?

  20. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    mick your side is in tatters.

    if this were a chess game, you should knock over your king and concede.

  21. austinmac August 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Al,

    I’m honored. Now, if I only had a worthwhile opinion tonight.

  22. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    randy l. -

    Any thoughts as to why the Yankees appear to have passed on quality players available on waivers?

  23. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    I’m sure you are aware there have been some very good posters that have left because of various assaults upon them,
    ===============
    Al-
    There are many reasons that some have left.
    To blame it all on assaults is unfair.

  24. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    mick your side is in tatters.
    ===============
    and what side is that?

  25. tomingeorgia August 29th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    randy,
    Pleased to be on your list. I ain’t goin’ nowhere.

  26. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    my side discusses baseball.
    your side complains about the FO.
    btw…what is your opinion on why Andy is not listed as the starter on Sunday?
    Is that too much baseball talk for ya?
    at least Big Al addressed it.

  27. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    mick -

    I’m not trying to place blame on any door step, and my comments were more to do with the past than the present.

    Quite frankly, I’m not fully aware of the current goings on, and who is on one side or the other.

    All I do know is I love the Yankees, and enjoy talking baseball, and that’s my only purpose of being here.

    We can all disagree, and at times quite strongly, but, we should be able to put that aside as adults, and enjoy the blog.

  28. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Big Al

    I didn’t bring up the “side” thing.
    That was the work of Randy the Rebel.
    Seems like our “side” is here tonight.
    What does that say about the other?

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Dang I’m easy! You guys do make me laugh!!!

    :D

  30. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    It seems like Randy likes to stir the pot and leave the premises always avoiding the tough questions.

  31. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    big al-

    as far as waivers go, i don’t know what the yankees are thinking. they have themselves in kind of a mess right now. i think there’s a lot of dissension in the management ranks so nothing is consistent right now.

  32. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    trisha -

    A lady never admits to being “easy”, but if it’s laughs that will keep you here, I’ll have to find a good joke book to quote from. Glad you’re staying, :)

  33. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    “Pleased to be on your list. I ain’t goin’ nowhere.”

    you’ve been on the other side since the 60′s.

    why change now?

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Big Al – :lol:

    I of course reserve the right to continue to disregard Arod as a baseball entity and to watch games only when he isn’t playing!

    ;)

  35. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    randy l. -

    That was my thought as well. When you hear that Cashman didn’t want Sori, which in my mind has been a great find, and he was overruled, it starts to paint a picture showing a lack of leadership cohesiveness in the FO. This could spell trouble for the team far beyond this season.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Play nice. I’m going to get some grub. (And it isn’t fast food by the way randy. Faster than if I had cooked it myself, but nourishing.)

    :)

  37. joeman August 29th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Holding back the years
    Chance for me to escape from all I’ve known
    Holding back the tears
    Cause nothing here has grown
    I’ve wasted all my tears
    Wasted all those years
    And nothing had the chance to be good
    Nothing ever could yeah

  38. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    “It seems like Randy likes to stir the pot and leave the premises always avoiding the tough questions.”

    mick-

    i don’t see any tough baseball questions. i see antagonism.
    why take that seriously ?

    but as i said before, we can spar at a higher level and keep the blog in good shape. like tonight, so far so good :)

  39. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    trisha -

    You are entitled to that opinion, and I reserve the right to disagree.

    So long as any player wears that uniform I’ll root for him to be successful, for his success is the teams success, and its the team that has my loyality.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 29th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Big Al, not to get into an entire debate/discussion, and of course I respect your right to disagree, but it’s the team that has my loyalty also; and since I see his presence as nothing but a tearing down and sullying of a great franchise, my loyalty to the team is such that I cannot stand his being a part of it.

    Two sides of the same coin, hey?

    Later y’all.

  41. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    big al-

    chance are this season doesn’t end well for the yankees. when they do their big sit down with hal in charge i think they’ll be looking for someone to blame . i think lots of management people are probably trying to keep their heads down and not have that blame attached to them.

    no management team runs well like that. hal really should take the blame on his own shoulders and start from there, but i don’t see that happening.

    and that’s why i disagree with doreen that hal is a decent guy. i don’t think he is. i’m expecting him to find his scapegoats this fall and point the finger elsewhere.

  42. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Looking at that opening day line-up, and wondering where this team would be today, had all stayed healthy.

  43. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    i don’t see any tough baseball questions. i see antagonism.
    ===============================
    i point blank asked you what you thought of starting Hughes on Sunday with Andy hot and ready on his full 4 days.
    Is that not a baseball question?

  44. tomingeorgia August 29th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    mister mick,

    I don’t talk about anything I can’t see or hear myself. I know nothing about the machinations of the front office, or what the other GMs are willing to talk about. I don’t know who the Yankees claimed off waivers, only that they didn’t get anybody that way, with two days to go. It won’t kill me if the Yanks don’t get to the playoffs, only I’d much rather they did. I’m not on anybody’s side. Randy has roasted me on here a few times for a gol opinion, for god’s sake, the troll has threatened me too, but I’m still around. I like baseball, and the Yanks are my team. Isn’t that why we’re here?

  45. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    (And it isn’t fast food by the way randy)”

    trisha,

    i’m just trying to help you live longer.

    … hmmmm maybe i do talk to much as mick says :)

  46. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    randy l. -

    Do you think, due to recent events, Hal puts the blame on Cashman? The owners, CEO etc. will never come forth and say, I screwed up, he’ll look for the easy target, and in this case I think that’s Cashman.

  47. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    “i point blank asked you what you thought of starting Hughes on Sunday with Andy hot and ready on his full 4 days.”

    when did you ask me that?
    i missed it.

    but i like hughes. if i’m the yankee gm i sign him right now while he’s down.

    i start him on sunday.

  48. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    big al-

    cashman didn’t get to where he is without knowing how to roll with those in charge, but he might just be tired of the whole thing and not play nice. you never know. that’s why i’m saying when they all sit down there may be some surprises.

  49. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    randy l. _

    If you like Hughes, tell me how you’d evaluate his season to date, and what you as Hal, would offer him?

    If Hughes believes he’ll do much better as a FA, I can’t see him taking a low ball offer from the Yankees.

    I feel he’ll want to pitch on the left coast, just my thought.

  50. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    I know nothing about the machinations of the front office, or what the other GMs are willing to talk about. I don’t know who the Yankees claimed off waivers, only that they didn’t get anybody that way
    =================
    Tom
    when it’s all negative all the time, it’s time to leave.
    when positive annoys the negative thinkers they get upset.
    when whining about the past posada and montero “injustices” is your backbone and why joba isn’t a stahta or why they don’t make a waiver move at this point is the best you’ve got…well
    it’s always the negative slant that drives things like a train wreck, we know that.
    right now they have overbay and reynolds at 1B, so do they really need Kendrys Morales?
    lets bash cashman and hal while we’re at it…whatever makes you happy…but expect some pushback.

  51. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    randy l. -

    Randy Levine is the only one in the FO, other than Hal, I’d like to see gone.

  52. BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Good night y’all.

    GO YANKEES!

  53. comet August 29th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    BIG AL August 29th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    mick -

    I’m not trying to place blame on any door step, and my comments were more to do with the past than the present.

    Quite frankly, I’m not fully aware of the current goings on, and who is on one side or the other.

    All I do know is I love the Yankees, and enjoy talking baseball, and that’s my only purpose of being here.

    We can all disagree, and at times quite strongly, but, we should be able to put that aside as adults, and enjoy the blog.

    ************************************************************************

    Couldn’t say it any better!

  54. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    but i like hughes. if i’m the yankee gm i sign him right now while he’s down.

    i start him on sunday.
    ===================
    are you serious?
    you start him when he’s down?
    against Balt in a rubber game when Pettitte is ready on full rest and pitching great?
    you might know front office things but i question your baseball strategy.
    maybe you just make a better GM than a Mgr…

  55. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    big al,
    i think the yankees developed hughes all wrong. i think that he never learned his apprenticeship. i think they let him use his plus pitches too much when he was young and never developed his change for example.

    i think hughes is close to being a really good pitcher. it just seems like there is no yankee approach to teaching someone like hughes. the yankees totally bombed out on him joba and kennedy.
    the rays just do a much better job with someone like hughes. they make guys like him more complete pitchers. they do more development work on them . they tend to keep them down longer in the minors and work on what they’re not good at.

    hughes was said to have nothing else to learn at triple a. i heard that so many times on this blog. he had lots to learn. all that said, the kid has paid some serious dues and i’d keep him. it would send a message to other yankee players and pitchers that the yankees were making a commitment to their players they developed . i think it would help the morale of the organization.

    if ownership keeps just dumping these guys, an everyone for themselves attitude develops . is that really what they want?

  56. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    mick-

    call it a hunch.

    i’m into team building.

    i’d pitch highes and see how he responds to the vote of confidence .

    and i’d still sign him before the game if that’s possible.

    why not sign guys when they’re down?
    how else are you going to get a good price from the team’s perspective?

  57. tomingeorgia August 29th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    mick,
    I haven’t bashed anybody, never complained of “injustices”, have no opinion about things I know nothing of. I don’t like the all negative, all the time, attitude, either. All I can say is, “let’s go, boys!” and hope for a happy result. I want to improve this team of mine for 60 years,. It ain’t my money or my brains that will do it. Somehow, for better or worse, it will work out.

  58. mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    randy-
    it’s not up to the yanks to sign him, it’s up to him.
    if i were him, i wouldn’t sign back here.

    i want to win that game on sunday and would, at the very least, flip flop him and Andy.

    let hughes go on the extra day not Andy.

    it’s common sense…

    he’s had plenty of votes of confidence, this is crunch time, not hunch time…

  59. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    mick-

    it’s up to both sides

    how do you think guys like swisher, martin, hughes, granderson etc feel when they read that their owner isn’t going to sign any of them especially if they do well.

    that was a brain dead approach by hal. what other yankee owner let his better players leave because he couldn’t afford them?

  60. mick August 29th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    done here randy.
    you want to talk GM, i want to talk Mgr.

    btw, i think grandy comes back, the others, oh well…

    phil has the final say.

    good night.

  61. TheStraw August 29th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    I think when all is said and done, the Yanks will make a run but will miss the postseason by a few games. Considering all that’s gone on this year with the injuries and other crap, this is nothing short of amazing. Joe, while still making a few head scratching moves, has done his best job of managing this year. Cash has been pretty good during the season at keeping a roster put together that could keep the team afloat. When the epitaph is written on this season, the real criticisms will be the Yanks failure to improve the roster in the offseason, and waiting too long to make moves such as Sori and Reynolds. We have no way to know whether this is a failure of assessment by the baseball people or failure of investment by the financial people, or both. Since the ownership is not changing anytime soon, maybe it is time to shake up the baseball people a bit.

  62. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    congratulations mick

    we just had a baseball discussion with no crazies intervening.

  63. MTU August 29th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Randy-

    “we just had a baseball discussion with no crazies intervening.”

    If you’d like I can fix that for ya’ by joining in.

    ;)

  64. Against All Odds August 29th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    btw, i think grandy comes back, t

    —————————-

    So they”re going to pay Grandy and somehow fit Cano in.

  65. MTU August 29th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Thought I share what my day at Zion was like since it’s a day off anyway :

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109721757058432487394/albums/5917700852615694513?authkey=CO3jzJyCxaLJtQE

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    :)

  66. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    “So they”re going to pay Grandy and somehow fit Cano in.”

    F the fit stuff in crap.

    just sign the good guys.

    the payroll goes where it goes.

  67. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    mtu

    how far a drive from your house is it to zion?

  68. MTU August 29th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Randy-

    Approx. 30 minutes or so give or take.

  69. MTU August 29th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    We have 3 National Parks within 100 miles.

    Zion, Bryce Canyon, and Capitol Reef.

    Utah is an outdoor paradise which I have tried to share with you all.

    :)

  70. MG August 29th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    mick August 29th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
    randy-
    it’s not up to the yanks to sign him, it’s up to him.
    if i were him, i wouldn’t sign back here.

    i want to win that game on sunday and would, at the very least, flip flop him and Andy.

    let hughes go on the extra day not Andy.
    —————————————————————–
    News: When asked whether Hughes would make his next start Sunday against Baltimore, manager Joe Girardi said, “We’ll see,” the New York Post reports.

    I don’t think the Hughes start on Sunday is cast in concrete, mick.

    I would have pulled him from the rotation weeks ago but what options do they really have other than putting someone like Huff or Warren out there every 5 days?

    Today is the last off day until mid-September, they can’t skip anyone until then so it’s either substitute another guy or pitch him.

  71. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    mtu-

    nice place to live.

    the thing i remember out west your neck of the woods is that the stars jump out at you.

    a whole different experience than on the east coast

  72. MG August 29th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    let me correct myself, today’s off day gives them a chance to move both Andy and Kuroda up to Sunday and Monday, then pitch Hughes on Tuesday, but that doesn’t seem to make much difference to me.

    If it’s pitching Andy against the O’s instead of the ChiSox that makes sense, we’ll see what Girardi decides.

  73. MTU August 29th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Randy-

    Absolutely. Less light and air pollution. Thinner atmosphere.

    I can go out my back door and see quite a show most nights.

    When completely away from any ambient lights it’s super frickin’ impressive.

    Many say, OMG, so that’s the “Milky Way” they talk about. I’ve just never really seen it.

    It can definitely blow your mind. Or at least mine.

    :)

  74. Against All Odds August 29th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
    “So they”re going to pay Grandy and somehow fit Cano in.”

    F the fit stuff in crap.

    just sign the good guys.

    the payroll goes where it goes.

    ———————

    I agree but Hal doesn’t operate that way.

  75. Jesus Bustero August 29th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Randy’s side dubbed Jesus Montero the next Mickey Mantle, made out a cheater and disgrace to baseball to be some kind of folk hero in a city where he’s actually hated in a game where he’s totally hated not to mention how they build a cottage industry around Phil Hughes. But Mick and his scooby doo gang are in tatters and have lost this masterfully played virtual game of chess.

  76. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “I agree but Hal doesn’t operate that way.”

    i refuse to come up with ways to fit under 189.

    F 189.

    and that’s not a fighter plane :)

  77. randy l. August 29th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    bret the hit man-

    montero’s still only 23 years old. he has plenty of baseball in him.
    his story has not even close to being over.

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