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Yankees looking for more from the rotation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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There was a time this season when the Yankees rotation was pretty good. The starters were generally healthy, pretty reliable, and a couple of guys put together legitimate streaks of dominance. But those days seem long gone right now. At this point, the rotation might be the Yankees weak link, leading to early deficits and putting extra strain on a bullpen already weakened by injuries.

Hiroki KurodaHere are the past four turns through the rotation.

8-26 – 4.2IP, 7H, 5R, 3ER, 3BB, 3K (Hughes)
8-27 – 7.0IP, 5H, 0R, 0ER, 2BB, 3K (Pettitte)
8-28 – 5.0IP, 9H, 7R, 5ER, 1BB, 4K (Kuroda)
8-30 – 5.2IP, 7H, 5R, 5ER, 1BB, 4K (Sabathia)
8-31 – 9.0IP, 3H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 5K (Nova)

9-1 – 6.0IP, 7H, 2R, 2ER, 0BB, 3K (Pettitte)
9-2 – 1.1IP 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K (Hughes)
9-3 – 6.1IP, 7H, 4R, 4ER, 2BB, 7K (Kuroda)
9-4 – 7.1IP, 5H, 3R, 3ER, 4BB, 4K (Sabathia)
9-5 – 4.0IP, 5H, 3R, 3ER, 2BB, 3K (Nova)

9-6 – 6.0IP 5H, 3R, 3ER, 3BB, 8K (Pettitte)
9-7 – 3.1IP, 8H, 9R, 9ER, 0BB, 2K (Huff)
9-8 – 6.0IP, 5H, 2R, 2ER, 2BB, 6K, (Kuroda)
9-9 – 7.1IP, 7H, 4R, 3ER, 2BB, 6K (Sabathia)
9-10 – 6.0IP, 6H, 4R, 4ER, 2BB, 2K (Nova)

9-11 – 6.1IP, 9H, 3R, 3ER, 1BB, 3K (Pettitte)
9-12 – 3.0IP, 3H, 1R, 1ER, 0BB, 3K (Hughes)
9-13 – 6.0IP, 8H, 5R, 5ER, 2BB, 2K (Kuroda)
9-14 – 6.0IP, 9H, 5R, 5ER, 4BB, 5K (Sabathia)
9-15 – 4.0IP, 6H, 5R, 4ER, 4BB, 2K (Nova)

A lot of fours and fives in the earned run column, and a lot of sixes in the inning pitched column. Four runs in six innings is a 6.00 ERA, and that’s not going to cut it. The past three turns through the rotation, CC Sabathia has been the only Yankees starter to pitch through the seventh, and those games weren’t particularly dominant, just effective enough to lift some of the burden off the relievers.

It’s true, some of these guys have looked worn out lately, but the Yankees don’t really have reliable alternatives that would let someone skip a turn. And frankly, there aren’t many turns left. Clearly the medicals say that Ivan Nova is healthy enough to pitch, and Hiroki Kuroda showed last time out that, even on a bad night, he can turn things around and give the Yankees a rally.

These are the Yankees starters. There’s no reason to think the rotation is going to change, it just needs to be better.

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33 Responses to “Yankees looking for more from the rotation”

  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    I understand that the Yankees are looking for more from their rotation. Getting more is the only way they are going to have a chance. But I don’t know realistic it is to be looking for more. The rotation is beat up, plain and simple. Common sense tells you that when one part of the team has to work triple time to hold up another part – and both parts have had their stints – you start to deficit spend. Add to it that some of the rotation just did not have the kinds of years we expected them to, well it’s been a tough roe to hoe.

    Sometimes the totally underachieving teams end up playing spoiler at the end because they are playing a lot looser with nothing to lose. So I wouldn’t take any team we’re going to face for granted, especially since the Yanks are so beat up at this point.

    But nobody can say they’re not trying.

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    “You say it’s a lack of class on Boston’s part. I say it’s a lack of a sense of humor on the part of those who feel like you do.

    It’s not a funeral, it’s farewell to a respected adversary and they had a little fun at his expense in the process. Lighten up Francis.”

    I was really happy to hear the “other side” this morning because last night if you opined that it was a nice sendoff for Mo, those who unequivocally knew better let you have it both barrels. Curry was also impressed with the sendoff. I was too.

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Those of us who clearly remember the August massacre at fenway in 2006 understand that sometimes you’re the windshield, and sometimes you’re the bug. More often than not, the Yankees have been the windshield. Hope for the best for the rest of the season and understand that the slate is wiped clean once the new season starts.

    That’s baseball, Suzyn.

  4. YanksPats September 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm


  5. Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    There have been times this season I thought the Yanks were done, but for some reason I don’t think they are. The pitching is capable of good performance. I’m more worried about the offense with Gardner and maybe ARod out and Soriano hurting.

  6. Niblick September 16th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Those are some awful numbers.

    As to what the Yankees thought of the Mo sendoff, I think Girardi’s post-game comments spoke volumes.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 16th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    I don’t know what his post-game comments were but I do know that he wasn’t in the happiest of moods anyway so maybe you have to take that into account- unless he came right out and said it wasn’t so cool.

  8. bruceb September 16th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    No team – not even the red-hot Sox – could win with those kind of numbers, especially when the pen is just as bad or not worse. I’ll actually be surprised if the Yanks manage to win the series in Toronto, let alone sweep it as they need to do.

    To my mind, their chances of making the playoffs realistically disappeared at the end of August. They’ve only been kept alive by the failings of others.

  9. austinmac September 16th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    The article about a possible change in the posting system may actually harm the Yankees. The discussed change is to allow the top three bidders to have the right to negotiate with the player. That will end up with the player getting a larger salary thereby hurting the cap number.

    The Rangers have been at every Tanaka start this year according to the Dallas paper. With Darvish’ success I think they will be all over Tanaka.

  10. tomingeorgia September 16th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    There’s always more to talk about in the early season, mid season, or the off season. With 12 games to go, there’s nothing left to do but hope for the best. Go, Yanks!

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    tomingeorgia, are you for or against guys like JR Murphy and Zoilo Almonte getting in on the pursuit of October? Betances to pitch some meaningful innings?

    I say Girardi needs to get some complementary youthfulness onto the front lines to fortify our chances.

    I can desire that and hope at the same time, can’t I? I think if we dunk the kids in the deep end, our hopes may stand a better chance! :D

  12. 4TrainNorth September 16th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    I know this has been addressed at great length on here, but what a shame that we don’t have a young arm to showcase at this time of year. I realize teams has different strategies for this sort of thing, but there’s just no starter on the farm right now whose debut would cause even a shred of excitement.

  13. tomingeorgia September 16th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    I fully agree with you on this score. These kids are here for a reason, and the regulars are showing very little. Let’s get them in there., and continue to hope!

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    tom, there’s a bargain well made! :D

    Do it, Joe! The clock is ticking.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    4TrainNorth – Ramirez got hurt (although no one seems to want to discuss it), DePaula’s on a learning curve at Tampa, Brian Mitchell and Shane Green and Nik Turley all pitched well in leading the Thunder to the EL championship.

    Plenty to be optimistic about for the future – other high-end arms in Charleston and below. Even Heredia appears to be healthy again.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Wave Your Hat September 16th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    There have been times this season I thought the Yanks were done, but for some reason I don’t think they are.

    Yeah I can’t name it, but I don’t feel like we’re done, either.

  17. austinmac September 16th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Playing the young kids doesn’t seem to me to reduce the chances of winning now. Almonte will hit at least as well as Ichiro. Murphy will outhit Stewie and perhaps do everything as well catching wise except the mystical pitch framing. Betances will pitch as well as many in the pen, if not better. It would be nice to have a look to see how much we should count on them next year.

    Looking to the future doesn’t have to be destructive of the present.

  18. bruceb September 16th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Who’s going to be the ace of the Yankees’ staff in 2014?

    Is CC going to have a bounce-back year or is he done?

    I had hopes that Nova might mature into a front-of-the-rotation starter but after seeing him pitch his last two games against the Red Sox, I don’t think that’s going to happen.

    Will Kuroda be back?

    Will Pineda be healthy and, if he is, will he be any good?

    Can the Yanks afford to re-sign Cano AND buy a decent starter?

    It’s a real Johnny Nash (there are more questions than answers).

  19. tomingeorgia September 16th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I wouldn’t mind bringing up Mustelier, either. They could find a use for him at 3rd, 1st or the outfield.

  20. luis September 16th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Good afternoon guys,


    Thanks for your kind words last night… I didn´t reply because I was honestly spent… It was to be expected that Betances would show some rust… He hasn´t pitch in ages!…


    I think Nova is hurt… It was obvious in his previous start… The thing now is why are they sending him out? worse, why do they irk every time they are asked about the potential injury?.. Are they really going to risk Nova´s future for a slim chance of actually making it to the PS?.. I´ll tell you one thing though, Rothchild lost me for good.

  21. 4TrainNorth September 16th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Intrigued by Brian Mitchell, and still have some hope for DePaula. I’m not familiar with Heredia – I just think of Felix, and then I get upset.

  22. luis September 16th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    And yes… It is time to see the youngsters out there

  23. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    It would be nice to have a look to see how much we should count on them next year.

    Looking to the future doesn’t have to be destructive of the present.

    Austimac, well said. In some cases, it can be constructive for the present. Other teams manage to allow young guys to pitch out of the pen more than we do, and let position players have a bigger role. In fairness, Almonte got hurt but he’s back now and Ichiro looks like he is severely taxed. Murphy is just a better hitter than Stewie, regardless of league.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    primo, the Nova situation is troubling. If they knew he has been having these issues “for a while now” then why did he pitch that CG? He was brilliant that outing and didn’t seem to labor but he has not pitched well since. The lack of sink and the poor shape and location on his curveball speak of discomfort, as well as that walking around the mound and rolling his arm up and down.

    Everything comes out in the wash. I hope it’s just late-season arm fatigue that rest takes care of, but it is concerning.

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Heredia is a RH whose changeup some compared with Pedro’s, earning him the nickname “little Pedro”. He’s been derailed by injuries but is apparently finally healthy. He started a game for Scranton this year, not because he’s really at AAA level, but because Scranton was out of starters at the time. He pitched well, though I didn’t see it.

  26. bruceb September 16th, 2013 at 2:11 pm


    I’d like to believe the Yankees wouldn’t risk Nova’s future by starting him if he were injured…but I know you have studied his action closely and don’t believe he is right. I guess this triceps issue is still bothering him?

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    tomingeorgia September 16th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I wouldn’t mind bringing up Mustelier, either. They could find a use for him at 3rd, 1st or the outfield.

    He would be a good line drive contact guy to have but he’s not on the 40-man. Flores is, but he isn’t as experienced and he’s an OF, so they wouldn’t bring him up this late in the day.

    It’s too bad Musty kept getting hurt. We might have seen him otherwise.

  28. tomingeorgia September 16th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    How hard would it be to designate Joba or Zagurski?

  29. UnKnown September 16th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    I suppose we pull for the Rays against TX. At least we have games against TB yet so we can control that aspect. Pull for the Royals as well because those are the only tough games Clev has left. And sadly we’re back to hoping Boston can beat Balt.

    Everything these next two weeks needs to come up aces. Let’s push it BEYOND exhaustion and see where we end up 14 days from now.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    tom, Girardi likes arms. Lots of arms. And he’s got a problem now with even Andy not being able to go much deeper than six. But with position players now dropping like flies, too, I don’t know where you begin to try and patch the leaks.

    But we have to go for it.

    There is a tide in the affairs of men
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries
    On such a full sea are we now afloat
    And we must take the current when it serves
    Or lose our ventures.

    Didn’t end well for Brutus, but he and Cassius fought ’til the bitter end.

  31. pat September 16th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Young player generating some buzz: Miguel Andujar. Top international signing for the Yankees two years ago.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock September 16th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Andujar is the 3B prospect I’m most excited about, just based on that video and some of the scouting reports on him.

    He should be in Staten Island soon if he keeps progressing, and probably won’t be there for too long. Short window for short season on Andujar.

  33. yankeefeminista September 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Ditto on Andujar. Wonder if he will go straight to Charleston next season or if we will get a look at him in SI. I am thinking Charleston wins out.

    Badler also has a scouting report based on a recent outing on Tanaka. He said he was topping at 96, splitter looked devastatingly and he was also throwing a slider, a two seamer, cutter, and a curveball (more of a show me pitch). Hope we are in on him.

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