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Video: Pettitte reflects on his remarkable career finale

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To start this final day of the season, here’s a little more Andy Pettitte after his brilliant farewell performance.

Andy PettitteFeel good that you don’t have to be hard on yourself about this one?
“That’s a good feeling. The last thing I wanted to do was be in here saying, ‘Man, I hung a slider! Game-tying home run! Can you believe this?’ And have to live the rest of my life with that one. I’m hard on myself, and I hate it that I’m like I am and built the way I am, because sit in here and tell all the other guys around me, ‘Don’t be so hard on yourself, you pitched a great game. Think about the positives.’ But I feel like I feed off the negative a little bit sometimes as far as in my pitching, so I’m very thankful that there was no regrets in this one as far as pitch selection.”

How do you want to be remembered?
“I hope people remember me, and I know that my team will, I hope I was just a positive influence on people. I hope that I pushed people toward Jesus and tried to be as positive as I possibly could for everybody that surrounded me on these fields and stuff. And I hope that people look at me as somebody who went out there and gave it my all. I worked my tail off, played this game as hard as I could. I feel like I’ve milked every ounce of talent out of this body that God gave me. Never a hard thrower. I don’t really feel like I was ever a guy who had great stuff. Never able to strike out a lot of guys. Just kind of feel like I gritted and willed my way through games. I thank the Lord for giving me that ability and putting it inside me to be able to focus and get locked in and be able to relax and make pitches out there when I had to.”

Think about farewell moments like this when you came back?
“I didn’t think about that when I came back. It was more like, after I came back and I knew I was going to retire at the end of this year, and then whenever I started talking to some of the guys over a couple of months and they knew I was going to retire, and they were saying, you need to say something. And of course, I didn’t want to take any attention away from Mo or take attention away from the games or anything like that. I’m so thankful I did. That was one thing I regretted was that I never got to say goodbye to the fans. Obviously the 15 years in New York, but then the three years here and how great they were here and how great of a club we had here and stuff like that. It’s almost, for me now, just as important here. To finish it up here was absolutely incredible.”

Andy Pettitte, Chris StewartFocused strictly on the task at hand, or reflecting at all during the game?
“I was. The whole day was hard. Just because everybody, before the game, I felt like guys were a little bit more around me than normal, and we were talking about stuff, and what a great run it’s been. So, it’s absolutely crazy. I found myself already getting emotional before the game, and I was like, this is not good. I mean It’s not good. And then during the game, underneath the tunnel, Guys just hanging down there and stuff like that, because I was sitting down underneath in between innings. I found myself an awful lot thinking about everything. It was awesome.”

Did it really feel like a postseason game?
“It was. The guys in the dugout were battling. I felt like we had to grind to score the runs that we did. It definitely felt like that, I felt like that as far as with my focus. The way the game was playing out, you know that one mistake could seriously cost you. And obviously I’ve pitched here, so I know that one mistake can really cost you, especially with that short porch in left field. It was, it was a big game. You’re trying to make pitches. My focus was, I would say, like playoff time.”

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99 Responses to “Video: Pettitte reflects on his remarkable career finale”

  1. YanksPats September 29th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    As recently as the Felix Hernandez perfect game, in an ESPN segment with Olney, who covered the Yankees in the late 90s.

    Each time Olney discusses a current perfect game, he always harkens back to his days covering the Yankees, compares the perfect games that he covered with the current perfect game, and diminishes the the 90s perfect games.

  2. RhapsodyInBlue September 29th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    What a night! I know we’re not in the post season, but watching Mariano and then Andy pitch their last time in Pinstripes is unforgettable.

    This morning early I went out to get the papers and coffee, before leaving the house proudly placed on my head just as Andy did before going out onto the field last night, the dark blue baseball hat with the interlocking white NY on the front.

    Seems like just yesterday I was reading posts from spring training. From here on out I root for whoever is across the diamond from the Red Sox.

  3. JM September 29th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Olney often seems on a mission to diminish those Yankee teams, for some unknown reason.

  4. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    I don’t know how he was able to concentrate on pitching last night. Just a great performance from Andy.

  5. YanksPats September 29th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Anyone could do a better job than Cashman as the GM.

    We already have a slime bag in upper management (Randy Levine), we don’t need Brian Cashman there too, running his mouth and acting the fool.

    Cashman is literally good at nothing.

  6. YanksPats September 29th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I am searching Google for a link for corroboration.

  7. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “When Andy went to Houston the Yanks were insisting on a full physical AND an MRI on his elbow which had been barking late in the season. He declined, went to Houston and needed elbow surgery after a dozen starts. The Yanks were right, they weren’t “disrespectful”.”

    Than why did the Yankees offer him a 39 million over 3 years?

    No… the reason Andy went to Houston was because Cashman and company waited too long ( the last day) to approach him with a reasonable offer. He felt wanted by Houston and not wanted by the Yankees. And don’t forget he turned down even more money from the Sox.

    Cashman aggressively pursues Andy, and he never goes to Houston, that is a fact.

  8. TKR September 29th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Best of Cashman’s trades, I only see two since 2006..

    the one this year with Sori which was a player dump by the Cubs and
    Acquired outfielder Bobby Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle from the Philadelphia Phillies for shortstop C.J. Henry, pitchers Matt Smith and Carlos Monasterios and catcher Jesus Sanchez…

    not much there for him…take away the Yankee money and what has he done

    maybe I missed something

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/tr…..rk-yankees

  9. pat September 29th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    A 3 way tie for a wild card would be fun in a create havoc kind of way.

  10. TKR September 29th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Cashman is very overrated as a GM around here and in BB…give me the $$$$ I’ll go out and get FA’s

  11. Giuseppe Franco September 29th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    YanksPats September 29th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    As recently as the Felix Hernandez perfect game, in an ESPN segment with Olney, who covered the Yankees in the late 90s.

    Each time Olney discusses a current perfect game, he always harkens back to his days covering the Yankees, compares the perfect games that he covered with the current perfect game, and diminishes the the 90s perfect games.

    ——

    I’ve never heard anyone diminish a perfect game due to the opponent, but even if you’re right, you are singling out one guy – Olney – so who cares.

    There have only been 21 perfect games thrown since 1900 and there have been a lot of games played against a lot of bad teams during that span.

    So it’s an extremely rare feat under any circumstances.

    That rare feat may be diminished a bit by Olney but there aren’t many people who agree with him.

  12. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    LOL.. I can’t sometimes.. you guys know how I feel about Andy’s stint in Houston and what was really responsible for it. This is one case where I always thought the Yankees got a rough deal.

    Blind as a Bat

    We were pretty upset when this professional sports player decided to leave New York. We thought it was for more money, but we were wrong.

    For years this guy professed to have a “special relationship with God.” But it turns out he had a special relationship with a woman who was not his wife. When the wife found out, she went ballistic. The player had two choices: stay in New York with his mistress, or return home and play with a new team.

    Wisely, he chose the latter, which was why you didn’t hear the thunder that usually accompanies such transactions. His New York employer knew the score, and had to acquiesce. Sometimes being a sport is more important than playing one.

    I still love Andy btw. Just wish he could have kept it in his pants (or at least been a better liar!) so he could have stayed. :D

  13. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    I have no problem w Cashman being punted but I agree w Blake that Hal and Co. are the real problem.

    Too many chefs in the kitchen cooking up the wrong recipe.

    ;)

  14. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    If anyone is curious, because I know that you are, my personal favorite blind item about an athlete was about a pitcher that lost his fastball after carrying his date up 3 flights of stairs after she passed out one night lol. Trust me people, the truth is always stranger than fiction.. especially in sports.

  15. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    “It was certainly not how I wanted things to unfold, but ultimately the Yankees did top Houston’s offer, so in terms if “show me the money,” they wanted Pettitte back. They had legitimate concerns about his elbows which did prove to be a problem. The problem was the timing, and giving Andy the opportunity to get used to and like the idea of pitching near home. I was devastated at the time and even given the elbow concerns thought signing him should have been first order of business.”

    Doreen you are welcome to sugar coat it all you want.

    For me if it was the only instance of this kind of thing, I would say ok…. mistakes happen.

    As for the elbow, the fact that they offered him 39 million tells you that was not the reason.

    No, it was a lack of understanding/ respect of what Andy meant to the Yankees. All he wanted was to feel wanted. The Yankees had a 15 day window to do that. They did nothing until the last day, then low-balled him.

    Lack of understanding/respect is what it was. Just like it was for Bernie, Jorge and Jeter. It was the first domino to fall in my book.

    But that is just my reason. I am not trying to convince anyone to think differently.

  16. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    The elbow MRI WAS an issue as much as the $$$.

    Bottom line, Andy took the Houston $$$, avoided the MRI and needed elbow surgery after about 15 starts. If you think Cashman decided what to offer and not offer Andy you simply have not been paying attention.

    Buster Olney is a good guy and repeatedly has talked about the 1998 team as being the best he’s seen. Just because he lends a perspecective to something doesn’t mean he’s diminishing it. Some perfect games WERE more impressive than others.

  17. blake September 29th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    September 29, 2013 at 9:10 am
    New GM: thanks so much Hal for this opportunity, i will not let you down :

    Hal: address me as Mr Steinbrenner or your majesty please

    New GM: oh my apologies. Let me tell you about my vision for the club

    Hal: interrupting…..here is the plan. We would like for you to cut payroll such that we can get under the luxury tax ….I need that money for my new spa addition to my mansion. I also would like for you to at least make the playoffs every year to keep the fans (growl) happy.

    New GM: but sir…..the core of the club is nearly 40 and very expensive ….and the farm system really isn’t ready to help….I’m not sure…..

    Hal: interrupting again. Can you not handle it? I thought you wanted to be the GM of the Yankees?

    New GM: yes your majesty…..I’ll do my best (realizes what he’s gotten himself into)

  18. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Shame why would you post an unsubstantiated, Enqiuer worthy rumor, about Andy today?

  19. Doreen September 29th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Shame,

    I was so trying not to go there…

    Still begs the question, why did they come in with a better offer at almost the last minute? Was it to make it look good?

    I am convinced though that there are always issues under the surface that we as fans are not privy to. So I try not to be all black or white about stuff. Lots of gray area.

  20. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Tar —

    Thank$ for $howing all of u$ what re$pect i$.

    That’s typical of the modern athlete thinking. It’s never about the money. It’s always about the respect. And yet it turns out they almost always take the money.

    Andy did take more guaranteed money because the Yanks offer was still contingent on the elbow passing muster. He didn’t know it wouldn’t, but he sure as hell suspected it wouldn’t. So he took a sure thing knowing that if he failed the Yanks physical the Houston money would disappear.

  21. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Yeah I get it, first it was the bosses fault, now its Hal’s or Levine’s fault.

    At what point in time does Cashman take responsibility for how things transpire on his watch?

  22. TKR September 29th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    Yeah I get it, first it was the bosses fault, now its Hal’s or Levine’s fault.

    At what point in time does Cashman take responsibility for how things transpire on his watch?
    ————————————
    Bingo..this guy just can’t make trades, all he can do is spend money

  23. Doreen September 29th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Tar, my “gripe” is that you are laying it all at Cashman’s feet, when it was something that came from George.

  24. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    86

    Any contract is contingent on passing a physical.
    And if it was about the money than why did he turn down a 52 million 4 year deal with the Sox?

  25. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Tar-

    No one is completely absolving Cashman from his mistakes or trying to indemnify him from all criticism.

    But you can’t fix things, even if you want to, if your boss doesn’t faith in your judgement and doesn’t give you the autonomy you need.

    Perhaps the brass are that sour on Cashman ?

    They seem to have turned him into a gelding.

    If they are he should not return. Nor should he want to.

    I think it’s time for a complete shakeup.

    Top to bottom.

  26. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    “Tar, my “gripe” is that you are laying it all at Cashman’s feet, when it was something that came from George.”

    Doreen

    As I have said, for ME, it was the first domino to fall. I was pissed when he left, but I got over it. It is the subsequent pattern of Cashman’s dealings with iconic Yankee players that has cemented my feelings towards him.

    It’s not just Andy leaving.

  27. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Probably because it, too was dependent on a more extensive elbow exam. An MRI is NOT part of a normal physical and it was NOT required by Houston.

    the only one who can accurately or intelligently evaluate a G.M. is the owner because only he knows which decisions were the General Manager’s and which were handed down by ownership as well as which G.M. recommendations/proposals were accepted by ownership and which ones were ignored/rejected.

  28. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Tar-

    And by the way, I do not like the way Cashman shot his mouth off either.

    But I’d bet he was doing Hal’s bidding on that one.

    ;)

  29. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Tar, not to rehash bad memories, but yep, the Yanks dissed Andy while the Astros aggressively pursued him. The Yankees were inexplicably uninterested in signing him, waiting until the last day of their exclusive 15 day window before making an offer. I was heartbroken and very pissed off at the time.

  30. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    And probably the deal for Brown (easily “more broken down” than Andy was at the time) was already in the works. Andy was an afterthought, and the Yanks’ evaluation of pitching that year was pretty darn poor.

  31. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    “Probably because it, too was dependent on a more extensive elbow exam. An MRI is NOT part of a normal physical and it was NOT required by Houston.”

    Can you show me the link that says Houston and the Sox didn’t require an MRI, but the Yankees did.

    And even if that was true ( I really doubt it) he pitched over 500 innings in three years with Houston with a winning record and decent stats.

    How many no name pitchers have the Yankees paid to rehab only to have them bolt when they are healthy?

  32. blake September 29th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Andy seems over anything the Yankees did to disrespect him…..I mean he has basically said NY is the only place he’d pitch for years now…..so why should we as fans worry about it?

  33. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Tar – I think there’s truth in gossip, plain and simple (some of the blinds about Roger and Mindy were rather foreshadowing long before it hit the papers in a more meaningful way, unfortunately). I think the discussion about Andy being in Houston for a couple years is actually the weirder conversation, tbh. I don’t think 2004 was when the Yankees stopped doing business like the Yankees. They were still making a lot of big money deals and showed no signs of slowing down. I’m not absolving Cash of any errors at the time but you can’t legitimately point to that and say ‘oh yeah here was the beginning of the end.’

  34. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    And probably the deal for Brown (easily “more broken down” than Andy was at the time) was already in the works. Andy was an afterthought, and the Yanks’ evaluation of pitching that year was pretty darn poor.”

    Yep….. swap out Brown for Andy, great choice there.

  35. Giuseppe Franco September 29th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    My biggest issue with Cashman is the lack of player development since he took over the farm in 2005.

    That’s his responsibility and they haven’t performed up to par.

    It’s also one of the primary reasons why the organization is in this mess.

    Sooner or later, someone has to be held accountable for the lack of talent developed by the organization.

  36. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “Andy seems over anything the Yankees did to disrespect him…..I mean he has basically said NY is the only place he’d pitch for years now…..so why should we as fans worry about it?”

    Andy is a nicer person than me. :D

    Shame for me, that was the beginning of me not wanting Cashman to be the GM of the Yankees. I was a big supporter before, a more reluctant one after.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Tar,

    I agree with your take.

    Torre was extremely p*ssed how Andy was left to twist in the wind and wanted him back.

    Remember it like yesterday.

    As for MG’s correction” that Andy was hurt in 2004 (revealingly, made about a brief exchange with occurred like over 10 hours or so ago) no one needs your lesson.

    I have raised several times in four years here that Andy would have swung that ALCS in our favor, as we lacked not just a good LHP, but ANY LHP, to antidote Boston’s LHH.

    A Yankee fan who didn’t know about the elbow and what chanced that year would have to be brain dead; I’m sure as sharp a knife as poster tucker, who raised it last night, also knew about the elbow.

    The point has always been a theoretical one, and one does not know what would have occurred had Andy stayed. But it remains a strategic, theoretical point, so your attempt to undercut people here in a brief exchange you were not even present for, falls flat.

  38. blake September 29th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “At what point in time does Cashman take responsibility for how things transpire on his watch?”

    5 titles and making the playoffs all but 2 times since 1995 suggests things have transpired pretty well under his watch…..

    Hal and the ownership have given him a difficult task over the last couple year and especially this year……basically keep winning with an old team without committing money long term……

  39. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    GF-

    How bout we hold Newman accountable too ?

    He is responsible for overseeing all player development.

    I’d say he was an abject failure.

    I’d put him and Levine on the first stagecoach out of town.

    But I know that will never happen.

  40. Doreen September 29th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Andy can’t feel too disrespected since he kept coming back…

  41. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Tar, and let’s face it, they had to have Javy Vazquez. Had to, so that trumped concerning themselves with lil ole Andy. Thank God, they didn’t trade him in 1999, even though it almost happened. I remember staying awake until the 2AM west coast deadline, worrying that Andy was going to be dealt, and breathing a huge sigh of reliefa nd crying a few tears after he wasn’t.

    Anyway, I am grateful/feel blessed that we did get him back, and we got to see him pitch so many critical games thereafter.

  42. JimK September 29th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    From the previous thread (getting old and takes me forever to write):

    I must admit that early on in his career I was not big AP supporter, probably because he was not Sandy Koufax; I always kept thinking he was Y’s version of the O’s Dave McNally, who was often referred to as Dave “McLucky” because of his run support.
    Over the year’s my opinion of Pettitte has done a complete 180; he himself admitted he never had dominant “stuff” but he always worked hard and was his own worst “critic.” (cf: remember Ian Kennedy after getting pounded saying he thought he pitched well.)
    The fact that he finished his career with 9 straight quality starts shows that the man knows how to pitch and if the Y’s had any offense at all this year there was an outside chance that AP could have won 20 games this year (I know he had the midseason bump, but even there in many starts he was able to limit the damage).
    I know the HGH controversy is one reason that will hurt his chances of becoming a HOF’er, but I personally believed his version of events, that being it was for a limited period and his intent was to help himself heal quicker from an injury. I also know that given his association Clemens most voting members for the HOF will not give him the benefit of the doubt.
    However, I do hope AP is inducted into the HOF and it would great if he made it at the same time Posada, who incidentally was another player I criticized, mostly for his failure to block the plate, but does have 5 WS rings and ranks very well in many offensive categories for a catcher.
    In closing, best comment of the night courtesy of AP “it’s too bad we get old.” (I may be paraphrasing here, but at 61 I sure know what he meant.)

  43. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Ah, if you are going to glorify Cashman than you also have to condemn him. He had a ton of money at his disposal and could buy another player to make up for a mistake. Steve Karsay ring a bell. What other teams could eat that salary without blinking an eye? Cash didn’t exactly set us up for prosperity. Friedman would have been wheeling and dealing to optimize his assets and get younger. Cash has no idea how to do that.

  44. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Tar – FWIW, I actually had never known or thought about any of that stuff myself until I took a baseball class at NYU with Roberta Newman. She took us on a tour of the old stadium and had a few connections with the org. She loved baseball (hence creating a class around the subject – literally it was about like culture through baseball) and this was something we discussed at length. It was pretty entertaining, to say the least. I was completely shocked and didn’t believe it at all… but throughout the semester she really showed she had a lot of insight and sources into the org as a whole.

    I never felt Andy was disrespected… .I always felt Bernie and Jorgie were the guys that got the short end of the stick there. Those were the guys that made me want Cashman’s head on a platter. That brief discussion about Jorgie the other day brought back a tone of terrible memories…. and anger I didn’t know I still held onto.

  45. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    5 titles and making the playoffs all but 2 times since 1995 suggests things have transpired pretty well under his watch…..”

    Ok so he takes all the credit, but all of the blame is deflected to George, Hal and Levine.

    And how do you or anybody here know 189 isn’t a Cashman based idea? Hal gets all the blame for that as well probably because he’s an accountant, but I doubt he came with the 189 (no) plan by himself

  46. jacksquat September 29th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “At what point in time does Cashman take responsibility for how things transpire on his watch?”

    You mean come on this board and answer the usual group (on display today) that thinks Cashman is the point man for practically all things wrong with the Yankees?

  47. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Andy definitely felt disrespected. His coming back doesn’t mean he didn’t.

  48. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    I think the Yankees are back to making baseball decisions by committee.

    And by non-baseball types too.

    That can’t be good for the baseball side of things.

    That needs to change.

    Guys like Levine having any serious input on baseball matters is counterproductive.

    Unless your only aim is marketing and finance.

    ;)

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Glad Joe left Andy in last night.

    Just too bad he didn’t have the sense to leave him in to pitch to Matt Wieters when a postseason berth was still in play.

  50. jacksquat September 29th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Really, how could an accountant come up with an idea to save money…

    :roll:

  51. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    ton*

    Ugh.

    I’m usually not a Yankee defender, mind you, but that particular transaction always bothered me. It was un-Yankee like at the time and never made any sense unless there were other variables. It’s probably one of the few times I defend the org completely.

    If Andy wanted to pitch next year, the team would welcome him back again with open arms. I wish they would have given Bernie and Jorgie one final year. Neither got the send off they deserved for everything they gave to this team. It borderline disgusts me.

  52. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Really, how could an accountant come up with an idea to save money…”

    What you really mean is lose money.

  53. jacksquat September 29th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 9:51 am
    Ah, if you are going to glorify Cashman

    See, after 20 negative comments about Cashman, someone dares post something positive about Cashman (this time Blake) and all of a sudden he is being “glorified”.

    This is how this board gets when a “certain combination” get here.

    Cya.

  54. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Any GM coming over to the Yankees from a smaller market Team would have to feel like they just hit lotto.

    :)

  55. TKR September 29th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Cashman isn’t the whole reason the NYY are in this position right now, but he’s part of the reason..plus the three bad contracts the have on the books right now are dragging them down and if they give Cano anything near 10/300 it will put this team in a hole for years..unless they raise their payroll to 250 mil..

  56. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    jack squat, I think my response was balanced; don’t conflate my posts with others and quote out of the context of what I was saying; it is disingenuous. I’m heading to the farmer’s market. Cya too.

  57. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Shame

    Waiting until the last day of a 15 day exclusive window to make a low ball offer to Andy was not exactly showing him the love. ( sorry for the run on sentence)

    And as YF pointed out, they were probably working on replacing him with Brown during that time frame.

    As a Yankee fan, sorry to say that sucks.

  58. blake September 29th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “My biggest issue with Cashman is the lack of player development since he took over the farm in 2005.”

    It’s true but as I’ve said many times before…..it’s a lot more difficult to develop a great farm system wen you pick at the back Of the draft every year……they have developed supplemental players ok……they just haven’t developed stars because most of those guys get draft in the top 15 and move fast……it’s hard to mess up Bryce Harper or Manny Machado…..the yanks don’t get those guys

  59. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    It’s was discussed last year at length but I think the problem with Cash and the FO is they weren’t on the same page… I think Cash thought he’d have money to spend until he just didn’t.

    The reports throughout the season have been especially interesting if you’re reading between the lines. Early in the year, there were reports that the FO was basically waiting/hoping that Cash’s farm system would show up this season or sometime very soon. It was almost presented like a ‘put up or shut up’ situation. I found that incredibly telling. Then you have that meeting that took place a couple months ago where apparently Hal wanted to know wtf was going on with the farm and why no one was making noise. The fact that this private meeting was reported in the papers tells me that Hal wants people to see he’s engaged… but also that Cash is being set up to move on. Cash’s public statements have also been very peculiar over the last two season. Is there another GM in baseball that openly admits to not endorsing deals the org he works for has made? Cash taking credit for the Wells deal and then saying he was not behind the Sori move may be my favorite moments of an abysmal season because… if Levine is making better deals than you are….. I just…. I don’t know.

  60. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Shame-

    “if Levine is making better deals than you are….. I just…. I don’t know.”

    When it comes to the baseball side of things Levine couldn’t find his a*s w his own 2 hands.

    So there is no way Cashman is worse than him.

    He should stick to finance and marketing and leave the baseball side of things to the professionals.

    They don’t tell him how to get financing for stadiums do they ?

    ;)

  61. Tar September 29th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “if Levine is making better deals than you are….. I just…. I don’t know.”

    :D oops

  62. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    It was OK to do things by committee when you had a strong leader (GMS) at the helm to sort things out.

    But not when you have Hal whose love are his spreadsheets rather than baseball.

    ;)

  63. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    blake September 29th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “My biggest issue with Cashman is the lack of player development since he took over the farm in 2005.”

    It’s true but as I’ve said many times before…..it’s a lot more difficult to develop a great farm system wen you pick at the back Of the draft every year……they have developed supplemental players ok……they just haven’t developed stars because most of those guys get draft in the top 15 and move fast……it’s hard to mess up Bryce Harper or Manny Machado…..the yanks don’t get those guys

    —————

    See I don’t think they should need to draft high to dig out talent in the drafts. But I think the farm goes a little beyond Cash too… he’s the ultimate decider so he should be held responsible at the end of the day but the scouting needs to be there and (way more importantly) the coaching in the minors needs to be top notch. You might not acquire stars through the draft but with the right people in place in the system you should be able to hone the skills of players and turn them into solid professionals. I think the area that’s been most glaring is the pitching… we just didn’t seem to have anyone in the org that could help our young arms develop. With some changes now made to that particular aspect of the system, we need to see if it nets results. The problem is the trial and error can cost you a few years of talent if you get it wrong.

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Doreen September 29th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Andy can’t feel too disrespected since he kept coming back…
    ///

    He clearly felt disrespected and has euphemistically and carefully expressed it a few times, also saying “I understand” that they were concerned about his health.

    I don’t think it’s about having not felt disrespected or unwanted; he has expressed that in so many words that he did feel that way.

    It’s not really dissimilar to Jorge deciding – hey – do I want to really let these people have it, and cut myself off from the Yankees? Physically separate myself from the Stadium and the guys I played with, who are still playing, and possibly harm our legacy together in the malleable public eye? Or do I want to just move past that noise and be peaceful?

    I’m betting Bernie made that choice, too.

    They’re the ones who were in the trenches together, they’re the ones who won on the field, and so you might say that turning the other cheek – and in Andy’s case, allowing him to have a reunion with his mates and another shot at another ring together in pinstripes – in Jorge’s case, not letting them turn his final season into something ugly that could wrench him away from the Stadium in post-playing years, instead of the proud farewell and lovefest it turned out to be because of his teammates and the fans, and no thanks to the FO – not letting the suits keep them out of OTDs and ST and the goodwill of some fans – some of whom are easily manipulated by FO strategems to make players look greedy, like quitters, etc – was a conscious choice I think guys like Jorge, Bernie and even Pettitte, made.

  65. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    “it’s a lot more difficult to develop a great farm system wen you pick at the back” trade your soon to be mlb-ready players.

    fixed. :)

  66. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Cashman gets credit for placing renewed emphasis on the Farm.

    But he has a Team in place that might just be letting him down. He put them there or at least accommodates their presence. So that part is on him.

    Maybe they should also be replaced as you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ears.

    Not only that drafting players is far from an exact science.

    And I think Newman has to bear a huge portion of the responsibility as well.

    He oversees the development of players once they join the organization.

    I doubt Cashman has the ability to fire Newman.

    It might even be the other way round.

    ;)

  67. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    So there is no way Cashman is worse than him.

    ———————-

    I hear ya!! But man, the Soriano deal when Mo went down was a god-send. The initial trade for Ichiro worked out really well as he had a great few months with the team. The Soriano deal this year worked out incredibly well.

    I don’t like Levine at all lol… but he’s gotten a couple things right. I mean.. he got the Ichiro 2-year deal wrong. And probably plenty more than that. It’s just a weird dynamic to have right now. Where everyone seems to be acting independently of each other – and making it known.

  68. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Andy can’t feel too disrespected since he kept coming back…
    ///
    He clearly felt disrespected and has euphemistically and carefully expressed it a few times, also saying “I understand” that they were concerned about his health.
    ***
    He repeatedly said, he went to Houston because “they really wanted me,” which at the time everyone understand to mean that Andy felt that the Yankees didn’t really want him.

  69. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Shame-

    It is indeed. And that was more acceptable when we had a strong leader at the top.

    It isn’t now IMO.

    Pointing fingers and CYA’ing is a sure sign of being dysfunctional.

    A total revamping is in order IMO w everyone’s spheres of responsibility clearly defined.

    People from the outside should be brought in since they are more likely to see things w fresh eyes.

  70. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    *understood

  71. TKR September 29th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    lets not get carried away with the Soriano deal ..it was a salary dump by the Cubs & for what the NYY gave up for him it has the looks like nobody else wanted him..

  72. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    And the Soriano thing only looked good because of luck.

    And w hindsight.

    No one could predict that Mo wouldn’t be available.

  73. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    And we don’t even know for sure that was Levine’s idea.

    ;)

  74. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I have a problem w non-baseball types making baseball decisions.

    ;)

  75. BIG AL September 29th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Watching last nights game, all I can say it was a story book ending for Andy, and a well deserved ending to a great baseball career.

    Good luck Andy!

  76. Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    TKR September 29th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    lets not get carried away with the Soriano deal ..it was a salary dump by the Cubs & for what the NYY gave up for him it has the looks like nobody else wanted him..

    ——–

    Absolutely.. but so was Wells and based on the numbers from past seasons I would have taken Soriano during ST over Wells in a heartbeat.

    MTU – Cash did say it wasn’t his decision and I think there were reports that Levine orchestrated the deal but I could be wrong. I believe that was always the impression that was left, however.

  77. MTU September 29th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Time for a short hike.

    Catch you later.

    :)

  78. TKR September 29th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Shame Spencer September 29th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Absolutely.. but so was Wells and based on the numbers from past seasons I would have taken Soriano during ST over Wells in a heartbeat.
    —————————————————————————
    problem is if they got Sori in ST the NYY were going the have to pay a lot more to get him in terms of player personal and the Cubs would have paid a lot less of his contract to them

  79. MG September 29th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2013 at 9:45 am
    Tar,

    I agree with your take.

    Torre was extremely p*ssed how Andy was left to twist in the wind and wanted him back.

    Remember it like yesterday.

    As for MG’s correction” that Andy was hurt in 2004 (revealingly, made about a brief exchange with occurred like over 10 hours or so ago) no one needs your lesson.

    I have raised several times in four years here that Andy would have swung that ALCS in our favor, as we lacked not just a good LHP, but ANY LHP, to antidote Boston’s LHH.

    A Yankee fan who didn’t know about the elbow and what chanced that year would have to be brain dead; I’m sure as sharp a knife as poster tucker, who raised it last night, also knew about the elbow.

    The point has always been a theoretical one, and one does not know what would have occurred had Andy stayed. But it remains a strategic, theoretical point, so your attempt to undercut people here in a brief exchange you were not even present for, falls flat.
    ——————–
    It only falls flat on your deaf ears.

    I happened to watch the Astros feed of the 9th inning of last night’s game (this morning) to see what they were saying and much of the conversation was about how tough Andy was in 2004 by pitching through elbow problems for the entire season until he had the surgery in August.

    According to them, he pitched for 4 months with highly diminished stuff and velocity and basically toughed out each and every game.

    There was no way even a guy as tough as Andy was going to do that for the whole season and come back strong in 2005.

    So there is no alternate universe where Andy could have saved the 2004 ALCS, the facts are the facts, and no matter how many times you repeat it, in the same manner you repeat stupid takes on prospects, it won’t change history.

  80. blake September 29th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “See I don’t think they should need to draft high to dig out talent in the drafts”

    Not saying they can’t or shouldn’t do better…..just saying it’s harder than it seems.

    I posed this question a couple of days ago and nobody bit…..so here goes again.

    List the top 25 players in baseball in your opinion and then count how many of them the Yankees could have gotten…..it’ll be different for everyone but the % of top players they never have a shot at will be high…..and most of the ones they did are international guys

  81. BIG AL September 29th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    The Stein Bros. must be proud of the fact they are over seeing the fall from power and contention of a great baseball organization.

    If these 2 morons do not like, nor enjoy the game, sell the team and get on with that you do enjoy. Leave baseball to baseball people.

    George must be looking down on his sons and saying, What was I thinking!

  82. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “in the same manner you repeat stupid takes on prospects”
    ____
    I enjoy others’ takes on the prospects. Not sure why that has to be denigrated. No one is pretending to be a scout. It is just a sharing of what people see. From those who go to Trenton to tyanks in Tampa in the old days to Tucker in AFL games to Luis in Venezuela. A genuine sharing of what people see. That is all it is. Not sure why this is such a thing with you. Heading to farmer’s market now. Enjoy your day.

  83. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    The “Moron Steinbrothers” have a much better percentage of making the post-season than dear old Dad.

    Or did you forget 1982-94? Ah, the good old days!

    Blake… its an interesting question…. I’ll ruminate for a while, but not sure I want to do 25.

    Are you talking about best players right now or the first 25 I would select if I had my pick?? Position players? Pitchers? A mix?

  84. Frankg September 29th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    TKR: Best of Cashman’s trades:

    Good trade by Cashman: Nick Swisher to the Yankees (with Kanekoa Texeira) for Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez.

    Agree though, he generally makes lousy trades.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock September 29th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    MG,

    You cherry pick an exchange in a game thread that was all about honoring Andy Pettitte, one that happened without you being on the board, and try to puff yourself up at others’ expense.

    What else is new. It’s either some slap at someone else, or you vowing to never return.

    The prospect stuff? Yeah, who’d want to discuss that on a Yankee board.

  86. blake September 29th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    “Are you talking about best players right now or the first 25 I would select if I had my pick?? Position players? Pitchers? A mix?”

    Lets say the top overall 25 players right now

  87. yankeefeminista September 29th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    “and most of the ones they did are international guys”

    Meaning they are vindicated or just stupid? Got to go or I will get none of that sweet basil or NJ just picked tomatoes, but I would like to see a past five years top 25 prospect to mlb list of players we might have been able to sign. Bet there are a few but point taken. What is yours, blake? and as for the international lack of signings, does that vindicate the Yankees because they weren’t draft picks or just make the Yanks appear stupid? Puig, Cespedes, Darvish, etc. I will continue to go on record saying our last year young IFA signings were phenomenal. Catch you later.

  88. BIG AL September 29th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 10:52 am
    The “Moron Steinbrothers” have a much better percentage of making the post-season than dear old Dad.
    ********************************************
    George took a team that was not contenders, and built them up from the time he took control.

    George was always trying to improve the team, and cost be dammed.

    George loved baseball, and his team, whereas his sons only care about the bottom line, and it appears they’d rather make more money than the PS.

    You are free to think the Stein Bros. want to build a championship team, but, I believe they only care about putting more profit in their pockets first and foremost.

    Remember, George had to build a championship quality team, whereas the Stein Bros. inherited a championship caliber team, and continue to make poor judgement calls, and run the team into the ground.

  89. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    In case you’re keeping score —

    George was The Boss 1973-2006 — 34 seasons, 18 post-seasons, 15 Div. titles, 6 W.S. wins

    Hank was the primary decision maker 2007-08… 2 years, 1post-season, o div titles, 0 W.S.

    Hal formally took over in the fall of 2008. —5 years, four post-seasons, 3 div titles, 1 W.S.

  90. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    George re-built the Yankees and deserves all of our gratitude and respect for that.

    He also ran the club like a spoiled rich brat from 1982-94. It was Gene Michael who rebuilt the Yankees the second time around while The boss was serving time in baseball’s prison. Fortunately he was much less hands-on after hiring Torre for the 1996 season.

  91. BIG AL September 29th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Hal formally took over in the fall of 2008. —5 years, four post-seasons, 3 div titles, 1 W.S.
    ********************************************
    Look at what you are saying!

    Hal takes control, and the monster team of 2009 wins the WS, and the team starts it slide under his control.

    Hal had nothing to do with the 2009 team he inherited control of, but his decisions from that point, to today, reflect the down turn in the Yankees.

  92. TKR September 29th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    who cares about the past..it’s about the present and future of the team, and at this moment this team has no direction what so ever …they will continue to sign players that nobody wants to 1 year 10 mil contracts (Stop Gap) & live with those 3 contracts that are hurting them

  93. BIG AL September 29th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Later folks – Y’all have a great day.

  94. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    who cares about the past..it’s about the present and future of the team, and at this moment this team has no direction what so ever …they will continue to sign players that nobody wants to 1 year 10 mil contracts (Stop Gap) & live with those 3 contracts that are hurting them

    ***************************************************************************

    You know the old adage; those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. If they fall into the pattern of throwing money at every problem then we could see another 1982-94 type drought and I’m too damn old for that.

    They do have a “direction” and that is to get under the luxury tax while fielding a championship contending club. That appears to be a very difficult challenge with the monster contracts already on hand and the one they’ll have to add in order to keep Cano. Hal has repeatedly stated that the goal of getting under the tax will not take precedence over winning and I’m willing to take him at his word.

    The next five months will be quite instructive as it relates to that situation since it is the most volatile off-season the Yanks have faced perhaps ever.

  95. chicken_stanley September 29th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Heard this on the radio Friday and meant to pass along… in history there have been 12 people who have walked on the moon… there have been 11 people who have gotten a hit off Mo I the world series. So, it must be easier to walk on the moon :)

  96. jpb173 September 29th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    BIG AL September 29th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Hal formally took over in the fall of 2008. —5 years, four post-seasons, 3 div titles, 1 W.S.
    ********************************************
    Look at what you are saying!

    Hal takes control, and the monster team of 2009 wins the WS, and the team starts it slide under his control.

    Hal had nothing to do with the 2009 team he inherited control of, but his decisions from that point, to today, reflect the down turn in the Yankees.

    ==========================================

    I’m not a fan of Hal’s but must admit that he had nothing to do with the aging of Jeter, Pettitte, Posada, Matsui, Rivera, Damon and ARod. Even the old man couldn’t stop father time from slowing those guys down.

    The reality is that the Yankees decline is because of the failure of the minor league system (something that Cashman’s department was responsible for)…not a failure to spend money.

  97. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    The reality is that the Yankees decline is because of the failure of the minor league system (something that Cashman’s department was responsible for)…not a failure to spend money.

    **************************************************************************

    Agreed. The “Hal is a Cheapskate” crowd is completely off base.

    Looking ahead at the very least I would like to see changes in scouting and player development. They need someone who is willing to push players along rather than letting them get bored when they stay too long at one level.

  98. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    One more thing on Hal —

    He DID authorize the signings of CC, Tex and AJ that were critical to the 2009 W.S. Championship so to say he had nothing to do with that title is completely erroneous.

  99. 86w183 September 29th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    gotta run…. may be back post-game, otherwise i’ll see the morning crew tomorrow

    Have a day!


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