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Yankees building organizational options at third base

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 09, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tyler Austin has not regularly played the infield since 2011. But in his Arizona Fall League debut last night, Austin started at first base, and he’s actually listed as an infielder on the Scottsdale roster.

It’s not necessarily a mistake. Mark Newman emailed this morning to say Austin is going to play first base, third base and right field in Arizona this offseason.

“Flexibility,” Newman explained.

Fair enough, but a look through the Yankees minor league system shows the team is stockpiling options at third base. And a look at the bigger picture shows it’s happening as Alex Rodriguez’s future becomes remarkably uncertain, Dante Bichette continues to struggle, and no in-house option has emerged as a clear successor at the position.

This is a 2013 photo of Tyler Austin of the New York Yankees baseball team. This image reflects the Yankees' spring training roster as of Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2013, when this image was taken. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum) Austin, who moved from the infield corners to right field in 2012, is now playing the infield again. He didn’t play a single game in the infield during the regular season, but now third base is back on the table.

Peter O’Brien, drafted last year as a catcher out of the University of Miami, shifted primarily to third base in the second half of this season. He’s going to play third base and catcher in the Fall League, but he’s caught only 12 times since June 21. He’d been exclusively a catcher before that.

Eric Jagielo, a third baseman from Notre Dame, was the Yankees top draft pick this year. Having recently focused their first-round picks on high-risk high school players, the Yankees changed that approach to add a fairly polished college third baseman.

Rob Segedin, who in 2012 moved primarily from third base to right field, moved back to third base this year. He played exclusively in the infield before being shutdown by hip surgery.

Ronnier Mustelier, who barely played third base in 2011 and played roughly a quarter of his games at third base in 2012, essentially split his time 50/50 between third base and the outfield this season.

Not a position change, but if we’re discussing third base, it’s certainly worth noting that a young Dominican player named Miguel Andujar had a very nice year as a third baseman in the Gulf Coast League this season.

Some of these were natural additions and transformations — Segedin was on a roster full of outfielders this season, Mustelier also played on a team that occasionally had more need for an infielder, the Yankees have a history of testing catchers at the infield corners — but there is a noticeable increase in third base options within the organization. And it’s come at a time when third base is a real question moving forward.

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130 Responses to “Yankees building organizational options at third base”

  1. blake October 9th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    blake October 9th, 2013 at 11:23 am
    “Ridiculous idea #1 letting Cano walk and replacing him with say Infante @ 2B, Andrus @ SS and moving Jeter to 3B( Let’s not even get into the mahinations of making this happen as the trade for andrus would be the worst trade in the teams history).”

    team would be better…..so it’s not all that ridiculous when you consider those moves would have a ton of left over money to sign other stuff.

    In the past you have told me that we didn’t need Chase Headley because we have David Adams and he’s just as good…..so please…..don’t call my ideas ridiculous

  2. blake October 9th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    3B and SS are probably the biggest problems in the Yankee organization……maybe Jageilo will solve 3B in a couple of years but that’s an if and even still he’s at least 2 years away.

    There isn’t a SS to replace Jeter in sight anywhere in the organization and that should be a priority this winter is getting a SS……get a SS first then have the conversation about moving to 3B with Jeter. He’s a big boy and he’ll understand and deal with it……

  3. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    The above is Exactly why the Yankee Bushers continue to disappoint. Those in charge are continuously chasing their tail. Instead of sighting an area of need and drafting to fill that need, they are attempt to plug round pegs into square holes. No plan=No hope. Cashman and his minions should be shown the door.

  4. Shame Spencer October 9th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Yeah, we’re not a couple years late on this at all…

    Austin is one of our better prospects, should he be the guy we move all over the field?

  5. jpb173 October 9th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Does the fact that this email came from Mark Newman mean that he won’t be ‘getting the boot’ this offseason. There was a general feeling that Newman and/or Oppenheimer were going to get fired so that the Yanks could rebuild from within. Now, maybe they’ll be staying.

  6. blake October 9th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “Austin is one of our better prospects, should he be the guy we move all over the field?”

    if there is any chance he can play 3B then I’d try it to be honest……

  7. DONNYBROOK October 9th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    The 2 primary holes on the 25 Man are at C and 3B. Retaining Ryan at SS supplies insurance there.

  8. pkyankfan69 October 9th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    If the Yankees scouts agree that Tanaka projects as a solid #2 type starter (or maybe we should take other team’s scouts word for it) they really have to go after him. He’s going to cost what? $25-$30 Posting fee and a 4 year – $36 M contract? Not signing a #2 type guy for anywhere near an AAV of $8M a year.

  9. jpb173 October 9th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    I like the idea of keeping Peter O’brien involved as a catcher and third baseman. My gut feel is that if O’brien makes as a major leaguer he will probably spend most of his time as a DH. Nonetheless if he can still catch and play third base occasionally it would provide a lot of flexibility to the manager. Few teams can carry a 3rd catcher…this might be a way for the Yankees to carry an emergency catcher.

  10. Warning Track Power October 9th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Chad-Thanks for the post. Of course 3B is a HUGE question mark for the organization.
    Someone has to step up and hopefully one of these young kids will make himself noticeable with an outstanding season.
    If not, a 3B player has to be acquired via trade or Free Agency within the next 2 years.

  11. fantasygame101 October 9th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    even if you have so much raw talents in the minors but you can not develop them properly, it does not count much. Instructors and coaches in the minors are more important bec. they can not only impact 25 or 40 players but hundreds of players. If your system disappoints so many times, it is time to replace the system.

  12. champ809 October 9th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    In the past you have told me that we didn’t need Chase Headley because we have David Adams and he’s just as good…..so please…..don’t call my ideas ridiculous

    Firstoff, what I said to you was that Headley is not a player you trade 3 or 4 of your top prospects for as his 2012 secondhalf was afluke and what he’s shown himself to be is a .250/12HR 3B which is what he’s always been. He proved me right again this season.

    I never said that Dave Adams is just as good as Headley but i do believe that if given 500 at-bats he could hit .250/.330/.400/15 HRs which is exactly what Headley did this past year

  13. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 9th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I would love the Yanks to keep Cano.

    I don’t think any player is worth a 10-year contract.

    Hopefully a marriage that works for both partners can be worked out.

    Dat’s all.

  14. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    They are miles away from playing, but do we have a nice group of short stops who may get as far as A ball this year, led by Avelino (who is my pick for future Yankee SS). Imagine Andujar and Avelino on the same infield. A girl can dream…

  15. Warning Track Power October 9th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 9th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    I would love the Yanks to keep Cano.

    I don’t think any player is worth a 10-year contract.

    Hopefully a marriage that works for both partners can be worked out.

    Dat’s all.
    ————————————————————————-
    Everybody should understand 10 years is ridiculous to ask for. If a team wants to give
    Cano those 10 years, I hope the Yankees are not that 1 team.

    I sort of feel sad for Cano because I think the advice he is getting is terrible. Instead of knowing his value it appears his team is overreaching severely and at the end of the day that will portray Cano is a very negative way.

  16. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 9th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    I know Jayzee is talented as a musician, but as a sports advisor?

  17. blake October 9th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    “Firstoff, what I said to you was that Headley is not a player you trade 3 or 4 of your top prospects for as his 2012 secondhalf was afluke and what he’s shown himself to be is a .250/12HR 3B which is what he’s always been. He proved me right again this season.”

    he was hurt the entire first half and hit .280 .371 .458 .829 in the 2nd half which is much closer to what he really is…..and that’s a good player.

    Also I never said he was worth trading 3 or 4 top prospects for either…….

    Just try not to post things I have said out of context…..because the whole issue with Cano is his age and the contract and what you could do with that money and how that fits into this budget Hal has…..obviously I’d love to have Cano plus other players too but that doesn’t seem to be an option at this point.

  18. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    If baseball didn’t have the luxury tax structure, or if the Yanks weren’t consistently at or over the cap, a 10 year deal wouldn’t be too bad. It would then be simply another way of back-loading the payout under a contract. The problem comes when the AAV of an aging player exceeds the players value and because of the cap he can’t be replaced.

    That’s the main reason the Yanks can’t afford to give Cano a 10 year deal. However, another team consistently under the cap could give Cano a 10 year deal without overly worrying about whether Cano would be worth it towards the end.

  19. blake October 9th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    “They are miles away from playing, but do we have a nice group of short stops who may get as far as A ball this year, led by Avelino (who is my pick for future Yankee SS). Imagine Andujar and Avelino on the same infield. A girl can dream…”

    I have grown too prospect huggery the last couple of years……I’m moving back to Missouri with my takes …..they gotta show me from now on….and do it in the upper levels and then the big leagues.

  20. blake October 9th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Cano isn’t going to accept a 10 year deal for the same or less money than he could get in an 8 year deal……

  21. jpb173 October 9th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    They are miles away from playing, but do we have a nice group of short stops who may get as far as A ball this year, led by Avelino (who is my pick for future Yankee SS). Imagine Andujar and Avelino on the same infield. A girl can dream…

    =========================================

    I’ve been following Avellino’s stats on the web and am also impressed. The only thing I’ve heard is that he is a little shaky in the field. I don’t know if its Eduardo Nunez type shaky in the field or not, though. At any rate he’s only 18 years old so there is time to improve. I hope that he gets better instruction down in the minors than Nunez did.

    By the way, if you are interested, you might want to check out the stats for Tyler Wade and Thairo Estrada this season. Both are shortstops, Wade was 18 years old and Estrada was 17 years old. Also take a peak at Gosuke Katoh’s stats in the GCL this year. He was an 18 year old, 6′-2″ – 180 lb left handing hitting second baseman who hopefully will someday replace Robinson Cano.

  22. Warning Track Power October 9th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    blake October 9th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    Cano isn’t going to accept a 10 year deal for the same or less money than he could get in an 8 year deal……
    ————————————————————————————————————————-
    Cano is in for a rude awakening. He needs to understand his full value. Cano is operating as if he is a batting champ, MVP of the league, etc…..

  23. Hassey October 9th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Joe Pepitone’s birthday today
    How is he still alive?

  24. blake October 9th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “Cano is in for a rude awakening. He needs to understand his full value. Cano is operating as if he is a batting champ, MVP of the league, etc…..”

    he’s one of the best players in baseball…..he’s a 6-8 WAR player consistently which means some team with a crappy 2B is almost automatically adding 6-8 wins to their record on paper. Not only that…..he’s the only true elite player on the market this year and the only one set to hit the market for a couple of years…….I don’t think he’s in for that rude of an awakening at all unless he really thinks he’s getting 300 milliion bucks……I’d almost guarantee he’s getting 200 though.

  25. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Hassey October 9th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    Joe Pepitone’s birthday today
    How is he still alive?

    ————————————
    good question

  26. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    “Cano isn’t going to accept a 10 year deal for the same or less money than he could get in an 8 year deal……”

    Who’s saying he would?

  27. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Cano is going to be 8/180..200

  28. Warning Track Power October 9th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    joeman October 9th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Cano is going to be 8/180..200
    ——————————————————————————–
    Just because Cano wants this kind of contract/value does not mean there is a team out there
    who will give that to him.

    I am on record here that anything more than 6 years is asking for trouble. Anything more than 6 years guarantees the final couple years of the contract will be another fine example of an aging veteran who is overpaid.

    I want Cano to stay, but for a reasonable contract.

  29. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    “I am on record here that anything more than 6 years is asking for trouble. Anything more than 6 years guarantees the final couple years of the contract will be another fine example of an aging veteran who is overpaid.”

    Overpaying in the out years shouldn’t matter to a team like the Tigers. For them, it would simply be a matter of paying money, which their owner has plenty of, and not a matter of not being able to sign another player to replace the loss of Cano’s production due to the luxury tax.

  30. champ809 October 9th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    NO team will offer Robbie a 10 year deal. period

    I do think that an 8yr/200mil deal is out there and in my mind the Yanks should most definitely match that.

  31. yankinvegas October 9th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Sometimes, it’s very difficult for me to accept the fact the my Yankees are loathed throughout baseball. I love them so much that I can’t see clearly. But, we must realize that MLB made rules to derail the Yankees, no one else.
    It’s also hard to understand why the Red Sox, a team that all of us despise, are loved so much and rooted for so hard.
    Right now we are looking at a valley. The front office has to turn it into a peak. I believe the time has come to open up the checkbook and spend our way back to the top. However, no player over 30 gets more than a 6 year deal. I would pay Cano enormous, undeserved dollars but not past his 36th birthday.
    The potential exists for a really good team in 2014. I am anxiously awaiting the moves and I dearly hope that Hal’s last name is the one that drives his decisions.

  32. bruceb October 9th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    How long will it be, I wonder, before Chad is posting a story about a player in the Yankees’ farm system that is going to spring training with a realistic chance of making the team?

    We’re seeing players like Machado, Myers, Bogaerts and Buxton coming through in our division and all we have to talk about is Tyler Austin? Seriously?

  33. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Warning Track Power October 9th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    joeman October 9th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Cano is going to be 8/180..200
    ——————————————————————————–
    Just because Cano wants this kind of contract/value does not mean there is a team out there
    who will give that to him.

    I am on record here that anything more than 6 years is asking for trouble. Anything more than 6 years guarantees the final couple years of the contract will be another fine example of an aging veteran who is overpaid.

    I want Cano to stay, but for a reasonable contract
    ————————————————————
    my thinking of what he’s going to get from someone…my guess Washington and their 114 mil payroll…

  34. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    “NO team will offer Robbie a 10 year deal. period”

    Believe what you will but I could see Robbie getting 250/10 in certain circumstances. I don’t think the Yanks would, but the Tigers might, the Cubs might. If an owner has deep pockets and wants to win now badly enough, why not?

  35. champ809 October 9th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    he was hurt the entire first half and hit .280 .371 .458 .829 in the 2nd half which is much closer to what he really is…..and that’s a good player.

    He had a hot September playing garbage time.

    Those 2nd half stats are 6hrs/19rbis of which he hit 5hrs/14rbis in Sept.

    And to be clear I’d take Headley on this team as I’ve said but the package that I’d offer would be commensurate with what his career #’s have shown him to be and not the inflated value that he would have commanded off his 2012 2nd half.

  36. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    jpb173 October 9th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
    ____
    What did you hear about Avelino’s D? I know he battled back from several quad injuries, and they have been working on his footwork as a matter of course, but hard to see any comparisons with Nunie, as we drafted Avelino for and by all accounts he has potential GG D. I had hoped to get out to see him in the brief time he was SI, but unfortunately could not.

    I did follow those GCL players stats, and they were impressive, especially like Katoh. Also interested to see how Mateo and Baez progress. I read an interview with Pat McMahon about Estreda and loved what I read. One thing Yanks did do right in terms of development is adding that second GCL team, giving younger players more much needed playing time. Lower levels should be fun to follow next year, and I’m hoping some of these players get to SI. Still think we did a great job on 2012 young IFA signings, btw.

    Also I’m interested to see how Tamarez after an adjustment year in GCL (unlike his big DSL O #’s), and always found Segedin’s D at 3B solely lacking in the few times I’ve seen him play.

  37. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    after an adjustment year at GCL *performs

  38. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    thought the LAD had a deal in place with Alex Guerrero

  39. pat October 9th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    So there might be better options to play 3B than a 40 year old who has never played 3B and is coming off 2 ankle injuries?

  40. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    I hope he can, but you can’t count on Jeter being able to play infield at all.

  41. Chambliss October 9th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    5 or 10 years ago, cano would have been a lock to be signed by this Yankees because everyone know that George would have done whatever it takes to bring him back. Things are different now. Other teams know that the Yankees want to get below 189.

    I don’t care what Magic said the other day. Cano will be with the Dodgers in 2014.

  42. Chambliss October 9th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    I meant to say “everyone knew”.

  43. Niblick October 9th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    It’s bad enough that every poster here thinks they are a manager.

    Now, with all this nonsensical speculation about Cano, everyone thinks they are both the general manager and owner. Guess what, folks? It’s not your money!!

  44. yanks61 October 9th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    They are miles away from playing, but do we have a nice group of short stops who may get as far as A ball this year, led by Avelino (who is my pick for future Yankee SS). Imagine Andujar and Avelino on the same infield. A girl can dream…

    I thought that I’ve read that Culver has made some real progress since giving up SH and batting RH only. And I believe he did this after moving up to AA. Has anyone any more détails?

  45. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    pat says:
    October 9, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    So there might be better options to play 3B than a 40 year old who has never played 3B and is coming off 2 ankle injuries?

    Would you rather have said player at SS?

  46. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    “Cano isn’t going to accept a 10 year deal for the same or less money than he could get in an 8 year deal……”

    Who’s saying he would?”

    Just responding to the notion that they could do a 10 year deal to lower the AAV…..just don’t think Cano would prefer that unless it’s more total money

  47. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    I think Jeter retires before he moves off of his natural position.

  48. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    MTU says:
    October 9, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    I think Jeter retires before he moves off of his natural position.

    It’s no slap in the face to move to 3B…..Ripken did it….lots of guys have

  49. yanks61 October 9th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    pat says:
    October 9, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    So there might be better options to play 3B than a 40 year old who has never played 3B and is coming off 2 ankle injuries?

    Would you rather have said player at SS?

    ————————————————–

    If I’m the Yankee Mgr I would definitely ask Jete to give it a shot in ST. Pat M would be a good person to ask about this as well (though I believe you played INF also Blake.)

  50. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Blake-

    Yes. Guys do it. I just don’t think Jeter is one of them.

    ;)

  51. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    “I thought that I’ve read that Culver has made some real progress since giving up SH and batting RH only. And I believe he did this after moving up to AA. Has anyone any more détails?”

    It was A+ ball. I’d love to see those numbers in Trenton. LOL. I’d love to see him get there. And I intended to mention him in my last post as well but I forgot to. And I’ve always thought it was/is too early to give up on Cito. I think that his being focused on batting only righty helps his bat. Splits in Tampa were nice too, but also Tampa numbers are a small sample. But here’s hoping.

  52. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    I played all 3 infield spots at one point or another and if you can play SS you can play 3b…..it’s different and would take some adjustment time but he could do it/….

  53. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Again, I don’t see Jeter resisting a move if his post-ankle injury range etc. dictates that he move.

  54. LGY October 9th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Even with his injuries in the first half Headley posted a 117 OPS+.

    Adams isn’t coming close to that in 500 ABs.

    Please be realistic.

  55. yanks61 October 9th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    MTU, I think that someone in Yankee Mgmt (Cash or Hal) has already said that Jeter will be the SS. So you’re probably right But I wonder if they might not very quietly ask him to give it a try (?)

  56. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    yanks 61, sorry I forgot to include your name. Above post on Cito was in response to you.

  57. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    The Yankees will have an excellent pick in this year’s draft at # 18.

    No more saying we don’t draft high enough to get a stud.

    ;)

  58. pkyankfan69 October 9th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    I guess there has to be some rule in the CBA prohibiting a contract from being a crazy long amount of years to knock down the AAV.

    Say Cano signs 30 years – $250M

    The first 10 years Cano gets $24M per year… The last 20 years Cano gets $500K per year (or whatever the min is)

    AAV = $8.33M

    That can’t be allowed right?… I remember some teams fighting the NHL over deals like that to get around the salary cap…. BTW, not saying I would give Cano that, just curious.

  59. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Yanks also said Jeter would be ready for OD, and that Bubba Crosby would play CF, so don’t think it matters what they say ultimately. Except when it comes to their catching proclamations. Then we know for sure that whatever they say, pitch framing trumps all. ;)

  60. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    61-

    Jeter is Team 1st guy so who knows. I’m just being my usual skeptical self.

    ;)

  61. yanks61 October 9th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Thanks for that correction and update YF. Obviously he’s go to keep the momentum going. Have you heard if there’s a chance he might be moved up in 2014?

  62. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    LGY,
    Thank you….plus he’s actually a good 3B

    “I guess there has to be some rule in the CBA prohibiting a contract from being a crazy long amount of years to knock down the AAV.”

    I think the “can’t do anything to try to circumvent the luxury tax whatever rule ” may apply

  63. pat October 9th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    “Would you rather have said player at SS?”

    I just don’t think it’s as easy to move guys to new positions as some of you seem to suggest. Could Derek play 3b. Absolutely. Could he play it better than other options? That’s a BIG question mark to me especially from a 40 year old coming off 2 lower leg breaks and a few other lower leg injuries in the last 12 months.

    It seems like some peoples goal is to find a place for Derek to play when I think the goal should be to field the best team even if that doesn’t include Derek as a starter any more.

  64. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Sometimes pushing the envelope is a bad thing.

    It was in Jeter’s case.

    :(

  65. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “No more saying we don’t draft high enough to get a stud.”

    True but one year is iffy…..anybody can bust even a mid round pick guy. Still in the bottom 1/2 ….

  66. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Hi MTU, how’s the family doing? Sending healing thoughts!

    I think we have a ton of talent at lower levels; now what kind of development those kids get exposed to is another story entirely. Keep fingers crossed for like 4-5 years; only unlock them after we deliver a few studs to the majors. :)

  67. 86w183 October 9th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Ripken moved to 3B, but he did it kicking and screaming and not before basically destroying the confidence and career of young Manny Alexander in the process. The Orioles were so ticked they signed Mike Bordick as a FA and shoved Cal over one spot.

    Because A-Rod and Jeter’s situations are so uncertain my guess is they re-sign Brendan Ryan OR sign Jhonny (nice spelling) Peralta. They may shy away from the Bio-Genesis bunch, but I wouldn’t.

  68. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    If A-Rod is out 100 or more and Cano does not return you’re looking at about 35-40 to spend.

    Of course I hope that Cano does.

    But that’s some serious coin.

  69. yankeefeminista October 9th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    And don’t forget we got some of the top (especially) 2012 IFA’s; too bad they are so young, so less projectable, but they do kind of, sort of translate into high draft picks… just younger ones. So, think (hope!) that group can hopefully have some kind of impact down the road.

  70. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “I just don’t think it’s as easy to move guys to new positions as some of you seem to suggest. ”

    I played them both…..he could do it…..the orioles put Machado there after literally never playing there ever and he was immediately great. Arod did it ….tons of players have done it. The angles are different but again f you can play SS you can play 3B

  71. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    YF-

    Thanks for the kind thoughts and prayers.

    It’s a mixed bag around here. Our immediate Family is A-OK but our relatives not so much.

    Since we are all connected that is still a serious problem.

    I hope all goes well for you and yours.

    As far as the Minors go I agree. Lot’s of talent there and potential.

    Whether it comes to fruition is an entirely different story.

    I still wonder what the status of J-Ram is ? It’s like the riddle of the Sphinx.

    :)

  72. Warning Track Power October 9th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    I think Jeter retires before he moves off of his natural position.
    ——————————————————————————–
    If Jeter does indeed do what you wrote, then I would lose a ton of respect for Jeter.

    What Jeter has to understand is him moving to another position is what is best for the team.
    All these years the team has supported him, so now it’s time for him to return the favor.

    Jeter might have a future at 3B or he might have a future as a DH. The days of him playing
    150+ games per season are probably over.

  73. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    And sure Derek might not be as good a 3B as some other options out there…..but what are those options? He’s gotta play somewhere and they’d be better off with a new SS (if they could get one) and him at 3B than they would with some guy at 3B and Jeter at SS…..

  74. pkyankfan69 October 9th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    And sure Derek might not be as good a 3B as some other options out there…..but what are those options? He’s gotta play somewhere and they’d be better off with a new SS (if they could get one) and him at 3B than they would with some guy at 3B and Jeter at SS….
    —————-
    And we need to keep DH open for our new Cuban Superstar

  75. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Remember.

    Jeter’s option is a player option.

    I think he’ll work his butt off this OS to return as a SS.

    I don’t think he’ll want to go out this way so if he can’t handle short he might have to consider playing somewhere else.

    I’m just saying he really won’t want to.

    He is the ultimate Team player though so who knows.

    ;)

  76. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    69-

    I like that you dream big.

    :)

  77. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    And sure Derek might not be as good a 3B as some other options out there…..but what are those options? He’s gotta play somewhere and they’d be better off with a new SS (if they could get one) and him at 3B than they would with some guy at 3B and Jeter at SS….
    —————-”And we need to keep DH open for our new Cuban Superstar”

    Does Adonis Garica have a brother?

  78. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    69-

    Actually reports are that the Rangers, Mets, and Marlins are all over him.

  79. pkyankfan69 October 9th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Thanks… I just wish my dreaming had more than a 0.000000001% chance of happening.

  80. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Blake-

    Yes. Apollo.

    And a Sister. Aphrodite.

    :)

  81. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    If you want to dream.

    Dream that Hal has decided to sell and sells to mark Cuban.

    Now that’s dreaming.

    ;)

  82. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Or to Jeter and co.

    Or Billy Crystal.

    :)

  83. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    “Dream that Hal has decided to sell and sells to mark Cuban.”

    Hal doesn’t buy Cubans and he doesn’t sell to Cubans

  84. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Blake-

    Only the cheaper variety.

    The Hav-A-Tampas w the little gold rings.

    :(

  85. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I can also dream that my OF was Puig, Trout, and Harper.

    But that wouldn’t be fair even as a dream.

    ;)

  86. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    And that my IF was Tulo, Cano, Abreu, and Machado.

    And that my Catcher was Posey.

    Not asking for much am I ?

    :)

  87. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Dang MTU….you want Kershaw and Jose Fernandez too?

  88. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Blake-

    Of course.

    :)

  89. pkyankfan69 October 9th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Cuban would be awesome…. Definitely more in George Steinbrenner mold than Hal in terms of caring most about winning (how much more money can the guy possible need?)… The big knock on Cuban were his sideline antics but he’s learned since being a new owner to stay a bit more in the shadows for the good of the team.

  90. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    69-

    Cuban is not in baseball good ole’ boys club.

    Literally and figuratively too much of a Maverick.

    ;)

  91. pkyankfan69 October 9th, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    I wonder if $50 Mill + Phelps would buy us Jose Fernandez?

    Loria is all about the $$$

  92. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Having a guy w a passion for winning and a checkbook to match would be like manna from heaven.

    Yes. Just a dream.

  93. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I’m surprised the residents of Miami didn’t go after that dude w machetes and pitchforks for the way he screwed them.

    A peasant revolt.

    ;)

  94. randy l. October 9th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    blake-

    interesting you mention mark cuban. he’s kind of a techie billionaire right. i don’t now what he actually did to make his billion or so, but he seems to have made it in a tech field. why are there so few high tech billionaires in baseball. historically baseball seems to get dumpster tycoons, real estate tycoons, lawyer conglomerates,pizza tycoons, etc.

    old fashioned billionaires seem attracted to baseball. where are the google, apple, Facebook, twitter,amazon, etc billionaires?

    it’d be kind of nice to have a bit more intelligence in the owner ranks. hal himself is from a dinosaur business that ceases to exist. are the rays where they are owned by a financial billionaire more with it? is he even a billionaire or being a investment banker knew how to do things with other people’s money.

    my point is really that it’d be nice to get a yankee owner who had wealth form a business that was a “smart business” instead of a “dinosaur ” or “dumb” business.

  95. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Sure Randy.

    But it would be even nicer to have an owner who knows it takes money to make money.

    And doesn’t dance to someone else’s tune on the money front.

    Parity is for Utopias and saps. Because they don’t exist. I mean the Utopias of course.

    ;)

  96. blake October 9th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    “why are there so few high tech billionaires in baseball. ”

    Because Bud Selig controls who can and can’t buy a team….Cuban has tried several times and wasn’t allowed and has basically said he was done with baseball until it got new leadership.

    Cuban would almost certainly try to get payroll down to 189 as well…..he’s a businessman but he’s a very smart guy and he would likely figure out a way to do it so that it would work

  97. 4TrainNorth October 9th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Jeter is absolute toast at short. Stop kidding yourself, Jete, and step aside. Still luv u lots, bro, but it’s time…

  98. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Blake-

    I disagree on Cuban.

    I don’t think he’d give a sh*t.

    He’d insist on winning and if that’s what it took he’d do it.

    ;)

  99. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    “ust responding to the notion that they could do a 10 year deal to lower the AAV…..just don’t think Cano would prefer that unless it’s more total money”

    blake-

    It would be more money. Lets say the bidding on Cano was around $200M/8yrs. If you thought Cano was worth $30M/year over 8 years but didn’t want to go that high on an AAV basis, you offer 240/10 while thinking Cano might only be worth it over the first 8 years, or whatever, and get the lower AAV and a present value discount as well.

  100. pkyankfan69 October 9th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Cuban consistently has paid the NBA’s luxury tax up until a few years ago… The main reason he is under the tax now is to create cap room to sign max players (like any well run but down NBA franchise would do)… Tough to compare NBA to MLB though because the NBA actually has a salary cap but Cuban has shown that he is willing to spend over the luxury tax threshold.

  101. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    By the way, Has anyone seen JAP lately ?

    I haven’t seen him around.

    I hope he is OK ?

  102. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    “It would be more money. Lets say the bidding on Cano was around $200M/8yrs. If you thought Cano was worth $30M/year over 8 years but didn’t want to go that high on an AAV basis, you offer 240/10 while thinking Cano might only be worth it over the first 8 years, or whatever, and get the lower AAV and a present value discount as well.”

    the examples i’ve seen mentioned are like 10/190……my point was the he wouldn’t do that…..

  103. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    I think Cuban would pay the tax initially yea….but I think his goal would be to become efficient enough to win with a better payroll. That’s Hal’s mission as well…..I just think Cuban would be better at reaching the goal because that’s what he’s done his whole life……figure out ways to be successful. What’s Hal done besides inherit a baseball team?

  104. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    I saw JAP a couple of days ago

  105. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    blake-

    I don’t think he’d do 10/190 either. But I believe he’ll get more than $190M before it is over. The bidding hasn’t even really started yet.

  106. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Blake-

    He does own some hotels.

    And yes. I see your point on Cuban.

    I’m just saying that he wouldn’t let money stop him IMO.

  107. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    MTU October 9th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
    I can also dream that my OF was Puig, Trout, and Harper.

    But that wouldn’t be fair even as a dream.

    —————————————————-
    that my friend would be a moist dream

  108. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    “He does own some hotels.”

    where did he get the money to buy them?

  109. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    WYH-

    I would think any respectable agent would be able to deliver to Cano one heck of a payday.

    ;)

  110. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Puig: could have had
    Trout: almost had
    Harper: never had a shot.

    alas we got none.

  111. mick October 9th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Maybe Cuban would get some ……..Cubans.

  112. Barry October 9th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Cervelli’s public statement show it is still possible to be a gentleman =– contrary to Arod’s performance.

  113. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Blake-

    You took me seriously.

    Should have included a smiley.

    The Donald started off w wealth too. But he really multiplied it.

    ;)

  114. pat October 9th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    “……the orioles put Machado there after literally never playing there ever and he was immediately great. Arod did it ….tons of players have done it.”

    In their 20′s not at 40 and not coming off multiple injuries. I think even if Derek’s spirit is willing, the body just may not cooperate.

  115. JT October 9th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    How about a reasonably priced Mark Reynolds and 35 HRs at 3B?

  116. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    JT-

    That wouldn’t surprise me.

  117. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    “In their 20?s not at 40 and not coming off multiple injuries. I think even if Derek’s spirit is willing, the body just may not cooperate”

    it’s easier to play 3B than it is to play SS…..that’s the whole point in making the move. Even learning a new position it’s going to be easier on his legs playing there than SS…..

  118. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    “How about a reasonably priced Mark Reynolds and 35 HRs at 3B?”

    I’d look into bringing him back for a bench role but he’s a pretty poor defender at 3B…..I’d rather have him to play 1B for when Tex gets hurt

  119. Tar October 9th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    “In their 20?s not at 40 and not coming off multiple injuries. I think even if Derek’s spirit is willing, the body just may not cooperate.”

    I would think 3B would be less demanding on ones body than SS.

    For me anyway, I would think the main issue or question is does he have the arm to play 3B.

    I would answer yes

  120. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    Cervelli arbitration eligible ..I hope they aren’t even thinking about it

  121. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I am sure all options w respect to Jeter will be explored.

    We’ll just have to wait and see.

  122. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
    “How about a reasonably priced Mark Reynolds and 35 HRs at 3B?”

    I’d look into bringing him back for a bench role but he’s a pretty poor defender at 3B…..I’d rather have him to play 1B for when Tex gets hurt

    ————————————–
    the guy K’s more than CG

  123. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Joeman-

    I suspect they are.

  124. Wave Your Hat October 9th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I don’t want Mark Reynolds at all. I think his overall line this year – .220 .306 .393 .699, with 21 HRs, is likely the best you can hope for and his trend is alarming. Plus the Yanks need some on base guys and Reynolds is definitely not one of those.

    Don’t be tempted. Let him go.

  125. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    JT October 9th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    How about a reasonably priced Mark Reynolds and 35 HRs at 3B?

    —————————-
    guy K’s once every 2.1 AB’s

  126. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    The Yankees should try to get back to the formula that made them so successful.

    There is absolutely no need to try to re-invent the wheel.

    They know what works. It has worked for about 100 yrs.

    They had it going as recently as 1998.

    ;)

  127. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    “For me anyway, I would think the main issue or question is does he have the arm to play 3B.”

    deep SS is a longer throw than almost every throw a 3B makes…..you need more arm strength to play SS than 3B really. He has plenty to play 3rd.

  128. blake October 9th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Reynolds would be ok as a bench guy…..if he’s a starter then that’s a sign it’s a bad team.

  129. MTU October 9th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    New one ——–>

  130. joeman October 9th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Reynolds lifetime BA is .233..he has 479 more K’s than hits

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