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MLB seeking dismissal of A-Rod “witch hunt” lawsuit

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Oct 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

If you want Yankees drama these days, it’s best to do a daily Google search for Alex Rodriguez. Here’s the latest on his saga from The Associated Press.

Yankees Orioles BaseballNEW YORK (AP) — Lawyers for Major League Baseball are seeking a speedy dismissal of an Alex Rodriguez lawsuit accusing the league and Commissioner Bud Selig of trying to drive him out of baseball, according to a letter sent to a judge Monday.

U.S. District Judge Lorna G. Schofield in Manhattan agreed that lawyers on both sides could make their formal requests by Nov. 8. A hearing is scheduled for a day earlier.

Jordan Siev, a lawyer for Rodriguez, wrote in a joint letter to the judge from lawyers on both sides that MLB lawyers planned to ask that the lawsuit be dismissed.

He said lawyers for the New York Yankees third baseman would ask that the case be remanded to state court in Manhattan, where Rodriguez had filed it early this month before the league removed it to federal court. Siev said the requests by the league and Rodriguez both concern whether the lawsuit’s claims fall outside or are pre-empted by the Taft-Hartley Act, known formally as the Labor Management Relations Act.

In the lawsuit, Rodriguez accused the league and Selig of going on a “witch hunt” designed to force him out of the game. The Major League Baseball Players Association has filed a grievance to overturn a 211-game suspension given to Rodriguez by MLB on Aug. 5 for alleged violations of baseball’s drug agreement and labor contract. A ruling in a case being heard by arbitrator Fredric Horowitz is not likely before winter.

The three-time AL MVP claimed in his lawsuit that MLB and Selig targeted Rodriguez to cover up Selig’s alleged past inaction on performance-enhancing drugs. The lawsuit claimed Selig hoped to redeem himself by going after Rodriguez.

At the time the lawsuit was filed, the league called the action “desperate” and a violation of the confidentiality provisions of the league and union’s Joint Drug Agreement.

A lawyer for the league and Selig referred a request for comment Monday to an MLB spokesman, who did not immediately respond.

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128 Responses to “MLB seeking dismissal of A-Rod “witch hunt” lawsuit”

  1. 86w183 October 29th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Who cares?

  2. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    “Morning all…..I’m not very happy with the baseball gods right now”

    blake-

    snap out of it.

    the breakfast club needs you and mtu.

    this is no time for sitting in front of the refrigerator on the floor with BBQ ribs all over the floor around you.

    man up.

    we need you

    plus the red sox haven’t won anything yet. the cardinals are a pretty good team. it ain’t over till it’s over.

  3. Tackelberry October 29th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Well, if the Cards can win game 6 they have a good shot. Peavy has not been great this postseason and with the pressure of a potential game 7, anything can happen.

  4. mick October 29th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    desperate…

  5. Tackelberry October 29th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    in any case, the Hot Stove season officially gets underway no later than next Wednesday.

  6. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    i think it’s pretty obvious that the “ortiz cheats or doesn’t cheat” doesn’t inspire much productive conversation on the blog.

    i’d make him move at the plate just because that’s the way the game has been played forever.

    that said, the yankees are the ones we care about and what they’re going to be doing in the next month.

    if they don’t have a good month, i’m guessing they’re pretty much screwed for the next year.

  7. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Obviously, Arod news needs to hit on an off day lol. MLB is a mess sometimes. Do they even have PR people?? I’d make a better one.

    And the whole discussion last night should have been focused on why the Cards should have been pitching around Ortiz and not why if the Red Sox win the WS it won’t count or something lol.

  8. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    shame-

    gomes and nava are hitting behind him and he get’s three hits?

    gomes and nava?

  9. 4TrainNorth October 29th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Will be interesting to see how Wacha goes after Papi in his first AB. I don’t care how hot he is–Wacha’s got the stuff to make him uncomfortable; bit does he have the stones?

  10. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    randy – It was stupid pride.

    I get that guys like Wainwright believe in their stuff. If you’re a big league pitcher, you better. But stop with the measuring contest and get the job done. There’s no reason to pitch to him with that line up.

  11. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    What Wacha should do is pitch around him. I think Wacha can win a game 6.. I just really don’t think the Cards can take two in Fenway.

  12. 86w183 October 29th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Just hit Big Sloppy in the butt with every pitch and you are already World Champs.

    I don’t think 75 % of baseball fans care at all about PED use. I know I don’t.

  13. blake October 29th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Randy,
    I’ll give it a shot ;)

  14. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    shame-

    i would be going crazy if i were a cardinal fan with ortiz getting pitches he can hit.

    if i were a cardinal fan, i’d say “gee willikers , i sure wish we wouldn’t pitch to that slightly rotund man ”

    i think someone put valium in their water supply :)

  15. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    blake-

    take a shower , put on a clean t shirt, and put one foot in front of the other.

  16. yankinvegas October 29th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Drill him

  17. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    “What Wacha should do is pitch around him. I think Wacha can win a game 6.. I just really don’t think the Cards can take two in Fenway.”

    the good thing about wacha is he doesn’t even know what pressure is. this whole thing will hit him later. you don’t do what he does so young, but he’s doing it.

    he could beat them at fenway.

    anything could happen in a game 7.

  18. yankinvegas October 29th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Why are these writers even intimating that Ortiz will wind up in HoF? Why are the Red Sox protected?
    Do you really think that MLB would review a rule if the Yankees were the team that lost a WS game because of it? Not as long as their is air in Bud Selig’s lungs.

  19. mick October 29th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    ortiz looks like bonds did the year they would walk him intentionally with the bases loaded.
    the HR’s are what gave it away back then.
    now when a player hits 50 he is questioned.

    there is no denying it, extraordinary performance is now tainted.

    as mccarver said last night, he is seeing the ball like a cantaloupe that has seams…

  20. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    ortiz has a bod foot or something.

    why wouldn’t an opposing pitcher make him move his feet.

    to me , one of the nastiest pitches from a right-hander is a hard slider in the dirt that chases the hitters ankle bone like a cruise missile.

    even if it doesn’t hit the hitter, the hitter is usually lying on their back in the dirt after awkward contortions trying to get out of the way.

    that’s a big thud hitting when ortiz lands on his back. richter scales readings will be set off.

  21. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    “I’ll give it a shot”

    blake -

    i just reread that.

    put the bourbon away :)

  22. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    shaunnessy really going after ortiz hard in the spring over possible steroid use.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/spo.....story.html

  23. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Good Morning.

    Slept in late for a change.

    :)

  24. 4TrainNorth October 29th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    There’s just no legal explanation for what Ortiz is doing. If it’s not steroids, then someone Is paying the cards’ pitchers to throw him meatballs. Does anyone know how testing works this time of year? I mean, can someone use like crazy with little chance of being tested?

  25. mick October 29th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    As long as it’s only one guy who is putting up cartoon-like numbers, some will say whatever.
    I guess we’re lucky the others who are cheating are doing it quietly…

    They know better than to draw attention, Congress could intervene again.

  26. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    Quoting McCarver is a DQ. He has also sighted Freese as being a good defensive player during this World Series, (which is the reason the Cards platooned Freese with a rookie down the stretch), while his Malaprop Greatest Hits in general remains endless. I can forgive his consistently confusing splitters with sliders as the peepers do dim with age, but his overall baseball acumen Is and Always has been absolutely abysmal.

  27. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    The Frickin’ Sux are on the verge of 3 rings in 10 yrs.

    :(

  28. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Maybe Randy the loud-mouthed hypocrite should FOR THE FIRST TIME talk about the Globe report that MLB half-stepped a steroid investigation at fenway.

    Not a peep about that from him or any of the other hypocrites here.

    Good for the Globe for putting it out there. What about it Austin? What about it Pat M? Let’s just keep pretending THAT doesn’t exist.

    If MLB allowed that at fenway, then MLB can also half-step testing, if testing is done at all at fenway. MLB can also give a heads-up when testing is being done.

    I don’t give a rat’s ass if people on this forum are happy to turn their heads to cheating. I won’t. Period.

  29. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    “randy – It was stupid pride. I get that guys like Wainwright believe in their stuff. If you’re a big league pitcher, you better. But stop with the measuring contest and get the job done. There’s no reason to pitch to him with that line up.”

    Wow. This is lunacy.

    It has nothing to do with pride, and everything to do with coaching.

    The team strategy should be to pitch around or intentionally walk Ortiz on each occasion, while hoping he gets himself out.

    That’s on the coaching, not pride or a fictional measuring contest.

  30. mick October 29th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    What I don’t get is how fans just dismiss it when it puts a taint on any baseball stat that is worth a damn. Baseball was always about numbers and reverence for the players that put them up.

    Today, many of the “greats” won’t even make it to the HOF.

    That might be a tough one to explain to your kids or grandkids some day.

  31. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    MTU October 29th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    The Frickin’ Sux are on the verge of 3 rings in 10 yrs.

    ———————

    Ugh, don’t even remind me. I blocked at least one of those out.

    I think Wacha can win tonight if he pitches with his head and not his manhood. Wainwright just couldn’t help himself.

  32. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    “The Frickin’ Sux are on the verge of 3 rings in 10 yrs.”

    We know that Manny tested positive for cheating. We know he was a big part of the 3-4 tandem in those WS.

    We also know that other Sux players on those teams were suspected of using – suspected by many others except perhaps Yankee fans in awe and refusing to believe anything without seeing blood tests.

    We also know that Ortiz was on the 2003 list and worried about an investigation going on with a Mets clubhouse person several years later because he bought “supplements” from the guy that he used in is milkshakes and wondered aloud to the press whether those supplements might have been tainted. But that was the end of that.

    Asterisks for 2004 and 2007. Another on is way if they pull this off.

    *************

    For those with the ability to count, it was more than THREE posters last night questioning the cheating of Ortiz. But because Randy the valiant said that Mariano had dinner with Ortiz, everyone needs to stop speculating immediately. Because Randy is the brains of this forum and he’s a god.

    LMAO!!!

  33. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I’d gladly trade Jeter, Tex, Aroid, Cano for Pig Sloppy and Pedroia. Those two are gold. Talk about HOFer’s. NYY won 1 WS in 13 years with vastly overpaid, under producers causing beer prices to rise to 50 bucks. I say god speed to Pedroia, a 10X better player than Can with Paul Oneil warrior heart.

  34. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Mariano was probably on something. Don’t be naive my dear.

  35. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    It has nothing to do with pride, and everything to do with coaching.

    ————————

    The guy on the mound has to make a choice. If you’re in a bad count, just walk him!

    I agree the coaches should make it clear to their staff that rule number one is you don’t let this guy beat you, but I know plenty of guys that simply say ‘when you go out there, you have to believe you can beat them and do it.’

  36. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    All you gotta do is look at the bottom 3 guys hitting in the Cardinal order. That will tell you ALL you need to know about this series.

  37. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Cardinals are finished. Pity, and just when they had their chance.

  38. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    anyone who’s watching from the sidelines who is afraid to jump in, don’t be.

    the phone harassments you may receive are no worse that what a slimy bill collector would do.

    as anyone can see, a whole bunch of us who get the phone calls and yes text messages are still posting .

    as for which side to take , look at what side is doing the name calling.

    this blog used to be cutting edge smart. i know you’re out there.
    jump back in.

  39. mick October 29th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Best we can hope for is a game 7.
    Wacha is the best hope they have and the sox could let down after taking 2 of 3.
    I take my chances in game 7 vs Peavey who seems to be a nervous wreck.
    Kelly is tough. That could be the shootout game.

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    And oh yeah – Austin, Pat M, and others in the disbelief club. Let’s pretend there was no public expose and questioning of Bucholz, Tazawa, and Lester for cheating. Let’s pretend that was nothing but a witch hunt. And if we’re man enough to admit it, let’s pretend that it’s no big deal because everyone does it. They just don’t have it mentioned in the press.

    :roll:

    And Randy, you nerdy hypocrite, we watch the game because we care about the game and honesty in the game. We don’t beg for our team to implode because we don’t like the way it’s being run.

    ***************

    Thank you to those Yankee fans who aren’t bowing and scraping over the “greatness” of this Sux team. Thanks to those who are open enough to look at the 2009 steroid fiasco at fenway and address it. To me, the rest are a joke.

  41. 4TrainNorth October 29th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    If Wacha wins tonight because he shut down the Sox, it will have to be considered one of the best pitching performances in the last decade.

  42. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    @DannyKnoblerCBS Last night was 11th postseason game team scored 3 or less and won. What happened to hitting (or is it the pitching?) http://cbsprt.co/16HOqLc

  43. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Aroid is going to collect his home run boni and laugh at all of the clowns buying overpriced tickets at the Bronx band box. Hey, Joe G. can manage the decline. Should be a barrel of laughs just like the good old days in the early 90′s. Maybe Andy Stankiewicz can suit up?

  44. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    “but I know plenty of guys that simply say ‘when you go out there, you have to believe you can beat them and do it.”

    I cannot argue with that. I, nor you, have any idea what the mindset of the Cardinals pitching staff is.

    The only thing that we both do know is that they have continued to pitch to him. That’s on the manager and pitching coach.

  45. mick October 29th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    What I don’t understand are how these great baseball minds say ignore the fact they are using.

    They are ruining the credibility of the game people.
    Literally destroying it and they sit back and watch with flippancy.

    No wonder Monday Night Football outdraws a World Series game.

  46. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “But because Randy the valiant said that Mariano had dinner with Ortiz,”

    How does Mariano having dinner with Ortiz impact the validity of Ortiz’ positive drug test?

  47. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    I’m not a fan of the Sux, but they are delivering big. Gap tooth is a monster with his 700 average. He’s unreal and I’d take Big Sloppy in a heartbeat over Aroid. At least Sloppy rises to the occasion and thrives on the pressure. Winnnnnnnerrr!

  48. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I wonder what kind of hook Wacha has tonight… I guess in these situations you need to be quick with everyone.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    If the Yankees were in the WS and three of their pitchers had been publicly accused of cheating by players and former players without any axe to grind, one of the pitchers in a game in the WS, it would be nonstop news and those players and Girardi would be grilled by the press daily.

    Keep praising the Sux organization and their greatness.

    Actually I’ll look at this WS the same as I did 2004 and 2007 if they win. Jack Daniels on the house, milkshakes all around, green goo in the pitching glove, another asterisk in the book. That actually is easier for me to take than a Sux team that might have won it fairly and squarely. The cheating ticks me off but it also causes me to see the potential win not as great but as tainted.

  50. mick October 29th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    I wonder if Shame Victorino plays tomorrow…

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    “How does Mariano having dinner with Ortiz impact the validity of Ortiz’ positive drug test?”

    Of course it doesn’t. I’m amazed that someone would actually throw that out there as evidence that Ortiz doesn’t cheat. Well, actually considering the person who did it, I take that back. Par for the course.

  52. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Shame, I think the game is tomorrow, not tonight.

  53. Tackelberry October 29th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Wacha won’t shut down the Sox tonight because there is no game tonight. Series resumes tommorrow night.

  54. mick October 29th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Hey, we live in today’s world of Extremes.
    It’s all been done before so we might as well go Extreme, right?
    It’s all the same but different, quite the mantra to live by…

  55. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Pedroia gets over hyped in large part due to his size. He ain’t Alomar, or Morgan, or even Cano. Hell, as a Mgr, I would even take Zobrist over Pedroia due to the versatility Zobrist would give me. Pedroia is certainly a “good” player, but I would hold up on the anointing ceremony.

  56. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    I cannot argue with that. I, nor you, have any idea what the mindset of the Cardinals pitching staff is.

    The only thing that we both do know is that they have continued to pitch to him. That’s on the manager and pitching coach.

    ——————-

    I thought at the start maybe they were pitching to him because he didn’t have the greatest series against the Tigers outside of that grand slam.. but he’s clearly swinging the bat well – there was no reason to pitch to him in the 1st last night.

    So we agree – I don’t care that it’s early, they should have made sure Wainwright didn’t throw to him.

  57. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Right!! Tomorrow, not tonight.. my typing got the better of me there.

  58. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Pedroia midget has the heart of a lion. At least he rises to the occasion. Damon was just like Pedey and Shrek, and the NYY got rid of him after an amazing WS…total incompetents.

    The Sux are the team of the 21st century. Certainly 3 world series rings trounces the Bronx mess. So sad.

  59. mick October 29th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Well, get back to the baseball talk or the cooking or recipe talk, whatever….have a good one.

  60. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    The thing that gets me about Hal and Comp, is that they got rid of Damon and Matsui in “09″ claiming they wanted to “get younger”, and here we are entering the 2014 season hearing the same tripe.

  61. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    The Steinbrenner’s need to sell the team while it’s value high at 3 billion plus. A serious organization needs to be built with the best scouts and infrastructure possible. A new owner, Billy Beane (aka Brad Pitt) and former obese boy could run the show.

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    mick – there are some of us here who have been very vocal about cheating and morality for a long time now, and not only about baseball. If I remember correctly, you and I were excoriated for calling out Joe Paterno in the Sandusky case. So you and I, along with some others here, are people who feel strongly about the straight and narrow. Not everybody does. That’s on them. But nobody is going to tell me to stop feeling that way and to stop calling out cheating. I don’t care if it’s been done for the last 5000 years. It doesn’t make it right, and it doesn’t mean it won’t be stopped at some point.

    And no matter how they feel about Ortiz and what they believe about his cheating, I call his defenders hypocrites for not uttering a peep about the 2009 steroid investigation. Not a peep. So I take their heroics with a huge grain of salt.

  63. Jerkface October 29th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    LOL wtf do not equate the coverup of child molestation with PEDs

  64. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “The thing that gets me about Hal and Comp, is that they got rid of Damon and Matsui in “09? claiming they wanted to “get younger”, and here we are entering the 2014 season hearing the same tripe.”

    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    So true. During the 2009 WS, everyone could literally see Damon and Matsui raise the level of their game to win and produce. The NYY gave Damon a fair deal and he was greedy and burned his bridge. That stupidity was on Damon. As far as Godzilla, he should have been give a contract.

  65. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Trisha-

    I am always suspicious of the anomalous.

    For example, the sudden rise of Bautista into a home run hitting star after years of obscurity.

    Or the relative same w Chris Davis.

    And of course, what Big Sloppy is doing at age 37.

    And do I like the thought of any of those things ?

    Absolutely not one bit.

    And do I suspect enhancement. Yup.

    ;)

  66. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    It’s really just entertainment trish so most could care less about the integrity of the game as long as it fills their viewing schedule.

    This thing should work its way out someday, until then might as well let it run its course.

    If Arod came back and hit 70 next year, would I take it…Yes.
    Does it make me a hypocrite? I guess…

    It still would hurt the game. Where do you draw the line?

  67. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Aroid needs to atone for his sins and say he visited the “aging clinic” during this winter and that would cover his 70 dingers next year.

  68. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    I will never understand the hatred for Joe Paterno.

    He made the mistake of turning a blind eye to the acts of Sandusky. However, when you’re Paterno’s age (at the time of the Sandusky acts), you’re set in your ways and likely unfamiliar with child molestation (child molestation wasn’t prevalent in his time).

    With the great work he did for the millions of students at Penn St and the millions of boys that he helped mold into respectable men, there should not have been witch hunt against him.

  69. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    “LOL wtf do not equate the coverup of child molestation with PEDs”

    Joe Paterno didn’t molest anyone.

  70. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    What does Sandusky have to do with MLB playoffs…? Everyone needs to chillax today before letting this spiral.

  71. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    As it is, Ortiz accomplishments in this series, will not be viewed with any credibilty or awe, not in my mind.

    That could be enough of a punishment to him, knowing that many believe him to be a fraud like Arod and the others.

  72. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    “Where do you draw the line ?”

    Easy. Right at where the rules say it should be.

    So either enforce the rules or make it so that everyone has a level playing field by allowing the substances in.

    ;)

  73. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Everyone needs to chillax today before letting this spiral.
    ============
    Why Shame?

  74. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    A “let it run it’s course” philosophy is BS. It’s akin to witnessing a rape, and then declaring, “boys will be boys”. You either Value what is being damaged or you do not.

  75. Shame Spencer October 29th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Everyone is waiting for a zombie to eat Carl…

    @myoder84 The Walking Dead beat both the World Series and SNF in the 18-49 demo Sunday night. http://bit.ly/17VSQ17

  76. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    So either enforce the rules or make it so that everyone has a level playing field by allowing the substances in.
    ==============
    Evidently it can’t be stopped.
    So the only punishment handed out to the “great” ones will be no HOF.
    Most don’t put up the numbers requisite to greatness so only the greats will go punished, if making millions is punishment.

  77. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    A “let it run it’s course” philosophy is BS. It’s akin to witnessing a rape, and then declaring, “boys will be boys”. You either Value what is being damaged or you do not.
    =====================
    What are you going to do about it?

  78. ronDL white October 29th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    You haven’t heard? Ortiz is a candidate for the HOF based on his heroic postseason career.

  79. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Zombies are huge today.
    A metaphor for our times?
    Try walking through a mall, you might get walked over by one, as their thumbs are busy texting away.

  80. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Mick-

    I don’t accept that it cannot be stopped if their is a will to do it.

    OTOH, if they are going to do a half-a*s job of trying to stop it they should just give up and level the playing field.

  81. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    OTOH, if they are going to do a half-a*s job of trying to stop it they should just give up and level the playing field.
    ——————————-
    They don’t care if they stop it or not MTU, you know that.
    They, like the players, are just looking at the bottom line.
    Money is ruining baseball…

  82. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    It’s kind of like Illegal Immigration to me.

    Most say they are against it but are the powers that be really ?

    Especially those who benefit from it ? From cheap labor ?

    So again, either enforce the existing laws or let it ride w amnesty.

    Another case of half-a*sing it.

  83. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    MTU – thank you for that input. I know how you feel about it, and coming from you that really does make me feel better about things.

    **********

    “LOL wtf do not equate the coverup of child molestation with PEDs”

    Not equating them at all. I’m saying that I have been extremely vocal about issues dealing with morality and cheating for a long time now, so nobody should expect that I’m not going to call this stuff out. Hell, I did it with Arod, I’m not going to do it with Ortiz, Buchholz, Tazawa and Lester?

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    “A “let it run it’s course” philosophy is BS. It’s akin to witnessing a rape, and then declaring, “boys will be boys”. You either Value what is being damaged or you do not.”

    Yes.

  85. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Mick-

    Then they should not pretend like they are because they aren’t fooling anyone but themselves.

    Everyone can see thru a phony effort.

    Money is fine. It’s the love of money that is ruining things.

    Been that way since the beginning.

    Some become addicted to it’s allure and don’t see it as a tool.

    They equate acquisition of money w power, and power w. control.

    And some desire control over others.

    ;)

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    mick – there were a number of penalties handed out recently, and not just to the great ones. It’s a step in the right direction.

    Also, we will see where the next commissioner stacks up on all of this stuff. That is an unknown at this point.

  87. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Letting it run its course is what is happening now.
    We can rail at it all we want but still watch the games.
    Turn it off then, don’t follow the Yanks anymore…

  88. mick October 29th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    MTU-Well said.

    Have to run but keep the talk going and this is baseball we are talking about, altho some might disagree,,,

  89. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Later Mick.

  90. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    I’m not looking at the cheating thing from a moral high-horse perspective but merely from a practical one of wanting to ensure fairness and a level playing field.

    Like Blake sometimes says, baseball needs to “pick a lane”.

    Not be riding down a yellow line that leads nowhere.

    ;)

  91. yankinvegas October 29th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    The problem is this :
    If ARod was doing this in the postseason, like he did in 2009, the press would look at it daily with a jaundiced eye and openly accuse him of cheating.
    With Ortiz, they say nothing.
    I don’t care about PED’s per se, but I want all players to be treated fairly. This perception of Ortiz as a nice guy is BS. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. How do the writers know? I’m sure that plenty of people think Alex is a good guy too. Unfortunately for him, none of them are media people.
    One of the biggest problems with baseball now, is that you don’t have to build a great team to win. In fact, the institution discourages the building of a great team and is more interested in stupid parity. That works in football which is a sport totally propped up by gambling and TV. Baseball is a game from the heart and dynasties are part of the game. Unfortunately, the present commissioner has never understood this and has done everything in his power to destroy the one team that strives hardest to achieve that greatness.
    Even more unfortunately, with the help of the stupid NY media, he has succeeded.

  92. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    Money and power starts at the top. Watch dear leader, when he leaves DC, and makes 100′s of millions of dollars. A true man of the people ;-0

  93. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Ortiz is a nice guy. During the WS game the other night, Ortiz jogged to try to get a foul ball and he fist pumped a fan. Aroid ignores fans. At least he’s a nice cheater and a very productive one that I’d take over Aroid in a heartbeat.

  94. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    You turn a blind eye to this, and you destroy the records that The Game is based on. Destroying the records, will destroy The Game over time.

  95. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Moral rules are especially dangerous when they are selectively applied.

    And more often than not they are.

    People in general (including myself of course) are so flawed that they can’t obey 10 simple rules for living.

    10.

    We struggle to comply and mostly fail.

    It has been that way for at least 2,000 yrs.

    ;)

  96. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    “And do I suspect enhancement. Yup.”

    MTU-

    since you are open minded with various anti aging approaches, i’ll bet you a breakfast burrito that you’d be one of the first to sign up for HGH supplements if it extended your life and more important your ability to hike :)

  97. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    I think I fail miserably just about every day.

    :(

  98. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I think I fail miserably just about every day.

    :(

  99. Melkmanisinhotlanta October 29th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    “People in general (including myself of course) are so flawed that they can’t obey 10 simple rules for living.”

    —————————————————————————————————————-

    Imagine being an over paid NYY like Jeter or Cano, the temptations must be infinite.

  100. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    I think I fail miserably just about every day.

    :(

  101. 4TrainNorth October 29th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    If Ortiz goes 0-for-something and doesn’t even get on base…will the Sox still win game 6?

  102. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Sorry about all those duplicate posts.

    Guess I wanted to be the 1st to admit my failures.

    :)

  103. DONNYBROOK October 29th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    A-Rod’s problem is instead of taking his medicine like a Man, he acts like Jimmy Hoffa taking the 5th in front of Congress.

  104. blake October 29th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I hope the Cards can force a game 7 but this almost feels inevitable at this point…..how sweet would it be though for the Sox to think they have this thing in the bag and then St. Louis rip it away

  105. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    i also still maintain that fans better pay attention to players they respect and watch how they handle
    the PED problem and suspected players.

    it’s a disconnect to idolize mariano rivera and then dismiss him being really good friends with ortiz.

    if anyone here thinks they know more about the game and the game’s morality that guys like jeter and rivera, they are so ridiculously full of themselves their opinions are irrelevant.

    it’s one thing to dismiss my experience in the game as an amateur who snuck in the back door of the pro game, but when you say as a fan you now as much about baseball as jeter or rivera, you’re just plain full of crap.

    rivera and jeter are who i look to to help with the judgements. they are the ones who were hurt by PEDS. they are the one with grass and dirt in their cleats. they know, we don’t.

  106. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Randy-

    I am certainly not against HGH in a private non-competitive context.

    Having studied some biology in College I worry about the potential consequences.

    As I do about using anything that powerful.

    If it is under a Physician’s care I am more OK w it.

    The long term consequences are what might concern me the most.

    I am sure there have been studies done both pro and con.

  107. blake October 29th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    I wish Tex would take PEDs…..either he’d play better or he’d get suspended. Win/ win

  108. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    “how sweet would it be though for the Sox to think they have this thing in the bag and then St. Louis rip it away”

    blake-

    kind of like putting a milkshake in from of ortiz and then snatching it away when he starts salivating.

    hey , just because i’m defending ortiz here doesn’t mean i don’t see the humor in the situation :)

  109. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Randy-

    I always respect your direct experience.

    I know nothing whatsoever about any of that.

    zero.

    It’s why I enjoy the stories that you and Pat M. bring to the blog.

    It’s a window into a hidden realm.

    I really appreciate you sharing it.

    :)

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    “You turn a blind eye to this, and you destroy the records that The Game is based on. Destroying the records, will destroy The Game over time.”

    ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. So many of the records are now questioned as being legitimate anyway. More on their way. It really destroys the fiber and credibility of the game. So sad.

    “Moral rules are especially dangerous when they are selectively applied.”

    Yes they are. Equally dangerous, if not moreso, when they are ignored altogether.

    It’s a cop out to say they cannot be followed and adhered to. It’s the lazy man’s way of doing business, or the cheater’s way.

  111. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Same was true of SJ.

  112. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Trisha-

    I fall flat on my face so often maybe I should just give up trying.

    It’s a good thing forgiveness is always at hand.

    :)

  113. blake October 29th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    MTU,
    Your friend cooked those ribs and brisket yet ?

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    How utterly utterly stupid to suggest that the way Mariano and Jeter treat different players is any indication of whether or not those players have cheated the game. We KNOW Arod has cheated the game, and they treat him fine.

    The entire Brewer’s team came out in support of Ryan Braun AFTER he recently admitted using steroids.

    Now I know Randy knows nothing about anything and is total fluff. End of that story.

  115. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Blake-

    Not yet.

    He is going away for a little while.

    He’ll take care of it when he gets back.

    He said that the brisket is going to be the challenge.

    I said don’t worry whatever you come up with will be OK, and way better than anything I could do.

    The ribs will be much easier.

    I’ll let you know how they turn out.

    :)

  116. trisha - true pinstriped blue October 29th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    MTU – if you willingly cheat then you are no better than the guys we’re talking about.

    I can say that easily because I know you don’t do it.

    :)

    Later.

  117. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I don’t even play ball and their is sometimes a little black cloud that seems to follow me around.

    Must be a result of all my imperfections.

    I hate it when chickens come home to roost w/o even asking 1st.

    :)

  118. blake October 29th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    MTU,
    Sounds good !

  119. blake October 29th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    What’s the hold up with this Arod stuff….. Make a ruling already …

  120. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Trisha-

    I cheated on tests occasionally when I was a grade schooler.

    Does that count ?

    :(

  121. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    My Father had absolutely no tolerance for lying and or cheating.

    He was a truant officer.

    I rarely missed school, and when I deviated from the straight and narrow and he caught wind of it.

    Uh oh.

    I never was a very good liar anyway. Still not good at it.

    I am thankful to this day for the discipline because I surely needed it.

    I know I would have been worse.

    ;)

  122. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Blake-

    Wish I could share some with you instead of just having to tell you about it.

    :)

  123. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Though imperfect God allows me to do his bidding and capture his magnificence.

    I will prove it right here and now :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/TheColorBowl?authkey=Gv1sRgCKGt3_Ha7YiJjwE#

    :)

  124. blake October 29th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    MTU

    Me too!

  125. jacksquat October 29th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Oh sure, they want *this* to be speedy. What a farce.

    Please Hal, bump the payroll up to 350 mil and make Bud have a heart attack.

  126. MTU October 29th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    There is a new one ——>

  127. joeman October 29th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    how would the NYY fans on this blog judge Ortiz if he played for the NYY

  128. randy l. October 29th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    MTU-

    my experience is that players react to different players differently. jose cruz was treated very differently than joaquin andujar was by players.

    ron leflore was treated differently than al oliver.

    one time i said to chicken willie our clubhouse guy, who had been around since the beginning of time, that it wasn’t right that no one trusted ron leflore in the locker room . ron seemed like a nice guy to me. chicken played in the negro leagues and towed around a giant BBQ barrel/ trailer that he used to make the clubhouse spread. willie was from texas. chicken was also the long time chicago white sox clubhouse guy.

    anyway chicken said ” are you crazy, i lock everything up in here. he would steal everything is if wasn’t locked down”.

    al oliver commanded everyone’s respect. players don’t rally around players if they’re not worthy of it.
    for some reason david ortiz gets respect from players around the league. that’s not me . that’s major league players.


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