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Girardi’s next set of decisions

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Joe Girardi

After I wrote the previous blog post, I remembered that Joe Girardi had actually addressed some of those issues before the final game of the regular season. No real definitive answers — hard to have those when the roster isn’t remotely finalized — but a few words from the newly re-signed manager about some of the decisions he’ll have to make next season.

On next year’s expectations for Derek Jeter
“I expect him to play and I think he’ll do everything in his power to get back to the form he was in 2012. He’s got an offseason that he has a lot of strength that he wants to gain back in his legs and have a normal offseason. It should be good for him. … I think when you speak about Derek’s future, a lot of it depends on him and how he’s moving. I think it’s only fair to give him that opportunity to get back to that form that he had in 2012, and then you discuss it.”

On who could fill the openings in next year’s rotation
“I have no idea. You look at CC and Nova right now, and then you’re really not sure who’s going to be here after that. You have Phelps, Warren, Huff, Pineda, Nuno. But I think there’s work to be done. … (PIneda) could be real important. He’s a kid that had some decent success in Seattle as a young pitcher. We feel that he’s healthy now, that he’s coming to spring training healthy and that he should be ready to go. He’s going to have a pretty good opportunity.”

On whether Dave Robertson will takeover the ninth inning
“I think he’s a guy that has the ability to do that. Right now, that’s our best candidate. … (Whoever gets the job), just be yourself, that’s all you can do. You can’t be Mo. You got to understand that there’s probably going to be at times some unfair comparisons, but that’s just part of it. Tino had to go through it with Don Mattingly. If you end up doing your job, the situation will take care of itself. You’ll win them over.”

On the need for more offense from the catcher position
“I think we need more offense overall. Sometimes you can look at one position and say you need more offense, but a lot of times it can be if the other positions had given you the offense you expected, you might not think about it as much. … The ideal is to have the best of both worlds; a defensive catcher that offensively really contributes. Sometimes that doesn’t happen. Sometimes you can’t measure how many RBIs a catcher gives you behind home plate, in a sense; how many runs they can save you. That’s not a statistic that’s necessarily up on the board every time you come to hit. It’s an important position. The pitchers need to feel comfortable with who they’re throwing to an feel that they can do anything. That’s important.”

One thing I mentioned earlier that Girardi didn’t directly address late in the year is the role — and how long of a leash — for the Yankees veteran outfielders, Vernon Wells and Ichiro Suzuki in particular. But here’s an interesting comment and story from Brian Cashman’s end-of-the-season press conference:

“It’s my job to always find better than what we already have,” Cashman said. “I remember — turn the clock back — meeting with Melky Cabrera saying, ‘Hey man, I’ve got a guy named Brett Gardner, and he’s coming fast. Don’t let him take your job.’ (There) are many examples of, hey, it’s our responsibility to always look for better than what we have at those positions as a team. Then you hope it stays healthy and plays up to your expectations. Unfortunately, this year we had a lot of all of it; which is players that we expected to perform better and they didn’t, or they went backwards with their performance, or maybe we misevaluated that effort on their performance, or the injuries. It’s my responsibility in all aspects of it.”

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159 Responses to “Girardi’s next set of decisions”

  1. Warning Track Power October 10th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    1 day later and I am still thrilled Girardi has returned for another 4 years.

  2. luis October 10th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    A defensive catcher that also contributes offensively?? Way to go Joe… We have had an offensive powerhouse behind the plate since the days of Dickey… Sanchez. You better be a good defensive catcher or you will end up in the trading block… Heckn I think you are already gone if you dare to be offensively proficient

  3. mick October 10th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    luis that’s extreme.

  4. luis October 10th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    WTP,

    Joe trying to sell that runs saved behind the plate are more important than actually runs batted in… If that’s the direction the team is headed, we are in trouble

  5. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    So his answer about catchers is basically – I love me some Chris Stewart even if you all can’t figure out why.

  6. mick October 10th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Go for McCann and problem solved.

  7. Doreen October 10th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    “The ideal is to have the best of both worlds; a defensive catcher that offensively really contributes. ”

    Luis I think there is a world of difference between the actual quote and how you restated it.

  8. luis October 10th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Extreme???

    Tell me how many WS championships we have won with a defensive C and compare those against the ones we’ve won with an offensive catcher… I think is something like 22 to 5 in favor of the offensive catcher.

  9. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    I get that catching defense is important – but Stewart’s not that overly impressive behind the plate either – he’s very good, tremendous even, in his work with the pitchers (I know this because they all say so) but in terms of throwing out runners and blocking balls – my guess is that he’s above average but not such a defensive whiz back there that it is enough to make up for the fact that in a career year offensively he .211 with a .293 OBP.

  10. Warning Track Power October 10th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    So David Price is under the impression he will be traded this off-season.
    Interesting. How many players/draft picks would it take to get Price from
    Tampa??
    And would Tampa accept a trade with a team from the AL East???

  11. mick October 10th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    We had offensive catchers when we lost series too.
    Having a catcher that can hit is a luxury not a neccesity.
    Stewart wasn’t supposed to be the regular catcher last year that was set up for Cervelli who was hitting.
    Romine was ahead of Stewart before he got hurt in ST.
    Munsons and Berras and Posda don’t grow on trees.
    Get McCann and problem solved. (if he is a halfway decent defender)

  12. blake October 10th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Here is the thing about McCann…..Id love to sign him but if they do it has to come with also forgetting the budget stuff short term.

    Signing him means giving up your first pick….the highest one they have had in forever. That doesn’t mesh with going young and going cheap.

    If they sign McCann then it means they need to put off 189 for awhile and worry about competing now….

    The Yankees have to decide what they are…..and act appropriately

  13. champ809 October 10th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Chip October 10th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
    If Morales is tendered he would be a fool not to accept it. He might get a 2 year deal somewhere else, but not for a total of the $13.5 he would get by accepting the tender.
    ———————————————————————————————————

    You would think that on face value but he and his agent may be thinking that behind Cano he’s the 2nd best hitter in this FA market. With teams being so starved right now for offense that they may be able to get a 3yr/$30mil deal. 30yr old switch hitting 30hr/100 rbi guy….he’ll definitely get more than 5-7per….last year was an arbitration deal

  14. mick October 10th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    If they sign McCann then Cano , most likely, is gone.

  15. Warning Track Power October 10th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    blake October 10th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
    Here is the thing about McCann…..Id love to sign him but if they do it has to come with also forgetting the budget stuff short term.

    Signing him means giving up your first pick….the highest one they have had in forever. That doesn’t mesh with going young and going cheap.

    If they sign McCann then it means they need to put off 189 for awhile and worry about competing now….

    The Yankees have to decide what they are…..and act appropriately
    ————————————————————————————–
    You make a great point. Some fans here simply shout, sign McCann. But most of them don’t understand by doing so, the team loses a 1st round pick. Which is very, very important.
    The decision is not easy to make.
    Some days I feel like McCann is worth the loss of a 1st round pick and other days I feel the exact opposite.

  16. luis October 10th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Doreen,

    Is the same thing with different words… Basically he has clearly stated that defense comes first and the offensive side is a bonus. For example, I guy like Piazza would have never made the cut. Maybe even a guy like Posada wouldn’t make it

  17. blake October 10th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “You make a great point. Some fans here simply shout, sign McCann. But most of them don’t understand by doing so, the team loses a 1st round pick. Which is very, very important.
    The decision is not easy to make.
    Some days I feel like McCann is worth the loss of a 1st round pick and other days I feel the exact opposite.”

    I think it just entirely depends in Hal…..if they are gonna stick to this budget stuff then they probably shouldn’t sign him and truly rebuild……but if they decide to stop the act and operate like the Yankees again then sure sign him…..they can then make up the loss of the pick in free agency like they used to

  18. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    As to Cashman’s comment –

    Look, there’s no way he could have anticipated losing 5 out of 8 projected starting position players by Memorial Day – you just can’t plan for that sort of thing.

    After Chavez decided he wanted to play in Arizona I didn’t have a problem with him gambling on one year of Youk over three years of Keppinger who, until 2012, had been a back-up throughout his career. It didn’t work because Kevin’s back finally gave out.

    He had to go three deep at short stop because Nunez went down and then four deep there because after Youk got hurt Nix had to move to 3b.

    Mustellier would’ve won a job out of the spring but he got hurt and then had an awful time recovering during the season.

    After Granderson went down, Almonte and Mesa both played well for a bit and then really struggled when they started facing more advanced pitchers later in spring prompting him to go get Wells.

    And then he brought in Overbay as a last minute addition…but the bottom line is that Overbay, Wells, Stewart and Hafner – none of those guys should have played nearly as much as they did. Guys like Adams, Romine and Almonte all needed more time at AAA.

    But I can’t say that it was poor planning because, again, how can you plan to lose that many players that early in the season to catastrophic injuries?

  19. mick October 10th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    So basically Girardi is the GM and owner.
    What he says goes with no other input?
    If McCann is interested, he may not be, I’m sure Joe would be ecstatic to have him.
    A lefty at this stadium, he should be interested, unless some team wants him more.

  20. blake October 10th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    “Is the same thing with different words… Basically he has clearly stated that defense comes first and the offensive side is a bonus. For example, I guy like Piazza would have never made the cut. Maybe even a guy like Posada wouldn’t make it”

    They don’t have an offensive catcher…..they don’t have anything behind the plate really. If he had somebody that could defend and hit both then I’m sure he’d play them…..but the problem is they don’t

  21. austinmac October 10th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Luis,

    I read the posts last night, and as a fellow attorney, let me express my admiration for you personally and as a blog member. If I can help in any way, I shall be happy to do so.

    I agree. More Stewart seems likely.

  22. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    I think the budget stuff is primarily going to come down to what happens with Alex. If he’s suspended, the Yankees have the money to spend. If he’s not and if they re-sign Cano to a massive deal then things are going to get tighter.

    Hal made a great point in an interview with Joel Sherman when Sherman posed the “What would George do” question about the budget to Hal. He said that he’s not so sure his father would just keep spending. He says that the team has to pay annually $75 million-$100 million in revenue sharing, $20 million-plus in luxury tax and about $75 million in debt service on the Stadium while supporting some $230 million payrolls and having secondary ticket services cutting into the team’s bottom line.

    Essentially, when you look at it that way – take the payroll out of it and just look at the other expenses – the team is supporting paying the cost of two major league teams and the Houston Astros before even getting to their own payroll.

  23. luis October 10th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Blake,

    I am sure that either Romine or Murphy could match Stew’s offensive output and probably be reasonably efficient behind the plate… Again, I think defensive prowes is being blown out of proportion here… Not to mention that it is a departure from the Yankee formula of success… I know they don’t have a Posada or Berra now… But that doesn’t mean that shouldn’t have one.

  24. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    austinmac October 10th, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Luis,

    I read the posts last night, and as a fellow attorney, let me express my admiration for you personally and as a blog member. If I can help in any way, I shall be happy to do so.

    I agree. More Stewart seems likely.
    —————-

    In fairness to Girardi’s man crushes on Stewart and Nix: Romine looked lost when he got here and it is true that he had to learn the pitchers a bit more…now, my response to that would be that they should have let Romine catch some of the major leaguers in spring training rather than having him back up Bobby Wilson in the B games. And David Adams also struggled adjusting to major league pitching because he hadn’t played above AA until last year – and the response there is that he should have been at AAA for the second half of 2012 rather than a guy like Jack Cust or Fukudome.

  25. blake October 10th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    “I am sure that either Romine or Murphy could match Stew’s offensive output and probably be reasonably efficient behind the plate”

    Romine was hurt a lot of the season and didn’t really hit much when he did play…..Murphy barely had any time above AA and didn’t know the pitching staff at all.

    Maybe they’ll get more of a chance next year ( if they don’t get a real catcher)…..but I don’t blame Joe that much for 2013…..he didn’t have anybody good to play

  26. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    luis October 10th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    Blake,

    I am sure that either Romine or Murphy could match Stew’s offensive output and probably be reasonably efficient behind the plate… Again, I think defensive prowes is being blown out of proportion here… Not to mention that it is a departure from the Yankee formula of success… I know they don’t have a Posada or Berra now… But that doesn’t mean that shouldn’t have one.
    ———————

    We discussed this a lot during the year – managers who were defense first catchers tend to favor catchers who are defense first catchers. Mike Scoscia did it when it came to Mike Napoli in LA and Girardi has done it in NY; phasing Jorge to DH in favor of Russ Martin and I’m sure he had some input as to Montero’s future as a catcher in New York as well.

  27. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Blake,

    I agree with you but to a point. When the club entered spring training the catchers were Stewart, Cervelli, Romine and Bobby Wilson with Murphy behind them. Girardi gave Bobby Wilson more reps with the major league pitchers than he did Romine. Those games should have been a time where Austin could have gained some familiarity with the pitchers on staff. Cervelli was coming off a very disappointing year and Stewart was/is a career back-up. A little thought dictates that you might need Romine at some point during the season so getting him work with your pitching staff is probably something that you would want to do.

  28. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    and, just to throw it out there – if the Yankees had traded for Miguel Montero during the season, would Girardi have glued him to the bench like he did Austin Romine saying that he wanted Montero to learn the pitchers more?

  29. chicken little October 10th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    i can accept the argument that catcher is a position where defense (and pitch calling/pitcher babying) is more important than offense. however, having a defensive minded catcher who does not hit much offensively (and lets face it, none of the catchers the yankees have on the roster hit much offensively — though murphy may end up being a good offensive catcher) only works if the rest of the lineup is very good. its sort of like in the old days where the slick fielding shortstop batted ninth but you got away with it if the rest of the hitters were very good (sort of like what detroit seems intent on doing with iglesias, though he seems to be able to hit a bit).
    therefore, to me, if the yankees want to keep running the guys they have out there (none of whom so far have shown themselves to be a great defensive catcher) they better fix all the other lineup holes. and they better not blow signing mccann or a.j. (who are both solid hitters and solid defenders) while claiming they have other holes to fill first and then lose out on filling those holes and finding a competent hitting catcher.

  30. Wave Your Hat October 10th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Pitching was the strength of the club this year. Girardi might have had a point preferring catchers the pitchers were comfortable with. It wasn’t like he was keeping a Johnny Bench out of the lineup by doing so.

  31. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Chip,

    If Romine had actually hit when he played he might have gotten more time……but he hit .207 with a .295 OBP and an even worst than Stewie OPS+ of 51. He’s a back up too….so again it’s not like they had Buster Posey sittin over there

    Cervelli had basically become the primary catcher before he got hurt

  32. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Chip says:
    October 10, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    and, just to throw it out there – if the Yankees had traded for Miguel Montero during the season, would Girardi have glued him to the bench like he did Austin Romine saying that he wanted Montero to learn the pitchers more?

    Of course not….he’s a real catcher

  33. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    I know how much you’ve missed my trade proposals so here’s one:

    Yankees get:
    Heath Bell ($9 mil in 2014)
    Miguel Montero ($50 mi between 2014 – 2017)
    Chris Owings (SS Prospect)

    Arizona gets:
    Ichiro
    Romine
    Heathcott
    Phelps

  34. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    I don’t think Arizona would do that even to get that much salary relief…..Montero had a pretty bad year too….though I would like Owings

  35. Chip October 10th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    Chip,

    If Romine had actually hit when he played he might have gotten more time……but he hit .207 with a .295 OBP and an even worst than Stewie OPS+ of 51. He’s a back up too….so again it’s not like they had Buster Posey sittin over there

    Cervelli had basically become the primary catcher before he got hurt
    ———————–

    Blake,

    It’s hard for a guy like Romine (or really any player) to go from starting at every level to sitting 5 days and then being productive when he’s thrown into the lineup.

    There was an article about it where Stewart and Romine were interviewed and Stewart said he was a bit fatigued because he wasn’t used to playing so much and Romine was having a hard time adjusting since he was used to playing every day. At which point you just scratch your head and realize that Joe’s decision was actually hurting BOTH players.

  36. champ809 October 10th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    I think the Yanks have seen enough of Romine and Murphy and obviosly know what they have in Velli that Stewart will not be re-signed. They’ll save the cuople mil that he made last year in an effort to get under the $189mil which I believe, like it or not, is more than just a maybe goal.

    I think that Hal is deadset on lowering the payroll for a minimum of the 2014 season.

    I am looking forward to seeing the kids get legit playing time as I think that we’re going to be forced to play our talent over the next 2 seasons.

    Guys like Slade, Mason, Sanchez, Banuelos and JRam will most likely make their debuts and break in over the next 2 seasons

  37. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    “At which point you just scratch your head and realize that Joe’s decision was actually hurting BOTH players.”

    Maybe….but I think any impact it had on the season was minimal because neither of them are any good

  38. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: with a year left before free agency, #tigers could trade Max Scherzer this winter @DannyKnoblerCBS http://t.co/Pm3tjrH9gU

    Trade a player you can’t sign? A novel concept

  39. champ809 October 10th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Romine hit just .132/145/.176 in his first 50 at bats playing sparingly, but he hit .284/.355/.418 in his next 80 or so at bats after he settled in. That is more reflective of the type of hitter he can be in an everday catcher scenario imo. I see him as a ,270-280ish/10-15hr type hitter

  40. randy l. October 10th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “Sometimes you can’t measure how many RBIs a catcher gives you behind home plate, in a sense; how many runs they can save you. That’s not a statistic that’s necessarily up on the board every time you come to hit.”

    girardi is an excellent manager, but lets face it, he’s not going to develop a guy like posada on his watch.

    giradi won’t even give a offensive catcher a chance to improve defensively because he won’t play him. the one thing that bothers me is that girardi is supposed to be a modern guy who is open to WAR and advanced metrics, yet he’s not very clear how many runs defensive catcher saves you.
    he’s saying it’s a statistic that’s not necessarily up on the board.
    now what the hell is that supposed to mean.
    i think it means girardi is saying he can’t quantify it, but he thinks it’s true anyway.
    well that’s where all us traditional yankee fans who have followed the yankees longer than girardi has been in baseball knows the yankees are at their best when they have an offensive catcher like dickey, berra, howard, munson, and posada.

    i think the catcher position under joe is always going to be defense first and offense second. that means going against yankee tradition. i’d feel better if he’d at least quantify it with some metrics. as it is it looks like it’s just his preference .

  41. fantasygame101 October 10th, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    If they do not plan to an extreme overhaul in the minor player development department, then trade everyone and loss all draft picks. Player development – development = player.

  42. Doreen October 10th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Luis, I saw a difference in the two statements.

    You’d ideally like to have a catcher that is string both defensively and offensively.

    Girardi and the Yankees are not alone in valuing catcher’s defensive contributions. All you have to do Is listen to the broadcasts.

    Jose Molina is not in Tampa for his bat.

    The problem is Stewart soecificallymp, bit e was never meant to be getting the lions share of games.

  43. Wave Your Hat October 10th, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    “Romine hit just .132/145/.176 in his first 50 at bats playing sparingly, but he hit .284/.355/.418 in his next 80 or so at bats after he settled in.”

    During that streak he hit around .400 on balls in play. I don’t think that’s representative. I would give Romine a chance to play next year, but a .773 OPS guy he is not.

  44. Wave Your Hat October 10th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “well that’s where all us traditional yankee fans who have followed the yankees longer than girardi has been in baseball knows the yankees are at their best when they have an offensive catcher like dickey, berra, howard, munson, and posada.”

    Randy, if Girardi had a catcher right now that could even carry those guys cleats I’m sure he would play him.

  45. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “hat is more reflective of the type of hitter he can be in an everday catcher scenario imo. I see him as a ,270-280ish/10-15hr type hitter”

    That’s really really optimistic from what I’ve seen of his swing and bat speed…..that’s an all star level
    Catcher…..I don’t even see him as a regular

  46. mick October 10th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    where are all these offensive catchers coming from?
    if girardi and others don’t make an offer to mccann then your theories might hold water.

  47. Doreen October 10th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Sorry for the typos. Stewart specifically was the problem, but he was not meant to have the lion’s share of catching duties.

    Romine took a long while to assert his value.

  48. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Id rather Romine play than Stewie because I do think he had more upside than him….but that’s not saying a lot….Id rather them get an actual starting catcher

  49. austinmac October 10th, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Doreen,

    Suddenly, you typed like me.

  50. mick October 10th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    blake-
    Is McCann considered a good defensive catcher?

  51. luis October 10th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Mac,

    I am heading in to a meeting…But thank you, i know i can count on you my friend…If need be, I won´t hesitate to contact you..As for the lawyer comments, I am sorry about what I said… I was a little angry when someone said that I wasn´t creative enough… FTR, I know now that it wasn´t meant to be as an insult, but I took it that way and reacted in kind… I do have a great deal of respect topward lawyers in general… >Although they do tend to complicate things ;)

    Doreen, Chip and Blake,

    I don´t have time right now so I will answer you later, please excuse the belated response in advance… Take care all

  52. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    mick says:
    October 10, 2013 at 4:31 pm
    blake-
    Is McCann considered a good defensive catcher?

    Id say averageish but when combined with his offense he’s one of the best in baseball

  53. blake October 10th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Take care Luis….we can talk baseball anytime

  54. champ809 October 10th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Over 7 minor league seasons Austin Romine’s vaerage stat line was .280/.334/.415/.748ops

    that is a starting C in the majors look at the starting C’s left in the post season….Yadier is in a league by himself but the rest? Salty has some pop but he sucks defensively. AJ Ellis, Alex Avila…there are very few good two way players at that position in the sport

    In fact yadier Molina his first 7 seasons in the majors averaged .260ish/7hrs and never slugged higher than .390. By most of the comments here he wasn’t a major league starting C until 3yrs ago at age 28. We all know that wasn’t the case.

    Austin Romine is most definitely an everyday C in the majors as he has the D to carry him and profiles as at least an above league average hitter at the postion. He’ll never be confused with Posey or Mauer but he’s not Bobby Wilson either. He’s also not an all bat C who’s a liability behind the plate like a Salty or Pyrzinski.

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