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Heading into crucial spring, Betances unlikely to play winter ball

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 07, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Dellin BetancesLate in the year, Dellin Betances asked the Yankees for permission to go to the Dominican Republic this offseason to play winter ball.

For the time being, it sounds unlikely that he’ll actually go.

“It’s doubtful right now,” senior vice president of baseball operations Mark Newman said.

Why did Betances want to play winter ball in the first place? For the repetition. Having long struggled with inconsistency as a minor league starter, Betances made significant strides after moving to the bullpen this season, and he believes the regular work of a reliever is a big reason for the improvement.

“More time on the mound,” Betances said. “Instead of pitching every five days, I’m pitching every other day. I think more time on the mound helped me be more consistent with all my pitches. I think more repetition. I think that’s what helped. I feel like last year I was just mentally drained. No matter what, I felt like I was defeated before the game started. That’s how I felt last year, but this year, a bad game or a good game, I just try to have a fresh memory. Being out of the bullpen helps that too.”

In 24 innings as a Triple-A starter, Betances had a 6.00 ERA with 19 hits, 19 earned runs, 16 walks and 25 strikeouts this season.

In 60 innings as a Triple-A reliever, his ERA was down to 1.35 with 33 hits, 26 walks and a 83 strikeouts. That’s significant improvement across the board. And the Yankees have certainly noticed.

“Starters are so valuable, so we hung with it and hung with it, but finally we had to move him to the pen,” Newman said. “Nobody’s ever argued with the stuff, and he throws it over the plate more often out of the pen. … It happens. (Pitchers) go into relief and think they don’t have to pick as much and use more of the plate.”

The Yankees are encouraged by what they saw from Betances in the second half of this season, and they seem happy to leave it at that. He’ll come into spring training trying to win a spot in the big league bullpen, and because he’ll be out of options next year, it’s essentially a make-or-break opportunity.

In preparation, Betances said he’d like to at least keep playing catch throughout the winter. He won’t bullpens or anything extreme, but Betances said he wants to playing catch “to keep my arm going” and “have that same routine” heading into such a crucial spring training.

“I like what I did last offseason,” Betances said. “And I felt good coming into spring. I didn’t get much of a chance, obviously, just because of the year I had (in 2012), but this year is a big year for me. This is pretty much it. Either I make the team, or I’m with someone else, so I’m definitely looking forward to spring training. … I feel great. I got the chance to come back up here (to the big leagues), and I’m learning a lot. I haven’t had enough experience, but I think next year will be the year.”

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164 Responses to “Heading into crucial spring, Betances unlikely to play winter ball”

  1. kd October 7th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    would be great to see him replace joba, and out perform him

  2. Pat M. October 7th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    Yanks are going to offer Betances in a package this winter just as they did in July. Blafour is a scary guy to dig in against. Wonder if Tin Cup ever had to control or deal with a guy like that. Faced crazy man Al Harbosky one spring game when he was with the Cards and he was nuts and this was before his whole stompting and pounding the ball in his mitt when he hit KC

  3. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    blake – Whenever a guy goes on short rest it’s kinda considered a panic move but I just think Kershaw will be good. I might be wrong but I just have this feeling he’s going to do more than enough to win. You’re definitely right, however – if he isn’t, Donnie will take a ton of heat.

    A’s win. Up 2-1 in the series. I might be in the minority but I think Oakland can beat the Red Sox.

  4. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Balfour looks insane all the time!!

    The commentators made a remark about how he’s not very Mo-like lol. Mo was the most zen guy out there. (Getting used to using the past tense. Annoying.)

  5. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    “To me, Girardi’s choice of Molina over Posada during the 2009 World Series is a better example of Girardi’s catcher bias.”

    Wave, it was well publicized that Posada and Burnett were having problems working with each other and that it was affecting AJ’s pitching. The reason that Girardi chose Molina was so that he and AJ could work together. At the beginning of the next season AJ acknowledged that he and Posada had had problems but that they had dealt with them in the off season and put them behind them.

    That’s the reason he chose Molina in the postseason. And IMO to do otherwise would have been sure suicide, no matter how AJ ended up pitching with Molina as his catcher.

  6. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Wacha walks Martin.

  7. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Wacha K’s Jones.

  8. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    The Pirates can’t touch this guy.

  9. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    MTU – It does look like they’ve run into a buzz-saw.

  10. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Wacha looks more like a basketball player than a baseball guy.

    Repeats his delivery really well for such a big man.

  11. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    “That’s the reason he chose Molina in the postseason. ”

    IMO that was all overblown. I guess AJ had the same problem with Russell Martin a couple of days ago.

    Anyway, the Yanks won the series.

  12. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    They will run into another one in Wainwright.

    I said they needed to win it all today.

    That if it went back to Busch it’s likely over for the Pirates.

  13. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    I am very encouraged based on how well Betances pitched this year in the minors.
    He deserves a very long look in ST 2014. I hope he succeeds, makes the team and plays
    a very important role in 2014 and beyond.
    The K’s to IP numbers he put up last year are similar to how well Robertson does out of the pen.

  14. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Wacha has a no-no thru 6.

  15. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    The Pirates are lucky Craig isn’t in the Cards lineup.

    He is one of the best clutch hitters in baseball.

  16. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Wave, but it doesn’t matter that you thought it was overblown. Apparently Girardi didn’t think so, and AJ verified that there were problems. Hell, it’s all the broadcasters were talking about before the postseason began.

    And your quip about him having the same problem with Martin a few days ago is just that. The reality of the problem between him and Posada was publicized and admitted to.

    ***********

    Players use HGH to help them heal from injuries. HGH has been called the fountain of youth due to the effect it has on the aging process, including giving the skin a more youthful appearance.

    So do me a favor. When you look at Ortiz at bat, tell me if it looks like he’s lost a decade on his face. If you don’t think so, then you don’t. But his skin has that “dewy” appearance to me, and he looks a heck of a lot younger than he used to look. Again, IMO.

    Also, his body hasn’t broken down in quite a while, so there’s that.

    http://www.elitefitness.com/fo.....16660.html

    If you don’t think he’s using, you don’t, which is fine.

    But unless it was the soft lighting of the camera when he came to bat, seriously he looked totally different to me.

    Just a thought.

  17. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    What the heck has happened to the Tigers ?

    On paper they should be able to beat the A’s easily.

  18. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    “Wave, but it doesn’t matter that you thought it was overblown. Apparently Girardi didn’t think so, and AJ verified that there were problems. ”

    I think that was just all talk. And the whole discussion was over whether Girardi made the correct decision. Some of us didn’t think so then, and still don’t.

  19. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    MTU – I thought the A’s were being underrated in that series.. the Tigers could win two games in a row, that’s for sure, but I think the A’s have been so scrappy this year in terms of production the playoff atmosphere is more comfortable for them. If the Tigers aren’t getting the big hit, they’re at a loss. Fister is no scrub, though.. if the A’s don’t wrap it up in the next game they could be in trouble.

  20. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    MTU October 7th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    What the heck has happened to the Tigers ?

    On paper they should be able to beat the A’s easily.
    ———————————————————————————————-
    Tiger might have overlooked the A’s since they defeated Oakland last year in 5 games.

    Listen, Tigers win tomorrow and you know just about anything can happen in game 5.
    Tiger need to reach game 5 so their ace can pitch again and lead the team to victory.

  21. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Wacha still dealing.. my goodness.

  22. NYY fan in NH October 7th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Cabrera’s groin issue is the reason and a shaky bullpen. Without Cabrera, they are an average team. The team rides on his bat and consistency

  23. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Shame-

    I think it might be tough to beat Oakland at home.

    I think the Tigers might be in trouble now.

    But we’ll see.

  24. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Didn’t AJ also pitch a terrible game in that WS to Molina in game 5…?? I like/liked AJ a lot but the dude was a headcase. If the wind was blowing slightly left, he’d be off.

  25. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Shame-

    He is more than just dealing. He is totally dominating the Buccos.

    They look like Minor leaguers against him.

    Tremendous performance no matter what happens.

  26. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    MTU – I think it’d be terribly tough (I picked Oakland in that series), but with Verlander going you have to like your chances if you’re Detroit. It’s just getting there…..game 4 is going to be one helluva match up.

  27. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    MTU – His stuff is just fooling them left and right. Insanity.

  28. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Shame-

    I still am surprised the A’s are giving the Tigers such a hard time.

    These 5 game series are deadly sometimes.

  29. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    @LoHudYankees It’s 5 pm, and I hear the Yankees still don’t have an answer from Joe Girardi. Offer is still on the table. #yankees

  30. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Shame-

    94-95 on the black with his downward plane is just too tough.

    About 80% FB’s. Shows you how good it is.

    ;)

  31. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Why don’t we find Sonny Gray’s and Michael Wacha’s ?

  32. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Pssh, yeah, that fastball rate is amazing. There is so much movement on some of his pitches. Really impressive.

  33. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    A no-no in the PS ?

    That is rarified air.

  34. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Oh well.

    :(

  35. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    Wow… that was a long HR.

  36. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    MTU – Did we jinx him?!

    I pull him after Martin’s AB no matter what happens here.

  37. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Shame-

    The one that Alvarez hit out caught too much of the plate.

    Maybe he is starting to tire a bit.

  38. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    I’m kind of rooting for the Pirates.

  39. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    You called it Shame.

    I’d go to Rosenthal.

    Doesn’t look like that’s what Matheny is going to do though.

  40. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    WYH-

    I am too but I think the Cards are better match w the Sux.

    I don’t see the Buccos beating them and I want them to go down.

  41. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “Didn’t AJ also pitch a terrible game in that WS to Molina in game 5…?? I like/liked AJ a lot but the dude was a headcase. If the wind was blowing slightly left, he’d be off.”

    That was sort of my point about his game the other day with Martin. AJ is AJ.

  42. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    I’m kind of rooting for the Pirates.

    ————–

    I can’t help it, so am I lol. I picked the Cards to win, but I’ve been pulling for the Pirates.

  43. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    MTU-

    I think the Dodgers can beat down the Sox. The Sox can try to wait out Kershaw if they want, they’ll be down 0-2 every time.

  44. pkyankfan69 October 7th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    I tried to tell Cash to trade for Sonny Gray (and Addison Russell) but he wasn’t allowed to sell on Cano because they would lose out on too much revenue in the second half if the Yanks were sellers building for the future.

  45. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Terrible slide..

  46. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    WYH-

    I think so too but I want to hedge my bets.

    ;)

  47. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    MTU – I was about to answer just like WYH! I think the Dodgers go to the WS, hopefully they meet the A’s or Tigers there.

  48. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Shame, as I said, it doesn’t matter how he pitched in the postseason with Molina behind the dish. For Girardi to have paired him and Posada knowing that there were problems between them would have been the height of irresponsibility, IMO. I’m not saying that AJ wasn’t a headcase. But he and Posada were at odds and it was affecting his pitching.

    *********

    Wave, I think the difference is I don’t try to substitute my judgment for Girardi’s, I try to understand the situation and try to understand why he may have done a certain thing. In the case of two players at odds with each other, with the playing of one being affected by it, I certainly would understand the manager wanting to change things up in the postseason.

    Yes I know the discussion was about whether you think and others think Girardi made the right decision. I thought you said that Girardi’s choice of Molina was an indication of what Girardi valued in a catcher (words to that effect). I was simply saying that the reason Molina was in there had to do with the situation between AJ and not Posada, not because of any penchant on the part of Girardi.

    Anyway, water under the bridge at this point. And as you said, they won it all.

  49. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Shame-

    The Sux look tough.

    Their O is relentless.

  50. Hankflorida October 7th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Shame, I would much prefer the Tigers play the Redsox and hopefully get the Sox out of the equation early before they get to the big stage. This has not been a “Big Apple” year as the Yankees did not get to the dance floor and the Giants and maybe the Jets will be down and out before they have a bye week. I guess that I have to keep my interest in watching sports when my teams are not there and that is by rooting against the Redsox, Cowboys and Dolphins. I am fortunate that today I went out and played 18 holes of golf rooting for myself to break 100 from the senior tees. It is more fun rooting for something then against.

  51. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Solid DHs had a collective OPS of .583 and folks say we would have no use for Abreu. The Sox seem to have done quite well with a regular DH. Just because we have old players who can’t play regularly in the field is no reason to give up on a position in the lineup who should be able to hit.

    If Girardi hasn’t signed by weeks end that tells me he is shopping. Under those circumstances, move on. He did a good job, but not good enough to hold the team in limbo. I do believe I would try Giambi.

    Randy said earlier Greinke hd a higher OPS than all but three Yankees. Think we need some offense?

  52. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    –So our–

  53. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Mac-

    How was Avebury ?

  54. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    MTU – Exactly why I’m hoping they run into Greinke and Kershaw!!

  55. pkyankfan69 October 7th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    When the Marlins worked out Abreu a few days ago they gave him reps at 3B… They must at least think its possible that he plays some over there although most defensive reviews I have read don’t seem to think highly of him even at 3B.

  56. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    By the way, karma really means you will get what you deserve in your next life. I’m a bit doubtful it applies to baseball. Did Cobb get his? Did so many others?

  57. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Shame-

    Kershaw is in a class by himself.

    Greinke is good but can be beaten.

  58. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    trisha – I don’t know if they had personal issues but could fully believe it.. the point I think both myself and WYH are making is that since you don’t know what you’re getting with AJ either way, you should put the best team out on the field around him.

  59. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    MTU,

    It was very cool in a bizarre sort of way. Now, I am staying across the street from Buckingham Palace. From one extreme to the other.

    Elizabeth told me to say hi, and that Hal should forget the cap.

  60. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Girardi just sometimes has this weird habit of not putting the best team on the field.. it’s just strange how he’ll sometimes take his foot off the gas.

  61. Wave Your Hat October 7th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    trisha-

    That’s fine. I think those of us who didn’t think Girardi made the right call then believe that he didn’t need to give AJ a personal catcher, but did so because he (Girardi) leaned toward the better defensive catcher to begin with, and are a bit suspicious of the subsequent rationales given out by AJ and Girardi.

    Anyway, the 2009 series illustration was just an aside in the earlier, larger discussion of Girardi’s choice of catcher this year.

    Have to go.

  62. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Mac-

    It would be nice if he would listen to the Queen.

    Say hi to Big Ben for me.

    :)

  63. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    MTU – Agreed, but Greinke is still pretty good and the Dodgers’ O is nothing to sneeze at so I think those teams would be pretty evenly matched. I’m still hoping the A’s surprise everyone and beat the Sox before they get a shot at a NL club.

  64. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Btw: Matt Holliday = still good.

  65. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Yes. It would be quite the thing of the A’s could beat the Sux.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Shame, I hear what you’re saying but when you’re talking catcher to a pitcher, you’re courting total disaster when you have a headcase on the mound and a headstrong catcher, and they’re at odds.

  67. Doreen October 7th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Kershaw was beatable last season. I had him in my fantasy BB league.

    I also had Pujols the season he was not very good (not this year).

    Also Stanton.

    And Strasberg.

    I do not have good luck.

    But then again I had Kennedy when he was a 20-game winner. Go figure. LOL

  68. Doreen October 7th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    I think the problem is that it’s not always clear what his best team is, especially this season. I mean, I think in many cases you are talking about small increments of better.

  69. TKR October 7th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    most of these teams in the playoffs have great young SPing

  70. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    The A’s won three more games than the Tigers this year. They are a good team. Honestly, most of us, me included, just don’t see them play enough because of the time zone. And they are young. Wouldn’t it be nice to have team with a future?

  71. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Closers whose 1st name is Trevor are pretty good.

    :)

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Wave, I understand what you’re saying. I truly believe that Posada and AJ were really having problems. I think Girardi did the right thing. That said, I do understand the consternation about Girardi and catchers in the bigger picture. I love defense, so as long as that’s there, I’m a happy camper.

    :)

  73. TKR October 7th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    Closers whose 1st name is Trevor are pretty good.
    ————————-
    what happen to their closer they had most of the year

  74. mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Get Pinella and give Girardi an ultimatum, this week or forget it.
    Lou will bring energy, edge and agita.
    But Girardi is the yes man they want.
    Lou might be too pushy for Hal.
    Doubt he would go for Stewart all year like Girardi.

  75. mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Bucs magic carpet ride is over.
    Say hello and goodbye to Wainwright.
    Wacha, wacha…

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    austin, I think most people think of karma in the more colloquial sense, more in the “what goes around, comes around” sense. That’s the way I’m using it, when I use it.

  77. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Doreen – I’d argue small increments with this club were that much more important, but there was a stretch where Romine had been hitting incredibly well, and Joe continued playing Stewie. It got to the point where Joe would start Stewie and pinch hit with Romine in the 7th – it was like a concession that Romine’s a better option. But instead of starting him so he could develop a rhythm and get a fair number of at bats, he would get plugged in more than half way through the games only getting a shot at one AB coming in cold off the bench. It was weird to keep riding Stewie that hard when you had a fresh young kid on the bench.

  78. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Mick-

    Isn’t sweet Lou a little old for that job ?

    He might prefer the golf course or the broadcast booth.

    :)

  79. TKR October 7th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    Get Pinella and give Girardi an ultimatum, this week or forget it.
    Lou will bring energy, edge and agita.
    But Girardi is the yes man they want.
    Lou might be too pushy for Hal.
    Doubt he would go for Stewart all year like Girardi.
    —————————————————————————
    said this morning Lou is 70 years old..why would he get involved in a team that has the cabinets bare

  80. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    mac – Was thinking the same thing.. the A’s are a very good club.

  81. TKR October 7th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    still sticking St Lou..RS ..WS

  82. mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    70 is the new 55.

  83. mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    LA-RS would be the best WS.

  84. joeman October 7th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    70 is the new 55.

    —————————————
    LOL..well we know that isn’t true

  85. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Piniella is not coming back nor should he, in my opinion. I do agree Girardi needs to agree to the deal by week’s end, or it should be pulled. There are about ten more critical pieces needed than a manager.

    I agree with an earlier comment that one run victories are significantly luck and Mariano related. Using Joba over and over, playing Stewart regularly, keeping Wells starting for far too long do not strike me as managing genius. He is a by the book manager.

    I would bring him back, but losing Cano would is about a million times for destructive.

  86. mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    If Donnie is available hire Lou as the GM.

  87. mick October 7th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    LOL..well we know that isn’t true
    ======================
    70 the new 60?

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    And austin, of course it applies to baseball players. It applies to everyone. Did you live with Cobb? Do you know how the course of his life went? I don’t know how it’s meted out, I just totally trust that it is. Clemens, IMO, got his in the first HOF vote. Again, my opinion.

    Here is one Merriam Webster definition of karma. It’s the one I refer to.

    the force created by a person’s actions that some people believe causes good or bad things to happen to that person

  89. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Trisha,

    I agree the world would be nice if things were that simple. Unfortunately, history is replete with bad people having great success.

    The Red Sox will lose when a team outplays them. Count me in on hoping it happens.

  90. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    I dunno that I understand the reasoning behind pulling an offer here… I dunno that it hurts them to keep the offer out there and let Joe shop. They should be eying replacements at that point, but there’s no reason not to try and retain him.

  91. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    The A’s were 9th out of 15 Teams in hitting during the regular season.

    That is not a great O.

    It’s their Pitching which was stellar. # 2.

    The Sux were more balanced.

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    On my way out to a meeting.

    Best I can say is – GO RAYS!!!

    Later y’all.

  93. sammiejohnson October 7th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 1m

    Filed news story on Girardi; Yanks haven’t heard his decision yet, prepared to give him all the time he needs

    _______________________________________________

    Doesn’t sound like they put any time limit on it.

  94. joeman October 7th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    like to see Willie as manager if Joe leaves

  95. Doreen October 7th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Shame -

    I wanted him to play Romine more at that point as well – especially since Stewart was showing signs of wear and tear.

    But this team was really not a good team, and I think he got more out of people in general than I expected. I don’t think we’re really talking game changing, season changing stuff here.

    Except in continuing to bring in Joba…..

  96. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Trisha,

    Believe what you will. Did karma not apply when the Red Sox won the last two Series? Did it not apply when AROD won multiple MVPs and two enormous contracts while using PEDs?

    No, Cobb was a bit before my time, but surely you know what a racist, vile human being he was. Or maybe you don’t.

    Did Stalin get to kill millions of his own people with no retribution? And on and on and on and on.

  97. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West October 7th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    You guys aren’t giving the A’s much credit. Their pitching is fantastic, they can hit for power and Bob Melvin is a smart guy. I’m a season ticket holder and get to watch them play a lot. The red Sox will not be able to hit HRs in “that pit” the A’s call home. If the A’s finish off the tigers, I think the series with Boston is much closer than you think.

  98. Doreen October 7th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    An awful lot of good people have some bad things happening to them. I want to know what Karma my daughters had; and if you say “sins of the mother/father” I would challenge that fervently.

    I think in general, what goes around comes around, in that if you treat people well, you will be treated well, and vice versa, but as for the fate of entire teams built around mistakes made or deliberate actions taken by an individual? No. And as for using karma as an explanation of why a person has a difficult life? No.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    “I dunno that I understand the reasoning behind pulling an offer here… I dunno that it hurts them to keep the offer out there and let Joe shop. They should be eying replacements at that point, but there’s no reason not to try and retain him.”

    Absolutely with you on that.

    ************

    “I agree the world would be nice if things were that simple. Unfortunately, history is replete with bad people having great success.”

    Again, you know what you read of their lives. Nobody existed with them behind their four walls. I trust that bad people have bad happen to them, whatever it is, however it is.

    And about the Sux? Of course they’ll lose when a better team beats them. But will some of those “unlucky” drops in the field be just another day in baseball, or will something else be at play?

    Look, all I can do is trust that those who cheat get payback. Clemens won several world series, but years later, he was made a pariah. Call it what you want. That was my definition of karma.

    Here’s the wonderful thing about free thought. Nobody has to agree with anybody else!

    Have a great night.

    :)

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Doreen – free thought! We’ll agree to disagree on karma. And we’ll both live happy productive lives.

  101. chicken_stanley October 7th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    I’ll definitely be pulling for the Rays to win tonight but I’m also pulling for Longoria to hit a 450 ft homer, stand in the box 8-10 seconds admiring it, and then take a minute and a half to circle the bases (with one flap down ala Jeff Leonard)… anything to annoy and/or anger the sox! :)

  102. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Doreen – You’ll get no disagreements from me there. The conversation really started about Girardi’s preference for catchers and how he’ll be willing to use them going forward. How he might use our catchers might be a moot point if he doesn’t accept this offer soon lol.

  103. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Balfour and Victor Martinez exchanged F-BOMBS in the bottom of 9th today.
    Balfour is a punk who was looking to start something. I hope Tigers use
    the incident today to fuel them and end up winning the series in 5, in Oakland later this week.

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    And of course good people have bad happen to them. Show me the perfect life and I’ll show you heaven.

    In the meantime, maybe those bad things are somehow eased by the good in the people around them. I don’t have time for a total philosophical discussion because I need to get to a meeting. But I’m happy to do it at any other time you want it.

  105. Hankflorida October 7th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Tony Pena won manager of the year in 2003 when he took over the Royals as he led them to a winning season. The Royals reverted back to their losing ways in the next two years and Pena resigned. Like Pena, Girardi had a successful year with a young team but lost his job because of a dispute with the Marlin’s owner. If Girardi leaves, Pena should be his replacement.

  106. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    chicken_stanley October 7th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    I’ll definitely be pulling for the Rays to win tonight but I’m also pulling for Longoria to hit a 450 ft homer, stand in the box 8-10 seconds admiring it, and then take a minute and a half to circle the bases (with one flap down ala Jeff Leonard)… anything to annoy and/or anger the sox! :)
    ————————————————————————-’
    which could lead to a nice brawl in the PS. i would not mind seeing that.
    great idea!

  107. tomingeorgia October 7th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    trisha,
    Sounds like your definition of karma is revenge. Not my idea of karma.

  108. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    “And as for using karma as an explanation of why a person has a difficult life? No.”

    Never have, never will.

    But if you see your life falling apart around you, you might want to start questioning what you’ve put out in this world.

    Night all.

    :)

  109. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Michelle,

    I agree. The A’s are a very good team. We underrate them because they don’t have many big names. Just good players and very good pitching.

    On the Girardi front, doesn’t it say he doesn’t want to return if he waits on the Cubs, Reds or whoever? Are the Yankees willing to get in a bidding war over him when they have already, reportedly, made him an offer among the very highest in baseball?

    I don’t think they will wait overly long, but they sure aren’t going to say so publicly. I believe not accepting the offer is rejecting the offer.

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    How about this tom? I don’t give a rat’s patootie what your definition is, or anybody else’s. I’m satisfied with mine.

    And if you can’t understand a simple concept, well then you can’t. You call it “revenge”. :roll:

    I call it comeuppance. And if you don’t mind people cheating and lying, then you don’t.

    I do.

    GOOD NIGHT

  111. chicken_stanley October 7th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Hank – I wouldn’t mind to see Pena either, if Joe G left.

    Btw, you never said – did you break the 100 today?

  112. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 7th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    How about this tom? I don’t give a rat’s patootie what your definition is, or anybody else’s. I’m satisfied with mine.

    And if you can’t understand a simple concept, well then you can’t. You call it “revenge”. :roll:

    I call it comeuppance. And if you don’t mind people cheating and lying, then you don’t.

    I do.

    GOOD NIGHT
    —————————————————————————————
    Again with the cheating topic.
    You are a broken record.
    Believe me, a lot of people here who post regularly are familiar with your opinion on cheating.
    Does not make you any better for feeling that way.

  113. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Red Sox already in front… Victorino took out Zobrist pretty hard at 2B. Maybe the Sox will get lots of off time and it will slow them down. Maybe.

  114. tomingeorgia October 7th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    trisha,
    Ever lost a case where the person was, at least in your mind, innocent?

  115. Doreen October 7th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    I agree – the A’s are a good team who have gotten production out of each and every player on their roster.

    They should be tough. Plus there’s that west coast travel…

    ;)

  116. luis October 7th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Mac,

    Good to see you around…. I rather see Girardi elsewhere than here…

    Tom,

    Likewise…Good to see you around

  117. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Trisha,

    Did Ortiz use the last two times the Sox won the World Series? If so, where is the karma? If not, why do you keep saying he did?

  118. Doreen October 7th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Shame -

    Maybe the A’s can slow them down.

    Maybe the west coast travel.

    Maybe a NL team that they haven’t seen too much.

    I watched more Red Sox during a week in Cape Cod than I’d ever care to. It was depressing. It happened to be during the Mariners series where they had that game that they came from behind in the bottom of the ninth down a zillion runs and ended up winning the game.

    I hate the Red Sox, and I HATE THOSE FLIPPIN BEARDS

  119. yankeefeminista October 7th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Rays need to get out of this only one run down.

  120. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Doreen – They look like they have fleas… it’s rather unbecoming.

  121. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Also, Shane Victorino has crazy eyes.

  122. luis October 7th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    They are the New England branch of ZZ Top

  123. luis October 7th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    They’ve gone from “Idiots” to”Hillbillies”… I bet the address the manager as “Pa”

  124. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Luis-

    The Soggy Bottom boys.

    ;)

  125. tomingeorgia October 7th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    luis,
    Hey!

  126. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Luis,

    I am traveling, but baseball follows me wherever I go. Sometimes it would be nice not to carry around the realities of the team with me.

    If anyone, and I know you do, would look at the holes in the team and explain how to get out this morass, I would love to hear it. No decent catcher, maybe no 2B, SS, 3B, and a weak outfield to go along with loss of two or three starters and the best closer ever is not the way to compete. Maybe someone should tell Hal the fans are not nearly as stupid as he thinks we are.

  127. luis October 7th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    MTU October 7th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
    Luis-

    The Soggy Bottom boys.

    ;)

    ============================

    Pretty much! ;)

  128. chicken_stanley October 7th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Also, Shane Victorino has crazy eyes

    ——–

    and, I may very well be insane, but have you seen a head shot of Ortiz and his beauty of a beard… I swear he looks like a human emoticon… I have no idea what emotion is being conveyed, but still.

  129. Doreen October 7th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    The well-groomed beards I have no problem with. It’s those unkempt, lumberjack beards that make me ill.

    Maybe someone should take a razor in the night and shave them all – Samson without the hair not so strong maybe??? LOL

  130. yankinvegas October 7th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Obviously, I hate the Red Sox and I believe the season is a total fluke. So many stiffs having good to great years.
    The games to me are unwatchable because of the broadcasters. Boston will be very tough to beat, but hopefully it will be done. And they will not only lose, they will be humiliated and next year they will crawl back under the rock they came out from this year!
    As for Girardi, if he doesn’t want to come back, so be it. Billy Martin he isn’t.
    It’s far more important to sign some players (Cano) than an average manager.

  131. austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Luis,

    Who would you like to see manage? I say Giambi.

    I do hate the shaggy heard thing. In my opinion, the Yankees could loosen their rules a bit, but this look is surely not the image the league hopes to project.

  132. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    The A’s were 9th out 15 Teams in the AL in O.

  133. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    and, I may very well be insane, but have you seen a head shot of Ortiz and his beauty of a beard… I swear he looks like a human emoticon… I have no idea what emotion is being conveyed, but still.

    ———–

    Yes!!!

  134. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West October 7th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    WTP,

    Balfour isn’t a punk… He talks to himself a lot on the mound, Martinez is the punk in that situation.

  135. Shame Spencer October 7th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    MTU October 7th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    The A’s were 9th out 15 Teams in the AL in O.

    ———–

    Yeah the A’s have had to scrape together offense all year.

  136. Warning Track Power October 7th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West October 7th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
    WTP,

    Balfour isn’t a punk… He talks to himself a lot on the mound, Martinez is the punk in that situation.
    ——————————————————————————
    I disagree. Martinez was only looking in the direction of Balfour because he missed a great pitch to hit.
    Balfour started the verbal exchange with his four letter insults and more.

    Either way, it was fun t.v. and very cool MLB Network provided microphones that were so close to the action.

  137. Michelle B. of Yankee Stadium West October 7th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    I respectfully disagree. Martinez was giving him a death stare as if he throw the ball at his head. But, it was funny TV, considering you could hear all the audio and then the announcers had to apologize.

  138. luis October 7th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    austinmac October 7th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
    Luis,

    I am traveling, but baseball follows me wherever I go. Sometimes it would be nice not to carry around the realities of the team with me.

    If anyone, and I know you do, would look at the holes in the team and explain how to get out this morass, I would love to hear it. No decent catcher, maybe no 2B, SS, 3B, and a weak outfield to go along with loss of two or three starters and the best closer ever is not the way to compete. Maybe someone should tell Hal the fans are not nearly as stupid as he thinks we are.

    =======================

    Mac… First, LOL!!

    No we are not stupid or blind…But they will try to spin this as a result of bad luck… As for what I would do?… We need a complete overhaul of the whole team’s FO, starting with the GM… Then I would hire a good baseball GM with experience in rebuilding ( Randy’s suggestion of bringing back in Stick as interim GM is a good idea )… Second, I would concentrate on rebuilding our amateur scouting department and MiLB coaching staff… Third, I would try to shed those LT contracts as much as I can ( starting with Tex’s )… As you very well say, there are too many holes to fill with limited payroll space, so a rebuilding process is in order… They lost too many opportunities to start the process in the recent past to either keep competing or to shorten up the down time we are facing… I just don’t see how this team becomes competitive within the next three seasons, unless those prospects we have down in double A pan out… That’s a big if, if you take in to account their apparent inability to develop prospects, not to mention their departure from the Yankee way of doing things.

    They need to face this reality and come clean with the fan base… I am not holding my breath though

  139. luis October 7th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Mac,

    I would like Pena to manage in all honesty… He would be great handling Sanchez and Murphy… And I think if they give him the job to develop the new core, he would actually give them playing time… I don’t see Joe doing this… As for Giambi, I don’t know… He would be liked no doubt, but would he be respected??

  140. YanksPats October 7th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    It is possible that Ortiz did not use performance enhancing drugs.

  141. randy l. October 7th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    it would really suck if the red sox won another world series, but the upside is getting amateur karma lessons for free would probably decrease on the blog :)

  142. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    The Rays are done.

    They will not be able to take 3 straight.

    Especially w the last one in the sardine can.

  143. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Oh no. Another A-Rod post ———>

  144. MTU October 7th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Anyone else sick of talking about A-rod ?

  145. luis October 7th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Randy,

    forget it…People that deal in absolutes never learn anything

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    Truth be told, I don’t even care if David Ortiz is using PEDs – Red Sock or not.

    I just hope that if he is he’ll find it in his heart to teach a few of his Yankee buddies how to do it and get away with it.

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