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Postgame notes: “It was just embarrassing on my behalf”

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David Huff, Joe Girardi

Interesting choice of words from David Huff this afternoon.

“On my behalf, it was terrible,” he said. “To come off what I’ve been doing here and to have that happen today, it was just embarrassing on my behalf.”

Huff went out of his way to speak only for himself, as if he’s singularly responsible for what’s happened to the Yankees these past three days. As if the rest of the pitching staff doesn’t feel the same way. Sure, Brett Marshall pitched well today, and Andy Pettitte pitched pretty well yesterday, and Cesar Cabral got that one lefty out, but this pitching breakdown has been an epidemic strong enough to take down even the greatest closer of all time and the American League’s best pitcher just last month.

Jim MillerNo one stands alone in the Yankees three-day collapse that could become a four-game embarrassment with another loss tomorrow.

“It’s hard to say that you score 27 runs in three games — or whatever the number is we put up there — and we lost all three,” Brian Cashman said.

Actually, it was 25 runs in three games, but Cashman’s point stands. That’s plenty of runs. At least eight runs all three games, as a matter of fact. According to Elias it’s the first time that Yankees have ever lost three straight when scoring at least seven runs, and it’s the first time since 1977 that they’ve allowed at least nine runs in three straight games of a single series.

This team that at times struggled to score two or three runs earlier in the season, is suddenly scoring in bunches and unable to count on a pitching staff that kept the Yankees afloat for four months.

“Our pitching that’s been carrying us is obviously an issue for us right now,” Cashman said. “Our guys are battling. They’ve been battling all year. We’re obviously up against a really good team, and you can’t afford to make mistakes, and you can’t afford not to be at full strength. Or you can’t afford to not be firing on all cylinders or they’ll take advantage. And they’ve been taking advantage on every extra inch you give.”

Tonight it was Huff and Jim Miller. Yesterday it was Phil Hughes and Boone Logan and Preston Claiborne and Joba Chamberlain. The night before it was Claiborne and Chamberlain and Ivan Nova and Mariano Rivera. Huff can speak for himself — I suppose there’s something noble in that — but his feelings are not unique, and they’re not limited to a select few.

“We’ve had two tough games, now we’ve had three tough games,” Joe Girardi said. “We’ve got to turn it around. The bottom line is we’ve got to pitch better because we are scoring some runs. We’ve got to figure out how to get them out.”

Derek Jeter• Obviously a lot of postgame was spent dealing with the Derek Jeter news. At this point, it’s hard to say what impact a negative CT scan will have on his playing time. My guess is that he’s still considered day-to-day, and playing tomorrow’s finale is hardly a sure thing. “I just didn’t like the way he was running so I took him out,” Girardi said. “We’ll just see how he feels tomorrow and what’s going on. I’m not sure exactly what’s going to happen right now but we’ll see how he’s doing. … . I just saw the way he ran to first. I just said, I’m going to take him out and try and protect him here in case Robbie hits a ball in the gap. I don’t want him to run on it. I’m not sure.”

• Girardi and Cashman each said that Jeter never really complained, but Jeter clearly has not been moving particularly well lately. Nothing overwhelming, he just hasn’t looked 100 percent. Cashman said he believes the bad throw in the top of the sixth was ultimately caused by the left ankle. “He’s doing everything he can to get out there and play and not worry about stuff,” Cashman said. “Do I think, personally, that the leg affected the throw? I do, yeah.”

• Girardi said that Jeter “didn’t say much” when Girardi told him he was coming out of the game. You’d expect Jeter to argue, but it sounds like he wasn’t putting up much of a fight today. He’s hit just .182 during his 12 games back from his most recent DL stint.

• One other injury update: Boone Logan’s MRI revealed inflammation in his left arm, near but not in the elbow. “He’ll probably be on that three days off (plan) and we’ll go from there,” Girardi said.

• Things actually started really promising for Huff with that 1-2-3 first inning. “I started out aggressive in the first inning,” Huff said. “As soon as the home run happened, I started getting too fine with my pitches and started nibbling a little bit. … They put some good swings on some balls. Even though that happens, it shouldn’t change anything. I should still go right after guys.”

• The Napoli home run was a fastball, Gomes was a changeup. Huff said he was surprised to see Napoli swinging at a 3-0 pitch, but… “When I went into the dugout, Larry (Rothschild) told me, ‘Treat every count like it’s 0-2 with him.’”

• Huff was charged with nine runs in 3.1 innings, matching David Phelps for the most runs allowed by a Yankees starter this season. Girardi said he was not ready to announce any sort of rotation change at this point. Probably going to have to wait and see who starts that series finale in Baltimore.

Brett Marshall• Even though Brett Marshall pitched well today, it sounds like he’s not in consideration for that start. “He’s going to be a long man for us,” Girardi said. “That’s how I’ll use him.”

• Marshall had not pitched particularly well in his Major League debut earlier this season, and he’s not coming off a very good season in Triple-A, so today’s strong 4.1 innings was a welcome boost. “Just to get my confidence back especially from last outing,” Marshall said. “I really wasn’t nervous at all. I went out there, I felt comfortable. First inning came in against Victorino like, I got this. Having Romey behind the plate – me and him are like brothers – so I felt good.”

• Random that Romine and Marshall are so close. They haven’t played together all that much, but Marshall said they’ve just become good friends through spring trainings and their limited regular-season time together. J.R. Murphy caught a lot of Marshall’s outing — and he caught Marshall in Triple-A this year — but Marshall seemed comfortable throwing to either young catcher.

• Jim Miller became the 54th player used by the Yankees this season. He was activated this morning and pitched this afternoon much like Matt Daley was activated yesterday afternoon and pitched last night. Weird days in that Yankees bullpen.

• Final word goes to Huff: “We’re in a playoff push. It doesn’t matter who we’re playing. Each game is a big game. It can be Houston, Tampa Bay or Boston, it doesn’t matter. Each of these games is a big game.”

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341 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It was just embarrassing on my behalf””

  1. Chad Jennings September 7th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 7th, 2013 at 6:42 pm e

    Chad,

    Were I to wander into the Yankees bullpen, would I even find Dellin Betances in there?

    —-

    He’s definitely here, and healthy as far as I know. Girardi even mentioned him today as a guy he could use for multiple innings.

    In today’s game using Miller in the fourth made sense to me — coming into the middle of an inning is something Miller’s done a lot more than Betances — and after that I assume Girardi was holding onto Betances as his other multi-inning guy. I didn’t think staying away from Betances was particularly odd today, but the fact he hasn’t pitched in any of these three games is a pretty clear indication that Girardi is having trouble putting much faith in a guy who’s shown so much inconsistency.

  2. luis September 7th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Randy,

    The Sox look a lot like the Yankees of old in the previous two games… I still don’t get why they put Hughes in there… It was a perfect opportunity to see Betances…

  3. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    After the most painful game I can remember, I started cruising youtube and ended up looking at Yankee brawls… Don’t know what that says about me (probably that I’m about a half of a bubble off center) but it made me feel me better :)

    You guys remember this one?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0QlGsgNLIg

  4. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    The party is over. Time to turn out the lights and call it a day.

    Great effort but just too much to overcome.

    Next year will be better.

    The year after that better still.

  5. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    What irony.

    The Yankees finally find themselves an O and their pitching collapses.

    :(

  6. luis September 7th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Pretty much MTU… This series buried our slim chances

  7. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Luis-

    Time to look to next year.

    We’ll add a couple players for 3b and C. Improve our DH spot and we’ll be ready to roll.

    Next year has to be better than this one just by default.

    ;)

  8. tomingeorgia September 7th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Mister MTU,
    I haven’t fallen off the bandwagon yet. Win tomorrow and see how we stand.

  9. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Mister Tom-

    I’ll like it.

    So no worries.

    :)

  10. joeman September 7th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    I wont change my stance on the injury to jeter since last October…he shouldn’t have played this year until he was 100% healthy which it’s clear he isn’t never was…I did say back then he should take the whole year off

  11. Against All Odds September 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Next year will be better.

    ——————-

    Not if they stay with 189

  12. yankeefeminista September 7th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    As per your so glad you were at the Thursday game remark, Pruf… there was one point in that game when Mo had come in that I took a moment to look at Alex, Jeet and Mo, forming a triangle from 3B to SS to the pitcher’s mound, and I thought I may never see these three all on the field together at the same time again, and I thought back to the 2009 WS clincher. I have really tried to digest the special moments. I did the same thing last season when Derek hit his 3000th and I turned to my sister and said just look at him, let’s really take in this moment, so we never forget it. I plan to see and really enjoy Andy’s last start at NYS, and of course attend Mo’s last game. Who knows what the future holds?

  13. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    AAO-

    Either way it will be better.

    The A-Rod money will make a huge difference.

    ;)

  14. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    So okay, I just got home. I’m going to be honest with you. It wasn’t easy being with an entire group of Sux fans in light of everything that’s been going on. People tried to low-key it for my sake, but I didn’t miss the smirks or the high (without drugs) that permeated the event. And there were pockets of talk about what the Sux did to the Yanks the last three days – and about how mighty the Sux are this year. Can I blame them? Of course not. But it still galled me to have to listen to/overhear it. I wanted to talk about the 2009 phony steroids investigation, I wanted to scream about Selig and Henry’s dirty little alliance. I don’t trust a blessed thing about the organization. But I didn’t do any of it. It wouldn’t have done any good with people who are dancing on the ceiling, and nobody was being disrespectful to me, quite the opposite, so there was no need for me to emote that way.

    So I just took a look at the score and got to read

  15. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    luis-

    the red sox clearly are not putting a “pitching wins” team together. yes they have some decent pitching. farrel is a very good pitching coach after all.

    but yeah the red sox are using a model that more resembles the yankees of old. we have no one coming up like that boegards kid who could play prime time at age 20.

  16. Against All Odds September 7th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    MTU September 7th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
    AAO-

    Either way it will be better.

    The A-Rod money will make a huge difference.

    ;)

    —————–

    Hopefully his suspension is upheld and I’m an A-rod defender but if the goal is that number than he needs to sit for most of the yr.

  17. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    AAO-

    I’m expecting a min. of 100 games.

    That 15 Mil or so.

    That alone buys a quality FA.

    The Yankees will have more to spend than most realize.

    :)

  18. Against All Odds September 7th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    then**

  19. Against All Odds September 7th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Hopefully that’s the case I’m just worried about Hal. He’s going to look at this yr as a fluke one which it is in some aspect but it doesn’t tell the entire story.

  20. jacksquat September 7th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Hitting, the keys to the kingdom. :roll:

  21. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    MTU

    Good evening. The only quality FA’s are Cano and McCann.

  22. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Not asking this as a smart-alec… I really don’t know – who are some impending free agents that might interest the Yanks?

  23. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    “That 15 Mil or so.”

    mtu-

    that would get three napoli’s.

    or an underperforming holiday inn depending what hal is more n the mood for :)

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    So I just took a look at the score and got to read some of the posts. I guess there’s really not much to complain about offense. And it really isn’t ironic that the pitching takes a dive when the offense is finally doing its job, because the pitching really had to dig in when the offense was off. So it’s the culmination of an injury-plagued season. Seeing the majority of the injuries were to the offense, it makes sense that the pitching would be working the hardest to maintain, and so it makes sense that the pitching would be the part to wear down.

    How close are we to elimination? I’m assuming that if Texas is +3 in the wild card race (seesawing with Oakland) that it means they own the first wild card and that Yankees are in 4th place for the second wild card, with the Rays, Baltimore and Cleveland ahead of us.

    WC #1
    Texas +3 –

    WC #2
    Rays -
    Baltimore – 1.5
    Cleveland – 2.0
    Yankees – 3.0

    There are enough games left where anything can happen, but are the matchups such that the Yankees can really do enough damage? I think the Yanks will easily take care of Baltimore. They’ve been scuffling, and the Yanks have been scoring runs. Going back to fenway is going to be pretty awful, no matter what the Yanks have done by then.

    Does anyone remember the August massacre, when the Yankees went in and swept 5 from the Sux? I sure do.

    Payback can be a biotch…

    :(

  25. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    “Hitting, the keys to the kingdom :roll:

    Right?

    SMH

    pitching pitching pitching pitching pitching pitching pitching pitching PITCHING!

    dammit.

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    :D

    jacksquat – maybe the people who continued to laugh at the “pitching wins” model can now come to the front of the class and explain the last three games.

  27. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Here are some of the better FAs

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-rankings/

  28. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Hal will have a rebellion on his hands if he does not re-invest the A-Rod windfall back into the Team.

    I’m 95% certain he will.

    ;)

  29. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    FA:

    McCann
    Choo
    Cano

    Still need a 3B

    I think they trade for Cliff Lee because they can’t rebuild the offense in one year.

  30. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    trisha-

    do yourself a favor and take some basic online math courses. you’re smart enough to understand basic probability.

    i really think a lot of the differences of opinions with you is over how you interpret numbers.

    we all can learn more. i enjoyed jerkfaces comments because he was pretty solid with his numbers. yeah, i didn’t like his fixation with jeter’s lack of range with range factor and things like that, but he had a good grasp of the numbers side of things.

    the blog has been really dumbed down without him and lgy contributing.

  31. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    It’s close to the point where they need to just shut Jeter down for the rest of the season and focus on trying to have him 100% next spring

  32. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    While the Yankees, Rays, and O’s are beating up on each other, Cleveland only has six games remaining with an above 500 team, the Royals.

  33. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    “explain the last three games.”

    a team built to hit, hit the crap out of the baseball.

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    randy – since you top the charts in brilliant, apparently according to you, maybe you can just tell me what numbers need to be interpreted how. I’ve had a tough day.

    And I don’t need basic online math courses. This has dirt to do with probability.

  35. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    The Yankees hit too and still did not win.

    And the Sox rotation features Buchholz, Lester and Peavy. They have some bullpen arms as well.

  36. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    While their offense is obviously tops in baseball, it’s not like they have ignored pitching.

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    “the blog has been really dumbed down without him and lgy contributing.”

    What you really mean is that you’re out there swinging by yourself, basically, with nobody to divert the attention.

    What is the probability that you will someday understand that no matter how you jump up and down and talk about Yankee conspiracies and try to relive “the good old days” and get the forum to boycott life because you’re not happy, chances are you’re still going to end up a piper without a following?

    And it is totally arrogant of you to suggest the forum has been dumbed down. Again, you are basically an island onto yourself. You may miss the camaraderie and agreement you got from jerkface and LGY, but that has nothing to do with intelligence. That has to do with your sense of comfort.

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    “The Yankees hit too and still did not win.

    And the Sox rotation features Buchholz, Lester and Peavy. They have some bullpen arms as well.”

    I haven’t seen the summary of today’s game, but truly, only a total dolt would even try to get away with suggesting that the two previous games were lost behind anything but pitching. Ours. And the lack of it.

  39. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Thanks, Yankee Trader.

    Buster: my list

    Cano
    Kuroda
    Maybe Napoli as a DH (although his price and years may have been driven up too much by the year he’s having)

    I’m a bit wary of McCann’s health and although I like Choo, I’m thinking they MAY be able to sign Grandy to a QO (because of the injuries this year).

    I’ll probably take some grief for this but I don’t want Lee – 1. He will likely be too expensive (money + prospects), 2. I’m looking for regression pretty quickly from him, and 3. I wonder whether he has the “it” to be able to succeed in the Bronx Zoo

  40. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    trisha if now isn’t a good time no need to talk about it.

    but you have a team the red sox who has an owner who made billions running an algorithm that gave him small edges in millions of transaction. he has carried that over to the red sox. they play small edges over time. probabilities.

    the walking and high on base percentage thing started with boggs when he came over to the yankees. getting pitchers pitch counts up was a science. mattingly used to say just because it wasn’t a strike didn’t mean he couldn’t hit it.
    boggs changed that. i love mat tingly as a yankee, but boogs changed the team for well over a decade. the lineup was circular and hitters learned to not try to do too much.

    that model was like what brett the hitman talked about this morning. it’s playing out a philosophy that grinds down other teams. and yes , that used to be the yankees.

  41. jacksquat September 7th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    They scored 8, 8 and 9 runs and lost all 3. That’s lack of pitching.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    JB – they are lucky beyond belief to have Uehara. That worried me from day one.

    Hold and I’m going to check out some stats. I’ll be stunned if they come out differently from the way I’m thinking.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    “They scored 8, 8 and 9 runs and lost all 3. That’s lack of pitching.”

    Amen.

  44. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    You guys are missing the most important need we’ll have.

    A 3b for the future.

    It isn’t going to be A-Rod.

    ;)

  45. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Trisha it was both – the Sox offense is a huge part of what made them so tough against our pitching – and our pitching is really good. I feel they can hit anyone. But they also have decent pitchers even though we hit well. Our offense doesn’t suck. It just lacks the kind of approach I’d like to see and been wishing for since the late 90′s dynasty lineups. Again those teams had great starters and relievers. I think both are needed. And I think Lee will be acquired because sometimes you can compensate for a patchwork offense if you have a dominant 1-2 or 1-2-3 like Schilling and Johnson or Lincecum and Bumgarner and Cain.

  46. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Remind me what happens if 3 teams finish with the same record for the wild card? Playoffs or go by head to head records, or other?

  47. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    “What you really mean is that you’re out there swinging by yourself, basically, with nobody to divert the attention.”

    trisha-

    anyone who reads the blog knows that i wasn’t tight with jerkface and lgy, but they were damn good posters. really strong with real numbers .

  48. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Oh, and number 4 for Lee – he spurned the Yankees once… I’ve never been good at forgiving and forgetting

  49. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    You guys are missing the most important need we’ll have.

    A 3b for the future.
    —————-
    Reynolds probably as Hal watches Kuroda and Cano leave

  50. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    “They scored 8, 8 and 9 runs and lost all 3. That’s lack of pitching.”

    “Amen.”

    have either of you ever heard of logical fallacies?

    you’re saying that the red sox pitching gave up 8, 8, and nine runs which makes their pitching really bad for this series.

    yet with their really bad pitching the red sox won all three games.

    so how exactly is it that you spin it that “pitching wins”?

    remember that the red did not pitch well and they won.

  51. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Yankee Trader – I’m not missing it…I agree with you wholeheartedly. From the link you provided, I don’t see anyone the Yanks can buy… A 3B will likely have to come via trade or internally

  52. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    YT-

    Reynolds is not a long term solution at 3b or any position really.

    He strikes out way too much and he does not meet minimum basic standards for hitting for avg.

    He’s an all or nothing type guy. Not the kind we need.

    Maybe a utility type is OK.

  53. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I want to amend the “pitching wins” mantra to “It’s easier to win with dominant pitching and timely hitting than it is to build a force of a lineup backed by a solid rotation.”

    That tastes great and is also less filling.

  54. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    You guys are too pessimistic.

    Where there is cash to spend there is hope.

    ;)

  55. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Either way you can win it all – it’s just quicker for the Yankees to try for the dominant pitching Big Unit – Schilling model. Their whole strategy on offense is backwards and will take years to fix. It’s easier to just go with CC-Lee and try to piece together offense like the Giants did behind Lincecum and Cain.

  56. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Oops. My previous post should have been to MTU… Yankee Trader was responding to it. Sorry about that.

  57. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Assuming Ellsbury doesnt have long term issues with his foot, and I don’t support this, they could sign him and see what offers of a third baseman, Gardner would bring. After all Gardner is probably the only marketable offense piece the Yankees have

  58. RhapsodyInBlue September 7th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    randy

    Easy to figure out. As bad as the Sox pitching was it was better than ours particularly protecting a lead which we could not do but they could and why we are down 0-3 in this series.

  59. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Yankees must do a minimum of 3 things with their O :

    1 Find a good everyday Catcher

    2 Find a good every day 3b

    3 Find a lefty hitting for real DH

    I believe they’ll do them in the OS.

    Also, if Kuroda or AP will not return they’ll need to find another arm.

  60. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Trader,

    I could see Gardner traded if Granderson is in CF and Choo is signed. I don’t seen them making room for Ellsbury.

  61. RhapsodyInBlue September 7th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    I think at this point and I think we’re united on this I root for whoever beats duck dynasty.

    A one and done.

  62. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Ellsbury is super talented but super fragile. Any teams that are interested – Buyer Beware

  63. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    ” I don’t seen them making room for Ellsbury.”

    Whoever signs Mr glass to a big contract will regret it

  64. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    MTU
    Potential Yankees offense next season

    OF- Gardner, Ichiro, Soriano, Wells, Almonte
    IF- Tex, Jeter, Nunez, Adams, ?
    C-Romine and Murphy

  65. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    IF the Yankees offer Granderson the QO
    IF Granderson accepts
    IF the Yankees determine Granderson can play CF again
    IF Choo is signed

    Then, you look into offers for Gardner’s walk year because you have Soriano and Ichiro and Wells for LF

  66. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    RhapsodyInBlue says:
    September 7, 2013 at 8:47 pm
    I think at this point and I think we’re united on this I root for whoever beats duck dynasty.

    Please don’t disgrace the name of duck dynasty by associating them with the Red Socks

  67. RhapsodyInBlue September 7th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    blake

    My apology :)

  68. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    YT-

    You mentioned McCann. He would be a great get.

    I still think we can trade for someone like Headley or Moustakas.

    And I’d be all over Kendrys to DH.

    Those three things are all doable and would make the Yankees much stronger.

  69. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    RIB – I’m a big fan of Duck Dynasty… In one episode, they admitted to the fact that they didn’t bathe during duck season… Judging from appearances, The Sox don’t bathe during the baseball season :)

  70. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    “Then, you look into offers for Gardner’s walk year because you have Soriano and Ichiro and Wells for LF”

    Who is gonna give you a big return for Gardner in his walk year? The twins got like 1 pitching prospect in A ball last year for like 3 cheap years of Denard Span…..

  71. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    I think you need to leave open DH for Jeter. I don’t see Kendrys.

    And I only see Brett Gardner for a 3B if Granderson accepts a QO and Choo is signed.

  72. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    RIB,

    Ok ;)

  73. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    The best plan for 2014 is to prepare to drink a lot before the games

  74. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
    “Then, you look into offers for Gardner’s walk year because you have Soriano and Ichiro and Wells for LF”

    Who is gonna give you a big return for Gardner in his walk year? The twins got like 1 pitching prospect in A ball last year for like 3 cheap years of Denard Span…..

    __________

    Probably no one so you would DH Soriano, cut Wells and make Ichiro the 4th OF. But you need to bring in Choo because Granderson, Gardner, Ichiro and Wells are in their walk years next year.

    Choo is a must have or else you leave open 3 OF spots in 2015 and yet no OF prospects in AAA even.

  75. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Blake – BTW, I watched a good portion of the UVA-Oregon game today… Its pretty evident that I will have absolutely nothing to chirp at you about during the football season. :)

  76. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    JB

    I agree. I like Gardner, but realistically he’s the only offensive player that might bring back a solid offensive piece (3rd) the Yankees need.

    Plenty of OF free agent options with Choo, Beltran, Cruz, Granderson, and Pence

  77. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    ‘As bad as the Sox pitching was it was better than ours particularly protecting a lead which we could not do but they could and why we are down 0-3 in this series.”

    so you’re saying really bad pitching can win if the other team’s pitching is even worse .

    let me ask you this .

    which offense would you like to have?

  78. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    I do like Choo…..you platoon him with Soriano or Wells and that’s a stud outfielder

  79. blake September 7th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    chicken_stanley says:
    September 7, 2013 at 8:55 pm
    Blake – BTW, I watched a good portion of the UVA-Oregon game today… Its pretty evident that I will have absolutely nothing to chirp at you about during the football season.

    We don’t concern ourselves with footballs in NC ;)

  80. keng11 September 7th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Many of you are not getting it. The Yankees will find out how long Arod will be suspended, save that part of his salary, and release him. This is it for Arod as a Yankee.

  81. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    i think we agree that when two team play each other the team that scores the most runs wins.

    that’s about al we agree on.

    how they get there is where we seem to have different opinions.

  82. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    I love Choo but money matters. Perhaps Pence will be a better bargain.

  83. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    MTU
    Ironically, a bigger concern might be the starting pitching next year. CC and Nova and pray for rain! :)

  84. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    The least important thing we need to concentrate on is an OF’er.

    Something you do if you fill all the other needs.

    I think Jeter will bounce back after he works out all OS which I expect him to do.

    He’ll be ready to go for ST.

  85. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    I think you take Andy and Kuroda money and you bring in Lee for 3 years instead of going year-to-year and still not getting a guaranteed #2 starter for your money.

  86. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Lee is not going to be a Yankee.

    At least I hope not.

  87. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Would be interesting to see if they can afford:

    Cano
    Lee or Kuroda + Pettitte
    Pence or Choo
    McCann or Granderson + Navarro

    ___________

    I’d go Cano + Lee + Pence + Granderson + Navarro

  88. RhapsodyInBlue September 7th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Randy

    “Which offense would I rather have?”

    I like our team (offensive) they showed up, they came out for the bell they didn’t give up, the pitching in this series is where we didn’t measure up, we clearly scored enough runs to win every game.

    The Sox pen in the late innings was the difference in every game.

  89. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Before you get your hopes up for Choo, he’s a Boras client.

    The Cubs will be looking to add a left-handed hitter and upgrade their team’s on-base percentage this winter, issues that could be simultaneously addressed by signing Shin-Soo Choo. The Cubs are expected to “make a run” at signing Choo in the offseason, industry sources tell CSNChicago.com’s Patrick Mooney.

    Choo will be a free agent this winter and is heading to the open market on a high note. The South Korean outfielder entered Thursday’s play hitting .281/.416/.454 with 16 homers, 40 RBI, 83 runs and 14 steals (out of 23 chances) in 560 PA for the Reds. Choo has played out of position as a center fielder in Cincinnati but would almost surely move back to a corner outfield spot if he were to sign with Chicago.

    Tim Dierkes ranked Choo fifth in the latest edition of MLBTR’s 2014 Free Agent Power Rankings, and Choo’s strong season should put agent Scott Boras in position to ask for at least a four-year, $60MM contract, as John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer recently opined. Choo will undoubtedly draw interest from several teams this winter, and while his age (31) may be a question mark for some teams, Choo could be seen as a cheaper alternative to Jacoby Ellsbury, also a free agent and represented by Boras.

  90. RhapsodyInBlue September 7th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Randy

    If our offense was facing our pitching instead of theirs we’d have a few victories.

    Uehara has been untouchable.

  91. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Yankees interest:

    Cano = precedent
    Granderson = precedent
    Lee = precedent
    Navarro = precedent

    Pence? = precedent

    http://www.pinstripedbible.com.....nce-giants

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    “so you’re saying really bad pitching can win if the other team’s pitching is even worse .”

    randy – that’s always been the obvious in the piece. That’s why I really marvel at some supposedly intelligent people not figuring it out. Mediocre pitching will allow a ton of runs. Great pitching will stop it. As Rhapsody said, their pitching was obviously a step less mediocre than ours.

    WE HAD TWO OF THE THREE GAMES IN OUR POCKET. That’s what really kills here. Really kills. Our pitching could not stop the bleeding. And I’m not kicking our pitching. They’re tired out. Only so many bullets. And they underachieved too this season.

    I have to run an errand of mercy for someone but I leave you (for now) with this stat: The Sux record against the team that was number one in pitching in the AL – 2-5. Sux average runs per game against that team – 3.5. Unfortunately the AL East rivals didn’t all have pitching staffs that held up throughout the season, or the Sux would not be in first place in the division.

  93. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    The argument about offense vs pitching seems a little silly to me…. its sort of like a PB&J sandwich. Some people like more peanut butter (offense) on their sandwich than jelly (pitching). Others like more jelly. Either way will work; its up to an individual’s preference. But you need a goodly portion of both… If you overwhelm your sandwich with either peanut butter or jelly, it just doesn’t work.

    Of course, if you have a peanut allergy then my entire post isn’t valid. :)

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    “Uehara has been untouchable.”

    Rhapsody – did I not warn about Uehara all season long? I said he was the only person they had that really worried me.

    :(

    later.

  95. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    trisha -

    why isn’t kansas city in first place since they are first in pitching.

    this alone exposes the fallacy in your thinking.

    it’s a two sided game.

  96. Yankee Trader September 7th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Those Choo stats were from an earlier MLBTR’S article:

    Cubs Expected To Pursue Shin-Soo Choo This Winter
    By Mark Polishuk [August 22, 2013 at 7:24pm CST]

  97. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    it’s a two sided game.

    ________

    Finally he admits it.

  98. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    when did i ever say it wasn’t ?

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    “Either way will work; its up to an individual’s preference. But you need a goodly portion of
    both”

    Last post I’ll read for now or I’ll be in deep doo doo (I keep seeing others after I post mine…)

    You are incorrect about this. Statistics show that pitching and defense edge out offense in the regular season and overwhelmingly edge out offense in the postseason. Even randy agreed to this formula as reality (whether he remembers it or not!) I posted the stats that clearly showed it to be the case. When I get back I’ll see if I can find the articles.

  100. RhapsodyInBlue September 7th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    randy will never admit that he is wrong.

    Even after watching the repugnant performances of Hughes and Joba.

  101. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    teams that finish first in offense can finish outside the playoffs too.

    of course that’s not happening in the american league this year.

  102. Jesus Bustero September 7th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    2014 Yankees ~176.6 M

    Brett Gardner-CF (4.5 M)
    Derek Jeter-SS (15.5 M)
    Robinson Cano-2B (25 M)
    Alfonso Soriano-DH (5 M)
    Curtis Granderson-LF (14 M)
    Hunter Pence-RF (13 M)
    Mark Teixeira-1B (22.5 M)
    Mark Reynolds-3B (4 M)
    Dioner Navarro-C (7 M)

    Austin Romine -C (.5)
    Ichiro Suzuki-OF (6.5 M)
    Eduardo Nunez-SS (.5)
    Michael Young-INF (2.5)

    CC Sabathia (23 M)
    Cliff Lee (22 M)
    Ivan Nova (.6)
    Michael Pineda (.5)
    David Phelps (.5)

    David Robertson (5 M)
    Eric O’Flaherty (5.5 M)
    Shawn Kelley (2 M)
    Dellin Betances (.5)
    Preston Claiborne (.5)
    Vidal Nuno (.5)
    Adam Warren (.5)

  103. Your Name Here September 7th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    2 games back of Cleveland and they have a breeze schedule.

  104. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    if that were th case trisha kansas city would be a lock for the playoffs.

  105. Doreen September 7th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    If the Yankees bullpen had performed to its norm, they would have won all three games.

    Fact is the Red Sox, who are indeed a very good hitting team, were able to capitalize on a compromised bullpen, and a mediocre pitcher in David Huff. They did not do much against Pettitte. They got Nova on a day he had nothing.

    The Yankees offense did very well the last three days, particularly the first two games.

  106. RhapsodyInBlue September 7th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Thank you Doreen (again) :)

  107. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Trisha – I agree to disagree. That doesn’t mean I’m in the offense only camp. There has to be a balance of some sort. How do I know this?… I’m an expert in PB&J’s :)

  108. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    trisha would argue that heads is better than tails.

    she’d probably say if you throw three heads in a row, the odds would be higher you’d throw tails on the next throw.

    trisha is gone , but she can’t do basic numbers. she just talks in cliches.

  109. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Trisha – forgot to say – have a good night. We can pick up later

  110. Your Name Here September 7th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    The Yankees offense did very well the last three days, particularly the first two games.

    ————-

    No… They just got doub and lackey on a day they had nothing.

  111. benfica356 September 7th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    guys…… its still not mathematically over so keep the faith.

  112. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Your Name – Doub (what a CUTE nickname) and Lackey seldom have anything.

  113. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    doreen-

    pedro martinez off the top of my head was a .500 lifetime pitcher against the yankees.

    he certainly was better than the yankee pitchers who went up against him.

    how did the yanks win half the time?

    i know how they did it as you do too, but it takes a certain kind of offense to do that to a guy like him. the yankees no longer have it and it’s by design.

    cashman like trisha doesn’t believe in the kind of offense that used to beat arguably the best pitcher in the game.

    this has to change or the yankees will not have success nor will they look like the yankees.

  114. Your Name Here September 7th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    But Nova… The guy demoted to the minors… Has it.

  115. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    “Fact is the Red Sox, who are indeed a very good hitting team, were able to capitalize on a compromised bullpen, and a mediocre pitcher in David Huff. They did not do much against Pettitte. They got Nova on a day he had nothing.”

    doreen-

    so cashman builds the yankees to be a Pitching Wins ” team and they get to the most important series of the year and the pitching is in the tank running on fumes.

    ya think maybe we might want someone else doing the planning ?

    why does hughes go to the bullpen when he doesn’t perform, but when cashman doesn’t perform he keeps his spot in the “rotation”.

    i mean is it a competition for only just the players?

  116. luis September 7th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Good evening everyone,

    First… Balance wins…. A good offense combined with good pitching… But offense is like 60-65% of the game and pitching and defense about 40%… What happened in this series?… Very simple our depleted BP couldn’t hold the fort and the Sox’s offense grinded every at bat against Nova, by laying off the CB and sitting FB… I am still wondering why they never called the slider or the CU to change the look of his pitches… Also, sending Hughes on that fateful 7th inning was mistake…For several reasons:

    1) he only has one plus pitch… You can’t throw a pitcher against such a good offense with one offering and other very mediocre ones

    2) Having a 5 run advantage it was probably a good time to see either Marshall or Betances… Hughes has no future with the team, so it was a very good opportunity to see what they can bring.

    3) When the game was on the line, calling Logan to face Papi was the right call… But leaving him there to face Napoli was asking for trouble as it finally did… The problem was who do you call in that situation having Drob and Kelly unavailable?… For me, Hughes should have never been out there in the first place… If you send Marshall or Betances, at least the Sox would have had to deal with different pitches and probably their scouting reports on those two weren’t as complete as the ones they had on Hughes… Maybe they hold the lead to Mo

    Anyway…. It has been a good ride up to this point… It’s a shame that our lack of offense took such a toll on our pitching staff

  117. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    Your Name – who mentioned Nova??? Not me. I wanna hear about Lackey and Doub (still funny by the way) and how they are normally SHUT DOWN starters… How they just just didn’t have it this time… Look, I’m ok with a fan of any team coming on here to discuss baseball… Trolling, though? Grow up. Go back to charting Mo’s strike calls that you don’t agree with

  118. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    luis September 7th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
    Good evening everyone,

    First… Balance wins…. A good offense combined with good pitching

    —–

    Hi Luis…. finally a voice of reason!!!! lol

  119. jacksquat September 7th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Randy, I’m not a “pitching wins, period” person (although I like some good pitching).

    In this series, it’s a matter of Boston’s pitching sucking less than ours.

  120. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    doreen
    there ail be plenty of time to talk about this stuff after the season is over.

    for people still invested emotionally in the season i can see where there isn’t the time or place to kick them when they’re down.

    there will be a much more objective overview of the season when the final record is in.

  121. luis September 7th, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    Hello Chicken! I am sure a few around here would think I am not precisely the voice of reason! lol!!

  122. luis September 7th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
    Your Name – who mentioned Nova??? Not me. I wanna hear about Lackey and Doub (still funny by the way) and how they are normally SHUT DOWN starters… How they just just didn’t have it this time… Look, I’m ok with a fan of any team coming on here to discuss baseball… Trolling, though? Grow up. Go back to charting Mo’s strike calls that you don’t agree with

    ==========================

    This

  123. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Heck – I’m just glad to have someone on the blog willing to talk to a “low level poster” as someone recently so elequently put it. lol.

  124. bruceb September 7th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Ironic how many people – myself included – were questioning why Girardi went to Joba ahead of Hughes in game one. Turned out it made no difference. They’re both as bad as each other.

  125. luis September 7th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Chicken,

    I don’t think you are a low level poster… Probably it has more to do with seniority and a natural tendency not to trust new posters… There has been many whacky episodes on this place to warrant it

  126. luis September 7th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Bruce,

    I didn’t want to see either of them on any meaningful role at this point

  127. bruceb September 7th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Luis. Their stock has fallen so far that most people would rather see some Minor Leaguer come instead of them. And to think, not so long ago we could have demanded a king’s ransom for either of them.

  128. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Bruceb – the tradgedy of the situation is – one or both may (not will, but may) reach their potential elsewhere

  129. luis September 7th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Bruce,

    I’ll tell you why I didn’t want either of them:

    1) Hughes confidence is at an all time low… He wasn’t mentally ready for a game like the one he was called upon…Even with a 5 run lead, not against such a good lineup and probably a very good scouting department… He only has the FB and a very loopy slider/CB and he doesn’t trust the CU.

    2) In the case of Joba, I think they screw him up and probably his attitude is not helping… You don’t want to put a pitcher out there when his heart is elsewhere.

    Also, since they play so often ( Sox and Yankees )… Why not send an unknown with good stuff and see what happens? I still remember when the Angels brought Krod… He obliterated us… Part of it was that there wasn’t a good scouting report

  130. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Have a good evening Ladies and Gentleman.

    I’ll see you all on the sunny side. See ya’ for coffee.

    Dream well. And when you do always dream big.

    :)

  131. luis September 7th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Good night MTU… By the way… The pics you sent were spectacular!

  132. UnKnown September 7th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Eminem is in the booth with Mus and Herby at the ND Vs. Mich game. Wow that just happened. That was pretty cool.

  133. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Unknown – I saw that. Pretty cool. Just wondering… Do you think Brent really knew who Marshall was?

  134. MTU September 7th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Thanks Luis.

    Heavenly place.

    See ya’ manana amigo.

    :)

  135. UnKnown September 7th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Ha, not sure Stan. Marshall gave him a pretty big compliment so he had to act like he did.

    Mus is way more interested in checking out the ladies in the Student Section usually.

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    “trisha -

    why isn’t kansas city in first place since they are first in pitching.

    this alone exposes the fallacy in your thinking.

    it’s a two sided game.”

    randy – everything to you is a game, one-upsmanship. I’m not into game playing. I’m a lot more real about this stuff. Don’t you think I knew that someone would pick up on KC’s placement? Since they are in a division with two teams that are contenders, it made their job a little bit harder – just as the roiders in our division would have had a tougher time if they had more pitching competition in their own division.

    And how funny as I write this that KC is leading the Tigers 4-3 in the 9th.

    randy – you are a fraud. You run away or pretend not to see anytime I post STATISTICS that show you have no argument. Why is that randy? Can you tell me?

  137. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Unknown – LOL

  138. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    And randy – there is no fallacy in my thinking. The fallacy is in YOUR thinking. No matter how you try to convince the world otherwise by talking about the good old days and the Bronx Bombers and the way things were, hard cold stats tell the real story. At least I can fashion my argument on more than vignettes.

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    “But offense is like 60-65% of the game and pitching and defense about 40%…”

    Here’s what I don’t understand. Are you people so desperate to stay with your argument that you are willing to say the opposite of statistical reality? This is pure BUNK!

    I’ll say this for myself. If I was trying to front an argument, and someone actually put up the numbers to show me I got it wrong, I wouldn’t keep yammering about it and saying I was right. If I didn’t have the good sportsmanship to admit to being wrong, I’d certainly just shut up about it.

    Here, you put the stuff out in black and white, and the same people pretend not to see it or choose to ignore it altogether and keep saying they’ve gotten it right when they haven’t.

    WHY?????????????????????????

  140. Triple Short of a Cycle September 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    So KC isn’t in first place because they have 2 other contenders in their division even though KC has the best pitching in the league? Huh?

  141. UnKnown September 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    3-0 M’s.

    Man we just need to start winning again. This is still up for grabs. Probably need 3 of 4 in Baltimore this week though. Really hope the teams playing the Tribe are up for playing spoiler.

  142. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    trisha-

    you can’t even figure out the odds of the red sox sweeping when the series started.
    if i’m wrong about that my bad. sorry .

    but if you can’t figure out simple odds,why should anyone pay attention to you coming up with a plan that has small mathematical probabilities played out over years.

    i just simply don’t think you can do the math.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    chicken – it has nothing to do with agreeing to disagree. That stuff works when you’re talking about subjective stuff, like whether someone thinks Girardi should take someone out of a game, and another person disagrees.

    When you’re talking about hard cold numbers, they are or they aren’t! Is it because I’m female that some of you men choose to ignore the stats I put out here? I don’t get it. I make a statement and can back it up 100% with statistics, and some of you say it isn’t so. That’s not only insulting, it’s infuriating.

    chicken, some time in the past I posted links to statistical articles that broke down the balance of pitching, defense, and offense, and what edged out the other in major league baseball wins in the regular season. EVEN RANDY AGREED THAT IT WAS CORRECT – and it was that pitching and defense edged out offense. The balance wasn’t overwhelming, but it did edge it out in terms of what won games. I also linked to statistical breakdowns that showed that pitching far outweighed offense when it came to winning in the postseason!

    I’ll keep preaching to the choir on this one, and thankfully there are people here who are honest enough to admit to being wrong and bright enough to understand the written word.

    chicken – you haven’t seen the articles so I’m not singling you out. Just using what you said as a springboard for my frustration on the topic.

    :)

  144. UnKnown September 7th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Hey Stan who do you like for College Football? I like LSU.

  145. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    “And randy – there is no fallacy in my thinking. ”

    i don’t think you know enough to know what you don’t know.

  146. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    trisha-

    the problem you have is that cashman is running your plan.

    guess what.

    it ain’t working.

  147. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    randy – stop the smoke screen. Thanks.

    It’s not about believing me. It’s about believing the research.

    You’re a salesman by nature. It shows. I’m an attorney. Everything we do is based on researching what’s out there.

  148. blake September 7th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    The Rays are letting the yanks stay alive…..they could have ended this thing pretty much and haven’t

  149. bruceb September 7th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    UnKnown…I admire your optimism, as you know, but the women and children are already in the lifeboat – and we men are about to join them. Even the captain, it seems, won’t be going down with the ship due to his suspect ankle.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    I’ll give you this randy. You must have a successful business because you have a line of BS that never stops. That’s actually a compliment.

    :)

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    “The Rays are letting the yanks stay alive…..they could have ended this thing pretty much and haven’t”

    That’s a good thing.

  152. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    trisha-

    that’s funny that you say i’m a salesman by nature. i’m smart enough to hire people to do that.
    i would be very bad selling to people. we try to keep me away from the public :)

  153. Triple Short of a Cycle September 7th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Attorneys are the biggest salesman out there. Outside of politician’s they are the slimiest people alive

  154. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Trisha – youre right… I haven’t seen the articles, so I cant comment. The only point I’m trying to make is that offense with no pitching is a recipe for disaster… pitching with no offense is also recipe for disaster. I think an offensive-centric team with pitching support can win… I also think a pitching-centric team with offensive support can win.

    As to how the percentages should be drawn… thats up to you and Randy… My point is that you have to have some of both. If we still disagree… sorry??!!??

  155. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    actually trisha i’m pretty good with numbers. my accountants always ask me why i have them.

    but the kind of stuff that jerkface was in to is not accounting and simple stats. it’s playing out algorithms over log periods of time. the red sox are doing this. the yankees are playing out a losing algorithm.

    i know enough about numbers to know what i don’t know. you know so little you use your numbers in a really crude way.
    and this is about you personally. how can anyone have a decent numbers conversation with you when you are so numerically challenged.

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    “trisha-

    the problem you have is that cashman is running your plan.

    guess what.

    it ain’t working.”

    That’s definitely subjective, and that’s where it’s okay for someone to say they will agree to disagree – but I’m not necessarily doing that here. Last year when you said that Cashman should step aside because he wasn’t in the right state of mind to do his job because of his personal problems, I agreed with you. Maybe he’s been distracted for some time that we don’t know about. He isn’t perfect, but he isn’t outrageously bad either. There are some things I’ve been unhappy about in terms of the way things are handled, but it’s not always easy to separate the wheat from the chaff. Or what is coming first, the chicken or the egg? Are things handled poorly (if they are) because of the emphasis on winning that has been part of the Yankee mantra – or are they handled badly because someone dropped the ball?

    Again my training tells me to examine all possibilities, so I truly don’t know the genesis. But I can say that there have been things that have bothered me about the way player down below are yanked before they’re ready, about how DLd players are dumped back into the lineup when it’s obvious it’s a panic move and they are not truly ready to be back – and then it always backfires.

  157. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    “you know so little you use your numbers in a really crude way.
    and this is about you personally. how can anyone have a decent numbers conversation with you when you are so numerically challenged.”

    Pathetic BS.

    I’ve shown you to be wrong so many times it isn’t funny. Now you are not able to ever have a decent conversation with anyone when you’ve been shown to be wrong. You pretend you didn’t hear it and just keep on keeping on.

    End of story.

  158. Triple Short of a Cycle September 7th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    http://www.allsportstalk.net/m.....s-myt/1065

  159. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    trisha-

    i meant your plan is out there being played out for everyone to see. it’s not working.

    now maybe you the plan is ok and the guy implementing it isn’t.

    that’s another story .

    maybe you should think about lobbying for someone better to implement the pitching wins plan.

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    I’ll now go back and read the rest of the posts I missed before randy started to bait and switch so he wouldn’t have to admit he had said in the past that pitching and defense edged out offense in winning games in the regular season. And he only said it because he was embarrassed into it after being forced to read it in black and white. I mean what was he going to say? No, they’re wrong and I’m still right, despite their statistical regressions and resultant conclusions?

  161. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    randy – nobody expected CC, Andy and Hughes to struggle the way they did. If CC and Andy had pitched up to expectations this season, the Yanks would be in first place and you’d be sitting silently.

    And it isn’t my plan. I buy into reality. If reality says that pitching and defense have the edge, then I want a team built around pitching and defense. What’s so difficult to understand?

  162. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    trisha -
    simple question.

    how’d you do in math in high school and college ?

    what was the highest level course you’ve taken. i didn’t go that high myself. trig , calculus.
    but i like things like markov theory and things like that . i have a numerical curiosity. i don’t see that with you at all. i don’t see the thoughtfulness with numbers.

    we’ll let this go for another time. it’s obvious no one is interested :)

  163. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    “so he wouldn’t have to admit he had said in the past that pitching and defense edged out offense in winning games in the regular season”

    trisha-

    that’s silly to say i believe that. no one here would believe that.

    there are some strong mathematical minds on this blog and there were way more in the past. i’m sorry but you’re not one of them and you know it.

  164. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    chicken – some of both. Statistics show that you can go further with stronger pitching and not-as-strong offense than you can with stronger offense and not-as-strong pitching.

    That’s all I’m trying to say. If you have to tip the scale in favor of one or the other, stats show that pitching is where you put your money. It’s not to say that having great offense is a bad thing. Just that you win more with stronger pitching than stronger offense and weaker pitching.

  165. randy l. September 7th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    good night trisha

    enjoy the rest of your night.

  166. exiledintampa September 7th, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    I’m watching a QB. wearing #98 and a nose tackle wearing #1. Numbers aren’t making any sense to me anymore. That’s all I have to add about numbers.

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    “that’s silly to say i believe that. no one here would believe that.”

    You did say that. Think back randy, because I’m going to propose something to you. If I can find where you said that, you don’t post the rest of the season. Deal?

  168. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 11:08 pm

    Trisha – ok.. we’re all good :)

  169. luis September 7th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Before I go to bed… The percentiles that I submitted where presented originally by JF

  170. luis September 7th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    So many posters have already left… You are proposing to lose randy for the rest of the season?

    Wow!

    Don’t take that bet Randy please…

  171. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    luis – I don’t remember his percentiles but I did find statistical analyses that showed that pitching and defense outweighed offense. randy was forced to agree, even though he said the edge was slight – and it was. It’s probably a little higher now that the offensive numbers have dropped off. I will do my level best to find the article.

  172. luis September 7th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Trisha,

    One last thing….Name how many Pitching and defense teams have won the WS vs how many offensive clubs have done so in the past…

    Look it up

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    luis – he doesn’t have to take it. I’ll just try to find where he agreed, to refresh his memory.

    :)

  174. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    luis – the edge goes to pitching and defense. We posted those articles also.

  175. luis September 7th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Alright… Good night and don’t be so feisty

  176. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    I’d have to change my profession to change my feist!

    Good night.

  177. Triple Short of a Cycle September 7th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    and the article I posted disagreed with the pitching wins myth

  178. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    luis, maybe when you’re around tomorrow I can post some current stat charts and you can give me your impression of what they indicate. I know you won’t run away from it the way some seem to do.

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    Too busy here debating so didn’t read your article. Does it contain statistical regression? If so, I’ll take the time to read it. Otherwise I’ll spend my time trying to find the articles that gave actual stats.

  180. luis September 7th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Will do Trisha… Have a good one

  181. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    You too luis.

    :)

    Maybe tomorrow our Yanks’ll get back on a roll. Here’s hoping.

  182. exiledintampa September 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    When statistics don’t pass the sniff test then they’re skewed. All I know is hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in all sports. You only have to be successful 3 out of 10 times to be considered really good. If a circular lineup had 9 good hitters and mediocre pitching they would win 90 games or more. This Yankee team is known as the Bronx Bombers. Why cut off the balls of what made you great. Statistics?

  183. exiledintampa September 7th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    What turned Boston around was adding 3 hitters. It’s basically the same pitching. The hitting turned them around.

  184. Your Name Here September 7th, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Chicken

    Lackey has 18 quality starts this year and dominated the Yankees his last time out.

    When it comes to pitching….. Only 1 team in 100+ years has lost 3 games in a row they scored 8+ runs in in the AL. Your 2013 Yankees.

    But that’s meaningless…..

    Right now… The yanks are 4 teams back in the wild card. 3 games back of Tampa in the Loss Column and 2 games back of the Engines and O’s in the loss column.

    Boston is a better team. Nitpick all the stats you want.

    And Mo wouldn’t have any where near the saves he has without his expanded strike zone.

    http://pitchfx.texasleaguers.c.....2F6%2F2013

  185. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Here’s a sampling. I’ll give you more tomorrow. But there all based on hard-core stats.

    Is it Better to be an Elite Run Producing or Run Preventing Team?

    We all know that run differential is the driver in terms of team record, but teams can generate run differential in different ways. Teams can be great at scoring runs or preventing ones, doing both, or, oddly enough, doing neither. So would you rather have an elite run scoring or run preventing team? The answer, at least over the past 10 years of data, seems to be you want an elite run preventing team.

    The graphic above shows the probability that a team playing from 2001-2010 would end the season in the top 8 in league run differential based on the various combinations of runs scored and allowed. I define elite as finishing in the top 25th percentile for runs scored (>=805.5 runs) or allowed (<=698.75 runs) based on all teams over the past decade. Numbers in parentheses represent the number of times that category occurred and the number of times that category finished in the top 8.

    (Why the top 8? Because, generally, this captures the four best teams from each league and the eight playoff teams in a given season. Teams that finished in the top 8 made the playoffs 78% of the time.)

    52% of teams that finished with a top 8 run differential were elite in at least one category. Teams that were elite run preventers had a higher probability of finishing in the top 8 than elite run producers (64% vs. 57%). That gap gets a tad bit larger if we restrict the comparison to teams that were elite run producers and non-elite run preventers (and vice-versa).

    _________________________

    By the way, that last bolding is EXACTLY what I showed the other day when I showed stats on offense and pitching, and where the first-place teams were congregated in terms of both.

  186. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 7th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    “What turned Boston around was adding 3 hitters. It’s basically the same pitching. The hitting turned them around.”

    What turned Boston around was having Yankee pitching underperform this season. You can see what adding three hitters did against teams that had strong pitching. The answer – not much.

    Night all.

  187. yankinvegas September 7th, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    A few thoughts -
    1 – no matter what the reasons are, for the NY Yankees to have a worse record than Oakland or Cleveland is a disgrace and blame falls on ownership who locked up the wallet until it was too late
    2 – We are getting destroyed in the intl markets. Where is our Boegarts? Hopefully Sanchez and a couple of the pitchers will get this turned around
    3 – We absolutely must resign Cano and Hal has to prove to the fans that he cares about winning above all other things, up to and especially including the luxury tax. Otherwise, we are watching a clone of the Wilpons’
    4 – It is off the charts how much I despise the Boston Red Sox. They look like idiots with those beards, they are protected by MLB, ESPN and all other combination of initials you can imagine. The national media has orgasms about Fenway Park. I have been there many times and it is a dump.
    5 – The Yankees should release Jeter in the offseason. This is a business and at this point I feel that he is simply not a viable asset. take the PR hit and move on. The end for great players is rarely easy but this has to be done.
    6 – Move on from Rodriguez and maybe Granderson. We simply have to get younger and more athletic. Not necessarily cheaper, but more interesting and fun to watch
    7 – And finally and most importantly, define the roles of the front office. I couldn’t care less about who is in charge but someone HAS to be in charge!

  188. UnKnown September 7th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    The Yankees have lost 20 games this year when giving up ONLY 3 runs or less. That’s 30% of our losses have come because we were not able to score at least 4 runs. Mind you in some of those games we wouldn’t have even needed 4 runs. Less than 4 would have got us a victory.

    Basically I’m not sure what that says. But I do know for a fact that our pitching was a lot better than you are seeing right now for most of the year and the offense was the problem as we were still losing plenty of games even with solid pitching.

    You need both. Some teams can be really solid in pitching and not need much O and be successful and some teams will just club you to death with their offense and win mostly slug fests. What I do know is the Yankee name and franchise, what they are known for, is their offense. When people think of the NY Yankees they think of POWER, not who is painting the corners. “Bronx Bombers” not the “Bronx Toe-Slabbers”

  189. chicken_stanley September 7th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    Your Name – You’ve convinced me!!! I am now a Sox convert!!!! LOL.

    Boston is a better team this year; granted… Lackey, though? A # 4 starter at best… Quality starts? The most ridiculous stat of all time. What about Doub? Gonna tell me how many quality starts he has this year? or, his strikeout to walk ratio? Maybe his ERA+?

    What I tried to express was – you are welcome here… but only if you want to discuss baseball in an intelligent manner. If you are only posting to crow about the Sox, well, you might want to reconsider.

  190. Your Name Here September 8th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    It’s tough take an intelligent invite from someone who refers to lackey’s stats this year as a #4 at best. When he’d be a #2 on your staff,only behind Kuroda and that is questionable.

  191. chicken_stanley September 8th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    Your Name – OK. Your opinion of Lackey and mine vary greatly. I can accept that. We agree to disagree. :)

  192. UnKnown September 8th, 2013 at 12:07 am

    The good news is tomorrow is a gigantic sports day, I mean HUGE!! So I will have zero interest in what horse tomorrow gets beaten to death over and over and over and over and over and over again. There is about 3 running themes here that just get completely beat to a bloody pulp and for some reason there is never a final conclusion. I highly doubt talking about it again all day or all next week is going to matter. Have fun though. :grin:
    (correction I KNOW that there won’t be a conclusion)

    Yankee baseball and NFL tomorrow. FEED ME!!

  193. chicken_stanley September 8th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Unknown – Apparently, I like beating dead horses. :)

  194. UnKnown September 8th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Peace Out.

    Let’s get a win tomorrow and keep that hope candle flickering.

  195. chicken_stanley September 8th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Goodnight Your Name – I’m sure we’ll be jousting again in the future :)

  196. UnKnown September 8th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    I don’t know Stan, have you been involved in this silly pitching vs offense discussion that isn’t going anywhere? I have not been paying any attention at all, just enough to notice that most of the posts are about that topic. Which is totally fine, do it up. People can talk about whatever they want, no problem with me. It does get tedious, but whateves. It’s all good.

    I just wanted to look at how many games were actually games that could have been easily turned into victories with a little offense. I mean any offense at all. Before August our offense absolutely stunk to high heaven. Now their a force and we can’t get anyone out. Go figure. Oh well, YCPB. I just think the pitching is getting a really bad rap. It was pretty darn good for most of the year or we would be under .500 with how our craptastice our offense was for most of the year. AND guess what all that matters is tomorrow because we’re still in this thing baby!!

    M’s Win!!

  197. JimK September 8th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    To the numbers people out there, I am sticking with my Cleveland prediction.

  198. UnKnown September 8th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Tribe are the team to watch and biggest threats to our playoff chances.

    OK. Peace (deuces) I’m Out.

  199. J. Alfred Prufrock September 8th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    LMAO we’re still only 2.5 out.

  200. J. Alfred Prufrock September 8th, 2013 at 12:41 am

    Lackey’s a piece of crap who lucked out that Joe was on some kind of suicide mission today.

  201. J. Alfred Prufrock September 8th, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Tomorrow morning, when I go get a carton of SkyTop Farms milk in my grocery, I have no doubt Dellin Betances’ picture will be on it, and underneath that picture it will say:

    Have you seen me?

  202. BIG AL September 8th, 2013 at 7:05 am

    There is no joy in Mudville.

    The “O” has finally come thru, while the pitching has turned into Pooh.

    From his Ivory Tower, Hal is heard screaming, “It’s Cashman’s fault, he put this team together not me, not me, and it’s he that should be swinging from a tree.”

    When asked to comment about Hal’s remarks, Cashman simply smiles, turns away and says; Yeah, right.

    Further south, in the Sunshine State, Randy L. is spotted dancing around a beach camp fire chanting; “I’ve won, I‘ve won, the Yankees are done, I’ve won, I’ve won the Yankees are done.”

    What else is there to be said but, R.I.P.

    With a crack in my heart, and a tear in my eye, I’ll turn off the lights, and say Goodbye.

  203. joeman September 8th, 2013 at 7:10 am

    MTU September 7th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
    Lee is not going to be a Yankee.

    ———————————–
    this is so very true

  204. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 7:23 am

    Good morning.

    Gonna be out all day and away from my devices. Ok, maybe I’ll surreptitiously take out the old iPhone to check the score once or twice. Even though the season is now a lost cause. ;)

    Randy, I was speaking specifically to the last three games where the Yankees offense scored what is usually more than enough to win. Had they had this offense earlier in the year, combined with the pitching they had earlier in the year, they’d have won considerably more games. But sticking to the last three games, if the bullpen, the strongest part of this team and most reliable all season to ths crucial point, if that bullpen had performed the way they were reasonably expected to, the Yankees would have won all three games. I will give the Sox yesterday’s game, grudgingly, but even yesterday’s game, if the bullpen had stopped the bleeding at 6 runs for the Sox, even 8, the Yankees win that one too.

    I think it is clear you need both a good offensive team and a team that pitches well. I think you need at least two, but preferably three starters to give you a consistent 7 innings and a lights out bullpen.

    I also think you need an offense that can consistently score more than the average ERA of the teams in their league.

    I have a lot of gripes with certain things that have been occurring with the Yankees, but I have no control over any of that, and I also don’t have access to all the information they have. Which is not the same as saying I believe they use all their information to make the best decisions 100% of the time, just acknowledging they are in a better position than I am, than we are, to make any decisions regarding the team.

    Balance wins, as long as the balance is good pitching, good defense and good hitting. Emphasis on the good. Maybe even very good, it should be.

    In the regular season, really good hitting will win a lot of games, since over the course of the season you are more likely to face mediocre pitching and mediocre teams. The Yankees in the past decade plus have won their division, or the first wild card, by beating up on bad pitching and bad teams, and by playing good teams tough and occasionally beating good pitchers. Since getting some players back from the DL, and not having to play the Lillibridges of the league, their at bats are better, and they are a better offensive team.

    I don’t think this team was nearly as strong offensively as its been, I think they had enough if everything went well, but we’ve already discussed this, and my feeling is they gambled too much and tempted fate.

    But I can see why they decided they needed to focus on pitching. They have had powerhouse offensive teams that got shut down in the post season by teams with as few as two excellent starters going back to 2001 with Johnson and Schilling. They never had a problem in the regular season; I can understand where the ideology came from that they needed something (pitching) to cross that barrier that was real.

    The mistake is they needed to add pitching, but they needed to not subtract nearly as much offense, and if you’re going with a theory of run prevention from the catching side, you need someone better than Chris Stewart has been. Shoulda held on to Molina if that’s how you were going to go. And I don’t want to denigrate Stewart. He’s played far more than he should have been called upon to do.

    You’re right that there is more than enough time in the off season to discuss everything else. You should know, though, that I’ve always been one to let things unfold and then take a look, and I do change my opinion based on changed facts or circumstances. The outstanding information about the Yankees concerns the finances and whether or not they are being coy about the possibility of selling the team.

  205. Against All Odds September 8th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    LOL @ Prufrock. Dellin probably thinks he did something wrong

  206. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    As for beating Pedro Martinez, didn’t some of that have to do with getting to him at the 100 pitch mark?

  207. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    I am not liking the message being sent to Betances. They brought him up, then brought in two pedestrian pitchers to fill out the bullpen, and used them first. What are their plans for him?

    His outings have been mixed, absolutely. But yesterday was a perfect opportunity to get him some work, if nothing else. I guess they don’t want to audition players they may actually have a use for in the futur, but they will throw in a couple of pitchers that you know have absolutely no chance at being in the ML club in a week, much less next year.

  208. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    Good morning. Start your day off right.

    Went to a car show yesterday.

    Here’s a couple of photos :

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109721757058432487394/albums/5921210977644043921?authkey=CO-j5rfh_oHOrQE

    Enjoy.

    :)

  209. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    MTU,

    Those old cars may not have been energy efficient, but they sure had personality!!

  210. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Doreen-

    That’s for sure.

    The blue one cost the price of a small home to build.

    I like the older ones too.

    Although I’d have no problem driving away in the Ferrrari.

    ;)

  211. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Which should the Yankees be ?

    Old car with personality or a sleek modern Ferrari ?

    :)

  212. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    MTU

    That’s easy! A combination of both!!

    Lol

  213. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Maybe the Yankees should be a “hybrid” ?

    Half Pitching and defense and half Offense.

    You definitely get more mileage that way.

    :)

  214. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Great minds think alike, MTU!! Especially early on a Sunday morning!

  215. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Remarkably the yanks have lost no ground over the last 3 games…..the rays have allowed the yanks to stay alive……lets hope they pay for it

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock September 8th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    The Red Sox are a hybrid, but definitely weighted on the hairy, ZZ Top side of things, since their pitching isn’t very convincing.

    Not only do they have Dusty Pedroia, they also have Dusty Hill: that’s hybrid.

    Off to the Meadowlands to witness I know not what.

    Still 2.5 out only, so might as well play to win! I’ll have my trusty Iphone.

    Good day, all.

  217. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Blake-

    The Yankees have shown little indication that they are up to the task of defeating the better teams.

    We face the O’s and Boston on the road next.

    The chances of coming out of those the way we need to are very, very slim IMO.

    ;)

  218. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    MTU,

    Agreed…..but they should be dead and have been allowed to hang around

  219. pat September 8th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    A vocal minority advocates releasing Derek and/or Alex but the money owed them doesn’t get released so what low cost alternative that would be an upgrade are they being replaced by?

  220. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    MTU,

    the Yankees did beat Boston at Fenway 2 of 3 just a short time ago. Same with Orioles. I still thnk anything is possible. And at least they don’t face Tampa in Tampa.

    Hey, I’m not delusional, I know the probability is not favorabkem but baseball is that odd duck, where the results quite often defy the odds. :)

  221. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Blake-

    Zombies just walk in circles.

    :)

  222. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    **favorable

  223. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Doreen-

    As a Fan I don’t blame anyone for not giving up hope even when there is the slightest chance.

    My feeling is that, though the Yankees have put up a brave effort, they are simply too worn out to finish the job.

    Guess we’ll see. And I sure hope you are right.

    :)

  224. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    September 8, 2013 at 8:28 am
    A vocal minority advocates releasing Derek and/or Alex but the money owed them doesn’t get released so what low cost alternative that would be an upgrade are they being replaced by?

    If there is such a vocal minority then they are know nothings

  225. J. Alfred Prufrock September 8th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    pat September 8th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    A vocal minority advocates releasing Derek and/or Alex but the money owed them doesn’t get released so what low cost alternative that would be an upgrade are they being replaced by?
    ////

    Sure let’s release the two best Yankee position players of nearly the last decade so Hal can reach his artificial bullseye of 189.

    Rah team

  226. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    MTU,
    Pretty much….but they could be 4.5 or 5.5 games back this morning rather easily …,,so while they look dead on the field…..they still have some life in the standings at least

  227. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Jeter will know when it’s time to call it quits.

    No one will have to say anything to him.

    I say he works out hard this Winter and comes back for an encore.

    Kind of the way Mo has done things.

    He goes out on a positive note.

    :)

  228. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    “Sure let’s release the two best Yankee position players of nearly the last decade so Hal can reach his artificial bullseye of 189.”

    It wouldn’t help the budget really at all especially with Alex…..you still have to pay him and you’d have to pay Jeter too if he takes his option.

    Some fans are dumb

  229. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Jeter needs to shut it down this year and focus on gettin right for 2014

  230. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    MTU,

    Practically speaking, the pitching looks too tired, and even if they gt to the post season, and even if they win the play-in game, I would be surprised if they could muster up the reserves to get much further.

    Or they could continue through on adrenaline.

    But I think the offense as it stands now could definitely make a push.

  231. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    If Robertson is just they are screwed unless Hughes steps up big time

  232. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Doreen-

    As you pointed out the pitching has worn down.

    And you can’t really get anywhere with just an Offense.

    The strength of this Team has been it’s pitching.

    We’ll be better next year. We’ve done the best we could with massive injuries. We’ve come farther than anyone had a right to expect.

    My eyes are turning in the direction of next season.

  233. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Even as my heart says, “Don’t let go just yet.”

  234. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    MTU says:
    September 8, 2013 at 8:46 am
    Even as my heart says, “Don’t let go just yet.”

    Your heart will go on MTU

  235. blake September 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    I made smoked Mac and cheese yesterday and it was good enough to make me not even care about the game

  236. randy l. September 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    “Hey, I’m not delusional, I know the probability is not favorabkem but baseball is that odd duck, where the results quite often defy the odds.”

    doreen-

    when the red sox were there down to the yankees in the playoffs in 2004 the yankees had won game three 19-8 for a 3-0 advantage.

    this means the red sox has to win 4 in a row. that’s 1/2×1/2×1/2×1/2= .0625 chance of winning that weries after game three.

    the yankees have an .08 chance right now of making the playoffs.

    so you’re right , it’s possible.

  237. randy l. September 8th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    “I made smoked Mac and cheese yesterday and it was good enough to make me not even care about the game”

    what did you smoke it in ? :)

  238. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I have grave doubts a winter of rehab will make a difference for Jeter. Playing everyday with a twice broken ankle at 40 is very unlikely. Playing much at all may be a question. I agree Derek should be the one to decide, but what if he doesn’t take the additional year on his contract set at $8.5M, as I recall?

  239. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Mac-

    His legs are weakened from the lack of playing time.

    Once he strengthens them again I’d bet he’ll be fine.

    :)

  240. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    I think it’s possible Derek Jeter could start 2014 with the intention of playing for another contract and about midway through, after a couple setbacks with the balky ankle, decide to announce his retirement at the end of the year. I think 2014 is his last year with NYY and I also feel the Yankees will negotiate a settlement with Arod to take effect after his suspension is determined – so 2013 is the last of Arod.

    I think Nunez stays at SS. How many trades did he manage to avoid over these past few years? We know about the Cliff Lee one.

    One of the most fascinating parts of the winter will be to see what they do with 3B.

    The most satisfying part will be the end of Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain.

  241. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Buster-

    I agree on A-Rod. I believe he is done as a Yankee.

    I think Jeter has at least one more good season left in him.

    At least that is my hope.

    The could go the cheap route or the smart route at 3b.

    The cheap route is a combo of Reynolds and Adams.

    The smart route is to trade for a 3b of the future.

    ;)

  242. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    MTU,

    Ankle pain after almost a year will not be rehabilitated. He would be the first to do so. In my mind, very unrealistic. What do you do if he wants $10-15M for next year with the budget? I have two thoughts–he shouldn’t opt out, but if he does, it will be ugly with the team.

  243. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Mac-

    I don’t think the ankle is as much the problem as the legs not being in prime condition.

    Guess we’ll find out.

  244. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    He has ankle issues right now according to all the reports.

  245. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Mac-

    He might but IMO they are caused by him not having full strength in his legs to take some of the pressure off the ankle.

    It’s just a hunch.

    Probably completely wrong as usual.

  246. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    MTU,

    If he doesn’t accept the team option, what should the team do? I think it would be a huge PR loss for Jeter if he does after this year. If he does, the Yankees, if acting with any logic, would not re-sign him. You can’t pay big money to a guy who very well may be crippled from a baseball sense. I have as much range now at short.

  247. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Yeah the ankle has screws in it permanently and we don’t know about all the tendons and stuff. That area is very complex. I rolled my right ankle running sideways across a hill in 2005. That was 8 years ago and it still hurts if I sit Indian style too long. So nothing is broke – but the tendon never healed. I probably had a slight tear of something. I realize surgery comes into play but I’m not sure how helpful that would be with all the other moving parts maybe compensating.

    I think Jeter will try again in 2014 and he will decide to retire somewhere during the season and he will play out the year on and off the DL- hobbled by the ankle. Maybe he sneaks in a Kirk Gibson moment.

  248. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    MTU,

    I sure hope he can come back, and I too have the Derek Jeter can do it feeling at times. Then, I think that he too has a human body with years of pounding. They sure have to keep Nunez.

  249. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Mac-

    I think he’s coming back.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    :)

  250. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Maybe Derek winds up playing SS less and DH’ing more.

    He hasn’t forgotten how to hit.

    And his leadership qualities are invaluable.

    ;)

  251. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 8th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Is there a new core building in the NYY minor league system? The 20 year walk in the desert started 3 games ago.

  252. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 8th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Is Jeter going to ever marry and have a family? Maybe all of the clubbing has weakened his ankles?

  253. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Don’t know if there will be a new core, that’s a longshot, but I think the Farm will produce something of value.

  254. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Derek does not really have the bat you want at DH. Good teams have a DH with power. Can he play fifty games at short and DH fifty? Maybe.

    Again, does anyone think they should pay him large money is he opts out?

  255. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Mac-

    If Jeter opts out it means he wants to retire.

    I don’t think he’ll do that though.

    Like most great players he’ll want to be sure the tank is empty.

  256. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “I think Nunez stays at SS. How many trades did he manage to avoid over these past few years? We know about the Cliff Lee one.”

    I certainly hope not…..Nunez has been below replacement level this year. Despite the occasionally line drive in the gap he hits he’s just not very good

  257. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Personally my dream scenario is that Jeter forms a consortium like Magic did and buys the Yankees from the Steins.

    ;)

  258. randy l. September 8th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “52% of teams that finished with a top 8 run differential were elite in at least one category. Teams that were elite run preventers had a higher probability of finishing in the top 8 than elite run producers (64% vs. 57%). ”

    trisha-

    i don’t mean to be rude, but are you spinning things or just being logically challenged ?

    the above says “run preventers”.

    run preventers means defense too. defense is everyday players. you are mixing everyday players in with pitchers.

    that’s not the same as saying Pitching Wins.

    not even close.

    here’s the thing, when you get an elite offensive player you often get a pretty good defensive player

    if you want to say “really good pitchers plus really good defensive players wins” you are mixing in everyday players in with pitchers.

    that’s a different argument than Pitching Wins.

    for example what happens if you get a really good offensive team that is a really good defensive team?

    does that beat a really good pitching team with a good offense?

    when we break it down, i’m saying teams with really everyday players beats out teams with really good pitchers only.

    so my argument is refined to building a team around everyday players. and then adding the best pitchers you can with the resources left.

  259. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Jeter needs to play 3B next year and they need to find a real SS……

    Alex is gonna be suspended most of the year and Detek could slide over there and do ok I think……he wouldn’t have to move as much laterally and his lack of mobility wouldn’t be as much of an issue…..Jeter is a master at coming in on balls and although the angles are different I think he could adjust and do fine there……

  260. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Andrus would be my #1 target if the Rangers want to dump his contract…..if not then Aybar would be another good target…..or Asdrubal …..or even trying to get Peralta on a one year deal.

    Nunez isn’t the answer at SS…..

  261. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I brought up the opt out because yesterday Buster had his budget showing him at $15M. This is not a criticism of Buster, but he is among many who doesn’t think he will opt out. Maybe not now after a third issue.

    When he does retire, I want him to do it in the style and grace he has always displayed. I hope he doesn’t opt out.

  262. randy l. September 8th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    “for example what happens if you get a really good offensive team that is a really good defensive team?

    does that beat a really good pitching team with a good offense?”

    correction:
    “does that beat a really good pitching team with a good defense?”

  263. austinmac September 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    If Jeter comes back, there is no way on earth they add a shortstop to play regularly and pit him at third. Good idea? Yes. Will they do it? No, I don’t think Jeter would. Pride has it’s positive and negative sides.

  264. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Derek wouldn’t have much leverage to opt out now…..I think he will pick up the player option for 2014 and try to get healthy and productive and then see what happens

  265. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    “If Jeter comes back, there is no way on earth they add a shortstop to play regularly and pit him at third. Good idea? Yes. Will they do it? No, I don’t think Jeter would. Pride has it’s positive and negative sides.”

    Well Jete really wouldn’t have a choice…..j don’t think he’d like it but if he wants to keep playing and can’t get the ankle healthy enough to play SS then I think he will adjust and deal

  266. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I just hope Hal takes the extra money he will have available next season and plows it back into improving the Team.

    If he tries to cheap it out there is going to be a Mutiny of major proportions.

    The Team needs a 3b of the future, an everyday C, and a power hitting left-handed DH.

    And if Kuroda or AP will not return they will need a mid-rotation starter.

  267. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Also, the red sox had three straight seasons missing the playoffs. They were last place last year. The Yankees, with all their problems this season will not finish in last place, are still in contention for a playoff spot (albeit barely) and will likely finished above .500. For a decaying team, I’d say they’re doing a pretty good job this season. Not what weave come to expect, not what we would prefer, and o be we’d like them not to,have to repeat, but in face of very strong negatives (whatever the genesis), nit nearly as bad as it could have been

    And, over the past many years the Yankees and Red Sox have played each other fairly even up. So I’m not about to over praise them this season

    And, the fact that Lester has improved like a thousand percent over last season has something to do with their success too is season.

    And the beards.

  268. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Doreen-

    And don’t forget the milkshakes.

    They love their milkshakes.

    Builds strong bones.

    :)

  269. Doreen September 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    And, at the time, the Yankees and any one else had no idea they were developing a core. That was something that, um, developed over time.

  270. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    .296 .342 .437 .780

    _________

    Nunez in the 2nd half.

    Jeter will take the option or risk not being asked back due to his ankle. And Jeter definitely has a choice where he plays. He will either play SS or nothing at all. I think he will DH a ton next year and they will go with Nunez to balance the budget and spend more on 3B instead if they spend in the infield at all.

  271. Shame Spencer September 8th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    blake – I don’t think shifting him over is a bad idea. But I also don’t know if he’d agree.

    I’d be shocked if Jeter opted out after a season like this where he’d have no leverage and, to be honest, it just doesn’t seem like something he’d do. He’s a prideful guy.

  272. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Nunez has been worth -1.3 wins this year

  273. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Blake,

    Peralta, Aybar, Andrus, Asdrubal – they’re not happening. I can see Asdrubal after 2014 but only after Nunez proves he’s not sufficient. And you can conclude he’s already proved that but he has yet to play consistently. His second half numbers show what he can do after regular playing time over an extended period.

  274. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Nunez has been worth -1.3 wins this year

    _________

    Whatever the calculation is, I think it’s completely inaccurate and not very useful in determining a player’s value.

  275. Against All Odds September 8th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    —————–

    That;s the big question. Will he say yes we had injuries but there are other things we need to do to improve or we had injuries and the same thing won’t happen next yr so let’s roll with what we have.

  276. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “His second half numbers show what he can do after regular playing time over an extended period.”

    Small sample….and he’s been his usual shaky on defense.

    Nunez is 26 years old and a 4A player IMO. He’s useful but not somebody that should be startin for the Yankees

  277. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    AAO-

    Even w/o many of the injuries they will have holes that still need to be filled.

    I tried to list several of them.

    They can always try to go the cheap route but I doubt that cuts it.

    If they are not addressed properly it will be a sure sign that Hal wants to sell.

  278. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    The persistent support for Nunez here has always mystified me.

  279. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    I don’t think the Steinbrenners will sell. IMO tax impacts will dissuade them.

  280. Against All Odds September 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    They can always try to go the cheap route but I doubt that cuts it.

    If they are not addressed properly it will be a sure sign that Hal wants to sell.

    ———————————

    Yep that will be waving the flag to the fan base and it will get ugly.

  281. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Well Blake the Yankees see Nunez’ second half numbers and they see he’s hitting .343 over the past month and they know he makes league minimum and they also see some progress in his defense and they see the speed on the basepaths and the base stealing ability and they figure they have Derek at least part time in 2014. So I think he gets one last chance. Otherwise you’re trading assets for someone like Asdrubal Cabrera and he’s going to be a free agent in 2015 anyways. And they’re going to give big money to a #2 starter before they give it to a SS who thus far in his career has merely mirrored Nunez’ hitting stats.

  282. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    WYH-

    Dreaming never hurts unless there’s a big rock under your pillow.

    ;)

  283. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    AAO-

    Actually it will be more like flipping them the bird, and I hope they won’t put up with it.

    ;)

  284. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    MTU-

    LOL, I never heard that one before.

  285. blake September 8th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    “Well Blake the Yankees see Nunez’ second half numbers and they see he’s hitting .343 over the past month and they know he makes league minimum and they also see some progress in his defense and they see the speed on the basepaths and the base stealing ability and they figure they have Derek at least part time in 2014″

    If they think Nunez is the answer at SS then we are in more trouble than I thought

  286. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    So why is 26 a bad thing but for someone like Michael Morse who didn’t hit until he was 29-30, is a must-have, even though he too can’t play defense.

    Maybe Nunez, like Morse, is just a late bloomer.

  287. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    If they think Nunez is the answer at SS then we are in more trouble than I thought

    ___________

    That’s not what they think at all.

    What they think is they will grant him one more year before they arrive at what they think. After 2014 they will determine if Nunez is the answer at SS. And so we’ll all just have to wait and see most likely. So scratch Andrus and the rest for now and get used to one more year of Nunez and hope he can post his 2nd half numbers over a full year.

    .296 .342 .437 .780

    When a player earns league minimum, that’s hardly a gamble, especially when the decision will be made within the confines of a tight budget.

  288. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    @JB 9:58am

    I have occasionally seen a player who started to hit after 26, but I can’t recall one who started to field after that age.

  289. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    I’m kind of inclined to agree with Buster on how the Yankees will handle their SS situation.

    They have too many other needs to fill 1st.

  290. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    What about Alfonso Soriano?

  291. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    MTU-

    I agree with you and JB that is what the Yanks will do, but I also agree with Blake that if the Yanks go with Jeter and Nunez at SS next year it won’t be pretty.

  292. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Wave,

    But by going with Jeter and Nunez at SS it releases funds to do other things. So if you want Andrus or something pretty at SS, you end up with an ugly situation somewhere else like 3B. At SS you have 2 guys. At 3B you have zero. Like MTU said, too many holes.

  293. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    WYH-

    Things have to be prioritized.

    Of course they can just settle it for the next 5yrs. by getting Tulo from the Rox.

    I told ya’ I like to dream big.

    :)

  294. blake September 8th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Bret,

    I agree that that’s probably what they will do….

  295. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    3b is a gaping hole.

    And the starting C situation isn’t much better.

  296. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    The Yanks will keep Soriano and he will be their left fielder next year, but it will be a mistake. He will have an OPS+ in the 105-110 vicinity with a low OBP. Given the Yanks’ offensive woes they need more than that from LF.

  297. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    ARod will get his suspension significantly reduced and that will make the third base situation simultaneously better and worse.

  298. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    WYH-

    Soriano can be platooned with Almonte if they like.

    Almonte can kill righties and his fielding is better than expected.

  299. Shame Spencer September 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    I still don’t get why you hate Gardner so much but like Nunez.

  300. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    WYH-

    He still will be out for most of the season if not all of it.

    I don’t think the Yankees want him back. I figure he’s gone.

  301. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I’m with you MTU.

    My priorties would be in order

    1) #2 starter (Kuroda or Lee)
    2) 3B (We will have zero options)
    3) C (We have Romine and Murphy, maybe Cervelli)
    4) An OF contracted beyond 2014 (we currently have zero)

  302. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    5) SS (we currently have 2 options)

  303. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    MTU-

    I have this feeling a Soriano/Almonte platoon is neither likely nor a winner, but if it worked I would be happy. But I would not be happy until it worked.

  304. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Buster-

    It must be the supplements I take.

    :)

  305. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    WYH-

    I think Almonte has already shown that he has a propensity to be able to hit righties effectively.

    I think we’ll find out more next season.

  306. blake September 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Moving Jeter to 3B and getting a real SS solves two problems at the same time.

  307. Wave Your Hat September 8th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    MTU-

    I figure ARod gets the suspension reduced to 100 games or less, leaving the Yanks in a quandary over whether to find a real third baseman or simply to muddle through. I lean towards the muddle through prediction.

    In any event you will see ARod in pinstripes.

  308. blake September 8th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Is love to see a Choo/Soriano platoon in LF.

  309. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I’d be very interested in Kendrys to be our LH Dh/1b.

    He would balance things out.

  310. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Jeter is a solution at 3B? I’ll believe that when I see it. How many years are we getting out of him at 3B that we wouldn’t get out of him/Nunez at SS?

  311. blake September 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    The Yankees have chosen the muddle through option each of the last 4 offseasons more or less…..I don expect that to change with them looking to cut payroll

  312. Russell Munson September 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Least Valuable Players in baseball according to Baseball Reference’s version of WAR.

    Player: WAR
    Jeff Keppinger: -2.5
    Eduardo Nunez: -1.9
    Adeiny Hechavarria: -1.7
    Yuniesky Betancourt: -1.7
    B.J. Upton: -1.5
    Mark Kotsay: -1.5
    Rob Brantly: -1.4
    Mike Morse: -1.4
    Jordan Pacheco: -1.3
    Paul Konerko: -1.3
    Xavier Paul: -1.2
    Reid Brignac: -1.2
    Jeff Francoeur: -1.2
    Tyler Moore: -1.1

    If Nunez is an answer, you are asking the wrong question.

  313. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    IMHO they will muddle through all their priorities except priority number one – #2 starter

  314. Russell Munson September 8th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    I don’t think Jeter has the reaction time to play 3B.

  315. blake September 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Jesus Bustero says:
    September 8, 2013 at 10:20 am
    Jeter is a solution at 3B? I’ll believe that when I see it. How many years are we getting out of him at 3B that we wouldn’t get out of him/Nunez at SS?

    For next year yes…..it’s still easier to find a 3B than a SS. Headley will be a FA after 2014…..maybe Jagleo will take off and be ready by 2015 etc……they need a real SS to replace Jeter

  316. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    WYH-

    Perhaps for part of next season but that’s it.

    If he does come back your muddle thru scenario is more likely.

  317. randy l. September 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    “If he tries to cheap it out there is going to be a Mutiny of major proportions.”

    mtu-

    the irony with hal is that while trying to be cheap he spends more in the long run because his cheap parts keep breaking down.

    what hal needs is the baseball equivalent of AAA auto travel insurance.

    if you’re going to drive a beater, you better have AAA :)

    all kidding aside, i think hal is going to need absolute rock bottom failure where he’s made fun of on letterman before the reality of the situation sinks in to him.

    hal doesn’t mix with everyday people the way george did.

    way back in the mid eighties george was sitting with the hall of fame QB otto graham in the stands with regular people at a white sox yankee spring training game. he was five rows or so in front of me and my dad. my father bet me i wouldn’t go talk to george.

    so when graham got up and left for a bit, i walked down sat down in his empty seat and said “hi george, i’m randy”. he thought it was funny and talked with me for maybe five minutes about the yankees. i told him i had a trade for him. he said “ok, run it by me”.
    he was having problems with ken griffey at the time so i suggested trading him for reggie now with the angels. his whole family sitting in front cracked up. george slapped me on the shoulder as i left when graham came back ad said “nice meeting you”.

    george for all his faults could mingle with regular yankee fans. hal couldn’t do this. first of all he wouldn’t sit in the cheap seats with fans. then he’d have security all around him. if i approached hal like that someone on his staff would probably have had me thrown out of the park.

    hal is a stuffed shirt. not evil. just detached from fans. if he mingled with more he’d get what it is to own the yankees a lot better.

  318. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Muddling thru will be a disaster IMO.

    That is not the way to go.

    Especially not when they’ll have beaucoup dollars to spend and obvious holes to fill.

    Hal better not pick that door.

    They’ll be trouble waiting on the other side.

  319. randy l. September 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    jeter carried the yankees for a really long time.

    it’d be nice if there were a team around him that would carry him in his last year or so.

  320. Jesus Bustero September 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    it’s still easier to find a 3B than a SS.

    __________

    Which is why they need an extra year to figure out SS. If they can do something long-term about 3B right now, they shouldn’t hesitate. Arod is a statue.

  321. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    A-Rod is having his last hurrah.

    It would be nice if he exits stage left for good after this season.

    As Buster said he has no range and is more suited to being a DH right now.

    We don’t need one of those at his prices.

  322. Madrugador September 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Not sure why Arod would exit after this season unless he were to suffer a career ending injury. I don’t see him wanting to leave all that money on the table.

  323. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    The Yankees need to start thinking about what kind of Team they want to be as they transition to the future.

    If it were me I’d do 2 things :

    Look at what has worked well in the past.

    Look around at successful Teams and see how they are constructed.

    IMO there is no need to re-invent the wheel.

    Just to re-discover it.

  324. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Because the Yankee will be able to afford to buy him out at that point and he will not be serving any useful purpose any longer.

    They got nothing from Pavano or Igawa.

    Combined that was about 100 mil.

    They can make A-rod disappear after next season.

  325. DONNYBROOK September 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    - SUNDAY MORNING MUSINGS -

    (1) Jeet playing hurt because the season is on the line. A-Rod sits. What New?

    (2) You can’t get blood out of a turnip. The majority of the Yankee Chuckers in this series have been Nobody’s. This explains the scores.

    (3) Allowing R\Sox hitters to swing from the heels is foolish. They gotta be backed off the plate.

    (4) The taters being surrendered by upper level Yankee Farm Hands, only serve to validate Firing Cashman. Hughes and Chamberlain likewise.

  326. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Randy-

    If Hal tries to cheap out next season I’m joining forces with your rebels for sure.

    ;)

  327. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Because other than greed there will be no excuse for it.

    And I don’t like greedy people.

    And I sure as heck don’t like greedy rich people.

    :)

  328. Madrugador September 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Not much in baseball would make me happier than to see Arod disappear after 2014.

    Why the Yankees as a team seem to have avoided using the beanball as a tool is beyond me. Napoli needs to get plunked if for nothing else as a message.

  329. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Mag-

    I think you’re gonna get your wish.

    ;)

  330. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    About a-rod I mean.

  331. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Randy-

    Very interesting story about George.

    And that was very smart on his part because he was getting good feedback.

    And we all know that good feedback is one way we can improve things.

    Insular feedback just distorts.

    I’m constantly amazed at your nerve.

    I kind of admire your pluck.

    :)

  332. Madrugador September 8th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Back to work for me.
    Hope we can salvage one and save some face today.

  333. MTU September 8th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Mag-

    I think that very much depends on Hiroki.

    The O has been doing just fine.

  334. Triple Short of a Cycle September 8th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I enjoy football and am looking forward to the Giant game tonight but man I really hate how much more popular Football is then Baseball

  335. Against All Odds September 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    MTU September 8th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    AAO-

    Actually it will be more like flipping them the bird, and I hope they won’t put up with it.

    ;)

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    I don’t think they will. I think the fan base is ready to pop just based on how the season is going. If Hal does the we’ll be fine with minor games game the fans won’t stand for it.

  336. Against All Odds September 8th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    but man I really hate how much more popular Football is then Baseball

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    You can blame Selig for that.

  337. Melkmanisinhotlanta September 8th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Randy, great George story!

  338. Triple Short of a Cycle September 8th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    You can blame Selig for that.

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    Selig isn’t responsible for Fantasy Football and Gambling. 2 Huge reasons why football is very popular

  339. Against All Odds September 8th, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Triple Short of a Cycle September 8th, 2013 at 11:25 am
    You can blame Selig for that.

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    Selig isn’t responsible for Fantasy Football and Gambling. 2 Huge reasons why football is very popular

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    He’s to blame for underselling the game. Of all the major sports baseball doesn’t promote its stars enough.

  340. jmills September 14th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    I just youtubed, ” Patrick Kane stick handling ” OMG!

  341. jmills September 14th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/7.....#038;rel=0

    Triple, this one’s for you, what a dirty mutha’ that Hunter was.

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