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Former Yankees reliever making an impact in the ALCS

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 18, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Jose Veras

I was not in Detroit last night, so I missed this remarkable event:

 

Seriously, before this postseason, did you realize Jose Veras was having such a good season? I knew he’d opened the year as Houston’s closer, and I vaguely remembered that he’d been traded to Detroit, but a 1.07 WHIP? Counted on for 1.2 scoreless innings in a tight playoff game? A highlight video on the big screen?!

Not remotely saying the Yankees made a mistake in letting Veras get away — before this season he’d pretty well established himself as a solid, journeyman type; not a guy you regret losing — but it just goes to show that it’s possible to kind of forget about a guy only to have him show up elsewhere.

I’m sure you know that Mark Melancon was an all-star setup man for the Pirates, but…

Did you know Tyler Clippard had another terrific season for the Nationals (better numbers across the board than Rafael Soriano)? Do you realize Cody Ransom slugged .449 for the Cubs (fourth highest slugging percentage of anyone who played at least 50 games for them)? Did you know Ross Ohlendorf pitched 60.1 solid innings in Washington, that Ramiro Pena hit .278 for the Braves, or that Freddy Guzman was back in the big leagues with the Rays (do you even remember Freddy Guzman)?

Did you know that former Yankees utility infielder Alberto Gonzalez got 34 at-bats this season? For the Yankees!

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147 Responses to “Former Yankees reliever making an impact in the ALCS”

  1. JobaTipsHisCap October 18th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Sux in 6.
    Yankee fans are hurt.

  2. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Shame, I agree that they have to operate as if they have Alex. 100%

    Randy,

    We’ll see. I really don’t exact Hal to end the 189. But I’m looking at 189 as short term pain for long term gain and hoping I’m right about that. I’m fully aware that I could be very wrong. :)

  3. austinmac October 18th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    They have to act as of Alex is on the books only if they are unwilling to take a chance they exceed $189. But, Hal said it would depend upon competitiveness. Is it the consensus he was not being honest with the fans? Is that okay with all?

  4. Shame Spencer October 18th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    mac – People will just say they don’t expect Hal to be honest with the fans… and then point to ’189 is a goal, not a mandate’ as being a factual statement. I think 2012 and 2013 are solid indicators for what to expect in 2014 but hope something insane happens and Hal changes course.

  5. Shame Spencer October 18th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    With Alex having that $6 million bonus looming, not pretending his salary is on the books could be a disaster. I think it’s very, very likely Alex gets suspended for 100 games.. but they shouldn’t even factor that in as a conservative estimate.

  6. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Austinmac,

    I think the problem is the decision on whether they are actually competitive will come while they’re actually playing out the 2014 season.

    I think it is probable they will try to put together a team within their budget that will look competitive on paper (capable of competing for a wild card spot, better only if other teams fail), much like this season. There will again be that razor thin margin for error. Sometime during the season they will decide to break the budget. If they end up not winning anyway, it will all have been an exercise in futility, because they will again be assessed at 50% for monies spent over 189. So they will be very careful.

    I think if they’re serious about getting that lux tax down they should bite the bullet, and NOT go over it mid-season. No matter what. And then go back to SOP as we’ve come to expect from the Yankees, at 17% tax rate. It will be a contentious year with the fans, but it will be worse if hey pass up good players now and then shoot the budget by adding “reinforcements” in July and August, the quality of which will be determined by how many teams still consider themselves in the race.

  7. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    We won’t know if Hal is being honest until we see the make up of the 2014 roster.

    Right now we don’t know much. We’ll learn more when they make decisions regarding QO to impending FA and more as they react to the marketplace.

    All we’ve learned so far is that they were not players for Dariel Abreu.

  8. Doreen October 18th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    In other words, if they’re gonna do it, they should just do it.

  9. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    shame —

    I completely agree regarding Alex’ contract and planning. It’s why I keep saying they can’t make finding a long term 3B a high priority until the verdict is in.

    If Alex is gone you have to figure he’ll be a DH in 2015-17 and THEN they can look for a long term 3B solution. They won’t get the guy via free agency so they’ll have to try and work a trade for someone… Headley, Moustakas, someone…..

  10. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    So, based on reports from the locals and others – the Yankees are linked to:
    Beltran
    McCann
    The Japanese pitcher.

    Assuming they re-up Cano, sign those three and maybe add a Jhonny Peralta (who can either play 3b assuming Alex is suspended or SS on days Jeter can’t) you’re looking at a pretty good team:

    RAB also suggests just outright cutting Ichiro and or Wells because, while yes they are relatively cheap veterans, you don’t become a better team carrying bad players.

    So let’s look at what could be (assuming Alex is suspended):

    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Cano – 2b
    Soriano – LF
    McCann – C
    Tex – 1b
    Beltran – DH
    Peralta – 3b
    Almonte – RF

    Bench: Romine, Nunez, Mustelier, Mark Reynolds?

    Rotation:
    CC
    Nova
    Pineda
    Japanese Guy
    Phelps/Warren

    Pen: Robertson, Claiborne, Kelley, Cabral, Betances, Phelps/Warren

    That’s a lineup that does have some injury concerns (Jeter, Tex, Beltran, McCann) but also has a lot of versatility and power and a fairly deep bench. The rotation is relatively unproven as is the pen.

  11. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    said back on the first day of Oct…Cards ..RS..WS

  12. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Arod got himself in another pickle…in new book coming out

  13. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    This Tanaka kid is very impressive. Throws hard and also has great command. Checkout Youtube Videos, strikeouts everywhere, both left side and right side of the plate.

  14. Jerkface October 18th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Tanaka does not throw hard. He has average velocity. He is like Phil Hughes in that he can touch it up to 94-95 but spends most of his time 91-93.

  15. Jerkface October 18th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    6/68 for Abreu to the White Sox. Really glad the Yankees continue to not sign anyone.

  16. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Jerkface October 18th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    6/68 for Abreu to the White Sox. Really glad the Yankees continue to not sign anyone.
    ——————–

    Why would the Yankees invest in a 1b when they have one locked up? They can’t sign him to be an everyday DH – not with the number of guys they’re going to have to rotate through there.

    I want the Yankees to sign players too – but you can’t have redundancy on top of redundancy at the positions.

  17. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Chip October 18th, 2013 at 10:08 am
    Jerkface October 18th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    6/68 for Abreu to the White Sox. Really glad the Yankees continue to not sign anyone.
    ——————–

    Why would the Yankees invest in a 1b when they have one locked up? They can’t sign him to be an everyday DH – not with the number of guys they’re going to have to rotate through there.

    I want the Yankees to sign players too – but you can’t have redundancy on top of redundancy at the positions.

    ———————————-
    Have to believe Abreu wasn’t even a thought in Yankee plans

  18. DONNYBROOK October 18th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    - PLAYOFF OBSERVATONS -

    (1) Should Only be 1 travel\off day during a 7 game series, (World Series included). There just is No way MLB can hook viewers when the momentum of a series is consistently broken by the frequent off days. “Same bat time, same bat channel”, has Proven to work like a charm.

    (2) Puig’s theatrics might play in LaLa Land, but Not everyone in America is saying, “Hey look at me”, by driving a convertible with the top down, and the subwoofer thump, thump, thumping. Puig’s sh*t ain’t flyin’ with Joe Six Pack.

    (3) Home Plate Umps continue to decide game after game. If the dictum is gonna be, “get it right”, then instant replay should start behind home plate.

    (4) Buck and McCarver refusing to chastise the Ump for blocking the tag at 3B last night was Weak. Ump was completely out of position.

  19. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Jerk, I saw videos of 92-97 on Youtube. Just saying, he’s obviously not a 98-100 mph guy, but he has tremendous talent. If the Yankees signed him and McCan, and happened to get a solid 3B.. I think we can make some noise. We were on the brink of making the playoffs with all these injuries, imagine with a healthy roster and their additions.

  20. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I’m not even upset about Abreu, neither should you guys. I mean, we have too much invested in Tex. No MLB team would make that commitment while having a salary like Tex on their roster. Not even LAD, lol.

  21. blake October 18th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Jerkface says:
    October 18, 2013 at 10:02 am
    Tanaka does not throw hard. He has average velocity. He is like Phil Hughes in that he can touch it up to 94-95 but spends most of his time 91-93.

    If he’s got a split like Uehara then he doesn’t have to because he throws like 89 and nobody can touch him

  22. blake October 18th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    “6/68 for Abreu to the White Sox. Really glad the Yankees continue to not sign anyone.”

    We already have a stud 1B :|

  23. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    would E Santana be a good sign for the NYY

  24. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I’d take Santana if he came really cheap which I doubt… He is too up and down for me.

  25. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    In an ideal world( I am dreaming of course, pinstripe paradise), we sign Tanaka, Kuroda and Michael Piñeda gets a shot at the 5th starter spot. The rotation is so good anchored by CC and Ivan, with a catching combo of McCan and Austin or JR Murphy. The outfield is perfect with Soriano, Gardner and Beltran.

    Lol too ideal but theeeeeeeeeee Yankeeeeeeeeeeeees win! Not even trolling, with these acquisitions and health permitting, I really do think we can make some noise next year.

  26. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Santana is a talented guy, but a little HR prone and a lot inconsistent. Last four years 3X his ERA was under four, once it was over five.

  27. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 10:30 am
    ———————-
    That is just about best case scenario

    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Cano – 2B
    Beltran – DH
    Tex – 1B
    Soriano – LF
    McCann – C
    Nunez – 3B
    Ichiro – RF

    CC Kuroda Nova Tanaka Pineda/Phelps/Warren

    3B and RF still stink but the rest would make up for them if Nunez could play halfway decent defense.

  28. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:37 am
    Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 10:30 am
    ———————-
    That is just about best case scenario

    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Cano – 2B
    Beltran – DH
    Tex – 1B
    Soriano – LF
    McCann – C
    Nunez – 3B
    Ichiro – RF

    CC Kuroda Nova Tanaka Pineda/Phelps/Warren

    3B and RF still stink but the rest would make up for them if Nunez could play halfway decent defense.

    ——————————————
    not bad but Jeter is a ?

    make one up without Cano …

  29. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Tex – 1b
    Soriano – LF
    McCann – C
    Beltran – DH
    Zobrist – 2b
    Peralta – 3b
    Almonte – RF

  30. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Chip October 18th, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Gardner – CF
    Jeter – SS
    Tex – 1b
    Soriano – LF
    McCann – C
    Beltran – DH
    Zobrist – 2b
    Peralta – 3b
    Almonte – RF
    ————————————
    didn’t know Zobrist was a FA

  31. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Yeah, with Jeter at SS you have to bring in a viable back up like Ryan.

    If we lose Cano we might as well just sign Tanaka, because he should be valuable long term, and just go into rebuilding mode.

  32. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I think we can get below the $189, at least according to Cots. ( I’m bad at math, haha).

    http://www.baseballprospectus......cyear=2014

    We add McCann, Beltran, Tanaka kid, and have space to re-up Cano/Kuroda. Maybe we can get a Jerry Hairston type of guy, good utility. It gets difficult when you put 20M for Cano, the key is the raises in salary too.

  33. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    The Rays have a $7M club option on Zobrist with a $2.5M buyout.

  34. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:51 am
    The Rays have a $7M club option on Zobrist with a $2.5M buyout.

    ——————————————————-
    Well if they don’t use the option on him and even if the NYY keep Cano he’s a no brainer..can play all over the field

  35. pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    I know the Rays are cheap but they can pay $2.5M and not have Zobrist or pay another $4.5 M and have him next year. Seems like a no brainer to me but then again the Rays are cheap.

  36. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    pkyankfan69 October 18th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    I know the Rays are cheap but they can pay $2.5M and not have Zobrist or pay another $4.5 M and have him next year. Seems like a no brainer to me but then again the Rays are cheap.
    ————————

    I don’t know what the Rays have in the pipeline at 2b and RF – but my guess is that would dictate what they do with Zobrist.

  37. chicken little October 18th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    If the Rays are too cheap to pay Zobrist, I bet they pick up his option and then trade him. The Yanks did that with Sheffield way back when. Someone will want Zobrist at $7 million for a year.

  38. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    7 mil for Zobrist is cheap….still don’t believe they gave Youkilis 12 mil

  39. Against All Odds October 18th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Have to believe Abreu wasn’t even a thought in Yankee plans

    ——————————

    Yep. I don’t think they viewed him as a realistic possibility at all.

  40. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Against All Odds October 18th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Have to believe Abreu wasn’t even a thought in Yankee plans

    ——————————

    Yep. I don’t think they viewed him as a realistic possibility at all.
    ————————

    He didn’t make any sense for the Yankees.

    Tex isn’t going anywhere and they can’t lock up the DH spot.

  41. chicken little October 18th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Had the Yankees been savvy enough to dump all the big contracts they have on the Dodgers, then Abreu would have made sense. Because the Yankees are stuck with all these big contracts for a bunch of 1B/3B/Dh types, and we no longer live in the days of George where he signed big name free agents and then worried about where to play them later, signing Abreu was never going to happen.

  42. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    I agree with Chip. Makes no sense in signing him, Tex is here for the long term.

  43. Against All Odds October 18th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I hear what you’re saying and that’s why I never viewed him as a real option. I just wish the Yankees would stop using the DH as some old folks home for 3-4 players.

  44. Against All Odds October 18th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Tex is here for the long term.

    ——————

    Unfortunately

  45. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    John Fay reports that the Reds want to trade Brandon Phillips this winter.

    He is 32 with 4 years and $50 mil left on his deal.

    If the Yankees were to lose Cano, would they be interested? Assuming the Reds don’t expect to get much back for him.

  46. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Against All Odds October 18th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I hear what you’re saying and that’s why I never viewed him as a real option. I just wish the Yankees would stop using the DH as some old folks home for 3-4 players.
    —————————–

    I’m sure they would prefer that too – but right now they don’t have a choice.

  47. yankeefeminista October 18th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    In one of his games, Tanaka’s fb touched 97 on the 108th pitch of a start. I think BA (Badler?) graded his splitter a 70/80. Patrick Newman (NPBTracker) rated his said it was similar to Kuroda’s, ditto his slider. I hope we are able to sign him.

    Rays also have a team option on Zobrist for 2015.

  48. yankeefeminista October 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Patrick Newman *said the splitter* was similar to Kuroda’s (it should read)

  49. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    we no longer live in the days of George where he signed big name free agents and then worried about where to play them later

    *************************************************************************

    Thank God ! 1982-94 was not much fun.

    No way the Rays let Zobrist go to save $ 4.5 M. He could be a trade chip depending on what they can get/not get for Price

  50. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Chip October 18th, 2013 at 11:12 am
    John Fay reports that the Reds want to trade Brandon Phillips this winter.

    He is 32 with 4 years and $50 mil left on his deal.

    If the Yankees were to lose Cano, would they be interested? Assuming the Reds don’t expect to get much back for him.

    ————————————–
    Reds are looking for a CFer with a smaller contract..I know one

  51. 86w183 October 18th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Brandon Phillips is a helluva talent and competitor. He would be a more than adequate replacement at about half the price. Dunno about a trade fit, though.

  52. joeman October 18th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Gardner in a package for BP..if Cano leaves

  53. Kelvin October 18th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Yankeefem, Yeah I’ve seen videos where he touches 95,96,97. Just because he sits consistently at 92-94 doesn’t mean he cannot dial it up. His command is good too. I really do hope we sign him and McCann.

  54. Jerkface October 18th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    In one of his games, Tanaka’s fb touched 97 on the 108th pitch of a start.

    Sure, but I’m saying he is not overall a hard thrower. Look at his NPB velocity charts.

    http://www.npbtracker.com/data/player.php?p_id=252

  55. jpb173 October 18th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    I see that the White Sox have agreed to pay Jose Dariel Abreu $68M for 6 years. Has anyone considered the possibility that the best Cuban players have already defected and that what comes now are the lesser players? Meanwhile Abreu got a better deal than Cespedes or Puig. It will be interesting to see how happy the Pale Hose are in 2-3 years.

  56. yankeefeminista October 18th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    JF, yes, I realize that. But assuming his fastball isn’t flat, it is nice to know he can get that kind of velo late in a game. Plus the mix in pitches and speeds can only help.

  57. Chip October 18th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Who gets a bigger deal this winter:

    Phil Hughes vs. Timmy Lincecum?

    Lincecum has the track record but he’s been brutal his last two years, he’s older (29) and will cost the team that signs him a draft pick.

    Hughes is younger, no pick compensation and there’s the theory that he’ll be fine once he’s out of New York.

    Thoughts?

  58. jacksquat October 18th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    The scouting consensus is that Masahiro Tanaka is better than Abreu and the total price tag for the Japanese hurler should be going up, tweets Badler.

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