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Jeter: “I’ve played my last game with those two”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera

The clubhouse was pretty quiet by the time Derek Jeter went to his locker and prepared to leave the park yesterday. He was already in his street clothes after another day of being a spectator, but he paused to ask whether any of the assembled media needed to talk him. I assume Jeter asked because he understood the situation.

Mariano Rivera’s retirement ceremony. Andy Pettitte’s last game at Yankee Stadium. The Yankees playoff chances taking a potentially devastating hit.

Jeter might not be healthy, but he’s still The Captain, and yesterday was the kind of day when he needed to say something. So Jeter said what he could say. He said the Yankees need to win. He said the ceremony was terrific. He said he was happy to see Pettitte have that curtain-call moment.

“Those guys are like brothers to me, so it’s pretty emotional at times knowing I’m not playing any more this year,” Jeter said. “I’ve played my last game with those two, but it was great.”

When did Jeter start to think about that?

“Today a little bit,” he said. “Before today, no. Our team is still trying to win games, but today when you’re standing out there for ceremonies and ovations for Andy, that’s when you realize it.”

Andy Pettitte, Derek JeterYesterday was full of realizations like that. Not necessarily surprises, but truths that were suddenly inescapable.

Pettitte really was waving to the fans as if saying goodbye. Rivera really was having his number retired, a pretty sure sign of retirement. The Yankees really were unable to score more than one run against the Giants, undone by a lineup that really had to be overwhelmingly productive down the stretch to make up for all of the offensive struggles in the middle of the season.

Now the Yankees are four back with six to play. Jeter’s still hurt. Brett Gardner’s still hurt. Austin Romine’s still not ready. It’s hard to remember that Kevin Youkilis and Travis Hafner even played this season. And a week from today, Rivera and Pettitte will likely begin their retirement just as Robinson Cano, Hiroki Kuroda and Curtis Granderson hit free agency, and Alex Rodriguez moves closer to learning his fate in the Biogenesis scandal.

There’s a lot to be said for a team that stayed in the race this long with the injuries the Yankees endure, but in the end, Sunday brought a harsh reality for the end of this season and the beginning of next.

“These guys have been brothers to me,” Jeter said. “We’ve been through quite a bit together, pretty much everything you can experience on the field. My whole professional career I’ve been playing with at least one of them, so I’ll definite miss them. … Jorge’s been gone the last couple of years; you still had the other two. Mo was hurt last year; Andy was still here. This will be the first time all of three of them are gone, so it will be a little different.

“But I can’t tell you how it’s going to be.”

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91 Responses to “Jeter: “I’ve played my last game with those two””

  1. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:05 am

    “But I can’t tell you how it’s going to be.”

    Just ask Hal and the new GM.

    ;)

  2. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    If next year is Jeter’s last, I have a feeling we won’t know about it until the year is coming to a close. I can’t see Jeter doing a Mo-style year long farewell.

  3. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:08 am

    “blake, I understand your perspective but would rather have had the Yankees in the playoff hunt for the past two months, with the chance, however remote, that they could catch some breaks and be in the World Series, than go into a dismantling mode for the sake of a better draft pick and some prospects that probably would never see Yankee Stadium.”

    I understand and I don’t even necessarily disagree with you…..however this is a recipe for mediocre teams to stay mediocre

  4. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    I think Jeter will walk away unannounced…..he will just hold a pressor one day and say I’m done and drop the mic

  5. Ys Guy September 23rd, 2013 at 9:12 am

    i think jeter will do what andy did if he gets the chance to.

    but id also say theres at least a 25% chance that jeter’s already played his last game as a yankee

  6. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Howdy Blake.

    How’s it going ?

  7. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:14 am

    One thing is for sure.

    There will be a lot of change in Yankeeland.

    Some good. Some not so good.

  8. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Let me ask a question ….as a Yankee fan which would you rather have right now

    1) the current team that fought hard and will probably finish close to the playoffs but 2-5 games out? A moral victory of some sort.

    Or

    2) young players obtained from a fire sell at the deadline and perhaps a top 10 draft pick? The team would have been woeful the last 2 months….losing most games in Mos farewell tour.

    So basically you have two choices with the same bet result for 2013 (missing the playoffs)……#1 would have been better in the present…..#2 better for the future.

    It hurts but smart teams choose choice #2…..and they get good again faster than the clubs that try to hold on to a memory

  9. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Good MTU….been on vacation and busy ….

  10. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Chip popped in the other day briefly.. I hope he has cooked up some good trade options because we’ll need to do more than utilize the FA market. That being said… who on the 2014 team can we trade? ;)

    Off the top of my head, here is the list (not a probable trade list, just a list of guys with some value however minimal): Gardner, Soriano, Ichiro, Nova, Robertson, Tex, Murphy, Sanchez, Nunez…. anyone else? I guess Austin, Mason Flores and Heathcott.. but we really need one of those guys to break out next year.

  11. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Blake-

    Neither.

    3) Both and a better team next year.

    Don’t you just hate it when I cheat and propose my own alternatives.

    Doesn’t it just make ya’ madder than heck.

    That MTU. He will never just answer my questions directly. What a pain in the a*s.

    :)

  12. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    Blake-

    Where did you go ?

    Glad you are back.

  13. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 9:19 am

    blake – I never thought a fire sale was likely or even the best approach but I am amazed at how little their last few trades have netted them. Soriano might be the best move they’ve made via trade since Granderson.. that’s 3 years of very little return.

  14. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    If you add McCann and Choo to the 2014 team that helps a lot (assuming you retain Cano). In that scenario, you probably can patch things together at 3B.. but you still need starters.

  15. Ys Guy September 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    yeah, cleveland chose option 2….like 15 years ago…so did baltimore…and the mets…

    so it’s a sure thing then!

  16. Bronx Jeers September 23rd, 2013 at 9:20 am

    I’m a choice 1 type of fan. And I have little faith that they would have obtained the “right guy” (see Pineda).

    Obviously Cano would have netted the biggest fish but I also think trading him makes it that much harder to re-sign him and I firmly believe they are going to do that.

  17. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Shame-

    Don’t worry. Chip and Bret will keep the fires blazing.

    I’ll pitch in too when I can.

    Guess I’m one the few who actually like the Hotstove season and all the speculating.

    Helps pass the time and gives me a sense of hope.

    ;)

  18. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 9:22 am

    I still like Pence a lot too.. he and Choo might end up signing similar deals.

  19. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 am

    MTU,

    Litchfield beach (SC)..

    Shame,

    The Soriano trade was a good one …..but it was never going to be enough and that’s with the absolute best case scenario with him playing out (I don’t think anybody thought he’d be as good as he was). I’m glad they have him next year though

  20. austinmac September 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 am

    86,

    You commented earlier about the lack of difference in a no. 15 draft pick and a no. 10. The principal difference is protection of this pick if you sign a tendered free agent.

    You are correct the team spend an enormous amount of money this year. You do realize, I am sure, the reason for that is they refused to sign anyone except Ichiro they would have to pay in 2014. That eliminated a huge pool of potentially cheaper players annually. Instead, we had the expensive Youkilis and Wells signings this year. In short, they overspent this year, foolishly in my view, while refusing to spend for the longer term.

  21. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 am

    And just for the record, I would have preferred the storybook ending to our season.

    :(

  22. Ys Guy September 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 am

    if they’re gonna tank and rebuild, they need to drop ticket prices in half then.

  23. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Ys Guy says:
    September 23, 2013 at 9:20 am
    yeah, cleveland chose option 2….like 15 years ago…so did baltimore…and the mets…

    No the mets chose #1 for a long time …..they finally started making good decisions a couple of years ago.

    And also nothing is guaranteed….you have to make wise decisions no matter what or nothing will work.

    The point is that right now they have really no way out of this unless they spend loads of money…..and Hal may not allow that….

  24. Bronx Jeers September 23rd, 2013 at 9:26 am

    if they’re gonna tank and rebuild, they need to drop ticket prices in half then.

    ——————–

    From unattainable to just ludicrously expensive?

  25. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    September 23, 2013 at 9:20 am
    If you add McCann and Choo to the 2014 team that helps a lot (assuming you retain Cano). In that scenario, you probably can patch things together at 3B.. but you still need starters.

    Sure they can be good next year if Hal lets Cash spend a ton of money this winter…..if not they will suck next year

  26. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    I am already adjusted to the idea than next season will be another year of transition.

    I figure it will be interesting no matter what.

    Probably will be a few significant surprises tossed in.

    I do not have a problem with it.

    I accept change as an essential fact of Life.

    Let the Hotstove begin.

    ;)

  27. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:29 am

    “Obviously Cano would have netted the biggest fish but I also think trading him makes it that much harder to re-sign him and I firmly believe they are going to do that.”

    Why? He’s going to be a FA either way and will probably go to the highest bidder either way too……if the yanks don’t pay him this winter then he will leave anyway most likely……and honestly that might be for the best if they are going to stick to the budget garbage

  28. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 am

    I think you heard Levine state what the Yankees will do w respect to Cano.

    They will make him a very competitive offer but it won’t be a blank check.

    If he just wants the highest bid he might be on the move.

    We’ll see who wants him, and how bad, soon enough.

  29. Ys Guy September 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 am

    the yankees model cant sustain itself through years of rebuilding.

    you’re saying the mets did the right thing starting what 3 years ago? and they are certainly at least 2 years from contending (i dont see them contending then but we’ll just play along with the theory…) so at best the mets would take 5 years to break it down and rebuild.

    we’re not talking about tanking one season and then getting back on top. tanking then using draft pics to rebuild is a multi year plan that will not play in Yankee Stadium, nor will it work financially for the yankees.

  30. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    The Yankee motto is “win now”.

    Doesn’t exactly allow for a lot of patience.

    :)

  31. MG September 23rd, 2013 at 9:35 am

    blake, the only team that has been successful with a fire sale concept is the Sox and they caught lightning in a bottle this year with several of their signings having career years.

    They also weren’t nearly as bad as their record last year, the team quit on Valentine and guys like Lester and Lackey came back and pitched well.

    As for this year, if the bullpen doesn’t fall apart in the past few weeks after being lights out for virtually the whole season they are probably in the playoffs and absolutely in the playoffs if CC has even a mediocre season for him.

    Anyway, it’s a moot point, the season is over for the Yankees, they have no shot at this point in time…

  32. Doreen September 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Ys Guy,

    I am bracing myself for the possibility that Jeter has a setback while working out this winter. :(

    I hope not. He deserves a better send off.

  33. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    MG-

    Be sure to drop in for a cup of coffee and a bagel once in a while.

    ;)

  34. Bronx Jeers September 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Every player/contract negotiation is different and I still believe there’s a degree of loyalty that enters the equation. If you want to marry your high school sweetheart it’s probably not a good idea to take someone else to the prom. :wink:

  35. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “blake, the only team that has been successful with a fire sale concept is the Sox and they caught lightning in a bottle this year with several of their signings having career years.”

    I think the Yankees and sox are unique because they can turn around and spend a ton after fire selling though…… Also all the guys the yanks could have sold are gonna be FAs anyway so it’s not like they’d be giving up long term assets like you sometimes see when teams rebuild ……I don’t think it’s apples to apples

  36. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Jeers-

    Good to see you.

    We can spend this Winter surfing in Ecuador, or wandering the Desert seeking enlightenment.

    That should pass the time.

    :)

  37. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Blake-

    You are trying to make gold from lead.

    The Yankees aren’t going to revolutionize themselves even if some important changes are needed.

    For that to happen the ship would have to sink.

    No where near that right now.

  38. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Another thing about blake’s fire sale idea no one should dismiss: unlike almost every other team, most of the players available with our club weren’t a part of the Yankees future.

  39. Doreen September 23rd, 2013 at 9:43 am

    I haven’t read all the comments here yet, but I wanted to say that I think this is the perfect time for change, and that any real change in the Yankees approach could not really happen until after most vestiges of the dynasty years were dropping away. As amazing as its all been, I thunk it is difficult to realistically go about moving forward when the past is so strong. It is not easy to replace players, or even talk about replacing players, who though aging are still productive. A lot easier to move forward if things are clearly faltering as evidenced by clear indicators, such as a losing season, a .200 batting average, or the inability to to throw strikes. Prior attempts to move on were ugly (Posada and Bernie) and while I think they could have handled both situations better they would only have been less ugly, but still as painful.

    They have no ties now to the past, really, which can be very freeing.

  40. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 am

    What do we have to trade that’s worth top end talent this off season…? I’m blanking.

  41. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:45 am

    I pretty much expect the Yankees to stay the course and come out w both guns blazing in 2015.

    Next year I’m figuring on just some tweaks.

  42. Bronx Jeers September 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Thanks MTU,

    While I’m sure the airfare to “enlightenment” is cheaper, $1 beers on the beach is hard to argue with. :smile:

  43. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Doreen-

    I expect this to be a more incremental process until 2015.

    Nothing revolutionary just yet.

    I do expect a few interesting surprises though.

    ;)

  44. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Jeers-

    For sure on that one.

    Good seeing you.

    ;)

  45. Doreen September 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    MTU,

    That is the likely scenario.

    Wish we could fast forward last this messy stuff. Lol

  46. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Shame-

    That all depends on how other Teams evaluate our talent.

    Might be quite different than our view.

    ;)

  47. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Doreen-

    We both know there is now no realistic way around it.

    I find the “process” interesting.

    The seeing of how you get from point A to point B.

    ;)

  48. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Yesterday I watched two lovely young people renew their vows.

    It was beautiful and moving.

    Now it’s time for the Yankees to do the same.

    Renew their vows of greatness.

    I look forward to it. I expect it will happen at some point.

    ;)

  49. Tackelberry September 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Assuming we don’t get Choo, I think ALmonte should get a fair shot at the full time RF job next year. Ichiro’s days as an every day player are over. He looks shot. He has to be a part time player, and if he doesn’t like it, then retire. I think Granderson will accept a qualifying offer since he missed so much of the season and his FA value took a big hit with it, so we could have him for one more year. Need to spend what money they have budgeted on pitching, 3rd base and SS and of course,m to resign Cano.

  50. chicken little September 23rd, 2013 at 9:56 am

    i find it odd that Cashman was not at ceremony yesterday, yet no reporter is reporting on why.

  51. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 9:57 am

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

    Thanks for pointing that out Bill.

    :)

  52. blake September 23rd, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    September 23, 2013 at 9:43 am
    Another thing about blake’s fire sale idea no one should dismiss: unlike almost every other team, most of the players available with our club weren’t a part of the Yankees future.

    Correct….. Would have been merely selling soon to be free agents

  53. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Cashman is not important. He’s a gelding at this point.

    What is important is a philosophy and a commitment to it.

    People like Cashman are only there to implement it.

    Others can do as well or better.

    It starts at the top. We need to look there for the answers.

    Barring that nothing shakes or moves expect trees and leaves in the breeze.

    ;)

  54. Shame Spencer September 23rd, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I dunno what they do with Granderson… losing him for nothing would suck. I’m starting to lean towards them making the QO figuring it gives Austin, Mason and the other kids a chance to develop for another season. I could live with an OF of Gardner, Grandy, Sori/Ichi in 2014 but they’ll need to add a bat somewhere else.

  55. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Tanaka and Ichiro on the same ball field ?

    Excellent from a marketing perspective.

    ;)

  56. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Shame-

    Trouble is they only have so many dollars to go round and many potential holes.

    Things have to be prioritized.

    ;)

  57. Doreen September 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 am

    What’s going to be hard to figure is if players want to stay, knowing next season is a rebuilding year (at least next season, and even if the Yankees deny it).

  58. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Doreen-

    It may be just semantics but I see next year as more of a re-tooling than a rebuilding season.

    Meaning that they will make a few incremental changes but do nothing revolutionary.

    I look to 2015 as a year where a full on rebuild could take place.

  59. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 am

    With the current philosophy of the Yankees I would expect the 1st priority to be to secure their pitching for next season.

    Everything else will flow from that.

    With a budget in place I think the Yankees think that Pitching and D are the way to go.

    If anything is to be neglected at all it might just be the O again. Even if it is sorely in need of many upgrades and changes.

    Sorry.

    :(

  60. bruceb September 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Morning LoHud diehards.

    Granderson drives me crazy with his ridiculous strikeout ratio…he should be putting the ball in play far more often but always seems to be swinging for the fences. He’s also a high injury risk – as we’ve seen this year – because he leans out over the plate so much. The dilemma is how do you replace his 40 home runs?

    Remember, the Yanks are already committed to Gardner, Ichiro, Soriano and Wells for next year. If you add Almonte to the list, then you could argue that they have more pressing needs elsewhere.

    I think the first thing they need to do is decide who’s going to do the catching. Are Romine and Murphy going to be capable of making a reasonable contribution with the bat? Do you try to bring Cervelli back? Or do you make a run at McCann and cut corners elsewhere?

  61. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Bruce-

    Pitching rules the roost in Yankeeland these days.

    ;)

  62. Doreen September 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    MTU -

    So the question is do players want to stay and help the Yankees retool, rebuild, or otherwise assist in re-seeding for the future, or do they want their chance to play for a team that seems better poised for post-season play?

    It could be that the players see things very differently from us, and could very well think the Yankees are still in a decent position to compete for the playoffs next season.

    But they must know the budget constraints, and they know there’s no Mariano, but they may have more faith in each other than the some fans have in them.

    It’s an interesting question to me.

    Do players wait to make their decision based on, for instance, whether or not it looks like they resign Cano? Does Cano come back easily if he knows that, for instance, Grandy is on their list to offer an QO and knows Grandy will accept this?

    Or have they spoken with each other about the possibility of too many players moving on?

    Are they comfortable?

    If 189 is the goal, it’s clear that money is an object. And if you’re looking for the best deal, it may not be from the Yankees.

  63. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 am

    The Yankees still like their veterans and tend to give them preference.

    Maybe that starts to change a little next season ?

    Or maybe not ?

    Necessity is, after all, the Mother of invention.

    ;)

  64. Against All Odds September 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Ys Guy September 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 am
    if they’re gonna tank and rebuild, they need to drop ticket prices in half then.

    ———————————–

    Good luck with that…this is te Yankees we’re talking about. :)

  65. Tackelberry September 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 am

    THey have a ton of money coming off the books, including whatever money they save on Arod’s suspension, even if it is reduced to 100 games or so. So there is room to maneuver. WOuldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall in the conference room when they have their organizational meetings to formulate their offseason plans?

  66. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Doreen-

    In 99% of all cases IMHO it gets down to money.

  67. bruceb September 23rd, 2013 at 10:33 am

    MTU

    They better hope and pray that CC has a bounce-back year and that Pineda pans out. Rotation looks pretty thin right now, and I notice that the calls for Kuroda to be re-signed at any price have quietened in recent weeks.

  68. Against All Odds September 23rd, 2013 at 10:34 am

    chicken little September 23rd, 2013 at 9:56 am
    i find it odd that Cashman was not at ceremony yesterday, yet no reporter is reporting on why.

    ———————-

    Interviewing for another job.

    http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/.....wledge.jpg

  69. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Bruce-

    I am more confident that CC will adjust than that Pineda will succeed in a big way.

    But what do I know ?

    ;)

  70. Niblick September 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Maybe Cashman had a hot date with Louise Meanwell.

  71. Hassey September 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Cash was hiding in the Metallica speaker because he didnt get an invite

  72. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Cashman might have been doing one of 3 things :

    1) Rappelling

    2) Skydiving

    3) Interviewing for another position

    :)

  73. austinmac September 23rd, 2013 at 10:47 am

    MTU,

    They cannot wait until 2015 to spend. Their are or will be very few free agents to sign. They need to get involved this winter in the international market and sign whomever they believe to be the best of the group.

    I also don’t see how they can make minimum changes with about a dozen players leaving. Minimal changes would make the yankees the worst team, with a possible Astros exception, in the league. A terrible outfield, no 3B, no catcher worthy of starting, a major question at SS, two starting pitchers returning, the closer gone.

    Mark my words. Remind me of them next year. If they band aid again, they will finish in last place, with little hope on the horizon.

  74. Hankflorida September 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Tackleberry, with Gardner playing center, you are right as Suzuki is not what they need for next year as they should have a power left handed bat in right field to platoon with Welles, and Almonte may not be the guy to reach the seats as Swisher did. Soriano could be a perfect DH for next year as he is getting up there in age. The Yankees could sign Reynolds for 3rd base as they wait for A-Rod. With Cano and Granderson in the line up playing with a healthy Text, the Yankees can get to the numbers that will give them a Wild Card spot. The Wild Card changes the way one plays the game as you do not have to be the best to get to the dance floor.

  75. austinmac September 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    That is interesting that Cashman wasn’t there. I do wonder if he is tired of his emasculation and the blame that will surely fall upon him in a year. Now seems like a good time for him to look for another job. Next year he may not look as capable.

    Or maybe he was meeting with all the international players to work on the signing press conference. Or maybe he was. . . no I think the Meanwell replacement scenario may be the most likely.

  76. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Mac-

    There are lot of holes and only so much to go round.

    They will not bust 189 IMO.

    There will just have to be some compromises made.

    No question in my mind about that.

    How good the final product is depends on how well they solve the problem.

    Pitching is currently the # 1 priority in Yankeeland.

    Everything else is second.

    They will not be able to fill all of their needs in championship fashion.

    Not next season anyway.

    Just my 2 cents.

    ;)

  77. chicken little September 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 am

    to me, whether cashman was a great, good, satisfactory, or lousy gm isn’t at issue anymore. what is at issue is that he has been on the job for 15 years and the yanks are in a bad spot right now (which may or may not be his fault, in whole or in part). to me, in some respects its like with torre after 2007. a great run, but it was time for change. i think the yanks need a new voice, preferably from the outside, running the baseball side of things.

  78. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Chicken-

    Where do I sign up for that ?

    ;)

  79. Doreen September 23rd, 2013 at 11:00 am

    WC does allow some leeway.

    It’s valid, but I don’t think the spirit of the WC is for teams to aim for it. :(

  80. BIG AL September 23rd, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Sometimes the mountain is just too steep to make it to the top. This team endured just too many obstacles to overcome, but, the effort put forth should be applauded.

    It’s always easier to support a team when they are winning, its the true fan that supports them through the dark days, as well as the bright ones.

    GO YANKEES!

  81. Hankflorida September 23rd, 2013 at 11:07 am

    MTU, “In the valley of the blind, the one eyed man is king.” Just look at the other teams that the Yankees will compete with for next year and think of the 2nd Wild Card. You are right as pitching should be their main priority.

  82. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Morning Al-

    I know something about climbing mountains.

    ;)

  83. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Hank-

    I’m not saying I totally agree with that just that is what I think the Yankees will do.

    I believe in balance.

    I hope that is what they arrive at. I’m just older and a little more patient than some.

    ;)

  84. BIG AL September 23rd, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Mike -

    Good morning. I thought you might comment on that post. :)

    I didn’t think it would happen, but, if you watched that ceremony yesterday, and didn’t come away with a tear in your eye, you may be considered clinically dead.

  85. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 11:18 am

    When all is said and done baseball is just a game and a great diversion.

    It isn’t life and death.

    This week will be a critical one for the MTU family. It’s a Yogi Berra type fork in the road and we are going to have to take it.

    I come here as way to distract myself from the harsh realities of life.

    As I do when I wander the deserts and mountains of my area.

    I always try to remember what’s really important in life and to stay grounded.

    But then again I’m old so that’s to be expected.

    ;)

  86. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Al-

    Unfortunately, I had to miss it but I’ll try to catch the replay.

    I was in Vegas attending a wedding.

    Given a choice that’s exactly where I wanted to be though.

    :)

  87. MTU September 23rd, 2013 at 11:20 am

    New one ——->

  88. tomingeorgia September 23rd, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Morning!
    I posted this yesterday:
    “I’ve enjoyed the season, if not the outcome. I’ve watched a bunch of guys (56 of them, wasn’t it?) bust their guts trying to win, and doing it more than anybody expected.

    Fact is, the available bodies just weren’t good enough. Nobody “sucked” or loafed or anything like that, and we were in the chase into the fourth week of September, anyway, which is a small miracle. The manager held them together somehow, even when the replacements for the replacements went down, they played hard to win every day. There are teams with better talent that will finish behind us, which is something to admire.

    That said, let’s win out and keep the pressure on our “betters”. Let’s go, Yanks!”

    Let me add, I think Mister MTU’s scenario is the likely outcome for next season, with, as he suggested, a few surprises tossed in.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue September 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 am

    “The eighth inning was a clear indication of that. I know it sounds silly, but the “powers that be,” or the baseball gods, clearly did not want this team to be in post-season play.

    And I firmly firmly believe that a power stronger than the will of the players was in force against our Yankees all season. I am aware how weird this sounds.

    Simply, it was not meant to be. If it was, those runs score yesterday and we get the happy ending to a most sentimental day. The baseball gods wouldn’t even allow us that.”

    Doreen, I feel the same way. Every time a new injury would happen I said I felt like someone had a big interlocking NY doll and was sticking pins in it. What happened with the Yankees and their injuries this year was otherworldly. I pointed out last night that there were 6 Yankees either 60day DLd, out for the season, or out indefinitely in September alone! And only Jeter could be considered an elder statesmen. When all of the talk was going on about Girardi being in contention for MOY, nobody ever said it was because the team was old or lacked offense. Everyone talked about the spate of injuries and how he kept the team in contention in spite of it.

    Even Mariano’s blown saves had the feel that the baseball gods were against us this season.

    ************************

    “Yesterday’s game was a perfect example-Wells pinch hits and K’s in a tough spot and of course the complaints in the game thread are that he sucks and should be released.

    Of course, in a similar spot earlier in the week he came through with a game winning double against a right handed pitcher.”

    MG – that stuff is classic here. People immediately forget the good a player has done and they decide the entire season has been a wash with whatever player is being pilloried. But you heard the same things about Nix, Nunez, Reynolds, etc. This has always been a “what have you done for me lately” forum (obviously with some exceptions), and there have been endless uninformed comments when it comes to the different players’ contributions.

    ***************

    “I don’t think Cashman has been an awful GM but I won’t shed a tear if he is made to disappear. Time for a fresh approach.”

    I too, Brute. :) (as in Caesar, not as in savage!)

    *************

    “i find it odd that Cashman was not at ceremony yesterday, yet no reporter is reporting on why.”

    I’m wondering if he has already been told in private that this is his last season. Unless of course he was in one of the suites, watching the game. I guess you could say that there was really no reason for him to have visibility during that kind of ceremony, even during his best days, right?

    **************

    MTU refers to the Yankee plan, or the Yankee way of doing business, with respect to building around pitching and defense. Statistics show it’s the way to the postseason. So you really wouldn’t want them to start switching around. Obviously what you want them to do is to do a good job of putting pieces in place.

    I’m not so worried about next year’s pitching though maybe I should be? I certainly don’t know what CC will be like next year. I do believe though if they give Nova the rest he needs (still think he wasn’t fully healed) and then use Phelps and bring up Nuno, they have the makings of a good rotation. I am hoping Pineda will be ready to go.

    Finally, as we have seen, a team can have the best mix of players and have something go wrong, even without massive injuries. Look at the 2011 Sux. On paper, their offense was to die for. And on paper they had the pitching. Look at the Giants. The same guys who won the WS for them last year landed them in last place. Anyone want to try to figure that one out?

    That’s baseball Suzyn.

    I’m happy to see the group of posters who are posting this morning. There are diehards here who will always see their Yanks through thick and thin.

    Finally, take this to the bank. Robby Cano will be in pinstripes next year. (In the interest of full disclosure, I do have to tell you that my “take it to the bank” record was shaken when I said the Yankees would never trade Montero.)

    :)

  90. Hankflorida September 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Doreen, Hal changed from his father’s philosophy because of the two Wild Cards. Hal figured he could cut payroll, save cap money and still keep the fans interest. Just look at how most of us bought into the Wild Card race as we were counting the games that we had to win. You are right the WC should not be what teams aim for, but the days of the two teams in each league with the best record after playing 154 games facing off in the WS is gone forever.

  91. DONNYBROOK September 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 am

    - MONDAY MORING MUSINGS -

    (1) Almonte is a walking indictment of the Yankee farm system. He has NO clue how to run the bases. Is it any wonder that the same system that molded Almonte, has delivered Hughes and Chamberlain?

    (2) Cano continues to show exactly why he should be allowed to walk. He should have advanced to 3B as Almonte was heading home. From 3B he would have easily scored the tying run on the ensuing 1B.


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