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Down to three teams, Cuban 1B Abreu likely to land in Chicago

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Jose AbreuNot sure I’ve mentioned Jose Abreu’s name a single time on this blog, and there’s a good reason for that: There was never much indication that he was likely to sign with the Yankees.

So, why mention him now? Because it’s a name that should be on your radar,* if only so you’re not completely confused in the next month or so when some guy you’ve never heard of gets a huge contract to play Major League Baseball next season.

So, who is he? Abreu is a power-hitting first baseman out of Cuba. He’s 26, he’s defected, and it seems likely that he’ll sign with someone this offseason, maybe even within the next few weeks. Here’s an ESPN.com story full of scouts evaluating how Abreu’s game will translate to the big leagues. Basically, the defense is probably limited to first base, but the offensive power seems undeniable. There are some questions about his ability to hit offspeed pitches and good inside fastballs, but those are pretty typical concerns. As a general rule, most agree that Abreu can hit well enough to provide immediate middle-of-the-order production at the big league level.

So, who’s going to sign him? Well, today MLB.com reported that Abreu has narrowed his possible destinations to the Astros, Red Sox and White Sox. The Astros reportedly believe their offer fell short, and it seems the White Sox have emerged as the favorites to sign him for something approaching $70 million.

So, why not the Yankees? Because, frankly, they have more pressing concerns and more obvious needs. Abreu’s a power hitter — the Yankees need that — but he’s also a first baseman. And unlike with a Japanese posting fee, whatever money goes toward an Abreu contract would count toward the luxury tax. And even if the luxury tax weren’t an issue, the Yankees have significant questions at second base, third base, shortstop, right field, catcher, the rotation and the bullpen. Would a first baseman/designated hitter really make sense at a time like this? Is that where you’d start your offseason if you were Brian Cashman?

By all accounts, Abreu is a legitimate hitter, and he’s a name worth knowing. But it’s hard to imagine he’ll be playing for the Yankees next season.

* One nice thing about the comments section of this blog, I don’t really feel the need to point out every player and every scenario that’s out there. Abreu’s name has been mentioned many, many times on this blog, just not by me.

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112 Responses to “Down to three teams, Cuban 1B Abreu likely to land in Chicago”

  1. Yankees88 October 17th, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    So we can take Abreu out of the equation when we post lineup predictions from now on

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Lester isn’t pitching like Cy Young. Detroit should be able to do something with him.

    David Ross looks like Charles Manson.

    Nolan Ryan resigned as the Rangers’ CEO, using the “spend more time with my family” excuse. Cuz you know, CEO of a baseball organization is such a time-consuming position.

    :roll:

    Sounds more like “taking my ball and going home” wah wah to me.

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    That catch by Iglesias was amazing.

    Good job by Buck trying to get information out of Scherzer that he could hopefully feed to the Sux. Jerk.

  4. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    I never really thought we would sign Abreu.

  5. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Sanchez just doesn’t have it.

    :(

  6. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Sanchez didn’t need to get fancy with Drew. Tigers could end up beating themselves.

  7. yankinvegas October 17th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    I watch the game with the sound muted. At least this way I don’t have my blood pressure gp through the roof hearing those 2 idiots talk about Boston.
    I find it hard to believe that Boston probably will win the WS with players like Victorino, Napoli, Drew, Salty/Ross, Nava/Gomes. And Uehara as the closer. With mediocrities like Peavy and Lackey in the rotation.

  8. Triple Short of a Cycle October 17th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Babe Ruth could be coming out of Cuba and we wouldn’t make a play for him.

    It used to be we were in on everyone. We have turned into the Padres

    I would like to think there is a happy medium but its not looking like it.

    Prediction the Yanks make a 30 million dollar bid on Tanaka to show the fans they are still relevant and “trying”

  9. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Trisha – why the acrimony towards Ryan? Not being a smart alec… Ive seen several posters with the same attitude… I just don’t know why. I know he and Daniels have been like mixing oil and water but I never delved into it enough to take saide.

  10. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    take sides

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Happy that Scherzer will be going next and Verlander after him if it goes that far.

  12. Against All Odds October 17th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    @ MTU yea I never thought they were seriously in on him

  13. pkyankfan69 October 17th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Prediction the Yanks make a 30 million dollar bid on Tanaka to show the fans they are still relevant and “trying”
    ——————–
    Would not be surprising one bit although I find it hard to believe that if they think he is a #2 they would not want him at an AAV of around $10M.

  14. blake October 17th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Cashman may inquire on Bobby Abreu…..or maybe bobby Abreu’s dad

  15. Tar October 17th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    Unless this guy is just an elite hitter, I think the Yankees have more pressing needs.

  16. bigdan22 October 17th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    If the Yanks don’t bid hard, very hard, on Tanaka then I think it will finally be crystal clear that the George era is over and that the commitment to winning championships has been replaced by a commitment to be “competitive.” Perfect test case.

  17. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Ryan is one of the most smug baseball people on the face of the earth. I truly believe he bailed because he couldn’t carry through on all his promises of winning the WS. Good riddance.

  18. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Yanks could still get Tanaka even w a lower bid as long as the new bidding system is in place.

    That allows the Player posted to pick the Team they want from among the top 3 bids.

    At least that is the way I understand it.

  19. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Rough night for Avila.

    Ross must have something against him.

    :)

  20. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Where was THAT pitch?

  21. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    MTU – the unfortunate thing is that it seems the lure of playing for the Yankees is not as great as it used to be

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    The umpire called Cabrera out on a pitch that didn’t hit the strike zone at all and called strike 3 against Ross – a pitch that was right down the pike – a ball.

  23. bigdan22 October 17th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    The new bidding system may seem preferable but what that means is instead of the money going to the Japanese team it will go the player. He’ll be able to negotiate with three teams. That will really drive up his salary and thus the luxury tax impact. Not sure that would be a good thing for the Yanks.

  24. yankinvegas October 17th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    I agree fully on Tanaka. George went hard after Matsui, Contreras, Irabu, El Duque and others. Some hits, some misses.
    We are at a talent lull, everyone says that we will suck in 2014 and for several years thereafter and our biggest rival looks like they are going to win the WS.
    It’s time for Hal to step up to the plate and blast a couple of dingers. If he goes Ichiro on us, it could take years to get back to prominence. C’mon Hal, be Reggie.

  25. pkyankfan69 October 17th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    “So, why not the Yankees? Because, frankly, they have more pressing concerns and more obvious needs. ”

    Because after we fill our other needs there will not be enough money left in our new found budget. Sad that we’re not the Yankees anymore.

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Whatever else they do, the Yankees MUST get their pitching in order. It’s not rocket science to see what happens to teams who do not have strong rotations.

    Great playing by Iglesias.

  27. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Chicken-

    I have no idea how Tanaka might view the Yankees.

    Or what would motivate him.

    We might have Kuroda as an attraction along w Ichiro.

    Or Maybe the Rangers would have an edge w. Yu in their rotation.

    No telling.

    Make no mistake though the Yankees are a worldwide brand.

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    “…everyone says that we will suck in 2014″

    Let the same everyone send along the Powerball numbers.

  29. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    MTU – worldwide brand – agree. It just seems to me that a little bit of the luster has worn off of the Yankee brand… Hope I’m wrong

  30. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Lester can be gotten to. Tigers can’t depend on help from the umps.

  31. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Chicken-

    I kind of doubt that. But who knows.

  32. bigdan22 October 17th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Who was the last player who signed up because of the brand? Irabu? Castro’s dream was playing for the Yanks. Not talking about the shortstop either. This guy was a pretty good pitcher I hear :)

  33. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Most players go where the most green is.

  34. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    In that case everyone wants to go to Tampa… their outfield “grass” alone has at least 5 shades of green… wait a minute, thats not the type of green you’re talking about is it? :)

  35. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Sorry, MTU. Trying to be funny and failing miserably :)

  36. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Lester digging himself a hole.

  37. blake October 17th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    All Tanakas must be able to do this.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B.....h2mxKUSh2s

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Lester can be gotten to.

  39. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Chicken-

    Not a problem.

    This place gets way too serious sometimes.

    ;)

  40. Tar October 17th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    “Who was the last player who signed up because of the brand?”

    Not really the same thing..but have you guys read that great article on Nova and his dreams of playing for the Yankees. If you’re not a fan will you be after reading it.

    Now I have to find it. YF you out there? I know you know which article I’m talking about.

  41. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    mick, you around? If so, show yourself!

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    John Lester can be gotten to.

    What remains is for Detroit to do it.

    ;)

  43. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Trisha – fair enough on Ryan. I was just wondering because I had never considered him a bad guy

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    That was close.

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    But he was out.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Torii doesn’t have to swing for the fences. One run at a time…

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 17th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    So anyway – happy that Scherzer and Verlander will be going next, if they end up needing Verlander. (Meaning if Detroit comes back and takes this game.) :D

    Taking this to the car.

  48. NYY_Girl_Penny October 17th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    OMG – Prince Fielder is swinging at the first pitch every AB and grounding in the exact same spot. I’m not even a Tigers fan and it’s annoying me because I want the redsox to lose !!!

    Anybody else think that this post season is the absolute most boring post season ever ?

  49. MTU October 17th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Have a good evening.

    Hike day tomorrow.

  50. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Goodnoght MTU

  51. Pat M. October 17th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Man I’m getting my butt whacked tonight. Tigers, Canes are taking on water. Not a good sports investment evening thus far

  52. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Tar- I just looked at the score… UNC up 7 at the end of the third? Congrats and Godspeed the rest of the way. Just so you know, if you desire to bet, this game is dramatically driving up the points you’re gonna have to give me when UVA visits Kenan… I’m thinking 143 and 1/2 points ought to be about right :)

  53. Tar October 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    This is the link for that Nova story

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....or-miracle

  54. Tar October 17th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Chicken 1 game ( 1 qtr) at a time :D

  55. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Nice Nova link… good story

  56. blake October 17th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Love Tori Hunter

  57. blake October 17th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Heels

  58. blake October 17th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Miggy fail

  59. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    Blake – although I’m pulling for you, there’s a little over a minute left…don’t count your chickens… and I’m an expert on chickens :)

  60. bigdan22 October 17th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Wow. Miggy turning into a big time choke artist. That strike out the other day was one of the worst post season at bats I’ve ever seen. That cost them the game. Now this.

    We as Yankee fans know better than anyone that just because you are the best hitter in the game doesn’t mean you don’t get tight when the pressure is on. I remember Reggie back in the day. He used to tell himself to “key down.” He lived for those moments.

  61. theREALkevin October 17th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Dan are you serious? It’s obvious that Cabrera’s injuries are really affecting him this postseason

  62. bigdan22 October 17th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Excuse me. Let’s set the stage here. 1-0 post season game. Big hitter up. MVP. Triple Crown winner. Bottom of the 8th. Men on first and third. One out. You strike out three (or was it four pitches) But the kicker here is the last pitch was a foot outside. Now explain to me how a lower body injury affects that. That’s one of the single worst at bats I’ve eve seen. Double play on a weak ground ball tonight late in the game with tying runs on. Sorry. Life ain’t fair. It’s moments like these that define who you are. Sure failure is part of baseball. But skill and talent dictate the at bat. Those at bats were awful. Just awful.

  63. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    Tar and Blake – tough one.

  64. blake October 17th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    Carolina football…..gotta love it :…not really

  65. chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    I’m taking this to the sealy posturpedic… catch everyone later.

  66. blake October 17th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    That splitter is unbelievable

  67. blake October 17th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Why are they giving up 2B? Good grief play double play depth up the middle

  68. JM October 17th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    Ugh

  69. yankinvegas October 17th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Go NL champ!!
    How can anyone root for the Red Sox?
    I see that Boras says we heve to prove ourselves to free agents. What bs. We have 1 off year in 2 decades and all of a sudden we suck.

  70. NYY_Girl_Penny October 17th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    Price Fielder is trying to play like a 2012 Yankee. Wow has he been awful.

  71. Hankflorida October 18th, 2013 at 12:22 am

    To quote from the movie, “My Cousin Vinnie,” “When I was in my Yoot,” the Red Sox were not the Yankees arch enemy as it was the Indians. When it was the Ted Williams Red Sox, that was the last time that I rooted for them in the World Series. I am not giving up on the Tigers yet and hoping that it goes seven with Verlander on the mound.

  72. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    chicken_stanley October 17th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
    why the acrimony towards Ryan?

    The fact that he watches games with “W” is enough for me.

  73. Pat M. October 18th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    Took a bath tonight on sports wagering. Nick in SF, I miss you pal !!! Good night and good morning to Doreen and the breakfast clubbers…

  74. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 2:23 am

    Interested in this guy maybe in the draft:

    http://www.star-telegram.com/2.....ves-0.html

  75. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 2:34 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uEZ78JkKy0

    158 km/h = 98 mph

  76. blake October 18th, 2013 at 7:01 am

    ” You strike out three (or was it four pitches) But the kicker here is the last pitch was a foot outside. Now explain to me how a lower body injury affects that. ”

    Well he can’t use his legs to generate bat speed as well as usual so he’s having to cheat and start earlier……Miggys biggest strength is how long he normally waits to commit to pitches……I’m sure the injury has him unsure of how long he can wait and he’s guessing more ….starting to early and therefore swinging at a lot more bad pitches than normal

  77. jpb173 October 18th, 2013 at 7:06 am

    Its good that the Yankees aren’t involved with Abreu. If the Yanks are going to spend big this off season it should be for a pitcher. I’m all in on Tanaka even though Japanese pitchers in America have had a mixed bag of results. Tanaka’s only 24 years old…give him a shot. Just don’t overwork him the first year till he adjusts to the 5 day workload.

  78. Triple Short of a Cycle October 18th, 2013 at 7:11 am

    Its good that the Yankees aren’t involved with Abreu. If the Yanks are going to spend big this off season it should be for a pitcher. I’m all in on Tanaka even though Japanese pitchers in America have had a mixed bag of results. Tanaka’s only 24 years old…give him a shot. Just don’t overwork him the first year till he adjusts to the 5 day workload.

    ——————————————–

    Here’s a novel idea how about going after both of them?

  79. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Good morning

    Without Cabrera and fielder hitting, the Tigers are toothless. It’s sad because the pitching has been more than good enough for them to,have already won this thing. Particularly The starting pitching. Even last night, the sox scored 4 runs early and were then held down.

    So if Boston goes to the WS, and none of us watch a single inning, has it really taken place? ;)

    Actually, scherzer and Verlander do offer some hope, even if it is at Fenway.

  80. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 7:28 am

    We’re coming off the worst offensive season the Yankees have had in 20+ years (and 3 straight years of offensive decline so it was no fluke) and we pass on a chance to sign a 26 year old who everyone seems to agree is going to be a big time power hitter, with no draft pick compensation, for $11ish M per year. I don’ care if we have Tex, we don’t have a DH. If the old guys are too tired some days they can sit their butts on the bench and get a full day rest.

  81. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Morning all —-

    Since it’s not my money I’m disappointed that Abreu is out of the picture, though I can understand why someone would be reluctant to give $ 11+ M a year for a Cuban defector whom they believe has to DH. If he could play OF or 3B they should have given him the $$$.

  82. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    86w183

    That’s the thing. If he was a complete player, you go for it. The Yankees won’t pay that kind of cash for someone who profiles only as a DH.

    The problem is, you can’t even sign him and put him in AAA to see how he does in the outfield, or to help,him strengthen any outfield skills. Does he have any speed? I mean, as much as the Yankees need a bat, they really need more than a bat.

    As for DH, I think that’s Alex.

  83. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Morning doreen —-

    Knowing that the Yanks have Alex and Tex for 2015-16 investing in a DH long term doesn’t seem like a wise use of resources. I have no ideal if he can play elsewhere.

  84. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I think Boras is accurate about the Yankees having to prove themselves to free agents. They have now been virtually inactive for any good players for three years. As a result, they are half a team with money issues. If players aren’t wondering where this is going, I would be shocked.

    Does anyone think if Tanaka has a choice of teams, he will think the Yankees are more likely to win than the Rangers, Red Sox, Tigers, Dodgers and the like? If so, I would love to hear the reasoning. Those teams have far fewer holes, better farms and seemingly a willingness to spend money to stay good.

  85. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    The Yankees have successfully transitioned the fan base to cheer for not signing good players. Amazing. They will have much to cheer about this winter. Do you know what good players cost?

    Good thing we don’t spend on a bat like Abreu. We must keep the DH open so Wells and Ichiro can get their half day off.

    Think of the money saved. Happiness reigns.

  86. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    Counting on Alex as a DH is 2015 is pretty sad, in my view. How well will he hit when he and his hips and legs are 40? Does anything other than money matter anymore?

  87. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Jeez dude did you wake up with hemorrhoids???

    Unjustified snarky coments directed at either me or Doreen. Now the Alex comment.

    Do you not understand the guy is signed thru 2017? You think the Yanks are just going to give him $ 63 M next year to go away.

    Lighten up Francis

  88. yankinvegas October 18th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Up early today.
    I accept the 189 as the reason for the relative lack of major signings the past couple of years. I think that Hal is sick of paying 50 + million in revenue sharing AND an additional 25-30 million per year in tax. It obviously is a system designed to destroy the Yanks who basically kept their championship caliber team together for many years.
    Also, we were abnormally wedded to great, legacy players at dollars well beyond their worth at the time + throw in the ridiculous ARod deal.
    He’s sick of supporting other teams.
    All well and good and understandable. But once the tax rate is reset for 2015, he MUST make a couple of major acquisitions and the farm system must produce at least 1 player annually to sustain.
    People think the Red Sox were a one year transformation. Bull. They missed the playoffs for 3 straight seasons including the greatest regular season choke job in history. Hopefully our absence will be shorter.
    The division is so weak that there is no reason we can’t cut payroll and win in 2014 – as long as Rodriguez is down for the season.

  89. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    If you know they are working to get under 189, and you have opinions based on that. There re areas of need that they have to focus their resources on.

    Why waste time yearning for a player that right now is a luxury?

    As for Alex at DH, if his suspension is less than what people are hoping for, would you rather he play 3rd? I don’t. I’d rather they get someone who can play the position well. They are going to need all the defense they can get.

    As long as Alex is on the team, and as long as he has two surgically repaired hips, and as long as he is approaching 40, and as long as he costs more money than he is worth by far, he is a major issue to contend with. If he’s healthy and productive, great. But I don’t expect that n a consistent basis, especially if he plays 3rd.

  90. blake October 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    “Here’s a novel idea how about going after both of them?”

    Genius

  91. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    yankinvegas—-

    Good morning and welcome to the morning crew.

    Good points on the $ 189 M issues. I’d prefer a clear statement that $ 189 M WILL happen period and if that means a difficult 2014 so be it. That would be better than the mixed messages they keep sending out.

    We’ll see how it plays out, but Abreu going to the Chisox is not a great start.

  92. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    86,

    I am not directing anything at you or Doreen. Many have expressed over the last months the wisdom of not getting this or that player. We used to get joy in signings. Now, we get joy when we don’t.

    If you want to disagree and tell me how I am wrong, feel free. But, instead you criticize me. I don’t think you can logically disagree.

    Having Alex signed doesn’t mean he can play enough or well enough to base your team on him. I will let you look forward to his hobbling return. His leg issues were no coincidence. That is the future.

  93. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    And I’m not worried about players trusting the Yankees that’s Boras BS (again).

  94. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Austinmac,

    Who is getting joy out of not signing players? I’m being pragmatic given the framework that we’ve been given that 189 is the current reality.

  95. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    YankinVegas,

    I don’t see how an Alex suspension will help with payroll if the result doesn’t come in until the end of the year. By then, players will be signed. They need to at least act as of they will save some of the money.

  96. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    austinmac —

    I apologize for taking your comments as a direct shot. We were the only ones who had posted this morning.

    I don’t think anyone is happy about of excited about the quest for $ 189 M, but we can’t ignore the reality that existing contracts make that goal much more difficult/painful to attain. Alex is signed 2015-17. It makes more sense to pencil him at DH than to count on him as a 3B, wouldn’t you agree?

    I’d rather they spend $ 250 M every year. Beats the hell out of counting beans with Randy Levine.

  97. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Austinmac, also not saying we build a team around Alex. Again, he’s here and unless you pay him to go away, you have to play him. That being the case DH over 3rd base is my preference.

  98. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    The team is not going to affirmatively state they will stay under $189 no matter how the team looks. Think of what it would do to ticket sales. It’s like telling restaurant customers to keep coming despite having to buying cheaper quality ingredients. Not happening.

  99. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    86,

    I with you on the spending. It is not my money either. I really do think we have come to expect top players not to be signed. I hate reduced expectations.

    I wish the AROD hearing would end. Who knows when the arbitrator will find a few more days to push this boulder up the mountain.

  100. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Doreen,

    The Yankees can change Boras’ and others expectations by acting and by spending. We will see what they do.

  101. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    So the other day Randy was posting, and a discussion ensuing, about other owners (through MLB abd Selig) sort of helping the Yankees out of their Alex “problem.”. Since it now looks like the decision won’t be coming until perhaps after the winter meetings, the Yankees will have some of their options compromised by not knowing how much money they have. Perhaps they will be shut out of some early opportunities that, had they known they would hav some extra money they could have taken advantage of. Key players may be off the table by the time a decision comes. So, maybe not so much help if the timing allows other teams to have first shot? Or help delayed by one year (if the suspension is upheld or only slightly reduced)?

  102. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Austinmac, they can still sign and spend next season and seasons following those.

  103. yankinvegas October 18th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Hopefully, the Alex decision will come down before the winter meetings when most of the free agent movement takes place.
    I also think that there is a strong possibility that they will release him and eat the last 61 million on the deal.
    Too much negative press both nationwide and locally. Example is Lupica today. Doesn’t he know that a defendant is not compelled to testify? What a jerk he is.
    And Ortiz plays on.

  104. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    I think Boras is just trying to bait the Yankees into overpaying for one or more of his guys. The Yanks have a longer tradition of winning and spending than any team in the history of sports.

    If the Yanks try a bare bones approach for 2014 with a pledge to spend big time in the future it might inspire more A-list players to test free agency next year.

  105. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    I don’t know if this is possible, but the best thing for MLB and the Yankees would be for the Yanks to pay off Alex once the arbitration ruling comes down AND for MLB to exempt that payout from luxury tax calculations.

    The justification? It’s best for baseball and NYY for Alex to go away and the Yanks’ tax break is in exchange for losing the services of the player for 2015-17.

  106. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Before I ahead to that pesky work thing, i will say the team needs to add this year for future years. It is not a one year project, particularly with so few free agents of note. Just show me a plan for the future, and I will be satisfied.

  107. randy l. October 18th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    “I’m being pragmatic given the framework that we’ve been given that 189 is the current reality.”

    doreen-

    if 189 is the current reality this management has no chance to make the playoffs next year.

    this present management has never been able to win without massive spending. they won in 2009 because they signed sabathia, teixeira , and burnett for 350 million or something like that.

    that kind of spending makes up for not being good at other facets of creating a first class team. this present management has only known success through spending. there is nothing that indicates an ability to compete on a budget.

    when i saw hal doing this last year, i stopped rooting for the team because hal was sabotaging his own team. he was throwing in the towel. i won’t play the game of accepting 189.

    that’s just a silly whim of hals. it’s made up and has no foundation in reality. he will lose money by trying to do 189 because revenues will shrink as losses mount up.

    i’m not going to play the arranging- the- chairs- on- the- titantic game as the yankees scramble to get under 189.

    others may do it. i think they just doing it for entertainment like doing the new york times crossword puzzle. it’s something to do. some people will ask how do i know what will happen in 2014 since it hasn’t happened yet?

    good point, but i called 2013 pretty accurately based on what i saw. maybe that was just plain lucky. i don’t think so. lots of other posters saw it and called it too.

    what interests me with the yankees now and keeps me reading about them is either one of two possible scenarios.
    number one that hal will change his mind and go for the gold and that he’ll take his foot off the brakes and hit the gas.
    number two is that it’s fascinating to watch a massive building be imploded or a ship to sink or a train crash.( that’s assuming that no lives are lost of course and i don’t think anything the yankees do involves life and death).

    i would like to see number one happen of course and see hal step on the gas.

    he’s never gone into a skid before so i guess he’s never learned to steer into the slide and hit the gas to get out of it.

    unfortunately, i think he’ll need to learn the hard way.

  108. Shame Spencer October 18th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    They need to operate as if Alex will be playing all year… they just have to. You can’t earmark money for other players that you might not have. If they let the timing of the Alex decision dictate their strategy, that’s already a poor decision in my opinion. Too much would rest on chance otherwise.

  109. Shame Spencer October 18th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    The justification? It’s best for baseball and NYY for Alex to go away and the Yanks’ tax break is in exchange for losing the services of the player for 2015-17.

    ——————

    No way, that would be a sweet deal for the Yankees and every other team with a huge contract would protest the decision immediately.

  110. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    AROD could be called to testify. He would then have to decide if he would take the 5th Amendment. That would be fun.

  111. Shame Spencer October 18th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    :arrow:

  112. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Randy,

    Obviously, I agree with you. Going under the so-called cap will impact this year and the years ahead. My crystal ball also called last year and sees dark clouds ahead. It is from simply looking at the roster, knowing they have few chips with which to trade and little desire to spend. It cannot end well.

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