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Yankees organizational all-star team

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 19, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Spring Baseball

While I was watching the NLCS last night, I was digging through some Yankees minor league numbers, doing a little bit of early research for some position-by-position stuff I’m planning for the days ahead. I was trying to get a better big picture sense of what happened in the system this year.

At some point I started making mental notes of the best performances at each position. Eventually, I just wrote those choices down and thought I’d blog them as a sort of Yankees minor league all-star team. These aren’t the best prospects at each position, just the best 2013 performances at each position. And frankly, a lot of these are subject to plenty of debate (if you really feel like debating this sort of thing).

A few things that stood out:

1. When I do things like this, I usually separate the short-season and rookie-ball performances, but there were three lowest-level shortstops who had better years than any full-season shortstop in the system. Cito Culver showed a little bit of life (finally) and Addison Maruszak had a solid year as a Triple-A utility man, but I just couldn’t pick one of those guys over the GCL and Staten Island guys.

2. A lot of outfielders had good-but-not-great seasons, and a lot of them had uneven seasons. Yeicok Calderon was great in Staten Island and hit for good power, but his overall numbers were only so-so after struggling in Charleston. Ramon Flores got on base fairly well, but didn’t do much else. Melky Mesa hit for power, but his bat was too inconsistent. Ben Gamel stole some bases and was perfectly solid across the board, but again, nothing outstanding.

3. Even after trading Jesus Montero and graduating Austin Romine to the big leagues, catcher is still a position of obvious strength in this system. The Yankees top catching prospect had a perfectly good year, and I still wound up squeezing two other catchers onto this list ahead of him. Could easily make the case that he should be on here instead of the guy I picked at catcher.

4. I decided to pick two starting pitchers and a reliever. There were a lot of starting pitching performances that hadn’t caught my attention during the year — didn’t realize Nik Turley had that many strikeouts, didn’t realize Scottie Allen had a 3.21 ERA — but I ultimately settled on the two starters whose seasons stood out to me. As for a reliever, I took only bullpen performances into account and picked a guy who wouldn’t have come close to being a choice for one of the rotation spots.

MurphyC J.R. Murphy
Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
.269/.347/.426
Similar season for Gary Sanchez. Both made defensive progress and bumped up a level. Murphy had maybe a slightly better offensive season.

1B Greg Bird
Low-A Charleston
.288/.428/.511
Within the Yankees system, Cave finished top three in batting average, home runs and RBI among players in full-season leagues. Strong first full season.

2B Rob Refsnyder
High-A Tampa
.293/.413/.413

Took just 13 games in Charleston to prove too advanced for the league. Had more walks (84) than strikeouts (82). Positive reviews of his adjustment from the outfield.

O'Brien3B Peter O’Brien
High-A Tampa
.291 .350 .544
Split the season pretty evenly between Low-A and High-A. Opened as a full-time catcher before getting most of his time at third in the second half.

SS Abiatal Avelino
Short-season Staten Island
.303/.381/.399
Played his first game on July 4, still lead the system with 28 steals. Could also make a case for Tyler Wade or Thairo Estrada out of the GCL.

OF Taylor Dugas
High-A Tampa
.285/.405/.339
Far more walks (64) than strikeouts (39) for the 2012 draftee. Numbers jumped to .321/.426/.373 after a mid-season promotion to High-A.

CaveOF Jake Cave
Low-A Charleston
.282/.347/.401
Just a good, solid, all-around season for a guy who missed last season because of knee surgery. Had a .372 OBP and 15 stolen bases in the second half.

OF Slade Heathcott
Double-A Trenton
.261/.327/.411
Given all the uneven outfield performances, I’ll take Heathcott and his .279/.339/.514 surge after the break. Not as bad of a year as it’s sometimes labeled.

DePaulaSP Rafael De Paula
High-A Tampa
7-5, 4.29 ERA, 146 K, 113.1 IP
Not nearly as good after promotion to High-A, but dominated Low-A and led the system in strikeouts. Bit inconsistent, but the highs were tremendous.

SP Shane Greene
Double-A Trenton
12-10, 3.38 ERA, 137 K,. 154.1 IP
By cutting down on his walks — 63 last year, 30 this year — Greene had his best pro season and might have earned a spot on the 40-man roster.

RP Dellin Betances
Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
5 saves, 1.35 ERA, 83 K, 60 IP (as a reliever)
After the move to the bullpen, Betances became a legitimately dominant reliever. Dismiss the rotation numbers. He was the system’s best relief pitcher.

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91 Responses to “Yankees organizational all-star team”

  1. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Good morning.

    I hope some of the guys at the upper levels break out this coming season.

  2. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    That Wacha Wacha is pretty damn great.

  3. jmills October 19th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Yeah, kinda’ makes Carpenter having to leave, easy.

  4. jmills October 19th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I’m still eating Thanksgiving leftovers,….on Saturday morning!

  5. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Going back to the last thread on Brandon Phillips. I can’t fathom Cano leaving, especially with the report Hal is ready to spend 300 M in contracts, an amount similar to after missing the playoffs in 2008 when they splurged on Tex, CC and AJ. Cano wants too much money but he also loves being a NYY. The organization raised him as a pup. Deep down inside he will take less to stay in NY but only up to a certain amount. I think he’d even agree to as much as 1 M – 2 M less annually. If he leaves for a small spread, then we know his heart isn’t in it. I know money matters but I want some allegiance for once for crissakes. Pedroia and others in Boston are very loyal.

  6. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    I’ll believe Hal spends that kind of coin when I see it.

  7. Doreen October 19th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Good morning MTU

    What’s your take on the incident at the NP where the scouts toppled the rock? Do you believe their story that it was dangerously loose? I can’t get over the nerve.

    Chad, thanks for this stuff. Sometimes it’s easy to lose sight of any progress at all. If only we could bubble wrap Heathcott and gve Betances some Xanax when he pitches at Yankee Stadium. Is Xanax a banned substance???

    I suppose congratulations are in order for the Cardinals. I did not watch the game. I know the Dodgers dealt with some injuries (Kemp, and Ramirez playing hurt), and Wacha – wow – but what happened to Kershaw?

  8. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Doreen-

    I did not hear about that so I really can’t comment.

    Sorry.

  9. jmills October 19th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Sorry, MTU, I guess that Kershaw Koufax analogy was a tad premature. Had to bring it up, buddy. Just funning you :D you have an erudite baseball mind.

  10. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Free agent: RHP Ubaldo Jimenez

    2013 stats: 13-9, 3.30 ERA, 182 2/3 innings, 194 strikeouts, 80 walks
    Last three years: 32-39, 4.45 ERA, 547 2/3 innings, 517 strikeouts, 253 walks

    Coming off a strong comeback season, the 29-year-old Jimenez will be a candidate for a multi-year contract. The four-year, $52-million deal signed last winter by righty Edwin Jackson looks like a good comparison at the moment. Jimenez will need to void an $8-million team option and a qualifying offer from Cleveland in order to hit the open market this winter.

    Chances of staying in Cleveland: Low

    ***************

    For the same 52 M required to simply enter into negotiations with Tanaka, you could control Ubaldo Jimenez for 4 years. Sure, bid on Tanaka but your consolation prize has ace potential at a bargain price as well.

  11. jacksquat October 19th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    If they are going to ban home plate collisions they need to also ban blocking the plate.

  12. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Doreen-

    Just read about it.

    I have been there. Those formations are quite amazing.

    There is going to be an investigation and the Men may face felony charges.

    Complete idiots and I do not buy their story for a second.

    It is very easy to avoid individual formations.

  13. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    MLB 2014 Draft Order

    1. Astros
    2. Marlins
    3. White Sox
    4. Cubs
    5. Twins
    6. Mariners
    7. Phillies
    8. Rockies
    9. Blue Jays
    10. Mets
    11. Blue Jays (for failing to sign 2013 No. 10 pick Phil Bickford)
    12. Brewers
    13. Padres
    14. Giants
    15. Angels
    16. Diamondbacks
    17. Orioles
    18. Yankees

  14. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Mills-

    Kershaw picked a really bad night to have one of his worst games in a long time.

    Even the great ones have bad days.

    if you don’t want him I’ll take him.

    ;)

  15. 86w183 October 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Ubaldo was terrific in the second half of the season. His mechanics have always scared me, but he would certainly be an upgrade over Hughes.

    The Yanks have to replace three starters. If two of the replacements are Ubaldo and Tanaka I’d be quite content.

  16. jmills October 19th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    On second thought, MTU,don’t go so fast…

  17. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    86-

    Do you believe Hal is gonna break the cap as has been rumored ?

  18. blake October 19th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Boy there isn’t a lot of star on this all star team

  19. blake October 19th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “For the same 52 M required to simply enter into negotiations with Tanaka, you could control Ubaldo Jimenez for 4 years. Sure, bid on Tanaka but your consolation prize has ace potential at a bargain price as well.”

    No way if commit anything big to ubaldo…..with his delivery he could go right back to sucking very quickly

  20. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Just read that the former director of Cards scouting Jeff Luhnow is currently the GM of the Astros.

    Why couldn’t we get him.

    :(

  21. jacksquat October 19th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    BA ranked Yankees last draft #3 overall. I’ll take that as a positive sign going forward.

  22. Doreen October 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    MTU

    I read they are thinking of bringing them up on charges and I hope they do. I had the same reaction as you. I don’t believe their story at all, and worse, the example they set for their troop members is reprehensible.

  23. jpb173 October 19th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    MTU October 19th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    I’ll believe Hal spends that kind of coin when I see it.

    ===========================================

    Me too!!! I don’t believe that Steinbrenner spent the last 3 years preparing for ‘$189M in 2014′ only to scrap it at the last minute. As I see it, all of the pain has either already occurred or is dialed in to the plan. The gain (financially) is about to be realized.

    The fact of the matter is that spending more doesn’t always guarantee winning. In the Yankees case it has bred organizational laziness that shows up in failure to develop young players. The Yankees need to learn to spend smarter.

    I fully expect the Yankees to spend some money on free agents but will stay below the $189 goal. I expect that Tanaka is a far greater priority than Cano. As a matter of fact, I would expect that the Yankees don’t really want Cano back for 3 reasons. First, he’ll cost too much for his age; second, his performance has been very good but not “out of this world”; and third, I don’t think they want him around as a role model for young players growing up. There is a basic difference between him and a guy like Derek Jeter both in the locker room and on the field.

    I would expect the Yankees to look to sign/trade for someone at 1/3 to 1/4 of the price who will give them 75%-80% of Cano’s production. I wouldn’t even be surprised if the Yankees addressed the 2B position via trade or FA before Cano signs anywhere.

  24. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Doreen-

    Unfortunately, in my wanderings I have seen many precious artifacts defaced.

    It’s heartbreaking.

    A couple of years ago a Utah Physician was convicted of trafficking in stolen antiquities.

    He was convicted and I think he committed suicide.

  25. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Blake,

    Still, 52 M for 4 years of a potential ace is better than 52 M for the right to negotiate with a potential ace.

  26. yankee21 October 19th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Wouldn’t go after Ubaldo. He had a good 2H but overall he is not the same pitcher he was for a year or so while he was a Rockie.

    Hughes was so bad in 2013 that a guy pitching to a 4.50 or so ERA would be an improvement, surely Phelps or Warren or some other guy the Yankees have done their typical half-ass job at pseudo-developing could fill that role and run with it.

    The Yankees need to go all in on Tanaka and do what it takes to convince Kuroda for another season. Yes he is a risk but he is young, has had big time success and they need a guy with upside.

    You then have a semblance of a pitching staff in Kuroda, CC, Tanaka, Nova, Phelps/Warren/Nuno/Pineda etc…

  27. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    “I bet Angels fans were watching last night thinking man….. Wacha was drafted with out pick…..and we have 250 million dollar old man Albert instead”

    Yeah…… but then they consoled themselves by thinking how they drafted Trout with the Yankees pick, and how we are now stuck with “old man Tex” :mad:

  28. yankee21 October 19th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    This is an interesting subject article. Despite all the attention on the minor leagues by Cashman and even some comments from Emperor Hal on the importance of minor leaguers (some names he memorized) stepping up they still cannot lay claim to any can’t miss prospects.

    Why after all this time can this organization not produce major league players? Why, when they need to fill pitching or positional holes does the organization always have to look externally?

    Why does Newman and most of the so called coaches in the minor league organization still have jobs with the Yankees?

  29. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “Why does Newman and most of the so called coaches in the minor league organization still have jobs with the Yankees?”

    I have been all over this one for quite some time.

  30. yankee21 October 19th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    It really is a worst case outcome for LAA in signing Pujols to a gargantuan contract only to see the pick they surrendered go onto big-time PS success and Pujols morph from an uber-player to a broken down remnant of his former self.

    And on top of this, you also give Hamilton 25 mil only to see him positively suck most of the year.

    Must be tough for Moreno to stomach.

  31. Against All Odds October 19th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Have the organizational meetings started yet or do they begin sometime next week?

  32. yankee21 October 19th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Lets see didn’t little Emperor Hal say there will be some changes to the development organization after the big “meeting” a couple months back?

    Still waiting for those changes Hal, not every Yankee fan is as stupid as you think they are, some people actually expect an owner to live up to his words.

  33. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Tough enough for Moreno that I would be giving my GM the heave ho for recommending it.

    And it is long past time for the Whiner-in-chief to have been sent packing too.

    It is nice to see the halos screwed as they had been one of our nemesis for a long time before now.

    Same is true for AA up in Toronto. He should be long gone.

  34. Doreen October 19th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    MTU,

    Sometimes I just don’t understand people…

    *****

    Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a crystal ball so we could see how things are going to turn out? :)

    To me every mov s a risk, just some risks are bigger than others, and some risks are more calculated. But even the best reasoned decisions can fall apart due to the human condition. And the reverse is also true, that sometimes in spite of all the reasons why something can’t or shouldn’t happen, it does anyway.

    The thing about baseball is it lends itself to so much of this type of unsurety. And it unfolds over time in a way much different from most other sports. More soap opera than sit-com (single episode, predictable scripts).

  35. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    21-

    Yes. Some people actually do.

    And some are actually paying attention.

    ;)

  36. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    That said I would love for young Stein to say to hell w the cap.

    I’ll be glad to apologize and eat a meal of warmed over crow.

  37. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    What if LAA signs Kuroda, do we get the 15th pick and can we draft a pitcher like Wacha?

  38. yankee21 October 19th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    I don’t fault Moreno for going for it. He at least cared enough to win that he was willing to put his fortune on the line, risking big-time, in order to better his team and the fan’s enthusiasm, experience.

    Even though it has not worked out to this point, doesn’t make what Moreno did necessarily wrong. At least he is trying. Unlike little emperor Hal, who seems to care only about 189.

    The fact you never see Hal at the ballpark interacting with fans tells you all you need to know about a guy who has nothing in common with Yankee fans passion.

  39. Bret The Hitman October 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Or if the Padres or Giants sign Granderson, can we get the 13th and 14th pick and draft a pitcher like Wacha?

  40. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Doreen-

    Most of the vandalism is done out of greed.

    There is money to be made selling that type of stuff on a black market.

    There are way too few people to try and stop it. It’s a huge wilderness.

    The penalties are actually quite stiff. That’s about all they can do to deter it.

    Nah. I like surprises. Especially pleasant ones.

    :)

  41. blake October 19th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Bret The Hitman says:
    October 19, 2013 at 10:19 am
    What if LAA signs Kuroda, do we get the 15th pick and can we draft a pitcher like Wacha?

    No…..the rules are different now. We’d just get a sandwich pick at the back of the first round and their pick disappears…..it doesn’t to to anyone

  42. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I would like to see them extend QO to both Granderson and Kuroda

  43. blake October 19th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    The pick doesn’t go to the FAs former team anymore…..it just goes away and the draft is condensed a pick…….which is why the Yanks actually could end up with a higher pick than #18 if they keep it and guys sign elsewhere. It’s possible they could end up 15th or 16th

  44. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Blake

    Do we get one pick per FA lost? Or just one pick over all?

  45. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Let’s say we made the QO to Hiroki and he decides to return to Japan.

    What happens then ?

  46. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Tar-

    1 per player.

  47. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    “Let’s say we made the QO to Hiroki and he decides to return to Japan.

    What happens then ?”

    We should extend a QO and a posting fee! :evil:

  48. blake October 19th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Tar says:
    October 19, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Blake

    Do we get one pick per FA lost? Or just one pick over all?

    Per. ….. That’s why they had 3 first rounders last year

  49. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Thanks MTU

  50. blake October 19th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    MTU says:
    October 19, 2013 at 10:31 am
    Let’s say we made the QO to Hiroki and he decides to return to Japan.

    What happens then ?

    We get zippo….. He has to sign with a MLB team to get compensation

  51. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Blake-

    That’s what I thought. Thanks.

    You’re welcome Tar.

  52. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    The Yankees should offer Alex up for posting to the NPB.

    He can accept a settlement offer of 100 games from MLB. The Yankees can make some money to spend on other players, and Alex can go to Japan for a year and mash to the delight of their fans.

    It’s a win win win situation :D

    Thats my story and I’m sticking to it.

  53. 86w183 October 19th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    I don’t pretend to have any idea what Hal will end up doing financially.

    I do think he is a smart guy and could eventually reach the conclusion that his quest for a payroll under $ 189 M was the right plan, but that it turned out to be penny-wise and pound foolish.

    Masahiro Tanaka, like anyone else is a risk, but it’s the smartest risk out there in terms of dealing with the luxury tax ramifications.

    IF Cano leaves I like the idea of Brandon Phillips. Gardner and some arms might get it done because the Reds could lose Choo and want Hamilton for 2B.

  54. yankee21 October 19th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    The Yankees need to extend a QO to Kuroda, Grandy and Cano.

    Although I believe Kuroda will go back to Japan he also might be interested in winning a ring in the ML before he returns. He has to understand the Yankees are probably no longer the means to do that so he may be interested in returning to LA for an encore before heading back to JP.

  55. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Maybe this is Hal’s calculus ?

    If I do not put a competitive Team out on the field I am going to lose a lot of money in lost attendance.

    Can I really do that by sticking to 189 ?

    If I can’t I’d better bust it and spend the dough.

    It’s simply a business decision.

    A cost/benefit analysis.

    I’m still very skeptical but I can also see that it is possible looking at it in that light.

    I’m ready to apologize Hal. I’ll be glad to do it.

    ;)

  56. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    86-

    I find we are synchronized.

    Who is your 3b ?

    :)

  57. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    MTU

    I really don’t see 189 as being Hal’s idea. Yes he is an accountant and it is a dollar figure, but thats it.

    More likely he may have asked the question…is it feasible? But its his Baseball people would have had to answer in the affirmative. Thats who I blame.

    He is not a Baseball guy, how would he know what the ramifications of substantially cutting payroll would be ( especially with the contracts on the books), if not advised by his Baseball people?

    There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that Cashman doesn’t want his legacy to be known as being a “checkbook” GM. What better way to refute that premise than by getting under budget while being the dumpster diving king?

    “I know my title is general manager, but I consider myself the director of spending for the New York Yankees.”
    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....e-1.150746

  58. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Tar-

    The Captain of a ship must always take responsibility for it’s ultimate fate.

    ;)

  59. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Time to walk the Mopsters.

    BIAW.

  60. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    MTU

    The Captain is Cashman, the owner of the good ship Yankees….. is Hal.

    Unfortunately there are icebergs dead ahead!

    :D Have a good day… have to run

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 19th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    “Going back to the last thread on Brandon Phillips. I can’t fathom Cano leaving, especially with the report Hal is ready to spend 300 M in contracts,”

    Bret – I have no idea whether or not the Yanks are going to go over the 189 but I can tell you that every time the Nostradamus parrot bar assured us that the Yankees were going into hell fire and damnation because of the 189 that they would NOT BREAK PERIOD, at least a few of us, I believe Doreen included, quietly mentioned that Hank had said that the 189 was not etched in stone. I believe we mentioned it quietly because the wrath of Khan was permeating the forum during those discussions and it’s never pleasant to come up against the wrath of Khan. :)

    Of course there are still some here who INSIST that the Yankees aren’t going to break the 189, and then we hear about the road to destruction.

    I am not thrown one way or the other, meaning if they go over that cap, good for us; if they stay with it, I hope they stay with it well. So I will say my secret vote (guess not so secret now, right?) is that they go over it just so the screaming heads who always know better about what the Yankees are going to do – the forum nostradamuses (or is it nostradami?)- will be forced to look like the out-of-control, know-nothing, screaming heads that they are.

    (Note – these are to be distinguished from people here who may have simply said they were worried that the Yankees were going to stay with the 189, and they noted their fears about what they thought might happen if that were the case.)

    Oh yeah – watch for the scrambling and excuse making from some if the Yanks do go over – such as it wasn’t a certain person’s decision, and that’s what they were talking about, yada yada yada.

    :)

    Later

  62. Against All Odds October 19th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    If they go over 189 then that’s great but as someone(sorry for forgetting your name) stated earlier they did not go through all of this over the past few seasons just to blow past it.

  63. mick October 19th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    So all who said all these years that the Yankees bought their championships were wrong?
    According to some here they were right.
    Now the gloom and doom squad is scared b/c the Yanks will have only the 2nd highest payroll in the land.
    Needless to say, it doesn’t have to be that way…
    We have never had to develop a farm system and rarely got a good draft pick, unless we got lucky.
    We will have talent this year and we will spend, just wait and watch.
    Our prospects are still a year or 2 away, if we can wait.
    We are new to that side of the game.

  64. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I am Nostradami !!!

    ( said in my best Tony Curtis Slave voice)

    :D

  65. mick October 19th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Could I be wrong?
    Of course, but I don’t care, I have no say in the matter last time I checked plus
    I don’t have to be right all the time like some here who remind us every day
    that they are and were even if they are wrong, god forbid…

  66. joeman October 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Red Sox get into WS they will win it

  67. mick October 19th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    They are not beating the Cards.

  68. joeman October 19th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    mick October 19th, 2013 at 11:43 am
    They are not beating the Cards.

    ———————-
    want to bet

  69. Doreen October 19th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    My feeling is if they’re going to do it, they need to stick with it no matter what throughout the 2014 season, so at least it won’t end up being an exercise in futility, with them ending up over budget and still no luxury tax relief going forward, and possibly no playoff to show for it anyway.

    But if after their meetings, and surveying the scene, and making the calls and trying to land good players who will fit the scenario, they determine that it’s not as feasible as they’d hoped, I’d want them to scrap the plan beforehand and go for broke.

  70. joeman October 19th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    can’t count how many times I played 189 in the daily numbers

  71. MTU October 19th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Perhaps 189 will just turn out to be another failed experiment.

    Guess we’ll see.

    ;)

  72. Duh Innings II October 19th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Great, an “all-star team” with not one player who could play for the big club next year or 2015 and in some cases 2014-16 save maybe Murphy and Betances who might be a backup catcher and last reliever in the bullpen, respectively.

    What a barren farm system, barren because it’s nice that it has alot of players 2 or 3 years away but here’s the problem with that: will any of them who “make it” be good enough to stay?

    I fell into the trap of thinking this team needs 2014 only stopgaps and now I realize the plan I was pushing for is the one the Yanks should go with, and that’s this all-homegrown starting nine:

    C – Romine $500K
    1B – Adams $500K
    2B – Jeter $9.5M in his walk year
    3B – Jagielo $500K
    SS – Pena $750K (reacquire him)
    LF – Almonte $500K
    CF – Gardner $5M in his walk year
    RF – Cabrera $8M in his walk year (reacquire him)
    DH – Soriano $5M in his walk year

    $30.25M total for the starting nine, $27.5M of that off the books after 2014

    Murphy backs up Romine for $500K
    Ryan is re-signed to back up at 2B and SS for $3.5M
    Reynolds is re-signed to back up at 1B and 3B for $4M
    Melky Mesa is re-signed to be the fourth outfielder for $500K

    $8.5M total for the bench, $40.75M total for the offense.

    Trade Teixiera and $22.5M ($7.5M a year) so he costs his taker only $45M for three years and the Yanks clear $15M for the 2014 payroll.

    Release Suzuki and Wells (eat the $8.9M they’re due for 2014.)

    $8.5M cleared with Burnett off the books
    $45M cleared trading Teixiera
    $22M cleared from Rivera and Petttitte retiring 75.5
    $67.275M cleared letting go of Cano, Granderson, Kuroda, Youkilis, Hughes, and Hafner
    $86M cleared from A-Rod being suspended for all of 2014 then retiring after 2014

    $137.775M cleared for 2014 + $91M cleared for 205-17 =
    $228.775M cleared for 2014-17 – $8.9M eaten from releasing Suzuki and Wells =
    $219.875M cleared for 2014-17

    Let the Yanks win 65-75 games in 2014. Players will be lining up to sign with them after 2014 with all the $$$$$$$$ the Yanks will have to give them.

  73. Duh Innings II October 19th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Romine should be an upgrade from Stewart.
    Adams could be an upgrade from Overbay.
    Jeter would be a downgrade from Cano only if he has a 2010 Jeter or worse season – otherwise the Yanks don’t miss a beat save defense.
    Jagielo could be an upgrade from the parade of 2013 Yankees 3B.
    Pena would be an upgrade from the parade of 2013 Yankees SS.
    Almonte should be an upgrade from Wells.
    Gardner is Gardner.
    Cabrera would be an upgrade from Suzuki.
    Soriano would be an upgrade from Hafner.

    So actually, fu ck the 2014 Yanks winning 65-75 games.

    With the right bullpen additions – I’m thinking Balfour, Howell, and a re-signed Logan for Balfour/Robertson/Howell/Logan/Kelley/Warren/Phelps because the starting nine and bench would be so cheap – I think the 2014 Yanks could easily win 90-95 games and at least the second wildcard slot, and who says they couldn’t trade for a bat or two and/or a pitcher or two?

  74. Duh Innings II October 19th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Remember this:

    The 2013 Yankees won 85 games with the following players getting the lion’s share of plate appearances:

    Stewart, Romine, Overbay, Nix, Nunez, Wells, Suzuki, Hafner, injury riddled Granderson, Jeter, and Teixiera, shadow of himself Rodriguez

    So why not see what Romine, Adams, and Almonte with a year of MLB experience under their belts (albeit a short year) and Jagielo could do?

  75. yanks61 October 19th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Tar, you and Joeman have your obsessions! Joeman with Gardy and you with Cash! :) Hey, I’m just tweaking you. You’re both great posters with excellent BB knowledge.

    I’ve worked in several big corporations and I can tell you that I’ve never known a manager of any department who wanted his staff or his budget reduced so that he could prove he could make more with less! Quite the reverse. In my experience, they always lobbied for more people and more dough!

    Sure, you could be right. But why should Cash shake the boat and take a big risk for the sake of a rep, when he’s always been paid to do it with money and is well liked by his employers for doing it that way? George Weiss did it that way – with bucks and the KC A’s as his unofficial farm system to boot – and the guy is in the HOF!

  76. Hankflorida October 19th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    Duh, there is no need to for Hal to not spend next year. A-Rod, Jeter, Granderson, Youk and Text were out of the lineup due to injury this year, and the question that should be be asked is how much of their salary was picked up by insurance? Like A-Rod, Albert Belle had hip problems and was unable to play, and the insurance company picked up most of his contract. If the insurance money lowers the cost of doing business, the luxury tax of going over the cap is small potatoes to Hal and should not in any way alter his plans to build a winning ball club. I can understand if Hal does not want to give Cano a ten year contract and let’s him go, but if that happens, Hal has to go after players to replace the loss of Cano with shorter contracts by opening up his pocketbook and pay no mind to the cap.

  77. Shame Spencer October 19th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Against All Odds October 19th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    If they go over 189 then that’s great but as someone(sorry for forgetting your name) stated earlier they did not go through all of this over the past few seasons just to blow past it.

    —————-

    If they go over, the last two off seasons become clear mistakes.

    When it comes to the budget, there’s no winning side. If they go over this year, great. If they do it smartly, awesome. I hope it turns the org around immediately. But it doesn’t erase that they wasted two potential WS contending teams for nothing in that case. They didn’t meet their goal AND they washed out two years of baseball. It also proves on some level that the FO is or has been at an impasse. Again: not great – even if we get what we want by them blowing off the budget.

    If they don’t go over, they need to find a way to play this as smartly as possible and (most importantly) plan long term. The very worst thing this team could do is what it did last off season. The band aid approach is not going to work for this club.

  78. ron October 19th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    They should,at the very least,reset the lt rate to 17% because the last thing in the world you wan’t is,for them to blow the 189 away,and still have a bad team,and then being taxed at 50% going forward,wich is an increase of 10%, wich is no big deal considering the lt threshhold goes up to 189,but it is the rebates,and the total savings that is the big picture.

    I just don’t see a way that we can sign all these great players that are needed,even if the money was there.
    I think the goal should be to get better,but make smart moves,at all costs.
    Was it smart to sign arod to a ten year deal when he would of taken 8?
    Those two years less of arod would mean his contract ending after 2015,instead of 2017.

    Cano should have been traded for a busload of top prospects,and don’t tell me it could not have been done.Even if I get 2 elite prospects,while avoiding a very unwise signing,i take it.
    We already milked the great years out of cano,and he knows it,and want’s to be compensated.Take a cue from the cardinals not signing pujols.

    At least arod put fans in the seat.
    Certain players,surrounded by controversy do that.
    Reggie,arod,etc…

    You only need 2 big bats in a lineup,great pitching,and most important,a balance.
    Look at the dodgers,tigers,angels,etc…Then look at the rs,cardinals,etc…

    You don’t need an arod,cano,and a 20 million dollar player at every position.
    The rs would be out of it without Napoli.
    Prospects are breaking out in sports at a younger age.Look at harper,trout,machado,harvey,etc….The Yankees have to be more aggressive at promoting their top prospects.
    Austin,banuelos,etc…,have got to be fasttracked.

  79. joeman October 19th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    after this season ends they have to get right on the Cano situation, make him their best off if he refuses then move on….there is nothing they can do about Arod, this will carry on into winter of 14.

  80. Against All Odds October 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    We are new to that side of the game.

    ———————

    New to the side of the game after 8 yrs???

  81. Tar October 19th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Yank61

    No offense taken.

    I real don’t think the whole 189 concept is Hals idea. So that led me to think of possible suspects…..

    ““I know my title is general manager, but I consider myself the director of spending for the New York Yankees.”

    is telling in light of all the circumstantial evidence out there don’t you think?

    Did you read the article by Maddon on Cashman and being a “checkbook GM”. There are other article’s out there as well, if you google it.

    I didn’t come up with this idea first, ( at least I think I didn’t :wink: ) paid professional journalist did. But I am certainly going to get as much life out of it as I can. :D

  82. BIG AL October 19th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    The person that keeps saying there should be civility on the blog, comes out once again insulting everyone that does not bow down to her way of thinking.

    It really is kind of funny, the person that complains the most about being attacked, is the very same person that starts the negativity. Go figure!

  83. Against All Odds October 19th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    Very well said Shame especially in regards to wasting two yrs and not being active enough when they could have.

  84. mick October 19th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    It really is kind of funny, the person that complains the most about being attacked, is the very same person that starts the negativity.
    ===========================
    What negativity was started?

  85. BIG AL October 19th, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    mick -

    “I am not thrown one way or the other, meaning if they go over that cap, good for us; if they stay with it, I hope they stay with it well. So I will say my secret vote (guess not so secret now, right?) is that they go over it just so the screaming heads who always know better about what the Yankees are going to do – the forum nostradamuses (or is it nostradami?)- will be forced to look like the out-of-control, know-nothing, screaming heads that they are.”

  86. mick October 19th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Al-

    My question was , What negativity was started?

    Why can’t people say what’s on their mind?

    There didn’t appear to be any followup of negativity, only opinions in general on a variety of other topics.

  87. mick October 19th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    In any case, most of the past arguments have been based on the smug, harping negativity of some constant complainers who feel the need to remind people how smart they are with every post they make.

    This condescending method can indeed be taken personal, of course, in a more subtle manner than the overt attacks you speak of.

  88. BIG AL October 19th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    mick -

    OK, so in your mind, if I speak my mind, and say negative things about those that have opinions that differ from mine, it’s not negativity. I’ll have to remember that for my future way of thinking. :)

    The only reason there was no follow-up, is because those that the comments were directed at may not be on the blog at this time, perhaps.

  89. BIG AL October 19th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    mick -

    Are you now saying the smug people that feel they are always right do not have the same right to voice their opinions?

    That’s funny, because the person I referred to seems to fall into that very same mold, lol.

  90. BIG AL October 19th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Later Mick, I have to run, you have a blessed day!

  91. mick October 19th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Are you now saying the smug people that feel they are always right do not have the same right to voice their opinions?
    ==========================
    Al

    No. Did not mean to imply that, if I did, am sorry.
    Just saying that it is a 2 way street and that some will always rub others the wrong way.
    The method might be different but the result is the same.

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