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Pettitte announces upcoming retirement

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Here’s the announcement from the Yankees…

Andy PettitteThe New York Yankees today announced that LHP Andy Pettitte will retire following the 2013 season.

Statement from Andy Pettitte:

“I’m announcing my retirement prior to the conclusion of our season because I want all of our fans to know now—while I’m still wearing this uniform—how grateful I am for their support throughout my career. I want to have the opportunity to tip my cap to them during these remaining days and thank them for making my time here with the Yankees so special.

“I’ve reached the point where I know that I’ve left everything I have out there on that field. The time is right. I’ve exhausted myself, mentally and physically, and that’s exactly how I want to leave this game.

“One of the things I struggled with in making this announcement now was doing anything to take away from Mariano’s day on Sunday. It is his day. He means so much to me, and has meant so much to my career that I would just hate to somehow take the attention away from him.”

Pettitte, 41, owns a 255-152 (.627) career record with a 3.86 ERA (3,300.0IP, 1415ER) in 529 appearances (519 starts) over 18 Major League seasons with the Yankees (1995-2003, ’07-10 and ’12-13) and Houston Astros (2004-06). At 103 games over .500 in his career, is the only active pitcher—and one of just 26 pitchers in Baseball history—to post a record of 100-or-more games over .500. Of the 25 other pitchers to accomplish the feat, 18 have been enshrined in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

Originally selected by the Yankees in the 22nd round of the 1990 First-Year Player Draft, Pettitte has played 15 seasons with the club, going 218-126 with a 3.95 ERA (2,780.1IP, 1,220ER) and 2,009 strikeouts in 445 games (436 starts). He is the franchise leader in strikeouts and is on pace to finish his career tied with Whitey Ford (438) for the most starts in Yankees history. He trails only Ford (236 wins, 3,171.0IP) and Red Ruffing (231 wins, 3,168.0IP) in wins and innings pitched as a Yankee and ranks fifth in franchise history in appearances. He appeared in eight career World Series (seven as a Yankee), winning championships with the Yankees in 1996, ‘98, ’99, 2000 and ’09.

Pettitte is the all-time winningest pitcher in postseason history, going 19-11 with a 3.81 ERA (276.2IP, 117ER) in 44 career starts. He also ranks first all time in postseason starts and innings pitched, and is second with 183 strikeouts. His personal career postseason win total is more than that of eight other franchises (Kansas City-18; Arizona-17, Seattle-15, Milwaukee-14, San Diego-12, Tampa Bay-11, Colorado-9 and Montreal/Washington-7). As a Yankee in the postseason, he has gone 18-10 with a 3.76 ERA (251.1IP, 105ER) in 40 career starts. While winning his final World Series with the Yankees in 2009, he became the first pitcher in Baseball history to start and win the clinching game of all three series in a single postseason (ALDS vs. Minnesota, ALCS vs. Los Angeles-AL and WS vs. Philadelphia).

This season, Pettitte has gone 10-10 with 3.93 ERA (169.1IP, 74ER) in 28 starts. On September 6 vs. Boston, he struck out David Ross swinging to become the first Yankee in franchise history to reach 2,000 strikeouts with the club. With his 10 wins in 2013, he has now earned at least 10 victories in 14 different seasons for the Yankees, surpassing Ford (13) to set a new franchise record (credit: Elias).

Pettitte will finish his career as one of 12 players to spend at least 15 seasons with the Yankees. He joins teammates Derek Jeter (19 seasons with the Yankees) and Mariano Rivera (also 19), Todd Helton (17 seasons with Colorado) and Paul Konerko (15 seasons with Chicago-AL) as the only active players to have spent at least 15 seasons with their current team. Pettitte has earned the win in a game in which Rivera also earned a save 72 times in his career, marking the highest win-save combination for any pair of pitchers since saves became an official statistic in 1969 (credit: Elias).

A Louisiana native and Texas resident, Pettitte also pitched three seasons with the Houston Astros from 2004-06, going 37-26 with a 3.38 ERA (519.2 IP, 195 ER) in 84 games (83 starts) and appearing in the 2005 World Series vs. Chicago-AL.

Pettitte, a three-time All-Star (1996, 2001, ’10) and 2001 ALCS MVP, holds the distinction of being the only pitcher in Major League history to pitch at least 17 Major League seasons (1995-2010, ’12) without ever finishing with a losing season. He also posted a winning record in each of the first 13 seasons of his career (1995-2007), marking the third-longest such streak to begin a career all time, trailing only Hall of Famers Grover Cleveland Alexander (17) and Cy Young (15).

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314 Responses to “Pettitte announces upcoming retirement”

  1. sunny615 September 20th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Thanks for everything Pettitte. You are the very definition of a classy Yankee. Enjoy retirement.

  2. MTU September 20th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Looks like most of the Amigos are going to ride off into the Sunset together.

    Would have been great to send them off w one more ring.

    Hope Jeter can make it back for his last hurrah.

    One door closes and another opens.

    Just the way it is.

    ;)

  3. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    jacksquat September 20th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    austinmac September 20th, 2013 at 11:57 am
    Pettitte is leaving in part due to the crumbling state of the team. Isn’t that encouraging?

    He said this?

    I do wonder if Cano sees the same thing. He probably doesn’t want another year of Wells providing him lineup protection.

    Pretty sure Cano is not so stupid to not know next year he would have at least Teixeira and Soriano behind him.
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    I don’t think the Cano and Pettitte situation are remotely related.
    Pettitte has been wanting to retire for year and went so far as to take
    2011 off.

    Cano is about to become a free agent and is looking to get paid.

  4. JM September 20th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Andy McCullough @McCulloughSL

    Pettitte says tough part of decision is the timing of Rivera’s goodbye. “I would just hate to somehow take the attention away from him.”

  5. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Thank You Andy for all the wonderful years wearing a Yankee uniform

  6. Doreen September 20th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Thanks, Andy!

  7. longtimefan September 20th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I’m sure it had nothing to do with the decision, but the look on Andy’s face the other night in Toronto when Cano failed to even run down the line to first in a crucial game said a lot, this is not the yankees of the Pettitte era, sorry to see Andy go, he and Mo, two of the true yankees at heart that I’m not sure we will ever see again.

  8. Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Thanks Andy and Best of Luck in the future. Hope to see you helping out at ST next year

  9. MTU September 20th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Thanks for memories.

    Both have good lives to return to.

    They will be missed.

    Catch you all later.

  10. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    1996 WS game 5 is my favorite Yankee pitchign performance of all time

  11. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    longtimefan September 20th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    I’m sure it had nothing to do with the decision, but the look on Andy’s face the other night in Toronto when Cano failed to even run down the line to first in a crucial game said a lot, this is not the yankees of the Pettitte era, sorry to see Andy go, he and Mo, two of the true yankees at heart that I’m not sure we will ever see again.
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    Let’s be real, the true reason Andy is retiring is because his performance is not up to
    his standard. Don’t think for 1 minute the reason is because Cano did not run out a ball
    in Toronto.

  12. Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Andy’s finest hour IMO was his game 5 performance in the 96 WS, outdueling JOhn Smoltz to give the Yanks a 3-2 lead in that series going back home. Always wonder if the 2004 ALCS would have turned out different if we had Andy in game 7 isntead of Kevin Brown.

  13. longtimefan September 20th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Let’s be real, the true reason Andy is retiring is because his performance is not up to
    his standard. Don’t think for 1 minute the reason is because Cano did not run out a ball
    in Toronto.

    Assuming you can read, that is what the first part of the sentence said–

  14. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    would we rather have won in 01, 03 or 04?

  15. Mike in Harrisburg September 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Andy will be missed.

  16. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    next thing you’ll tell me is that the Beatles announced they are breaking up

  17. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Longtime fan – ok, so you agree that Cano had nothing to do with Andy retiring.

    Then, what was the point of your comment about the look on Andy’s face, other than to take another gratuitous shot at Cano?

  18. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    Longtime fan – ok, so you agree that Cano had nothing to do with Andy retiring.

    Then, what was the point of your comment about the look on Andy’s face, other than to take another gratuitous shot at Cano?
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    THANK YOU!!!

  19. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    I would LOVE to here Stick’s private thoughts about the quality and depth of our minor league system – I wonder what he sees ahead for this listing ship

  20. longtimefan September 20th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    Longtime fan – ok, so you agree that Cano had nothing to do with Andy retiring.

    Then, what was the point of your comment about the look on Andy’s face, other than to take another gratuitous shot at Cano?

    I think Cano is a great player but IMO, his lack of hustle to first is a flaw in his game

  21. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Never seen so much hate for a perennial gold glove 2B, a great hitter, and a guy who has missed 13 games in 8 years.

    I hope Longtime fan enjoys watching Corban Joseph or David Adams next year.

  22. longtimefan September 20th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Warning Track Power and Niblick either the same person or just 2 different a-holes

  23. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    longtime – You can’t have engage in a discussion without calling people names?

  24. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    Longtime
    Obviously you are not capable of having a conversation here on the blog.
    Resorting to name calling is very immature.

  25. Mordot11 September 20th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Is it possible that the lack of hustle to first has allowed Cano to remain ridiculously healthy? I understand the value of hustle, but in a completely objective sense, how many games do you think are changed because a guy ran hard to first? How many times in nearly 20 years has Jeter reached first only due to the fact that he runs hard out of the box every time?

    Now how many guys have blown hamstrings and destroyed seasons? I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, but having Cano on the field 155 games a year is probably worth a lot more wins than him busting it out of the box on a slow grounder to first 100% of the time.

  26. longtimefan September 20th, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Niblick aka Warning Track Power

    Hope you enjoy your own company this afternoon

  27. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Mordot11 September 20th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    Is it possible that the lack of hustle to first has allowed Cano to remain ridiculously healthy? I understand the value of hustle, but in a completely objective sense, how many games do you think are changed because a guy ran hard to first? How many times in nearly 20 years has Jeter reached first only due to the fact that he runs hard out of the box every time?

    Now how many guys have blown hamstrings and destroyed seasons? I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, but having Cano on the field 155 games a year is probably worth a lot more wins than him busting it out of the box on a slow grounder to first 100% of the time.
    ———————————————————–
    I understand your post and you do make a point.
    I think “perception” is what hurts Cano the most. I have not seen every game in his career, but I have seen many incidents where Cano did not hustle out of the box and that either cost him a single or cost him an extra base.
    Since those incidents have happened over the course of his career, I can correctly describe Cano as not always hustling out of the box.
    Where I can’t say the same for Jeter or ARod(when healthy) because in my mind, those 2 are examples of players who hustle out of the box. Even on a routing ground ball in the infield.

    Cano should have learned to run hard out of the box and then look at the ball 2nd.
    He does the opposite and when a player does that often enough, that practice will come back to bite them.

  28. TheStraw September 20th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Take Andy’s money and possibly HIroki’s and make a big offer to Shields in the offseason.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    No matter what the Yankees have in mind for Sunday’s ceremony, I think the thing that would blow me away most is if Metallica is actually there playing Enter Sandman. I equate so many things with Mariano, but who can ever hear that song without thinking about Mo and how it probably depressed every opposing team who had to hear it?

    Chad mentioned they are playing at the Apollo Saturday night. I don’t think there’s a question that they will be part of the ceremony. Hearing it for the “last time” will definitely mess me up.

    Never more than now do we have to let the following saying be our umbrella: Don’t cry because it’s over. Smile because it happened.

    And MTU, I totally agree with you. We will find a new normal, new heroes, and renewed faith.

    I refuse to feel bleak about 2014 or any other year because where there’s life, there’s hope.

  30. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Cano has grounded out 190 times this year. How many times could he actually have reached safely had he “hustled”? 5? 6? The overwhelming majority of those plays are routine, easy plays.

    A lot of “hustle” is simply false hustle. Like it or not, running hard on every single ground ball just doesn’t buy you that much.

    So all of this Robbie hate for maybe 6 plays in a season.

  31. Mordot11 September 20th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    WTP– I agree that perception hurts Cano, along with how easy he makes most things seem on the baseball field. I also think it hurts him that Yankee announcers go nuts over the fact that he doesn’t run out a grounder to first. I understand it’s the pros and it shouldn’t happen, but there are far worse sins as a baseball player, and to not resign him citing his “lack of hustle” as the main reason would be a mistake in my opinion.

  32. austinmac September 20th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Folks act as if Soriano will be good again next year. They are the same ones who bought Ichiro’s so-called revitalization. Soriano will be who he has been the last two years, if we are lucky. Better than w e have, but not a clean up hitter on a good team.

  33. hardwired7 September 20th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Pettitte, a Southern boy who left his eternal mark on the Yankees, much like The Gator.

    Hopefully he follows in Guidry’s footsteps and stays active with the team.

  34. austinmac September 20th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    The Royals have an option with Shields, I believe. They will exercise it.

  35. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    Cano has grounded out 190 times this year. How many times could he actually have reached safely had he “hustled”? 5? 6? The overwhelming majority of those plays are routine, easy plays.

    A lot of “hustle” is simply false hustle. Like it or not, running hard on every single ground ball just doesn’t buy you that much.

    So all of this Robbie hate for maybe 6 plays in a season.
    ——————————————————————————–
    I agree with you to a certain extent and I do feel there are appropriate times when a player does not have to hustle out of the box on a routine ground ball.
    But when the routine ground turns into a miscue by the defense, a non-hustling batter is thrown at at 1st base, instead of reaching safely.

    Let’s not forget the balls that Cano thinks are HR’s, only to have the ball hit the wall. Next thing the viewers see is Cano standing on 1st base. That is unacceptable and has happened too often.

    Believe me, I’m a HUGE Cano fan and hope he plays his entire career in pinstripes. I will take the good with the bad.
    I have given up on the idea Cano will win a batting title(s). I understand he is currently the best player on the team, etc….

  36. Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    “Take Andy’s money and possibly HIroki’s and make a big offer to Shields in the offseason.”

    Sheilds is not a free agent. Has a club option for next season which the Royals will almost certainly pick up.

  37. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Mordot11 September 20th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    WTP– I agree that perception hurts Cano, along with how easy he makes most things seem on the baseball field. I also think it hurts him that Yankee announcers go nuts over the fact that he doesn’t run out a grounder to first. I understand it’s the pros and it shouldn’t happen, but there are far worse sins as a baseball player, and to not resign him citing his “lack of hustle” as the main reason would be a mistake in my opinion.
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    yes. i agree 1,000%

  38. hardwired7 September 20th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    “I hope Longtime fan enjoys watching Corban Joseph or David Adams next year.”

    Actually, I think Hal’s plan will be to bring back Brendan Ryan and have him play both short and second simultaneously. Think of the savings!

  39. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    hard – at least it’ll be easier to play the shift.

  40. Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    would we rather have won in 01, 03 or 04?

    ________________________________

    As painful as 04 was, I’d have rather won in 01. Winning that WS after the devastation of 9/11 would have meant a great deal to the city of NY, even though being there was a big lift. Also cause Paul O’Neill would have retired a World Champion, and with 4 straight titles no less.

  41. Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    WOuld like to see Yanks bring in Stephen Drew or Johnny Peralta to play SS next year. Becuase of the Biogenesis mess though, I bet they stay away from Peralta.

  42. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    would we rather have won in 01, 03 or 04?

    ________________________________

    As painful as 04 was, I’d have rather won in 01. Winning that WS after the devastation of 9/11 would have meant a great deal to the city of NY, even though being there was a big lift. Also cause Paul O’Neill would have retired a World Champion, and with 4 straight titles no less.
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    I feel the very same.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    I have heard enough about Robby not hustling out of the box to last me a lifetime. Let me say this. I am willing to give credit to those who have observed it and say it may be an accurate observation and may happen from time to time.

    To me, that’s just Robby being Robby. I think he sometimes gets lost in the moment. (Not that it makes it right of course, and yes it can end up costing the Yankees sometimes.)

    But let me also say this. To me, his absolute excellence more than makes up for the few lapses we may see. I would still fight for him tooth and nail because he is one of the greatest 2B and natural athletes I’ve ever seen.

  44. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    strangely, I’ll take ’03

    i feel like we DID win in ’01

    and in ’04, well, with pitching like that I still wonder how we got so far

  45. 86w183 September 20th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Can we get back to giving Andy Pettitte some acknowledgment and praise and give Can’s lack of hustle a day off?

    There is no Cano hate here, but there is frustration with sporadic effort.

    As for Andy. He has had a better career than a number of Hall of Fame pitchers. If Nolan Ryan, Gaylor Perry, Don Sutton, Phil Niekro and Bert Blyleven are in the Hall of Fame (and they are) then Pettitte and Mike Mussina should be too.

    Pettitte has a better ERA + (best way to compare starters from different eras) and better W/L percentage than all five of those Cooperstown enshrinees I already mentioned. Pettitte is the ONLY one of the seven pitchers I mentions who has never had a losing season.

    Pettitte also has more post-season wins (19) than the five Hall of Famers combined (14).

    And most importantly, he has an awesome birthday — June 15 !!

  46. Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    I can’t beleive all this Cano hate. Just wait til next year if he is gone and someone like Corban Joseph is playing 2nd base. Will these same hates be happy with that? Maybe as a consulation, they’ll say. “Never mind his 220 BA. At least he runs out every ground ball”

  47. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    The whole notion that Cano “should” win multiple batting titles was absurd. In the minors, he batted over .300 exactly twice – .301 in 2004 for Trenton in 74 games; and .333 for Columbus in 2005 in 24 games. Not exactly the kind of stats that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that he’s a sure batting title winner.

    However, he’s become a great hitter and a great fielder. Many Yankee fans don’t appreciate him; if the front office doesn’t, I’m sure he’ll find a team that does. And we’ll be much the worse off for that.

  48. Hankflorida September 20th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Trisha, I agree that where there is life, there is hope. Hope fades if Hal’s master plan is to keep the payroll lower but enough to have a team that could compete better for the Wild Card in regard to the other low payroll teams and thus, keep the fan interest up. Kipling wrote, ” in the valley of the blind, the one eyed man is king, and that may be the message that Hal is sending to us.

  49. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Tackelberry September 20th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    I can’t beleive all this Cano hate. Just wait til next year if he is gone and someone like Corban Joseph is playing 2nd base. Will these same hates be happy with that? Maybe as a consulation, they’ll say. “Never mind his 220 BA. At least he runs out every ground ball”
    ———————————————————————————–
    HATE is a very strong would and I think using that word currently to describe some
    of the posts about Cano’s occasional lack of hustle is the wrong choice of word to use.

  50. pkyankfan69 September 20th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    I know the likelihood is probably about a 0.0001% chance… But, what would the Yanks do if Andy had a perfect game heading into the 9th on Sunday? Would Mo not pitch on his own day?

  51. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    The whole notion that Cano “should” win multiple batting titles was absurd. In the minors, he batted over .300 exactly twice – .301 in 2004 for Trenton in 74 games; and .333 for Columbus in 2005 in 24 games. Not exactly the kind of stats that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that he’s a sure batting title winner.

    However, he’s become a great hitter and a great fielder. Many Yankee fans don’t appreciate him; if the front office doesn’t, I’m sure he’ll find a team that does. And we’ll be much the worse off for that.
    ———————————————————————————
    When the media and national t.v. announcers discuss how many batting titles Cano is going to win season after season, well the fans will start to believe the hype.
    This year I heard John Kruk discuss Cano and once again talk about how Cano will win a batting title soon. I laughed. The idea is ridiculous.

    Who says the front office does not appreciate Cano? Is the front office supposed to give Cano whatever years and money he wants? This is a business and the business has to survive.
    If Cano wants all the years and all the money in the world, then I think it’s only fair the Yankees move aside and allow him to find that contract elsewhere.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Hankflorida, here’s another way to look at it. Hal is still learning. Even though he may have been somewhere on the payroll or masthead, he really had little to do with the Yankees when his dad was still alive. He hasn’t been immersed in the game all of his life. Hopefully this year was a learning experience for him, and he’ll find better ways to assemble a team.

  53. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    How will Mo handle the hill in Houston’s CF?

  54. Chip September 20th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Been a while folks.

    Thankfully I’ve been busy as this miserable season comes to a close.

    A few thoughts on Andy and misc other Yankee stuff:

    1. Andy’s a great Yankee and 46 will be retired, but he’s not a Hall of Famer

    2. Do I think Andy’s announcement takes anything away from Mo’s day on Sunday? No, and more than that I don’t think Rivera would care if it did.

    3. I think this has to do with being old, not the state of the Yankees.

    4. Do I think that if the money’s on par with what the Yankees would offer Cano would go to a team that’s more lined up to win? Yup probably.

    5. I know technically the team is still in it, but in reality they’re not. I would play Murphy and Almonte over Stewart and Ichiro/Wells from here on out.

    6. There’s no reason for Phil or Joba to pitch again for the Yankees this season.

    7. Of all the Yankee free agents, aside from Cano, I would like them to retain Mark Reynolds. He fits their needs next year in a lot of ways and has been better with the glove than I thought he would. I would also keep Brendan Ryan as an upgrade over Jayson Nix. Offensively he’s actually worse than Nix but if you can’t count on Jeter then having Nunez and Ryan is a better alternative.

  55. Wave Your Hat September 20th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Talking about Cano’s perceived lack of hustle reminds me of what Lincoln said about accusations that Grant drank too much – “Tell me what whiskey he drinks and I’ll send a case of it to all my generals”.

  56. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    dollars and cents aside, I guess our shoddy BP means we miss Soriano ?

  57. austinmac September 20th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    No one thinks the Yankees should offer Cano the world, but they should outbid the competitors. Why? Because without him they may well be in last place for a good while. Who exactly is their second best player? Gardner?

  58. austinmac September 20th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Chip,

    Welcome back.

  59. hardwired7 September 20th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “Would Mo not pitch on his own day?”

    Ah, but Mo will pitch: The Yankees don’t score any runs, the game goes into extra innings. Mo picks up the win in the 12th (after a pitching three innings) as the Yanks score a run on a wild pitch.

  60. Wave Your Hat September 20th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “Of all the Yankee free agents, aside from Cano, I would like them to retain Mark Reynolds. He fits their needs next year in a lot of ways”

    If the Yankee need next year is to set a modern day record for lowest team OBP, I’d agree.

  61. tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I love cano as much as anyone, and want him back for the next few years. But can anyone deny that, even when he does bust it, he’s slow? You can’t teach footspeed, so that’s not a rap, but it is true. He can do everything else, though.

    Going to miss Pettite a lot.

  62. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    if and when the Yankees start winning rings again, I am going to become the loudest Yankee fan ever to visit any stadium…I am sorry if I ruin family road trips for the rest of you

  63. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    except Philly – it’s not worth getting jumped

  64. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    I’d love to be at Sunday’s pregame Bible service to hear what Mo and Andy whisper to each other

  65. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    I love cano as much as anyone, and want him back for the next few years. But can anyone deny that, even when he does bust it, he’s slow? You can’t teach footspeed, so that’s not a rap, but it is true. He can do everything else, though.

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    I never had a problem with Cano’s lack of speed. Probably because when he made his debut his speed was not talked about.
    And what you are saying is a rap. Don’t backpedal.

  66. Hankflorida September 20th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Trisha, I hope that you are right and Hal learns from this year. If he signs Granderson and Cano that will tell us a great deal of what his intentions are for next year.

  67. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Hankflorida September 20th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
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    ———————————————————————————————
    Something I try to tell myself when it comes to free agents is that the player has to want to
    be a Yankee for him to re-sign.
    There are plenty of cases where the player does not want to play for a certain time. Thus, the GM is unable to sign that player. Unless the player or GM publicly says that player did not want to play here, fans like us will never know the back story.
    So if Granderson does not re-sign with the Yankees, maybe it’s because he didn’t want to return for his own personal reasons.
    Just something to consider.

  68. tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    WTP,
    What did I do except call him a 4 tool player? Is that bad?

  69. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    I’ll take an entire roster of 4 tool players rather than the 2 & 3 tool players we have…some are 1s. Some of our pitchers are zeroes.

  70. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Now we’re hearing complaints about Robbie’s lack of food speed. What they hell do you people want? A fantasy baseball creation?

  71. tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Niblick,
    Not a complaint, an observation. Do you disagree?

  72. yankinvegas September 20th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    I have never wavered from my opinion that we should sign Cano. On the other hand, if a team offers crazy money 250 for 10 or similar, I would probably let him go.
    Billy Beane can make all those decisions in Nov-Dec when he replaces Cashman.

  73. Hassey September 20th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Maybe his shoes are too small?

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    “Gardner excelled his career norms in some areas of his game in 2013. He was more aggressive at the plate and shattered previous extra base hit highs. At the same time, he struggled with a lot of what’s made him who he is. Gardner stole bases at the lowest rate of his career, notching just 24 over 145 games. His walk rate dipped to 8.5% and he swung at a career-high 29.4% of pitches outside the strike zone, resulting in an OBP eight points beneath his lifetime mark. Gardner’s defense suffered, too. A drop-off from the 26.7 UZR he put up in 2011 had to be expected sliding over from left to center, but he was actually below average this year at -0.4. Too much can’t be made of one year’s worth of data in UZR, and Gardner was clearly a humongous upgrade over Curtis Granderson in the field. Still it’s worth noting that as his speed declines, his outfield range will, too.”

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    He might be the only offensive trade chip that other teams might be interested in this offseason?

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  76. sammiejohnson September 20th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    vegas,

    Bean is signed with Oakland through 2019. His team has won their division two years in a row now. I doubt he is moving anywhere.

  77. Niblick September 20th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    It’s an observation, but not a particularly enlightening one, frankly. It also came across as a complaint.

    Go ahead, and find me the perfect player.

    Some people simply don’t appreciate what they have (until, of course, they lose it). Can’t wait for the whining next year about 2B.

  78. tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Niblick,
    We’ll have Cano at second next year, unless someone goes completely insane.

  79. yankinvegas September 20th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I think that Beane might want to try it somewhere else. The Yankees can pay him a lot more than the A’s. As to them winning 2 years in a row, the margin of error in Oak is next to nothing. Much greater in NY.
    You may be right. But unless you offer him, you’ll never know what the answer might be.
    I just want Cashman gone.

  80. Wave Your Hat September 20th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    “Some people simply don’t appreciate what they have (until, of course, they lose it). Can’t wait for the whining next year about 2B.”

    There is no one available that can replace Cano. However, if the bidding becomes stratosheric, the Yanks need to pass on him. They aren’t going to be a playoff team next year anyway, with or without him.

    If they do pass on him, they have to commit themselves fully to rebuilding. They won’t, though.

  81. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    WTP,
    What did I do except call him a 4 tool player? Is that bad?
    —————————————————————————–
    Accentuate the positive. That’s all I’m going to say on the matter.

  82. Shame Spencer September 20th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Chip – Good to see you around.. agree about Andy.

    Hope you’ve been figuring out some trades for 3Bs, we’ll need them in a week or two.

  83. theREALkevin September 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    They should let Cano walk, do you really think they’ll be any better next yr than this yr, even with him? No. The top levels of their farm system are weak, and theyve already admitted they’re going to spend less going forward. Commit to a semi rebuild, and spend that 25 mil per yr u would spend on cano on 2 or 3 other players.

  84. Shame Spencer September 20th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Trader – With our luck we won’t trade him in the off season and he’ll get injured in ST and won’t play for the entire year. That seems to be the Yankee version of maximizing assets lately.

  85. Shame Spencer September 20th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    theREALkevin September 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    They should let Cano walk, do you really think they’ll be any better next yr than this yr, even with him? No.

    ————

    It makes me sad that this is a prevalent opinion on here.. I’m afraid to say I have similar expectations. I hope they reverse course in the coming months.

  86. Against All Odds September 20th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Francesa on fire today

    ———————

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  87. tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Shame,
    That’s not my opinion.

  88. Shame Spencer September 20th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Shame,
    That’s not my opinion.

    ——————

    It might not be yours but it’s one that’s been repeated for a few days now by various posters and I can’t blame them. Unless we seriously retool, we come in next year with a worse team than this year. And this year was terrible.

  89. Hankflorida September 20th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    So if Granderson does not re-sign with the Yankees, maybe it’s because he didn’t want to return for his own personal reasons.

    WTP, if you are right then Granderson is leaving a Stadium that enhances his ability to hit the long ball, and a market that fits into his outgoing personality. The chances are that the call is in Hal’s corner, and Granderson leaving may be based on a better offer that Hal will not meet.

  90. DaSaint007 September 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Thanks for a fantastic career Andy! He’s a class act, a go-to guy, and has been an integral part of the makeup of this team. He’ll certainly be missed.

    With Mo and now Andy leaving, the pressure is on Jeter. He can’t however, retire now due to injury. Even if he can’t play again at the same level, he’ll try to return next year so he can leave on his own terms.

    But make no mistake, an overhaul is pending.

  91. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Hankflorida September 20th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    So if Granderson does not re-sign with the Yankees, maybe it’s because he didn’t want to return for his own personal reasons.

    WTP, if you are right then Granderson is leaving a Stadium that enhances his ability to hit the long ball, and a market that fits into his outgoing personality. The chances are that the call is in Hal’s corner, and Granderson leaving may be based on a better offer that Hal will not meet.
    ——————————————————————————————
    You could be right. I could be wrong. Or vice versa.
    I personally do not get caught up in the front office dealings. Who they sign or do not sign.
    I am not in the room. I am not part of the negotiations. So I see no reason for me to get emotionally involved in the signings or ask why this person left, etc…..

    Granderson could very well get a better offer and Hal has the right to not match that offer.
    Is that a good or bad decision? Depends on who you ask and depends on how well Granderson plays elsewhere and how good/bad his replacement on the Yankees does.

  92. bruceb September 20th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

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  93. DaSaint007 September 20th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Mo, gone.
    Andy, gone
    Kuroda, probably gone.
    CC, returning after ineffective year – hope he gains his weight back
    Joba, gone
    Hughes, possibly gone.
    Grandy, probably gone.
    Tex, returning from injury and already on the decline
    Cano, 50/50
    Jeter, returning from injury.
    ARod, not capable of every-day play at 3B.
    Stewart, not capable of every-day play at C.

    Robertson, new closer.
    2 rotation spots open
    Hughes, maybe. Prefer him in the pen.
    LF needed.
    2B – 50/50
    SS – Ryan/Nunez options
    3B needed
    C needed

  94. Warning Track Power September 20th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    DaSaint007 September 20th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    Robertson, new closer.
    ——————————————————————
    I understand Robertson is going to get the 1st opportunity to replace
    Mo, but I’m not 100% convinced he is the man for the job.
    I am skeptical and hope his performance in 2014 and beyond proves me wrong.
    I don’t think the team has any other pitcher that can better fill the role at the moment.
    If the team needs a closer due to Robertson’s failings on the mound, I think that closer
    will have to come via trade during the middle of the season.

  95. bruceb September 20th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    The issue I have with Cano is that if they don’t re-sign him, who the hell do they sign to make the team better?

    You could argue that they have so many holes the money might be better spent trying to plug them, but it’s highly unlikely they would be as successful as the Red Sox were with the acquisitions of Victorino, Napoli and Gomes.

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    Various posters have been known to be wrong.

    I’m with tomingeorgia. I definitely don’t lose heart based on what I read here! Hell I’d have no heart at all if I internalized half of what gets posted here.

    I want Robby and Granderson back, and I’m very happy with Gardner in the outfield. So until I hear otherwise, I am assuming that Robby and Granderson will be back. No need to fill your head with forecasts of dire happenings.

    Because remember – “If you imagine the worst case scenario and it happens, you’ve lived it twice.’” Michael J. Fox

    In the words of Bobby McFerrin, Don’t Worry, Be Happy!

    :)

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  98. TheStraw September 20th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Bruceb-

    I agree. The Yankees will give Cano what he wants simply because they have no other choice, from both a baseball standpoint and a business standpoint. Losing Cano, Mo and Pettitte in the same year and not having Jeter guaranteed to play will not put fannies in seats.

  99. Russell Munson September 20th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    =========================
    trisha – true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 1:51 am

    And in one of the best examples of karma that I’ve seen yet, the Arizona DBacks take great umbrage at the Dodgers swimming in the pool at Chase Field tonight after the Dodgers clinched their division. Does anyone remember what song the DBacks played after they beat the Yanks in the 2001 WS? Yes that’s right, the absolutely stunned Yankees walked off Chase field to Frank Sinatra singing New York New York.
    ==========================

    So you are saying that karma waited for 12 years to get back at the Diamondbacks, who now have a different owner, a different GM, a different manager and a completely different roster than they did when they mocked the Yankees?

    Karma’s a funny thing.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    DaSaint – great to see you back! I hope you stick around!!!

  101. MTU September 20th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Trisha-

    Good afternoon.

    Just wanted to thank you for your well wishes.

    Much appreciated.

    :)

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    karma’s a funny thing!

    About 2001 – Luis roider Gonzalez was the player whose bloop hit blew apart our 2001 dreams. I always wondered where the justice was in that. But then Mariano said he believed it was part of a larger plan because it saved Enrique Wilson’s life and that made sense. Okay that made sense too. But I decided to take a look at the Yankee roster for 2001 and Clemens the roider was on the Yanks as was Randy Velarde, who admitted to using. Okay, says I, maybe we had more roiders than they did. There’s the karma.

    Our as a Sux fan said to me recently, you can explain 2003 and 2004 in the following way. In 2003, your roiders beat our roiders. And in 2004, our roiders beat your roiders!

    Some people believe there are currently steroid users on every team in the game. I certainly don’t know that to be true or untrue. I know I strongly suspect that there’s at least one lurking in fenway. So here’s how I see the World Series stacking up. If there are roiders on every team, the team with the least roiders will win!

    note: I believe a team does have to have skill to win, not merely a lack of PEDs users!

    :)

    That said, the sooner that Arod no longer wears pinstripes, other than to weddings, the better.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 20th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    MTU – always. And you know the good wishes are always there, thick and thin.

    :)

  104. tomingeorgia September 20th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Mister MTU,
    Last night I sent an email to a few thousand past guests announcing that I and Mrs. Tom are closing our doors after the Masters next year. Got a dozen reservations in reply!

    But still, it’s bitter sweet, Can’t much longer manage to keep up the standards we’ve set for ourselves, and if we can’t do that, it’s time to quit. Getting old sucks!

    I hope your current troubles are swiftly resolved, and end happily, and that my motor home ends up in your driveway sometime soon.

    Both for you, me, and the Yankees, the times they are achanging.

  105. MTU September 20th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    Thanks Tom.

    Father Time catches up w everyone eventually.

    At least you have someone to share your old age with.

    As far as a visit goes just come on down.

    We’ll leave a light on for you.

    Appreciate the well wishes.

    :)

  106. Hankflorida September 20th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    The issue I have with Cano is that if they don’t re-sign him, who the hell do they sign to make the team better?

    Bruceb, that is the question as there is no one to take his place. Hal wants to have a competitive team even if it is for the 2nd WC, and he has not the goods in his farm system to carry then team into October. If he has the power bats of Soriano, Granderson , Text, Cano and Reynolds and a left handed DH to platoon with Welles who can reach the right field porch, Hal has enough clout with this batting order to have table setters at short, catcher and centerfield. By tinkering around, Hal can build his bullpen where his starters have to hold the fort for 6 innings.

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