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The basics of the Alex Rodriguez lawsuit

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 04, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two of my oldest and closest friends are lawyers in St. Louis. Today they’re both at a baseball game while I’m sitting at a desk reading through a 33-page lawsuit. They find this hilarious. I think it’s a bad swap.

Honestly, the entire lawsuit is worth reading. It ranges from fascinating and informative to bizarre and oddly hilarious (mostly because of the over-the-top phrasing).

I’m far from being a legal expert — and my go-to sources of legal help are sitting at Busch Stadium hoping the Cardinals figure out a way to beat Gerrit Cole — but here are a few details from the suit that give a rough idea what it’s all about.

Alex Rodriguez• Rodriguez accuses the league of seeking “vigilante justice” while ignoring the protocol of the collective bargaining agreement. He alleges that the league “paid individuals millions of dollars and made promises of future employment” in exchange for evidence and testimony. He also says that the league “bullied and intimidated those individuals who refused to cooperate with their witch hunt.”

• The suit goes into detail about some of the league’s alleged tactics, including getting one potential witness kicked out of his apartment after he refused to cooperate, and impersonating police officers to force another potential witness’s car to the side of the road “creating a highly dangerous situation.” The suit claims that the league is paying Biogenesis chief Anthony Bosch a total of $5 million for his cooperation.

• According to suit, the league’s “scorched-earth approach” to the Biogenesis investigation was strictly an attempt to “harass and embarrass Mr. Rodriguez and prevent him from performing his agreement with the New York Yankees and from obtaining endorsement deals.” Rodriguez claims that the League’s ongoing investigation and leaking of information — things that happened after the announced suspension — have impaired his ability to have a fair appeal and “interfered with his ability to monetize both his lucrative agreement with the New York Yankees, and potential endorsement deals.”

• The suit notes that Nike and Toyota have already ended endorsement agreements with Rodriguez, and blames those severed agreements on the league’s leaks and accusations.

• One subsection in the lawsuit’s Statement of Facts is labeled: The Disastrous Tenure of Commissioner Selig. In that section, the lawsuit says Selig “deliberately turned a blind eye” to the league’s steroid use following the 1994 strike, and points out that the Mitchell Report chastised Selig for not doing enough to curb performance enhancing drugs in the late 1990s and early 2000s. The claim is that Selig “had to reinvent himself,” with the suggestion that the Biogenesis investigation is part of the reinvention.

• “Selig quickly jumped at the opportunity to vindicate his legacy by showing that he was tough on (performance enhancing substances), and to harm Mr. Rodriguez,” the suit claims. “…MLB’s true purpose for the Biogenesis Suit was to circumvent the procedures in baseball’s Agreements, and seek “evidence” that would allow MLB to publicly shame and ultimately suspend Mr. Rodriguez and other ballplayers.”

• In some of the seemingly unusual parts of the lawsuit — unexpected in my amateur analysis, anyway — Rodriguez cites Selig’s appearance on the Late Show With David Letterman as a breach of confidentiality, accuses the league of failing to notify the IRS about the money it spent to buy stolen Biogenesis documents, and blames the league for Rodriguez’s part being cut from the yet-to-be-released animated film, Henry & Me.

• Near the end of his preliminary statement, Rodriguez seems to be fighting on behalf of all players:
“The time has come for this egregious misconduct to stop, so current and future players may know that MLB cannot and will not commit willful torts against them, and otherwise trample their rights with impunity.”

• Ultimately, the suit seeks: “An award of compensatory damages from Defendants in an amount to be determined at trial; An award of punitive damages from Defendants for their intentional and malicious misconduct in an amount to be determined at trial; An award of attorneys’ fees, interest and costs, in an amount to be determined at trial; and Such other and further relief as the Court deems just, proper and equitable.”

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172 Responses to “The basics of the Alex Rodriguez lawsuit”

  1. JM October 4th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    One subsection in the lawsuit’s Statement of Facts is labeled: The Disastrous Tenure of Commissioner Selig.

    Hmmm, I want to read that part. ;)

  2. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    “No it’s not a technicality, because what you feel to acknowledge is the fact A-Rod only tested positive once, and that was before it was against MLB rules!”
    =======================================================

    this is obviously not correct. failing a drug test is not necessary to be in violation of the JDA. possessing or recieving PED’s is also a violation.

    none of the biogenesis violators failed a drug test to my knowlege.

  3. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    sorry, colon and melky both failed drug tests prior to being found to be connected with biogenesis.

  4. BIG AL October 4th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Ys Guy -

    If I were facing a Federal prosecution, and MLB paid me $5M to say what they wanted me to say, and then promised to pay all my legal fees and help get me immunity, I’d say what ever Selig asked me to.

  5. vrsce October 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    This column would have benefitted from the insights of your two .lawyer friends.

  6. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    yeah i dont put that much faith into anything boesch says. i think the real stuff they have that will get arod is what the other people who worked there had to say. they were mostly forthcoming to the papers who interviewed them, in fact it seems that none of them had any loyalty to boesch which isn’t surprising since he ran the clinic out of buisness and them out of jobs.

    the other thing that i think is going to nail arod is the contents of his texts to boesch. you can kill boesch but if what arod texted to him isnt going to be impeachable by arod’s lawyers.

    there are also the payment records which mlb also says they have.

    we’ll see.

  7. BIG AL October 4th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    WTP said it best -

    “Since Gio from the NATS was proven to be innocent, even though he was connected to Biogenesis, then how many more players could have walked into that clinic and done nothing wrong?”
    ********************************************
    IMHO the winner here is Bosch, the losers MLB and the players association.

  8. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    in any case, since arod has clearly gone outside the cba, the yankees clearly should look at doing the same and ripping up arod’s contract. i dont think either attempt will hold up, but since he’s gone that route the yankees should try the same, imo.

    signing a fraudulently gained contract is certainly grounds for filing a suit and the CBA is the only thing that keeps the yankees paying a guy who clearly doesnt deserve what he’s owed.

    whats good for the gander is good for the goose.

  9. blake October 4th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    It’s a great tactic by Alex’s represenation……probably the only chance he’s got. Whether it works or not will depend on how Mr Horwitz views the case. I expect him to reduce the suspension by probably close to half.

  10. BIG AL October 4th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Ys Guy -

    Are you aware the “payment records” are hand written notes in a hand held notebook, in pencil, I can hardly stop laughing at that, that could have been added to, deleted, or written at any time during the process to make MLB’s case, as directed by Selig.

    Bosch was willing to say, and do, whatever was asked of him to save his slim ball a**.

  11. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    i have transactions written on paper for my buisness, too, but then there are recorded bank transactions that match them to prove they are correct.

  12. blake October 4th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    meanwhile. Gerritt Cole is pitching well in a playoff game :(

  13. JT October 4th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Looks like A-Rod isn’t going quietly.

    This could be very embarassing for the league.

  14. GregD October 4th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    ARod’s situation is a big soap opera……..

  15. BIG AL October 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    One last thought – How many players fell in line out of fear of much longer suspensions, because MLB was able to intimidate them, and they feared the truth would not save them, compared to what Selig was saying he could do to them.

    If A-Rod loses, then the entire players association loses, because this will set a prescient, and the players going forward will knuckle under whatever Selig says.

  16. blake October 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Andy McCullough ?@McCulloughSL 6m
    Oh my. RT @magelb: “If he was a fish, I would call him a flounder,” Pedro Martinez said of Alex Rodriguez.

  17. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    AROD is a big soap opera.

  18. BIG AL October 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Later folks – Y’all have a great day.

  19. blake October 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “Looks like A-Rod isn’t going quietly.”

    Doesn’t he always go down swinging in October

  20. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    since the players association is the only reason that a guy who cheated 90 times can only get suspended for one of them, i’d be happy to see the mlbpa take this loss. and so would alot of clean players.

  21. yankeefeminista October 4th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    Go MattyMoe55! Go Rays!

  22. JM October 4th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Lester strikes out the side. There seem to be some empty seats at Fenway.

  23. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Victorino just leans in and gets hit, and barely suffers any pain from the HBPs

  24. blake October 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    I guess I’ll cheer for the Rays…..wish there was a way they both could lose

  25. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    nice to see Cole and Russell Martin dominating the Cards in St. Louie

  26. Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    what are you talking about, there hasnt been an empty seat at fenway since ’03. just ask them…

  27. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    I can see Cashman in pain, contorting his face and screaming COLE!!! like Captain Kirk screamed KHAN!!!

  28. yankeefeminista October 4th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    I don’t have the heart to watch Gerrit pitch.

    Atta boy, Matty.

  29. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    What is Martin doing today?

  30. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    1-2, 2RBI

  31. yankeefeminista October 4th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Rays on the board!

  32. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    the Rays role players somehow just keep swimming upstream

  33. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    One thing about Matt Moore – for a young kid, he just doesn’t give a F***

  34. blake October 4th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    Stewie would have gotten that strike 3 call for Lester…..if he actually caught the ball.

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Big Al – are you aware that there is evidence that Arod paid $25,000 to Bosch’s attorney in February, prior to MLB bringing suit against Biogenesis and prior to MLB obtaining records and information? Are you aware of that, sir? (said in my best Barry Scheck voice).

    Or don’t Arod’s transgressions mean anything to you?

  36. JM October 4th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Ys Guy October 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    what are you talking about, there hasnt been an empty seat at fenway since ’03. just ask them…

    True. How could I forget? ;)

  37. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “If I were facing a Federal prosecution, and MLB paid me $5M to say what they wanted me to say, and then promised to pay all my legal fees and help get me immunity, I’d say what ever Selig asked me to.”

    Then you’d be a liar as well as a cheat.

    Where is your evidence that MLB paid $5 mil? Or are you influenced by supermarket rags?

  38. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    They work count after count

  39. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    “Stewie would have gotten that strike 3 call for Lester…..if he actually caught the ball.”

    LMAO

  40. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    “Looks like A-Rod isn’t going quietly.”

    Doesn’t he always go down swinging in October

    LMAO x 2. You are en fuego blake

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    “Since Gio from the NATS was proven to be innocent, even though he was connected to Biogenesis, then how many more players could have walked into that clinic and done nothing wrong?”

    Are you people playing at naivete or are you really that unaware? The players who walked into Biogenesis and did nothing wrong would have done what Gio did – protested their innocence, not taken suspensions.

    And nobody who’s innocent sends a check for $25,000 to the defense attorney of the guy caught selling the stuff. Notice, by the way, that not once has Arod said he didn’t procure steroids from Bosch. He has not once denied.

    Wake up people. Or in the alternative admit you support PED users who cheat the game. But stop with the misguided Arod support.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    “i have transactions written on paper for my buisness, too, but then there are recorded bank transactions that match them to prove they are correct.”

    Uh oh. Not to mention the cancelled check that Bosch’s defense attorney has from Arod.

  43. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Man, Cole looked good today. …ugh.

  44. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    with a RBI, too

  45. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Q: If Rodriguez is willing to go to court with his claims, doesn’t that show that he has been the victim of MLB misconduct?
    A: No, for two reasons. First, if Rodriquez really wanted to present his grievance in a public court action, he would have said that MLB’s misconduct must be stopped immediately with an injunction. If he asked for an injunction, he would be in court in a matter of days. He did not ask for an injunction. He does not want his assertions tested in court in a public hearing on an injunction. He is asking instead for compensatory and punitive damages. He wants money.

    http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story.....p&wjb

  46. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    conjunction junction, what’s your function?

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    “One last thought – How many players fell in line out of fear of much longer suspensions, because MLB was able to intimidate them, and they feared the truth would not save them, compared to what Selig was saying he could do to them.”

    I can’t even believe you wrote this, let alone think it. The player’s association would have been all over it like a cheap suit. They fronted for a guilty Ortiz, you think they wouldn’t back up their players if they were actually innocent?

  48. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    By asking for damages instead of an injunction, Rodriguez makes certain that he can file his lawsuit and not worry about any court examination of his assertions. The trial of a damages case does not begin in a matter of days. It does not begin in a matter of months. It arrives after two or three years. Rodriguez and his attorneys will not be presenting these allegations in open court anytime soon.
    Second, the filing of the lawsuit allows him to make his allegations under the protective shield of the court system. He has now put his complaints in a form that we in the media can use, and he need not worry about any repercussions. The filing of the case allows him to state in detail what he thinks MLB has done to him without any immediate testing of the accuracy of his story.

    http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story.....p&wjb

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “First, if Rodriquez really wanted to present his grievance in a public court action, he would have said that MLB’s misconduct must be stopped immediately with an injunction. If he asked for an injunction, he would be in court in a matter of days. He did not ask for an injunction. He does not want his assertions tested in court in a public hearing on an injunction. He is asking instead for compensatory and punitive damages. He wants money.”

    :D

    Basically what I said this morning when someone said Arod might end up with 0 games suspension. This is about money, and probably the money he’s going to lose sitting out games.

  50. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “Man, Cole looked good today. …ugh.”

    please don’t :(

  51. Warning Track Power October 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Near the end of his preliminary statement, Rodriguez seems to be fighting on behalf of all players:
    “The time has come for this egregious misconduct to stop, so current and future players may know that MLB cannot and will not commit willful torts against them, and otherwise trample their rights with impunity.”
    ———————————————————————————————————
    That’s all anybody needs to read. If ARod goes down without a fight, how much of a chance will future players have against MLB.

    Bug Selig turned his back to the PED situation with McGwire and Sosa.
    The Mitchell report exposed Bud for all his faults and the man still managed to walk away.
    Now is the perfect time for someone like ARod to stand up to Bud, push him back just as hard as he’s been pushing & let’s see who is the real cheat.

  52. Jerkface October 4th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    They fronted for a guilty Ortiz, you think they wouldn’t back up their players if they were actually innocent?

    A guilty ortiz who was in no way threatened with any kind of action by the commissioners office, purely threatened with like… bad public opinion?

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “Looks like A-Rod isn’t going quietly.”

    Doesn’t he always go down swinging in October
    ///

    2009 says hello ;)

  54. Warning Track Power October 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    “First, if Rodriquez really wanted to present his grievance in a public court action, he would have said that MLB’s misconduct must be stopped immediately with an injunction. If he asked for an injunction, he would be in court in a matter of days. He did not ask for an injunction. He does not want his assertions tested in court in a public hearing on an injunction. He is asking instead for compensatory and punitive damages. He wants money.”

    :D

    Basically what I said this morning when someone said Arod might end up with 0 games suspension. This is about money, and probably the money he’s going to lose sitting out games.
    ———————————-
    I agree money is a huge factor. If you or I were making the $$ ARod currently makes and the league you played for wanted to take a significant chunk, I’m sure you would fight that as well.
    If anything ARod should get 50 games for being a 1st time offender. Assuming he actually did something wrong or failed a test.
    Outside of that, ARod certainly does not deserve 211 games.

    I have lost count of how many sports talk radio hosts and listeners who have called in to programs this week and today and admitted they once HATED ARod but are not cheering for
    ARod from the sidelines.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    If we had Matt Moore, he’d have been put in the bullpen for losing his release point too often.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    blake – Tacopina can’t like what he heard during the arbitration.

    WTP – because Selig is a piece of garbage doesn’t mean that Arod isn’t a filthy cheat.

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    WTP – you don’t know what the evidence is. Therefore you don’t know what the punishment should be.

  58. Warning Track Power October 4th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
    WTP – because Selig is a piece of garbage doesn’t mean that Arod isn’t a filthy cheat.
    —————————————————————————————————————-
    Which is even more reason why the media needs to “attach” Bud just as much as
    Bud and MLB have been attacking ARod.

  59. Warning Track Power October 4th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
    WTP – you don’t know what the evidence is. Therefore you don’t know what the punishment should be.
    ———————————————————————————————
    Excuse me? I can only go by what has been reported and
    leaked.

  60. yankeefeminista October 4th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Zorilla! 2-0.

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    “I agree money is a huge factor. If you or I were making the $$ ARod currently makes and the league you played for wanted to take a significant chunk, I’m sure you would fight that as well.”

    Maybe you would. If I got caught cheating and there were compounding factors, I’d shut my mouth and take my punishment.

    But then I wouldn’t cheat – nor would I front for someone who did and make all kinds of weak-ass excuses for their cheating.

    Different strokes.

  62. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Zorilla!

  63. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Another HR for the Rays… just an observation but is anyone else amused that the word ‘devil’ got removed from ‘devil rays’ but we’re still left with the Indians and Braves as team names? Always thought that was incredibly funny.

    Moore’s pitch count is a little high but his last inning only cost him 11 pitches so he’s getting into a groove.. which should scare the Sox. Price goes for them next. I’d love for the Ray to take this series quickly.

  64. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    I don’t think Alex wants money from this lawsuit……I think it was an attempt to win points in the public opinion and that’s pretty much it.

  65. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Arod will probably end up with about a 100 game suspension and we’ll save a little more than half of his salary in 2014… I still don’t know how they are going to plan for this stuff. If they cut it too close and half Alex’s salary comes back on the books, it’d be funny if they end up over the LT anyway. That’d mean we need to get under in 2015, with Arod’s full salary back in play.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “Excuse me? I can only go by what has been reported and
    leaked.”

    It was reported that Arod paid $25,000 in an attempt to interfere with the investigation. That’s on top of buying steroids. And you don’t know what other players have reported as part of their hearings.

    Did you read MLB’s statement as to what the charges were?

    If all of that is proven, you’re looking at a lot more than 50 games.

  67. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “If we had Matt Moore, he’d have been put in the bullpen for losing his release point too often.”

    come on JAP….you can’t possibly believe that. The Yankees have never had a Matt Moore to find out and they let Betances start for like 7 years before finally moving him to the pen.

  68. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “amused that the word ‘devil’ got removed from ‘devil rays’ but we’re still left with the Indians and Braves as team names? Always thought that was incredibly funny”

    What is there to be amused by?

    Devil wasn’t removed from the team name due to any political complaint.

  69. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    “2009 says hello ;)”

    true…..it was too obvious a joke to pass up though even if not entirely accurate

  70. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Alex is like 5 HRs away from that $6 million bonus too, right? They’ll need to add that to their built in cushion because that’s gonna be pretty attainable in 62 games.

  71. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “A guilty ortiz who was in no way threatened with any kind of action by the commissioners office, purely threatened with like… bad public opinion?”

    he didn’t even get that because everyone in the media loves him

  72. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “Alex is like 5 HRs away from that $6 million bonus too, right? They’ll need to add that to their built in cushion because that’s gonna be pretty attainable in 62 games.”

    correct which is why we need Alex out most of 2014.

  73. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    If the Yankees had a Matt Moore…..someone who crushed the minor leagues and was discussed with Bryce Harper and Mike Trout 2 years ago as being a top 3 prospect in baseball……some had him #1……then he’d get infinite rope just like Hughes did and I don’t see any way they’d ever had made him a reliever.

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    mick – I’m hardly a Selig supporter. But I also don’t let my opinion of him get in the way of Arod’s continued infractions.

    *************

    blake – nah, I think Arod’s money hungry. But I think this is also a diversionary tactic. By going after MLB, it diverts attention from his infractions.

    Total Tacopina.

  75. Jerkface October 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    he didn’t even get that because everyone in the media loves him

    He was threatened by the possibility of it. Everyone in the biogenesis case was threatened with Bud Selig overstepping his boundaries to punish them, and were bullied into accepting whatever MLB handed out.

    Only A-rod, a true hero, was willing to stand up to him.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    But more importantly – GO RAYS!!!!!

    :)

    I’m patiently waiting for Ortiz karma to continue to kick in…

  77. Jerkface October 4th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    If the Yankees had a Matt Moore…..someone who crushed the minor leagues and was discussed with Bryce Harper and Mike Trout 2 years ago as being a top 3 prospect in baseball……some had him #1……then he’d get infinite rope just like Hughes did and I don’t see any way they’d ever had made him a reliever.

    Depends on the whims of the org. Joba crushed the minors and was a top 3 prospect at one point. So would they have treated him like Hughes, or like Joba?

  78. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “Alex is like 5 HRs away from that $6 million bonus too, right? They’ll need to add that to their built in cushion because that’s gonna be pretty attainable in 62 games.”

    correct which is why we need Alex out most of 2014.

    —————-

    There’s just no way around the fact that him being out would be the best case scenario for the Yankees. It’s just going to be interesting how they work with his money on a one year deal because none of the other big contracts outside of Jeter maybe comes off the books the following year anyway. And I still think people assuming he’ll retire aren’t paying attention… Alex wants his money.

  79. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    My memory might be ..fuzzy.. but I remember there being a very conservative religious faction in Florida that made a fair bit of noise about the name. I don’t think it was cited as the reason for the change or anything, but I definitely remember stories written about the complaints.

  80. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Why did they not catch that ball?

  81. RayVT October 4th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Actually, ARod didn’t pay $25K t Bosch, but
    According to an ESPN report Sunday night, Rodriguez paid a $25,000 retainer to Bosch’s attorney and later made a wire transfer for nearly $50,000 that Bosch’s attorney refused to accept.

    So there is no “Check” to Bosch.

  82. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    Myers with a rare mistake in the OF…. I wish we had one of those.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Rookie mistake. Let’s hope that Moore picks him up.

  84. Jerkface October 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    What is there to be amused by?

    Devil wasn’t removed from the team name due to any political complaint.

    It was removed by the owners due to an issue with the name and a changing of the identity. Which makes it amusing that the Rays were so self conscious of their dumb name that wasnt even that offensive while the Braves and Indians are proudly displaying their racist team names.

  85. I Am Winning October 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    What is the point? Sue MLB to make a point? He is already rich beyond any of our wildest dreams. Who cares if he played his last baseball game. His entire family and descendents are set for generations to come. Just shows that money can’t buy happiness, humbleness, or a proper attitude.

  86. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    That’s what teams do against the Red Sox.

    Commit inexplicable mistakes.

  87. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    “Depends on the whims of the org. Joba crushed the minors and was a top 3 prospect at one point. So would they have treated him like Hughes, or like Joba?”

    well Joba didn’t have nearly the minor league track record that Moore did…..that’s the Yankees fault…..but they really haven’t handled anyone else the way they handled Joba. I would agree with you that they pulled the plug on him too soon as a starter but it’s not like they have done that with everyone and I certainly don’t think they would have with Matt Moore……what would they have made a lefty that throws 98 with a plus CU a LOOGY or something??

  88. hardwired7 October 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Get the Navy somehow involved in this, and you’ve got yourself the makings of a Tom Clancy novel (may he rest in peace).

  89. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Only A-rod, a true hero, was willing to stand up to him.

    —————

    :lol:

    He’s just a freedom fighter!!!

  90. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    hate him or love him, if we can assume he is now clean, then Ortiz really continues to be an amazing hitter, not slowing down yet

  91. austinmac October 4th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    I don’t think Alex will sue the Yankees because if he does you can bet they will counterclaim attempting to void the contract for fraud. You can also be certain he would never play for them again. As it is, they are the only place he can conceivably play.

    On another note, I don’t think the Dodgers will go after Cano. They have Kerahaw and Hanley to deal with. The Rangers, Tigers and Nats seem to me the real competition.

  92. I Am Winning October 4th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    ARod shouldn’t be blaming MLB as if they are the bad guys. If we had the NFLs union, he wouldve been dropped a long time ago and be much less rich. Instead of hating on MLB he should thank the organization for making him so rich. But hey that’s just my poor ass opinion.

  93. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    “Only A-rod, a true hero, was willing to stand up to him.”

    I think it was more an “only hope and what do I have to lose move” than anything heroic……I do think he was treated unfairly…..and think MLB is being about as hypocritical as possible about all of this…..but still at the end of the day Alex brought this on himself. He used…..he lied about it…..he used again…..he lied about it again. None of this happens if Alex doesn’t use or hang out with shady people like Tony Boesch and you know what……we’d be celebrating him as a hero on the field right now instead of talking about court cases.

  94. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    So would they have treated him like Hughes, or like Joba?

    ——————

    Hughes really did get a ton of rope… I don’t blame the org for the years each delivered in 2013, because I feel like at some point you know your role and need to do the job, but boy those two were treated like night and day. Hopefully it will be a learning experience for all involved. Hughes basically took all that rope and hung himself with it.

  95. austinmac October 4th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Shame,

    A long time ago in a Florida high school I played for a team known as the Red Devils. No one cared. I think it was a marketing reset.

  96. RayVT October 4th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “In exchange for Bosch’s full cooperation . . . Major League Baseball will drop the lawsuit it filed against Bosch in March, indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation, provide personal security for him and even put in a good word with any law enforcement agency that might bring charges against him.”

    Said one player agent, “The amount of money paid to Bosch will become a critical issue. Federal courts have held that whether or not the testimony is truthful, the amount of money paid is a factor that must be considered in determining the credibility of the witness. Did the total amount paid to the witness have any influence on the testimony?”

    Oh, I can hear others on the players’ side now:

    “Bosch agreed to cooperate with baseball only to save his own rear. He’s broke. He’s talking in order to get baseball to drop its lawsuit against him. He needs the various forms of protection that baseball offered him, according to ESPN.

    “What does baseball have? Nothing.”

    Baseball needs proof. And while the sport is fighting the good fight, pursuing this matter to the fullest, I seriously doubt that Tony Bosch’s word will be good enough.

  97. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “So there is no “Check” to Bosch.”

    There’s a wire transfer, of which there is a record. And you are correct. It went to Bosch’s attorney not to Bosch. So if someone said it went to Bosch and not the attorney, they were incorrect.

    Still damaging information.

    :)

  98. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    You know what I love…? Grass. I wish I could just roll around in the Red Sox OF right now. I’m always impressed by the stuff the grounds crews can do with grass. Yay grass!

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    just an observation but is anyone else amused that the word ‘devil’ got removed from ‘devil rays’ but we’re still left with the Indians and Braves as team names? Always thought that was incredibly funny.
    //

    Goes to show who wields the power in our “fair” country, eh? ;)

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Damn rookie mistake.

    :(

  101. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    austinmac October 4th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Shame,

    A long time ago in a Florida high school I played for a team known as the Red Devils. No one cared. I think it was a marketing reset.

    ——————

    I know it wasn’t the reason they changed it but am I really the only person that remembers all of those stories about this push to remove the word ‘devil’ from the name because it was dark-sided…???

  102. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    “On another note, I don’t think the Dodgers will go after Cano. They have Kerahaw and Hanley to deal with. The Rangers, Tigers and Nats seem to me the real competition.”

    Cano is a better sign than Hanley long term I think…..he could go back to sucking again at any time and he’s signed through next year anyway.

    The Dodgers aren’t gonna be under 189 regardless so why not……they have a need at 2B and Cano immediately makes then a lot better.

    I will believe they aren’t in on it when he signs elsewhere and then they still say that …..until then I think they are playing possum.

  103. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Like a real team, they still scored the 2 runs after the 1st out was recorded without a run scoring.

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    The post you responded to was so ludicrous, I didn’t even bother. In fact I wasn’t quite sure if it was merely bait put out to get a reaction, but I didn’t see it meriting a response at all.

  105. hardwired7 October 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “Yay grass!”

    My anthem in the college days.

  106. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “It was removed by the owners due to an issue with the name”

    Do you have any link to support that?

  107. Pat M. October 4th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Face, do you have a way of reaching LGY ??? I need to settle up with him. On my way back from NYC I was making my connection to Orange County in Atlanta. On the flight back I get to share a row with Jim ” Cy or Cry Young ” Palmer……The one story of the many that I’ll share is about an encounter he had facing The Mick. He served up a very long bomb to Mantle at The Stadium that day as the Yanks beat his O’s. Years later when he saw Roy Hobbs hit his fictional walkoff that had the exploding lights and fireworks it reminds him of that mammoth dinger that # 7 hit off of him. Talks with great reverence about Sandy Koufax as well. Very much a talker and a man who is very pleased with himself. Didn’t know that he lives in Newport Beach……

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    “You know what I love…? Grass. I wish I could just roll around in the Red Sox OF right now. I’m always impressed by the stuff the grounds crews can do with grass. Yay grass!”

    The best grass is the kind on a dry cool day, when you can be pretty sure there are no fleas or mosquitoes lurking!

  109. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Alex is a true hero? He only helped us win 1 World Series.

    Chad Curtis is a true hero. He helped us win multiple World Series.

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “If we had Matt Moore, he’d have been put in the bullpen for losing his release point too often.”

    come on JAP….you can’t possibly believe that. The Yankees have never had a Matt Moore to find out and they let Betances start for like 7 years before finally moving him to the pen.

    ///

    Betances is beyond ridiculous shutdown when he’s right.

    He has not really had control problems now for months.

    What they should really do is, have a plan that they’ve put him in the bullpen merely to make repeating his delivery more ingrained muscle memory, with a long-range goal of restoring him the to rotation.

    I would applaud them, were this the plan. Wasting him on one inning, or two, is certifiable.

  111. RayVT October 4th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    LOL! I know Trisha! I was pulling your leg a bit !

  112. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    Wow, stunning commentary from a player agent…

    :roll:

  113. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    The Red Sox are amazing. What an amazing team. You have to give them props. They play every aspect of the game.

  114. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Atlanta. On the flight back I get to share a row with Jim ” Cy or Cry Young ” Palmer……T”

    Man that’s cool

  115. hardwired7 October 4th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    “The Red Sox are amazing. What an amazing team.”

    Have you ever used the handle ‘Ruby Tuesday’ by any chance?

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Oh man. What might have happened if that mistake in the outfield hadn’t occurred. Has Moore lost his composure because of it?

    COME ON RAYS!!!

  117. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Another misplay.

    Joe Maddon, Sir Genius, where is your excellent coaching now?

    Why are you allowing your team to commit mental mistakes?

    Did you not have your team prepared?

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “Have you ever used the handle ‘Ruby Tuesday’ by any chance?”

    :D

  119. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    “Betances is beyond ridiculous shutdown when he’s right.

    He has not really had control problems now for months.”

    Because he’s in the bullpen where he doesn’t have to hold together his delivery as long…..it’s no coincidence he started pitching better almost immediately when they put him in the pen

  120. Hassey October 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Man, remember when we had innings like this in important playoff games?

  121. RayVT October 4th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    in the Biogenesis clinic scandal, Major League Baseball still hasn’t pried loose documents he took from the clinic. But within the past week, Porter Fischer, the clinic’s former marketing director, appeared before a federal grand jury in Miami and turned over the records, sources told “Outside the Lines.” …

    The grand jury appearance by Fischer and his turning over of documents are clear signs that the scandal has gone beyond Major League Baseball’s intensive in-house probe and evolved into a federal law enforcement investigation that could lead to criminal charges against individuals tied to the clinic and its distribution network, including Tony Bosch, the shuttered clinic’s founder who is cooperating in baseball’s investigation.

    To sum up: Baseball doesn’t have the documents, but the government does. You know what’s really, really hard? Trying to get documents from the government that are part of a criminal investigation so that you can use them for your personal business purposes. Which is what baseball would have to do if it were to use Fischer’s documents in an arbitration against A-Rod.

    So, why not just go to Tony Bosch, you ask? Well, according to this report he could very well face criminal indictment here. Know what else is really hard? Getting someone who is under a criminal indictment to go on the record in a civil arbitration admitting to all of the drug stuff he did. Which is something else baseball would have to do if it were to go hard after A-Rod in the arbitration.

    — MLB doesn’t have the real documents, the FEDS do. So how do they buy them from the FEDS?—

  122. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Too many links from 2007 don’t work. Someone needs to work on this internet thing. :|

  123. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    This Sox team sadly reminds me a lot of a team I used to know

  124. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Honestly, I dislike the Red Sox more than anybody, but I find it difficult to cheer against this team.

    They do the things necessary to win. They get the good luck in their favor. They hustle. They have excellent management. Power to the Red Sox.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    If the Rays can win this or get away with a split, they could possibly take the games at the Trop and win the series.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Because he’s in the bullpen where he doesn’t have to hold together his delivery as long…..it’s no coincidence he started pitching better almost immediately when they put him in the pen
    ///

    Confirmation bias.

    He was doing it for multiple innings before they put him in the pen. That’s why, a kid who never rocks the boat said: “I thought I was starting to figure it out in my starts”, because he was.

    Last 3 starts he was turning it around.

  127. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    “Honestly, I dislike the Red Sox more than anybody, but I find it difficult to cheer against this team.

    They do the things necessary to win. They get the good luck in their favor. They hustle. They have excellent management. Power to the Red Sox”

    You do know they are our most hated rival?!?!?

    :evil:

  128. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Here’s a link to the Rays name change.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3101213

    Nothing to do with an issue with the name or any political reasoning.

    Simply an identity change.

  129. Pat M. October 4th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    blake. old # 22 wasn’t very complimentary regarding Rick Adair and even Buck S. He did have great stories of course and when I told him that The Catfish should have won the Cy Young Award in 75, he just smiled .

  130. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    “They do the things necessary to win. They get the good luck in their favor. They hustle. They have excellent management. Power to the Red Sox”

    And they’ve probably been juicing all season and probably had a large bottle of Jack Daniels in the clubhouse prior to the start of the game.

    :mad:

  131. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    I think our most hated rival should be the Canadians and the Celtics. They are the threat to our status as the best team in North America.

    I shouldn’t give a rat’s ass about the Red Sox. 86 years without a title, aided by performance enhancing drugs.

  132. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    He was doing it for multiple innings before they put him in the pen. That’s why, a kid who never rocks the boat said: “I thought I was starting to figure it out in my starts”, because he was.”

    No he wasn’t…he was a disaster as a starter

  133. blake October 4th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    blake. old # 22 wasn’t very complimentary regarding Rick Adair and even Buck S. He did have great stories of course and when I told him that The Catfish should have won the Cy Young Award in 75, he just smiled .”

    What’s he say about buck ?

  134. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    The Yankees are unrivaled in baseball, no matter what story the media portrays.

  135. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I dunno, JAP, it could definitely be considered a SSS that he figured it out in his final 3 starts in the span of a 6 year career.

  136. Warning Track Power October 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    “I agree money is a huge factor. If you or I were making the $$ ARod currently makes and the league you played for wanted to take a significant chunk, I’m sure you would fight that as well.”

    Maybe you would. If I got caught cheating and there were compounding factors, I’d shut my mouth and take my punishment.

    But then I wouldn’t cheat – nor would I front for someone who did and make all kinds of weak-ass excuses for their cheating.

    Different strokes.
    ———————————————————–
    Trisha
    It’s common knowledge around here that you would not cheat if you were a MLB Player
    At the same time I think you are in the minority because a lot of players will & have cheated because it was convenient and cheating meant providing for his family.

    Furthermore, you can type as many message as you want and lead us to believe you are all knowing about this case, but you know about as much as anybody else does around here.
    I haven’t seen proof you are an insider or within the inner sanctum to know more than the average Joe.

    Different strokes and there is nothing wrong with that.

  137. Pat M. October 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    blake.. very stubborn somewhat standoffish and he’ll flame out in a year or two in Baltimore. Pitching at the instructional level is a mess but they have real good arms up and down the system. Great respect for Thurman

  138. Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Apparently a guy lit himself on fire at the National Mall in D.C. Lots of action in Washington this week. All this on top of the premier of Scandal….

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    And in the realm of “That’s baseball Suzyn” Pirates clobbering the Cards. You just never know.

    Lester has been known to give it up quickly so it’s possible for them to come back. But if they don’t, they need to win their next game. And if they don’t pull this out, I will count on someone else to do it.

    But I’d like them to be offed sooner rather than later.

  140. JM October 4th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand

    Mets announce Matt Harvey is having surgery.

    Now there’s a shocker. Get it done, come back strong in 18 months or so.

  141. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    They are too good to be offed.

  142. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    WTP – you’re right, I don’t know anymore about this case than anybody else, and I guess that’s why I’m floored by the position you and a few others have taken. I’ve been around the law long enough to be able to make a pretty good assessment of what’s out there, and I’m familiar enough with legal tactics to know what Tacopina is up to.

    “a lot of players will & have cheated because it was convenient and cheating meant providing for his family.”

    Providing for his family? By cheating? The base salaries aren’t really bad. And if you don’t have the goods to produce, you shouldn’t be out there because you’re taking a position away from someone else.

    WTP – I don’t care how you want to slice it or rationalize it – cheating is wrong. And it doesn’t matter how many have done it, why they did it, or how many will continue to do it.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    “Apparently a guy lit himself on fire at the National Mall in D.C. ”

    Shame, we’re in a world gone mad.

  144. Warning Track Power October 4th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    And in the realm of “That’s baseball Suzyn” Pirates clobbering the Cards. You just never know.

    Lester has been known to give it up quickly so it’s possible for them to come back. But if they don’t, they need to win their next game. And if they don’t pull this out, I will count on someone else to do it.

    But I’d like them to be offed sooner rather than later.
    ——————————————————————————————-
    I can’t cheer for the Rays or Sux.
    If anything I hope the series stretches out over 10 days because of rainy
    weather

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    And WTP, if you say you know what MLB has charged him with, then you know that it’s more than buying steroids. And that warrants more than 50 games, if proven true.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    I think he got him. It was close.

  147. Warning Track Power October 4th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    WTP – you’re right, I don’t know anymore about this case than anybody else, and I guess that’s why I’m floored by the position you and a few others have taken. I’ve been around the law long enough to be able to make a pretty good assessment of what’s out there, and I’m familiar enough with legal tactics to know what Tacopina is up to.

    “a lot of players will & have cheated because it was convenient and cheating meant providing for his family.”

    Providing for his family? By cheating? The base salaries aren’t really bad. And if you don’t have the goods to produce, you shouldn’t be out there because you’re taking a position away from someone else.

    WTP – I don’t care how you want to slice it or rationalize it – cheating is wrong. And it doesn’t matter how many have done it, why they did it, or how many will continue to do it.
    ————————————————————————————–
    Fundamentally I do agree with you. Cheating is bad.
    But what I have a problem with is Bud Selig turned a blind eye in the 90′s and now suddenly his #1 goal is to clean up the game.
    It’s a joke. A scam. Something only a crook would do.
    So if ARod is going to go down, it’s only right for him or someone to take down Bud at the same time.
    The public laughed at Canseco when he announced he was going to write a book about Steroids. Years later his claims have turned out to be very true and valid. Nobody is laughing at his claims today.

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Shame Spencer October 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I dunno, JAP, it could definitely be considered a SSS that he figured it out in his final 3 starts in the span of a 6 year career.
    ///

    Except that I actually watched those starts and I saw a big difference. Further, 2012 was an outlier, so that’s actually the SSS, with all those line drives and fly balls.

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Also, he was stellar in 2010 and in 2011, he had certainly negotiable control.

    Besides all this, I’m not sure you get how good his arm is. Was chatting with a poster on another site who has also seen this kid live a fair amount. He has a good grasp of what’s been sacrificed here.

    I read that the DMs in the organization were split down the middle about the conversion, and even Cashman said if it were not for midnight hour being so close, they would have stayed with him as a starter.

    I like to think they will re-sign him and see that maybe they did him a good turn by putting him back there, so he could really focus on fastball command.

    The tell-tale will be if they keep his changeup in play by giving him 2-3 inning outings every few days.

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    WTP – I was one of the few who totally believed Canseco from jump street, and the reason I did, and I stated it at the time, was because nobody he named was filing a defamation suit against him. That kind of silence is deafening.

    I continue to say that the only reason Selig got serious about PEDs was because Congress was on his back and he made some very public promises. I don’t think he wanted to go after Biogenesis any more than the man in the moon, but once it hit the press, he was out of choices.

    Do I mind if Arod takes Bud down with him? Not a whit. Unfortunately, I don’t think this lawsuit will hold up, and by the time it’s heard in court, Bud will be long retired and Arod will probably hobble into court. It was a total diversionary tactic. If Arod really wanted to take Bud down and there was legitimacy to his claims, he should have gone to court for a prelimary injunction. But he didn’t do it. That’s because he knows he’s guilty as charged.

    I still think that what came out in the arbitration was probably damning enough to Arod that Tacopina needed to file this suit. This complaint was probably drafted a month ago and Tacopina was just sitting in wait with it. If he felt the arbitration was going his way, he probably never would have filed it because its relevance will be nil by the time it’s heard.

  151. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Selig needs to burn in hell if for nothing else than his preferential treatment of that bearded team of grossness.

  152. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    “Besides all this, I’m not sure you get how good his arm is. Was chatting with a poster on another site who has also seen this kid live a fair amount. He has a good grasp of what’s been sacrificed here.”

    Great arm….very unathletic and was never gonna be able to repeat his delivery well enough to start…..I was saying that 3 years ago

  153. YanksPats October 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Cheating is not always wrong.

    Sometimes, the end justifies the means.

  154. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    This is sad.

    Rays were 7-12 against the Sux. 3-6 at the Trop.

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Great arm….very unathletic and was never gonna be able to repeat his delivery well enough to start…..I was saying that 3 years ago
    ///

    You and like everyone else said it, except for the few folks who have gone to his starts over a few years running, convincing us that a somewhat inefficient but nevertheless pretty much un-hittable starter beats the crap out of a seventh-inning bridge to the eighth inning guy, and so forth.

  156. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    “Cheating is not always wrong.

    Sometimes, the end justifies the means.”

    :roll:

  157. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    “You and like everyone else said it, except for the few folks who have gone to his starts over a few years running, convincing us that a somewhat inefficient but nevertheless pretty much un-hittable starter beats the crap out of a seventh-inning bridge to the eighth inning guy, and so forth.”

    I’ve watched him plenty on TV…..have seen nothing to change my mind

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    If Matt Moore were a young Yankee starter who had gotten lit up in Fenway in a playoff game, most of Lohud would be crying for his demotion, release, or for putting him in the bullpen.

    /Joba’d :D

  159. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    You’re entitled to your opinion JAP….I just think Betances is right where he needs to be ….and think he has a chance to be a good reliever in the majors…..nothing wrong with that

  160. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 4th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I’m thinking you can put this one in the books. Happy I have other things I have to do right now.

    Maybe I’ll come home later and be pleasantly surprised. Or maybe I won’t.

    :)

    Later y’all.

  161. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    “If Matt Moore were a young Yankee starter who had gotten lit up in Fenway in a playoff game, most of Lohud would be crying for his demotion, release, or for putting him in the bullpen.”

    Well the smart posters would realize he just went 17-4 with a 3.29 era at age 24

  162. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Sox lineup is relentless

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    I’ve watched him plenty on TV…..have seen nothing to change my mind
    ///

    Well you responded to what I wrote, not the other way around. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

    I’d give him every opportunity to start next year.

    It’s preposterous that Adam Warren is in the rotation potentially, while Betances is in the bullpen.

    There is something really wrong with that.

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Well the smart posters would realize he just went 17-4 with a 3.29 era at age 24
    ///

    I take nothing for granted :)

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    You’re entitled to your opinion JAP….I just think Betances is right where he needs to be ….and think he has a chance to be a good reliever in the majors…..nothing wrong with that
    ///

    Ha, just wrote same to you.

    A chance to be a good reliever…. ya think?

    Everything wrong with it. :)

  166. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    JAP,
    The problem was that they has to get value out of Betances soon or lose him…..they are out of options. A guy can’t just be a project forever even if there is a chance that it could eventually work out…..at some point you have to try to get value out of them

  167. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Speaking of good-looking arms, DePaula has looked great in instructs, reportedly.

    Abe Avelino smoking doubles, stealing home plate, and making heady plays at SS :)

    Too bad he’s about a million years away, in single-A :)

  168. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    A good reliever is better than a bad starter …..if Betances has a good 2013 as a reliever then he has a career again and maybe he can make some money for his family……he could flame out totally as a starter and be out of baseball all together if they kept on trying to force that……the yanks didn’t have much choice…..they gave him as long as possible to try and figure it out

  169. blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: ESPNNY has learned: A-Rod just filed 2nd suit. This one is for medical malpractice against Yanks team doctor & NY Presbyterian/Columbia Med

  170. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    JAP,
    The problem was that they has to get value out of Betances soon or lose him…..they are out of options. A guy can’t just be a project forever even if there is a chance that it could eventually work out…..at some point you have to try to get value out of them
    ///

    It would be a master stroke if they were trying to get his mechanics in line through the bullpen only to bring him back slowly to start again.

    And they failed to “get value” out of him down the stretch, when his arm could have actually made a difference. I don’t think I would have traded Mo’s exit for one that happened in the ALDS or even the ALCS, but that is beside my point.

    So much for mining value out of him at the 11th hour.

  171. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: ESPNNY has learned: A-Rod just filed 2nd suit. This one is for medical malpractice against Yanks team doctor & NY Presbyterian/Columbia Med
    ///

    Crap. Officially a mess.

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock October 4th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    blake October 4th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    A good reliever is better than a bad starter …..if Betances has a good 2013 as a reliever then he has a career again and maybe he can make some money for his family……he could flame out totally as a starter and be out of baseball all together if they kept on trying to force that……the yanks didn’t have much choice…..they gave him as long as possible to try and figure it out
    ///

    blake,

    I think your alternative is extremely bleak. A bad starter? He would likely be a guy who throws a lot of pitches and walks some batters, hits a batter now and again, but who is mostly keeping his infield busy and turning his back on the hitter he just rang up the rest of the time.

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