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A-Rod hearing resumes in New York

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Alex Rodriguez

Time for Round 2.

Alex Rodriguez’s appeal hearing resumes today in Manhattan. Rodriguez spent the first week of October appealing his 211-game Biogenesis suspension, and now the arguments will pick up where they left off in front of arbitrator Fredric Horowitz.

And if calling this Round 2 seems brings to mind images of a boxing match, it just might be appropriate. The Daily News investigative team has reported that during the first week of the hearing, a physical fight nearly erupted between Rodriguez’s lawyer Joe Tacopina and one of Anthony Bosch’s lawyers, Julio Ayala.

Apparently not all the drama is happening in the streets!

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297 Responses to “A-Rod hearing resumes in New York”

  1. Tackelberry October 16th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    This could drag on for a couple more weeks and might not be a decision before Christmas

  2. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    I hope they cut his time to 162 games…this way a whole year will go bye without hearing any Arod stories….

  3. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    “The lack of offense for tigers and Dodgers has more to do with health, but what’s up with Fielder?”

    could just be a prolonged funk or a bad year….there have been some rumors he’s had some personal life issues this year I think…….or he could just be starting an early decline because he’s overweight. He had a decent year this year but for what Detroit is paying him I think they’d like more than and .819 OPS and bad 1B defense.

  4. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    so tired of this mess……make a ruling please for the love of humanity

  5. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Detroit has a window here to win a title if they don’t do it this year. They really need to go for it while Miggy is still in his prime…..while Verlander is still in his prime…..while they still have Scherzer…..and before Prince declines (if he hasn’t already).

    Signing Cano could put them over the top with their rotation…….sure they’ll probably fall apart in 2 or 3 years but getting him and some bullpen help could make them tough for the near future anyway.

    Same with LA……although LA is set up to be good a lot longer because their stars are younger.

  6. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “so tired of this mess……make a ruling please for the love of humanity”

    Good morning Blake. Please center the talk around baseball and not politics/Congress!

    :)

  7. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    I’m sorry but the arbitrator screwed the pooch on this one. He should have given each side two days of presentation and then on day five let each side have two hours for rebuttal.

    This is the damn O.J. trial with three weeks of DNA evidence. Get on with it! Should have been able to finish this by the end of October. Now Thanksgiving almost seems optimistic.

    I would assume the Yanks strategy until this verdict some in is to make moves based on $ 189 M WITH Alex on the squad and then spend whatever money is freed up by the finalization of some sort of suspension.

  8. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    “Good morning Blake. Please center the talk around baseball and not politics/Congress!

    lol yes I guess that statement could apply to many things today

  9. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    86-

    If ARod doesn’t agree with the decision, where does his legal team go for an appeal, or is the arbitration decision final? Asking because an appeal could drag on months.

  10. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    the length of Arod’s suspension is such a big deal to the Yankees plans for next year if they do mean to get under 189…..not only will it affect his actual salary…..they will have to guess if he will play enough to reach that homer bonus of 6 million bucks.

    That may not seem like a big deal but consider that if they had to save room for that then it may prevent them from signing a Peralta or a Drew or taking a flyer on a Josh Johnson or giving somebody that extra 1 or 2 million to get them.

    Arod getting suspended for the full season really would save them like 33 million bucks for next year in AAV when you add everything together……which is a big big deal

  11. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    The problem with the Tigers pursuing Cano is that they are already aruond $ 110 M for next year and are facing some very significant arbitration raises — Scherzer, Austin Jackson, Avila and Fister — plus FA Porcello (gone?) Benoit, Infante and others.

    They are right at $ 150 M this year and cannot get under that number even without Cano unless they let a lot of guys go.

  12. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    “They are right at $ 150 M this year and cannot get under that number even without Cano unless they let a lot of guys go.”

    right……but their owner is really old and really rich and he could just say screw it….get him

  13. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    If both Kuroda and Granderson accept QO’s, along with settling their arbitration cases, I can’t see how they can fit Cano in, and stay under the $189 million lottery text threshold, and field a competitive team for 2014. It’s a shame that while the Yankees wait on an ARod final decision, all good free agents, might have already signed elsewhere.

    Many teams can sign Cano. Correct me if I’m wrong but under the new collective bargaining agreement if they go over the $189 million threshold for the first time next year the tax is only 17.5%

  14. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    He might, but I doubt it. Signing Cano and keeping the key FA and paying arbitration raises would easily send Detroit up over $ 180 M.

    I am almost certain that Alex’s performance bonuses are NOT part of the luxury tax.

    MLB and the MLBA stepped in last April and banned such clauses from future contracts BUT they grandfathered in Alex, Pujols and Ryan Zimmerman.

  15. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    “He might, but I doubt it. Signing Cano and keeping the key FA and paying arbitration raises would easily send Detroit up over $ 180 M.”

    they’d still likely be under the luxury tax though…..and with the amount of revenue….the TV money…..and their playoff money they could easily afford to go up to that number I think if they wanted……..I think in the coming years a lot of teams will raise payroll up close to the limit……they can have a higher payroll without being taxed than they used to.

  16. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    YT —

    The Yanks have well over $ 100 M in salary coming off the books and can spend about $ 60 M of it if Jeter comes back. If Kuroda and Granderson accept QOs they could still sign Cano, but every other hole would have to be filled at near minimum wage.

    Of course if Alex is suspended for all of 2014 they would have about $ 25 M more to work with if they so desire.

  17. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    86-

    I believe Alex’s $6M will count towards the LT. I think that was addressed in Joel Sherman’s New York Post article couple weeks ago.

  18. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    “I am almost certain that Alex’s performance bonuses are NOT part of the luxury tax.”

    I’m almost positive they are……

  19. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Alex needs 6 more homers to trigger the bonus…….so if Arod gets suspended for lets say 100 games. That’ll give him 62 games to get those 6 homers……so the Yanks are gonna have to save 6 million bucks space in their budget for that……which really sucks.

  20. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    I think in the coming years a lot of teams will raise payroll up close to the limit……they can have a higher payroll without being taxed than they used to.

    ***********************************************************************

    I don’t.

    I think most owners will pocket most additional revenue and only 4-6 teams will be pay more than $ 150 M.

  21. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    On the milestone/tax issue, this Jason Stark article supports my position:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....ne-bonuses

  22. Duh Innings II October 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    The Tigers are not overpaying for Cano when they could just re-sign Omar Infante who hit .318 for them this season and the team has made it to their second straight ALCS with, moreover their fifth/next big contract after Fielder, Verlander, Cabrera, and Sanchez has to be Scherzer. If they sign Cano, great offense, but they better win it all in 2014 because no way will they be able to afford to keep Scherzer after 2014 or Austin Jackson after 2015 if they give Cano $150-200M and guess what? The Yanks could just sign Omar Infante and Brian McCann and most likely have better production from those two in 2014 than from 2013 Cano-Stewart ,and who says Infante couldn’t outhit Cano in the postseason including a Yankees-Tigers ALCS? The Yanks could even go after age 28 Austin Jackson after 2015. He’d be only 29 going into 2016 – prime age.

    Re: A-Rod. His lawyer is a lowlife wannabe thug. I figure A-Rod won’t be suspended for 211 games, but he will be suspended for 162 games i.e. all of 2014 which would be great cuz that would be $25M off the books the Yanks could hypothetically spend on McCann and Infante or use as a third giant coupon to re-sign Cano after $12M cleared no longer paying Youkilis, $8.5M cleared no longer paying Burnett, and $7.5M saved from Jeter’s paycut (Cano costs the Yanks X – $53M – just move Jeter to 3B and re-sign Ryan for SS if Jeter isn’t the DH.)

  23. Yankee Trader October 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Thanks 86.

    Everyone have a great day. Have to go.

  24. Duh Innings II October 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Btw what does having a powerful offense mean anymore?

    See the Yankees since 2001: one World Series title and one pennant.

    See the 2014 ALCS Detroit Tigers: 1-0 loss to JOHN LACKEY? The guy who everyone including myself (admittedly) mocked the Red Sox for signing?

    “Good pitching stops good hitting” and if the Tigers sign Cano they won’t have the money to sign Scherzer and what’s harder to come by nowadays, an ace (and possible 2014 A.L. Cy Young Award winner) like Scherzer or a star-hitter 2B? Take away the Tigers and Yanks and the A.L. has only one legitimate ace: Felix Hernandez. Take away Cano and there’s still Chase Utley, Daniel Murphy, Be Zobrist, etc. – all excellent hitting 2B.

  25. blake October 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “I think most owners will pocket most additional revenue and only 4-6 teams will be pay more than $ 150 M.”

    I think some will…..I think a lot of the big market teams with go up close to the limit and still make tons of money

  26. Duh Innings II October 16th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Jeter October 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
    I wouldn’t take that eggplant Austin Jackson on the Yankees if he paid the Yankees to take him.

    You racist fu ck. MODS PLEASE BAN THIS RACIST!

    He called Austin Jackson, an African American (black) man, an eggplant. Eggplants are black/dark purple in color.

  27. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Once Jeter doesn’t retire the Yanks will be around $ 100 M for 2014, which leaves $ 70 M to spend and still getting under the luxury tax cuz you have to factor in the entire 40-man roster and about $ 12 M for player benefits.

    Problem is that only pays for seven players — CC, A-Rod, Jeter, Tex, Wells, Soriano and Jeter.

  28. Jerkface October 16th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Clauses like A-rod’s HR clause are banned because they attempt to circumvent the luxury tax by deferring money to individual seasons. Bonuses based on stats other than games played/amounts played are not allowed but the loophole was making it a marketing bonus.

    The bonuses still count for the year they are earned. MLB did not like that they did not affect the AAV of the deal.

  29. blake October 16th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

    page 106 of the CBA section 4 (a) states that any bonuses earned count towards the players salary in the contract year.

    It does say that “potential bonuses” dont count in the AAV for that year…..only ones already earned…..and because the luxury tax is calculated at the end of the season not the beginning I still believe Arod’s homer bonus will count if he hits the 6 homers during the 2014 season.

  30. Jerkface October 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    A-rod’s home runs will count for 6 million if he earns them. The beef by MLB was that the money was not guaranteed despite being basically guaranteed by simply playing.

    It’d be like if you paid Cano an average salary of 15 million a year but then gave him bonuses each year for getting like 100 PA or something. It’d be a clear attempt to circumvent the luxury tax.

  31. 86w183 October 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Now I understand the difference

    Thanx Jerkface

    Let’s hope he earns that money….. in 2015

    Gotta run… later guys

    Have a Day

  32. blake October 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    “It’d be like if you paid Cano an average salary of 15 million a year but then gave him bonuses each year for getting like 100 PA or something. It’d be a clear attempt to circumvent the luxury tax.”

    yea if things like that didn’t count then I imagine lots of teams would try to use easily attainable bonuses (like play 1 game) instead of guaranteed money in contracts

  33. JobaTipsHisCap October 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    MLB will lose this lawsuit.

    Tigers are done; Cabrera’s final AB is a loud joke. he should be shot right away.
    Sux go all the way to win another title.

    Cano signs $270m/10yrs with Yankees.

  34. JobaTipsHisCap October 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I hope Jeter can retire pretty soon.

  35. bruceb October 16th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    By the time ARod has his day in court, the 2014 season may well have started. Anyone else think that the matter of his suspension could continue into next season and beyond?

    While I’m sure MLB has a strong case against him, I have no confidence that it’s either watertight or not full of loopholes.

  36. blake October 16th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    POLITICO ?@politico 10m
    #Breaking: Reid and McConnell will soon announce an agreement to reopen the government.

  37. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    dark horse for Cano are the Nats

  38. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    blake October 16th, 2013 at 10:55 am
    POLITICO ?@politico 10m
    #Breaking: Reid and McConnell will soon announce an agreement to reopen the government.

    ———————————–
    should do a little some..some for the stock market I would think

  39. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    “dark horse for Cano are the Nats”

    I don’t think they are really a dark horse…..I think they’ll be very interested in him. The Cubs are a team I’d consider a dark horse and I think they’ll be quietly on him.

  40. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:21 am
    “dark horse for Cano are the Nats”

    I don’t think they are really a dark horse…..I think they’ll be very interested in him. The Cubs are a team I’d consider a dark horse and I think they’ll be quietly on him.

    ——————————————
    don’t even know why the Cubs would want him…by the time they are any good Cano will be a old player

  41. Against All Odds October 16th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Cano is going to have some suitors despite some ppl like Francesa thinking the market would only yield a couple of teams.

  42. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “don’t even know why the Cubs would want him…by the time they are any good Cano will be a old player”

    because they have money to spend and a really good farm system…..maybe Theo would want a star like Cano to lead them

  43. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    never be surprised what baseball players end up getting in free agency…..a lot of the time teams end up doing things they say they won’t

  44. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    “don’t even know why the Cubs would want him…by the time they are any good Cano will be a old player”

    because they have money to spend and a really good farm system…..maybe Theo would want a star like Cano to lead them

    ——————————————-
    all the very good young player that they have are position players..and most are not ready yet…their SPers aren’t close to being ready…they have no pitching on their major league roster

  45. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “all the very good young player that they have are position players..and most are not ready yet…their SPers aren’t close to being ready…they have no pitching on their major league roster”

    they aren’t ready to compete yet….but they should be soon and again they have a lot of money to spend. The Cubs bring in a lot of revenue and only have 49 million on the books for 2014……they could sign Cano and not put a dent in the amount they could spend.

  46. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    if Baez is close to being ready maybe the NYY can pry Castro away from them

  47. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    “if Baez is close to being ready maybe the NYY can pry Castro away from them”

    maybe but he wouldn’t come cheap most likely…..Theo could just move him to 3B when Baez is ready.

  48. Hankflorida October 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Even though an injured player’s salary counts towards the cap, the question is does the insurance company pays most of the salary of Youkilis, Jeter, Text and A-Rod when they were out? If that is the case, signing Youk even though he had a bad back was not that much of a gamble. If the Yankees save salary because of injury, why should Hal be so adamant of getting below the cap and saving on the luxury tax?

  49. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    what do they do with Mike Olt

  50. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    “If the Yankees save salary because of injury, why should Hal be so adamant of getting below the cap and saving on the luxury tax?”

    greed

  51. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    and Mike Olt Kris Bryant both play 3rd base

  52. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    “what do they do with Mike Olt”

    well he’s kinda taken a step back….

  53. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Id check in to Castro but they don’t have to trade him…..just like with Texas you can’t have too many good players that can play SS…..really too many that can play infield period.

  54. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Id check in to Castro but they don’t have to trade him…..just like with Texas you can’t have too many good players that can play SS…..really too many that can play infield period.

    ————————————-
    worth a look though

  55. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    the only way they could get themselves a major league ready SS is from a team that is stocked with them and have one that is ready to make the jump to the majors

  56. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    along the lines of SS ..S Drew would be a nice add to this team

  57. blake October 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    “worth a look though”

    of course…..

    would anybody do Nova for Castro straight up? Would the Cubs consider something like that?

    Castro had a really bad year in 2013 but he’s 23 years old and really has offensive talent……his contract is really affordable as well if he blossoms.

    The Cubs have a great SS prospect coming and need pitching……

  58. blake October 16th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    would you rather have Castro and his contract or Andrus and his?

    Castro has a better contract and isn’t as good defensively……but he’s younger, cheaper, and has more potential in his bat IMO

  59. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Nova for Castro…get a yes from me

  60. pkyankfan69 October 16th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Sign Cano: 8 years – $200M (hopefully 7 years but I doubt it)
    Sign Abreu: 6 years – $60M
    Sign Tanaka: 6 years – $60M ($60M posting fee)
    Sign Kuroda: 1 year – $14M
    Sign Reynolds: 1 year – $3M
    Trade Nunez + Ramirez + Heathcott + Austin + something else if needed for Tulo

    CF – Gardy ($5M)
    3B – Jeter ($15M)
    2B – Cano ($25M)
    SS – Tulo ($16M)
    1B – Tex ($22.5M)
    LF – Soriano ($5M)
    DH – Abreu ($10M)
    RF – Ichiro ($6.5M)
    C – Cervelli ($1M)

    Bench – Wells ($0M) – Almonte ($0.5M) – Romine ($0.5M) – Reynolds ($3M) – Nix ($1M)

    Rotation: CC ($24.5M) – Kuroda ($14M) – Nova ($2M) – Tanaka ($10M) – Pineda ($0.5M)

    BP: Drob ($5M) – Kelley ($2M) – Claiborne ($0.5M) – Betances ($0.5M) – Phelps ($0.5M) – Cabral ($0.5M)

    (BP has lots of other minor league options… Warren/Kahnle/etc..)

    If Arod was to get suspended all of next year we could do this and be about $171 M and keep our draft pick.

    That team would make some noise… Let’s go Arbiter!!! 162 game suspension!

  61. joeman October 16th, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    C..Salty
    1b..Tex
    2nd..Cano
    3rd..Peralta
    SS..Castro

    of..Gardner..Sori..Morse (Iricho)

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