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The cautionary tale of Carlos Beltran (and somehow I’m involved)

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Cano (2)As expected, there was no real news coming out of today’s Brian Cashman press conference. The organization’s pro-scouting meetings begin on Monday, at which point the Yankees will hammer out some sort of early strategy for this offseason.

Cashman left open the possibility of changes in the player development department, but he made it clear that he wants to bring back Joe Girardi as manager; and if Girardi comes back, the Yankees expect to re-hire the same coaching staff.

Asked whether Robinson Cano’s free agency affects the process moving forward, Cashman said this:

“I think that gets dictated by our discussions. That has nothing to do with the process itself. That’s an individual player conversation. I could have an interest in Chad Jennings to a certain level, and you negotiate what you negotiate, and we either find common ground or we don’t.”

I can promise you I would be much cheaper, much less effective, and much more likely to run hard out of the box.

Ultimately, Cashman’s point was this: The Yankees will try to re-sign Cano. That will be a starting point of the plan, but they’ll have to recognize if/when it becomes time to move on.

“I remember years ago, the Houston Astros were in a tug-of-war with the New York Mets over Carlos Beltran,” Cashman said. “They waited the entire winter, and then when Beltran made the decision and went to the Mets, there was nothing left on the board. That’s a problem you don’t want to be into. I think (Beltran) didn’t make his decision until, off the top of my head, January. They put all eggs in that little basket, and then it wasn’t there for them in the end, and it affected their winter and their catchup after that.

“Those things are things you have to deal with. Those are the pressure points you work through, and you rely on the experience. I think being in this chair as long as I have, I’ve got a lot of those types of experiences to rely on as I make my decisions of what we should or shouldn’t do and share those accounts. We’ve been there, done that, and we’re not afraid of it, but at the same time, it’s our job to look at retaining Robinson Cano, but I’ll obviously look at whatever the alternatives have to be in the event that’s not possible. But our hope is to retain him.”

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143 Responses to “The cautionary tale of Carlos Beltran (and somehow I’m involved)”

  1. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 1st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Don’t retain Robber Cano unless he agrees to 6 years 120 million.

  2. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 1st, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Tex message has more commerce going on his Twitter account than the GDP of Panama. Uh, it’s not about the money. Nah, greedy players don’t exist.

  3. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Man. This guy is so full of it. He could fill a warehouse.

    He should run for office he’d fit right in.

    And yeah. He’s experienced and he knows exactly what he is doing.

    Too funny. Try a little humility next time.

    Cashman: I’ve been around and I know the score.

    What a hoot.

    :)

  4. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Tex shills every type of product known to mankind.

  5. hardwired7 October 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Don’t settle for anything less than $10M per, Chad. They need you more than you need them.

  6. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    If Cashman was actually as good as he thinks he is we wouldn’t be in the position we are in right now.

    I wouldn’t rate him as any better than avg.

    And that might be a generous score.

  7. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 1st, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Jeter has the nerve talking about 189 million as being more than enough for payroll. His bloated salary was 10% of that amount before he came down to earth.

  8. Cashmoney October 1st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    WTF is Cashman talking about, the 12 winter was all about cautionary tales of waiting on kuroda and pitching while ignore the pool available fa hitters then garbage diving for the less desirable.

    this organization has no clue.

    learn to execute faster and better, period.

  9. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Anyway.

    This Organization needs change desperately.

    And a fresh approach.

    Sounds like we may not be getting it.

    :(

  10. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 1st, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Hilarious “Randy Levine is the devil” sign outside of Aroid’s hearing.

  11. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Thanks Cash.

    Glad someone else is noticing.

    ;)

  12. Cashmoney October 1st, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    it’s like hearing from a mental midget MTU, no offense to midgets. anywho, i am out.

  13. Cashmoney October 1st, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    on arod, wtf cares, wake me up when decision is rendered. we gonna get post a day for this crapola?

  14. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    It really is time for change in Yankeeland.

    Hearing Cashman speak convinces more than ever that his usefulness as a GM has expired.

    He clings to the past like Saran wrap.

    :)

  15. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I’m surprised I still have an appetite.

    Time for lunch.

    See ya’ later.

  16. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I’m shocked Cashman didn’t tell a reporter to STFU.

  17. Against All Odds October 1st, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    Sounds like we may not be getting it.

    ————————-

    Outside of changing guys like Opp or Newman I didn’t see changes to the organization not including roster construction.

  18. blake October 1st, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    I’m not attributing it entirely to Girardi, but let’s face it: He really made the best out of an unthinkably bad situation. Unfortunately, it looks like it’s going to be a pretty bad situation moving forward. They’d be fools not to go with the man who’s shown that he can get the best out of a lackluster group. ”

    This

  19. blake October 1st, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    I really hope Cashman sticks to that and doesn’t out all the eggs in the Cano basket….. They shoulda me their best offer and put a time limit on it

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Shame – thanks for all the updates on the presser. Happy to hear that it at least sounds like Girardi is coming back.

    **********
    “Uh, move him to LF or RF? And put Cespedes in the other spot? And, um, don’t spend $20M on Ichiro and Wells? Just another wacky thought.

    Don’t be so concerned with proving yourself right.”

    Yeah, and um, put Swisher somewhere around you where the sun doesn’t shine? Plus I think you might have your dates a little mixed up there sluggo, since Cespedes signed for the 2012 season and Wells wasn’t here until 2013. Once again, a case of this is the way I want it, so whether or not it makes any sense at all Yankees, do it. Because I said so. Always a good move to get an unknown in when you have your outfield already set up. :roll:

    Though I guess they could fall back on their success with Contreras and really assure themselves they want to give Cespedes a roll, regardless of cost and full-time players already in the outfield.

    It’s actually nice when someone here suggests a player acquisition that makes sense in terms of reality, as I said before. Unusual, but nice.

    ***************

    “trisha – Perhaps I missed him. I got a rather cryptic message from your friend regarding retaliatory tactics that would be taken should he return so I was wondering if he popped in at all.”

    :( I didn’t know that. SMH. I’m pretty sure I saw a post from him one night recently that mentioned some under/over or something like that. Not sure if there were other posts from him.

    ************

    “Same thing with Montero. They could have got him time at C/DH/1B. Its not difficult”

    They apparently didn’t value him or want him enough to do that. Can you think of any other player they’ve done similar things with, straight from the minors? Any team? I can see a team using someone who is absolutely tried and true, at different positions. Not someone who’s had limited time in the majors and whose ability at one of those positions is questionable at best. But the bottom line is that they didn’t want to retain the kid.

    I can absolutely understand someone questioning who he was traded for, even if I don’t agree with it. I believe both blake and YF felt that he should have been used as a trade chip for a young bat. That’s different from saying the Yankees could reconfigure their entire team to fit him in.

  21. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Blake-

    I don’t always like the way Joe G. manages but you can’t argue w the results.

    He did a studly job w a team decimated by injuries.

  22. jacksquat October 1st, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Tom, “same old” means same manager, same coaching staff, same general approach.

    Wasn’t expecting a signing.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    I actually didn’t hear anything so horrid in what Cashman has said. It was pretty basic.

    Why not wait to see what moves are made before you throw him away with yesterday’s newspaper?

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    I think it’s phenomenally cool that Cashman even knows Chad’s name, let alone the fact that he referenced him!

    Chad, I do believe you have the in everybody has been looking for.

    :D

  25. Hankflorida October 1st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Waiting for Cano will definitely cause problems if delayed, but the starting pitching must stand as the first order of business no matter what transpires after. Cashman says that Pineda will be given a chance to compete for a spot in the starting rotation which means a question mark. We are down to two starters and three blank spaces, and that means Phelps, Warren, Nuno and Huff have to compete for the three spots. This scenario is unacceptable as these pitchers should be just competing for a place as a fifth starter, and in order to alleviate this dilemma, the Yankees have to try and sign Kuroda and buy a battle tested fourth starter. Sign Girardi and the coaches and then, pitching, pitching, pitching!

  26. jacksquat October 1st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    What specifically did Girardi do that supposedly made this team perform better than expected?

    He doesn’t do anything even remotely creative or unusual. He would be very easy to emulate.

  27. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Trisha-

    What many of us heard was the same approach as in recent years.

    Some were hoping for “fresh” thinking.

    That is not horrid but disappointing to some who were hoping to hear a bold new approach in a time of change.

    And of course we await the “moves” but the tone did not give some of us the warm fuzzies.

    So I guess we’ll see. And go from there.

    Anyway, you couldn’t tie me down w lead weights right now.

    If you get my drift.

    :)

  28. blake October 1st, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    jacksquat says:
    October 1, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    What specifically did Girardi do that supposedly made this team perform better than expected?

    It’s very hard to quantify what a manager does….all I know is that the Yankees overachieved in 2012 and they really did this year too considering the team they had.

    One if the more impressive things he did though was take Arod (an incredible distraction) when he came back and actually turn that situation into something that fueled the team and sparked a winning streak……I thought he handled that whole thing amazingly well.

    Girardi understands what it means to wear that uniform

  29. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    It’s actually nice when someone here suggests a player acquisition that makes sense in terms of reality, as I said before. Unusual, but nice.

    You’re the one ignoring the reality of major league playing time with this argument. Please stop. There is no REALITY which said the Yankees had zero room for Cespedes. Especially given their roster which was already quite versatile.

    And Montero absolutely could have been a backup catcher + part time DH. I am sure there have been rookies who have played more than 1 position. The rays played Wil Myers at 3 including DH. But the Yankees being able to play him / find room is a different argument than the Yankees should not have traded him or traded him for something else.

  30. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “Yeah, and um, put Swisher somewhere around you where the sun doesn’t shine? ”

    trisha,

    Why so confrontational and nasty? The Yanks could have easily traded Swisher to make room for Cespedes. They weren’t planning to resign Swisher anyway.

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    MTU – I don’t know that not hearing a fresh approach necessarily means that there won’t be some good surprises in store. Of course it doesn’t mean that there will, but all things are possible.

    :)

  32. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    Remember that time in 2012 when Raul Ibanez played 110 games in the outfield? Gee I wish we had some kind of affordable, upside laden cuban outfielder instead.

  33. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    JF-

    I’m not sure Montero could have played 1B at the time. I still think the deal made sense when it was made.

  34. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    JF-

    Glad to see you posting once more.

  35. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I’m not sure Montero could have played 1B at the time. I still think the deal made sense when it was made.

    It was possible, probably not preferable, just possible. If they could play Damon, Sheffield, Posada, et al at 1st I think they could have given Montero a go with some time in ST. But they showed they werent willing to give him playing time then traded him, its whatever.

  36. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Trisha-

    I feel you but I still would have liked to hear something that indicated it would be forthcoming.

    We will see. As Blake has said earlier, “Actions speak louder than words”.

    I am not nearly as pessimistic as some.

    I always try to be as optimistic as I can within my frame of reference.

    Right now my position is one of optimism tempered by w healthy dose of skepticism.

  37. jacksquat October 1st, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Girardi basically just didn’t say anything controversial and tried to stay out of it as much as possible. That was well executed but pretty standard.

  38. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    I am glad JF is back as well.

    We always can use a good numbers Man around here.

    :)

  39. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    “Right now my position is one of optimism tempered by w healthy dose of skepticism.”

    Due to the string of poor decisions the Yankees made last off-season, I see no reason to be optimistic.

    I remain willing to be pleasantly surprised.

  40. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Got $250 on a parlay of Arsenal, Chelsea, and Atletico Madrid wins for a win of $1880. Is anyone else a fan of soccer?

  41. Bad Scooter October 1st, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    What did you guys expect to come out of this Cashman PC? Major changes? Come on. Cashman isn’t going anywhere. If Girardi wants to come back and they reach an agreement he’ll be back with all the same coaches. Did you expect a decision on that today?

    The only thing we can hope for are changes on the player development side down in the minors.

    That and they give up on this 189 million cap. You’re hearing rumblings that this might happen. If it does great, but it really screwed the 2013 season for us as that 189 million was such a huge factor in our offseason last year.

  42. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Every case made for both Beltran and Cespedes was grounded in reality. Every Yankee team uses at least 5-6 OFers throughout the course of a season. The plans for playing time were always well outlined on the board when arguments were made for acquiring both of those guys.

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    “Why so confrontational and nasty? The Yanks could have easily traded Swisher to make room for Cespedes. They weren’t planning to resign Swisher anyway.”

    Because I didn’t need you to tell me not to be so concerned with proving myself right. Or are you thinking that haughtiness is a one-way street?

    You have no idea whether or not they were planning to re-sign Swisher! If Swisher had knocked the tar off the ball during the 2012 postseason, they would have been crazy not to re-sign him!

    ****************
    “But the Yankees being able to play him / find room is a different argument than the Yankees should not have traded him or traded him for something else.”

    Yes it is. And I’m saying I absolutely respect anyone making a case for believing he should have been traded for someone else if he was traded. I have little respect for the arguments that the Yankees need to twist themselves into pretzels to accommodate the desires of some of their fans.

    I guess it’s difficult to accept that they weren’t high enough on Montero to devise an entire new way of doing business, with a rookie player. But it is what it is. But then again, I’ve never seen them high enough on any rookie player that they’ve put him into several positions just to get him playing time.

  44. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    WYH-

    It is my basic nature is all.

    Also to be skeptical and question things.

    Maybe guarded optimism is the correct term.

    ;)

  45. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Montero stunk up the joint in the minor leagues, was the worst rated catcher of all ML catchers last season, was suspended for use of performance enhancing drugs. Let’s not play revisionist history with Montero.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    “Every case made for both Beltran and Cespedes was grounded in reality. Every Yankee team uses at least 5-6 OFers throughout the course of a season. The plans for playing time were always well outlined on the board when arguments were made for acquiring both of those guys.”

    Shame, apparently it’s your opinion they were grounded in reality. It’s mine that they weren’t. And I’m not talking about Carlos Beltran. I’m talking about Cespedes.

    Unless of course you were thinking that they would get Cespedes and sit their regulars so he could rotate playing time. Teams don’t typically do that with “phenoms”, which is what I think many of you were thinking Cespedes would be. And I’d be surprised if Cespedes would go to a team with the thought of being platooned when he could go to another team, get the money he’s looking for, and play full time. Just a guess.

  47. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    The one I really pine for is Puig.

    He is on his way to stardom.

    And is very exciting to watch.

    A Latin version of Mike Trout.

    :(

  48. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “Because I didn’t need you to tell me not to be so concerned with proving myself right. Or are you thinking that haughtiness is a one-way street?”

    I sincerely believe you would be happier if you weren’t so concerned with being right. And no one was nasty to you, you were nasty all by yourself.

    “You have no idea whether or not they were planning to re-sign Swisher!”

    They clearly had no intention of re-signing him.

    You are the one on the high horse about it being unrealistic to sign Cespedes. It is obvious now that it was far from unrealistic.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “Montero stunk up the joint in the minor leagues, was the worst rated catcher of all ML catchers last season, was suspended for use of performance enhancing drugs. Let’s not play revisionist history with Montero.”

    There were some posters who suggested that the Yankees weren’t happy with some things about Montero, I think something about his attitude in the minors. Don’t remember exactly. They also suggested that the Yankees might have had their reasons for trading him and that they had no intention of keeping him. So that’s another possibility.

    It doesn’t look like they got it wrong at this point.

  50. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    “Montero stunk up the joint in the minor leagues, was the worst rated catcher of all ML catchers last season, was suspended for use of performance enhancing drugs. Let’s not play revisionist history with Montero.”

    That was all after the trade though. Pineda and Montero have been about an even swap so far, no need to rehash it all.

  51. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Cespedes and Beltran required the same argument: that you could really need 4 available big league ready OFers (we have 4 signed next year, btw, and many assume we need another since 3 of the 4 are Soriano, Ichiro and Wells – I don’t see a huge debate over how they’ll parse out playing time).

    What the expectations for Cespedes are is/was irrelevant to how much playing time he’d get on a team like the Yankees in his rookie year. He was going to the team that paid the most. That team was the A’s that got him on a reasonable deal and it worked out well for them. But the concept that there would be no room for another big league OFer on that club in 2012 – when they signed a 4th OFer, btw, in Ibanez, saying nothing of Andruw Jones – is not based at all in reality.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “I sincerely believe you would be happier if you weren’t so concerned with being right.”

    I will refrain from psychoanalyzing you. Just let me assure you that I am quite happy. And check this out. It has nothing to do with me being right. It has to do with the YANKEES being right. :)

    It must be very hard for you to believe you know better than they do and then have them defy you and set up the team in a different way from what you are suggesting. Try to deal with it.

    And um, it’s still as unrealistic that they could have signed Cespedes as it was back when you were railing about it. By the way, I had no idea that you were one of the railers.

  53. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    There is just nothing unrealistic about carrying 4 talented guys for your OF. 162 games is a lot to work with. With all the Girardi love in here today you’d think people would be willing to give him credit that he could keep everyone fresh, healthy and happy. Having 4 talented OFers is one of those ‘good problems’ people talk about.

  54. Tidrow October 1st, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Pro scouting meetings? Are these the meetings where they come up with the brilliant ideas to sign the Welles, Hafners, Youkalis of the world? pro scouts=dumpster diving analysts in the Yankee universe. Problem with Yankee organization is that there is no accountability. From the front office down to the players on the field.

  55. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    And um, it’s still as unrealistic that they could have signed Cespedes as it was back when you were railing about it. By the way, I had no idea that you were one of the railers.

    But its not. And you’ve had multiple explanations given to you for its realism. The yankees themselves have carried 4 legit outfielders multiple times. This says nothing for the chance of injuries.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Cespedes and Beltran required the same argument: that you could really need 4 available big league ready OFers”

    Then perhaps someone else will discuss Beltran with you. I don’t believe you get someone with Cespedes’s supposed cachet to platoon time. I’m betting that the majority of the free world would agree with that. But because a few Yankee fans here thought they wanted Cespedes, all of a sudden it would be just fine to platoon a premier player.

    That dog don’t hunt.

  57. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Its not like they were signing 3 1st basemen to 7 year contracts. The outfield would have been crowded for 1 year. 1 of the Ofers is Brett Gardner, someone who many think is a 4th OFer anyways, and another is Swisher who can play 1st and DH!

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    JMO of course.

    :)

    Later y’all.

  59. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Trisha-

    My dogs will hunt given a chance.

    They’re small but they’re mighty.

    ;)

  60. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Cespedes platooned in Oakland, so I guess it wasnt an issue.

  61. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    “I will refrain from psychoanalyzing you. Just let me assure you that I am quite happy. And check this out. It has nothing to do with me being right. It has to do with the YANKEES being right.”

    I’ll be honest, I don’t think you are happy. And the Yankees weren’t right, or they would have had a better outfield in 2013.

    Why are you so hostile? Just discuss things.

    And I never took a position on Cespedes. Your high-horse original post got me thinking about it though.

  62. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Right now we have 3 below average OFers for next year and Brett Gardner… if they aren’t looking to upgrade because they can’t figure out things like playing time that’s going to be a major issue in 2014.

    If they extend the QO to Grandy that’s 5 guys… I’m still very unsure about what they do with Grandy.

  63. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    And speaking of dogs.

    It’s time to give the mops a bath.

    Later.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    jerkface, and what if Cespedes turned out to be a bust?

  65. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    JF-

    They could have easily dealt Swisher. There is no “outfield crowding” argument.

  66. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “My first goal is to make the team and stay healthy all season, and little by little, I’ll make more goals,” Cespedes said.

    The words of a prima donna player that wouldn’t accept having to work a little to become a full time OFer for the NEW YORK YANKEES are you kidding me?

  67. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    “Cespedes and Beltran required the same argument: that you could really need 4 available big league ready OFers”

    Then perhaps someone else will discuss Beltran with you. I don’t believe you get someone with Cespedes’s supposed cachet to platoon time. I’m betting that the majority of the free world would agree with that. But because a few Yankee fans here thought they wanted Cespedes, all of a sudden it would be just fine to platoon a premier player.

    That dog don’t hunt.

    ——————–

    He wasn’t a premier player…? He was an unproven talent that had a lot of raw tools. The A’s signed him as a rookie player. He was a rookie. This year is only his sophomore season. I’m really not sure I understand your argument.. the very worse case scenario in your argument is you are forced to play the kid more because he ends up being even better than advertized…..??

  68. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    jerkface, and what if Cespedes turned out to be a bust?

    What does it have to do with this discussion?

  69. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    4 good OFers makes sense for almost every club in MLB.. the problem is there just isn’t enough talent to go around. Every team uses more than 3 OFers per season. Every single team.

  70. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Every single team.

    And half the teams in baseball have the DH!

  71. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Again… right now we have 4 OFers. Are Wells, Ichiro, Soriano and Gardner enough for the 2014 Yankees to be competitive?

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    “I’ll be honest, I don’t think you are happy.”

    See this alone tells me to stay far away from you. When someone tells me something about myself that is the polar opposite of the truth, it kind of colors for me the person’s judgment in general.

    “Why are you so hostile?” “Your high-horse original post…”

    Yeah, I’ve made the right decision.

  73. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    I’m hoping Wells retires. He ended this season worse than the last 2 years.

  74. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    I don’t even know why this was brought up as an unrealistic argument… many unrealistic arguments have been made on the blog but carrying 4 good OFers is not one of them.

    It’s definitely better than carrying 3 not-so-good OFers like we are right now.

  75. Hankflorida October 1st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Should the Yankees sign Reynolds for 3rd and to give Text a rest at 1st? Reynolds ratio of at bats to homers is high but too many strike outs. I am wondering if he has power to the right field porch in YS which would cut down on his whiffs because of what I have seen, most of his homers are pulled?

  76. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    JF – Yeah I think they tell him to retire as well instead of releasing him. That’d just be sad if they had to do that. Wells is a professional and seems like a real nice guy, but he could get nothing going this season.

  77. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    We had at least 6 outfielders during the season. Aside from Gardner and Soriano, the rest were not quality.

    As an organization trisha, you always want a depth of quality.

  78. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Hank – I think Overbay has better splits vs. RHP… I know Reynolds looked okay for the month or whatever that he played for us but I’d go with the bigger sample size.

  79. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Hankflorida-

    I think Reynolds is an OBP sinkhole and not what the Yanks need. You think he can cut down on his K’s?

  80. blake October 1st, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Jerkface says:
    October 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    I’m hoping Wells retires. He ended this season worse than the last 2 years.

    Ichiro too

  81. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Cashman spoke of players not performing as expected.

    It begs the question of what he expected from Hafner, Youkilis, Ichiro, Wells, Stewart, and a healthy Granderson.

  82. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    blake – You know I was thinking about that… no doubt Ichiro stays next year, though he should be a true 4th OFer. I think he might even go a year beyond that. Maybe Seattle welcomes him back on a cheap one year pact which wouldn’t have been possible before.

  83. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Why would Wells retire? He has one more big payday. Ichiro surely won’t.

    I’m worried the Yanks will hold onto Wells because he is a godsend for the austerity plan in 2014.

  84. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Chris Stewart may also retire.

  85. yankinvegas October 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    I saw that Russell Martin said that maybe the Yankees should reevaluate how they construct a team.
    Wonderful, The NY writers are now asking a .220 hitter for his opinions.
    I am beginning to believe that the organization is embarrassed by what transpired this season and will do whatever it takes to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
    And that’s a good thing.

  86. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Why on God’s green earth would Stewart retire when he’s got a starting job on THE New York Yankees locked up due to poor management?

  87. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Why would Wells retire? He has one more big payday.

    ——————-

    But that payday is coming from other teams whether he plays or not.. though now that you mention it the Yankees might just need to release him so he can get paid anyway since he might forfeit those dollars if he retires (not sure how that works).

  88. tbone1570 October 1st, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    JF – Yeah I think they tell him to retire as well instead of releasing him. That’d just be sad if they had to do that. Wells is a professional and seems like a real nice guy, but he could get nothing going this season.

    ****************************
    Shame,
    Why would Wells retire if the teams wants him to? No reason to turn his back on the guaranteed money that is coming his way next year. Plus, isn’t his 2013 salary offset by the cash coming to the Yanks from the Angels? If so, it would cost nothing to the Yanks to just release him.

  89. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Well… retiring lets you go with a little more dignity than being so bad that people don’t even want you playing for them for free… but whatever floats his boat is fine by me as long as our OF looks better in ST than it does right now.

  90. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    If Wells doesnt retire he should be released, he wont count against 189 regardless of if he is on the team or not, but releasing him stops the Yankees from playing his .600 OPS bat.

  91. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Wells said he would retire after 2014, but I hold out a glimmer of hope that he is so depressed by his inability to play baseball that he ends it. Its unrealistic, just a little hope.

  92. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Hasn’t Wells made enough money for a few good seasons?

    Gil Meche retired years ago with a boatload of cash due him to help the team.

  93. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    It’s really hard to believe Wells is only 34… he looks so much older out there. He was a good ballplayer in his prime but the wheels fell off hard and fast.

  94. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Wells won’t count against the Yankee payroll to any degree in 2014, which is why he’s likely to be on the team.

  95. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    “Yeah, I’ve made the right decision.”

    OK, if that’s the way you want it. Until today I thought we were basically friends, and still would be for my part. And I don’t think you ever posted under multiple names.

  96. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Even with a .220 average, I believe Martin was a league average hitter this season.

    Stewart OTOH was more than 40% below league average. It’s extraordinarily difficult to be that terrible.

  97. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    I’m assuming Cervelli is our C next year with Romine as the BUC and Murphy waiting in the wings. I hope Cervelli gets his hands on those magic lifesavers Conte was talking about….

  98. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “I’m assuming Cervelli is our C next year”

    What makes you think Cervelli can stay in the lineup?

  99. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    “I’m assuming Cervelli is our C next year”

    What makes you think Cervelli can stay in the lineup?

    ———————-

    A burning, blind hope.

  100. tbone1570 October 1st, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    Well… retiring lets you go with a little more dignity than being so bad that people don’t even want you playing for them for free… but whatever floats his boat is fine by me as long as our OF looks better in ST than it does right now.

    *************************

    Well they say everyone has their price. I guess the price of my dignity is somewhat less then $21 million. :)

  101. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Well they say everyone has their price. I guess the price of my dignity is somewhat less then $21 million. :)

    ——————–

    I don’t begrudge the guy at all if he forces us to release him. A final parting gift.

  102. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    The Yanks need a catcher, a right fielder, a third baseman (won’t know until November or December), a shortstop (won’t know until March or April), a second baseman (won’t know until ?), a DH, two top starters and several relievers, including a set-up man/closer.

    Should be a piece of cake.

  103. Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    I really want Kuroda to come back because overall he was very effective, but he was showing his age by the end of the season. He may go have his final hurrah in the NPB with the Carp.

  104. Against All Odds October 1st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm
    jerkface, and what if Cespedes turned out to be a bust?

    —————————–

    Then he busts. The Yankees and made worse decisions than that in recent memory.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    “OK, if that’s the way you want it. Until today I thought we were basically friends, and still would be for my part. And I don’t think you ever posted under multiple names.”

    I thought so too. I think I just get a little chilled when someone psychoanalyzes me here for starters, and then gets it totally wrong. You haven’t done that before but others have, one in particular, and I’m probably reacting to that.

    How anybody who has known me here can question whether or not I’m a happy person almost defies understanding! Have you ever known a Pollyanna not to be happy?

    :D

    We’re good.

  106. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    I think it will be interesting to see whether Kuroda actually wants to come back. I think that’s out to the jury.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 1st, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Jerkface, it is nice to see you back, by the way.

  108. Shame Spencer October 1st, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Jerkface October 1st, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    I really want Kuroda to come back because overall he was very effective, but he was showing his age by the end of the season. He may go have his final hurrah in the NPB with the Carp.

    ——————–

    Depending on the cost it’s possible he could be slotted further back in the order and be made more effective with a bit more rest. It depends on what kind of other options they have for the front end of the rotation and the cost of those acquisitions.

  109. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    trisha-

    I didn’t mean to psychoanalyze you, just to offer a little advice. I apologize if it sounded that way.

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  112. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Randy would be happy JF is back.

    I’d like Randy back too.

    And Nick.

    And Erica.

    And Erin.

    And G. Love.

    And Pat M.

    And m.

    And CB.

    And SJ.

    And Betsy.

    So many people.

    Guess I’ve been here too long.

    :(

  113. TKR October 1st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    MTU October 1st, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    Randy would be happy JF is back.

    I’d like Randy back too.

    And Nick.

    And Erica.

    And Erin.

    And G. Love.

    And Pat M.

    And m.

    And CB.

    And SJ.

    And Betsy.

    So many people.

    Guess I’ve been here too long.
    ——————————————-
    don’t forget joeman

  114. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Yup.

    Joeman too.

    There are others. My apologies if I forgot to mention your name.

    I’m old and forgetful.

    :)

  115. TKR October 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Cervelli …..please don’t let him be the starting catcher next year…here’s hope they sign Salty & Drew

  116. MTU October 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    Rich in NJ where are you ?

    C’mon back.

    :)

  117. Hankflorida October 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    I harken back to the 1940 Yankee team where they had a crafty left hander, Eddie Lopat, which CC may become and a bull dog right hander, Vic Raishi, who Kuroda remind me of. Now all we need is an overpowering pitcher like Allie Reynolds, and a trade or FA is where the Yankees have to look and quickly.

  118. TKR October 1st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    to bad Drew couldn’t play a little 3rd

  119. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Why did those people leave?

    Stopped being Yankees fans due to current management?

  120. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    “Why did those people leave?

    Stopped being Yankees fans due to current management?”

    Nah, interpersonal difficulties.

  121. austinmac October 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Wells .600 OPS is awful. Of course, it is higher than Ichiro’s.

  122. TKR October 1st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    they have Wells & Ichiro but they don’t need them for what they can bring to the field now..

  123. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Ichiro’s awe-inspiring second half slash line:

    .228/.259/.262/.522

  124. YanksPats October 1st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    $1880 is mine!

  125. Wave Your Hat October 1st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    YanksPat-

    Did you have a wager on Ichiro?

  126. TKR October 1st, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    c.Salty
    1b..Tex
    2b..? Cano if not K Johnson
    3rd..trade
    SS..Drew
    OF..Choo
    OF..Gardner (I’ll bite the bullet)
    OF..Morse..bad year and injury this year but a good player
    DH/SS Jeter

  127. TKR October 1st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    cut Wells ..keep Ichiro I guess

  128. TKR October 1st, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    forgot Sori..cut both Wells and Ichiro

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