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Lessons learned from the Red Sox

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 26, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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The Yankees started their organizational meetings this week, conveniently discussing the state of the organization just as the World Series was getting started. What specific lessons can the Yankees take from each World Series team? We looked at the Cardinals yesterday. Now we’ll handle the Red Sox.

If you build it, you can rebuild it
Just last year, the Red Sox were the worst team in the American League East. They dealt with some injury problems, and their manager didn’t seem like a great fit, and their pitching didn’t hold up, and so the front office blew it up. They traded away Kevin Youkilis mid-season, traded for Craig Breslow at the deadline, and completed a massive August salary dump by sending Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez and Nick Punto to the Dodgers. It was a drastic overhaul that let the Red Sox give playing time to prospects and spend money on guys like Shane Victorino, Stephen Drew and Mike Napoli. The rebuilding effort took one offseason and largely redefined the team by filling holes around a few cornerstone players. One lesson to take away would seem to be about properly defining the foundation. The Red Sox picked their guys — Pedroia, Ortiz, Buchholz, etc. — gave up others, and then largely redefined themselves with relatively small-money players like Jonny Gomes and Koji Uehara. The roster’s biggest names were there for the bad times, but putting a better cast of characters and role players around them made all the difference.

Some short-term risks pay off
The Yankees have taken a bit of a beating for the short-sighted signings of guys like Kevin Youkilis and Travis Hafner, a pair of veteran players who were coming off down seasons and carrying significant injury risk. Those signings blew up in their faces when they struggled and wound up on the disabled list. Thing is, the Yankees have seen that sort of signing pay off in the past with Eric Chavez, and the Red Sox saw it pay off in a big way with Napoli. There were also performance risks that came with a three-year deal for Victorino, and a guaranteed starting job for Drew, and a relatively minor trade for Mike Carp. Had those moves not worked out, there would have been a lot of I-told-you-so reactions. But the risks worked, and the Red Sox were better for having those risk-reward players on the roster.

Prospects require patience, even at the highest levels
The Yankees shouldn’t need a reminder about this. They shipped off Tyler Clippard before trying him in the bullpen, then saw him emerge as a terrific reliever in Washington. They did the opposite with Dellin Betances — moving him out of the Triple-A rotation this season — and might have discovered their own potent young reliever. Brett Gardner went through some growing pains. So did Dave Robertson. And Ivan Nova still might be going through them. Some young guys take time, even at the top, and if the Yankees needed a reminder, they can find it in Boston. Will Middlebrooks had a strong rookie year, then hit so poorly this season that he was shipped to Triple-A. He returned in early August and hit .276/.329/.476 the rest of the way. Jose Iglesias hit .118/.200/.191 in 25 Major League games last season (and his .624 OPS in Triple-A was hardly impressive). Then he emerged as a Rookie of the Year candidate this season.

Bullpens require options, alternatives and backup plans
The Yankees had a fairly consistent group of relievers this season, but let’s not forget that Shawn Kelley was barely even supposed to make the team, much less emerge as the go-to seventh-inning reliever. And let’s not forget Adam Warren spent roughly the first half of the season constantly on the verge of a demotion before solidifying himself as a reliable long reliever. Bullpens are hard to map out in the offseason. Plans are put in place, but there have to be alternatives, and the Red Sox certainly proved that point this season as they went through a series of late-inning relievers before settling on Koji Uehara as their closer. As the Yankees try to rebuild their bullpen this offseason, it will be important to think well beyond seven names in defined roles. The good news for the Yankees is that they have quite a few young relief options already waiting in the wings, guys who might not be counted on going into spring training, but guys who could emerge as essential pieces during the season.

Jarrod Saltalamacchia might have figured it out
The Yankees lived through this season with light-hitting catchers. It was more or less according to plan — the names changed, but the Yankees knew they were playing with defense-first catchers — and that lack of offensive impact proved costly when a few other positions were less productive than expected. Now the Yankees could stick with the same plan behind the plate, or they could go shopping for a catcher who can hit. And there really aren’t a lot of those. Red Sox catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, though, is an offense-first catcher who’s still in his late 20s and might have taken a real step forward as he’s entering his prime. He showed his power during his previous two seasons in Boston, but now he’s heading into free agency having just had a career year with a much-improved batting average and on-base percentage. He wasn’t as much of a one-dimensional hitter this season (though he is still best as a platoon bat). It’s not a lesson in how to run a franchise, but it might have been an up-close audition for a player who could fit for the Yankees next season.

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242 Responses to “Lessons learned from the Red Sox”

  1. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    today I make the sauce using the San Marzano Tomatoes ..meatballs sausage & pork

    about 5pm enjoy with a bottle of Ruffino Chianti Classico Riserva Ducale Tan

  2. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I hope the RS get their ass kicked tonight

  3. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    today I make the sauce using the San Marzano Tomatoes ..meatballs sausage & pork

    about 5pm enjoy with a bottle of Ruffino Chianti Classico Riserva Ducale Tan
    ——————————-
    YUM!!!!

  4. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    as we all know the NYY have a lot of holes that will be tuff to fill them all without a Band Aid fix here and there…to me unless you can get your starters to go 7+ the bullpen is a need for a solid team….includes a 7 inning,8th inning & a closer with a solid LHRP…..

  5. exiledintampa October 26th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Maybe their biggest change but wasn’t noted. Firing Valentine and getting Farrell.

  6. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    exiledintampa October 26th, 2013 at 9:20 am
    Maybe their biggest change but wasn’t noted. Firing Valentine and getting Farrell.

    ————————————
    that was huge…they weren’t going to play for him

  7. blake October 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Maybe if LA would bail us out that woukd help.

    Jokes aside Cherington has done a masterful job…..

  8. Bret The Hitman October 26th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I miss Bobby Valentine. I was so happy for them when he was hired.

  9. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    blake October 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    Maybe if LA would bail us out that woukd help.

    Jokes aside Cherington has done a masterful job…..

    —————————————-
    as you said he found a team to play with him

  10. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I honestly don’t see the Yankees making any trades of consequence….they really don’t have the pieces to do that and the pieces they do have, they need to keep ie. Nova, Gardner, Robertson……….they need to sign IFAs, the best FAs that did not get tendered, and resign Cano if they can for 6 years. Keep building that farm system with high picks………

  11. blake October 26th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Bret,
    Next time you have a hot date and want to spend the day somewhere take her up to grandfather Mtn then to eat at the gamekeeper. It’ll be a fun day

  12. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    GregD, how was Germany?

  13. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Paul Beeston and the Jays were too nice. Instead, refuse to trade Farrel to Boston, let the sux go searching elsewhere until they commit, then, fire John’s sorry a$$!

  14. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    I should have fired Farrel after the first year and put Francona in place.

  15. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Bon jour.

    Don’t take the how to avoid being ugly lesson from the Sux.

    ;)

  16. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    jmills—–Germany was great……..I took a cooking class with my work team one night at an old restaurant….made ravioli from scratch…. :) quite proud of myself :)

  17. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Terry Francona sure did rip up his leg bad when he was with the Expos.

  18. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    “I think there is a place for it all and the key is finding the balance that works for you.”

    blake-

    well said. when each individual takes the responsibility for their health then everything available is open to them. but they have to spend a lot of time learning about health and deciding what to do.
    most people don’t want to take that responsibility. they just ask a doctor what to do and do it.

    at a time around 200, i was playing serious golf and taking a lot of supplements to help in a sports performance way, the golf pro at my home course in sarasota after watching me routinely hit 320 yard drives at age 50 asked me to give him a list of what supplements i took. then he said, no, just go buy me everything you take, and i’ll reimburse you.

    i tried to explain to him that i was taking things specifically for me and that i’d give him a few books to read so he could come up to speed on what he should decide to take for himself. he didn’t like that idea at all,and i ended up giving him some no brainer basic things to take, but it never took hold with him.

    one thing i did to help with at that course was that all kinds of players would routinely take ibuprofen and drink alcohol as their after golf evening routine. i pointed out that was a recipe for liver damage.
    of course if they had read the label they would have known that

    people do a lot of crazy things with over the counter pain relievers.

  19. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    GregD, me and mine are glad you had a good time; lord knows, it doesn’t always work that way :)

  20. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Manfred Mann

  21. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “I’m maxing doing the mortgage in, I can’t afford organic and its lofty assertions”

    jmills-

    just buy organic stuff that tastes like tree bark; it’ll cut down on how much you eat and spend

  22. blake October 26th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    For example ….a good balance for me is eating a lot of BBQ and never going to the doctor :)

  23. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    jmills—–thanks a bunch!!!

  24. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    MTU, who gets the sux? Why make a national disgrace of oneself?

  25. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    “Maybe their biggest change but wasn’t noted. Firing Valentine and getting Farrell.”

    that was huge.

    farrel knew what made lester tick.

    he helped create lester .

    taught him to command the fastball before anything else.

  26. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “a good balance for me is eating a lot of BBQ and never going to the doctor”

    with all the talk of BBQ on this blog, i am definitely going to work some organic BBQ into the equation :)

  27. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    I don’t even like it when ex RS players play for the NYY..

  28. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Boz Scaggs

  29. blake October 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “people do a lot of crazy things with over the counter pain relievers.”

    Many of the overdoses from prescription pain relievers aren’t from the narcotic part…..it’s from the Tylenol that’s also in there. 1 Lortab or Vicodin pill has 500 mg of Tylenol in it…..the max dose for a day is 3,000mg…. You take 6 of them in a day and your over the limit .

  30. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    ” Manfed Mann ” joe, I knew I could count on you.

    Randy, I’ll keep that tree bark thing in mind :) I eat pretty light and healthy, actually.

  31. mick October 26th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    taught him to command the fastball before anything else.
    ==============================
    maybe taught him how to Doctor it.

  32. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I need the Jaguars to keep it within 10, the Giants to beat the Eagles and the Saints to win by 3 touchdowns…..is that too much to ask?

  33. austinmac October 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I thought the Red Sox got lucky, the Dodgers saved them etc.

    They were as bad off, at least on the major league level, as we are now. Let’s see if Cashman and crew can also turn around the sinking ship.

    Our biggest problem is probably the utter lack of replacements coming up, particularly offensively. I get they now have a million holes in the pitching staff, but at least that area has some possible prospects. I hope they remember the offense.

  34. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Randy-

    FWIS diet and exercise might be able to help you live a fuller, higher quality life.

    But I am not so sure they extend life all that much.

    You’re lucky because your Dad is over 90.

    To me that means you have excellent genetics and will likely be around a long time.

    Especially if you do things in moderation.

    Take my case as another example.

    Having just had an angiogram and being told my arteries look like the Amazon.

    That is basically an accident of birth. In fact one artery is a healthy 2x’s the size of normal.

    Carrying way more blood to my heart.

    The Cardiologist told me that almost no matter what I eat I will never ever get coronary artery disease.

    Like it or not some things are just accidents of birth and the luck of the draw.

    That does not mean I am advocating no exercise and a shi*ty diet just that genetics plays the major part IMO.

    And good morning by the way.

    :)

  35. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Boz Scaggs is roaming my house somewhere.

  36. blake October 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    MTUs recipe for good healthy is Southwest food, whiskey , and hiking

  37. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65EoK4OelZU

  38. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    this time of the year the wine comes into play..

  39. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    blake-

    i was just reading how tylenol has such a small window of being the right dose and the taking too much and causing liver damage and maybe even death.

    people who take it really need to understand that.

  40. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Everbody, make sure you get your carotid ultrasounds. No need for nasty surprises.

  41. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Blake-

    And good genetics.

    Which I had absolutely no control over.

  42. mick October 26th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    So these ticket prices are for the rich season ticket holders?
    What about the peons or masses that are the ones complaining about being priced out of the 3-4 games they’d like to attend?
    MTU said this smells like Levine. He might be right…

    It’s sort of like being a member of a club or a family you no longer can stomach.
    What do you do>

    Wait for it to implode? That could be a long wait.
    Start a new club, maybe your own? That could be impractical.
    It’s between a rock and a hard place, right MTU.
    Maybe he has found the answer….

  43. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Lowdown!!! I’m singing late at night in Central park,…people think I’m, craaaaazy :)

  44. jacksquat October 26th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    The Red Sox got lucky. Lucky that the Dodgers bailed them out and lucky that nearly every move they made worked out well.

  45. mick October 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Speaking of toxicity, this place will erupt if another “bad” trade goes down.
    There is an underlying current of hatred that should be eliminated and can be if
    certain parties recognize that superiority and condescension best suits the World Wrestling Federation and not a Yankee blog.

    It’s hard to deny that the juices get flowing when a “bad” trade goes down and the blog hits go up but this other stuff is hard to swallow.

    If it continues and the quality of life here deteriorates any further I will be forced to take hiatus until it improves. To some , this would give them cause to further inflame here, as it is their goal to drive away those they disagree with.

  46. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    And another factor which IMO is often very overlooked is your support system and your spiritual well being.

    Some people neatly package that as “will to live”.

    :)

  47. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    FREDDY FENDER “Wasted Days and Wasted Nights

  48. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    how about a Mega Red

  49. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Joe, bring that case of wine, we don’t fool around like we used to. Keith Richards, that geat heroin moderater.

  50. blake October 26th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    i was just reading how tylenol has such a small window of being the right dose and the taking too much and causing liver damage and maybe even death.”

    Tylenol can be very acutely dangerous……ibuprofen is more of a chronic concern if you take it over a long period of time…..it’s not as dangerous I shorter uses.

    The limit for Tylenol used to be 4,000 my per day …..it’s been lowered recently because it’s a big problem

  51. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    I have Freddie Fender’s greatest hits, and Jimmy Buffet’s, too. Fun consumption.

  52. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    “It’s between a rock and a hard place, right MTU.
    Maybe he has found the answer….”

    We shall see Mick.

    We shall see.

    Possibilities abound.

    I agree with Blake though.

    Whatever direction the Yankees choose.

    They should “pick a lane”.

    I’m fine with either.

    ;)

  53. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    All I take is Aleve or Naproxen

  54. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    little Afrin this time of year

  55. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    also PassionFlower to keep me in the zone

  56. mick October 26th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    It’s between a rock and a hard place, right MTU.
    Maybe he has found the answer….
    =========================
    You didn’t get that did you MTU.

    Did you know it was Travis Alexanders best friend who knocked those rocks over?

  57. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    I hope the world doesn’t get so ” green ” conscious that F1 comes down to electric entities. Its enough they don’t have gear boxes anymore. Ayrton Senna would clean the snot out of these present day ” warriors “.

  58. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    No Mick sorry.

    I’m a little slow on the uptake sometimes.

    I got ya’ now.

    Aaron Ralston was his buddy ?

    ;)

  59. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    they move DRob to the closer role a big need is a solid 8th inning RP…any love here for Oliver Perez for LHRP

  60. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    fing knee is on fire today..

  61. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    “Tylenol can be very acutely dangerous……ibuprofen is more of a chronic concern if you take it over a long period of time…..it’s not as dangerous I shorter uses.

    The limit for Tylenol used to be 4,000 my per day …..it’s been lowered recently because it’s a big problem”

    blake-

    all the kidding aside that goes on here on the blog, info like this is really good to pass on.

  62. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Lou Rawls anybody?

  63. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    jmills October 26th, 2013 at 10:04 am
    Lou Rawls anybody?

    ———————————-
    did see him twice..

  64. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ijL2tljdI

  65. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Joe, at least the knee replacements are what they are today. Orr is back on the ice! He was basically a criple. Bobby Clarke said he’d never seen someone play through as pain as Orr gave to his country in the ’76 Canada Cup – tourney MVP

  66. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    Lou makes my feet move a little

  67. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    ” As much pain as “

  68. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Lol, fun conversation over the last couple threads.

    I missed chicken’s picture… hopefully he’ll be around for the game tonight or tomorrow to share. Something tells me crazy eyes are involved.

  69. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    anyone here carry a man bag

  70. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Lessons learned from the Sux.

    Lesson # 1.

    Treat all of your players as if they were part of your stock portfolio.

    ;)

  71. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    blake – I’m watching the Pioneer Woman as we speak. She made a brisket earlier using a marinate of ketchup, packets of french onion soup, and hot sauce. Sounded a little on the sweet side for me, but I’d devour anything this woman cooks.

  72. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    no man bag……

  73. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Shame-

    I hope I don’t have to gargle w Salt water after this OS.

    ;)

  74. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    In one of my yard hunts, I got a live double album of Rawl’s. What some fools over look.

  75. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I think Randy Levine should always be dressed in plaid.

    And I think Newman should wear a bag over his head and stand in the corner all day.

    ;)

  76. jmills October 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Crap, its pissing outside, and I have to get the snow tyres in the Subaru, and, I have a dmn work function tonight. Later.

  77. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    @WheresKernan I ask Molina if his hand hurts from #stl flamethrowers and he shows me his torn glove http://nypost.com/2013/10/25/c.....nas-glove/

    That’s some serious heat.

  78. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    I put Lady Love on for my wife to do a little stepping ..

  79. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    need a NCAA football lock today..anyone

  80. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....or-yankees

  81. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    MTU – According to my grandmother, I’m supposed to do it every day! Gargling is the only remedy I was ever equipped with.

    joeman – Not a man, so no man bag here.. but perhaps you could use a woman’s assistance? Do you need a new man bag?

  82. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....or-yankees

  83. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I was hoping the Yankees would make some major changes to their Org after this season but it looks like they are just going to do a nip-and-tuck instead.

    That’s generally what happens w the Peter Principle in operation.

    The sh*t rolls downhill and you pick off the easy targets always avoiding those really at fault.

    ;)

  84. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    jmills… One A Million You

  85. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Shame-

    You might want to let her know that out West it’s “Yodeling”.

    :)

  86. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Hal listens to the Man from Plaid.

    :)

  87. austinmac October 26th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    One of today’s papers said the Yankees were leaking willingness to spend so players will wait until the AROD mess is resolved. Sounds like a wish and a hope to me. They cannot wait until late December to act.

  88. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I’m a Yankee Vampire.

    I need some fresh blood.

    ;)

  89. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    “blake – I’m watching the Pioneer Woman as we speak. She made a brisket earlier using a marinate of ketchup, packets of french onion soup, and hot sauce. Sounded a little on the sweet side for me, but I’d devour anything this woman cooks.”

    She’s making me fat. I made her corn casserole the other day…..it’s amazing. Pretty much everything I have tried on her blog has been awesome except the chicken parm……and it wasn’t bad or anything it was just one of those things that wasn’t good enough for the effort it took. Her steak fajitas are te bomb

  90. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:21 am
    I’m a Yankee Vampire.

    I need some fresh blood.

    ————————
    just as long as it’s not any ex RS

  91. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD4eGDmrb4w

  92. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    I gauge things I cook based on whether it’s better than I can get at a restaurant…..if i don’t think it’s at least as good if not better then I usually don’t make it again…

  93. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Mac-

    “They cannot wait until late December to act.”

    They are going to have to act pretty soon.

    Tender offers and QO’s are the beginning.

    But yeah. I’m w. you I hope the a-Rod mess doesn’t inhibit their plans.

    I very much doubt it will.

    For example, if they want Tanaka I don’t think he is affected by what happens w A-Rod.

    I also hope the Cano negotiations don’t drag on.

    ;)

  94. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....detailpage

  95. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    I can totally see the Yankees waiting around all winter on cano and then having to sign leftovers in January to fill out the roster

  96. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    When are the qualifying offers due?

  97. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    Blake-

    I’m gonna get me some Dickey’s BBQ today. Turns out they started in Texas in 1941.

    I’ll let you know what I think.

    And by the way, they do brisket.

    :)

  98. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Greg-

    I believe they have to be in shortly after the WS ends.

    Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.

  99. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    MTU ,
    It’s probably pretty good…..I checked out their website. Yes let me know.

    Greg,
    I think the the offers have to be made within 5 days after the WS ends and then the player has 7 days to accept or decline. It’s close to that if those aren’t the exact numbers

  100. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Blake-

    There are a lot of contingencies.

    Just hope chewing bubble gum and walking are possible.

  101. austinmac October 26th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    I think QOs are due five days after the Series ends. Then, the players have about a week to accept.

  102. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    MTU- The Yanks make QOs to Granderson, Cano, Kuroda….anyone else?

  103. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    MTU,
    Their brisket is probably better than Arby’s anyway

  104. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Greg-

    I think that gets it.

    Earlier in the season I thought Hughes would have been on that list.

  105. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    I love Parker’s barbecue in Eastern North Carolina

  106. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    GregD says:
    October 26, 2013 at 10:34 am
    I love Parker’s barbecue in Eastern North Carolina

    Been there….it’s legit

  107. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Winter meetings are in early Dec.

    That’s when the framework of a lot of deals get done.

  108. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Blake…….if you ever go to Greenville, try Bee’s Barbecue…….they are good too

  109. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Yankees are expected to have about 15 mil in Tenders according to Sherman.

    I believe he had an article out on it the other day.

  110. austinmac October 26th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Greg,

    I have to believe no one else gets one but the three you mentioned.

  111. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    GregD says:
    October 26, 2013 at 10:35 am
    Blake…….if you ever go to Greenville, try Bee’s Barbecue…….they are good too

    NC or SC?

  112. austinmac October 26th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    MTU,

    I don’t understand your $15M in tenders comment.

  113. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Blake —- North Carolina

  114. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    15 million in arbitration guys?

  115. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Greg,
    Ah….there is a Grenville NC, SC , and even TN :)

  116. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Army beats Navy today in Sprint Football!!!!!

  117. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    blake – I have trouble with Italian recipes that come from outside the northeast lol.. it’s a sweetness thing. I’ve noticed gravy in other places has a much sweeter quality than I’m used it. It’s similar to what you’d get in a jar, there’s a strong sweet tomato flavor I’m not a huge fan of. Which probably sounds pretty funny since all gravy is made from tomatoes.

  118. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Oh oh, excuse me.. you people probably call it sauce and not gravy. My tribe refers to tomato sauce as gravy.

  119. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Mac-

    I refer to the all the guys in Arb status who are likely to be kept by tendering them offers.

    Ex, GGBG, D-Rob, etc.

    Comes to an estimate of about 15 Mil from what I read.

  120. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Here is the article MTU is referencing: http://nypost.com/2013/09/24/t.....ons-ahead/

    “That would leave a little more than $100 million to spend, and you can subtract about another $14million-$16 million to reach agreement with the arbitration-eligible Brett Gardner, David Robertson, Ivan Nova, Shawn Kelley and Francisco Cervelli. We can assume another $3-$4 million for five or six non-arbitration players such as David Phelps and Adam Warren.”

  121. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Francisco Cervelli are they really going to bring this guy back…I mean what for

  122. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Thanks Shame.

    Here’s another good summary from MLBTR :

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nkees.html

  123. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    October 26, 2013 at 10:42 am
    Oh oh, excuse me.. you people probably call it sauce and not gravy. My tribe refers to tomato sauce as gravy.

    Lol yea gravy where I’m from has sausage or bacon grease in it

  124. RhapsodyInBlue October 26th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Shame a decent recipe for Sunday gravy:

    Time: 1 hour 20 minutes

    For the meatballs:

    1 1/2 pound ground chuck

    1/2 cup Italian bread crumbs

    1/2 cup finely grated Parmesan or Romano cheese

    2 large eggs

    1 teaspoon garlic powder

    1 teaspoon dried basil

    1 tablespoon dried parsley

    Salt and black pepper

    For the sauce:

    1/4 cup olive oil

    1 onion, peeled and chopped

    6 to 8 cloves garlic, peeled and chopped

    3 links hot sausage

    3 links sweet sausage

    4 spare ribs, cut into individual ribs

    3 28-ounce cans tomatoes in tomato purée

    1 12-ounce can tomato paste

    2 tablespoons dried parsley

    1 tablespoon dried basil

    1 teaspoon dried oregano

    Salt and pepper.

    1. Prepare the meatballs: In a large mixing bowl, combine ground chuck, bread crumbs, cheese, eggs, garlic powder, basil and parsley. Season with salt and pepper to taste. Add 1/4 cup water, and mix until well blended. Shape into meatballs about 1 1/2 inches in diameter; set aside.

    2. Prepare the sauce: Place a large, wide pot over medium-high heat, and add olive oil. When oil is hot, add onion and garlic, and stir until onion is softened and garlic is lightly browned. Working in batches, brown hot sausages, sweet sausages, spare ribs and reserved meatballs. Transfer browned meats to a platter or tray. When all the meat is browned, return it all to pot, over medium heat.

    3. Place tomatoes and their purée in a large bowl. Crush them by hand into small pieces, and add to the pot. Add tomato paste; fill empty can with water, and add water to pot. Add parsley, basil, oregano, and salt and pepper to taste. Simmer uncovered for 1 hour or as desired. Serve over pasta.

    Yield: 6 to 8 servings.

  125. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Lol yea gravy where I’m from has sausage or bacon grease in it

    ——————-

    Our gravy has sausage in it to!… the only question is hot or sweet. ;)

  126. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    all this talk of food is making me hungry :)

  127. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Shame,

    I guess maybe I need more Italian genes to make good Italian food…..it just never comes out quite right now me

  128. RhapsodyInBlue October 26th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Shame I use both hot and sweet.

  129. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    RIB – Not bad at all. I like adding chicken or beef stock instead of any sort of water (any type of stock is better than water, IMO) and I like starting with some hot red pepper flakes.

  130. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Welcome to the cooking channel folks.

    :)

  131. austinmac October 26th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Ah, arbitration guys.

  132. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    blake – I always thought Italian cooking was the simplest there was. Everything starts with oil and garlic lol.

  133. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    That sounds good I might have to try that

  134. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Can you believe that Nova only costs around 3 Mil ?

    And the Grister around 4 ?

    Awesome.

    Keep them.

    Terrific value.

    :)

  135. blake October 26th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    October 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
    blake – I always thought Italian cooking was the simplest there was. Everything starts with oil and garlic lol.

    I can do the pasta part…..it’s the sauce and getting the crust right on the meat that troubles me.

  136. RhapsodyInBlue October 26th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Shame, my brother in law born in northern Italy raised in north Boston ( diehard Sox fan) owns a local restaurant with my sister. He uses all his family recipes. Christmas eve at their home is always a feast to look forward to.

    I love Italian although I try to limit my visits to the restaurant to one time per week or I’ll be wearing spandex pants.

  137. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Cutting the acidity and sweetness of the tomato is the hardest part. It all comes down to letting it cook down and making sure you add the right amount of spices and meat (a lot).

    I’m terrible at making marinara because there’s no meat in it lol.. my dad makes a great one, I have no idea how.

  138. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    Mac-

    Around here we call ‘em “Tenderfoots”.

    :)

  139. pat October 26th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “Shame a decent recipe for Sunday gravy:”

    No legitimate Sunday gravy has a recipe. “a pinch” and “a little bit”and “a bunch of” are the only measurements allowed. :wink:

  140. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Sunday Sauce…
    picked fresh peeled San Marzano Tomatoes
    Fresh Basil
    Garlic
    salt & pepper..

    —————————–
    anything else is crap

  141. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    blake – Gotta make sure the oil is real hot.. its a balance because when you start off with the garlic (and herbs and pepper, if you like) you want it at a low simmer. Burning the garlic has ruined many pots of gravy before they’ve even gotten started! Once they’re browned though, you turn up the heat and sear the meat quickly so the flavor stays in, but don’t worry about cooking it through. Just get that sear on, take the meat out and plan to add it back in to cook through while the gravy cooks.

    RIB – Visits to my grandma’s every Sunday put me in spandex pants (I swear we were all born round in this family) so I empathize!! Thanks for the recipe!

  142. blake October 26th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    This is probably sacrilege to some of you but a really easy spaghetti sauce that I make and the kids love is this:

    Mix:
    1 jar of Ragu traditional
    1 12 oz can of hunts tomato paste
    1 can of water (the paste can)
    Onion powder ….few shakes
    Garlic powder …..few shakes
    1 lb of browned and seasoned 90/10 ground beef

    Put it a crock pot on high for around an hour until it bubbles then turn it to low and simmer like all day or until ready to eat…..the longer it cooks the richer the sauce gets. I stir in a teaspoon of sugar an hour before serving .

    It’s not homemade but it’s pretty good I think

  143. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    No legitimate Sunday gravy has a recipe. “a pinch” and “a little bit”and “a bunch of” are the only measurements allowed. :wink:

    —————–

    pat speaks truth!! You should see what some of my ‘recipes’ look like. Once my brother stood next to my grandmother while she cooked and he took everything she was throwing in and put it in a measuring cup. He was mocked mercilessly by the family. It’s practically sacrilegious to use measurements lol.

  144. blake October 26th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Oh I have ruined plenty of things burning garlic…..it’s pretty much unsalvagable if you burn the garlic

  145. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Time to walk the Mops.

    Back later.

  146. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    JAP and fem are sorry they’re missing this conversation, I promise.

  147. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    blake – I’ve met some folks who doctor sauces similar to the one you posted. It’s really not terrible but you save money by using tomato puree (also, sometimes the ingredients of jarred sauces leave something to be desired, health wise). I wonder what your gravy would taste like if you substituted one for the other. I think you’d end up with something similar.

  148. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    @Buster_ESPN In the last 12 World Series, the team that has won Game 3 has gone on to win the WS 11 times.

    So… no pressure!

  149. Giuseppe Franco October 26th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I see a wide range of topics this morning – health, man bags, BBQ, flu shots.

    I can’t cook for sh!t, so I envy those of you who can do more than boil water, stick something in the microwave, or open a can of tuna.

    Since my illness a few years back, I have grown ultra health conscious as you might expect. It must be working because I haven’t had so much as a sniffle in 3 1/2 years.

    I don’t eat fast food and usually stay away from pre-packaged frozen foods. I do my best to limit my consumption of sugar and I take plenty of vitamins. And I eat a truckload of protein per day (250g to 400g).

    As important as anything, though, I’ve become a gym rat.

    I don’t agree with joeman very often but oatmeal is indeed a staple for a healthy breakfast. Check out the diets of hardcore lifters in Muscle & Fitness and Flex magazines and 75% of them eat eggs and oatmeal for breakfast every morning.

    No man bag, though. The only bag I carry around is my gym bag. I’d probably get mauled by my lifting buddies if they saw me with a man bag.

  150. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I would love to learn how to make the gravy or sauce……….I usually just heat from a jar…….

  151. Ys Guy October 26th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    so those $5 obstructed view bleacher seats they talked about so much when NYS opened (which were an architecural blunder to begin with) are now up to $15 dollars.

    thank goodness for the secondary market making tickets available at their actual values or i’d pretty much never go to a game. i still havent paid more than $35 for a ticket to a ballgame ever (including a playoff game.)

  152. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    fresh tomato sauce should be just that..no dried anything in it..nice and simple fresh products in it…again fresh San Marzano tomatoes fresh basil, fresh garlic,salt-pepper

  153. Ys Guy October 26th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    make a roux, add drippings and season to your liking.

    done.

    next week: how to rid the world of all known diseases….

  154. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    When I was a kid I loved salt in my oatmeal… I’d probably still love it now but I have a better handle on things like death so I try to steer clear.

  155. GregD October 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Joeman – Clemson is a lock

  156. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    can use the San Marzano tomatoes in a can in a pinch but can has to say DOP on it…

    stands for Department Of Protection

  157. Ys Guy October 26th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    MIZ-ZOU!!!! GO TIGERS!!!

  158. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    joeman – I normally agree that fresh ingredients are better but dried usually works just fine, especially for slow cooking wet dishes. When using dried, I like to crush them up further before using them. Unlocks more of their concentrated flavors. Garlic and basil though, should really always be used fresh. My dad has a basil plant, and it’s probably the most useful thing in the house besides tv.

  159. Ys Guy October 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    nobody got the monty python reference, i must be the oldest person here… :(

  160. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Ys Guy October 26th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    so those $5 obstructed view bleacher seats they talked about so much when NYS opened (which were an architecural blunder to begin with) are now up to $15 dollars.

    —————

    Really don’t understand that either… then again, I don’t understand why those seats exist to begin with.

  161. Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Alright all, I’m out for the day – have a good one and GO CARDS!!!!

  162. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Shame Spencer October 26th, 2013 at 11:25 am
    joeman – I normally agree that fresh ingredients are better but dried usually works just fine, especially for slow cooking wet dishes. When using dried, I like to crush them up further before using them. Unlocks more of their concentrated flavors. Garlic and basil though, should really always be used fresh. My dad has a basil plant, and it’s probably the most useful thing in the house besides tv.

    ——————————————
    your dad is a smart man…this sauce can be made in 30 mins no need for it to cook for 6 hours

    please watch this..then show it to your father he’ll enjoy it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bku-UfZ1SoA

  163. Ys Guy October 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    i own a restaurant and we make pretty much everything from scratch and use all fresh ingredients and even i’m amazed at the compliments we get. it seems that so many restaurants now use packaged, pre-sliced, pre-mixed and even pre-cooked products that when customers actually taste a scratch made biscuit, they almost burst into song.

    occasionally i go to restaruant depot to buy paper goods or cleaning supplies and i see at the checkout that all the restaurant people are buying pre-cooked soups, sauces and even pancakes! (if you cant cook your own pancakes you should be drummed out of the restaurant industry permanently.)

    also, the industry has such an over dependancy on salt that it’s increadible. in most restaruants i’ve worked at, they go through cases of salt in no time. i open a box of salt about every two months.

    real taste amazes people because they generally get so little of it.

  164. blake October 26th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    “blake – I’ve met some folks who doctor sauces similar to the one you posted. It’s really not terrible but you save money by using tomato puree (also, sometimes the ingredients of jarred sauces leave something to be desired, health wise). I wonder what your gravy would taste like if you substituted one for the other. I think you’d end up with something similar.”

    Yea I’m sure it’s not the best sauce in the world but it’s easy and can be made with 3 rug rats running around you ;)

  165. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 26th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    “i do not trust the the medical community because of the simple fact that doctors don’t even take one class in nutrition ,but if i break a leg i’m heading to the nearest emergency room.”

    Nothing like keeping up with the times Randy. Nutrition classes are required in most medical schools and have been for a while.

    And not all MDs are the same. My primary care doctor is big on both vitamins and preventive medicine. He checks vitamin D levels regularly. At the same time, he’s not reticent to write out a prescription if one is needed.

    Without going into huge detail, I spent quite a few years of my life at Dana Farber and am living because of conventional medicine. There were no vitamins that were going to help my situation. Mine wasn’t genetic, but many serious diseases can be. And if you have some genetic disease, no amount of “living right” is going to keep it away from your door. And to take it one step further, online health forums are full of people who talk about how they were vegetarians, ate nothing but organic foods, and still contracted serious illnesses. I read them every day.

    Many years back, when people lived slower-paced lives and in then conventional families and life styles, foods weren’t as processed and there was nowhere near the amount of stress there is now. Especially living on the east coast (as opposed to in the Midwest) we live a faster-paced life. It’s just the way it is. If you’re one of the lucky ones who has the time and money to stop and do everything right – and that’s still no guarantee that you’ll never contract a serious disease and/or need conventional medicine – that’s just wonderful. But not everyone has that same luxury. Talk to people whose homes are in foreclosure because the economy has done them in. Tell them not to be stressed out and to find the time and money to eat only whole foods, to get out in that sunshine, to sit around and ohmmmm, and never to get sick.

    For those who want to live a certain life style and can afford to do so, financially and otherwise, that’s fine. But don’t look down on people who don’t have the wherewithal to be their own doctors. Not everyone is blessed with high intelligence, not everyone has the time or wherewithal to research everything and then make an informed decision. When people are sick, more often than not, they head to the doctor. And while you might want to belittle medical doctors and pharmaceutical companies, I think of them as my best friends because without a doctor in a lab somewhere doing some serious research, and without Genetech pharmaceuticals, I’d be dead today. No food or vitamins were going to stop what I had going on. And while that might be the preference of some here, I’m happy to be alive.

    And I research like crazy by the way, and take a whole host of vitamins and probiotics. But I will head to the pharmacy with a prescription whenever I feel the need. And I’ll get my flu shot annually since the flu kills more people than the flu shot does.

  166. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Joe Kelly takes the Sux to school tonight.

    Ever notice how Carpenter, Wainwright, Wacha Wacha, and Kelly all have similar body builds and pretty similar arsenals.

    Think that’s an accident ?

    ;)

  167. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    ys guy-

    cooking from scratch or doing anything from scratch gets you down to the basics, to the truth in things.

    my business model is individual crafts people or artists making something from scratch. in my business there are fake handcrafts because people pay a premium for the real thing. same in your business. restaurants dangle made from scratch but the food really isn’t made from scratch.

    to carry this over to baseball, what baseball teams put out a product made from scratch?
    the cardinals maybe. the red sox a little . the yankees right now certainly not.
    in baseball, it would mean growing your own.

  168. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Trisha-

    Science produces the most reliable knowledge known to Mankind.

    It restricts itself to things that can be verified or verified in principle.

    I thank you for your input to me in the past regarding a serious situation in my sphere.

    Much appreciated.

    It pays to consider good advice in all it’s forms.

    Which I am sure you do.

    :)

  169. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Be eclectic.

    It’s good for ya’.

    Heck, it’s even good for Baseball Teams.

    ;)

  170. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 26th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    And as a sister to a doctor who flew medical missions all the time and brought conventional medicine to people who lived in pestilence and would have died without it, I have some insight into the medical world and western medicine. It’s not all bad – even for people who don’t live in pestilence.

    My dad once contracted endocarditis from chopping wood and getting a bacterial infection from a small cut he got while chopping the wood. He had developed heart valve problems from rheumatic fever when he was in the service, so the bacterial infection traveled to his heart. He ended up in the hospital and on IV antibiotics for 6 weeks. He was on death’s door when he got to the hospital so no sunshine or eating right was going to help him.

    ******

    blake, I am not sure about the whys or wherefores but I do know that flu primary shows up in the winter months. That’s the reason they give flu shots closer to the winter.

  171. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    “Nothing like keeping up with the times Randy. Nutrition classes are required in most medical schools and have been for a while.”

    ” the National Academy of Sciences published a landmark report highlighting the lack of adequate nutrition education in medical schools; the writers recommended a minimum of 25 hours of nutrition instruction. Now, in a study published this month, it appears that even two and a half decades later a vast majority of medical schools still fail to meet the minimum recommended 25 hours of instruction.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09......html?_r=0

  172. tomingeorgia October 26th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    First frost here this morning, still chilly out, so I have a yellow cake in the oven as we speak, and fudge icing ready. I used to do it from scratch, but found that a team of me and Betty Crocker do it better and with less of a mess.

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 26th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    MTU, it just really aggravates me when I see people paint a broad brush around western medicine and look down on people who go anywhere near it. If the average intelligence level in the US is at the third grade, can you imagine people figuring out how to research this stuff and being their own doctors?

    And I’m sure these advocates, if they started to have severe chest pain, wouldn’t make their way to an emergency room.

    :roll:

    We hear stories all the times about kids who drop dead at sports practices or sporting events and later it’s found out that they were dealing with some congenital condition their parents knew nothing about.

    If a congential condition leaves someone susceptible to having a heart attack, that person will truck it to an emergency room or hospital if severe pain shows up – make no doubt about it.

    That said, have a great day.

    ;)

  174. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    We get free nutritional advice right here from a trained nutritionist.

    Thanks Bret.

    I’ll be getting some of the items you mentioned yesterday.

    Particularly the pro-biotics one.

    :)

  175. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 26th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “still fail to meet the minimum recommended 25 hours of instruction.”

    Which does not say that they are not teaching nutrition in medical schools – which is what you said.

  176. Against All Odds October 26th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Sure this was discussed before but any thoughts on Opp being brought back?

  177. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    “not everyone has the time or wherewithal to research everything and then make an informed decision”

    trisha-

    unfortunately, in our information age, if someone can’t learn to research things and make informed decisions, they are going to be at a disadvantage .

    information is power.

    and so far we’ve had hours of interesting discussion on the blog without anyone calling anyone anything negative.

    a lot of sides of the issue have been discussed and with humor and respect for different approaches. why do i think the temper of the discussion is about to change with you entering it ?

    my position is that i learn everyday. i think if someone thinks they already know it all, they don’t have a clue because it’s an ongoing learning experience.

  178. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Trisha-

    As I said before my approach is eclectic in nature.

    I try not to close my mind to anything that might be helpful.

    I am going to try to use various modalities of treatment as appropriate.

    There are certainly some things that people do, or don’t do that surprise me.

    I am a big believer in preventative medicine.

    It’s way better to avoid something if you can than have to cure it after it shows up.

    It’s like a car in a way.

    If you neglect it. Don’t do the maintenance, etc.

    When it finally breaks it often breaks really bad.

    So you go pennywise and pound foolish there.

    ;)

  179. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    AAO-

    It looks as though he is coming back.

    Whether or not that is a good thing is another matter ?

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 26th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Yes, sincere thanks to Bret. I absolutely believe in supplementing with vitamins and minerals because I know that stress alone robs us of immune-system protection. So to read it from someone who is actually hands on is very valuable.

    I’m out.

    GO CARDS!!!

    (starting early)

    :)

  181. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    I am still hoping Newman gets the axe.

  182. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    i think if someone thinks they already know it all, they don’t have a clue because it’s an ongoing learning experience.
    =================================
    are you a hypocrite or what?
    you haven’t seen a dr , maybe twice, in 40 years and you pretend to know what’s going on inside of you?

    as far as temper goes, maybe you should check you own..

  183. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue October 26th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    Yes, sincere thanks to Bret. I absolutely believe in supplementing with vitamins and minerals because I know that stress alone robs us of immune-system protection. So to read it from someone who is actually hands on is very valuable.

    I’m out.

    GO CARDS!!!

    (starting early)
    ———————————
    don’t get me going

  184. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    I know what’s going on inside my body.

    I’m getting older.

    :(

  185. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    “Which does not say that they are not teaching nutrition in medical schools – which is what you said.”

    the point is doctors know very little about nutrition .

    as for pharmaceuticals:
    http://articles.mercola.com/si.....in-us.aspx

    Prescription drugs are now killing far more people than illegal drugs, and while most major causes of preventable deaths are declining, those from prescription drug use are increasing, an analysis of recently released data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) by the Los Angeles Times revealed.

    The Times analysis of 2009 death statistics, the most recent available, showed:

    For the first time ever in the US, more people were killed by drugs than motor vehicle accidents
    37,485 people died from drugs, a rate fueled by overdoses on prescription pain and anxiety medications, versus 36,284 from traffic accidents
    Drug fatalities more than doubled among teens and young adults between 2000 and 2008, and more than tripled among people aged 50 to 69

  186. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    I know what’s going on inside my body.

    I’m getting older.

    ———————
    every second too

  187. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    “are you a hypocrite or what?
    you haven’t seen a dr , maybe twice, in 40 years and you pretend to know what’s going on inside of you?

    as far as temper goes, maybe you should check you own..”

    mick-

    yeah, i’m real unhealthy :)

    anyone ever tell you and trisha that you’re both kind of grumpy.
    maybe you need both an antidepressant :)

  188. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Joeman-

    Yup. As we speak.

    But I’m going to try my best to resist.

    :)

  189. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 26th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    “a lot of sides of the issue have been discussed and with humor and respect for different approaches. why do i think the temper of the discussion is about to change with you entering it ?”

    I guess because I was seriously ill I resent anyone telling others to run from doctors and pharmaceutical companies (not that you did that) or suggesting that living a certain way will keep one from ever getting seriously ill. Because it’s just not true. And I’ve given examples of people who did everything “right” and still got seriously ill.

    I’m leaving the discussion anyway.

    I, like MTU, believe in trying different modalities. I’ve had acupuncture, I’ve gone to naturalists, and I’ve gone to conventional doctors.

    I certainly respect different approaches.

    You made a misstatement about nutrition in medical schools and I corrected it. They may not teach as much as the “writers” have recommended, but they do teach it.

    And you’re right. People who can’t research are at a disadvantage. But that’s probably more than less.

  190. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    Joeman-

    Yup. As we speak.

    But I’m going to try my best to resist.
    —————————
    they call it holding back the years

  191. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    How many people are walking around with diabetes, high blood pressure and bad cholesterol and don’t even know it?

    A fear of going to a Dr, based on not wanting to know what’s going on ,which is based in fear, and denial, is worse than going and keeping an open mind and listening to someone who might know more about the inner workings of the body than you do.

  192. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    A fear of going to a Dr, based on not wanting to know what’s going on ,which is based in fear, and denial
    ————————————————————–
    that is about as true as it gets

  193. Giuseppe Franco October 26th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Against All Odds October 26th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Sure this was discussed before but any thoughts on Opp being brought back?

    —–

    Never been a big fan of NoMaas but I think a couple of their tweets last night pretty much summed up my thoughts.

    ———

    NoMaas

    ?Oppenheimer stays? Sigh.

    NoMaas ?

    Good thing they fired the strength and conditioning coach.

  194. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Mick-

    “How many people are walking around with diabetes, high blood pressure and bad cholesterol and don’t even know it?

    A fear of going to a Dr, based on not wanting to know what’s going on ,which is based in fear, and denial, is worse than going and keeping an open mind and listening to someone who might know more about the inner workings of the body than you do.”

    Unfortunately I know several people who are Dr. phobic.

    A real shame IMO.

    :(

  195. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    mtu-

    you got an education you didn’t want to get with your pup with bad drugs.

    there’s no easy answer to this stuff. i wouldn’t hesitate to use pharmaceuticals for myself or a loved one if i thought it necessary. but yes a preventative approach is best.

    we live in a time where you do have to have some intelligence to navigate your way through all the contradictory information. it’s unfortunately just the way it is.

    the best thing you do are those hikes. i think we all envy you being able to do them as a daily part of your life.

  196. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    A fear of going to a Dr, based on not wanting to know what’s going on ,which is based in fear, and denial
    ————————————————————–
    that is about as true as it gets
    ——————————————————–
    Tell it to Randy as we fear for his health (even tho he stays away from junk food).

  197. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Unfortunately I know several people who are Dr. phobic.
    ===========================
    Again, MTU, tell this to Randy who worries about others more than himself. :)

  198. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    only meds I ‘m on now is my thyroid med which I’ve been taking since 1993…when I turned 50 they put me on BP meds which I am now off because of diet change and exercise..at the Doc office every 6 months….I kind of enjoy going there to see whats up

  199. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    “Unfortunately I know several people who are Dr. phobic.”

    mtu-

    yeah, but there are sick people at the doctors office and hospital.

    who wants to go there. you might catch something :)

  200. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    joeman

    still like sox in 6?

  201. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    not going to the Dr also shows a lack of trust
    maybe not finding the right Dr as well

  202. tomingeorgia October 26th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    MTU,
    I try to stay away from people with knives, in general, but occasionally you need one.

    My cake is out, definitely unhealthy, and I’m going to eat it anyway. Smells good as it cools.

  203. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    joeman

    still like sox in 6?

    ———————————-
    LOL..I was on here most of the morning and wondering when someone would bring it up….

    there is a method to my madness ….answer is yes

  204. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    I did see Dr Phobic once and he was surprisingly effective.

  205. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    LOL..I was on here most of the morning and wondering when someone would bring it up….

    there is a method to my madness ….answer is yes
    ===============
    yet, you hope they get crushed tonite…strange duck.

  206. joeman October 26th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    LOL..I was on here most of the morning and wondering when someone would bring it up….

    there is a method to my madness ….answer is yes
    ===============
    yet, you hope they get crushed tonite…strange duck.

    ————————————–
    old saying if you want someone to lose really bad bet on them

  207. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    mick and trisha-

    i have an idea.

    how about the three of us not speak to each other and let the blog go on as it was.

    if we interact we’re just going to start telling each other what as$%holes we think the other is :)

    seriously, when we start going off on each other that’s the end of whatever was going on with the blog.

    i could less about what either of you do with health or anything else. i know you feel the same way.
    so let’s use a little self control and not clog the blog with our infighting.

  208. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    seriously, when we start going off on each other that’s the end of whatever was going on with the blog.
    =======================
    would hate to interrupt the nutrition or cooking sessions.

  209. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    i could less about what either of you do with health or anything else.
    ========================
    then why concentrate on her eating habits?

  210. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    the biggest threat to my health is the desire for BBQ that blake and tomingeorgia have planted in my brain :)

  211. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    i know you feel the same way.
    ======================
    speak for yourself.
    i asked why you don’t check your BP, cholesterol and blood sugar, didn’t I?
    your refusal to answer is enough of an answer to me.

  212. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    then why concentrate on her eating habits?”

    actually i think she knows as much about food and health as she knows about baseball :)

    now that was mean. now do you see my point about us not interacting ?

    for the sake of a civil blog,i shall try my best to withhold responding to either of you from this point on :)

  213. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    randy needs to influence others.
    hopefully one of his “followers” won’t heed his poor advice and not get a flu shot and die b/c of it.

  214. mick October 26th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    for the sake of a civil blog,i shall try my best to withhold responding to either of you from this point on
    ===============
    wouldn’t it just be easier for you to leave?
    permanently this time :)
    :)

  215. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Tom-

    All things in moderation.

    You need a doc you see a doc.

    You can prevent an illness. You prevent it. or catch it early.

    That is what scientific advancement offers us.

    It amazes me that there are people who do not go for regular checkups out of fear.

    Or take preventive tests because they may be squeamish or misguided.

    or won’t take an x-ray because they think they are always bad for you.

    I get on my soapbox sometimes when these things are concerned.

    I have seen my share of tragedy, which I know could have been avoided or lessened, because of them.

    Some very smart people sometimes do some very dumb things.

    ;)

  216. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    “that’s all i ever desired, randy. however, you always feel the need to harass other posters.”

    CR(9)-
    i have something for you, massachusetts harassment laws:

    Section 43A. (a) Whoever willfully and maliciously engages in a knowing pattern of conduct or series of acts over a period of time directed at a specific person, which seriously alarms that person and would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress, shall be guilty of the crime of criminal harassment and shall be punished by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than 21/2 years or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment. The conduct or acts described in this paragraph shall include, but not be limited to, conduct or acts conducted by mail or by use of a telephonic or telecommunication device or electronic communication device including, but not limited to, any device that transfers signs, signals, writing, images, sounds, data or intelligence of any nature transmitted in whole or in part by a wire, radio, electromagnetic, photo-electronic or photo-optical system, including, but not limited to, electronic mail, internet communications, instant messages or facsimile communications.

    (b) Whoever, after having been convicted of the crime of criminal harassment, commits a second or subsequent such crime, or whoever commits the crime of criminal harassment having previously been convicted of a violation of section 43, shall be punished by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than two and one-half years or by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than ten years.

  217. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    You need a doc you see a doc.
    ===========
    Can’t be afraid of the Doc, that’s for cowards.
    In fact, you should rough him up a little at times, they actually like to be challenged
    altho trained not to be.

  218. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Some very smart people sometimes do some very dumb things.
    ==================
    If not for the smart part, I would of thought for sure you were talking about Randy.

  219. blake October 26th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    also, the industry has such an over dependancy on salt that it’s increadible. in most restaruants i’ve worked at, they go through cases of salt in no time. i open a box of salt about every two months.”

    Salt is a lot cheaper than spices….. Same with commercial BBQ rubs…..

  220. blake October 26th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    randy l. says:
    October 26, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    the biggest threat to my health is the desire for BBQ that blake and tomingeorgia have planted in my brain

    Hey everything in moderation. It won’t hurt you :)

  221. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Mick-

    They can save lives. That’s their job.

    Doesn’t hurt to be skeptical or ask questions. It’s your health after all.

    Some revere their Physicians too much. Others not enough.

    It’s like the Yankees. Find a balance.

    ;)

  222. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    for the sake of a civil blog,i shall try my best to withhold responding to either of you from this point on
    =========
    :) But you will initiate, won’t you :)

  223. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Blake-

    And even if does you die w a smile on your face.

    :)

  224. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    And speaking of health I’m out for now.

    Off to the health food store to get some of things that I think are good suggestions.

    :)

  225. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    They can save lives. That’s their job.

    Doesn’t hurt to be skeptical or ask questions. It’s your health after all.
    ===============
    MTU-

    The new folklore is to avoid them.
    This was the practice our grandparents used when the mortality age was about 60-65.
    So many are walking time bombs, not knowing what is wrong with them, hoping to get lucky.
    Seems backwards and antiquated to me, esp in these days of knowledge thru the internet.

  226. blake October 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    “And even if does you die w a smile on your face.”

    Exactly

  227. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    Agreed Mick.

    1000%.

    I can also see the virtue in good nutrition.

    So that is why I am headed out.

    Catch you all later.

    :)

  228. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    “randy needs to influence others.
    hopefully one of his “followers” won’t heed his poor advice and not get a flu shot and die b/c of it.”

    mick-

    trash talking with you aside, anyone who was taking part in the discussion this morning knows that i believe each person needs to educate themselves and make their own decisions about what’s best for them.

    and no one has a clue today what will be the right way to go five years from now. everything is evolving and changing.
    this means constant ongoing open mindedness and learning.

  229. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Now let’s get back to cooking or nutrition…..

  230. tomingeorgia October 26th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    MTU,
    I’m near seventy and take no drugs, maybe an aspirin or two when the hip acts up. Wasting a lot of money on Part D.

    Last went to the doctor (outside of the regular annual) when Mrs. Tom noticed a funny mark on my back. I worked outside, shirtless, mostly, in the summer, for many years. Came out clean, for which I was thankful. Oh, I went another time when I got a spam for a free trial of a legit drug, helpful, but costly!

  231. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    All things of this natured can summarized by risk and reward.

    There is no perfect system.

    It’s up to the individual to make their own determination and to live accordingly.

    I’m really gone this time.

    ;)

  232. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    trash talking with you aside, anyone who was taking part in the discussion this morning knows that i believe each person needs to educate themselves and make their own decisions about what’s best for them.
    ====================
    so your advice to yourself is to be in denial?

    how does that coincide with this?

    “this means constant ongoing open mindedness and learning.”

  233. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    “yanksinsd October 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    calm down, randy. im not going to get into this with you. the police told you there’s nothing that they can do. let it rest”

    CR(9)

    actually once we have your name and address you’re going to jail.

    care to share it and test your theory that there is nothing the police can do about your harassment of over twenty posters on this blog .

    and what’s up with you seeming to show up so often with mick and trisha?

    personally that’s my clue , civil discourse is over.

  234. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Oh, I went another time when I got a spam for a free trial of a legit drug, helpful, but costly!
    ====================
    Think I know what that is…

  235. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    “All things of this natured can summarized by risk and reward.

    There is no perfect system.

    It’s up to the individual to make their own determination and to live accordingly.”

    mtu-

    yup , that’s it .

  236. randy l. October 26th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    “so your advice to yourself is to be in denial?”

    to myself, “randy, step away from the keyboard ” :)

  237. yanks61 October 26th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Trish, Mick, MTU, Joeman and others.

    I was a medic in the army and have the highest respect for the doctors I worked for. Of course they aren’t all the same, aren’t all as good as some others. But you find the one you think helps you best and you go to him him or her on a regular basis. It’s folly not to at least listen to their advice. It’s further folly not to get blood tests and the flu vaccine.

    I really appreciated the nutrition discussion earlier. Bret has a lot of great ideas. But they’re still no substitute for those tests, exams and doctor visits. I thought that I ate in as healthy a way as possible, weigh the same as I did pitching in college, exercise on a regular basis and just found out on my last blood test that I’ve gone over the maximum healthy cholesterol limit.

    With my doctors agreement, I’m now taking natural steps to cut down on LDL, including improving my diet even more by adding even better foods and eliminating or cutting down on less healthy foods (butter, ice cream, stuff like that.) If I hadn’t gotten the yearly blood test, I wouldn’t have had any idea that I needed to take these steps.

    As has been stated, not taking advantage of all that modern science has given to us just doesn’t make sense. If you’re not happy with the advice you get from the first doctor you see, by all means get a second opinion. But don’t avoid doctors because of fear or because you think you’re invulnerable. You’re not.

  238. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    yanks61

    well said.

    funny how some mistake stubbornness for intelligence or openmindedness.

    they really work in opposite directions.

  239. blake October 26th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    I bet folks from the 1800s that ate a totally organic and non processed diet wish they had had modern medicine! Maybe more folks would have lived past 40 :)

    Everything that’s been mentioned has merit…..I think the main thing to remember is that medicine and medications aren’t designed to negate the need for a healthy lifestyle……they are meant to fix problems that the patient can’t or won’t fix themselves

  240. mick October 26th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    funny how what comes across as quackery are these whole food, supplemental, ginseng, herbal solutions.
    they might work but they sound like some flaky , holier than thou BS that only losers espouse.

  241. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    OK Blake-

    The verdict is in.

    The Ribs were great. Got them right out of the smoker.

    The Polish sausage was also excellent.

    The Brisket was acceptable but not great. Nice flavor but a little too dry.

    I told the Manager and he gave me a free dish even though I wasn’t looking for one.

    The side dish of jalapeno beans was fantastic as was the home made cole slaw.

    I’m gonna go back and try some of the others some time.

    I barely used the sauce as I prefer the natural flavors and taste.

    I was so inspired that I also bought a brisket and some St. Louis style ribs (in honor of the Cards).

    I’m turning that lot over to my friend to smoke. In return he gets to share half the bounty.

    :)

  242. MTU October 26th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    New one ——->


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