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Postgame notes: “It’s not a good feeling”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Sep 24, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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It was only 11 days ago that the Yankees went into Boston having won three in a row to pull within a game of the second wild card spot. They were very much in the race, with a realistic chance of taking control of it in the next week or so. They controlled their own destiny.

Then it all fell apart.

“It definitely started that series,” Vernon Wells said. “Taking three out of four in Baltimore, then going to Boston — they’ve had our number. What they did to us at home and then what they did to us there, we caught them at a bad time. That apparently put us in a funk. That’s part of this game, unfortunately. I think there’s enough heart in this clubhouse to finish this thing off the right way.”

There was a real sense of finality in the Yankees clubhouse tonight. It was mostly quiet — not many players around after this one — but even Joe Girardi, so defiant pregame, seemed ready to concede defeat. Five games out with five games to play, the Yankees literally need to win every game and have the Indians lose ever game. And even then, some other team could easily sneak in and take that final playoff spot.

“It’s not a good feeling,” Girardi said. “It hurts. You think about, this all started February 15 or whatever it was (that spring training opened). We put ourselves in a pretty good position after a month, month and a half, then we struggled, then we put ourselves in a good position 10 days ago, and then we struggled again. It’s a tough position to be in because you play every day in our game. It’s not a good feeling.”

Jason Giambi, of all people, hit the walk-off home run for Cleveland tonight. That’s the hit that left the Yankees with a tragic number of one.

“Any time you put this uniform on, you expect to go out and produce and win,” Wells said. “When you’re not doing it, it’s frustrating. There have been so many different guys in this uniform, and to a man, they have gone out and done everything they could on the field to do their part and help us win games.”

It hasn’t been enough. And at this point, at this point it’s clear that it won’t be enough.

Hiroki Kuroda• Another bad start for Hiroki Kuroda, who said he’s not entirely sure what’s gone wrong in the past month and a half. He’s had trouble early in games, and that was certainly the case again tonight. “The tendency’s have been that I give up runs early in the innings,” Kuroda said. “And today third-pitch home run, which gave my team a bad start. That sort of let the momentum (begin).”

• Kuroda said he feels healthy, and he feels able to deal with whatever late-season fatigue has set in. He’s simply not pitching well lately. “He’s not locating his split,” Girardi said. “And the slider that Joyce hit (for a home run) was just a spinner down the middle. It just seems that it’s been taking him a little bit of time to find his stuff. … It’s always hard (to figure out) what you attribute it to. His stuff has just not been as crisp. His sinker, it’s been a little bit flatter. It hasn’t had the same amount of bite to it. It’s been more across (than down), and his slider has been okay at times, but not as crisp as earlier.”

• In his past 12 starts against the American League East, Kuroda is 1-9 with a 5.85 ERA. In his past eight starts total, he’s 0-6 with a 6.56.

• Five earned runs were the most Kuroda had allowed at Yankee Stadium since July 12, 2012.

• Of course, can’t blame this one entirely on Kuroda. The Yankees were shut out for the 11th time this season, their most in a single season since 1990 when they were shut out 15 times. They’ve shut out six times at home, in a ballpark known for offense.

• Important offensive numbers for tonight: 11 runners left on base and 0-for-10 with runners in scoring position. “We had opportunities,” Girardi said. “We had six or seven walks in the first three or four innings, and we weren’t able to put any hits up there. Had a couple chances. We had the bases loaded with one out and weren’t able to score. Runs have been tough for us lately.”

Rays Yankees Baseball• Wells on Matt Moore: “He made pitches when he needed to. He got himself in trouble and got himself out of it. They’re pretty good at doing that. … You can’t win ballgames if you don’t put runs on the board. You give their pitcher credit, but we had opportunities and didn’t come through.”

• The Yankees had four hits today. Ichiro Suzuki, Alfonso Soriano and Eduardo Nunez singled and Robinson Cano doubled. Cano needs one more double to reach 40 for the year.

• Boone Logan struck out the only batter he faced tonight. It was his first appearance since September 6, but Logan said his elbow still didn’t feel great. He’s been diagnosed with a bone spur that’s likely been there all season.

• Seems crazy to bring it up, but that Mariano Rivera bobblehead situation actually turned into quite the debacle. Fans had to redeem their vouchers here at the stadium and there was only one location to pick up the dolls. The line literally stretched through much of the lower concourse. Pretty crazy. Transportation issues — something about a delayed train — kept the bobbleheads from getting here in time.

• Final word goes to Girardi: “It’s been different things at different times. You can look at the Boston series, we didn’t pitch well. We played well in Baltimore, and then we pitched better in Boston the next time we went there, but we didn’t swing the bats. We didn’t swing the bats in Toronto. You lose a game 2-to-1 (against the Giants) when you have some opportunities to do it, so I think it’s been a combination of both.”

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50 Responses to “Postgame notes: “It’s not a good feeling””

  1. pat September 25th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    FeinsandNYDN
    I’m told the Yankees plan to activate DH Travis Hafner from the DL on Wednesday.

  2. Chad Jennings September 25th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Yep, apparently Hafner is back tomorrow. Of course, David Price is starting tomorrow, so it’s hard to imagine he’ll be in the lineup.

  3. austinmac September 25th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Maybe Hafner can hit instead of Almonte in the continued ignoring of young players.

  4. yankeefeminista September 25th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Activate Hafner? Why?

  5. JimK September 25th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    “Wait till next year.”

  6. sunny615 September 25th, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Yay Hafner… that’ll turn this season around. Good call Hal. Yer a genius.

  7. JimK September 25th, 2013 at 12:28 am

    It is now officially a 3 team race and the Y’s are not one of the 3 teams.

  8. JimK September 25th, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Just as an aside: why do any Y fans believe Kuroda is necessary for next year?

  9. yankinvegas September 25th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    What happened in that last game in Baltimore before the debacle in Boston? Oh yeah, Gardner went down for the remainder of the season and Alex hurt his hamstring running the bases. ARod had been killing the ball the couple of weeks leading up to that game. It’s amazing how after all this time and all the agata surrounding him, that ARod is still the most important player on this team.

  10. arsenelupin3 September 25th, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Today I waited in a line for two hours so that I could earn the right to wait in a line for two hours. I wanted to get a bobblehead for my sister and I was successful. I managed to watch four innings of Yankee ‘baseball’ in the process. The line went up 12 levels of the left field ramp and the only fun part of the experience was misery loving company. Had a blast with some fellow irate fans and watched the Yankees nonexistent postseason hopes turn into all but a mathematical impossibility.

    What sort of logistics people would allow a giveaway like this to become such a cluster that it RUINED the night of nearly half the fans that showed up at the game? How can you have a lead-time window of less than a day on such an anticipated promotion? I purchased 36 tickets this season for myself and friends. Tonight’s events just serve as an example of how poorly this team is run at an operations level. I might show up at a game or two next year, but I’m no longer subjecting myself and others to this crap on a regular basis.

    A friend toughed out the lines with me tonight and we have been seeing games together for about a decade. If you can’t put a quality product on OR off the field, why bother?

  11. Hankflorida September 25th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    There was a song during World War 1 called “How are you going to keep em down on the farm after they’ve seen Paree.” Well, many of the Yankee farm kids have seen the Major Leagues this year, and you can easily keep them on the farm because they belong there. Maybe that is why Hafner is back because the Yankee do not have the coming attractions on the farm to bring to the big stage as we have seen the preview of our farm all year long, and the show was a flop. At least, Hafner got rave reviews for over a month.

  12. Duh Innings II September 25th, 2013 at 1:03 am

    Trade Sabathia, Pineda, and $11M of Sabathia’s 2014 salary to Kansas City for James Shields. KC has Sabathia and Pineda under control through 2016 vs. Shields in his walk year. They pay Sabathia what they’d pay Shields in 2014 ($12M.) If Sabathia sucks they could trade his final two years for a decent return. If he returns to pre-2013 form they have him for two years or could get a bounty for him. Sabathia should dominate with a return to the AL Central where the pathetic White Sox and Twins reside, and who says Cleveland won’t revert to sucking again? Detroit’s the only year in year out good team in that division.

    Offer Kuroda the qualifying offer so he turns it down as it’s a $1.2M paycut ($15M to $13.8M) and the Yanks get a draft pick.

    Sign Matt Garza to a multi-year deal, Scott Baker and Danny Haren for 2014 only as no one is giving barely played in 2013 Baker or 4.87 ERA Haren two or more years.

    Shields/Garza/Nova/Baker/Haren

    Haren would be the oldest starting pitcher at 33. The Yanks could let go of him, Baker, Shields, any two, or all three, and completely make over 4/5ths of their rotation for 2015 if they let go of all three and trade Nova or Garza.

  13. 4 NYY September 25th, 2013 at 5:12 am

    yankinvegas September 25th, 2013 at 12:31 am
    Alex hurt his hamstring running the bases. ARod had been killing the ball the couple of weeks leading up to that game. It’s amazing how after all this time and all the agata surrounding him, that ARod is still the most important player on this team.

    =================

    This is not a joke thread ! The only way he helps next year is if he’s gone !

  14. TKR September 25th, 2013 at 6:20 am

    Arod should just shut it down right now, go see what damage if any he has done to his lower body because he’s clearly not 100%. Him and his lawyers meet with MLB and see what his punishment is going to be & come back sometime next year ready, a healthy Arod can still play this game for another year or two and contribute after that I think he’s toast

  15. TKR September 25th, 2013 at 6:23 am

    Talent is helpful in writing, but guts are absolutely necessary.

  16. blake September 25th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue says:
    September 24, 2013 at 8:14 pm
    blake, feel free to answer my question about Cervelli and if you think the answer is no, please tell me why.

    My answer is yes and no……yes of course the Yankees could have saw what he did in winter ball and thought ….hey maybe this guy can be our catcher……but no that never was a good idea.

    Cervelli was pretty terrible defensively in his prior times in the majors and the sample size of his offensively was too small to draw much conclusion. Cervelli did appear to have improved defensively in the short time he played before getting hurt and then busted for PEDS…..but to count on Cervelli and Chris Stewart as your catching tandem in a year you say your trying to win is crazy IMO…..turned out it didn’t work so well in reality either

  17. sunny615 September 25th, 2013 at 7:53 am

    “…so I think it’s been a combination of both.”

    no – i think it’s just that this team sucks in it’s current incarnation and it’s not going to get better in 2014.

  18. Wave Your Hat September 25th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    It amazed me at the time and still amazes me that the Yankee organization somehow decided it was better to sign Ichiro to a two year deal, let Russell Martin walk and rely on a catching tandem of Stewart and Cervelli. There is something broken inside the Yank decision-making process.

  19. sunny615 September 25th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Garza has been godawful in Texas. Why would anyone what that guy for multiple years?

  20. sunny615 September 25th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    There is something broken inside the Yank decision-making process.

    And it’s name is Hal.

  21. Doreen September 25th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    I always thought they shoulda resigned Martin, but it’s all water under the bridge.

    But the way this year went do you have any doubt he would have joined the ranks of the barely walking wounded?

  22. Tidrow September 25th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Ryan=Brigniac. Russel Martin is not or ever was answer at catcher. Guy is an average catcher at best who is trending downward.

  23. MTU September 25th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    WYH-

    Good morning.

    Too many chefs in the kitchen.

    ;)

  24. Bring in the Goose September 25th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Sorry, having a hard time understanding why a grown up would stand in a 2-hour line for a plastic toy?

    Were you there to watch the game or pick up your cheap freebie?

  25. Doreen September 25th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    They gambled and lost. They left themselves with a razor thin margin for error at almost every turn, and they lost.

    And yet, even in losing those gambles, the players on this team managed, with the odds stacked against them (with respect to both injuries and that razor thin margin for error they started with thanks to off-season decisions), they managed to finish above .500 and they managed to stay in a pennant race until the last week of the season. The credit goes to the players and their manager.

  26. MTU September 25th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    At a minimum Levine should be walled off from all baseball ops.

    And Newman should be sh*t-canned.

    Some fresh blood at GM wouldn’t hurt either.

    The Yankees need to do some serious soul searching this Winter.

    ;)

  27. blake September 25th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    “It amazed me at the time and still amazes me that the Yankee organization somehow decided it was better to sign Ichiro to a two year deal, let Russell Martin walk and rely on a catching tandem of Stewart and Cervelli. There is something broken inside the Yank decision-making process.”

    kinda insane given that Martin reportedly would have taken a 1 year deal to come back…..have to figure that it was almost entirely a marketing thing to bring in Japanese money.

  28. Doreen September 25th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    In a way, I think ownership took the team’s long term success more for granted than even some fans!

  29. blake September 25th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    “In a way, I think ownership took the team’s long term success more for granted than even some fans!”

    Hal apparently has decided to test exactly how much equity those championship years has bought him……

  30. austinmac September 25th, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Ownership and many fans think the team will win because they are the Yankees. Most of Hal’s life has been has had a winning team. We older fans know the name means nothing. The product on the field is what matters. They need to use their money and actually be smart.

    I fear we will be lacking in both.

  31. Wave Your Hat September 25th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Well, without changes in the process that resulted in a number of very questionable moves this past year, I don’t have a lot of hope that things will turn around next year.

    Which is why, Doreen, I don’t think the Martin decision is water under the bridge, or over the dam, or spilt milk, as it were. The Yanks have to make a lot of choices this winter.

  32. Doreen September 25th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    None, Blake.

    Every year is a new year, and nothing can be taken for granted or left to chance.

    I thought and still do that if they won most of those gambles, the team would make the playoffs. But I am not naive, and I know they did not improve upon last years team. They did not strive to be better. They decided to toe the line.

    It came back to bite them.

    Now, I also cannot fault them for wanting to take advantage of an opportunity to get the luxury tax back in a zone that isn’t freaking ridiculous and which was set up to “punish” one team only.

    But it’s easier said than done, and MLB is thrilled they are trying, because, look ma! No Yankees in the playoffs.

    Even if they scrap 189, the next couple of seasons are not going to be easy. But as long as they are really trying to be in the mix, and not resting on their laurels, that’s all you can ask. There are no guarantees. Just look at the last place Blue Jays, who were supposed to have taken the division easily.

  33. Doreen September 25th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    It’s water under the bridge because you can’t undo it. It happened and no amount of hand wringing or complaining can change that fact. That particular decision.

    They can move forward. That’s all anyone can ever do.

  34. Wave Your Hat September 25th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Trying, even trying hard, to be in the mix is not good enough. For the prices the Yanks charge, they have a responsibility to the fans to ensure there are consequences for poor decisions. The organization doesn’t exist just so management can draw a fat paycheck.

  35. blake September 25th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Doreen,

    I agree….but I think Hal has decided to test that theory…..we will find out soon. We will see Hal’s true colors over the next 4 or 5 months.

  36. blake September 25th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    1 other note before I have to do some stuff…..

    does anyone still think Nunez is a future starter on the left side of a real Yankee infield? Please say no……he’s a 4A player with some tools that don’t fit together into a regular big leaguer…..can we please get a SS this winter to replace Derek? a real one…….get a real SS….move Jeter to 3B and there you go….2 problems solved…..100 more to go.

  37. Wave Your Hat September 25th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    The Yanks have to decide whether their primary mission is to be a competitive ball club, or a museum. Their decision as to SS will be telling.

    Of course, their primary mission may be to make as much money as humanly possible, but that’s another story.

  38. 86w183 September 25th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    Good morning all —-

    Yeah, Russell Martin and his 101 OPS + would have solved all of the Yanks problems. Well, him and Montero, right?

    I’m with Doreen, can we just move on?? sometimes this place is like a bad diner… every day the special is hash and re-hash. Let’s whine about Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps and Al Leiter for Jesse Barfield while we’re at it.

    Injuries to Teixeira and Granderson and inability for A-rod and Jeter to get healthy had a hundred times more impact on this season than the lousy offense behind the plate.

  39. Doreen September 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    WYH,

    Again, they could make all the best-intended decisions, spend on all the best available players, etc., and still nothing is guaranteed, certainly not a WS. So, trying to be in the mix is a good thing. Strongly in the mix, not just lukewarm attempt.

    I don’t know what they’ll do about the prices, and I agree you shouldn’t charge people the highest prices if you’re not putting the best product on the field. I don’t know the answer to that.

    What consequences do you propose the owner bring down on himself, since he was the one making the decision to cut spending?

  40. blake September 25th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    “The Yanks have to decide whether their primary mission is to be a competitive ball club, or a museum. Their decision as to SS will be telling.”

    I think it’s pretty obvious that the best route is to move Jeter to 3B and to get a SS…..Jeter can still hit and they are going to need a 3B anyway…..he should be able to play there fine…..his range won’t be as big an issue and Jeter still comes in on ball as good as anybody. The footwork is totally different but if you can play SS you can play 3B with a little adjustment time.

    If I was Cashman I’d be on the phone with Daniels as soon as the season was over to see what it’d take to get Andrus…..I’d take his whole salary if I had to. The right side of the infield would be fixed…..and SS would be solved for years. Then you sign McCann and you at least have the 2 biggest holes on the 2013 team solved.

  41. Doreen September 25th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Gotta agree with 86w183.

    Tex and his 30 HRs, Grandy and another 30 HRs, and ARod with maybe another 10 (even 10 from Youikilis would have helped) can’t be discounted. (Martin would have been good for 15 at least too.) Even if they were all solo HRs, there are probably a handful of games they would have made a difference, that handful putting them in the WC. Not to mention relieving some of the pressure off the pitching staff.

  42. Wave Your Hat September 25th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Doreen,

    I understand nothing is guaranteed. And the owner’s consequences are the team’s profitability, and the regard for him in the eyes of the owner’s peers and the public at large. Those are yet to be determined.

    But if the owner has decided to save money, then the organization needs to make the best decisions possible given that constraint. So far, I don’t see that happening. The farm system is questionable, they give out no trades and opt outs like candy, they hold onto players too long, they get old players and wonder why they have injuries, they don’t have organizational depth in important positions, etc.

  43. Chambliss September 25th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    I really hope that the kids get to play for the rest of the season. Hafner? really? He should not see the field again.

    I know that Ryan cannot hit, but I would like to him as the full time SS next year. He is amazing defensively, and he seems to have a very good attitude. Jeter can move to 3rd as Ripken did.

    I don’t know what to make of Nunez. Maybe he is a AAAA player or maybe he needs more time to develop. Too bad that baseball does not allow defense/offense platoon because Nunez and Ryan would be a great combination.

    I just watched the replay of the Giambino’s walkoff last night. What a cool moment for Cleveland and Giambi.

    Hoping that the A’s can overtake the Red Sox for the best record in the AL. Something tells me that Detroit is running out of gas.

  44. Against All Odds September 25th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    I’d do the same thing Blake but we know Jeter won’t move off short and Hal won’t approve of Andrus and MCcann deals

  45. blake September 25th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    “Yeah, Russell Martin and his 101 OPS + would have solved all of the Yanks problems. Well, him and Montero, right?”

    101+ is above league average though……Chris Stewart’s is 58 man!

    Look Martin isn’t a great player…..but he’s a legit starting catcher at the major league level. Stewart isn’t…..plus Martin hits lefties pretty well and that was a huge problem for the Yankees a large portion of the season…….it was more about the thought process of going into the 2013 season with a 230 million dollar payroll….and not having a starting catcher.

  46. 86w183 September 25th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Blake — What kind of personnel package you think put Andrus in pinstripes? You sure Jeter will be cool with a farewell season at 3B??

    McCann would be a huge get. Salty, Pierzinski or Doumit would also be good fits and less expensive. Doumit would take prospects ina trade. The other three are potential FA.

  47. 86w183 September 25th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I wouldn’t spend $ 8 M to upgrade from Cervelli to Martin. Until Cervelli got hurt he was hitting far better than Martin. Could he have sustained it? Dunno.

    I also would not have signed Ichiro for two years. That never made sense, and I just hope he decides to finish his career back home.

  48. 4TrainNorth September 25th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Who are the best bat/arm on the free-agent market?

  49. coolerking101 September 25th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Can’t believe the bobble head story doesn’t get more play here. Yankees totally screwed their fans. Many fans missed the ENTIRE game waiting on line. Numerous people (including Mike Axisa over at RAB) reported Yankee staff being incredibly rude and actually telling fans that if they don’t like it, they can cancel their season tickets. Meanwhile, ticketholders in the moat section had their bobbleheads delivered to them. Total debacle. What a way to treat fans paying top dollar to see a sinking ship.

  50. arsenelupin3 September 25th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Goose: I was getting the bobblehead as a gift for a relative. A lot of fans were getting them for their kids. Some people were there just to put them up on ebay, but to each their own.

    This was my seventh game of the year and the first time I’ve missed more than an inning of the game out of my seats. To be honest, I didn’t really miss much. Not sure how a team lets a pitcher throw that many balls and not pay for it.

    Got to the game three hours early to make sure I got there in time to snag a toy, and kick back and relax after getting up 3 hours early to get in my hours at work, and hoepfully see some batting practice from the bleachers. But no, I was just there for some plastic toy for myself.


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