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Yankees pregame: Hughes needs to take step forward

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Sep 02, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alex Rodriguez; Phil Hughes; Derek Jeter; Austin Romine; Joe GirardiThe Yankees are in need of the good Phil Hughes to show up today against the White Sox instead of the bad Phil they have seen all too often this season.

If the bad Phil shows again, Joe Girardi could take a chance on David Huff going forward. But Girardi has stuck by Hughes, especially with limited alternatives.

“You look at what he’s done in the past,” Girardi said. “He’s struggled this year at times. There’s no doubt about it. You can talk about replacing him, but two of the guys that we would’ve possibly replaced him with are injured, Phelps and Pineda. So he’s got to get it done. And we expect him to get it done.”

Hughes hasn’t gotten it done. He has no wins to show for his last nine starts, going 0-6 with a 5.64 ERA, the longest winless stretch of his career. He last won a game on July 2. He has dropped 11 of his last 13 decisions since May 15. There have been 18 starts over that stretch, and his ERA has been 5.12. The Yankees are 5-13 in those starts. Overall the free agent-to-be is 4-13 with a 4.91 ERA across 25 starts.

“You want to see him have some quicker innings and get some early outs and where he doesn’t get long counts and they foul a lot of pitches off,” Girardi said.

Phelps is just playing catch these days and isn’t close to returning from his second forearm strain, according to Girardi.

With the September call-ups, Girardi has a few more arms available. So will he have a quicker hook with the starters?

“Yeah, probably,” Girardi said. “But you can’t be too quick because you wear your bullpen out and then you’ve got a lot of days in a row.”

The Yankees had a tough setback Sunday, blowing a 3-0 seven-inning lead to Baltimore and falling 7-3. But Girardi has seen their bounce-back ability.

“I think because you have guys that have played for so long, they understand it’s part of the game, that you can’t really have a carryover effect; you just have to move on,” Girardi said.

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147 Responses to “Yankees pregame: Hughes needs to take step forward”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    And of course timing is everything. We get Quintana and Sale. Sux missed both.

  2. mick September 2nd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Any of the beat reporters ask why Wells is in there?
    Or is that too risky?

  3. DONNYBROOK September 2nd, 2013 at 11:42 am

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  4. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 2nd, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Have a great day everyone!

    :)

    mick – this is just a guess but if you look at the stats against Quintana, maybe Wells’s are better than the next guy’s?

    No idea, but I’m sure Joe has a reason. Hopefully it works out.

  5. CCBiggs September 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Phil Hughes is one of the worst starters in the Majors this year. His ERA, innings per start, win/loss record, and homers allowed are absolutely atrocious. He should not be in the starting rotation of any team hoping to make a run for the playoffs. He is terrible. The fact that Hughs has been pretty good in some past seasons is meaningless now. Yanks shoud go with Huff, or Warren, or anbody else.

  6. DONNYBROOK September 2nd, 2013 at 11:48 am

    You know something is Wrong, when you have to start “searching” for why a player is in the starting lineup.

  7. BIG AL September 2nd, 2013 at 11:50 am

    CC has given up 5 more HR than Phil Hughes.

  8. jpb173 September 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am

    CCBiggs September 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Phil Hughes is one of the worst starters in the Majors this year. His ERA, innings per start, win/loss record, and homers allowed are absolutely atrocious. He should not be in the starting rotation of any team hoping to make a run for the playoffs. He is terrible. The fact that Hughs has been pretty good in some past seasons is meaningless now. Yanks shoud go with Huff, or Warren, or anbody else.

    ========================================

    The way I’d work it on Hughes starts would be to use David Huff get opposing manager to put in his right-hand hitters and pitch once through the lineup (~3 innings). Then I’d go to Adam Warren for the next 3-4 innings and use Cabral & Bettances situationally to get through the 5th and 6th innings, if needed. Then go to the bullpen for the rest of the game…sans Joba, of course. That strategy saves Hughes and Marshall for mop-up on the other start days.

  9. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Big Al,
    I suspect CC has a lot more innings, too.

  10. BIG AL September 2nd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    CC and Hughes stats are almost the same, so I guess we should use that same way of thinking with CC as well.

  11. mick September 2nd, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Huff got in yesterday so he might be done for a few days.
    Alec Baldwin in Here Comes Polly,,,”Good Things.”

  12. BIG AL September 2nd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    tom -

    Yes he does, but his ERA is the same as Phil’s. CC has had a terrible season, as Hughes seems to be having yet another bad year, that’s the only difference.

    Folks will defend CC based on what he’s done in the past, which doesn’t change the fact he has really hurt the team this season.

  13. mick September 2nd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    It is disrespectful to Ichiro to bench him for Wells.
    It also makes no sense.

  14. Jesus Bustero September 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Is it too early to start warming Warren?

  15. BIG AL September 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Later folks, enjoy the game – Weather permitting.

    GO YANKEES!

  16. mick September 2nd, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Yes he does, but his ERA is the same as Phil’s. CC has had a terrible season, as Hughes seems to be having yet another bad year, that’s the only difference.
    ============
    I would reverse that. Hughes has had the terrible season, CC is having the bad year.

  17. randy l. September 2nd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    this team is up against the wall because it built a pitching wins team and the plan has been a big fail.

    offense is more predictable and cheaper.

    get the offense first and then add pitching.

    anyone who backed the formation of this pitching wins team should go to a corner a wear a dunce cap.

    the injuries were to offensive players so if pitching wins matters than injuries to offensive guys shouldn’t matter.

  18. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Who’s going to sign Hughes this winter, and why?

  19. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Joe.

    I might also remind you that you have at least 3 long Men at your disposal.

    I don’t really think you are in danger of wearing out your pen unless you do it day after day.

    Get a clue.

    Every game counts now.

    These guys are grownups they can rest after the season is over.

    And if you don’t start taking out guys who are not performing that’s gonna be sooner rather than later.

    ;)

  20. bruceb September 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    They say baseball players have short memories…we’ll see this afternoon.

    The White Sox are a bad team but they have their three best pitchers going in this series and one or two players who will have no trouble taking Hughes deep.

    Yanks offense needs to score early and often this series. The key is grabbing the initiative and not thinking a 2 or 3-run lead is enough. As we saw yesterday, sometimes it isn’t.

  21. Jesus Bustero September 2nd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Who’s going to sign Hughes this winter, and why?

    _________

    The hopi.

    Home games in the Grand Canyon.

  22. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Stop subsidizing failure and start rewarding success.

    ;)

  23. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    If we can get Hughes back on the cheap we should re-sign him but I’m sure someone else will take a flyer on him.

    For his best interest I hope it’s a West coast Team with a very large ballpark.

    ;)

  24. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Buster,
    That’s the Havasupai, but the analogy is apt.

  25. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Mister MTU,
    Let Phil walk. It’ll do us all good. I’ll root for him in the NL West.

  26. Jesus Bustero September 2nd, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    These days, the Hopi Reservation is a small area surrounded by the much larger Navajo Nation, but historically the Hopi and their Puebloan ancestors spent much time in the Grand Canyon, including Indian Garden.

    http://grandcanyonhistory.clas....._hopi.html

  27. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    When LR 1st came over to replace Eiland I was very positive about it.

    Since that time I have soured on him and wouldn’t mind seeing him replaced with someone like Aldred or Patterson.

    He shows no ability to help pitchers who are struggling and it can’t be all on them.

    That would include CC, Hughes, Chamberlain,Nova and now possibly Kuroda.

    Just giving pep talks and telling Pitchers that they need to get more K’s is not my idea of a great PC.

  28. Hankflorida September 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Yankee Trader September 2nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
    To reach that plateau, the Yankees need an 18-9 September, a .667 winning percentage for the month. It seems like a daunting task, but the Yankees have matched that pace 26 times in franchise history.
    A Glimmer:
    Read on-
    http://www.pinstripedbible.com…..ayoff-race

    Great article that brings back fond memories of teams that showed what they were made of when the chips were down in September, and the core of these teams was dependable starting pitching down the stretch. I think that the Yankees need 20 wins and 6 losses for the 2nd Wild Cardas 90 Card.

  29. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    By the way, the Hopi are particularly pissed at the Navajo who they feel stole much of their land.

    The Hopi may be the direct descendants of the Anasazi which means their culture has very ancient roots.

  30. Hankflorida September 2nd, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Final sentence should read, I think the Yankee need 20 wins and 6 losses for the 2nd Wild Card as 90 wins may not do it.

  31. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Tom-

    I’m OK with that but if he is cheap enough he’s good to have around for depth, the pen, or the odd chance he finally figures it out.

    he’s still young.

    ;)

  32. blake September 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    “Who’s going to sign Hughes this winter, and why?”

    My guess is the Giants….and he will probably be good for them

  33. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    MTU,
    Pretty much all the tribes aren’t particularly fond of the Navajo, including the Zuni and Paiute. There are a lot more Navajo, hence the results.

  34. mick September 2nd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    If we make it , Hughes will be in the pen.
    Taking the Randy theory, if he gets shelled today, it will hasten his return to where he was instrumental in the 09 Title.

    Huff would take his place this weekend against Boston.

  35. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Blake-

    That’s a good guess.

    I think the halos are a definite possibility too.

    And perhaps the Dodgers since they sign everyone.

    :)

  36. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Tom-

    I once had a short chat with a Hopi and he made no bones about telling me how much he and many of his people despised the Navajo.

    He said they were aggressive raiders and stole a lot of what they have.

    They are hardly one of the civilized tribes from what I could gather.

  37. UnKnown September 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Hughes will throw a good game today, but it won’t really create more confidence in fans, because it will be dismissed that it’s against the ChiSox. Which probably has some truth to it.

    But heck at this point the reasoning isn’t important, we just need him to through a good game. But I don’t think that if he does, people will want him starting against Boston anymore than they do right now.

  38. Jesus Bustero September 2nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Why is Joe not warming Warren yet? What is he waiting for?

  39. Jesus Bustero September 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    The start of the game or something?

    SO stubborn.

  40. luis September 2nd, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Good afternoon guys,

    I would have not started Hughes today… But if you go out with him, they need to have a short leash, a very short leash.

    JS,

    If you read this post… Very good take on why Girardi messed the game up yesterday.

  41. randy l. September 2nd, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    “Who’s going to sign Hughes this winter, and why?”

    i would sigh him right now while he’s cheap and then fix him with outside pitching coaches.

  42. tomingeorgia September 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    MTU,
    Next time, ask a Hopi to translate the name they call the Navajo. I’m sure it is colorful. I never spent much time with Southwest tribes, although I did spend a year in Minnesota with Ojibwa and Sioux, hereditary enemies. Some of their names for the other tribe are definitely not politically correct, and I assume it’s the same with other tribes with a history of conflict do the same.

  43. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Young Master Hughes will be an Oakland A, San Diego Padre, or an Arizona Diamondback next year. Bookmark this post!

  44. luis September 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Randy,

    for that to happen, you need to send him down for a while… Will he be up for it?

  45. randy l. September 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    heck, if hughes wanted to come down to sarasota this winter, i could have neill allen, rick peterson, and stu cliburn fix him up on no time. it would have to be in the tweener time in dec /jan when guys from different organizations work together.

  46. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    “i would sigh him right now while he’s cheap and then fix him with outside pitching coaches.”

    Larry Rothchild can’t fix head case? What’s the matta for u?

  47. Jesus Bustero September 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    My evil desire is to have the Rays or Red Sox lock up Hughes long term in the AL East. Whenever we need a big win down the stretch, POOF, he just appears.

  48. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Hughes was supposed to be the second coming of Roger Clemens. What a tragic career.

  49. randy l. September 2nd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    i agree totally the present yankee organization has no clue what to do with hughes.

    of course they had no clue what to do with burnett either.

    how much did the yankees pay for burnett to have that good year with the pirates last year?

  50. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Let’s try to get Bard and see if we can fix him up. DFA should be a cheap contract.

  51. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Randy-

    I think Aldred or Patterson could do a better job with him than LR.

  52. luis September 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Perhaps they can send him to a winter league to work on his secondary offerings and command.. He needs reps in a pressure free environment

  53. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Perhaps Mariano can hold a Panama pitching clinic during the winter for Yankee signees. Only so much religious activity in a given day.

  54. Hankflorida September 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    But heck at this point the reasoning isn’t important, we just need him to through a good game. But I don’t think that if he does, people will want him starting against Boston anymore than they do right now.

    Unknown, your sentiments are correct as we need him to give us one good game, and to quote the Zen Master, Phil Jackson, “it is one game at a time as the past is dead, and the future is imaginary.”

  55. bruceb September 2nd, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Hughes is unfixable. Has never mastered the full repertoire of pitches so is entirely predictable.

  56. MG September 2nd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    The blog was angry, my friends.

    Just like an old man trying to return soup at a deli.

  57. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Bruce-

    I wouldn’t say that at all.

    I’d say he is not fixable with his present PC.

  58. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Hughes needs to go to Pittsburgh so he can become an ace or a good player. Look at Tabata having a nice year. Burnett doing well and should be lights out in the playoffs.

  59. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    When Pettitte retires, the foundation of the staff is gone and ole CC isn’t the answer. Perhaps Joba will go to Pittsburgh?

  60. luis September 2nd, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Where are you leaving Nova?

  61. bruceb September 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Nova is now the ace of the staff. Funny how things change over the course of a season.

  62. rm September 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Wells has be3n much better for the Yankees than most posters believe. He had a great start. He was horrible in May and June when the Yankees were forced to overuse him and he has pretty good numbers for July and August when Girardi has been able to pick his spots and use him primarily against left handed pitching.

    The Yankees will probably need Vernon Wells to perform well in at least some of these last 26 games. They have 5 good outfields but Soraino and Granderson and even Gardner are streaky players at some point in the next few weeks one or both of them are likely to go into a slump and will start swinging at pitches in the dirt and 2 ft outside. When that happens you will be glad that Vernon Wells will be available to step in a and play at a relatively high level at least against lefties.

    A manager can’t just hope everything is going to work out if he plays the same 9 hitters each day. He has to keep all of his players ready and put them in a positon to suceed. Girardi is very good at that. That is why the Yankees still have a chance to make the playoffs.

  63. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    The future is a mystery with nova. The guy could become bad just as fast as he’s become good.

  64. luis September 2nd, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Bruce… Spot on…Although I still think Kuroda will rebound this season and C will adjust, perhaps not this year.

    melk,

    wow!

  65. The Genius Maker September 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    I am not a fan of Wells and in my blog I stated I didn’t like the pickup, but since Joe has realized he should only platoon Wells has been effective (.824 OPS in August). For the year, Wells has an OPS of .771 against lefties (.580 righties). Ichiro has an OPS of .806 against lefties for the year (.602 against righties). My opinion is that Girardi is letting Wells start against a pitcher he has had some success against in limited AB’s and if he doesn’t do well, we will see Wells on the bench against the other lefties (possible pinch hitter if a guy like Stewart is up). The crazy thing is that in only 27 AB’s this year Granderson has an OPS of (.903 against lefties) and .797 against righties.

    Girardi played the 7th inning wrong yesterday (see my blog below), but starting Wells against a lefty is not a terrible move. I would bet this is his last chance…hopefully Joe is right for one of the few times.

    http://stevewigdor.blogspot.com/

  66. luis September 2nd, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Later folks

  67. MTU September 2nd, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

  68. jmv September 2nd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Good afternoon

    It seems our PC’s in the minors are way better than the ones on MLB. All the good prospects vanish when they arrive at YS. Who’s getting better? Nova and Phelps, both spent time in AAA

  69. rm September 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Genius Maker, Yes with 20-20 hindsight skipping Kelly and Logan and going right to Robertson would have been the right move. But Kelley and Logan have been effective in the 6th 7th inning role all year. You can’t really second guess going to them in that positon. When neither of them could record a sungle out the Yankees were in trouble going to Joba was a desperate move but they were already behind, there is no guarantee Robertson would have shut them down and as it turned out the Yankees did not score another run in the game. If Joe used Robertson for two innings in that game and we lost anyway they would be in worse shape than they are now. They are playing 17 games in a row you can’t pitch Robertson and Mo every day.

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