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Abreu’s hefty deal could impact asking price for Tanaka

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 18, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Jose Abreu

As expected, Cuban first baseman Jose Abreu has reportedly agreed to a deal with the White Sox, and it’s a big one. I believe Ken Rosenthal was the first to report a six-year, $68-million contract that will be the largest ever given to an international player with no Major League experience.

There are plenty out there who want the Yankees to be in on every big-name player, but there was never any real indication that Abreu was either a significant target or a good fit for the Yankees. So, he landed in Chicago, where he could be the White Sox immediate replacement for Paul Konerko.

The immediate impact on the Yankees could be what Abreu’s contract means in the greater context of the international market. Ben Badler from Baseball America points out that Masahiro Tanaka is generally seen as a better talent than Abreu, and you have to wonder whether a record deal for Abreu might boost the demands for Tanaka.

Submitting a posting fee would be only the first step toward the Yankees signing the Japanese pitcher. They’d still have to agree to a contract with him.

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46 Responses to “Abreu’s hefty deal could impact asking price for Tanaka”

  1. Mottsx October 18th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    He’s already going to get more than Darvish’s 6/56. What else can he expect? YS3 is equipped with an aswesome Sushi stand. There’s his bonus.

  2. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    The scouting consensus is that Masahiro Tanaka is better than Abreu and the total price tag for the Japanese hurler should be going up, tweets Badler.

  3. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Oops, Chad quoted Badler in the article…

  4. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Chip October 18th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Who gets a bigger deal this winter:

    Phil Hughes vs. Timmy Lincecum?

    Lincecum has the track record but he’s been brutal his last two years, he’s older (29) and will cost the team that signs him a draft pick.

    Hughes is younger, no pick compensation and there’s the theory that he’ll be fine once he’s out of New York.

    Thoughts?

  5. Mottsx October 18th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Timmy will get 4/60 and Hughesy will get 4/40.

  6. luis October 18th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Chip,

    My take is that Lincecum will get a one year deal to re-establish his value. In the case of Hughes, I think he will get a one year deal also. But with a much lower base salary. I think Lincecum will sign with a team with a protected draft pick. So that erases the perceived disadvantage. Also, Hughes may even get a MiLB deal with a chance to make the big club. That’s how low his value is right now.

  7. Hassey October 18th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    We’re on a road to nowhere. Come on inside. Takin’ that ride to nowhere. We’ll take that ride.

  8. luis October 18th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    About Tanaka… More than velo, they need to see his ability to move the ball around and how he changes speeds. Having a FB sitting 92-94 is plenty enough. The problem is how well he can command it and how good his other offerings are

  9. luis October 18th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    No way Hughes gets that 4/40 deal… He will get a 1 year deal worth 4-6 mil if he makes the cut.

  10. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Luis,

    He moves it very well. I saw a video, his strike outs were on both sides of the plate. Also some k’s down in the zone, like a curveball, downright nasty bro. I think this guy is the real deal

  11. sammiejohnson October 18th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    “No way Hughes gets that 4/40 deal…”

    I agree. Not a chance. I can see a 1/$4M maybe.

  12. Cashmoney October 18th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Abreu, Tanaka i take em all if Yanks got money to gamble.

  13. Mottsx October 18th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I think he will a shot. Binder Joe screwed him a little towards the end of the year with his 3 inning starts. I’m not saying hes the best pitcher in the world but if you give up 2 runs in 3 innings and then get taken out with no run support to a loss then it hurts your ERA and W/L further.

    He may not get a long term deal but if a good pitching coach gets a hold of him and he stays in the AL maybe Tampa or Oakland and gets a 1 year deal, he can turn it around.

    Maybe its wishful thinking.

  14. tucker October 18th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Hughes would be wise to sign a 1-year deal with the Padres or even the Giants. He needs a larger park.

    Although Timmy has had two subpar years, he has talent that Hughes does not. The two pitchers really aren’t in the same league, talent-wise.

  15. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Phil MIGHT be able to 4 year – $40M deal if he kidnaps the family of an NL West GM and holds them hostage as leverage.

  16. Cashmoney October 18th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    these IFAs simply represent one of the ways to obtain premium talents, it’s a gamble, can a pretty big one at times. but mostly these marquee IFA presents to a team like the Yanks an opportunity to get premium talents that yanks are in need of and have otherwise difficult time obtaining due their usual M.O.

  17. disco stu October 18th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    ““No way Hughes gets that 4/40 deal…”

    I agree. Not a chance. I can see a 1/$4M maybe.”

    Maybe he wont get 4/40, but I think 1/4 is low, especially considering it is a weak market for FA starting pitching. Hughes had an awful 2013, no question about it, but just last year he won 15 games and pitched well in the post season against the Orioles and Tigers.

    So as some have speculated, there may be teams who think that once Hughes gets out of the fishbowl of New York, he may pitch closer to his potential and be that much more productive moving forward.

    I would not be suprised if he gets a multi year deal.

  18. bigdan22 October 18th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Doesn’t seem like folks fully understand this process. If the posting system remains the same, there is absolutely no similarity between Abreu and Tanaka. Under the current posting system, Tanaka would only be able to negotiate with one team. And that’s not much of a negotiation. Abreu had several teams bidding for his services. Now if the posting system changes and three teams could negotiate with Tanaka, then all hell would break loose. Sorta speak.

  19. I Am Winning October 18th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Stop blaming “binder Joe” for Hughes piss poor major league performances. It shows your lack of knowledge of MLB.

  20. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    There is still competition with the posting fee for Tanaka. It’s a blind bid, but more demand means higher bids.

  21. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Hughes gets $ 4 M from Oakland… Yanks give $ 8 M to Colon

    I think Lincecum would make a great closer

  22. bigdan22 October 18th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Changing subjects. Was checking out Alexander Guerrero yesterday. He’s got Boras now. And Boras was challenging the Yanks yesterday to step up in the free agent market. Boras’ personal financial position owes a lot to the Yanks. Their position in the market is key to supporting player salaries. Starting to think that Guerrero won’t sign until the Cano situation is sorted out. Boras would love to get the Yanks bidding for his new client. Yanks should def be in on Guerrero too assuming they like his skill set.

  23. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    MLB and NPB are negotiating a new posting fee policy. NPB could act on its own, but the two sides realize it’s in their interests to control personnel activity from Japan to the USA.

    I wonder if Wladimir Balentien could be had cheap? He’s got power and may have learned to hit over there.

  24. David in Cal October 18th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    So, how much should the Yanks bid for the right to negotiate with Tanaka? I’m guessing the winning bid will be greater than $40 million.

  25. bigdan22 October 18th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    The blind bidding process for Japanese professionals is different than a free agent negotiating with several teams as was the case with Abreu. Totally different game theory. Prior blind bids (Darvish, Mats) with play a role. Not the negotiations with Abreu. But if the posting system changes, then of course the Abreu case will be relevant.

  26. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Abreu is relevant because that’s one avenue for “big”money off the market. Plus, like Badler said, Tanaka is probably seen as more valuable than Abreu.

  27. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    I think instead of the blind posting fee the NPB should set the posting fee. MLB teams have 48 hours to declare their willingness to pay it and then the player chooses which team he wants to negotiate with.

    That seems to me to be fairer and more sensible than the blind bid system.

  28. bigdan22 October 18th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Time to move on. The Yanks outfield for 2014. Yesterday I talked about the three key decisions that need to be made prior to building a roster for next year–Cano, Jeter, Tanaka. I’m assuming now that Cano is gone. No tears to be shed there. Cano leaving is actually best result for both the team and the player.

    Reading RAB today, Axisa beat me to the issue of Grandy vs. Beltran. But I come out on the side of Grandy. Will get to that later. But I beat Axisa when I said last May (!) that Ichiro should be cut. Axisa proposed that a couple of days ago. I wanted Neal to replace Ichiro back then. No matter, Ichiro is a terrible offensive player and the sooner he leaves the better. Unlike Axisa’s take, I’d keep Wells and platoon him in right with Almonte. Almonte absolutely needs a shot of semi-regular playing time early next year. He’s always hit right-handers and the Yanks need to know what they have with him. A transition year like next year the perfect time to do that.

    The trickier issue is Gardner. He’s a free agent I believe after next year right? Does anybody want to extend him now? I’ don’t think so. If he has a year next year like this past year would you give him a qualified offer? Probably not. So why keep him now? If the Yanks can keep Cano, blow out the 189, sign McCann, Choo and go all in next year, Gardner is an excellent piece. He’s not a core piece but he’s a great complementary piece on a playoff team. But he’s not a good transitional piece on a rebuilding team. If that’s the route, then Gardner should be traded this off season.

    So let’s talk of transitional pieces. Hence the Grandyman! He’s a perfect transitional piece at 2 to 3 years and roughly 13-14MM a year. Great clubhouse guy. Better than average production. May produce as much as Beltran over the next couple years and, most importantly, can play CF and will not result in the loss of the 18th pick. I see a lot of Roy White in the Grandyman. Would be a nice guy to keep around when the team re-tools. If either Slade or Mason work out he can hold down the fort till then.

    Sori in left of course. Another nice transitional piece.

  29. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Chad,

    Personally, I would like for the Yankees to be in on ANY big name player. Other than Hal’s belief Youkilis was such a player, they have not been the finalist, much less signing one, for anyone since 2009 from what I have seen.

    I will believe the Yankees will outbid others for Tanaka when I see it. Many seem to pencil him in, but I think others are far more likely to sign him including the Rangers, Dodgers, Red Sox and Nats. Plus, we see teams like the White Sox will spend.

  30. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    It seems likely the NPB/MLB will change the posting system before Tanaka uses it.

    They have talked about taking the top 3 bids and giving the player the choice of which team to negotiate with (I don’t know if they can talk money before that choice).

    They’ve also talked about a cap for posting fee bids. The Players Union and MLB want more money going to the player, MLB desires this for luxury tax purposes.

    The ways the Yankees can use money to their advantage are disappearing or being diminished.

  31. djsunyc October 18th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    i think hughes true value would be as a closer.

  32. bigdan22 October 18th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    I’ve been saying Hughes profiles as a relief pitcher for better than two years now. I thought in order to get a return on their investment, the Yanks should have put him in the bullpen before last season to audition for Mo’s successor. I don’t think he can succeed anywhere as a starter without a good two-seamer.

  33. Hassey October 18th, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Yankees’ next full-time, long-term, reliable closer hasn’t even been born yet

  34. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Big Mike again saying Scherzer never pitched 8 innings in any of his games this year… He was spouting this nonsense earlier in the week also… Scherzer did it 7 times this year Mike you dope.

  35. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    would like to see Gardner traded to Cinn for a SPer

  36. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Mike finally looked it up during commercial break and now his tune is… Oh Scherzer hasn’t pitched 8 full innings late in the year… Still manged to get the # wrong, he said 6 times when it was 7.

  37. mick October 18th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    Mike has never ever been wrong.

  38. mick October 18th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    Even when he fell asleep on Sweeny.
    He said he never did.

  39. mick October 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    WFAN’s Sweeny Murti Puts Mike Francesa to Sleep – YouTube
    ? 1:23? 1:23
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAONQyJWC-8?

  40. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    In fairness to Mike…Sweeny can sometimes bore me to sleep too.

  41. mick October 18th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUH3OF2m0JA

  42. mick October 18th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg1zJ1qfae4

  43. mick October 18th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7KM98ST5qY

  44. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Mick,

    The whole weather thing with Mike was priceless… He still wouldn’t admit he was wrong in Monday

  45. mick October 18th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm6h_Rb1ecM

  46. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I1W_JdJu-8

    I think this one is my favorite when Mike tries to hide his ice cream from the YES camera

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